@55ella2007k Yeah a lot of people I hang with are telling me the job market is looking super bad for america while people on wall street are buying $750 hamburgers with are money.
Either choice on the ballot wasn't very favorable for our country but I chose the "loser" McCain/Palin ticket thinking that was the better way to go but even then the Republicans have their own shortcomings and shortfalls as well. Our choices for a sound government have dwindled to zero gravity and America is sinking into the depths of Communism or Fascism and it just sickens me completely. Thank you for posting your thoughts on the progressives and Pres. Obama the usurper liar.
Z200a-- "when a third of elected Democrats are sold out to corporations."
Blue states are democratic and most are heavily corporate. Employees do as they are expected or they fall to the wayside. I came out of college and discovered at my first job that FREE ENTERPRISE was the best path for me. Over the years I have worked in the homes of hundreds of people. I enjoy relationship, so I never have followed proper business etiquette.
I open myself up, which leads to knowledge, wisdom, and suffering. My personal path has been enlightening for me. I do not avoid suffering; I do not look to the government or to the market as my savior; I look to the benefits of experience and opportunity. While most people fight over benefits, power, and security, I look inward to discover what I can do to adapt to my changing environment. I do not look for scapegoats or causes. I know I empower myself through effort and preparation.
I establish realistic expectations, and know that any group will let me down eventually--especially power hierarchies. I pursue happiness and autonomy; so far, the system has not really let me down-- not like it has many of my customers who have enjoyed the economic benefits stimulated by corporate/government cooperation.
People overlook the independent-- but they won't much longer, I sense.
"If I come knocking at your door, will your hire me to do handyman work?"
It all goes to show that 'corporatism/fascism ' -goes a long way in the halls of congress and also the ' good old boys club ' -goes a long way in the halls of congress!
I just spent over 45 minutes answering people's comments, and YT "lost them'. Will try again tomorrow - time permitting. Thanks for all your comments!
It seemed like Kucinich was so progressive. Gravel too. And Ron Paul on the conservative side. But they were used as magnets to draw people in. And then eliminated. So cleanly pulling the attention away from Nader, Mckinney, Baldwin.
The election was totally predictable. McCane/Palin clearly threw the election. Ron Paul could have made Obama much less hopeful. But no. It was not to be.
Progressives have been getting rubed by the dems since Woodrow Wilson convinced them he wouldn't get us into WWI. I highly doubt anything will change. Progressives will stay one step behind reality, and being constantly surprised.
What I have just said gives Obama the benefit of the doubt - which he doesn't deserve - that he was more naive than complicit with an over-riding agenda that very few Americans have yet grasped.
What I don't understand is how seriously you people take your mainstream poitical processes. Things are never going to be accomplished voting for or supporting the other party - regardless of which that may be.
All I saw in 2008 was a naive man making promises he couldn't keep, having no idea how Americans are governed and manipulated and who really runs things. His education began almost immediately after being elected in November at a time when a near majority of Americans realized that all traces of the current regime had to go.
You regret your choice. What choice did you really have in November? If elections really mattered, or could make a difference, would they hold them? No. Cont'd
Hello Ella, You know how I feel about government and this is just more of the same in my opinion. People like Z200a just perpetuate the same garbage that has been the "liberal mantra."
Lesser of two evils, only choices we got, compromise your own vote, etc. That makes me ill. He spouts; settle for less than what you want.
Both parties are corrupt. It's time to start over. Did you see the rassmussen poll today that said that 57% would dispose of all Congress critters if given the chance?
I was a registered R from 1980s until 2006. Even after my views had left the R party i still liked to play the spoiler in the primaries.
In order to vote in the D primary of 2008 i finally re-registered - only to be thwarted when there were caucuses instead. Since i was not a fan of HC or BO i figured i had no chance to overwhelm those strong blocs - i 'lost' my vote.
I finally had to vote Nader because McKinney was not on the ballot in KS.
I wonder whether i will ever feel enfranchised to vote
You know, we just can't learn. When Russia got its ass handed to it in Afghanistan, we called it ineptitude. Now, we have decided to take on this sovereign nation ourselves. Our ass is in the mail. It just hasn't arrived yet.
Putin is laughing his ass off. His enemy is destroying itself!
Glad you got off the Democrap bandwagon. Likewise, a Republic is a wonderful thing, but most who call themselves Republicans are anything but.
What we got now is the equivalent of a suggestion box at work, its there to make the people think they have some say but in reality the paper is used to line the boss's bird cage.
You know what immense respect I have for you, and how much I appreciate your spreaking out on YouTube. And you know that I am virtually 100% in your camp on every issue.
Still, I have to respectfully disagree with your conclusions, even as I share your deep frustration.
Have you ever been starving and had nothing in the refrigerator except week old potato salad or some dried up, crusty hot dog caserole? (No? Lucky you! ;-) There is no Magic Pony. Are only choices are bad and worse.
>> I always wished I could clap my hands together and make a fresh, hot pepperoni pizza appear out of thin air. But sometimes you have to pick between the potato salad or the hot dog casserole - or go to bed hungrey. As bad as Obama has been so far, he's still better than Bush/Cheney, and will never be as bad and whomever the Republicans come up with next. Sarah Palin? Mike Huckabee? God save us. One of the unplesant facts of life is that we have to make do with less than ideal choices.
>> That said, Obama has already done some very good things: Passed SCHIP. Passed the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, which ensures fair pay for women. And now he is staking his entire presidency on health care reform. He will do much more good in the next 3 years.
The American political process is designed to foil the efforts of reformers, and change always comes very slow. This is doubly true today, when a third of elected Democrats are sold out to corporations.
Z200a: thanks for your comment and your point of disagreement as well. I know, we all want the same things + cannot always agree. This certainly will never make us enemies:) - Yes, I've lived with very little food in the house, in a roach infested apt in Houston. Wasn't fun, let's put it this way. But consider what happens within increasingly oppressive societies: at first, you still enjoy the status quo, until the situation worsens. Then, you consider yourself still lucky>>>
until it becomes worse. Until you reach a point of no defense. The lowest denominator can never be our aim. The civil rights act, womens voting rights were eventually PASSED because of outside pressure, it did NOT originate within a party. I am not willing to support any party which sees no problem with 'preventive detention' and a fake healthcare plan which will make private insurance even more powerful than what they already are. I'm open to support for individuals, but not the party.
Well, that is a good point about outside pressure. And that's why I appreciate what you are doing by speaking out. The importance of pressure from the left was really proven a couple of weeks ago when the Obama Admin gave hints that it would drop the public option. There was a mass uprising on the left, and the Obama Admin immediately retreated. Clearly, if we don't have a vocal left putting pressure on the Dems, they will cave to the corporate interests and the Republicans.
>> The reason why attacks from the left worry me so much is that I recall vividly how George W. Bush "won" the White House in 2000: Because so many Ralph Nader voters refused to compromise their principled positions by voting for Al Gore. The result of a few thousand liberals refusing to vote Democratic was to give us 8 horrific years of Bush, which led directly to at least 1 million dead in Iraq, and untold suffering around the world. Plus the economic collapse. >>
>> Would Al Gore have been a big disappointment to real liberals such as you and I? I am sure he would have. But it would never have been anything like Bush/Cheney. We would have been disappointed in countless ways, but Gore would not have tortured, killed a million people, transferred so much wealth to the richest .01%, or mismanaged the economy into ruin.
We thought we were getting a Abraham Lincoln, what we got is a sort of GQ Benito Mussolini lite. A Fascist with a genial dispostion more then ready to work with the owners. Washington is now nothing more then a branch office of Wall Street.
It didn't take that long for us to start letting go of our Freedoms one by one, like the old boiling frog anology. Well the Pot is real warm now and soon will be boiling.
* Washington is now nothing more then a branch office of Wall Street. *
Washington has been owned by Wall Street for generations. It didn't happen in the last election, or the last 12 years. The Democrats have never been perfect, but anything good that has come out of Washington in the last 50 years has been due to the Democratic Party. if you don't think there's a serious and important difference between the kinds of Justices appointed by Dems and Reps you are not paying attention.
@Z200a, well that's kinda the point isn't it? Obama ran on change, implying that the Washington that was owned by Wall Street was going to change & change it did, all they did was make Obama CEO of America.The Oligarchy or you prefer the "Board of Directors" are now the ones pressing the buttons. And even that might be ok, but the Board of Directors are far from being egalitarian, they are cementing their grip on the country. Democratic party is nothing but Bag men for the Wall Street Banksters.
* Obama ran on change, implying that the Washington that was owned by Wall Street was going to change *
No, sorry - Obama ran as a centrist Democrat. Not as a liberal, and certainly not on a promise to take the government back from Wall Street.
*The Oligarchy*
Yes, that's exactly what it is. That's not to say that some good can't come out of Washington, but by and large the system is an oligarchy, exactly as James Madison and the other Founders intended.
* The Oligarchy...are now the ones pressing the buttons *
You say "now" as if this is a recent development. What you are describing has been the condition of our Republican for many generations. Most recently it was made much worse by Nixon, and then Reagan, and then George W. Bush. Clinton didn't help, either, with NAFTA and the establishment of the WTO. it's not accurate to suggest that only in the last few months has the USA turned into an oligarchy.
@Z200a, What I am saying is that I am heeding Ella's advice and I am done with the Democrats, fini, forever. They are nothing but Money Bag Men for the Wall street Banksters who are the owners. The Owners of what? They want a piece of every transaction that goes on, a cut. A Mafia dream come true.
To me they are just slightly better then the Soprano's running the country. The only thing that makes em better then gangsters is a facade of a aristocratic elite.
@Z200a, To be clear with you I am not a 911 Truther or a NWO conspiracy nut. Z200a, you may not be aware of this but the Goverment is in bed with Wall St. No I take that back Wall Street OWNS THE Goverment. This is no longer a Democracy it is a Oligarchy. The Dems have either through sheer incomptance or outright bribery are agents for The Wall Street bankers. The Banksters are now in the process of pillaging the American people & the Gov is in on this shakedown.
And what about Obama? What Obama has done up until now is even worse. Giving more power to the federal reserve is worse. The bail out was like selling America.
Besides, things could not be this way with out the complicity of both party anyway. Don't you understand that?
Z200a: I agree, it's definitely not a recent development. It's been going on for decades. But this doesn't change the fact, that the bar of expectation for the average person is being set lower + lower with each successive administration. I appreciate your argument + for me this boils down to long term strategy at this point. I might very well be wrong, but I had to make a decision at this point, because the status quo is unacceptable to me. I realize the danger of that decision, btw.
It is because our politicians are NOT working for us. Both parties are bought and sold. 8 years going on 12 years of printing us into total bankrupsy and no health care.
The dollar is on the edge. The war is another way to transfer wealth to the rich and when the smoke clears, we will have no money, insurmountable debt and the one percent will own everything and their corporate media will be sure to tell us all that its our fault.
I share your bitterness and your diagnosis. When someone calls for the dems I say "no" and I add "take me off your list." I will work for Russ Feingold because he has established that he is a man of principle who actually reads the crappy laws congress enacts. But no general help for dems. No money or action for people who are just selling me out to not offend corporations so they can get re-elected.
I respect you and your opinions a great deal - so much that I am certain you realize that the effect of your actions will be to help elect a party you find more reprehensible than the Democrats.
It's as if you have told the warden that you don't want to share a cell with the burgler, and ask that he please put you in with the rapist. When the Magic Pony runs for president, I will vote for him. But until then, we have two choices: bad, and much worse.
I realize that in the short term, my actions may make things worse. The dems at least claim to be from the planet of sane, sometimes. But I honestly feel like neither party truly and (here's the important word) substantially represents me any more. The democratic party does not give a shit about the little man any more. They're just a more ineffectual republicanism that's, at best, drowning govt in the bathtub slightly slower. I can't sign on for that.
Stop believing the government could "do good" if just the "right people" were in charge. Even the "right people" seem to turn into pond scum once they get into government, with very, very few exceptions. We will never again be free if we continue to rely on government to solve our problems.
What it amounts to is George Bushes 3rd term. I dont want them making any more laws what-so-ever. They are too sloppy- and do not read it let alone who wrote it. Disband congress. Reverse the TARPs.
Please. This is obviously untrue. Think before you speak. Common sense should tell you there are not 60 million laws on the books. That means Congress would have had to pass 257,500 laws every year, or 705 per day, since the founding of the country, with no days off for weekends or holidays.
Spreading transparent falsehoods damages your credibility.
You are assuming that you are only subject to laws created since 1776, I presume, and only to the laws created in your homeland.
Under UCC, you are subject to every law, of every state, foreign or domestic, because it is used as de facto law, in the absence of your knowledge of de jure law.
Besides, what makes you think that you hear of every piece of legislation being passed, right here, every day?
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55ella2007k 1 year ago
@55ella2007k Yeah a lot of people I hang with are telling me the job market is looking super bad for america while people on wall street are buying $750 hamburgers with are money.
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nomosushi 2 years ago
Either choice on the ballot wasn't very favorable for our country but I chose the "loser" McCain/Palin ticket thinking that was the better way to go but even then the Republicans have their own shortcomings and shortfalls as well. Our choices for a sound government have dwindled to zero gravity and America is sinking into the depths of Communism or Fascism and it just sickens me completely. Thank you for posting your thoughts on the progressives and Pres. Obama the usurper liar.
GoldenFireReviews 2 years ago
a.
Z200a-- "when a third of elected Democrats are sold out to corporations."
Blue states are democratic and most are heavily corporate. Employees do as they are expected or they fall to the wayside. I came out of college and discovered at my first job that FREE ENTERPRISE was the best path for me. Over the years I have worked in the homes of hundreds of people. I enjoy relationship, so I never have followed proper business etiquette.
carefulcarpenter 2 years ago
b.
I open myself up, which leads to knowledge, wisdom, and suffering. My personal path has been enlightening for me. I do not avoid suffering; I do not look to the government or to the market as my savior; I look to the benefits of experience and opportunity. While most people fight over benefits, power, and security, I look inward to discover what I can do to adapt to my changing environment. I do not look for scapegoats or causes. I know I empower myself through effort and preparation.
carefulcarpenter 2 years ago
c.
I establish realistic expectations, and know that any group will let me down eventually--especially power hierarchies. I pursue happiness and autonomy; so far, the system has not really let me down-- not like it has many of my customers who have enjoyed the economic benefits stimulated by corporate/government cooperation.
People overlook the independent-- but they won't much longer, I sense.
"If I come knocking at your door, will your hire me to do handyman work?"
~~cc
carefulcarpenter 2 years ago
The dollar is on life support. If the Chinese default on derivative contracts then my friend the whole system will be on it's way to collapse.
teapartyvoices 2 years ago
It all goes to show that 'corporatism/fascism ' -goes a long way in the halls of congress and also the ' good old boys club ' -goes a long way in the halls of congress!
kjack5 2 years ago
It sounds like 911 all over again-right outside your door!!!
kjack5 2 years ago
I just spent over 45 minutes answering people's comments, and YT "lost them'. Will try again tomorrow - time permitting. Thanks for all your comments!
55ella2007k 2 years ago
It seemed like Kucinich was so progressive. Gravel too. And Ron Paul on the conservative side. But they were used as magnets to draw people in. And then eliminated. So cleanly pulling the attention away from Nader, Mckinney, Baldwin.
The election was totally predictable. McCane/Palin clearly threw the election. Ron Paul could have made Obama much less hopeful. But no. It was not to be.
VOTE 3RD PARTY !
tenagliac 2 years ago
Progressives have been getting rubed by the dems since Woodrow Wilson convinced them he wouldn't get us into WWI. I highly doubt anything will change. Progressives will stay one step behind reality, and being constantly surprised.
X340N3 2 years ago
What I have just said gives Obama the benefit of the doubt - which he doesn't deserve - that he was more naive than complicit with an over-riding agenda that very few Americans have yet grasped.
What I don't understand is how seriously you people take your mainstream poitical processes. Things are never going to be accomplished voting for or supporting the other party - regardless of which that may be.
eighteenin78 2 years ago
All I saw in 2008 was a naive man making promises he couldn't keep, having no idea how Americans are governed and manipulated and who really runs things. His education began almost immediately after being elected in November at a time when a near majority of Americans realized that all traces of the current regime had to go.
You regret your choice. What choice did you really have in November? If elections really mattered, or could make a difference, would they hold them? No. Cont'd
eighteenin78 2 years ago
Register your dissatisfaction by visiting "I am sorry I voted for Obama"
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stratvic 2 years ago 2
Republicans and Democrats are wings of the same bird.
JoeShmoe65 2 years ago 7
I was just discussing this with my husband the other day...what's it going to take to get the people to get off their arses and stop this madness!
manque15 2 years ago
You have certainly been more than patient....but I think we all see it as it is now....you are correct, we have all been and are being screwed...
skybirdbird 2 years ago 4
Hello Ella, You know how I feel about government and this is just more of the same in my opinion. People like Z200a just perpetuate the same garbage that has been the "liberal mantra."
Lesser of two evils, only choices we got, compromise your own vote, etc. That makes me ill. He spouts; settle for less than what you want.
What a winning strategy!
Thanks for speaking out on the bullsh*t.
TheBigHo111 2 years ago 6
im sort of a dem,but they cant agree on anything
vmpslr2 2 years ago
With some wounds you apply pressure.
citizenkong 2 years ago 3
Both parties are corrupt. It's time to start over. Did you see the rassmussen poll today that said that 57% would dispose of all Congress critters if given the chance?
RodneyHampton 2 years ago 3
I was a registered R from 1980s until 2006. Even after my views had left the R party i still liked to play the spoiler in the primaries.
In order to vote in the D primary of 2008 i finally re-registered - only to be thwarted when there were caucuses instead. Since i was not a fan of HC or BO i figured i had no chance to overwhelm those strong blocs - i 'lost' my vote.
I finally had to vote Nader because McKinney was not on the ballot in KS.
I wonder whether i will ever feel enfranchised to vote
morelshaman 2 years ago 2
Very well said Ella. Great vlog.
ScottishViking1977 2 years ago
Democratic party : Rothchilddofabitch Republicans party : Rockercocksucingfeller. Goodnight Ella!
usergently 2 years ago
You know, we just can't learn. When Russia got its ass handed to it in Afghanistan, we called it ineptitude. Now, we have decided to take on this sovereign nation ourselves. Our ass is in the mail. It just hasn't arrived yet.
Putin is laughing his ass off. His enemy is destroying itself!
Glad you got off the Democrap bandwagon. Likewise, a Republic is a wonderful thing, but most who call themselves Republicans are anything but.
wetalmorker 2 years ago
What we got now is the equivalent of a suggestion box at work, its there to make the people think they have some say but in reality the paper is used to line the boss's bird cage.
funeralsong34 2 years ago 2
Ella,
You know what immense respect I have for you, and how much I appreciate your spreaking out on YouTube. And you know that I am virtually 100% in your camp on every issue.
Still, I have to respectfully disagree with your conclusions, even as I share your deep frustration.
Have you ever been starving and had nothing in the refrigerator except week old potato salad or some dried up, crusty hot dog caserole? (No? Lucky you! ;-) There is no Magic Pony. Are only choices are bad and worse.
Z200a 2 years ago
>> I always wished I could clap my hands together and make a fresh, hot pepperoni pizza appear out of thin air. But sometimes you have to pick between the potato salad or the hot dog casserole - or go to bed hungrey. As bad as Obama has been so far, he's still better than Bush/Cheney, and will never be as bad and whomever the Republicans come up with next. Sarah Palin? Mike Huckabee? God save us. One of the unplesant facts of life is that we have to make do with less than ideal choices.
Z200a 2 years ago
>> That said, Obama has already done some very good things: Passed SCHIP. Passed the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, which ensures fair pay for women. And now he is staking his entire presidency on health care reform. He will do much more good in the next 3 years.
The American political process is designed to foil the efforts of reformers, and change always comes very slow. This is doubly true today, when a third of elected Democrats are sold out to corporations.
Z200a 2 years ago
Z200a: thanks for your comment and your point of disagreement as well. I know, we all want the same things + cannot always agree. This certainly will never make us enemies:) - Yes, I've lived with very little food in the house, in a roach infested apt in Houston. Wasn't fun, let's put it this way. But consider what happens within increasingly oppressive societies: at first, you still enjoy the status quo, until the situation worsens. Then, you consider yourself still lucky>>>
55ella2007k 2 years ago
until it becomes worse. Until you reach a point of no defense. The lowest denominator can never be our aim. The civil rights act, womens voting rights were eventually PASSED because of outside pressure, it did NOT originate within a party. I am not willing to support any party which sees no problem with 'preventive detention' and a fake healthcare plan which will make private insurance even more powerful than what they already are. I'm open to support for individuals, but not the party.
55ella2007k 2 years ago
Well, that is a good point about outside pressure. And that's why I appreciate what you are doing by speaking out. The importance of pressure from the left was really proven a couple of weeks ago when the Obama Admin gave hints that it would drop the public option. There was a mass uprising on the left, and the Obama Admin immediately retreated. Clearly, if we don't have a vocal left putting pressure on the Dems, they will cave to the corporate interests and the Republicans.
Z200a 2 years ago
>> The reason why attacks from the left worry me so much is that I recall vividly how George W. Bush "won" the White House in 2000: Because so many Ralph Nader voters refused to compromise their principled positions by voting for Al Gore. The result of a few thousand liberals refusing to vote Democratic was to give us 8 horrific years of Bush, which led directly to at least 1 million dead in Iraq, and untold suffering around the world. Plus the economic collapse. >>
Z200a 2 years ago
>> Would Al Gore have been a big disappointment to real liberals such as you and I? I am sure he would have. But it would never have been anything like Bush/Cheney. We would have been disappointed in countless ways, but Gore would not have tortured, killed a million people, transferred so much wealth to the richest .01%, or mismanaged the economy into ruin.
Z200a 2 years ago
Z200a: well, both strategies can work in conjunction, you can apply pressure from within AND without. They are not mutually exclusive.
55ella2007k 2 years ago
You're an idiot.
beejusbeejus 2 years ago
We thought we were getting a Abraham Lincoln, what we got is a sort of GQ Benito Mussolini lite. A Fascist with a genial dispostion more then ready to work with the owners. Washington is now nothing more then a branch office of Wall Street.
It didn't take that long for us to start letting go of our Freedoms one by one, like the old boiling frog anology. Well the Pot is real warm now and soon will be boiling.
valhala56 2 years ago
* Washington is now nothing more then a branch office of Wall Street. *
Washington has been owned by Wall Street for generations. It didn't happen in the last election, or the last 12 years. The Democrats have never been perfect, but anything good that has come out of Washington in the last 50 years has been due to the Democratic Party. if you don't think there's a serious and important difference between the kinds of Justices appointed by Dems and Reps you are not paying attention.
Z200a 2 years ago
@Z200a, well that's kinda the point isn't it? Obama ran on change, implying that the Washington that was owned by Wall Street was going to change & change it did, all they did was make Obama CEO of America.The Oligarchy or you prefer the "Board of Directors" are now the ones pressing the buttons. And even that might be ok, but the Board of Directors are far from being egalitarian, they are cementing their grip on the country. Democratic party is nothing but Bag men for the Wall Street Banksters.
valhala56 2 years ago
* Obama ran on change, implying that the Washington that was owned by Wall Street was going to change *
No, sorry - Obama ran as a centrist Democrat. Not as a liberal, and certainly not on a promise to take the government back from Wall Street.
*The Oligarchy*
Yes, that's exactly what it is. That's not to say that some good can't come out of Washington, but by and large the system is an oligarchy, exactly as James Madison and the other Founders intended.
Z200a 2 years ago
* The Oligarchy...are now the ones pressing the buttons *
You say "now" as if this is a recent development. What you are describing has been the condition of our Republican for many generations. Most recently it was made much worse by Nixon, and then Reagan, and then George W. Bush. Clinton didn't help, either, with NAFTA and the establishment of the WTO. it's not accurate to suggest that only in the last few months has the USA turned into an oligarchy.
Z200a 2 years ago
@Z200a, What I am saying is that I am heeding Ella's advice and I am done with the Democrats, fini, forever. They are nothing but Money Bag Men for the Wall street Banksters who are the owners. The Owners of what? They want a piece of every transaction that goes on, a cut. A Mafia dream come true.
To me they are just slightly better then the Soprano's running the country. The only thing that makes em better then gangsters is a facade of a aristocratic elite.
valhala56 2 years ago 2
* I am done with the Democrats, fini, forever. They are nothing but Money Bag Men for the Wall street Banksters who are the owners. *
Then why did the Democrats pass SCHIP to provide health care to children?
Why are most Democrats fighting so hard to reform health care and provide coverage for 47 million uninsured Americans?
I agree the Democrats are far from perfect, but you're throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
Z200a 2 years ago
@Z200a, To be clear with you I am not a 911 Truther or a NWO conspiracy nut. Z200a, you may not be aware of this but the Goverment is in bed with Wall St. No I take that back Wall Street OWNS THE Goverment. This is no longer a Democracy it is a Oligarchy. The Dems have either through sheer incomptance or outright bribery are agents for The Wall Street bankers. The Banksters are now in the process of pillaging the American people & the Gov is in on this shakedown.
You need to wake up.
valhala56 2 years ago
And what about Obama? What Obama has done up until now is even worse. Giving more power to the federal reserve is worse. The bail out was like selling America.
Besides, things could not be this way with out the complicity of both party anyway. Don't you understand that?
MustacheVerra 2 years ago
Z200a: I agree, it's definitely not a recent development. It's been going on for decades. But this doesn't change the fact, that the bar of expectation for the average person is being set lower + lower with each successive administration. I appreciate your argument + for me this boils down to long term strategy at this point. I might very well be wrong, but I had to make a decision at this point, because the status quo is unacceptable to me. I realize the danger of that decision, btw.
55ella2007k 2 years ago
It is because our politicians are NOT working for us. Both parties are bought and sold. 8 years going on 12 years of printing us into total bankrupsy and no health care.
The dollar is on the edge. The war is another way to transfer wealth to the rich and when the smoke clears, we will have no money, insurmountable debt and the one percent will own everything and their corporate media will be sure to tell us all that its our fault.
Larkinchance 2 years ago 6
I share your bitterness and your diagnosis. When someone calls for the dems I say "no" and I add "take me off your list." I will work for Russ Feingold because he has established that he is a man of principle who actually reads the crappy laws congress enacts. But no general help for dems. No money or action for people who are just selling me out to not offend corporations so they can get re-elected.
FeelFreeToArgue 2 years ago 2
FFTA,
I respect you and your opinions a great deal - so much that I am certain you realize that the effect of your actions will be to help elect a party you find more reprehensible than the Democrats.
It's as if you have told the warden that you don't want to share a cell with the burgler, and ask that he please put you in with the rapist. When the Magic Pony runs for president, I will vote for him. But until then, we have two choices: bad, and much worse.
Z200a 2 years ago
First, thanks for the compliment.
I realize that in the short term, my actions may make things worse. The dems at least claim to be from the planet of sane, sometimes. But I honestly feel like neither party truly and (here's the important word) substantially represents me any more. The democratic party does not give a shit about the little man any more. They're just a more ineffectual republicanism that's, at best, drowning govt in the bathtub slightly slower. I can't sign on for that.
FeelFreeToArgue 2 years ago 2
Stop believing the government could "do good" if just the "right people" were in charge. Even the "right people" seem to turn into pond scum once they get into government, with very, very few exceptions. We will never again be free if we continue to rely on government to solve our problems.
GordonWalton 2 years ago 2
What it amounts to is George Bushes 3rd term. I dont want them making any more laws what-so-ever. They are too sloppy- and do not read it let alone who wrote it. Disband congress. Reverse the TARPs.
turboredcart 2 years ago
It has been estimated (cuz no one knows for sure), that there are 60 million laws on our books. Who can claim to be cognizant of 60,000,000 laws?
I'm with you, if after 233 years, we don't have enough laws, we never will have enough laws.
There is only one law, really, and that is: "Do unto others as you would have done to yourself".
wetalmorker 2 years ago
* there are 60 million laws on our books *
Please. This is obviously untrue. Think before you speak. Common sense should tell you there are not 60 million laws on the books. That means Congress would have had to pass 257,500 laws every year, or 705 per day, since the founding of the country, with no days off for weekends or holidays.
Spreading transparent falsehoods damages your credibility.
Z200a 2 years ago
You are assuming that you are only subject to laws created since 1776, I presume, and only to the laws created in your homeland.
Under UCC, you are subject to every law, of every state, foreign or domestic, because it is used as de facto law, in the absence of your knowledge of de jure law.
Besides, what makes you think that you hear of every piece of legislation being passed, right here, every day?
wetalmorker 2 years ago 2