Aristotle versus Nietzsche

[unholyimage]

Nice "to live and die in LA" reference.

[BandofSorensons]

Aristotle would put Nietzsche away with his finisher, "the law of non-contradiction", which is a modified, painful looking version of a full-nelson. 

[Eldritchfan]

A duel is more than two quotes.

[StevenErnest]

@Eldritchfan Says you.

[kingofarsenal11]

This reminds me very much so of Nietzsche's aphorism 29 in Beyond Good and Evil: "It is the business of the very few to be independent; it is the privilege of the strong. And whoever attempts it, even with the best right, but without being OBLIGED to do so, proves that he is probably not only strong, but also daring beyond measure."

[lovecraftianbeatles]

I would never think of promoting Ayn Rand in such a manner as quoting that monster of a human being.

[StevenErnest]

@lovecraftianbeatles  I dislike Rand's "philosophy" but I wouldn't call her a monster.

[1Mafioso4]

Nietzsche FTW

[bahramf]

Nietzsche does this all the time. I love it. I wish I knew how to make videos like this. May I quote from "The Gay Science".

Nietzsche vs. Luther

129 The conditions for God. - 'God himself cannot exist without wise people', said Luther, and with good reason; but 'God can exist even less without unwise people' - that our dear Luther did not say!

[SensusHumani]

I'm not sure where the conflict is. Are you asking which one is right and which one is wrong?

“You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.” -Nietzsche

[StevenErnest]

@SensusHumani Why are you assuming I'm suggesting a binary either/or answer? I just thought it was interesting to see how Nietzsche commented on Aristotle's statement. I used the words, "versus" and "dueling" simply for fun.

That's a wonderful Nietzsche quote! Thanks for commenting. ^_^

[SensusHumani]

@StevenErnest I stand corrected. I did assume you were wondering which was correct.

It is an interesting thought. To me, the philosopher is somewhere between a beast and a god. He is self aware and free of moral duty. Those that have no awareness of themselves or their lives are no higher than common sheep. Those that live forever are gods. I've yet to meet a god. I leave the door open but I'm pessimistic about ever meeting one. So, by deduction, humans are either beasts or Philos.

[coolstuffplus]

"nietzsche" is when you create your own "right" and "wrong"

[Whyisthat101]

Yea Nietzsche destroys the classics.

[TheChicarusa]

imho:the third case - the philosopher,: the person, who understanding his demons and angels, and... supervising by selfcontrol them ( because of his strong spirit).. Evil and Good in the man should be in balance, hatred is necessary for self-defense, and love - for creativity, the hater is not capable to construction.

The Universe has the positive(!) program, negative is necessary temporarily for destruction of the out-of-date forms which any more do not correspond to a modern epoch..

[StevenErnest]

@TheChicarusa I think I agree with you. However, instead of "hatred," I would use the word "dislike."

[ofdarknessandlight]

@StevenErnest love is just as awkward as the word hate, you can't be suggesting "dislike" balances out the word and idea of love?

[StevenErnest]

@ofdarknessandlight How are the words love and hate, "awkward?" In fact, how do they come into play here? I really don't understand your comment, I don't think you understand the quotes.

[ofdarknessandlight]

@StevenErnest they came in to play by being used in the first place, of course. To be to the point I just felt that you were saying you'd replace hatred with dislike in a sentence where it's balanced by the word love, that's all I meant by it, regardless of what I'm understanding or not

[GrumpyOldDude90]

@TheChicarusa nietzsche would say that just saying "right" and "wrong" means you are still a slave.

[rpblanco]

Who cares about Nietzsche?

[StevenErnest]

@rpblanco  That's a rather dumb comment.

[rpblanco]

@StevenErnest it was a question.

[StevenErnest]

@rpblanco Oh, okay. Then you might want to do some reading about Nietzsche's influence on modern philosophy.

[rpblanco]

@StevenErnest Right now I am in the middle of the will to power kaufman's edition, where would you go next?

[StevenErnest]

@rpblanco Then it was a dumb question. ;p

[amendoza2]

@rpblanco have you done a good deal of readings on the "pre-platonics" (as Nietzsche calls them), Plato, Aristotle, Hume, Kant, Schopenhauer, Hegel, von Goethe, Schiller, Lange, the Bible and read all of Nietzsche's work to give this comment? If so we can chat, if not please do so and then make an opinion that is not from ignorance!

[NinjaMatie]

Brilliant!

[StevenErnest]

@NinjaMatie  Thank you, I appreciate it.

[StevenErnest]

@NinjaMatie Thank you, I appreciate it. ^_^

[jesusb71]

U try to find ways to figure out your exsistance and become better but knowladge and understanding goes far beyond books and letters. You fool and im not religious

[jesusb71]

Man have always tried to create his own philosophy about life creating evil ways and principles. By fallowing their own heart and understanding they only give proof that they are fools trying to invent a path that will ultimately lead them to deny the truth of God , and by that showing how ignorant and wicked man is.

[StevenErnest]

@jesusb71  You sound like a religious nut. Please go out and read more. A LOT MORE.

[jesusb71]

@StevenErnest -How sad that you look up to man to try to find an explanation to things and try to become better, but knowlage and understanding goes far beyond words and letters. And you should stop reading less cause i can see that to many letters are driving u crazy. Get out of that dellusion that you are living in you ignorant fool.

[StevenErnest]

@jesusb71 Okay, bye bye, now.

[2canines]

We are all animals and gods doesn't exist.

I am the greatest philosopher!!! ever!

[jstreet2]

Nietzsche knew Greek thought very well and he assume that his readers did also. He expected them to know this statement of Aristotle.

Aristotle was referring the the many Gods of his time who were sufficient unto themselves, such as Aphrodite, Zeus, etc. Nietzsche's readers would also know that Aristotle defined man as a social animal. But Nietzsche knew far more than Aristotle because he sat on Darwin's shoulders. He knew that man is a species of ape and that man can be overcome.

[nickfromdtown1992]

this just made me think of dr manhattan

[StevenErnest]

Great observation! Yes, Jon Osterman found himself balanced between being a human and a God.

Dr. Manhattan is one of my favorite fictional characters.

[nickfromdtown1992]

mine too. hes actually my favorite in any piece of fiction ever

[figocooldude]

EPIC

[StevenErnest]

Thank you! ^_^

[scruethedemiurge]

Yeah, that was a nice rhetorical remark by Neitzsche, but the fact is no one can survive alone, not even a philosopher.

[ruckenfigur]

Prove it.

[scruethedemiurge]

@ruckenfigur Are you serious? You're asking me to prove no one can survive alone? Can you hunt and harvest your own food, build your own shelter, do your own medical and dental work, converse only with yourself all your life without going mad and reproduce by yourself? No, you can't do that. So what in hell do you mean asking me to prove no one can survive alone? Idiot.

[figocooldude]

Aristotle ment it more in the sense you are talking about, I think Nietzsche is interpreting it on an emocional level

[ruckenfigur]

Dimwit, it's not rhetorical. It's called humor. Nietzsche (<-proper spelling) meant his comment figuratively not literally. You apparently have never read Nietzsche in your life.

[scruethedemiurge]

@ruckenfigur I've read some of Nietzsche's stuff...a few insightful maxims...some really, really good philosophyzing. Some of his concepts - the superman, eternal recurrence of lives, the will to power - range from the shallow to the ridiculus.

[Garret00074]

@scruethedemiurge you find the will to power ridiculous?

And that's it????

Are you trying to be ironic?

[scruethedemiurge]

@Garret00074 The will to power is so general as to be almost meaningless. Of course we're all driven by a will to power, but that that power achieved manifestes differently in each person, according to personal taste. Some of the more ruthless people will to become dictators who control every aspect of everyones lives. Some will to become like Jesus or Socrates, pacifists with complete control over themselves, whos only desire is to help everyone else achieve the same freedom.

[Garret00074]

@scruethedemiurge

That's exactly what Niezsche's saying..and futher, he goes on to discuss how even our altruistic, 'good' impulses are driven by our will to power. It may seem pretty meaningless to you, but how many thinkers before Nietzsche wrote that all of man's drives were based on the desire for power- and assimilitated that into an over pschological assessment of what drives man...much like Freud said man was driven by sex...

I mean, your going to compare anything Plato said to this?

[scruethedemiurge]

Perhaps meaningless was the wrong word. I guess what I meant was it's so general, and I would say obvious that it need not even be said. Further, to one who doesn't know Nietzsches work, "will to power" sounds like a suggestion that we all want to be Saddam Husein. And no, I'm not about to compare that idiot Plato to Nietzsche. Plato was an absolutist, a fool. Nietzsche contribution to philosophy was to repair much of the damage plato did to it.

[scruethedemiurge]

I guess what I'm getting at here is something like this: Some are driven by a will to dictate, some by a will to liberate others, some by a will to live a life of leisure, and so forth. Everyone is driven by his own will to do whatever it is that he wants to do, to live whatever way he wants to live. The successful one may even be a beach bum who does nothing. If that's the way he wants to live and lives thusly, he's successfully willed himself to power. (continued...)

[scruethedemiurge]

(...continued) The fact that under everyones drive to do whatever it is that he wants to do, underlying everything else is the will to power...yes, power to dominate, power to liberate, power to do nothing, or to live whatever way one wants to...to say that underlying everything is a will to power...it's such an obvious fact, it's totologous. It goes without saying.

[NORMANGODS]

@scruethedemiurge ur understanding will to power to mean will-power but it is more than that,it is the force that is organic life

[scruethedemiurge]

@NORMANGODS Yeah, some Nietzsche fans seem almost quazi mystical about it - as if he conceived of some teleological force guiding the development of matter into self replicating organic life. As if matter itsself was on a mission to become organic. I think that's stupid of course.

[scruethedemiurge]

@NORMANGODS Yeah, I really think Nietzsches will to power idea is scrwey. Matter has no will to become organic. It just does what it does as dictated by the laws of physics and chemestry. Organic life adapts to it's surrounding environment as it's compelled to. It's not directed by any will to power or any will to anything else. It's without intention, a "blind watchmaker". Any ideas about will are in our minds and those are mere conceptual representations of chemical processes in our heads.

[NORMANGODS]

@scruethedemiurge thats interesting but i dont agree,i think will to power is the driving force of matter

[scruethedemiurge]

@NORMANGODS What are you saying? Do you think there was some conscious force directing atams and molicules to arrange themselves into the first self replicating cell? Do you think biological evolutionary adaptations occur because the organic matter is imbued with a desire to make itsself powerful?

[NORMANGODS]

@scruethedemiurge i think that the will to power is a force that creates and destroys,it is not conscious of what it does,it just is,it is isness,there was no beginning or end for it.

[scruethedemiurge]

@NORMANGODS So basicly, the will to power is the ineffable being as being that Aristotle was looking for?

[NORMANGODS]

@scruethedemiurge im not that well read in aristotle at all,it sends like the answer is yes tho,nietzsches insight into life is just so amazing it is almost like he is a prophet i know he wouldnt like anyway saying that tho.

[GrumpyOldDude90]

@scruethedemiurge no, the will to power is neither eternal nor perfect. It is not even a "being" as you call it. it is a human and thus animal impulse, nothing more.

[GrumpyOldDude90]

@scruethedemiurge you are trying to regard philosophical thought scientifically. The difference is that science is concerned with logic applied to evidence and philosophy is concerned with truth, or perhaps I should say human truth.

[scruethedemiurge]

@GrumpyOldDude90 What you say about it, that it's just a human and animal impulse, that makes it simple. I wonder why no one just said that in the first place. As for philosophy, my chief interest for some time has been to separate the natural and objective from mere human convention. It's amazing how many of my most basic assumptions and notions I had taken to be "real" but upon introspection I've discovered to be mere convention. What's your chief philosophical interest?

[GrumpyOldDude90]

@scruethedemiurge I'm looking for maybe the exact same thing. To you I say: read as much nietzsche as you possibly can. Just reading The Antichrist is enough to make you say "my mission in separating objective reality from conventions is done!"

But I would suggest not stopping there. So far I have read "On truth and falsity (or lies, depends on edition) in the nonmoral sense" which is an essay and will blow your fucking mind and The Antichrist. Want to get my hands on the genealogy of morals.

[xmuneebx]

ah beautiful Nietzsche is great

[StevenErnest]

Yes, a wonderful response.

[GueorguiJoukov]

That is neither acquired, nor proven.

Yet, he makes me laugh... What an irony when you see how dark some of his words may be felt as being.

Socrates said that the poets were the hands of the Gods and wrote truth in a divine inspiration without understanding it themselves, for they write it figurativly.

Wasn't Nietzche a poet, a writer?

[omgtkseth]

HELP!! I'm looking for a webpage or document that explain the difference between overman and superman (Ubermensch mean ultraman, meaning 'over the man', while super man means 'very human'. It also stated That "a book for free spirits" should have been "for free minds", but because of translation problems "spirits" was chosen over "minds". Any body Can help?

[neothomist1275]

"Nietzsche in his youth was a professor of Greek literature: one would have expected his superman to be a sort of Greek hero. But on the whole it is remarkable how little he learned from the Greeks, no modesty or reverence, no joy in order and in loveliness, no sense for friendship, none for the sanctity of places and institutions." -- George Santayana

[StevenErnest]

Thank you for this quote -- and for watching.

[Athenaikos]

Heraclitus of Ephesus, a pre-Socratic philosopher said:

Ἦθος ἀνθρώπῳ δαίμων.

A man's character is his daemon

It is my guess, but if Aristotle was allowed a rebuttal then he would have examined Nietzsche's character.

[StevenErnest]

I've always liked Heraclitus's thoughts on change -- a rather Eastern philosophical view.

I looked up that daemon quote. It seems to mean that man's inner character manifests itself in his interpersonal relationships. He is what he does.

What is your take?

It is hard not to consider a philosopher's character as having a bearing on their ideas. Do the ideas transcend the faults of the thinker?

[jlke45]

Is it so difficult? I should hope we would be beyond ad hominen attacks.

[jlke45]

Ah Nietzsche, you were a master of quips. But beyond that....

[chumbucket66]

So true.

[Athenaikos]

StevenErnest:

I think your interpretation is correct. A bit more liberal interpretation might be "that we are own worst enemies", meaning that the effort of conquering the ego is by far greater than any outside influences and challenges life might throw our way.

[deathsigle]

but the best scrutiny provides the most refined results. to say he was nothing but a "quip master" is such a shallow interpretation it shows how little you have tried to approach his theories, thus exposing your philosophical prejudices.

[earthypig]

i gather that you aren't a fan of ayn rand? ^_^

[StevenErnest]

I like the importance she puts on idea$ and belief$, but she's kinda crazy.

[earthypig]

i concur with you on that.... lol...

[wblakews]

shoulda read blake

[ameroffsky]

Is there no video that compares/contrasts Nietzsche with Plato?

Because Nietzsche was deeply inspired by both Plato and Aristotle.

In my view, Plato's Philosopher King can in some sense be compared to the Ubermensch.

Both are meant to be the archtype of what is ideal in their respective societies, accomplished and intellectually brilliant, thus making them fit to lead.

[rockman22]

Nietzsche hated Plato. He called Platonism the philosophical equivalent to Christianity, which he despised.

[ameroffsky]

Interesting I did not know that.

On another note, a theme on which I constantly dwell is the fact that his notion of the Ubermensch, which was later used and perverted by Nazism, was not some kind of superior race, as some people think.

It was more like the men (or people) who transcend what is usual, or common.

He envisioned a human being that was superior to the common layman, both intellectually and in other respects.

[rockman22]

Yes, I am well aware of that, but its good that you posted it, alot of people I think misunderstand that point of the super/over man.

[pecierpoldo]

That is true that he ridiculed Plato. But he also ridiculed his idol, Socrates, "the great rationalizer". I read in some (though only some) of Nietzsche's tirades and attacks (even ad hominems) deep admiration and respect. Nietzsche, after all, accords high praise to those enemies and opponents he can respect.

[ameroffsky]

To be frank, I don't know enough about Aristotle to make such a judgement.

My knowledge of him is relatively compared to what I know about Plato.

[yorkygb]

"The man of knowledge must be able not only to love his enemies but also to hate his friends"

Why I am So Wise- Nietzsche

[yorkygb]

George Santayana VS Harry G Frankfurt

"A man is morally free when, in full possession of his living humanity, he judges the world, and judges other men, with uncompromising sincerity."

-Santayana

"Facts about ourselves are not peculiarly solid or resistant to skeptical dissolution. Our natures are, indeed, elusively insubstantial-notoriously less stable and less inherent that the natures of other things. And insofar as this is the case, sincerity itself is bullshit."

-Harry G Frankfurt

[MGibsonian]

Ayn Rand dissing Kant is the best one though !!!!!!!!!!!

[crucialkon]

the most profoundest thinker of all time i enjoyed reading thus spoke zarathustra

[StevenErnest]

Yes, and:  thank you for commenting! ^_^

[pecierpoldo]

Though I believe some of Nietzsche most acidic tirades and ad hominems (especially against Spinoza, Kant, Plato and Socrates) are really invitations to read those philosophers with greater depth and understanding. In the case of his attack on St. Paul, though, I believe it is pure contempt.

[awormyourhonor]

lol other than Ayn Rand

[StevenErnest]

Heh heh. ^_^

[awormyourhonor]

Ayn Rand is the lawful evil's narrow minded bitch. And what makes it frustrating is how much of the time she's totally right

[ameroffsky]

In which case she's not such a narrow minded bitch then is she?

She'd have to be clever to hit it right on the nose so often.

[alchemistra]

Nietzsche, hands down. I prefer original thought (an oxymoron), however, LennonisGod1 has demonstrated this quite nicely :)

[cvjucla3]

Steve, I think Plato's line of reasoning went well w/ Nietzshe's famous quote, which Plato makes before Aristotle uttered his famous quote in 'Politics.' Plato makes reference to this concept w/ his famous 'Philosopher King.'

[jullia1200423]

my commentary was relative what diekontrolleure wrote,ok Steven?

Thanks

[muhjaheed]

WRONG, for Aristotle, to be a philosopher one is not alone, but always in dialogue with the world...Nietzsche is a hermit, not a philosopher

"Philosophers have hitherto only interpreted the world; the point is, to change it"

[vos360]

Nietzsche is "not a philosopher"

Obviously, you know nothing.

[cvjucla3]

Right and Nietzche wanted to change it. He was for total freedom and personal growth. He embraced life, both the good and the bad. Nietzsche wanted humans to realize their full potential, if they dared.

[janetzki1]

Not only did Nietzsche "want to change [the world]", he did change the world. And whatever else Nietzsche was, he was most certainly a Philosopher.

[ighnaz]

or of a psychologist than a philosopher in my opinion.

[pecierpoldo]

Ye-ah! says this ass.

[awormyourhonor]

"If they dared." Precisely.

He did have one saving grace and one weak point however. He felt that men had an inherent nobility.

That is the only string keeping his nihilism afloat I'm afraid. I'm not saying I disagree with him, only saying that it might be wishful thinking.

[awormyourhonor]

idiot?

[diekontrolleure]

ihr habt alle nicht verstanden was nietzsche wirklich gemeint hat. der übermensch ist nichts anderes als nietzsches tiefste sehnsucht. er war ein zerebraler typus, ein denker, ein theoretiker. er war in seinem sozialverhalten gehemmt und litt unter seiner antriebslosigkeit. es bereitete ihm mühe in der früh überhaupt sein bett zu verlassen. der übermensch ist das gegenteil davon. er ist stark, mutig, kompromisslos, entschlossen, kreativ und schaffend. und alles ohne sich um moral zu scheren

[StevenErnest]

Hello: Thank you for your comment. However, I do not know German. Could you translate this? (I am half-German on my father's side ;)

[diekontrolleure]

just my interpretation of thus spoke zarathustra. my english is not good enough to give you a good translation. but thanks for uploading

[DagnirGlaurunga]

Freely translated: you don't understand what Nietzsche meant, the übermensch (super-human?) is what he desires as a theoretical thinker, he had a low social IQ, couldn't leave his bed in the morning, was the opposite of his brave and creative ideal.

My comment on this: in a way, he's right. But the ideas of philosophers should never be reduced to their particular biographic background, not even Nietzsche (whose bad rep in Germany due to the Nazis abusing him is mostly undeserved).

[StevenErnest]

Thank you for translating!

I don't know why he said I don't understand what Nietzsche meant...? I only quoted his response to Aristotle.

I agree about philosophers' ideas and their lives. Their ideas should stand on their own. But of course, as with any intelligent person, it is interesting to understand their personal background.

[KillzluvsATB]

The translator forgot one word all.

As in you all.

Thanks

[jullia1200423]

Hi!!!

I agree to you: the super man of the Nietzche in of thus spoke zarathustra, is he himself, or better perhaps, what it was of truth, but the circumstances of the historical moment that it lived, had not allowed to this it.

perhaps, the Ortega/Gasset, has reason when it said that the man does not have nature; the man has history.

Congratulations for Steven, also!

Thanks.

JULIA

[boseffis]

it's so ridiculous to compare anyone to aristotle. but it's even more ridiculous to compare one philosopher to another. neitzsche wouldn't be that he was without aristotle. neither would we.

[StevenErnest]

I agree it is silly to compare thinkers. I put the "versus" in the title for fun. I'd happened across the passage where Nietzsche responds to Aristotle, which is thought provoking.

[boseffis]

that's steve, but i wasn't necessarily referring to you. i was commenting on other posters.

Thanks for posting this.

[StevenErnest]

Okay, I get you. Yes, I noticed that some people do not think deeply, and merely said "N is better than A." Only a few people -- such as yourself -- actually addressed what they said. Thank you for your comments.

[Thresholds]

I don't really think it's quite fair to compare the two. This world wouldn't be the same without Aristotle. Hell, he is even a precursor to Darwin if you think about it (I like to think that Heraclitus was the precursor to Nietzsche).

Anyways, doing this "ranking of the philosophers" is just silly in this case.

[StevenErnest]

I agree, they are two quite different thinkers from different eras. I put the "versus" in the title for fun.

I like the way Nietzsche responded to Aristotle's statement -- that is the joy of philosophy.

Most people do not think deeply, no one really addressed what they said, just "who was better."

[StevenErnest]

Right on! I think of Darwin as more of a scientist than a thinker/philosopher, but that's a cool observation. Thanks for commenting.

[Tusek420]

I'm reading Nietzsche's "Thus spoke Zarathustra" atm. I really like poetic style... He talks about state and politics in "The New Idol" Speech... here it is:

h t t p : / / members3.boardhost.c o m/nietzsche/msg/1182973674.h t m l (delete spaces)

[msa1985]

Oh my...

[StevenErnest]

? ^_^ ?

[stinkgy7788]

both excellent philsophers

[AlucardNoir]

Nietzsche for certain but Aristotle? Let's face it, he did in his Politics what no man should have ever done, he changed the ideas and concepts of Plato's republic, he changed the basis for all modern republics or government systems as a matter of fact, he corrupted the ideas Plato expressed in his Republic, and tx to him in the present day the ideas Plato expressed in his dialogue are now considered just idealistic and frankly impossible to be realized.

[Thresholds]

Yeah, Aristotle isn't a great philosopher at all. He's an amateur really. Corrupter of the Platonic heaven!

[tranquilocito]

"All ancient philosophy was based on plain living. In this sense the few vegetarian philosophers have contributed more for the welfare of man than all the other philosophers together." Friedrich Nietzsche

[LennonIsGod1]

To live alone:

1. Beast - metaphorically means an "outsider."

2. God - metaphorically means self-sufficient self-master.

3. Philosopher - (to Nietzsche) literally means a self-sufficient social outsider who has mastered himself through introverted thought and reflection.

Thus, Nietzsche metaphorically took Aristotle's quote and made it his own with a slight twist.

If that's not proof of a very ingenious mind, I don't know what is.

[LennonIsGod1]

Lol. Just goes to show how brilliantly clever and witty Nietzsche was.

To live out of society, alone, one must be a "beast," which we can take to mean as a rather uncivlized, anti-social recluse of some sort, or a "God," which we can take to mean a self-sufficient master of the self.

In either case, both words metaphorically represent Nietzsche's philosophy: to independently live alone as your own master. This, to Nietzsche, is the epitome of The Philosopher.

[Lukatheist]

Go Nietzsche it's your birthday, Go Go Go

[StevenErnest]

Based on everyone's comments, Nietzsche is waaay more popular than Aristotle. ^_^

[fireblossom559]

OR...Nietzsche has a much more dedicated following. Everyone knows about Aristotle through school and doesn't really care. Nietzsche is someone you find out about on your own, making it more interesting to those dedicated to philosophy, especially people who are anti-religion. It IS Nietzsche, after all.

[StevenErnest]

That's a great point, fireblossom!

Aristotle is kinda old and dusty, while Nietzche's thought is more relevant for modern times, postmodern thought, etc.

But let's not throw out the Aristotle with the bathwater... ^_^ His "Poetics" on drama is still insightful.

[slowhand1954]

I Like both of these gentlemen and feel that the thrid type is as acurate a discrption as the first 2, look at the way most philosophers are treat by society, We normally don't recognize ther truths the real one give us until long after there deaths, and the're normally set aside by main stream thinking of thier times. Nietzsche is right, as well as Airstotle. You have a new sub, like the channel.

Peace,

Allen

[StevenErnest]

That's a very good point! Only getting recognized by posterity. Thanks, you "old hippie!" ;) That's a badge of honor -- like being a Peace Veteran! ^_^

[RamzGT]

Glad to see some spotlight into Nietzsche!

[StevenErnest]

Thanks! Of course, this is only a tip of the iceberg!

[jazzbunny]

I always read Nietzsche as though he was writing parody - that this is what society will become if we kill God and therefore we should think carefully about the world we will enter with science instead of morality. He wrote in Latin because he knew Germans would not understand such parody- well that's just my take of him...

[StevenErnest]

You might like to watch several recent videos by Zorio on the Deconstruction of Religion. That's his channel: zorio

[koenichfuerst]

I've finally seen a fnord. Yeah!

[StevenErnest]

^_^

[Boucrate]

Strange i'm seeing the Rodan Thinker sitting on the bowl having deep thought! A practical expression of the animal-god? Where's my coffee?..

[StevenErnest]

Boucrate, sitting on the toilet bowl? heheh

Rodan versus GODzilla...!

[Boucrate]

Rodin Rodin Rodin Rodin! The guy is french and i can even spell is name right! Haaaargh!

What's next in the name of Gud!LOL!

[prokofiev24]

Why are you using swan lake music for this video, i dont think it fits well with it.

[StevenErnest]

Prokofiev, I wanted something a bit unusual. At first I was going to use Beethoven's Ninth, then thought Swan Lake might be cool.

To me, the passionate music suggests the deeply passionate feelings and thoughts that philosophy instills in those so inclined.

[prokofiev24]

I understand,do you own that recording with charles dutiot and the montreal symphony its one of my favorite cds that i own,also the best recording of swan lake.

[StevenErnest]

Prokofiev, yes! that's precisely the recording I used! I mention it in the sidebar box to the right of the video screen; have the CD. I'm not real knowledgeable re classical music, as you seem by your name and vids on your channel.

When Stanley Kubrick used The Blue Danube in 2001: A Space Odyssey -- "older" listeners were used to the more traditional waltz, while younger people accepted it as conveying the beauty of space travel.

[GnosticAtheist]

Nietzsche was an idiot! Fighting against god and angels and stuff! You are doomed to loose against those kewl and powerful things!

Yes, I have spoken my words of truth, I guess you will take down this satanic video now! HAIL JESUS!

[StevenErnest]

GnosticAtheist, I know you enough -- I think -- to see your infamous irony. ;)

"Satanic?" Wow, thanks for the compliment!

HAIL ERIS! the Goddess of Chaos and Discord.

fnord ^_^

[GnosticAtheist]

Hehe... You probably also know I "dislike" philosophy. Nietzsche on the other hand, was a great author/literary philosopher.

Liked the video. ;)

[TheCarruths]

As we all know, Gnostic, your views are evil and satanic. You foolishly think your sarcasm your own. We know it to be an ingrafted tool of the diabolic Ygg.

I rebuke you and invite you to tea.

[GnosticAtheist]

Hmmm...

Your tea of death is accepted. There shall be much anguish and tears, no milk and sugar.

[StevenErnest]

Ben, if his views are "evil and satanic" -- what are yours...? Inside the deceptively sweet chocolate coating of your thoughts, lurk the dark, sour, nicotine and tar poisonous viral memes that consume brain cells. Then they replicate. It's really rather insidious. ^_^

[savagemike90]

Nietzsche wins. I can remember reading that in a book called "Friedrich Nietzsche: A Nietzsche reader". It's basically a book that copied from his books and pasted the cool stuff. : ) I shall read "Twilight of the Idols" in the future though, hopefully. Cool video.

[StevenErnest]

Savagemike, thanks! To be honest, that sounds like the very same book where I came across this quote! "A Nietzsche Reader," Penguin Classics, 1977. I'd already known the Aristotle bit, then came across Nietzsche's rebuttal purely by chance, while browsing through it in a bookstore -- it gave me goosebumps! We both should still read "Twilight of the Idols," however. ^_^

[savagemike90]

Yep, that's the same book!