Bonni Rambatan -- Computer-Generated Sexuality (5/5)

[brendanmcooney]

hmmmmm. interesting. I'll have to ponder all that.

[MariborchanX]

A very insightful lecture.. I may violently disagree with some points as my comments show, but there is no doubt that it's a fresh perspective (at least for me) and definitely food for thought. Thx a lot and looking forward to more of what you have to say..

[ThePosthumanMarxist]

Thanks :) Great to have you on discussions as always.

[MariborchanX]

The 'force to enjoy' is in my opinion basically "my desire is the desire of the Other". So the paradox is that we start to desire some kinky shit just because we see (or perhaps presuppose) some other subject desiring it, because it's in our face.. and this attitude of "leave us alone, do what you want".. this discreetness, keeping these things private.. I totally agree with it, but how is it feasible on the internet?

[ThePosthumanMarxist]

I'm gonna be honest with you: I don't know. Social network privacy and all the buzz about oversharing will surely play a role, but as to exactly how it's gonna play out, we still need more theories.

[MariborchanX]

You are getting into the realm of bioengineering at this point.. and as Žižek warns in 'Conversations with Zizek', this is far more complex than it first appears. If you change the biological dimensions, you can essentially loose the 'human', Real in ourselves - subjectivity as such can change, we literally become another species that desires, thinks, fantasizes, etc. differently.. and exactly because of this I find this notion of "transferring our consciousness into machines" illusory.

[MariborchanX]

And this point has horrific implications in all directions.. Again, I really recommend 'Conversations with Zizek' for this topic, it's basically a transcript of an interview with Žižek so it's very easy to read and he talks about these topics in length..

[ThePosthumanMarxist]

I am totally against Moravecian consciousness transfers and strong AI, and am very loyal to Žižek in the sense that I do not want to underestimate the issue at all. I'm aware of these horrific implications you mentioned -- my thesis here is that they are already under way. I don't want dismiss it as an unknowable cognitive trauma (though it may be so for traditional psychoanalysis), but rather to attempt and theorize it before it's too late.