nice video but I'm sorry to see so brainwashed people.... as long as religious fanatics exist nothing will change in this world, they need to educate themselves.
anyone who tries to look for truth, moral ot reason in the bible or any other man-made religious book really has a mental problem. it's not funny, it's tragic.
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Interesting how sperm that enter a females body in the right place don't cause harm....maybe because we were designed that way. God made sex and has rules for it- you don't want to go by the rules, then you suffer the consequences. He knows better than you. Look at AIDS, and all the other diseases that are Sexually transmitted. There is a reason for this. He knows what is best for us- He made us! WAKE UP!
AIDS is transmitted by unsafe sex with infected persons. There are countless instances when a sperm fertilizes the egg, and still got AIDS. And monogamous gay couples do not contract it.
You are just another example of homophobic bigotry.
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....never harm society....oh please. Did you know that homosexuality is extremely unhealthy....Sperm contain only half of your DNA and was not designed to be in the body other than where God designed it to be. The homosexual lifestyle causes your body to go autoimmune (attacks the sperm cells it detects as foreign and unwelcome). The anus is not meant for such activity- Ruptured rectums and other complications are results. The sperm permeate the rectum and enter the body- not good.
Why is it that when you mention heterosexuality, everyone thinks of relationships, but when you mention homosexuality, they think of anal sex? Stop being stupid. Homosexuality IS healthy, and this I know as a FACT!!!
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The flagellar motor is an example of what Darwin didn't know and would have acknowledged if he had gotten to see it. You can spew off a bunch of mutations all day long, but who's your source? Even if some mutation makes one vulnerable to homosexual attraction, it is no less sin to give in to it. We all know alcoholism is genetic too, right? Does that mean you have to be drunken all the time? No, there are non- drinking alcoholics that overcome it every day. gay = ABOMINATION
We live in a fallen creation. According to evolution, the mutations MUST be beneficial and MUST be introducing NEW information. All of the mutations you describe are a LOSS of information, not NEW information. This is evidence of a fallen creation that is losing information, not gaining. Evolution is so easy to prove false. Especially with the microscope. If Darwin had a microscope, he would have blown his own theory away.
"Christians must move on" Why just point the finger at Christians when literally every Religion threw out history have taught that Homosexuality is wrong?
And I swear he was reading all that off his computer lol
Do you criticize newscasters for reading off of teleprompters? Big deal. My channel, I'll read if I choose to.
And my finger doesn't only wag at the Christians. You are absolutely correct in that most religions have some part to blame. But as I live in America and it's my country I'm presently concerned with (seeing as the Bush administration is nearly a theocracy), I talk about Christianity.
Actually, any mention of homosexuality is found only in the Abrahamic tradition, all without any rational basis. The Qur'an, for example, states that Sodom is where homosexuality began. Anyone knowledgable on the subject of sexuality knows that this is pure bunk. I have searched Buddhism, Hinduism, Taoism, Confuncianism, etc and homosexuality is nowhere mentioned. To say that all religions condemn it is mere wishful thinking from those who want to strenghten their bigotry.
Even if every religion that has ever existed condemned homosexuality, they would still be wrong. What is essential, what only can suffice, is a RATIONAL explanation why homosexuality does harm. Simply echoing a religious passage means nothing; it must have some verifiable backing.
No not ALL religions have taught it to be wrong, just lots of them have. Well hell, in lots of different countries & religions, they treat women quite wrong & regard them as weak & fragile (slaves) just like they do gays, yet women are the barriers of life...
Goes to show that 95% of the world is incorrect. Hopefully people will grow out of their ignorant mindsets.
Humans are not fish! Homosexuality is not part of our evolution. Are your resources reliable resources? Justification is not how you solve a problem that is a choice. Homosexuals have been fighting for rights for a long time. "Actually not really!" Being gay is a punishment to oneself. Being intimate with the same sex is physically wrong. That's why boy's have a penis and girls have a vagina. Your research is full of opinions and hearsay. Make your point related to humans not fish!
Humans are animals (= mammals), strange animals, agreed, but still. Did you know that many heterosexual couples enjoy anal and oral sex? And 1500 (highly developed) species on the planet do gay sex? So much for physically wrong, unnatural, unnormal etc.
The only way humans are considered animals is if you believe in evolution. Evolution has not be proven beyond a resonable doubt. Just because you may enjoy something doesn't make it right. thieves love to steal, killer's love to kill, rapist love to rape, and they all enjoy what they do. Homosexuals enjoy sodomy. Hmmm!
It's really that simple. And don't come up with the bible, or do you believe in a 2000 year old fairy tale book, written by old men, believing in some invisible men in the sky?
And for the record, I was raised quite religiously, I made an exam in religious education. I believe in a creator, but not like the bible tells me. I have a brain! I can think for myself.
Actually homosexuals do hurt someone. Their partners rectum. Why do you think some places sell butt pluggs. It is not because everyone needs them. Besides if a homosexual likes to walk around smelling like poop that's his business. Who was talking about religion? Sounds like someone is feeling guilty about something! I never said anything about religion in either of my statements. (nodding head) You need to pay closer attention to detail instead of blurting out, "BLAH, BLAH, BLAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!"
But many heterosexual couples have anal sex. Man plugging his stick into women, and both enjoy it.
How is your sex life then? Vanilla sex? Wow, congratulations. Boring! And you seem to live in the 15th century. I thought in the 21st century people wouldn't be so backwards.
One more thing: I'm gay, but anal sex isn't something for me. But I at least respect all people, hetero or homo, who enjoy that. Ok, can we move onwards to other subjects?
LOL! You are very humble to admit your wrong... My sex life is wonderful! The 21st century is full of perverse people. There's no ammo with the 21st century statement. I already knew you where gay. I was not putting you or homosexuals down. I just believe in man with woman. I get confused with homosexuals who claim they where born that way. Kind of makes fun of people who are actually born with a deficiency. What are gay rights anyway? Being gay is not a race! How about hetero rights? lol, funny
Well if your sex life is wonderful... I doubt it. Because if it was, you would just say: "I don't care what other people do. I'm happy with my girl. And gays can do what they want, I'm perfectly okay with that."
Moreover, you wouldn't run around in Youtube and tell other people you're frustrated about that. Abandon your prejudices.
Bigotry is a chameleon, isn't it! Homosexuality, in the bad old days, was deemed a sin for being an unatural transgression of God's design. When the behavioral sciences began to develope, it became of mental illness. Now that has been proven false, and evidence shows it's biological, it's now a deficiency! You guys just can't your heads out of sewer. Homosexuality is a healthy and natural state of being that doesn't need to be altered, cured, or infused with guilty notions of sin. PERIOD!!!
thats none of ur business you dipshit. and btw do you really think being gay is just about fucking and doing anal sex all the time? fuckhead! I have a wonderful sexlife. I bet you don't even have a girlfriend (if ur straight at all) muahaha!
"We could need even more homosexuals to control population / regulate overpopulation. There are _too many_ heterosexuals producing too many human babies. In fact we need more animal babies". Hm, hehe, that's actually a quote from someone else on Youtube, but I found it very interesting and cool and thought I should spread the word.
P.S. Ok agreed, so we need more babies in the Western world! And less (or to be more precise: better education and more wealth) in the third world countries.
Great video! Whatever happens in nature is by definition natural. Homosexual conduct happens in nature. Therefore, homosexual conduct is natural. it really is that simple.
Of course. Morality is a human conception. It means nothing in nature. But that doesn't make morality an imaginary thing. Morality definitely guides our lives, it's part of our evolution. What I'm saying is that homosexuality is not immoral or unnatural. And it is not immoral precisely because it is a state that occurs between consenting adults unlike rape, murder, etc.
I agree, those things are indeed natural. The difference is that murder, rape, and sometimes lying affect the will of another without their consent. That makes those three acts ethically reprehensible.
Homosexuals arew not driven by love, they are driven by "LUST" if they were driven by love, they would love a woman as much and love God even more! Love has nothing to do with the lust of homosexuality! Repent and give your life to Jesus he will forgive you, clean you up and change your life!
Spare me your fundamentalist condescension. You continue believing that a talking snake fooled a rib-woman into persuading her partner into eating a magical fruit resulting in expulsion, by a holy ghost, from a magical land.
Keep buying that that a 900-year old man had saved all the species of a planet, from a world-wide deluge ,aboard a giant ship. keep believing that a "Compassionate" God would destroy entire cities and nations, just to make the point that he is almighty.
From one Gilbert to another, your comment betrays the fact that you never looked at gays as people with basic human needs, but as sinners. The fact remains, gay relationships are just as deep, just as diverse, and just as complex as heterosexual relationships. Love is a biological as well as an emotional need, and if it were true that gays were incapable of it, you would see them banging down doors crying for help, but this is not the case. Many of us, such as we members of PFLAG, know better.
Do you know a "clitoris" is a small penis! And a overgrown clitoris is abnormal like a 6 finger hand. This is evidence that woman came from man. Read the book of Genesis chapter 1-2 and you will see he made one man and one woman to co habitate, dominate & procreate. God did not make adam & steve, it was Adam & Eve!
A perfect example of how religion uses conjecture, to further their agendas. If I go by your logic, I would cite the existence of the male nipple (a non-functional feature) as proof that women came before men...
After all, who am I to debate with someone who believes that a rib-woman was tricked into persuading her partner to eat from a forbidden fruit, which caused a holy ghost to expel them from a magical land...
A child with a rudimentary knowledge of science can read Genesis and realize that it's absolute bunk. If Adam and Eve is your bottom line of defense, then you don't have a case, because they never existed.
Aids was called a homosexual disease before it was called aids. It is a fact that the penis is not suppose to go into the anus. There are many diseases as the result. These diseases has a social affect upon heterosexuals. So it is a lie that homosexuality does not affect society.
Whoa! Hold back there! What makes you think that anal sex is an exclusively homosexual practise? What makes you think that all gays are into it? Tastes in sex practises vary enormously among gay men as well as lesbians. Evidently you never watched straight porno. There's even an excellent straight video on YouTube called Do You Take It Up The Ass. Fact: homosexuals and heterosexuals engage in the same sex acts.
Again, you see nothing beyond the carnal dimension. Stop the excuse-mongering!
BeatBuddy : I never said that anal sex is an exclusive homosexual act - you presumed that! I made a general statement about anal sex and I spoke of all! I stopped practicing anal sex within a heterosexual relatioships because it is unclean and cause disease.
If practiced with adequate protection, it does not "Cause disease." If you protect yourself 100% of the time, then there won't be a disease passed on to begin with. It is the LACK OF PROTECTION that spreads disease, not being homosexual or anal sex.
If I go by your erroneous statements, then vaginal sex is "Unclean," and should not be practiced. After all, a man can get a litany of venereal diseases from tapping pussy, without protection...
antidote2010 : "If" aka chance - this is like saying if i have 2 bullets in a gun it will not kill me if the gun does not shoot the other six. Yes you are playing russian roulette with your life!...
I just stated that protection is crucial, in terms of preventing diseases. What "Russian Roulette" are you referring to? Stop slapping preconceived Biblical notions upon me. You don't know me; let's make that very clear.
Contrary to many religious folks; venereal diseases are not inherently-linked to being homosexual; they are contracted and spread by reckless behavior and promiscuity. Correct me if I'm wrong, but many straight people contract STD's as well.
Here's what Wesman3810 said to me:"i would like you to come to church with me some time jesus will cure you i have seen many demons cast out. yours will be the same 104 church st cumberland ky usa 6.00 pm on sundays on radio hill"
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Now, can you expect to debate with, and get somewhere with these people?
Debate seems impossible. Reminds me of the pastor who said that Satan planted fossils in the earth to lead mankind astray. How does a rational person argue with this? It's unfortunate that we can't travel through time; I would send Wesman3810 to the 11th Century where, oooops!, I mean when he belongs.
Sexuality is just a single aspect of GLBT people. It is not all-defining. However, you and your church cohorts misrepresents us as being all about sex, and sinning and promiscuity. There are many other dimensions about us, that you fail to mention.
I can see right through your agendas. It is to dehumanize us, and gain leverage to judge and ostracize us. Too bad that you don't take the time to really understand the diversity of human beings. But then again, it's too much to ask from a Fundie.
Homosexuality doesn't lower anything, but if you denigrate people for being gay, you lower yourself. A straight shrink was right when he said, "homosexuality is what each individual makes of it." I find the Orwellian doublespeak very amusing. The enemies of gay rights argue that homosexuality is not found in animals because EVEN they know better. But when this claim is shown false, they turn the issue around and say we're not animals! But WE ARE animals, whether you choose to admit it or not.
If we shouldn't do what animals do, does this mean we shouldn't eat, sleep, sweat, piss, fart, and shit? BTW, animals reproduce; does that mean we shouldn't?
If we shouldn't do what animals do, does this mean we shouldn't eat, sleep, sweat, piss, fart, and shit? BTW, animals reproduce; does that mean we shouldn't?
antidote2010 : So, to you we are animals and should live as animals? Also, whats the difference between people and ANIMLAS? also, there are animals that eat there feces & they eat there dead and abnormal born, why not do the same?
you said that there is difference from us and animals. If reasoning (will & logic) is the difference, then would not that mean we should not live by instinct (animal nature of attraction & desire)but we should live by choice!
Yes, we can choose to ignore our attraction to the same sex. However, we would not be able to choose to be attracted to the opposite sex. In other words, we would be living a lie by denying our sexuality.
You can perform exorcisms, baptisms, holy dances, blessings me in divine tongues, spray me with holy water, beat me with a cross, and hang me upside down from a bridge. At the end of the day, I will still be attracted to men. LMAO
What you are describing is called "perversion" or "unrestrained perverted desires" yes, without self control & spiritual fortitude inside, you will desire the opposite sex and choose to feed that desire. I am a man and I hate the smell, touch, or the thought of another man. i am actually repelled from the body odors of men, yet a woman's body odor (hormones) attract me. Why is it that I only love women. Here is why-God made me that way and to live any other way is against the laws of nature!
You hate the smell, touch or thought of another man, because you're STRAIGHT! So, you've proven my point. We don't choose our sexual orientation; it is predetermined!
Every behavioral and biological scientist worth his or her salt knows that the study of animals (phrenology) is essential in gaining a better understanding on the nature of man. Fundamentalists can't seem to grasp that tiny bit of common sense.
I find Fundies to be so easy to debate. I annihilate them with rhetorical dexterity, time and time again. When they are cornered, they resort to reciting passages and the same-old, tired platitudes. It's as if--by quoting from a 1500-year old book--they feel as if they've proven their case.
Years ago there was no such thing as homosexuality and it was looked down on. Funny how there were also less AIDS at that time. And now look, you all are squabbling in an effort to promote homosexuality. Your just an insult to humanity.
"Years ago there was no such thing as homosexuality"
LOL!! Are you really this stupid? If there was no such thing, then why does the Bible mention it? I'll go even further; the oldest known work of literature was found in Sumeria on clay tablets. Why does this mention it? And the ancient Greeks? Being abudantly found in animals, doesn't this mean that it existed before man evolved? Homosexuality is a natural state of being, asshole. And prior to Christianity, it was NOT looked down upon.
Funnily enough, I have not and never will ever waste my time reading the Bible. Religion needs to be abolished.
What made me laugh more was the quote "homosexuality is a natural state of being". Are you really this much of a retard, or do you always walk around with your eyes closed? It is disgusting eitherway however much you attempt to claim it "natural". Please, save me energy and do not reply to this comment, you are an embarrassment and a waste of oxygen.
Do you think I make these assertions out of the clear blue sky? You think Trenholmes and I are the only ones who argue that homosexuality is natural? Have you tried NOVA and National Geographic? (available on YouTube.)
Disgust isn't an argument because that's wholly subjective according to the temperaments of individuals. Homosexuality is disgusting because you have a cryptic view of it. Lots of gay men find an open vagina to penetrate extremely disgusting. Further, your bigotry disgusts me.
serrulius1, just be cause you find it, "Disgusting," does not justify homosexuality being considered morally-wrong. Your view is subjective; it is not universal. It perpetuates ignorance, animosity and homophobia.
i also forgot to say that all sinners not just not just homo people will go to hell. and truly all you have to do is ask god for forgiveness of your sinful actions. jesus has won the judgement thrown over for us. if you repent with all your heart and soul he will forgive. it may be hard for some. but rememver it is a war for youheart and mind. and the world you live in is fallen (not in original state it was created in and humanity is not helping)
You are an idiot Im afraid. You just cant get it through your brainwashed skull, that this sinning/jesus/repentance/myth has nothing to do with the genetic make up & evolution of our species. The bible is only a book of recycled stories that have been around for 10,000 yrs. I'm sure you've seen Zeitgeist, yet you CHOOSE to believe your god is different to all the others that history recorded. Same birthdays, same virgin births etc etc. You are worshipping & praying to the sun!LOL
well so you say. the only thing psuedo-scientific is the theory of evolution. the only evidence for it is in the text books. while in reality we have no fossil record exibiting any evolution at all. as for the bible its the most archeologicaly correct book in the world that we have left from ancient times.
Oh yes we do have fossils, exhibiting the process of evolution. What planet are you from? The Bible, however, is a book fraught with violence and improbable myths such as talking snakes and magical fruits.
not so. when i was 5 and had no god in my knowledge my grandmah said something about 2 women being together without the detail and i said that downright stupid. same goes for the men. i was 5 and had no education in the matter. u can say all you like but i still think this way. and you can think your way. but i told you its not in your best interests to do so. cause we all got a soul and a creator. besides you would be better pleased with a women in every aspect of the word.
"you would be better pleased with a women in every aspect of the word."
This is sheer heterosexual arrogance. The fact remains that there are millions of gay people who have tried to conform to this social expectation, but to no avail. It results in hurt, divorce, and devasted emotions. It's time to put your arrogance aside and look into the face of reality.
if a boy asks me about why he has a dick and balls and girls dont i will explain what the obvious use for that is. but i wont force them in class to listen to anything about it. its not the schools job to do that. you people are like down syndrome your there but you shor as heck aint doing anyone any good.
and in a lot of cases its just sheer perversion and has nothing to do with hormones or anything of that sort. just for the record even men who do women in the rear are fumessed up.
You people come in here with your preconceived prejudices and assume you have something to teach. Why don't you listen to what Trenholms is saying in both of his videos? What you call opinion is merely condescension. Perversion is a moralistic tone used by the ignorant; in medical circles the word used is variant. If homosexuality is a perversion, then you must be able to explain how it adversely manifest itself, and this you cannot do without stereotyping and echoing myths.
why not tell the kids the truth that. men do each other in the hole and then lets see what they say. and all the other things that homos do. but no they even call it gay a word that means happy. which you are not. most gay stuff stems from hate. and if simply because you like someone doesnt mean you have to bang them in the rear hole. thats just sick in the head stuff.
If you told kids the truth they would be taught about the value of committed relationships, that gay people are humans with basic needs, and that they fall in love. They would see beyond carnal activity. You are suffering from a highly myopic point of view. Gay "stuff" does not spring from hate. On the contrary, the "truth" that you would give to kids is nothing but hate. Children need to be protected from your kind.
does not spring from hate then why even in gay tolerant cities are they so self abusive and suffer more then the rest of the population per head count. these are the stats. also why did a gay guy from 16 get married in his 30 and rays kids. he said he never tried a women so he staied gay. see how your suposed truth destroys life. you do better to shut your mouths and let people be. and if you dont you deserve every bit of hate you get
every wandered how one group of cats fed a cooked diet turned gay and how the other cats fed on raw diet did not turn gay. its all about brain chemistry. wether diet polution or drugs or brain deformaty or damage its here but its not normal. im not going to kill you but i think you shouldnt educate kids who dont even know about the sex thing, on what to do or not do. leave them be. you can keep your life but keep it to yourself.
Make a deal with gay people. If they promise to keep their homosexualities under wraps, that is, to themselves, then you must promise to do the same with your sexuality. See how much you like it.
She didn't choose to be gay because I know better. 800 gays I have talked with. But I've seen self-deception rear it's ugly head, and this self-deception comes about because they live in an ambiance of people like you. This insistence that homosexuality is a choice is not scientific; it is politically motivated. Bigots know that people are far more likely to support gays if they know homosexuality is not a choice.
whether i am or not isn't the point.gays are in self deception believing that homosexuality is who they are when it is not. it's a sinful nature. people like you know that gays are more likely to change and know the real and only truth when they know that homosexuality is a choice. a very wrong and misguiding choice.
You are very insistent, but keep insisting because you are factually wrong, dead wrong. You are the ones who are self-decpetive because you can't accept facts that undermine your paradigms. Proven homosexuality in animals is a case in point. Besides, I noticed that those who insist homosexuality is a choice also reject evolution. Sinful nature has no meaning for Trenholmes and me; both of us are atheists and find the concept preposterous. Come up with something better. And stop projecting.
evolution is a belief. now i do believe that there are a lot of animals are similar and related and resemble each other at times, but in no way do i believe that i came from a monkey. God created me not a monkey or anything else. and yes i will not accept theories that undermine my faith b/c i believe my faith is true. sinful nature has meaning to me and a lot of other people. you come up with something better and stop projecting.
In other words, you won't change your opinion in the face of contrary evidence. That is not an honest approach to take. Further, there are no scientists who say we came from monkeys. The evidence shows that apes and humans have a common ancestor.
Faith is the firm belief held by someone who was told by somebody else that something is true. Your beliefs are flimsy, or else why would you call it faith? The tentative mindset is the finest way to discovering truth, religious faith is gridlock.
there are plaenty of scientists who state that. apes and humans have a common creator which is God. you weren't born automatically knowing what evolution was. someone told you about it. the notion of faith is held by someone who was told by someone else that something is true. the fact that they stand firm of it, is whithin themselves. something they have done for themselves. people can speak of faith to someone else but not make them believe it.
Science does not work with the supernatural, it works only within the parameter of the natural world. If scientists accept God, that is a belief based on faith. It is not a scientific assessment.
Evolution is a proven fact, and that is why it can't be disproven. What you are advocating is keeping a closed mind, which results in a narrow mind. A truly moral and educated person is open to revision and persuasion.
Further, you did exactly as I predicted. Every time I explain or infer to a conservative what psychological projection is, they turn the meaning on its head and accuse me of it. It never fails. Projection comes from the insecure, and I am not insecure.
it is a proven fact that it is a theory and it has been disproven whether you like it or not. yes i am keeping a closed mind of things that i don't believe in. if that makes me narrow so be it. i'll be narrow all day long. "you are not insecure" i certainly wouldn't say that. i am not projecting. everytime someone is not afraid to disagree with or speak the truth you accuse them of projection. and yes it never fails but you only have yourself to thank.
Deliberately keeping a closed mind is a vice. You will never successfully justify it, no matter how many times your faith is invoked. The issue is not that you disagree with me, but HOW you disagree with me, with dishonesty.
like i said if standing strong in the truth makes closed minded then so be it. i rather be close minded with the truth than open minded to a lie. when or how i disagree with you is my choice i don't owe you any explanation.
And I'd rather be open minded with the truth, or what I think is the truth, than close minded with a lie. In one sense, everyone has the right to disagree, but on the other hand, it's immoral to go where your intellectual integrity doesn't take you. Your views on homosexuality, the Bible, and evolution are dishonestly held, and for this you should hang your head in shame.
yes thats right b/c i have faith. if i were to give up on God and put my faith in a man, i'd be a pure fool. man has disappointed me and has let me down, however God has not. if the issue is "b/c you can't see Him" well thats the point of faith. i've never seem austrailia ever but i'm sure it exists. i can't see my mother right now b/c i'm away at school, but that doesn't mean she's dead. plus with all of the hard times i've gone through no one but God could've helped me.
You don't get it. Because all you hold dear is based on faith in the Bible. That is what makes you a fool! The virtue of atheists is that they have this positive affirmation of man's ability to think for themselves. You should be pitied for it. Faith is not a virtue; it's a vice that constipates the brain.
no it does not. faith is something that gives people hope and a purpose to be on this earth. i don't want to "think for myself" b/c that's when the trouble comes. i want God to think for me b/c i know He will lead me in the right direction whereas if i try to do it myself, i would be a complete disaster. i'm sure life would be fun if i just wild out and do what i want. it would be easy. but it would be wrong. plus i know that my time here on earth is not forever.
You have confirmed what I stated before. There is no reason to believe your God is true. He's mythology. If you need to believe in fairy tales to give you hope and purpose, then religion is a crutch, and crutches are for cripples. Resourceful people don't need this garbage and can stand on their own two feet.
He's not mythology He is real and yes I do need Him for hope b/c if i don't have hope, i don't have anything. w/out God there is no reason to exist. it's not even about religion, it's about faith.
If your God was truly moral, he wouldn't condemn anyone to an eternal lake of fire. He would put the unworthy in an eternal sleep. Hell is a scare tactic, a control device, and I don't buy it.
God is God and He is moral. If God is giving people the chance to come to Him, to believe and serve Him, then thats what they should do. but if you reject Him and make it clear that you want nothing to do with Him, then you can be with Him. Hell is a punishment for not turning away from your sins and being a believer. i believe in loving people and not spreading hate.
Don't talk to me about hate. Your disdain for gay people is masked by your sanctimonious piety.
In Ephesians and 1Peter it says that everything that happens was preplanned before the world was created. If people sin, it's because God made them. Therefore, it's certainly is cruel to send souls to hell for doing what they can't help. See how absurd Christianity is?
Besides, we are getting off the beaten track. Your superstitions is not the issue at hand; the topic is homosexuality.
i didn't say anything about hate. those are your words not mine. my disdain is for the lifestyle not the person. God doesn't make anyone sin. people have the free will to do what they want. it is not God's fault. He has laid the principles and laws for people to follow. they either choose to obey or not to obey. the topic is homosexuality and i am explaining why i believe its wrong. it is b/c its not a part of my "superstitions" plan.
Sanctimonious bigots never own up to their hatred. You don't even know what you're talking about because homosexuality is not a lifestyle. If your God doesn't make people sin, then he can't be omnipotent. Your God is self-contradictory. The only reason why you believe homosexuality is wrong is because the Bible "says" it is and because you were told it is. This is an extremely weak argument and easy to devastate. Unfortunately, you Christers can't afford to admit defeat.
once again i am not hating. stop putting words in my mouth. homosexuality is a lifestyle. it is a sinful lifestyle b/c God did not intend homosexuality. this is not about defeating. i am not trying to defeat you but just explaining my belief. yes i was taught that homosexuality is wrong and God's Word confirms it as well. and maybe if i was raised to believe that it was okay, i would have grown believing that. but that still doesn't make it right. God intends for a man to be with a woman.
Homosexuality is NOT a lifestyle. If that's true then heterosexuality is a lifestyle. There is a gay couple living in a log cabin in Minnesota. There is a barfly in Massachusetts who loves the neon lights of city streets. I know a Catholic priest who's true to his vows of celibacy. Some gays were reclusive (Patrick White, Ludwig Wittgenstein, Patricia Highsmith) Others were highly gregarious (Rock Hudson, Truman Capote, Yukio Mishima). All different lifestyles. Question what you were taught.
homosexuality is a lifestyle. heterosexuality is what everyone is meant and were created to be. i think for myself. being a Christian is not just saying you are but it's about having your own relationship with God. i may have questions but it is not to question His authority. God is God and thats the bottom line.
BeatBuddy, you're absolutely right. I'll bet you that science will conclusively discover the gene/ hormonal fluctuations that cause homosexuality. Then, religious people will claim that it's "Bogus science."
Trying to reason with religious people is like running on a treadmill and expecting to get to work.
The wing nuts have already started. The National Association of Reparative Therapy (NARTH), which is to homosexuality what the Museum of Creation Science is to evolution, has written a tract, authored by a hack, noncredited therapist named Warren Throckmorton. The title of this treatise is, "The Myth of Homosexuality Among Animals." After reading Biological Exuberance, I predicted that conservatives would seek ways to discredit it. My prediction was on target.
You can't prove it IS. I won't try to convince you tho, because the grossly uneducated, ignorant, unteachable & clueless are just that. Therefore it's a waste of my time to try to convince you.
You're a liar too since all the aforementioned groups aren't "afraid" to say homosexuality is an illness at all. The matter's been well debated & the answer is written in stone @ this point: it's not a mental illness.
And what's really illogical is believing all those prof. groups r 2 afraid 2 say itis.
I was born gay and I'm glad that God made me that way. Anyone who believes gay people "choose" to be gay are simply ignorant, uneducated, and clueless. Usually these are Christians, but then again, rarely will you find a Christian who ISN'T ignorant, uneducated, and clueless.
What xtians and phobes don't realize about being gay is that there's much more to it than just sexual orientation. Take a gay person who's celibate for example -- they're still totally gay!
Because of all the little side benefits of being gay, you couldn't pay me enough to turn straight -- even if it was even possible to change your sexual orientation (and no, brainwashing at an xtian cult-camp doesn't count).
Homosexuality is not the problem... the problem is narrow-minded bigoted homophobic Christohet Supremacists who spread their evil and hatred and subversive views. This can apply to Muslims too since many of them are still living in the Dark Ages.
That's total baloney. There's not a single professional psychiatric, psychological, sociological, pediatric, legal or any other group that says it's a mental illness. The only people who think it's a mental illness are people who are grossly uneducated and completely ignorant of the most basic tenets of human sexuality.
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Gay people. Dispite being homosexual, they are still normal human beings like us. Just like thiefs, liars and adulters are still human beings.
Does a gay person ever say "Im gay because I choose to be!" No they DON'T! They will lie and try to convice you that they are not even accountable for being gay! That being gay is as normal as being straight. And that my friends is complete BS. Im a christian, and I dont care about what gays get upto, I only care about the few who can still be saved.
Here are some facts: 1. People don't choose to be gay. 2. The lying is in pretending to be straight. 3. The word normal is meaningless and used as the linchpin of oppression. Homosexuality is healthy and natural. 4. Christianity is superstition and there is no reason to believe it's true.
You will never be "saved" as long as you refuse to look at people straight in the face and see the topic for what it really is. Your faith impedes rational thought. Now do your homework.
nice video but I'm sorry to see so brainwashed people.... as long as religious fanatics exist nothing will change in this world, they need to educate themselves.
anyone who tries to look for truth, moral ot reason in the bible or any other man-made religious book really has a mental problem. it's not funny, it's tragic.
eiennosenshi 2 years ago
fuck kids under 18 years on youtube and homophobes and troll
gays, bis and lesbians are FOR THE WIN! :)
shairaptor 2 years ago
fuck gays bis lesbos and trannys lol
IHyRaXI 2 years ago
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Interesting how sperm that enter a females body in the right place don't cause harm....maybe because we were designed that way. God made sex and has rules for it- you don't want to go by the rules, then you suffer the consequences. He knows better than you. Look at AIDS, and all the other diseases that are Sexually transmitted. There is a reason for this. He knows what is best for us- He made us! WAKE UP!
rjg7782 2 years ago
AIDS is transmitted by unsafe sex with infected persons. There are countless instances when a sperm fertilizes the egg, and still got AIDS. And monogamous gay couples do not contract it.
You are just another example of homophobic bigotry.
BeatBuddy 2 years ago 7
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....never harm society....oh please. Did you know that homosexuality is extremely unhealthy....Sperm contain only half of your DNA and was not designed to be in the body other than where God designed it to be. The homosexual lifestyle causes your body to go autoimmune (attacks the sperm cells it detects as foreign and unwelcome). The anus is not meant for such activity- Ruptured rectums and other complications are results. The sperm permeate the rectum and enter the body- not good.
rjg7782 2 years ago
Why is it that when you mention heterosexuality, everyone thinks of relationships, but when you mention homosexuality, they think of anal sex? Stop being stupid. Homosexuality IS healthy, and this I know as a FACT!!!
BeatBuddy 2 years ago 8
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The flagellar motor is an example of what Darwin didn't know and would have acknowledged if he had gotten to see it. You can spew off a bunch of mutations all day long, but who's your source? Even if some mutation makes one vulnerable to homosexual attraction, it is no less sin to give in to it. We all know alcoholism is genetic too, right? Does that mean you have to be drunken all the time? No, there are non- drinking alcoholics that overcome it every day. gay = ABOMINATION
rjg7782 2 years ago
We live in a fallen creation. According to evolution, the mutations MUST be beneficial and MUST be introducing NEW information. All of the mutations you describe are a LOSS of information, not NEW information. This is evidence of a fallen creation that is losing information, not gaining. Evolution is so easy to prove false. Especially with the microscope. If Darwin had a microscope, he would have blown his own theory away.
rjg7782 2 years ago
"Christians must move on" Why just point the finger at Christians when literally every Religion threw out history have taught that Homosexuality is wrong?
And I swear he was reading all that off his computer lol
IBamboozledyou 3 years ago
Do you criticize newscasters for reading off of teleprompters? Big deal. My channel, I'll read if I choose to.
And my finger doesn't only wag at the Christians. You are absolutely correct in that most religions have some part to blame. But as I live in America and it's my country I'm presently concerned with (seeing as the Bush administration is nearly a theocracy), I talk about Christianity.
Trenholmes 3 years ago
I wasnt Criticizing, was just a observation no harm intended.
Dont worry Obama will be taking over soon!! Well I think soon lol
IBamboozledyou 3 years ago 2
Fair enough. Let's both hope for a better future.
Trenholmes 3 years ago
Indeed have a bit of Conditional Faith ^_^
IBamboozledyou 3 years ago
Actually, any mention of homosexuality is found only in the Abrahamic tradition, all without any rational basis. The Qur'an, for example, states that Sodom is where homosexuality began. Anyone knowledgable on the subject of sexuality knows that this is pure bunk. I have searched Buddhism, Hinduism, Taoism, Confuncianism, etc and homosexuality is nowhere mentioned. To say that all religions condemn it is mere wishful thinking from those who want to strenghten their bigotry.
BeatBuddy 3 years ago 3
Even if every religion that has ever existed condemned homosexuality, they would still be wrong. What is essential, what only can suffice, is a RATIONAL explanation why homosexuality does harm. Simply echoing a religious passage means nothing; it must have some verifiable backing.
BeatBuddy 3 years ago
No not ALL religions have taught it to be wrong, just lots of them have. Well hell, in lots of different countries & religions, they treat women quite wrong & regard them as weak & fragile (slaves) just like they do gays, yet women are the barriers of life...
Goes to show that 95% of the world is incorrect. Hopefully people will grow out of their ignorant mindsets.
wonderful4life 3 years ago
hehe :)
shairaptor 3 years ago
you rule! =)
shairaptor 3 years ago
Humans are not fish! Homosexuality is not part of our evolution. Are your resources reliable resources? Justification is not how you solve a problem that is a choice. Homosexuals have been fighting for rights for a long time. "Actually not really!" Being gay is a punishment to oneself. Being intimate with the same sex is physically wrong. That's why boy's have a penis and girls have a vagina. Your research is full of opinions and hearsay. Make your point related to humans not fish!
originalgreenrooster 3 years ago
Humans are animals (= mammals), strange animals, agreed, but still. Did you know that many heterosexual couples enjoy anal and oral sex? And 1500 (highly developed) species on the planet do gay sex? So much for physically wrong, unnatural, unnormal etc.
shairaptor 3 years ago
The only way humans are considered animals is if you believe in evolution. Evolution has not be proven beyond a resonable doubt. Just because you may enjoy something doesn't make it right. thieves love to steal, killer's love to kill, rapist love to rape, and they all enjoy what they do. Homosexuals enjoy sodomy. Hmmm!
originalgreenrooster 3 years ago
So long as nobody is hurt, everything is right.
Do killers "hurt" somebody? Yes!
Do homosexuals hurt somebody? No!
It's really that simple. And don't come up with the bible, or do you believe in a 2000 year old fairy tale book, written by old men, believing in some invisible men in the sky?
And for the record, I was raised quite religiously, I made an exam in religious education. I believe in a creator, but not like the bible tells me. I have a brain! I can think for myself.
shairaptor 3 years ago
Actually homosexuals do hurt someone. Their partners rectum. Why do you think some places sell butt pluggs. It is not because everyone needs them. Besides if a homosexual likes to walk around smelling like poop that's his business. Who was talking about religion? Sounds like someone is feeling guilty about something! I never said anything about religion in either of my statements. (nodding head) You need to pay closer attention to detail instead of blurting out, "BLAH, BLAH, BLAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!"
originalgreenrooster 3 years ago 2
Ok, sorry about that. No religion talk then :)
But many heterosexual couples have anal sex. Man plugging his stick into women, and both enjoy it.
How is your sex life then? Vanilla sex? Wow, congratulations. Boring! And you seem to live in the 15th century. I thought in the 21st century people wouldn't be so backwards.
One more thing: I'm gay, but anal sex isn't something for me. But I at least respect all people, hetero or homo, who enjoy that. Ok, can we move onwards to other subjects?
shairaptor 3 years ago
LOL! You are very humble to admit your wrong... My sex life is wonderful! The 21st century is full of perverse people. There's no ammo with the 21st century statement. I already knew you where gay. I was not putting you or homosexuals down. I just believe in man with woman. I get confused with homosexuals who claim they where born that way. Kind of makes fun of people who are actually born with a deficiency. What are gay rights anyway? Being gay is not a race! How about hetero rights? lol, funny
originalgreenrooster 3 years ago
Well if your sex life is wonderful... I doubt it. Because if it was, you would just say: "I don't care what other people do. I'm happy with my girl. And gays can do what they want, I'm perfectly okay with that."
Moreover, you wouldn't run around in Youtube and tell other people you're frustrated about that. Abandon your prejudices.
shairaptor 3 years ago
Bigotry is a chameleon, isn't it! Homosexuality, in the bad old days, was deemed a sin for being an unatural transgression of God's design. When the behavioral sciences began to develope, it became of mental illness. Now that has been proven false, and evidence shows it's biological, it's now a deficiency! You guys just can't your heads out of sewer. Homosexuality is a healthy and natural state of being that doesn't need to be altered, cured, or infused with guilty notions of sin. PERIOD!!!
BeatBuddy 3 years ago 8
You were homeschooled weren't you? I give up. You win. Thanks for the chat...
originalgreenrooster 3 years ago
if ur gay and u dont do anal then what the fuck do u do u handicap?
azazimi 3 years ago
thats none of ur business you dipshit. and btw do you really think being gay is just about fucking and doing anal sex all the time? fuckhead! I have a wonderful sexlife. I bet you don't even have a girlfriend (if ur straight at all) muahaha!
shairaptor 3 years ago
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then what the fuck is it about u cum swallower
go suck a fuckin horses dick bitch that mite fulfill ur muthafuckin filthy needs u horny ass bastard
u state u have a wonerful sexlife then what is it u do?
what u go around giving homos blowjobs?
and wtf does me having a girlfirend have to do with this??? FAGG QUEER COCKSUCKER
azazimi 3 years ago
ROFL! Oooh, how cute. So many insults on one place. Listen son, isn't it rather wasteful to use one's entire vocabulary in one single sentence?
When you grow up kid, you'll see that education would have done something good for you.
Now get yourself a girl friend and foremost get a life. :D
shairaptor 3 years ago
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actually no i can go on all day insulting your bitchass and i still wont have enough cocksucker!!!
and as for the whole education, you talk about it so i assume u have one but too bad its not doing u any good, u suck dick! and get anal!...from guys!
and in the end look who the fuck is saying go get yourself a girlfriend...simply, sad is the conclusion to your situation and sentences.
GO GET YOURSELF A BOYFRIEND...AND SUCK HIS COCK, AND THEN GO RAISE AN ORPHAN,WITH TWO DADS AS HIS GUARDIAN..
azazimi 3 years ago
Yup. That's exactly what I'm gonna do. :)
Have a nice life, you moron!
shairaptor 3 years ago
fuck u bitch suck your dads cock
your parents are morons for rasising an insect like u
wheres the parasite?
azazimi 3 years ago
you and your family should fly to Mars and stay there muahaha
shairaptor 3 years ago
You think about cocksucking more than gay men do. I'm beginning to wonder about you.
BeatBuddy 3 years ago 3
That's like saying that straight guys spend all of their time licking pussy.
BeatBuddy 3 years ago 3
everything is natural then, murder, killing etc :) thanks !
daxtro5 3 years ago
lol yes :) it's natural, but ethnically wrong
shairaptor 3 years ago
"We could need even more homosexuals to control population / regulate overpopulation. There are _too many_ heterosexuals producing too many human babies. In fact we need more animal babies". Hm, hehe, that's actually a quote from someone else on Youtube, but I found it very interesting and cool and thought I should spread the word.
shairaptor 3 years ago
P.S. Ok agreed, so we need more babies in the Western world! And less (or to be more precise: better education and more wealth) in the third world countries.
shairaptor 3 years ago
Great video! Whatever happens in nature is by definition natural. Homosexual conduct happens in nature. Therefore, homosexual conduct is natural. it really is that simple.
shairaptor 3 years ago
Of course. Morality is a human conception. It means nothing in nature. But that doesn't make morality an imaginary thing. Morality definitely guides our lives, it's part of our evolution. What I'm saying is that homosexuality is not immoral or unnatural. And it is not immoral precisely because it is a state that occurs between consenting adults unlike rape, murder, etc.
Trenholmes 3 years ago
"Homosexuality is all natural"
So is murder, rape, thieft, lying....
RetSquid 3 years ago
I agree, those things are indeed natural. The difference is that murder, rape, and sometimes lying affect the will of another without their consent. That makes those three acts ethically reprehensible.
Trenholmes 3 years ago
Your village called they are missing their idiot. Better get back home. LOL!
justthenumbers 3 years ago
I'll let them know you're on your way.
Trenholmes 3 years ago
Homosexuals arew not driven by love, they are driven by "LUST" if they were driven by love, they would love a woman as much and love God even more! Love has nothing to do with the lust of homosexuality! Repent and give your life to Jesus he will forgive you, clean you up and change your life!
gilbertd2174 3 years ago
Spare me your fundamentalist condescension. You continue believing that a talking snake fooled a rib-woman into persuading her partner into eating a magical fruit resulting in expulsion, by a holy ghost, from a magical land.
Keep buying that that a 900-year old man had saved all the species of a planet, from a world-wide deluge ,aboard a giant ship. keep believing that a "Compassionate" God would destroy entire cities and nations, just to make the point that he is almighty.
I rest my case
antidote2010 3 years ago
From one Gilbert to another, your comment betrays the fact that you never looked at gays as people with basic human needs, but as sinners. The fact remains, gay relationships are just as deep, just as diverse, and just as complex as heterosexual relationships. Love is a biological as well as an emotional need, and if it were true that gays were incapable of it, you would see them banging down doors crying for help, but this is not the case. Many of us, such as we members of PFLAG, know better.
BeatBuddy 3 years ago
Do you know a "clitoris" is a small penis! And a overgrown clitoris is abnormal like a 6 finger hand. This is evidence that woman came from man. Read the book of Genesis chapter 1-2 and you will see he made one man and one woman to co habitate, dominate & procreate. God did not make adam & steve, it was Adam & Eve!
gilbertd2174 3 years ago
A perfect example of how religion uses conjecture, to further their agendas. If I go by your logic, I would cite the existence of the male nipple (a non-functional feature) as proof that women came before men...
After all, who am I to debate with someone who believes that a rib-woman was tricked into persuading her partner to eat from a forbidden fruit, which caused a holy ghost to expel them from a magical land...
Makes perfect sense!
antidote2010 3 years ago
A child with a rudimentary knowledge of science can read Genesis and realize that it's absolute bunk. If Adam and Eve is your bottom line of defense, then you don't have a case, because they never existed.
BeatBuddy 3 years ago
Aids was called a homosexual disease before it was called aids. It is a fact that the penis is not suppose to go into the anus. There are many diseases as the result. These diseases has a social affect upon heterosexuals. So it is a lie that homosexuality does not affect society.
gilbertd2174 3 years ago
Whoa! Hold back there! What makes you think that anal sex is an exclusively homosexual practise? What makes you think that all gays are into it? Tastes in sex practises vary enormously among gay men as well as lesbians. Evidently you never watched straight porno. There's even an excellent straight video on YouTube called Do You Take It Up The Ass. Fact: homosexuals and heterosexuals engage in the same sex acts.
Again, you see nothing beyond the carnal dimension. Stop the excuse-mongering!
BeatBuddy 3 years ago
BeatBuddy : I never said that anal sex is an exclusive homosexual act - you presumed that! I made a general statement about anal sex and I spoke of all! I stopped practicing anal sex within a heterosexual relatioships because it is unclean and cause disease.
gilbertd2174 3 years ago
If practiced with adequate protection, it does not "Cause disease." If you protect yourself 100% of the time, then there won't be a disease passed on to begin with. It is the LACK OF PROTECTION that spreads disease, not being homosexual or anal sex.
If I go by your erroneous statements, then vaginal sex is "Unclean," and should not be practiced. After all, a man can get a litany of venereal diseases from tapping pussy, without protection...
gilbertd2127, you make monumental logical errors.
antidote2010 3 years ago
antidote2010 : "If" aka chance - this is like saying if i have 2 bullets in a gun it will not kill me if the gun does not shoot the other six. Yes you are playing russian roulette with your life!...
gilbertd2174 3 years ago
I just stated that protection is crucial, in terms of preventing diseases. What "Russian Roulette" are you referring to? Stop slapping preconceived Biblical notions upon me. You don't know me; let's make that very clear.
Contrary to many religious folks; venereal diseases are not inherently-linked to being homosexual; they are contracted and spread by reckless behavior and promiscuity. Correct me if I'm wrong, but many straight people contract STD's as well.
Knowledge is power!
antidote2010 3 years ago
We were dealing with homosexuals here!
gilbertd2174 3 years ago
"a man can get a litany of venereal diseases from tapping pussy, without protection..."
LOL Tell me about it! Did you serve in the military? I did. Almost every man in my unit contracted STDs, and a large portion of them were married.
BeatBuddy 3 years ago
Here's what Wesman3810 said to me:"i would like you to come to church with me some time jesus will cure you i have seen many demons cast out. yours will be the same 104 church st cumberland ky usa 6.00 pm on sundays on radio hill"
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Now, can you expect to debate with, and get somewhere with these people?
antidote2010 3 years ago
Debate seems impossible. Reminds me of the pastor who said that Satan planted fossils in the earth to lead mankind astray. How does a rational person argue with this? It's unfortunate that we can't travel through time; I would send Wesman3810 to the 11th Century where, oooops!, I mean when he belongs.
BeatBuddy 3 years ago
That's original! Never heard that one before. Usually, they try to say that those animals coexisted with humans, a few thousand years ago.
According to some Fundies, The Flintstones' Bedrock, may not be that much of a stretch of imagination...LMAO
antidote2010 3 years ago
Sexuality is just a single aspect of GLBT people. It is not all-defining. However, you and your church cohorts misrepresents us as being all about sex, and sinning and promiscuity. There are many other dimensions about us, that you fail to mention.
I can see right through your agendas. It is to dehumanize us, and gain leverage to judge and ostracize us. Too bad that you don't take the time to really understand the diversity of human beings. But then again, it's too much to ask from a Fundie.
antidote2010 3 years ago
The problem is "THEY ARE ALL ANIMALS" when we do what animals do we become as low as animals. He just brought man to the level of animals.
gilbertd2174 3 years ago
Homosexuality doesn't lower anything, but if you denigrate people for being gay, you lower yourself. A straight shrink was right when he said, "homosexuality is what each individual makes of it." I find the Orwellian doublespeak very amusing. The enemies of gay rights argue that homosexuality is not found in animals because EVEN they know better. But when this claim is shown false, they turn the issue around and say we're not animals! But WE ARE animals, whether you choose to admit it or not.
BeatBuddy 3 years ago
If we shouldn't do what animals do, does this mean we shouldn't eat, sleep, sweat, piss, fart, and shit? BTW, animals reproduce; does that mean we shouldn't?
BeatBuddy 3 years ago
If we shouldn't do what animals do, does this mean we shouldn't eat, sleep, sweat, piss, fart, and shit? BTW, animals reproduce; does that mean we shouldn't?
antidote2010 3 years ago
antidote2010 : So, to you we are animals and should live as animals? Also, whats the difference between people and ANIMLAS? also, there are animals that eat there feces & they eat there dead and abnormal born, why not do the same?
gilbertd2174 3 years ago
I didn't say, "We should live as animals." I said that sexual attraction is an instinct, just like a mother protects her child from harm.
The only attribute that distinguishes us from animals is that we can reason on a higher level than animals. That's why we don't live like animals do.
Sexuality is a biological urge from within; and if you claim that it's "Spiritual," then you are disingenuous and pretentious.
You don't wake up one day and say, "I think I'll choose to like penis today.."
antidote2010 3 years ago
you said that there is difference from us and animals. If reasoning (will & logic) is the difference, then would not that mean we should not live by instinct (animal nature of attraction & desire)but we should live by choice!
gilbertd2174 3 years ago
Yes, we can choose to ignore our attraction to the same sex. However, we would not be able to choose to be attracted to the opposite sex. In other words, we would be living a lie by denying our sexuality.
You can perform exorcisms, baptisms, holy dances, blessings me in divine tongues, spray me with holy water, beat me with a cross, and hang me upside down from a bridge. At the end of the day, I will still be attracted to men. LMAO
antidote2010 3 years ago
What you are describing is called "perversion" or "unrestrained perverted desires" yes, without self control & spiritual fortitude inside, you will desire the opposite sex and choose to feed that desire. I am a man and I hate the smell, touch, or the thought of another man. i am actually repelled from the body odors of men, yet a woman's body odor (hormones) attract me. Why is it that I only love women. Here is why-God made me that way and to live any other way is against the laws of nature!
gilbertd2174 3 years ago
You hate the smell, touch or thought of another man, because you're STRAIGHT! So, you've proven my point. We don't choose our sexual orientation; it is predetermined!
Thanks for proving my point!
antidote2010 3 years ago
Every behavioral and biological scientist worth his or her salt knows that the study of animals (phrenology) is essential in gaining a better understanding on the nature of man. Fundamentalists can't seem to grasp that tiny bit of common sense.
BeatBuddy 3 years ago
I find Fundies to be so easy to debate. I annihilate them with rhetorical dexterity, time and time again. When they are cornered, they resort to reciting passages and the same-old, tired platitudes. It's as if--by quoting from a 1500-year old book--they feel as if they've proven their case.
antidote2010 3 years ago
You are brilliant! I have saved this video to my favorites.
antidote2010 3 years ago
Get that tick off your face dude.
fooslkeeper 3 years ago
Tick? Where the fuck is his neck?
adventuretimes 3 years ago
Years ago there was no such thing as homosexuality and it was looked down on. Funny how there were also less AIDS at that time. And now look, you all are squabbling in an effort to promote homosexuality. Your just an insult to humanity.
serrulius1 3 years ago
how many years ago? 1000000000 yrs?
You are truly deluded if you think there hasn't been homo's around since the dawn of mankind. Theres been gay bars around for at least 120 yrs.
Westb0r0church 3 years ago
"Years ago there was no such thing as homosexuality"
LOL!! Are you really this stupid? If there was no such thing, then why does the Bible mention it? I'll go even further; the oldest known work of literature was found in Sumeria on clay tablets. Why does this mention it? And the ancient Greeks? Being abudantly found in animals, doesn't this mean that it existed before man evolved? Homosexuality is a natural state of being, asshole. And prior to Christianity, it was NOT looked down upon.
BeatBuddy 3 years ago
Funnily enough, I have not and never will ever waste my time reading the Bible. Religion needs to be abolished.
What made me laugh more was the quote "homosexuality is a natural state of being". Are you really this much of a retard, or do you always walk around with your eyes closed? It is disgusting eitherway however much you attempt to claim it "natural". Please, save me energy and do not reply to this comment, you are an embarrassment and a waste of oxygen.
serrulius1 3 years ago
Do you think I make these assertions out of the clear blue sky? You think Trenholmes and I are the only ones who argue that homosexuality is natural? Have you tried NOVA and National Geographic? (available on YouTube.)
Disgust isn't an argument because that's wholly subjective according to the temperaments of individuals. Homosexuality is disgusting because you have a cryptic view of it. Lots of gay men find an open vagina to penetrate extremely disgusting. Further, your bigotry disgusts me.
BeatBuddy 3 years ago
serrulius1, just be cause you find it, "Disgusting," does not justify homosexuality being considered morally-wrong. Your view is subjective; it is not universal. It perpetuates ignorance, animosity and homophobia.
antidote2010 3 years ago
Brilliant!*****
Westb0r0church 3 years ago
i also forgot to say that all sinners not just not just homo people will go to hell. and truly all you have to do is ask god for forgiveness of your sinful actions. jesus has won the judgement thrown over for us. if you repent with all your heart and soul he will forgive. it may be hard for some. but rememver it is a war for youheart and mind. and the world you live in is fallen (not in original state it was created in and humanity is not helping)
ninnzbinnz 3 years ago
This video is a scientific examination of homosexuality, not about your harmful superstition.
BeatBuddy 3 years ago
i take it you havent had a look at my channel?
all the creation clips are scientific.
ninnzbinnz 3 years ago
I'll check it out, but I suspect they are psuedo-scientific.
BeatBuddy 3 years ago
You are an idiot Im afraid. You just cant get it through your brainwashed skull, that this sinning/jesus/repentance/myth has nothing to do with the genetic make up & evolution of our species. The bible is only a book of recycled stories that have been around for 10,000 yrs. I'm sure you've seen Zeitgeist, yet you CHOOSE to believe your god is different to all the others that history recorded. Same birthdays, same virgin births etc etc. You are worshipping & praying to the sun!LOL
Westb0r0church 3 years ago
well so you say. the only thing psuedo-scientific is the theory of evolution. the only evidence for it is in the text books. while in reality we have no fossil record exibiting any evolution at all. as for the bible its the most archeologicaly correct book in the world that we have left from ancient times.
ninnzbinnz 3 years ago
Oh yes we do have fossils, exhibiting the process of evolution. What planet are you from? The Bible, however, is a book fraught with violence and improbable myths such as talking snakes and magical fruits.
antidote2010 3 years ago
May Quetzacoatl bless you my son.
BeatBuddy 3 years ago
i happen to beleive in creation and purpose.
check my channel and you tell me what you think. you welcome
ninnzbinnz 3 years ago
In other words, if you accept homosexuality you have no sense of purpose. This is a non-sequitur.
BeatBuddy 3 years ago
not so. when i was 5 and had no god in my knowledge my grandmah said something about 2 women being together without the detail and i said that downright stupid. same goes for the men. i was 5 and had no education in the matter. u can say all you like but i still think this way. and you can think your way. but i told you its not in your best interests to do so. cause we all got a soul and a creator. besides you would be better pleased with a women in every aspect of the word.
ninnzbinnz 3 years ago
"you would be better pleased with a women in every aspect of the word."
This is sheer heterosexual arrogance. The fact remains that there are millions of gay people who have tried to conform to this social expectation, but to no avail. It results in hurt, divorce, and devasted emotions. It's time to put your arrogance aside and look into the face of reality.
BeatBuddy 3 years ago
if a boy asks me about why he has a dick and balls and girls dont i will explain what the obvious use for that is. but i wont force them in class to listen to anything about it. its not the schools job to do that. you people are like down syndrome your there but you shor as heck aint doing anyone any good.
and in a lot of cases its just sheer perversion and has nothing to do with hormones or anything of that sort. just for the record even men who do women in the rear are fumessed up.
ninnzbinnz 3 years ago
You people come in here with your preconceived prejudices and assume you have something to teach. Why don't you listen to what Trenholms is saying in both of his videos? What you call opinion is merely condescension. Perversion is a moralistic tone used by the ignorant; in medical circles the word used is variant. If homosexuality is a perversion, then you must be able to explain how it adversely manifest itself, and this you cannot do without stereotyping and echoing myths.
BeatBuddy 3 years ago
why not tell the kids the truth that. men do each other in the hole and then lets see what they say. and all the other things that homos do. but no they even call it gay a word that means happy. which you are not. most gay stuff stems from hate. and if simply because you like someone doesnt mean you have to bang them in the rear hole. thats just sick in the head stuff.
ninnzbinnz 3 years ago
If you told kids the truth they would be taught about the value of committed relationships, that gay people are humans with basic needs, and that they fall in love. They would see beyond carnal activity. You are suffering from a highly myopic point of view. Gay "stuff" does not spring from hate. On the contrary, the "truth" that you would give to kids is nothing but hate. Children need to be protected from your kind.
BeatBuddy 3 years ago
does not spring from hate then why even in gay tolerant cities are they so self abusive and suffer more then the rest of the population per head count. these are the stats. also why did a gay guy from 16 get married in his 30 and rays kids. he said he never tried a women so he staied gay. see how your suposed truth destroys life. you do better to shut your mouths and let people be. and if you dont you deserve every bit of hate you get
ninnzbinnz 3 years ago
every wandered how one group of cats fed a cooked diet turned gay and how the other cats fed on raw diet did not turn gay. its all about brain chemistry. wether diet polution or drugs or brain deformaty or damage its here but its not normal. im not going to kill you but i think you shouldnt educate kids who dont even know about the sex thing, on what to do or not do. leave them be. you can keep your life but keep it to yourself.
ninnzbinnz 3 years ago
Make a deal with gay people. If they promise to keep their homosexualities under wraps, that is, to themselves, then you must promise to do the same with your sexuality. See how much you like it.
BeatBuddy 3 years ago
I feel that the only change in homosexuality is your butt, and your butts muscles.
fullmetaladv 3 years ago
Wow! This guy knows it all!! He convince me already. Lets all be gay. Horaaaayyyyyyy!!
GUALLACOL 3 years ago
You're already gay. You just haven't realized it yet.
BeatBuddy 3 years ago
You are absolutely right! Yes, I'm gay, horaaaaaaayyyy!! I don't like guys, I like women!!! Yeah!!!
GUALLACOL 3 years ago
Sorry, I misunderstood. I didn't know that you're a lesbian.
BeatBuddy 3 years ago
no she chose to be gay, you just haven't accepted it yet.
asianpersuasion08 3 years ago
What are you doing, exploring my favorites?
She didn't choose to be gay because I know better. 800 gays I have talked with. But I've seen self-deception rear it's ugly head, and this self-deception comes about because they live in an ambiance of people like you. This insistence that homosexuality is a choice is not scientific; it is politically motivated. Bigots know that people are far more likely to support gays if they know homosexuality is not a choice.
BeatBuddy 3 years ago
whether i am or not isn't the point.gays are in self deception believing that homosexuality is who they are when it is not. it's a sinful nature. people like you know that gays are more likely to change and know the real and only truth when they know that homosexuality is a choice. a very wrong and misguiding choice.
asianpersuasion08 3 years ago
You are very insistent, but keep insisting because you are factually wrong, dead wrong. You are the ones who are self-decpetive because you can't accept facts that undermine your paradigms. Proven homosexuality in animals is a case in point. Besides, I noticed that those who insist homosexuality is a choice also reject evolution. Sinful nature has no meaning for Trenholmes and me; both of us are atheists and find the concept preposterous. Come up with something better. And stop projecting.
BeatBuddy 3 years ago
evolution is a belief. now i do believe that there are a lot of animals are similar and related and resemble each other at times, but in no way do i believe that i came from a monkey. God created me not a monkey or anything else. and yes i will not accept theories that undermine my faith b/c i believe my faith is true. sinful nature has meaning to me and a lot of other people. you come up with something better and stop projecting.
asianpersuasion08 3 years ago
In other words, you won't change your opinion in the face of contrary evidence. That is not an honest approach to take. Further, there are no scientists who say we came from monkeys. The evidence shows that apes and humans have a common ancestor.
Faith is the firm belief held by someone who was told by somebody else that something is true. Your beliefs are flimsy, or else why would you call it faith? The tentative mindset is the finest way to discovering truth, religious faith is gridlock.
BeatBuddy 3 years ago
there are plaenty of scientists who state that. apes and humans have a common creator which is God. you weren't born automatically knowing what evolution was. someone told you about it. the notion of faith is held by someone who was told by someone else that something is true. the fact that they stand firm of it, is whithin themselves. something they have done for themselves. people can speak of faith to someone else but not make them believe it.
asianpersuasion08 3 years ago
Science does not work with the supernatural, it works only within the parameter of the natural world. If scientists accept God, that is a belief based on faith. It is not a scientific assessment.
BeatBuddy 3 years ago
Evolution is a proven fact, and that is why it can't be disproven. What you are advocating is keeping a closed mind, which results in a narrow mind. A truly moral and educated person is open to revision and persuasion.
Further, you did exactly as I predicted. Every time I explain or infer to a conservative what psychological projection is, they turn the meaning on its head and accuse me of it. It never fails. Projection comes from the insecure, and I am not insecure.
BeatBuddy 3 years ago
it is a proven fact that it is a theory and it has been disproven whether you like it or not. yes i am keeping a closed mind of things that i don't believe in. if that makes me narrow so be it. i'll be narrow all day long. "you are not insecure" i certainly wouldn't say that. i am not projecting. everytime someone is not afraid to disagree with or speak the truth you accuse them of projection. and yes it never fails but you only have yourself to thank.
asianpersuasion08 3 years ago
Deliberately keeping a closed mind is a vice. You will never successfully justify it, no matter how many times your faith is invoked. The issue is not that you disagree with me, but HOW you disagree with me, with dishonesty.
BeatBuddy 3 years ago
like i said if standing strong in the truth makes closed minded then so be it. i rather be close minded with the truth than open minded to a lie. when or how i disagree with you is my choice i don't owe you any explanation.
asianpersuasion08 3 years ago
And I'd rather be open minded with the truth, or what I think is the truth, than close minded with a lie. In one sense, everyone has the right to disagree, but on the other hand, it's immoral to go where your intellectual integrity doesn't take you. Your views on homosexuality, the Bible, and evolution are dishonestly held, and for this you should hang your head in shame.
BeatBuddy 3 years ago
but i won't b/c i am not ashamed of my faith. if you don't like my views that's your issue not mine.
asianpersuasion08 3 years ago
Clinging to a faith that constipates the brain is NEVER something to be proud of.
BeatBuddy 3 years ago
well i'm proud of it and always will be. God is someone i will ALWAYS be proud of.
asianpersuasion08 3 years ago
LOL! He doesn't even exist!!! But you "know" he's there because you have faith, right? You Christians are absurd.
BeatBuddy 3 years ago
yes thats right b/c i have faith. if i were to give up on God and put my faith in a man, i'd be a pure fool. man has disappointed me and has let me down, however God has not. if the issue is "b/c you can't see Him" well thats the point of faith. i've never seem austrailia ever but i'm sure it exists. i can't see my mother right now b/c i'm away at school, but that doesn't mean she's dead. plus with all of the hard times i've gone through no one but God could've helped me.
asianpersuasion08 3 years ago
You don't get it. Because all you hold dear is based on faith in the Bible. That is what makes you a fool! The virtue of atheists is that they have this positive affirmation of man's ability to think for themselves. You should be pitied for it. Faith is not a virtue; it's a vice that constipates the brain.
BeatBuddy 3 years ago
no it does not. faith is something that gives people hope and a purpose to be on this earth. i don't want to "think for myself" b/c that's when the trouble comes. i want God to think for me b/c i know He will lead me in the right direction whereas if i try to do it myself, i would be a complete disaster. i'm sure life would be fun if i just wild out and do what i want. it would be easy. but it would be wrong. plus i know that my time here on earth is not forever.
asianpersuasion08 3 years ago
You have confirmed what I stated before. There is no reason to believe your God is true. He's mythology. If you need to believe in fairy tales to give you hope and purpose, then religion is a crutch, and crutches are for cripples. Resourceful people don't need this garbage and can stand on their own two feet.
BeatBuddy 3 years ago
He's not mythology He is real and yes I do need Him for hope b/c if i don't have hope, i don't have anything. w/out God there is no reason to exist. it's not even about religion, it's about faith.
asianpersuasion08 3 years ago
That's sad.
If Christianity is still around several thousand years from now, it won't be because it's true, but because people are pathetic.
BeatBuddy 3 years ago
no it will be around b/c Christ still lives and people will still have the chance to accept Him.
asianpersuasion08 3 years ago
If your God was truly moral, he wouldn't condemn anyone to an eternal lake of fire. He would put the unworthy in an eternal sleep. Hell is a scare tactic, a control device, and I don't buy it.
BeatBuddy 3 years ago
God is God and He is moral. If God is giving people the chance to come to Him, to believe and serve Him, then thats what they should do. but if you reject Him and make it clear that you want nothing to do with Him, then you can be with Him. Hell is a punishment for not turning away from your sins and being a believer. i believe in loving people and not spreading hate.
asianpersuasion08 3 years ago
Don't talk to me about hate. Your disdain for gay people is masked by your sanctimonious piety.
In Ephesians and 1Peter it says that everything that happens was preplanned before the world was created. If people sin, it's because God made them. Therefore, it's certainly is cruel to send souls to hell for doing what they can't help. See how absurd Christianity is?
Besides, we are getting off the beaten track. Your superstitions is not the issue at hand; the topic is homosexuality.
BeatBuddy 3 years ago
i didn't say anything about hate. those are your words not mine. my disdain is for the lifestyle not the person. God doesn't make anyone sin. people have the free will to do what they want. it is not God's fault. He has laid the principles and laws for people to follow. they either choose to obey or not to obey. the topic is homosexuality and i am explaining why i believe its wrong. it is b/c its not a part of my "superstitions" plan.
asianpersuasion08 3 years ago
Sanctimonious bigots never own up to their hatred. You don't even know what you're talking about because homosexuality is not a lifestyle. If your God doesn't make people sin, then he can't be omnipotent. Your God is self-contradictory. The only reason why you believe homosexuality is wrong is because the Bible "says" it is and because you were told it is. This is an extremely weak argument and easy to devastate. Unfortunately, you Christers can't afford to admit defeat.
BeatBuddy 3 years ago
once again i am not hating. stop putting words in my mouth. homosexuality is a lifestyle. it is a sinful lifestyle b/c God did not intend homosexuality. this is not about defeating. i am not trying to defeat you but just explaining my belief. yes i was taught that homosexuality is wrong and God's Word confirms it as well. and maybe if i was raised to believe that it was okay, i would have grown believing that. but that still doesn't make it right. God intends for a man to be with a woman.
asianpersuasion08 3 years ago
Homosexuality is NOT a lifestyle. If that's true then heterosexuality is a lifestyle. There is a gay couple living in a log cabin in Minnesota. There is a barfly in Massachusetts who loves the neon lights of city streets. I know a Catholic priest who's true to his vows of celibacy. Some gays were reclusive (Patrick White, Ludwig Wittgenstein, Patricia Highsmith) Others were highly gregarious (Rock Hudson, Truman Capote, Yukio Mishima). All different lifestyles. Question what you were taught.
BeatBuddy 3 years ago
homosexuality is a lifestyle. heterosexuality is what everyone is meant and were created to be. i think for myself. being a Christian is not just saying you are but it's about having your own relationship with God. i may have questions but it is not to question His authority. God is God and thats the bottom line.
asianpersuasion08 3 years ago
BeatBuddy, you're absolutely right. I'll bet you that science will conclusively discover the gene/ hormonal fluctuations that cause homosexuality. Then, religious people will claim that it's "Bogus science."
Trying to reason with religious people is like running on a treadmill and expecting to get to work.
antidote2010 3 years ago
The wing nuts have already started. The National Association of Reparative Therapy (NARTH), which is to homosexuality what the Museum of Creation Science is to evolution, has written a tract, authored by a hack, noncredited therapist named Warren Throckmorton. The title of this treatise is, "The Myth of Homosexuality Among Animals." After reading Biological Exuberance, I predicted that conservatives would seek ways to discredit it. My prediction was on target.
BeatBuddy 3 years ago
Enjoyed the video. Really great. Thanks.
tpmm1 3 years ago
You can't prove it IS. I won't try to convince you tho, because the grossly uneducated, ignorant, unteachable & clueless are just that. Therefore it's a waste of my time to try to convince you.
You're a liar too since all the aforementioned groups aren't "afraid" to say homosexuality is an illness at all. The matter's been well debated & the answer is written in stone @ this point: it's not a mental illness.
And what's really illogical is believing all those prof. groups r 2 afraid 2 say itis.
IamaKinsey06 3 years ago
Excellent video!
I was born gay and I'm glad that God made me that way. Anyone who believes gay people "choose" to be gay are simply ignorant, uneducated, and clueless. Usually these are Christians, but then again, rarely will you find a Christian who ISN'T ignorant, uneducated, and clueless.
What xtians and phobes don't realize about being gay is that there's much more to it than just sexual orientation. Take a gay person who's celibate for example -- they're still totally gay!
(con't.)
IamaKinsey06 3 years ago
(con't.)
Because of all the little side benefits of being gay, you couldn't pay me enough to turn straight -- even if it was even possible to change your sexual orientation (and no, brainwashing at an xtian cult-camp doesn't count).
Homosexuality is not the problem... the problem is narrow-minded bigoted homophobic Christohet Supremacists who spread their evil and hatred and subversive views. This can apply to Muslims too since many of them are still living in the Dark Ages.
IamaKinsey06 3 years ago
but it is a mental illness though , ( only if your 100% homosexual )
girlsdrinkfeck 3 years ago
That's total baloney. There's not a single professional psychiatric, psychological, sociological, pediatric, legal or any other group that says it's a mental illness. The only people who think it's a mental illness are people who are grossly uneducated and completely ignorant of the most basic tenets of human sexuality.
IamaKinsey06 3 years ago
thatsbecause they are scared to say it is , and prove to me logically that it isnt , i always win this argument so i wouldnt try to hard if i was you
girlsdrinkfeck 3 years ago
You never won an argument with me!
BeatBuddy 3 years ago
how can a argument be won if there are 2 different opinions ? a opinion is not a fact its a point of view
girlsdrinkfeck 3 years ago
That's the kind of logic Henry Lewis Carroll would think up.
BeatBuddy 3 years ago
never heard of him im afriad
girlsdrinkfeck 3 years ago
One of the glories of Victorian literature: Alice in Wonderland and Through the Looking Glass
BeatBuddy 3 years ago
i thought whoever wrote alice in wonderland was a crackhead
girlsdrinkfeck 3 years ago
LOL
BeatBuddy 3 years ago
It is not a mental illness, no matter what the degree of homosexuality is.
BeatBuddy 3 years ago 2
Have you submitted this to TheoreticalBullshit to be a response video yet?
annpetasupporter 3 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Gay people. Dispite being homosexual, they are still normal human beings like us. Just like thiefs, liars and adulters are still human beings.
Does a gay person ever say "Im gay because I choose to be!" No they DON'T! They will lie and try to convice you that they are not even accountable for being gay! That being gay is as normal as being straight. And that my friends is complete BS. Im a christian, and I dont care about what gays get upto, I only care about the few who can still be saved.
Debono11 3 years ago
Here are some facts: 1. People don't choose to be gay. 2. The lying is in pretending to be straight. 3. The word normal is meaningless and used as the linchpin of oppression. Homosexuality is healthy and natural. 4. Christianity is superstition and there is no reason to believe it's true.
You will never be "saved" as long as you refuse to look at people straight in the face and see the topic for what it really is. Your faith impedes rational thought. Now do your homework.
BeatBuddy 3 years ago 4