@TheLittleDonkey ....the faith of Abraham in the goodness of God, and the faith of Isaac in not only his father who could have killed him but in the Lord to provide the sacrifice. Here is why God tested Abraham: Would Abraham obey God when he could not see all circumstances and still trust in Him, or would he refuse and doubt the Lord? What James refers to btw is in reference to God leading others to sin, which is against His character. Nice try at proving God's cruelty and hate anyway.
@TheLittleDonkey ....that the LORD would first of all not order him to do something that was wrong and so was clearly testing him, and second, that the Lord had promised him that in Isaac would be the chosen seed (Genesis 21:12, Romans 9:7). As the book of Hebrews later relates, Abraham believed that God would raise up Isaac from the dead, (Hebrews 11:19) even before any resurrection were being talked of. What should be amazing to us as the readers is the faithfulness of God...
@TheLittleDonkey I think you're mistaken in what you are assuming about Abraham in what he told Isaac. Nowhere does the account say that Abraham "tricked" his son Isaac into thinking he was just going to worship God. What after all does "worship" mean but to offer up something to God. What he told his son was that God would provide the ram in the stead of Isaac. This he said, not because he saw the ram in thicket at that time, but he had complete faith in the LORD....
well in fact this is the book of moses, basis for judaism. christianity used the same god to declare the prophecies of ezekiel of a savior to come(ambiguous language) so christianity shows a god that doesnt speak to humans no more exept through prophets or angels or a jesus that never claimed himself to be a the son of god. bible refers to him as son of man. but liek charles manson techniques jesus leads to beleive the sheeps or followers that he is the annointed. although his messages is peace
Genesis is fiction:Most bible colleges teach it`s allegory:As an example, there are 106 schools in the Christian College Coalition. Of those 106 only 5 teach a literal interpretation of the Genesis account of creation or that the flood was global & the flood prevailed the highest peak
An evil God would let Isaac kill his son, but he didnt showing then that He is a God who does not wishes this things, The fatherhas such a strong faith that he told the servants that they both would come back, showing then his belieave that God will rise Isacc from the death if nesesarry to fulfill his promess of a Saviour though him.
@TheLittleDonkey Yea, notice the son is save and woman is killed ... interesting since the bible call woman property, like a goat or chair. And Jephthah's daugther is no different.
@Ncxoxo Are you kidding me ? You take a knife and convince your child you are going to kill them, see if that does not to so psychological damage. What you need to do, is stop making excuses for the bull shit, and THINK things out
God did not tempted Abraham. he was proving him. Abraham went though a lot of sort of tests, that made HIm a man of Faith, but he wasnt perfect. In this case, Abraham is going to be obedient, and its going to offer Isaac, this is a very special "test" though since its going agaist what God had told him, that the Saviour would come from Isasc, and because God wasnt like pagan gods that wanted human sacrifice, still Abraham obeyed God and thats how he "pasted the test" for to say.
@Ncxoxo Proved what? that he could get someone to kill their own child ? Again, stop making excuses for this bull shit and actually think it out for a change. Dont say you have, you are only parroting what the preachers say, so clearly you have not. The story is sick and good thing it never actually happened.
@Dudex58 Come on I am begging you to you use your brain for a change, clearly the story is bull shit and even so the story is SICK ... trying to read some great moral lesson into it is even more sick.
all I got to say is a great quote whatever, can tell a deaf fool a secret, can't talk when a person shouts over u already with there convictions, can't make people see, who u know, nor can they believe the stories that u told, but u know it is true and thats all that matters to u.
Again, lets review my statement, I said that it is wrong to read a myth,& then having read it, totally 4get the fundamentals, U wouldn't say the fairy in pinochio was bad cuz she made his long nose when he lied. Or that little bo peep lost her sheep.Or the hen who didn't give any bread cuz no1 helped her. Like I am saying atheist r getting the fundamentals wrong there4 if God lets sumthing 2the body & the spirit is eternal. Than why r people sad or mad about the body?
@Dudex58 In reviewing your statement .... your religion is as muuch a fairy tale as the ones you mock. Just not as entertaining and the moral message in yours is pretyy shitty as well. So, you are still a dumb ass theist.
So why does an atheist try an to make a christian look dumb. When he or she replies, so who cares about this life, I'll get a better 1 ion heaven. Isn't it an oximoron 2 try 2 unconvinced some1, and u all using mortality as a way 2 influence, when we don't care of mortality, because we believe in a new life after this = immortality.
@Dudex58 Well one does not have to make a christian look stupid, you all do that pretty well on your own. And it does matter, because your kind are imposing yourt bull shit on us all through legislation. Other wise you moron could beleive what ever you want, but the fact is your kind is actively forcing your none sence on us. Oh and as for heaven HA HA HA HA no such thing idiot
I did not say any1 who was an atheist is dumb, unlike yourself who already judges with prejudice, I said and I quote myself again, that u can not debate or argue or de-swayed some1 from a belief, when u r starting off with the mythology wrong.
Again we believe in spirits, therefore the thing u r most mad about death, is not reason enough to stop our belief.
Mocking someone is no way to win a debate, or a good way of persuasion.
@Dudex58 I do not give a shit if you say atheist are dumb or not ... it does not change the fact that you believe in talking snakes and Jewish zombies.There is nothing to debate, when it comes to Christians. Your religion is bull shit, your arguments are cherry picking none sense and the morality of your religion is a vile set of idiotic bull shit ideologies. You can fool your self into thinking there is a debate, but the fact is christians are stupid. Sorry, that is a fact
@TheLittleDonkey ....the faith of Abraham in the goodness of God, and the faith of Isaac in not only his father who could have killed him but in the Lord to provide the sacrifice. Here is why God tested Abraham: Would Abraham obey God when he could not see all circumstances and still trust in Him, or would he refuse and doubt the Lord? What James refers to btw is in reference to God leading others to sin, which is against His character. Nice try at proving God's cruelty and hate anyway.
Man4God4eva 1 month ago
@Man4God4eva I guess that you think that blind obedience is a bad thing in all other cases except with regard to JHV, Correct?
TheLittleDonkey 1 month ago
@TheLittleDonkey ....that the LORD would first of all not order him to do something that was wrong and so was clearly testing him, and second, that the Lord had promised him that in Isaac would be the chosen seed (Genesis 21:12, Romans 9:7). As the book of Hebrews later relates, Abraham believed that God would raise up Isaac from the dead, (Hebrews 11:19) even before any resurrection were being talked of. What should be amazing to us as the readers is the faithfulness of God...
Man4God4eva 1 month ago
@TheLittleDonkey I think you're mistaken in what you are assuming about Abraham in what he told Isaac. Nowhere does the account say that Abraham "tricked" his son Isaac into thinking he was just going to worship God. What after all does "worship" mean but to offer up something to God. What he told his son was that God would provide the ram in the stead of Isaac. This he said, not because he saw the ram in thicket at that time, but he had complete faith in the LORD....
Man4God4eva 1 month ago
well in fact this is the book of moses, basis for judaism. christianity used the same god to declare the prophecies of ezekiel of a savior to come(ambiguous language) so christianity shows a god that doesnt speak to humans no more exept through prophets or angels or a jesus that never claimed himself to be a the son of god. bible refers to him as son of man. but liek charles manson techniques jesus leads to beleive the sheeps or followers that he is the annointed. although his messages is peace
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Genesis is fiction:Most bible colleges teach it`s allegory:As an example, there are 106 schools in the Christian College Coalition. Of those 106 only 5 teach a literal interpretation of the Genesis account of creation or that the flood was global & the flood prevailed the highest peak
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Ncxoxo 2 years ago
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Ncxoxo 2 years ago
An evil God would let Isaac kill his son, but he didnt showing then that He is a God who does not wishes this things, The fatherhas such a strong faith that he told the servants that they both would come back, showing then his belieave that God will rise Isacc from the death if nesesarry to fulfill his promess of a Saviour though him.
Ncxoxo 2 years ago
So, you are saying that God is evil then? Look to Judges 11 where God let Jephthah kill his daughter in pretty much the same manner.
TheLittleDonkey 2 years ago
@TheLittleDonkey Yea, notice the son is save and woman is killed ... interesting since the bible call woman property, like a goat or chair. And Jephthah's daugther is no different.
givingmantoo 1 year ago
@Ncxoxo Are you kidding me ? You take a knife and convince your child you are going to kill them, see if that does not to so psychological damage. What you need to do, is stop making excuses for the bull shit, and THINK things out
givingmantoo 1 year ago
God did not tempted Abraham. he was proving him. Abraham went though a lot of sort of tests, that made HIm a man of Faith, but he wasnt perfect. In this case, Abraham is going to be obedient, and its going to offer Isaac, this is a very special "test" though since its going agaist what God had told him, that the Saviour would come from Isasc, and because God wasnt like pagan gods that wanted human sacrifice, still Abraham obeyed God and thats how he "pasted the test" for to say.
Ncxoxo 2 years ago
@Ncxoxo Proved what? that he could get someone to kill their own child ? Again, stop making excuses for this bull shit and actually think it out for a change. Dont say you have, you are only parroting what the preachers say, so clearly you have not. The story is sick and good thing it never actually happened.
givingmantoo 1 year ago
No he knew but he wanted the action of Abraham. Because action is love, it is not a sentiment.
Dudex58 2 years ago
its like predistined and fate,your will has to be strong enough to change it
Dudex58 2 years ago
I don't understand what you are saying.
TheLittleDonkey 2 years ago
Just because something is in your heart, doesn't mean its there in action.Look at marriage.
Dudex58 2 years ago
Are you saying that God didn't know how Abraham would act?
TheLittleDonkey 2 years ago
@Dudex58 Come on I am begging you to you use your brain for a change, clearly the story is bull shit and even so the story is SICK ... trying to read some great moral lesson into it is even more sick.
givingmantoo 1 year ago
all I got to say is a great quote whatever, can tell a deaf fool a secret, can't talk when a person shouts over u already with there convictions, can't make people see, who u know, nor can they believe the stories that u told, but u know it is true and thats all that matters to u.
Dudex58 1 year ago
@Dudex58 OK so the dude who believs in talking snakes is calling someone else a fool LOL yea ... what matters are facts not fairy tales
givingmantoo 1 year ago
Again, lets review my statement, I said that it is wrong to read a myth,& then having read it, totally 4get the fundamentals, U wouldn't say the fairy in pinochio was bad cuz she made his long nose when he lied. Or that little bo peep lost her sheep.Or the hen who didn't give any bread cuz no1 helped her. Like I am saying atheist r getting the fundamentals wrong there4 if God lets sumthing 2the body & the spirit is eternal. Than why r people sad or mad about the body?
Dudex58 1 year ago
@Dudex58 In reviewing your statement .... your religion is as muuch a fairy tale as the ones you mock. Just not as entertaining and the moral message in yours is pretyy shitty as well. So, you are still a dumb ass theist.
givingmantoo 1 year ago
So why does an atheist try an to make a christian look dumb. When he or she replies, so who cares about this life, I'll get a better 1 ion heaven. Isn't it an oximoron 2 try 2 unconvinced some1, and u all using mortality as a way 2 influence, when we don't care of mortality, because we believe in a new life after this = immortality.
Dudex58 1 year ago
@Dudex58 Well one does not have to make a christian look stupid, you all do that pretty well on your own. And it does matter, because your kind are imposing yourt bull shit on us all through legislation. Other wise you moron could beleive what ever you want, but the fact is your kind is actively forcing your none sence on us. Oh and as for heaven HA HA HA HA no such thing idiot
givingmantoo 1 year ago
@givingmantoo
I did not say any1 who was an atheist is dumb, unlike yourself who already judges with prejudice, I said and I quote myself again, that u can not debate or argue or de-swayed some1 from a belief, when u r starting off with the mythology wrong.
Again we believe in spirits, therefore the thing u r most mad about death, is not reason enough to stop our belief.
Mocking someone is no way to win a debate, or a good way of persuasion.
Dudex58 1 year ago
@Dudex58 I do not give a shit if you say atheist are dumb or not ... it does not change the fact that you believe in talking snakes and Jewish zombies.There is nothing to debate, when it comes to Christians. Your religion is bull shit, your arguments are cherry picking none sense and the morality of your religion is a vile set of idiotic bull shit ideologies. You can fool your self into thinking there is a debate, but the fact is christians are stupid. Sorry, that is a fact
givingmantoo 1 year ago