Akin On Thanksgiving: Pilgrims Fled Socialism To Come To America

[DDA1220]

"...They pitched socialism out, they learned that in the early 1620's."

Fuck, these guys tried out and abandoned socialism two hundred years before it existed. Time to pack it up guys, the capitalists have time machines. Either that or they're omnipotent, not sure which is worse.

[abcd1to]

IDIOT KARL MARX WAS NOT BORN UNTIL 1818

[Susoomu]

"there were knife fights in cabins" - i'm glad he's planning on researching that some more.

[DavyCrocketUSA]

This is how the fall of the Republic begins. Self serving Representatives such as this clown manipulate the less educated, religious nuts, social conservatives and those that are near brain dead into a frenzy to centralize power with those that can pay for it. Meanwhile technical information, jobs and raw resources are out-sourced to maximize corporate profits and the remaining 94% of Americans fight for the remaining 46% of the income produced. Like Rome, our days are numbered

[Paralysisis]

Fuckin missouri, let's just nuke missouri

[jrhd00d84]

HAHAHAHAAA!!!! I am laughing so hard at this. I can't believe it.

[realAmerican1969]

Idiot!

[KayD1010]

Did this idiot go to school? Socialism didn't exist in the 1600s AND they came here seeking religious freedom. 

[VJnumber1]

TODD AIKEN should be tossed out of his seat for preaching overthrow of the government. Why does he get a salary to preach religion from a Congressional pulpit too? This is flagrant abuse of the taxpayer's dollars. ATTENTION congressional watchdogs: BOOT THIS FOOL OUT BEFORE HE HAS A CHANCE TO DO ANY MORE HARM.

[Page1261]

@VJnumber1 Sadly the Republicans are nominating and electing more and more people like Aiken. I swear they won't be happy until they turn America into a Christian theocracy!

[KingHardyon]

The fact is he does not know what the facts are.

Indians were socialist, they had to go.

i share my wealth with my family, they have to go.

My mind is Akin right now.

[chazmena]

This is the level of discourse to come with the new congress. Ever spoken to Tea Baggers?

Arrogant idiocy, misplaced loyalty, uninformed mediocrity, half-educated, half-baked, crackpots.

I know that I when I don't understand something, I don't pose as if I do. I say: "How does that work?", or "I'm sorry, I don't follow."

Learning requires humility, a woefully scarce commodity in public and private discourse. We would all be stars, unerring, beacons.

[endisnighe]

@chazmena

Yes, I can tell by your demeanor towards an entire movement proves your intelligence and humility. Or is it proof of your ignorance.

Learning requires you to use the scientific method of observation. It does NOT include the use of compromise to further implement idiotic and ignorant social programs. Why is it that it always comes back to the fact that socialist programs ALWAYS fail. ALWAYS. Then the entire argument falls back to it was not implemented correctly. ALWAYS.

[chazmena]

@endisnighe

Actually "demeanor" refers to a person's behaviour, comportment. We haven't met, you've only read what I've written in response to the inane comments submitted by the congressman, which were also anachronistic.

As to the "scientific method" that you incorrectly assumes to be the parameters of all "learning" (my background isn't in Science, but in the Humanities) and the "method of observation" is a tautology. Babble. You are saying the same thing in your expression.

[chazmena]

@endisnighe (cont.) You're using big words, man, be careful how you use them. "Compromise to further implement idiotic and ignorant social programs", I don't understand as well. Socialist programs ALWAYS fail? I don't know why you assume I am a socialist, but even in that sentence you're wrong. Social programs: Social Security; Public Education; Medicare; Unemployment Insurance; FDIC; the list goes on and on.

"You can call a tail a dog's fifth leg, but it remains a tail. " (A. Lincoln)

[pkring]

Maybe this idiot ought to go to school. Or read a book. OR study history.

[cpmondello]

American are so stupid, theyll believe anything; from the Salem Witch trials, to calling every one commies and to the evils of socialism and unions, even though the bathroom breaks they get at work are because unions and socialism, as is public roads, police, fire etc.

[KingofBiH]

I dont blame him, I blame the people who elected him.

[ludwiggy69]

continued- a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

[ludwiggy69]

any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods. a system of society or group living in which there is no private property. a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state. continued

[skdnow]

What the hell? What an idiot! FACTS??? They apparently don't need no stinkin' facts.

[armyveteran101st]

The first model of a written Constitution was created in 1215 by the English, in the form of their Magna Carta. That was 400 years before the Pilgrims ever set foot on North American shores. And just how in hell is it that the Pilgrims knew anything about "socialism"? Being that this moronic congressman is a republican, I'm not surprised by his stupidity and his ignorance of American history. This organized stupidity seems to be the new norm for membership in the republican party.

[MiHiVidz]

Who the Hell do these people think they're scaring every time they bleat "socialist" at something? Seriously? When *I* hear the word socialist, I'm thinking of Sweden, hot blondes and an awesome healthcare system and not Soviet-era Russia.

[Mrtraveler01]

I'm sad to say this guy is my Representative.

[MiHiVidz]

Why are republicans so ANTI-intelligent?

How do they even walk upright?

[1amsm1th]

Damn you Karl Marx and your socialist time machine!

[originalname138]

fucking history, how does it work?

[robcypher]

oh wow...this dude is crazy

[MJmichand]

So Socialism isn't biblical? UUUUHHHHH no. Try again.

[salukiboy]

But But but...Rush Limbaugh told me the Pilgrims tried socialism!  If the Royals were socialists, why did they leave? That doesn't make sense.

[Apeiron242]

When did he mention socialism?

[Apeiron242]

Nevermind, i heard it the second time around.

[PincheMorrongo]

I think it's time to ask all political candidates to take, and pass, a basic American History test.

[justicecallicles]

He didn't even mention how the Puritans were just fleeing Muslim oppression.

Damn Muslims and their walking-eye robots... Only the Atlantic was deep enough to keep them from following.

[AdamdeMalyns]

He's congratulating people for being innovative when it comes to government? The SOCIALIST! The LIBERAL!!

[ubernerd35]

How could they have been fleeing socialism if it didn't exist at the time? This revisionist history should not be tolerated, and is the worst form of newspeak.

WAR IS PEACE

FREEDOM IS SLAVERY

IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

[endisnighe]

For someone that MAY ACTUALLY have a brain left. Read this account, directly from historical record- The Great Thanksgiving Hoax- by Richard J Maybury

Quit listening to the maroons. Notice NONE of them want to post any FACTS. They just make things up as they go. Look also into Indoctrinate U. Very good documentary on how the Maroons are created and controlled.

If you have one honest bone in your body, ask for proof of historical record instead of listening to their VERSIONS or INTERPRETATIONS.

[endisnighe]

Is ANYONE going to post a link to historical sources for your idiocy?

Anyone, anyone, Bueller, Bueller?

I am refraining from posting a link, I will refute yours but if I will post one, you will not even read it.

Look at the last few posts. No facts, no links, NOTHING.

La la la la la.

Anyone, hmmmm, or are you just a bunch of Whoopi Goldberg type historically knowledgeable type maroons. LOL.

I suppose you types think the Japanese did not attack the US either.

Public edumacation? LOL

[ProgressiveAudio]

Well some of the earliest american societies like the Amish and Mennonites are socialist, and the Bible promotes what he'd call socialism, and also the early United States are arguably socialistic in it's approach to corporations charted by the states.

Oh, they'll never care, they live in their fantasy land.

[endisnighe]

@ProgressiveAudio

Do you EVEN KNOW what socialism is you Maroon?

How about the Amish and Mennonite societies?

These two societies are NOT and NEVER HAVE BEEN socialistic you Maroon.

Funny how the youtube members with the progressive in their name are willfully ignorant.

Helping in your COMMUNITY is NOT socialist or collectivist.

You Maroons really need to get your facts straight, oh, what am I thinking?

Maroons never have their facts straight.

[ProgressiveAudio]

@endisnighe Amish and Mennonites are socialist, they have little to no hierarchy, no rich and no poor, when they do vote (not all do) they typically vote socially conservative and economically "leftist", and were an inspiration of sorts of early socialist and anarchist movements. Textbook cases of classic "socialist" societies. Of course, they're also anti-modernist, socially conservative to the extreme, such leftist and progressives aren't anything like them now.

[endisnighe]

@ProgressiveAudio

"Amish and Mennonites are socialist, they have little to no hierarchy, no rich and no poor, when they do vote (not all do) they typically vote socially conservative and economically "leftist", and were an inspiration of sorts of early socialist and anarchist movements."

WOW! Anarchy is polar opposite of socialism. Where do you people learn this stuff? Anarchy has to do with freedom and responsibility of the individual. Socialism has to do with collectivism. WOW!

[ProgressiveAudio]

Wow, you're a complete troll, aren't ya? Hence, the endisnighe username I guess.

Yes Anarchy is the polar opposite of Socialism, hence the CNT, Anarcho-Socialist, Anarcho-Syndicalist, the movements of anarchist being seriously tied to Socialism, in the US, Spain and Germany (Sparticus Revolt anyone?) oh why am I bothering, you're exactly what Punk Patriot was referring too, idiots who don't care about facts and like just hearing what they want.

[ProgressiveAudio]

@endisnighe "Helping in your COMMUNITY is NOT socialist or collectivist."

Um...the Amish aren't exactly shining examples of individualism.

You're obviously a complete dumbass, or "maroon." Maroon? Oh god...

[endisnighe]

@ProgressiveAudio

So, in YOUR mind helping your community with things like barn raising is socialistic in nature, not charitable? WOW. How many Amish communities have you been to? ANY?

Sorry to inform you of this, they DO NOT pool their resources. They DO NOT pool their money. They DO NOT perform ANY collectivist endeavors.

You are willfully ignorant or have been lied to. Either way, you are wrong. Please point me to any PROOF you have of your assertions. I myself do business with them.

[ProgressiveAudio]

@endisnighe Why are you bringing up barn raising?

How many Amish do you know, if any? Do you even know what the Amish are? They pool all their money, all their resources, they have sickness funds, home relief funds, they rarely if ever had their own goods that they don't at least share with everyone else in the community, it's like someone took the Christians in the book of Acts and put them into the United States. You're really a complete dumbass, aren't ya?

[hitmanhart670]

Wow this is what we have to look forward to thanks to this past election

complete and utter ignorance from elected leaders

[GBTRU]

This is the epitome of the right, and republicans. They are IGNORANT!!!!

[1amsm1th]

How do the Dems and Reps listen to this Tea Party clown with a straight face?



[PhillipRottingham]

I guess this guy doesn't know that socialism dodn't even exist as an idea until the 19th century...

[devolve42]

So-called "conservatives" (who are actually quite radical) are doing their dead-level best to make the US a complete disaster.

[endisnighe]

Forgot to mention France. The socialists are just wonderfully polite when asked to actually work for their food. How bout storing up your own nuts for retirement instead of FORCING your CHILDREN into slavery.

Also, maybe look up and evaluate what a Ponzei Scheme is. You know, Social Security and Medicare. Wonder how 50 million people are going to support 100 million.

Ever wonder about that Maroons? Or is it the responsibility of your children to provide these 500k pensions in CA? Maroons.

[bcmcdn]

@endisnighe

Maybe you need to work on your composition skills or you might be a moron. What does your rant have to do with a congressman who is ignorant about the Pilgrims?

[threequarterdome]

@bcmcdn

Really, google this-The Great Thanksgiving Hoax- by Richard J Maybury

Maybe YOU are the IGNORANT one. I am sooooo sick of people that because they were taught the rewritten history of this nation, they are correct.

How bout learning history from the VERY WORDS of the Pilgrims. Or is that too hard for the instantaneous information prerequisite of today's MAROONS.

At least in today's blogging, you provide a snippet and then a LINK to the source.

Not in regards to history though. Whatever

[endisnighe]

Oh by the way UPLOADER, you are a Maroon, he DID NOT SAY they fled socialism you fricking MAROON!

[endisnighe]

By the way, how that HOPEY CHANGEY working out for you?

How that socialism over in Europe working out for them?

By the way IDIOTS, how bout opening a book and read the SOURCE instead of your idiotic progressively rewritten history?

Or are you like Whoopi Goldberg, given the FACTS and then she states well I am sure some people might believe that.

MAROONS! 20% are socialists in the US. 20% in the US are mentally ill. Correlation? or Causal? Do you even know what I just asked? MAROONS!

[MilesTougeaux]

@endisnighe Actually Europe's doing pretty well.

[endisnighe]

@MilesTougeaux

Let me guess, YOU ARE A COMEDIAN.

Why don't you go to Zero Hedge or other online economic sources and get some real economic news, quit the MSM.

Greece, Portugal, Spain, Ireland, even some of the Scandanavian countries that the socialists love to point to, are instituting austerity measures.

Who is bailing out the uber socialists? Face it, your walk down NAZI ideas did not turn out so well now has it? National Socialism. Doing great are you?

Fire up those printing presses.

[bcmcdn]

@endisnighe

Do you like the word "MAROONS""

[threequarterdome]

@bcmcdn

Love it, I do not like to use morons. Because that is mean to the morons to place maroons in the same category.

Maroons are WILLFULLY ignorant.

Whoopi Goldberg is a Maroon. She thinks that the Japanese did not attack us in WWII.

[endisnighe]

The public schools have completely rewritten history.

In one of the first colonies, the people attempted a commune type arrangement. The people were allowed to take as much as they wanted. The first two years the community was starving. They did away with it and implemented self sufficiency. The colony prospered.

How bout reading from the source of information instead of wallowing in the filth of rewritten history.

Or I suppose you POS believe that the Dems have not had congress since 06?

[MilesTougeaux]

We really should require an 8th grade education as a minimum for anyone running for office

[PitySing01]

Errrr..... right... Pilgrims fleeing the socialist King George.... cuz, you know.... all that government run health care they had... and their knife fights and cabins... and stuff. Congratulations St. Louis and St. Charles, this one is all yours.

[endisnighe]

@PitySing01

Did you even listen to the video? Or do you just look at the pretty explanation fricking fool.

He was talking about a colony that almost starved using the commune model, socialism for an idiot like you.

They switched to self sufficiency and they thrived.

See, with MAROONS like you, that do not work or actually LEARN anything stealing from everyone else, the society breaks down.

GET IT? Maroons.

[MidnightChimes]

It's funny. Liberals believe in Darwinism but not 'survival of the fittest'. Conservatives disavow Darwinism but hold that tenet dearest.

I'd say, in that sense, that conservatives are as close to the untamed animal as possible. That's not a good or bad thing. It's just THE thing.

[sparkyj99]

~~> Today BO pardoned the turkeys and said this ~~> "This is what is truely ment by Thanksgiving, its being thankful for what we have and generous to those who have less"...

~~> Akin is pandering to peoples fears of socialism using a day that is supposed to inspire people to be social & charitable & thankful & caring & giving & helping & all the other dirty socialist ways... Poo on you Mr. Akin...

[booley]

can we require that before someone can get elected, they be required to pass a history test?

I know politicians lie and I accept that. But the GOP seems to lie a lot, most often lie to rewrite history and lie poorly.

[tjwdraws]

WOW! King James was a Socialist?! Who knew? (sarcasm).

[yoursaxman]

Why isn't the traditional Thanksgiving Dinner a "few kernels of corn on a plate"? And I sure miss those annual "knife fights in cabins"!!! ah- the good old days.

[MarkRosengarten]

How do we live in a nation that would elect an idiot like this? Guys like this don't actually believe their religious rantings...they use them to justify their championing of greed and manipulate voters into voting for them. And ENOUGH about "the children". They don't give a SHIT about "the children". It just makes a nice heart-tugging statement that gets votes. If they cared about "the children", they wouldn't be so eager to send a generation of them to war to die for nothing.

[dtorfleming]

What a fucking scumbag moron evangelical piece of shit. Socialism in the 17th century? This is the shit that is taught and expected at Fox, and is required of its republican servants.

[bustosricky]

Akin is wrong. pilgrims came to america because of alien robots taking over europe.

[bozolazic]

Sooo many levels of comedy. So little time.

[TheKaos007]

Wow you kids just like making up things to fit your own view,i guess a public education does that....LOL

[floydstinkyboy]

i can't hardly tell the difference between congress and a church these days.

[TheKaos007]

@floydstinkyboy Please give examples of how you cannot tell the difference?

Happy Thanksgiving...:>)

[whoo689]

Right... And gov't wasn't "The master of the people" when they enacted bullshit like the Patriot Act or went to war in Iraq and Afghanistan?? When they rounded up hundreds or thousands of random Muslims and Arab-Americans right after 9/11 and detained them?? Gimme a fucking break, Akin. A little more regulation and spending isn't "making us their servants." This is silly.

[TheKaos007]

@whoo689 Jeez at least we did not put them in camps like a Democratic president did in the second world war .......

[whoo689]

Socialism??? Wtf? How was the monarchy of the 1600s in Britain "socialist"? Yeah... it was so "socialist" that the kings of England conquered Ireland to basically turn it into their own corporatist feudal playing ground. Come on, Akin. God, this is laughable.

Besides, weren't the first Pilgrim and Puritan colonies kind of socialist in their own right?

[IAMtheNewWorldOrder]

Republicans just don't have the same respect for facts that we do. They just make shit up whenever they want. if the real story doesn't harmonize with their world view, they just make shit up.

And meanwhile, everyday they are working to try to make America exactly like Europe in the 17th & 18th centuries-where a few people have all the wealth and the rest of us fight over the crumbs. A religious theocracy where any wrong religions or sects are brutally suppressed.

[steveenoch]

I feel sorry for the people he is to represent. Surely they are not that stupid!

[rumpole33]

is akin saying that 1600s england was socialist? really? o.m.g. i guess we need to rewrite all the history books now.

the real irony is that if the pilgrims had stayed in england, all their descendants would be proteced healthwise by socialist universal healthcare, including dental, optical, & mental health treatments, unlike what they have here in america.

[TheKaos007]

@rumpole33 No, they would have been killed for there religious beliefs...

[rumpole33]

@TheKaos007: not really. there would be a fine for not attending official church of england services. some of the congregation went off to holland. from there, the congregation started to dissipate. some of the remaining ones went off to america.

[leftofcollegestation]

Congressman Akin basically just said, "I have never read a history book."

[junkforkaryn]

...another stupid turkey for thanksgiving.

[Scipio2021]

followed by this, Akin said regarding the TSA body scans:

"if you've done nothing wrong, you have nothing to hide"

[Scipio2021]

The rabid anti commie types need to give American a better option then status quo, incompetent, and corrupt Republicans.

Until then their paranoid rants are worthless and we should see them like we see monkeys playing with their crap.

[Bear5177]

What a dumbass. Socialism wasn't even thought of until the 18th century. Pilgrims left Europe in the 17th century. I so wish we would elect competent leaders.

[DcEatsItsYoung]

Fled socialism? Riiiigggggggghttt...

First of all, the pilgrims werent the founders.

Secondly, and this is kind of ironic. When the pilgrims got here, they didnt know shit about how to farm in the US. Many of them starved or nearly starved. And many had to recieve assitance from Native Americans in the form of food or instruction. Assistance we might now think of as Welfare...

So, recap. The pilgrims didnt flee socialism but they did go on a kind of welfare when they got here.

[Falsare]

i wish i could get the education Americans get in their school or at least in the school of this congressman.

No wonder a people can be fooled into ilegal wars over and over with such poor education.

[sparkyj99]

~~> Unbiblical?? What ever happened to breaking bread?? & didn't Jesus feed the masses with 3 fish?? & they killed the indians... Was that growing government the RIGHT way?? Was they're extermination the biblical way of doing things... It really gets my goose when people twist history to thier benifit the put the Jesus stamp on it so any questioning of thier logic turns into a persicution of thier ideals...

[DcEatsItsYoung]

@sparkyj99

Im not gonna say that Jesus promoted socialism...primarily because Jesus predated the formal ideology...although some of what he said sounds very similar.

However, the implication isnt just that socialism is unbiblical...its also the implication that our current system of "capitalism" is "biblical." And only a moron could be led to believe that any interpretation of the bible is an endorsement of the kind of capitalism we have today...

[sparkyj99]

@DcEatsItsYoung ~~> Good way os seeing things both ways... Made me lol... Most times I can't believe that these congress people say these things and keep thier composure... Even funnier the people who defend the nuttyness spread...

[FriedDaisy]

The pilgrims fled religious persecution and political oppression. When they came to America to establish the Plymouth Colony, they did so under the requirement that "all profits and benefits that are got by trade, working, fishing, or any other means" were to be placed into the "common stock" of the colony and that "all such persons as are of this colony are to have their provisions out of the common stock." Sort of "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need (socialism).

[AtSwimTwoBricks]

@AtSwimTwoBricks "the Plymouth Colony"

Yes, they appear to have used communal property. But it's jumping to conclusions to believe this is the reason they had so much trouble. There were a few other factors which may have had a larger influence, such as:

They landed in December. In New England.

And there were other colonies which had significant problems, despite using what we'd consider capitalism, private property, etc. Jamestown was once reduced to using cannibalism to get by.

[AtSwimTwoBricks]

(continued)

And regardless what cased Plymouth to suffer, the point is academic. Nobody is saying we should have communal property or a socialist system. Republicans, apparently unwilling to find real problems to complain about, are just scaremongering with imaginary enemies again. Which is sad, because we do have real problems. Unfortunately, from the point of view of a representative, addressing real problems require solutions and sticking your neck out. Far too dangerous. And it's work.

[endisnighe]

@AtSwimTwoBricks

"Nobody is saying we should have communal property or a socialist system."

Really?

What the hell do you think progressive income taxation is?

How about property taxation?

Do you even know what the basic tenets of the Constitution are?

Individual PROPERTY rights.

Labor in exchange for currency is NOT income. Therefore there was NO taxation of labor prior to the 16th amendment.

But folks like you just love to use EMOTIONAL arguments all the time, right?

Never FACTS.

[ProgressiveAudio]

@endisnighe Lol, what? "Maroon?" Oh dear...

What do the Amish and Mennonites or Pilgrims for that matter have to do with the current state of the Constitution? You do realize America existed long before the United States, right? How come every right-wing buffoon tries to goad me into some argument about the Constitution?

[AtSwimTwoBricks]

@endisnighe

I've got to give you a big WTF on that. Even if everything you said was true, it would still be irrelevant. It doesn't establish your point.

"But folks like you just love to use EMOTIONAL arguments all the time, right?"

Seriously, what the hell? Right now I'm just using confused looks.

[endisnighe]

@AtSwimTwoBricks

Do you even understand the argument between left and right?

Anarchy vs Totalitarianism and Individualism vs Collectivism

Income taxation is a form of collectivism.

Property taxation is a form of removal of property rights and is also collectivistic.

Sales taxation and TRUE income taxation as defined in the beginning of the US are the only true formats of Constitutional taxation. Taxing LABOR is a form of slavery. Look into indentured servitude and serfdom(% of production>Lord)

[AtSwimTwoBricks]

@endisnighe "Do you even understand the argument between left and right?"

Quite well.

"Anarchy vs Totalitarianism and Individualism vs Collectivism"

The arguments are entirely academic, but I know of them.

"Income taxation is a form of collectivism."

Aaaanndd... that's just bizarre crazy stuff.

"Property taxation is a form of removal of property rights and is also collectivistic."

More bizarre crazy stuff. Have you studied the philosophy behind any of this? The real philosophy, not Rand?

[AdamdeMalyns]

@AtSwimTwoBricks "Have you studied the philosophy behind any of this? The real philosophy, not Rand?"

I'd love to see an answer to that question. His philosophy, as much as we've seen, appears to be a 20th century radical interpretation of random ideological bits.

[jrhd00d84]

@AtSwimTwoBricks I'm trying so hard to picture income tax as being a form of collectivism. But I just don't see that. I'm trying so hard to understand what that statement means. I read that and I was like, no that does not make sense. Checked the dictionary and realized that it definitely does not make sense.

[justicecallicles]

@AtSwimTwoBricks "Yes, they appear to have used communal property. But it's jumping to conclusions to believe this is the reason they had so much trouble."

It's more than jumping to conclusions, it's a confusion of cause and effect. What they were doing amounted to emergency measures, justified by their dire straits. It didn't cause the very thing it was a reaction to; not unless time machines had been invented.

[endisnighe]

@justicecallicles

SOOOOO, what you are arguing is that is was correlative and not causal?

Is that YOUR postulate?

What other parameter had been changed, did they develop a new way of growing food or something? Did they develop the TV Mr Biden and share their problems? LOL

[justicecallicles]

@endisnighe "SOOOOO, what you are arguing is that is was correlative and not causal?"

If you read my comment, you'd know that I said it was causal.

[2bRealist]

... still didn't work out so well for the natives =/

[hollygolightly66]

Huh? The Royals were socialists? Historical facts mean nothing to these idiots.