This scene was a lot more emotional during its PS1 heyday but the GameCube version voice actors didn't put much effort or emotion in their parts for this game..don't get me wrong it was a good remake but WON'T EVER BE AS GOOD AS THE ORIGINAL
Wow, I'd have to say that the original version was so much better, the way the music tied in right when Otacon showed up set the emotional pull way more than this one.
Really people, I looked at both versions and they're all good. Sure in the Gamecube version you'll see extra cutscenes, gameplay from MGS2, but the god damn story is the same. This is for people who don't have MGS1, which is I do. This is my VERY FIRST MGS game in the series and it was amazing. I missed out because I play NIntendo mostly, I picked it up and it was a good game. Even both versions were amazing. Sure you'll see Snake dodge bullets but whatever, it's the same story!
@NEMESIS1191 Yea, in the first Metal Gear Solid for PS1, the theme chosen for Sniper Wolf's death scene was called "Enclosure." I'm kind of upset that it didn't make it on Twin Snake's.
Both the music and the dialogue was better in the original IMO. Wolf's reply to why she didn't kill Meryl was much more badass in the original, and Enclosure is just too good of a track to overlook for this scene.
Unrelatedly, anyone else find it kinda sad that Wolf ignores Otacon altogether in this scene? Poor dude had his heart broken and all she did was tell him to hand her her rifle.
Actually, as someone who has played the original and TTS numerous times, I think I prefer this one. Looking back, the music was a bit out of place and not really necessary. "Enclosure" and "The Best is Yet to Come" are great songs, but the first sounded more like background music and not something that was edited to fit the emotion of the moment. As for what "yeahadoomhouse" said, only the music is different, really. The atmosphere? Same. The cinematography? It's way better in the remake.
alot of good deaths in mgs. elisas is good to. but i think this is the best one but i nearly lost it when E.E died in mgs 2 not when she died but after when otacon is alone with the parrot. heartbreaking stuff
This scene isnt even half as good as it is in the original. Without the background music, it has no power at all. The ¨If we make it through this¨ line is one of the best lines, and this version does it no justice whatsoever.
i always knew what snake was saying get a head start on a new life he means if someone dies in your life go on a new path and dont go giving up on people almost like what meryl said
Otacon freaking sprained his ankle like a few hours ago, he should not still be limping. Everything they change about this scene in this version is worse. There's no swelling "The Best Is Yet To Come," and the pacing is drawn out way too slowly, and some of Wolf's lines feel insincere compared to the original. *sigh*
You ever had a bad sprain before? You think your fine for a bit, but Otacon let his emotion's hit him and he pushed his body too far. I would know what a bad sprain is, i had to deal with it in the service. However i do too think they could have made this better, cut-scene wise was slightly improved, and game-play wise was the same for me.
this is the best cutscene gaming will ever see. I'm terrified that the new mgs will be a Raiden-only title. They need to make a remake of mgs1 for the ps3 and maybe even remake the old metal gears. That would complete the series in my opinion. Everyone wants to see more of Solid Snake!!!
i admit solid snakes missions are limited to that but they can still make the bigboss mgs games like they are in peacewalker, there will still be more after that aswell
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This scene was way too overdramatic, she was a fuckin psychopath, just let her fuckin die already.. and i hate how snake randomly blurts out unneeded information and corny lines.
Twin Snakes is cooler than the PSX version. But the scenes go by too fast, they should be a lot slower. Most of the strongest emotions aren't there anymore because of that. :(
You've got to be kidding me. For one, Twin Snakes' cutscenes are all nearly twice as long as the PSX versions. For another, the emotions aren't there anymore in the Twin Snakes version BECAUSE they take so long! They put in all these shots without dialogue that aren't in the PSX that drag these scenes out way too much.
WTH?!?!? Snake was super shallow to him in the PS version! now he's all encouraging him????
I honestly think the scene before and after the fight is wayy better in the gamecube version. and I liked how they included the wolves. everything else is pretty crappy
I wanted the original audio too, that is until I saw the TTS in Japanese. They used the original audio, and it did NOT go as well as you think. Maybe if they fit the scenes with the audio....
I like some of the remake, Cam Clarke did an extraordinary job here, but voices like Paul Eiding couldve put in a little more effort. Or at the very least, not sound rushed. <_<
Still, as we ALL know, the best scene in the game was when Ocelot dropped his gun. :P
A response to silver boards message. Do remember Hitlers so called master race with the blonde etc they were called Aryans the Muslim decent has more Aryran in the blood stream then any other race. That wasnt a racist attack :P. Btw great vid original is a lot better I thinks :D
naomi had teh cancer. actually she killed herself cuz she had cancer but the nano-machines kept her alive but then she took this like uhh syringe that repressed nano machined or something. SEE im smart i got the storline.
A lot of the changes made in this version were due to the fact that they had more tech power to work with. The music was toned down in this version so that the visuals could carry the scene - PS1 visuals could not achieve the same kind of cinematic intensity that the GCN hardware permitted. It's a decidedly different approach to the scene, but I wouldn't necessarily call it "worse".
Its not just about the music, theres no feeling at all, its so bland, the PS1 version, fair enough it didnt have the graphics but the actors, script music it made the scene, big whoop if the graphics look good, its no good if theres no audio to go with it, they turned a perfectly brilliant scene into crap and for what? why not just change the graphics? why change the audio aswel? the entire game was ruined.
I think the remake gets excessive on everything. It's a great game experience, but the cutscenes are way too big. This one, for example, is much better in the original version. The same happens whit Fox's death, that uses too mucho bullet time. Just an opinion.
But in the original game, he had enough time to cure his twisted ankle. Why could he do the same thing here? Because the remakers just decided to bully him, that's why.
Irrelevant. This isn't real. It's a story. It's a little more than life. Besides. We wouldn't be quite as introspective without it. You want to go and shoot people and have them die properly, join the military.
Till then, maintain a slightly more holistic view of the world.
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Just shut up and die god damn it. When people die they don't get a farewell speech unless they're dying of cancer or some sort of shot to the abdomen. In most cases they choke on their own blood or slowly leak pus and blood out of their own bodies. Enough with this beautifyl battlefield garbage and I don;t have any tears left to shed. This is such a romantic and overplayed cliche of a scene. She was an enemy and he did what he had to do. Thats all their is to it.
Is that it? Just a shallow person who stands in snake's way? Why are you unwilling to see the value of plot, backstory. An explanation for why she is the way she is. It's all part of what makes her a 3 dimentional character, and if you don't like depth, interesting characters or character development then Metal Gear Solid series are not the right series for nerds like you who only care about technicalities. Get a freakin life, then you might understand the value of her telling her own story.
Thanks for trying to discredit me instead of my statement. I think you've proven exactly how mature and open minded you are. If you want character development either reveal it before or after the character dies of a bullet wound. Sniper wolf delivering her own obituary while choking on vital fluids is more than a little ridiculous and one of largest defects the metal gear franchise suffers from is being excessively outlandish. Every death is overplayed and every villain gets a tragic monologue
And by the way people are always giving the offering the explanation "well its fiction, gawd its not all suppose to be real" as an excuse as to why its okay for a work of art to suck. How can you hail a work as genius without being critical? Have you ever heard the expression artists use lies to tell the truth (watch v for vendetta). The circumstances and characters should be fictional but what makes a story an artistic success is how accurately human emotions and interactions are portrayed.
Theres nothing beautiful about the battlefield. Theres nothing beautiful about death. If you've ever seen a person die and you haven't sugarcoated your understanding of death with the false promise of an afterlife you'll be able to realize that. Once the heart stops beating and the brain shuts down the person you knew no longer exists. All thats left is a hunk of slowly decaying flesh and whatever physical and psychological impacts that person left on you and the world while living.
I think your 3 paragraph veer off from MGS to *atheism* of all things easily proves the point of the original poster. It seems obvious that you don't have an appreciation for the style of character depth that MGS has been delivering since it began, and that's fine. But it is what it is. It's not trying to be dark and nihilistic, and failing at it. It acknowledges that war is ugly, and shows how its characters deal with that and themselves. And as you can see among the comments, it succeeds.
Sniper Wolf is actually my favorite foxhound member from MGS1, because of the character development and how deep of a character she was. What makes this scene (and game) so powerful is how it draws you into all the characters. Snake didn't want to kill Wolf, and I don't think Wolf really wanted to kill Snake, but thats what you do when you're enemies. And the last moments of her life reflected the respect that two dogs of war, real soldiers rather than cold blood killers, held for eachother.
Oh my god this scene totally ruined the original's version!! Otacon, in the remake, is more hilarious and stupid than the Otacon from Metal Gear Awesome 2! And thats a bad thing in every way! Otacon was only ''crippled'' for ONE little scene when he talks to Snake after the battle with Fox and THATS IT! Here he's limping in every scene he appears in minus the codec calls obviously.
otacon is SUPPOSED to be comedy relief, he's a stereotypical nerd in every way!
I GOT INTO SCIENCE BECAUSE OF ANIME. JAPAN JAPAN JAPAN. UNIX. ALSO SNIPER WOLF WAS NICE TO ME AND SHES A GIRL THEREFORE SHE MUST BE IN LOVE WITH ME. *pisses himself* THIS IS JUST LIKE ONE OF MY JAPANESE ANIMES.
um no, otacon is NOT supposed to be comic relief, that's what johnny is for! in the original ps1 version of mgs and in mgs2 did otacon do ANYTHING that was funny or clumsy? no, he didnt(well i guess he did in some of the easter egg codec calls in mgs2 and pissing his pants in mgs1) but other than that he just provided snake with information and was an important(and bad ass) character
kojima's whole style of directing revolves around juxtaposing drama and comedy, and parody plays a big part in that. Otacon is a parody of western anime lovers and nerds in general. the joke was just far more subtle in the original mgs.
"kojima's whole style of directing revolves around juxtaposing drama and comedy, and parody plays a big part in that." Where exactly did you read this information from? Is this your assumption?
No, Otacon is comic relief. But unlike Johnny, he's a serious character in addition to that. He's one of my favorite characters in the entire Metal Gear saga.
Wolf is awesome. I have come to that conclusion by watching her death scene, which is a little sad.
"Why?!" Damn, Otacon. Way to make it all sadder. But a part of me was waiting for him to call or make an appearance. I can't believe they had him trip there too.
Seriously, the lack of the original music ruined it for me. . . especially when Otacon first shows up and you would hear that gealic "La ah tee la ah an graa" X-( the music set the tone and emotion.
And the final gunshot was rather weak. . .
But the adding of the wolves I think was a nice touch.
Correct that's the theme. . . I bought the soundtrack, but the music I hear the most is "Enclosure" when Snake and Wolf are alone. Then beginning of "The Best Is Yet to Come" plays. . . Both are sorely missed here *cry* :-((
the original characters sounded like shit-nastasha for example she sounded like a fuckin wanna-be Russian the only voices i miss are gray foxes and naomi's
i liked the old voices mgs1 holds a place in my heart as like one of my favorite games of all time the original voices were alot better in my opinion and i still choose the original over the remake becuase i like the old graphics for nostalgia
Apart from graphically enhanced, they ruined this part of the game in the remake. Where's the original soundtrack for the love of? i'll have to make a version with the new video and old audio.
@yummydango yea,me too but i still like the twin snakes but original is better in some things
NEMESIS1191 2 days ago
This scene was a lot more emotional during its PS1 heyday but the GameCube version voice actors didn't put much effort or emotion in their parts for this game..don't get me wrong it was a good remake but WON'T EVER BE AS GOOD AS THE ORIGINAL
Bable012 1 week ago
Otacon: NOOOO!
Snake: She's dead.
Otacon: *okay face*
MGS2
Emma dies
Otacon: *okay face*
I think by The 7th game he came to accept his status as Forever Alone.
LOLwafflesPRODUCTION 2 months ago
This scene is sooooo sad... She was my favorite.
..she was using a PSG1.. That gun costs $7000!!!
057gnb3316sef6 4 months ago
Wow, I'd have to say that the original version was so much better, the way the music tied in right when Otacon showed up set the emotional pull way more than this one.
XoXBremenDruid 4 months ago
@XoXBremenDruid
i believe the voice over of wolf was much more emotional too in the original, this just sounds like a fast past of dialogues
3906812 1 month ago
9 people don't know what they are fighting for.
vittau 5 months ago
Really people, I looked at both versions and they're all good. Sure in the Gamecube version you'll see extra cutscenes, gameplay from MGS2, but the god damn story is the same. This is for people who don't have MGS1, which is I do. This is my VERY FIRST MGS game in the series and it was amazing. I missed out because I play NIntendo mostly, I picked it up and it was a good game. Even both versions were amazing. Sure you'll see Snake dodge bullets but whatever, it's the same story!
TomX356 8 months ago
@TomX356 he dodged a bullet in MGS2 too so snake dodging bullets isnt the twin snakes exclusive thing
NEMESIS1191 1 week ago
5:58 He quotes Zero
XxGuardianKnightxX 8 months ago
I know this is supposed to be sad, but I laughed when Otacon tripped.
zingodoom 8 months ago
What the fuck happened to the original theme?
yummydango 9 months ago
@yummydango ...the soundtrack changed?
NEMESIS1191 1 week ago
@NEMESIS1191 Yea, in the first Metal Gear Solid for PS1, the theme chosen for Sniper Wolf's death scene was called "Enclosure." I'm kind of upset that it didn't make it on Twin Snake's.
yummydango 2 days ago
Otacon is such a pussy -_-
MolesMakeHoles 10 months ago
When I got to this part, my mum thought that Otacon's "I loved you" line was directed to Snake.
RevolverSka 11 months ago
The theme of this part on the first Metal Gear Solid was the best!
Maurens128 1 year ago
Gay. Anime. Shit.
VaterOrlaag 1 year ago
This scene owns.
RoadDogXVIII 1 year ago
the wolfs are howling means they crying because sniper is dying how sad =(
cs9hikari 1 year ago
best line ever from otacon in this game at 5:48
JitandChuck 1 year ago 3
Both the music and the dialogue was better in the original IMO. Wolf's reply to why she didn't kill Meryl was much more badass in the original, and Enclosure is just too good of a track to overlook for this scene.
Unrelatedly, anyone else find it kinda sad that Wolf ignores Otacon altogether in this scene? Poor dude had his heart broken and all she did was tell him to hand her her rifle.
Lin117 1 year ago
hey how dare u call him a nerd
gsby300 1 year ago
Actually, as someone who has played the original and TTS numerous times, I think I prefer this one. Looking back, the music was a bit out of place and not really necessary. "Enclosure" and "The Best is Yet to Come" are great songs, but the first sounded more like background music and not something that was edited to fit the emotion of the moment. As for what "yeahadoomhouse" said, only the music is different, really. The atmosphere? Same. The cinematography? It's way better in the remake.
frymastermeat 1 year ago
Without the music, atmosphere, and cinematography of the original, this scene is garbage.
yeahadoomhouse 1 year ago
alot of good deaths in mgs. elisas is good to. but i think this is the best one but i nearly lost it when E.E died in mgs 2 not when she died but after when otacon is alone with the parrot. heartbreaking stuff
spookyelectrik 2 years ago
This scene isnt even half as good as it is in the original. Without the background music, it has no power at all. The ¨If we make it through this¨ line is one of the best lines, and this version does it no justice whatsoever.
DirkDiggler1611 2 years ago 7
The voice acting in this one is not as good as the original. Not to mention the movement of the characters. Nahhh, I still prefer the PSOne version.
djsotos 2 years ago 2
some sad shit for a video game
roycegracie11 2 years ago
i always knew what snake was saying get a head start on a new life he means if someone dies in your life go on a new path and dont go giving up on people almost like what meryl said
starwolf53 2 years ago
yup
ZarlaSheenaza 2 years ago
The bit where otacon asks snake what he's fighting for sounds so amazing as a flashback on MGS4 it just fits the scene so well
bigbear1293 2 years ago
Otacon freaking sprained his ankle like a few hours ago, he should not still be limping. Everything they change about this scene in this version is worse. There's no swelling "The Best Is Yet To Come," and the pacing is drawn out way too slowly, and some of Wolf's lines feel insincere compared to the original. *sigh*
MrAyzt 2 years ago
You ever had a bad sprain before? You think your fine for a bit, but Otacon let his emotion's hit him and he pushed his body too far. I would know what a bad sprain is, i had to deal with it in the service. However i do too think they could have made this better, cut-scene wise was slightly improved, and game-play wise was the same for me.
mtdewramen 2 years ago
Fair enough about the sprain, but in the original, he gets over it a lot more quickly.
The graphics improved, but the artistic direction got severely worse.
MrAyzt 2 years ago
i think in Twin snakes they changed it so that the ninja spilts snakes shot and half of the round goes into Otacons leg if im not mistaken.
tikasou 2 years ago
this is the best cutscene gaming will ever see. I'm terrified that the new mgs will be a Raiden-only title. They need to make a remake of mgs1 for the ps3 and maybe even remake the old metal gears. That would complete the series in my opinion. Everyone wants to see more of Solid Snake!!!
jasonchenette 2 years ago
Solid Snake already fulfilled his last job.
filipeflower 2 years ago
i admit solid snakes missions are limited to that but they can still make the bigboss mgs games like they are in peacewalker, there will still be more after that aswell
dan333onlyhalfevil 2 years ago
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This scene was way too overdramatic, she was a fuckin psychopath, just let her fuckin die already.. and i hate how snake randomly blurts out unneeded information and corny lines.
bud389 2 years ago
i hate it when she dies :(
sirwinsalot 2 years ago 15
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20andnotfun 2 years ago
This is my favorite scene of the entire game. It is a real turning point of the story for Otacon. You see him grow up in this scene.
scarmullet 2 years ago 5
Man, I love Otacon.
johnnymonroe7373 2 years ago
Twin Snakes is cooler than the PSX version. But the scenes go by too fast, they should be a lot slower. Most of the strongest emotions aren't there anymore because of that. :(
Lecrie 2 years ago
Wait... are you saying that this iincredibly dragged on death scene is LONGER in the PSX version?!!?!
bud389 2 years ago
yer, check it out, I recommend it.
Lecrie 2 years ago
You've got to be kidding me. For one, Twin Snakes' cutscenes are all nearly twice as long as the PSX versions. For another, the emotions aren't there anymore in the Twin Snakes version BECAUSE they take so long! They put in all these shots without dialogue that aren't in the PSX that drag these scenes out way too much.
MrAyzt 2 years ago
But Wolf'sdeath is not the end of the game.
toto0213 2 years ago
octacon was an octaku freak with triple thick glasses
SniperScopeSE7EN 2 years ago
Poor Otacon. :<
BlackHaiyate 2 years ago
Your all way to critical on the remake. Do you know David Hayter himself reunited as much of the voice cast as he could for this game.
LtSarge 3 years ago
LtSarge, thank you for stating the obvious, but it still doesn't proove anything.
filipeflower 2 years ago
Yes the "enclosure" was far better than that
Sephiroth391 3 years ago 2
i second that but they fucked it up with this music.
sirwinsalot 2 years ago
Ps1 versions better!
nath1266 3 years ago 4
Its slower paced so it can be more emotional, and it's more difficult. I would recommend the Twin Snakes for noobs of the series.
scarmullet 2 years ago
Not for noobs, scarmullet.
filipeflower 2 years ago
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skylyss101123abc 2 years ago
Otocon makes me lol so hard.
WTH?!?!? Snake was super shallow to him in the PS version! now he's all encouraging him????
I honestly think the scene before and after the fight is wayy better in the gamecube version. and I liked how they included the wolves. everything else is pretty crappy
hikarimoogle 3 years ago
this is crappy, the music sucks, the best is the one in the ps1, music, crappy graphics, but i fel sadder the one in the ps1 than this 1
OdinVonAlexander 3 years ago
"We might not meet again" hahahaha, sure, Snake ;)
TigerYoshiki 3 years ago
What Happened To Otacons Leg? I Only Played The First Level Of MGS1 So Idk.
12alph4 3 years ago
He twisted his ankle.
CCrockyourass 3 years ago
But in the original 'Metal Gear Solid', his ankle was cured, before the end of the game.
filipeflower 3 years ago
I want to give Otacon a hug now... ;.;
kurocookiez13 3 years ago 4
the original's so much better for voice acting. still touching though, best thing about snake is that he understands peoples emotions.
Heavymullet 3 years ago
there's always an enemy you don't want to kill...its like that sometimes.
Sketchillusionz 3 years ago 21
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lolololol omg so funny
at 1:15 she looks like the joker from the new batman
hahahahah
dom3rocked 3 years ago
I wanted the original audio too, that is until I saw the TTS in Japanese. They used the original audio, and it did NOT go as well as you think. Maybe if they fit the scenes with the audio....
I like some of the remake, Cam Clarke did an extraordinary job here, but voices like Paul Eiding couldve put in a little more effort. Or at the very least, not sound rushed. <_<
Still, as we ALL know, the best scene in the game was when Ocelot dropped his gun. :P
Annil8terxb 3 years ago
Annil8terxb, why do you think that was the best scene?
filipeflower 3 years ago
Wolf didnt even care when Otacon said "i loved you" XD
xheartlessx3 3 years ago
This scene is perhaps the most moving scene I've seen in MGS:TTS. Basically, because Snake kills her when she asks.
bubmario 3 years ago
I like the remake's graphics. But I wished they kept the original Audio.... It was way more touching....
boredguy 3 years ago 5
the better grahics make all the other characters look wierd
pacostacos112 3 years ago
it sound so bad 1*
GoZu1991 3 years ago
To.
698qwerty 3 years ago
Damn Otacon! She tried yo kill Snake!
698qwerty 3 years ago
Notice how wide and scary-looking her eyes were?
Mmmzombies27 3 years ago 2
This is different music from the origional isnt it?
ElJefe89 3 years ago
(In King Of The Hill style)
Yep...
Mmmzombies27 3 years ago
Everytime I play through this game this scene always brings me to tears.
lukaspukas1 3 years ago 4
Even though I've played through this game before, just now I got a little scared when Wolf said who are you because of her eyes.
lukaspukas1 3 years ago
A response to silver boards message. Do remember Hitlers so called master race with the blonde etc they were called Aryans the Muslim decent has more Aryran in the blood stream then any other race. That wasnt a racist attack :P. Btw great vid original is a lot better I thinks :D
Gray010 3 years ago 3
Horrible remake.
Guard4Product 3 years ago
It's true some aspects of this game sucked but other than the "questionable" cinematography and most of the voicework, this is a decent remake imo.
lukaspukas1 3 years ago
T-T
valoandlovesaidno666 3 years ago
I really dislike the soundtrack of this version. They should have stuck with Enclousre from the orininal soundtrack.
smokinhearts89 3 years ago 4
otacon is always heart broken...=(
pnoyguitar 3 years ago 2
the same thing happens in mgs4
pabuza 3 years ago
yup
pnoyguitar 3 years ago
sometimes u think the game designers are bitches.
pabuza 3 years ago 2
naomi had teh cancer. actually she killed herself cuz she had cancer but the nano-machines kept her alive but then she took this like uhh syringe that repressed nano machined or something. SEE im smart i got the storline.
reggiebush10895JKJK 3 years ago
i dont get how sniper wolf is of muslim descent when shes white with blonde hair something i never got
silverboard04 3 years ago
possibly part Russian too.
shinrugal 3 years ago
Kurds are more often than not with light hair and eyes.
obscura813 3 years ago
Why was the rifle lying so far away from her? Its not like she moved or something...
BakasRvivor 3 years ago
I guess Otacon moved it.
filipeflower 3 years ago
lol at 2:48
sosgiw 3 years ago
lol *trot trot* *fall* waht happens if the gun went off? xD
Elmoworld99 3 years ago
KABLAMMO!!! XD
BakasRvivor 3 years ago
HAHAHAHA Otacon is a classic.
Otacon: i loved you.... Now i will never get another girlfriend again!!
lol.
Crazyfrankie666 3 years ago
But he'll try
Oh he'll try ; ;
TGSean 3 years ago 2
A lot of the changes made in this version were due to the fact that they had more tech power to work with. The music was toned down in this version so that the visuals could carry the scene - PS1 visuals could not achieve the same kind of cinematic intensity that the GCN hardware permitted. It's a decidedly different approach to the scene, but I wouldn't necessarily call it "worse".
gatotsu911 3 years ago
Its not just about the music, theres no feeling at all, its so bland, the PS1 version, fair enough it didnt have the graphics but the actors, script music it made the scene, big whoop if the graphics look good, its no good if theres no audio to go with it, they turned a perfectly brilliant scene into crap and for what? why not just change the graphics? why change the audio aswel? the entire game was ruined.
scotty2707 3 years ago
gatotsu911 ,the music in this remade version wasn't "toned down", it was actually replaced.
filipeflower 3 years ago
leave 'em alone guys, he'll never get the feeling until he plays the game himself. Hail to the MGS and all the 'dogs of war" in it!!
7hollows 3 years ago
Both the original game and the remade game have the "dogs of war" thing in it.
filipeflower 3 years ago
Wheres the music? The music is what made this scene so great in the original. Im glad i didnt bother with the remake.
greenfury87 3 years ago 2
I think the remake gets excessive on everything. It's a great game experience, but the cutscenes are way too big. This one, for example, is much better in the original version. The same happens whit Fox's death, that uses too mucho bullet time. Just an opinion.
ProSaiyan 3 years ago 5
wait, whats wrong with otacon's leg?
GreetingsFromFinland 3 years ago 3
If I recall correctly, he got hit with a bullet that Snake fired at Cyborg Ninja.
This is definitely one of the best scenes in the game.
gatotsu911 3 years ago
He diddn't got hit by that bullet! Look again and learn the real truth, before you invent lies!
filipeflower 3 years ago
Ummmmmm... I said, "If I recall." I haven't played the game in a while, so I'm by no means declaring my recollections to be entirely accurate.
gatotsu911 3 years ago
I hope you acknowledge that.
filipeflower 3 years ago
...I just did.
gatotsu911 3 years ago
Good.
filipeflower 3 years ago
Cool.
gatotsu911 3 years ago
he twisted his anckle retards
Ganolink 3 years ago
I know that.
filipeflower 3 years ago
i need one more remake of this game i dont know why i just need one more.
dannysangha 3 years ago
Otacon fell because his right leg is bust up.
nightwishfan60 3 years ago
But in the original game, he had enough time to cure his twisted ankle. Why could he do the same thing here? Because the remakers just decided to bully him, that's why.
filipeflower 3 years ago
lol
naruto1zak1 3 years ago 2
totally no feeling in this version, its such a let down, i'm so glad i made the other version!
scotty2707 3 years ago 2
Irrelevant. This isn't real. It's a story. It's a little more than life. Besides. We wouldn't be quite as introspective without it. You want to go and shoot people and have them die properly, join the military.
Till then, maintain a slightly more holistic view of the world.
harlequin2262 3 years ago
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Just shut up and die god damn it. When people die they don't get a farewell speech unless they're dying of cancer or some sort of shot to the abdomen. In most cases they choke on their own blood or slowly leak pus and blood out of their own bodies. Enough with this beautifyl battlefield garbage and I don;t have any tears left to shed. This is such a romantic and overplayed cliche of a scene. She was an enemy and he did what he had to do. Thats all their is to it.
jp216purkis 3 years ago
Is that it? Just a shallow person who stands in snake's way? Why are you unwilling to see the value of plot, backstory. An explanation for why she is the way she is. It's all part of what makes her a 3 dimentional character, and if you don't like depth, interesting characters or character development then Metal Gear Solid series are not the right series for nerds like you who only care about technicalities. Get a freakin life, then you might understand the value of her telling her own story.
Willldragon 3 years ago 4
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Thanks for trying to discredit me instead of my statement. I think you've proven exactly how mature and open minded you are. If you want character development either reveal it before or after the character dies of a bullet wound. Sniper wolf delivering her own obituary while choking on vital fluids is more than a little ridiculous and one of largest defects the metal gear franchise suffers from is being excessively outlandish. Every death is overplayed and every villain gets a tragic monologue
jp216purkis 3 years ago
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And by the way people are always giving the offering the explanation "well its fiction, gawd its not all suppose to be real" as an excuse as to why its okay for a work of art to suck. How can you hail a work as genius without being critical? Have you ever heard the expression artists use lies to tell the truth (watch v for vendetta). The circumstances and characters should be fictional but what makes a story an artistic success is how accurately human emotions and interactions are portrayed.
jp216purkis 3 years ago
Theres nothing beautiful about the battlefield. Theres nothing beautiful about death. If you've ever seen a person die and you haven't sugarcoated your understanding of death with the false promise of an afterlife you'll be able to realize that. Once the heart stops beating and the brain shuts down the person you knew no longer exists. All thats left is a hunk of slowly decaying flesh and whatever physical and psychological impacts that person left on you and the world while living.
jp216purkis 3 years ago
I think your 3 paragraph veer off from MGS to *atheism* of all things easily proves the point of the original poster. It seems obvious that you don't have an appreciation for the style of character depth that MGS has been delivering since it began, and that's fine. But it is what it is. It's not trying to be dark and nihilistic, and failing at it. It acknowledges that war is ugly, and shows how its characters deal with that and themselves. And as you can see among the comments, it succeeds.
TGSean 3 years ago 7
Sniper Wolf is actually my favorite foxhound member from MGS1, because of the character development and how deep of a character she was. What makes this scene (and game) so powerful is how it draws you into all the characters. Snake didn't want to kill Wolf, and I don't think Wolf really wanted to kill Snake, but thats what you do when you're enemies. And the last moments of her life reflected the respect that two dogs of war, real soldiers rather than cold blood killers, held for eachother.
ssjgeon 3 years ago 4
And besides that, ssjgeon, Sniper Wolf was under Liquid Snake's orders.
filipeflower 3 years ago
like wtf....
xeniast 3 years ago
they should've had the enclosure song on here
chewyourfingers 3 years ago
yeah that's right! it was more dramatic!
by the way: did they overworked mgs1 for ps2 or what this version is for???
1atsuchan24 3 years ago
This is Twin Snakes, the remake of the PS1 game for the Gamecube.
ChaoticSerenity 3 years ago
oh i see
thx ^^
1atsuchan24 3 years ago
Otacon is always annoying.. yet he's useful for the pointless yet useful things >=(
DragonofDeath4 3 years ago
Oh my god this scene totally ruined the original's version!! Otacon, in the remake, is more hilarious and stupid than the Otacon from Metal Gear Awesome 2! And thats a bad thing in every way! Otacon was only ''crippled'' for ONE little scene when he talks to Snake after the battle with Fox and THATS IT! Here he's limping in every scene he appears in minus the codec calls obviously.
Zepp900 3 years ago
otacon is SUPPOSED to be comedy relief, he's a stereotypical nerd in every way!
I GOT INTO SCIENCE BECAUSE OF ANIME. JAPAN JAPAN JAPAN. UNIX. ALSO SNIPER WOLF WAS NICE TO ME AND SHES A GIRL THEREFORE SHE MUST BE IN LOVE WITH ME. *pisses himself* THIS IS JUST LIKE ONE OF MY JAPANESE ANIMES.
Chef033 3 years ago
um no, otacon is NOT supposed to be comic relief, that's what johnny is for! in the original ps1 version of mgs and in mgs2 did otacon do ANYTHING that was funny or clumsy? no, he didnt(well i guess he did in some of the easter egg codec calls in mgs2 and pissing his pants in mgs1) but other than that he just provided snake with information and was an important(and bad ass) character
AndyCOBHC 3 years ago 2
kojima's whole style of directing revolves around juxtaposing drama and comedy, and parody plays a big part in that. Otacon is a parody of western anime lovers and nerds in general. the joke was just far more subtle in the original mgs.
Chef033 3 years ago
"kojima's whole style of directing revolves around juxtaposing drama and comedy, and parody plays a big part in that." Where exactly did you read this information from? Is this your assumption?
filipeflower 3 years ago
You can't have a character piss himself shortly after his introduction and still be called a bad ass.
moozeditty 3 years ago
i can and will
he's badass cuz he's willing to sacrifice himself so snake and meryl can escape at the end of the game
AndyCOBHC 3 years ago
No, Otacon is comic relief. But unlike Johnny, he's a serious character in addition to that. He's one of my favorite characters in the entire Metal Gear saga.
gatotsu911 3 years ago
Otacon shouldn't be considered "comic relief".
filipeflower 3 years ago
HAHAHAHAHA Otacon is a bitch. Now he man up after a while. Damn Solid Snake did in Wolf just like Boss was did in by Naked Snake.
Dflowen 3 years ago
Wolf is awesome. I have come to that conclusion by watching her death scene, which is a little sad.
"Why?!" Damn, Otacon. Way to make it all sadder. But a part of me was waiting for him to call or make an appearance. I can't believe they had him trip there too.
"I'll tell you."
"...okay!" Snerk.
DarkAngelKisses13th 3 years ago
I bet the creators of this remake enjoyed making fun of Otacon by making him acting like a bigger looser than the one you saw in the original game.
filipeflower 3 years ago
LOL
*what am i fighting for D:?*
*what was she fighting for D:?*
*what r u fighting for D':?*
*if we make it through this ill tell u!*
*OK :) ill be searching too!!!! =]!!LALALA*
that part was so funneh
BigUndertaker 3 years ago
Seriously, the lack of the original music ruined it for me. . . especially when Otacon first shows up and you would hear that gealic "La ah tee la ah an graa" X-( the music set the tone and emotion.
And the final gunshot was rather weak. . .
But the adding of the wolves I think was a nice touch.
BlueFox284 3 years ago
That music is called "The Best Is Yet To Come".
filipeflower 3 years ago
Correct that's the theme. . . I bought the soundtrack, but the music I hear the most is "Enclosure" when Snake and Wolf are alone. Then beginning of "The Best Is Yet to Come" plays. . . Both are sorely missed here *cry* :-((
BlueFox284 3 years ago
I vote for the original.... that one brings tears to my eyes...
Dextomus 3 years ago 2
man that qoute. i dont have anymore tears to shed. so dramatic.
jackevil0 3 years ago
Is it me, or is that tears in Snakes voice?
Bobbyhewett 3 years ago
i like this scene its allot sadder than it was on ps1
chaz84720 3 years ago
well i also think nothing beats the classic mgs1 and i dont like how all the wolves in the twin snakes look down-syndrome
chaz84720 3 years ago 3
fatality
Daibron 3 years ago
Oh god, they made Otacon even gayer in TTS.. original was better and had better voice work. This one sounded kind of without effort in my opinion.
Apart from the better graphics, the original is still the best.
Pwn3r 3 years ago
I agree, the remake doesn't even have the "Wolf dies" theme. -_-
That theme was the whole point to this whole scene...
Galenskapt 3 years ago
the original characters sounded like shit-nastasha for example she sounded like a fuckin wanna-be Russian the only voices i miss are gray foxes and naomi's
chaz84720 3 years ago
i liked the old voices mgs1 holds a place in my heart as like one of my favorite games of all time the original voices were alot better in my opinion and i still choose the original over the remake becuase i like the old graphics for nostalgia
darkdrag187 3 years ago 2
yeah actually the only voice i didn't like was nastasha's voice cause she sounded like a wanna-be russian
chaz84720 3 years ago
Apart from graphically enhanced, they ruined this part of the game in the remake. Where's the original soundtrack for the love of? i'll have to make a version with the new video and old audio.
scotty2707 3 years ago
this is too sad T_T :P
SNAKEgokuVERGIL 3 years ago
3:50 LOL I pretended the wolves transltions were "DINNER!!!!"
pugwishbone17 3 years ago
oh thats fucked up
chaz84720 3 years ago
no pugwishbone17 they were howling "otacon is never gonna get laid now"
chaz84720 3 years ago
chaz84720 ,who qualified you as a wolf-dog speaker?
filipeflower 3 years ago
haha i was just joking so dont get your ass hurt about it
chaz84720 3 years ago
i was just joking so fuck off who ever thought that was a bade comment
chaz84720 3 years ago
I was joking too.
filipeflower 3 years ago
oh well that was just a joke wolfs death is almost as sad as the boss's death
chaz84720 3 years ago
No, The Boss is one of those Women with a capital "W".
filipeflower 3 years ago
capitol W?
chaz84720 3 years ago