I agree with you on baptism. But I wanted to let you know that there are hundreds and hundreds of different churches of christ. Some are werid wacko like the Church Preacher Norm is apart of and there are others who are not like that at all! I am a member of the Hills Church of Christ. Our beliefs are nothing like the beliefs of Preacher Norm. For one, we believe that all christians (catholic, methodist, baptist, etc) are of one body. We are all the Church.
The Church of Christ has nothing to do whatsoever with the Mormons. They are not a cult and while you quote one scripture and try to pick it apart, Preacher Norm uses many scriptures. Mark 16:16, Acts 22:16, 1 Peter 3:21. How do you explain these?
@1melissarose Preacher norm is only following the teachings of alexander campbell, is he not ? these are not preacher norms teachings they are those of the restoration movement . everyone one is saved by GRACE through FAITH.
To say that god needs water to give his salvation
Christ is the Living water his spirit
tell you what if you can find any scripture were people were not baptised and recieved the holy spirit leave the church. study, dont you want to be inline with gods word
@1melissarose Preacher Norm asked me to invite you to go to his page and pick out any video and make a comment. He said he is willing to debate you on any of them. I will be praying for you.
@1melissarose Betcha he won't do it, debate that is. Correctly applying script will cause many not to debate, so he probably won't. You gave script & no response MM, I wonder y not. The bible the word or God can stand up to any person applying it incorrectly/falsely as this man is. Many say the churches of Christ follow Campbell doctrine, but no 1 has yet 2 tell me of any new doctrine used by churches of Christ, not in NT Campbells' started.
44While Peter was still saying these things, the Holy Spirit fell on all who heard the word. 45And the believers from among the circumcised who had come with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit was poured out even on the Gentiles.
god does whatever he likes. people can just hear the word of god and have receive remission of sins sorry.
@DOESTHEBIBLESAYTHAT When was the last time u saw some1 baptz w/HS w/o an APOSTLE around? N all NT examp of HS baptism it is always visible to those present. As n Acts 10 all in the hse SAW that Cornelius' hshld was HS baptized. God nevr prom this measure of Baptsm to us 2day. This is to prove 2 Jew Gent were now excptle a fullfilmnt of Jn 10:15-17, Isa. This act is 1 of 3 xample of HS bapt 4 a reason which no longr xist 2day. God is no respectr of persns all 2day hav 2 come 2 Him same way.
@DOESTHEBIBLESAYTHAT If it is not nec 4 salvti then I choose not to get baptzd. it's my choice can I still inherit he kngdm/God? R U dble talking sayng it's not nec then saying u should do it. If I am already save havig not been baptzd en I don't want 2b. R U baptzd unto remsn/sin or 4 is it baptsm that puts 1 N2 Christ? If it is my choice & as U say is not essential 2 salvation what if I DON'T WANT 2B baptized.U sound like I have a choice. Not being baptz is my choice will I still make heaven?
@DOESTHEBIBLESAYTHAT U did not answer my question I chose ( U say it's not essential 2 my salvatn) I don't want 2b baptized. If Christ comnds it then y do u say it is not essntl. Make up your mind, it is or isn't. Y should I be baptized if belief is all that gets me 2 heaven I don't want 2 do no more/less than I have 2 to get there. U r talking over yourself, so what again is the argument u have with Preachernorm? Sounds like u r now saying I have 2 be baptized r u the author of confusion?
@DOESTHEBIBLESAYTHAT show me 1 person n the bible that was saved this way. Just 1. On day of Pente Acts 2, if all they had 2 do was believe that Christ died, y then did Peter keep preaching if they were saved because all they needed was faith. Is it not faith when they asked v37 Men/bro what must we do y does Peter N v41 say save ur self if they r already saved? U can't even be added 2 the church b4 baptsm v41. Next u will say u don't have 2 be added 2 the church.
@DOESTHEBIBLESAYTHAT u can't b savd like the thief r u on a cross next 2 JC? R U undr the OT? U mis-quote abt the Phil jailer, u must hear words faith comes by hearing, was the jailer not bapt he was not saved b4 baptsm where is ur proof. Belief does not equal salvatn, every NT ex of conversn all that heard the Word were bapt none were saved b4 baptsm. Act 10 again is a fulfilmnt of a prophecy & was for the benefit of the Jews as previously stated. No where N the bible is faith alone enuff.
@6153calme Mormans JW's roman catholics church of christ all deny that we are saved by grace through faith but the catholics dont misinterpret words like faith
if you aren saved by grace through faith your not saved you cant earn your salvation it is a free gift not of works or anything else nobody in the bible has been saved by works simply because you believe in your heart you are saved everyone in he entire bible was saved this way if its not so the thief wasnt saved
@DOESTHEBIBLESAYTHAT Why do you keep comparing the church of Christ to Mormons? We have nothing to do with Mormons and we are nothing like them. They are not a branch off of our church nor are we a branch off of theirs. If you do not want to debate preacher Norm that is ok with me. I was just relaying the message. 1 Peter 3:15 "But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts, and always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you, with meekness and fear;"
@DOESTHEBIBLESAYTHAT 1 Peter3:21 "There is an antitype which now saves us- baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ." If God's own word will not convince you, I am done throwing my pearls before swine, but I will continue to pray for you.
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shellbell289 1 year ago
I agree with you on baptism. But I wanted to let you know that there are hundreds and hundreds of different churches of christ. Some are werid wacko like the Church Preacher Norm is apart of and there are others who are not like that at all! I am a member of the Hills Church of Christ. Our beliefs are nothing like the beliefs of Preacher Norm. For one, we believe that all christians (catholic, methodist, baptist, etc) are of one body. We are all the Church.
shellbell289 1 year ago
The Church of Christ has nothing to do whatsoever with the Mormons. They are not a cult and while you quote one scripture and try to pick it apart, Preacher Norm uses many scriptures. Mark 16:16, Acts 22:16, 1 Peter 3:21. How do you explain these?
1melissarose 1 year ago
@1melissarose Preacher norm is only following the teachings of alexander campbell, is he not ? these are not preacher norms teachings they are those of the restoration movement . everyone one is saved by GRACE through FAITH.
To say that god needs water to give his salvation
Christ is the Living water his spirit
tell you what if you can find any scripture were people were not baptised and recieved the holy spirit leave the church. study, dont you want to be inline with gods word
DOESTHEBIBLESAYTHAT 1 year ago
@DOESTHEBIBLESAYTHAT I have given you scripture you have not answered my question. I am in line with God's word.
1melissarose 1 year ago
@1melissarose Preacher Norm asked me to invite you to go to his page and pick out any video and make a comment. He said he is willing to debate you on any of them. I will be praying for you.
1melissarose 1 year ago
@1melissarose Betcha he won't do it, debate that is. Correctly applying script will cause many not to debate, so he probably won't. You gave script & no response MM, I wonder y not. The bible the word or God can stand up to any person applying it incorrectly/falsely as this man is. Many say the churches of Christ follow Campbell doctrine, but no 1 has yet 2 tell me of any new doctrine used by churches of Christ, not in NT Campbells' started.
6153calme 1 year ago
@6153calme ACTS 10
44While Peter was still saying these things, the Holy Spirit fell on all who heard the word. 45And the believers from among the circumcised who had come with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit was poured out even on the Gentiles.
god does whatever he likes. people can just hear the word of god and have receive remission of sins sorry.
DOESTHEBIBLESAYTHAT 1 year ago
@DOESTHEBIBLESAYTHAT When was the last time u saw some1 baptz w/HS w/o an APOSTLE around? N all NT examp of HS baptism it is always visible to those present. As n Acts 10 all in the hse SAW that Cornelius' hshld was HS baptized. God nevr prom this measure of Baptsm to us 2day. This is to prove 2 Jew Gent were now excptle a fullfilmnt of Jn 10:15-17, Isa. This act is 1 of 3 xample of HS bapt 4 a reason which no longr xist 2day. God is no respectr of persns all 2day hav 2 come 2 Him same way.
6153calme 1 year ago
@6153calme you are right.
1melissarose 1 year ago
@1melissarose Tell preacher norm to schedule and debate with a theologian. Iam no theologian
DOESTHEBIBLESAYTHAT 1 year ago
@DOESTHEBIBLESAYTHAT If it is not nec 4 salvti then I choose not to get baptzd. it's my choice can I still inherit he kngdm/God? R U dble talking sayng it's not nec then saying u should do it. If I am already save havig not been baptzd en I don't want 2b. R U baptzd unto remsn/sin or 4 is it baptsm that puts 1 N2 Christ? If it is my choice & as U say is not essential 2 salvation what if I DON'T WANT 2B baptized.U sound like I have a choice. Not being baptz is my choice will I still make heaven?
6153calme 1 year ago
@6153calme YOU GET BAPTIZED BECAUSE CHRIST COMMANDS US TO AND WE ARE TO OBEY
WE DO IT IN FAITH
JUST LIKE WHEN GOD INSTRUCTED THEM TO LOOK ON THE MOLTEN SERPENT IF THEY WERE BITTIN AND THEY WOULD BE HEALED
THEY WERE HEALED BY FAITH
DOESTHEBIBLESAYTHAT 1 year ago
@DOESTHEBIBLESAYTHAT U did not answer my question I chose ( U say it's not essential 2 my salvatn) I don't want 2b baptized. If Christ comnds it then y do u say it is not essntl. Make up your mind, it is or isn't. Y should I be baptized if belief is all that gets me 2 heaven I don't want 2 do no more/less than I have 2 to get there. U r talking over yourself, so what again is the argument u have with Preachernorm? Sounds like u r now saying I have 2 be baptized r u the author of confusion?
6153calme 1 year ago
@6153calme WERE ARE SAVED BY FAITH
BAPTISM IS SIMPLY FAITH IN ACTION.
Romans 4:10
How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.
ONCE YOU TELL SOMEONE THAT CHRIST DIED FOR THEM AND THEY BELIVE THEY ARE SAVED ON THE SPOT ONCE THEY HAVE ACCEPTED THE FREE GIFT.
JOHN 3:16
AND BAPTISM IS AFTER IT DOES NOT SAVE JUST LIKE WE ARE TO WALK IN THE SPIRIT AFTER THE ACCEPTANCE AND THE HOLY SPIRIT CONVICTS US
DOESTHEBIBLESAYTHAT 1 year ago
@DOESTHEBIBLESAYTHAT show me 1 person n the bible that was saved this way. Just 1. On day of Pente Acts 2, if all they had 2 do was believe that Christ died, y then did Peter keep preaching if they were saved because all they needed was faith. Is it not faith when they asked v37 Men/bro what must we do y does Peter N v41 say save ur self if they r already saved? U can't even be added 2 the church b4 baptsm v41. Next u will say u don't have 2 be added 2 the church.
6153calme 1 year ago
@6153calme it happened didnt it.
just like the thief .
and the phillipian jailer
you see the bible is the truth sir.
by the works of the law or HEARING by faith
you also believe in works salvation, sorry thats not biblical either
DOESTHEBIBLESAYTHAT 1 year ago
@DOESTHEBIBLESAYTHAT u can't b savd like the thief r u on a cross next 2 JC? R U undr the OT? U mis-quote abt the Phil jailer, u must hear words faith comes by hearing, was the jailer not bapt he was not saved b4 baptsm where is ur proof. Belief does not equal salvatn, every NT ex of conversn all that heard the Word were bapt none were saved b4 baptsm. Act 10 again is a fulfilmnt of a prophecy & was for the benefit of the Jews as previously stated. No where N the bible is faith alone enuff.
6153calme 1 year ago
@6153calme Mormans JW's roman catholics church of christ all deny that we are saved by grace through faith but the catholics dont misinterpret words like faith
if you aren saved by grace through faith your not saved you cant earn your salvation it is a free gift not of works or anything else nobody in the bible has been saved by works simply because you believe in your heart you are saved everyone in he entire bible was saved this way if its not so the thief wasnt saved
DOESTHEBIBLESAYTHAT 1 year ago
@1melissarose CHURCH OF CHRIST ARE MORMONS IN SHEEPS CLOTHING
DOESTHEBIBLESAYTHAT 1 year ago
@1melissarose IF BAPTISM IS NESSASARY THEN IT IS NOT A FREE GIFT
Romans 9:32
Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
DOESTHEBIBLESAYTHAT 1 year ago
@DOESTHEBIBLESAYTHAT Why do you keep comparing the church of Christ to Mormons? We have nothing to do with Mormons and we are nothing like them. They are not a branch off of our church nor are we a branch off of theirs. If you do not want to debate preacher Norm that is ok with me. I was just relaying the message. 1 Peter 3:15 "But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts, and always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you, with meekness and fear;"
1melissarose 1 year ago
@DOESTHEBIBLESAYTHAT 1 Peter3:21 "There is an antitype which now saves us- baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ." If God's own word will not convince you, I am done throwing my pearls before swine, but I will continue to pray for you.
1melissarose 1 year ago