I don't think it's wrong. Thera are many ways to do A rescue, with different materials and experience and cases.
You can clip the Casaulty to the top D-ring but it seems to be the same as you make the connection at the "ascender" D ring. In my opinion The control in the view of First AID is much better when you use the lower ring because of the distance between you and the casualty.
In the case of an accident the first responder medical check up (such as HOLK to find any bleedings, or in case of high energetic trauma.) you will have close supervision to the casualty. You can keep the casualty right up to make a connection between the chester D ring and a lower point.
If there is enough rope, you could also tie the ABK inside another ABK right below the casualty's kroll. Then you pick him from his kroll to his descender and come down, passing the shunt across the the other knot of course.
Also,The fall factor with this victim is NEVER higher than 0-0.5 because of the way i used it. At the friction point hand (highest point) is the shunt handled.So i think it will never get a force up to 20 kN on the shunt (Eye break limit force of the shunt (Petzl)). It shouldn't have ever have a shock load because of the height of the use in this system (IRATA ICOP 2010).This is A way to do. It is only a Demostration ho you can do it. It isn't a online training. It ónly can give you a vision!!
About the Shunt, we all should use EN 12841 A devices (wich Shunt is not). Moreover, Petzl says clearly not to use this device as a fall arrester (so why Irata keeps on using it?)
This film is made before the big dicussion about the Shunt. In the netherlands it's for this moment forbidden by the ARBO (Law). Our company rules agreed with this and for now we're using the ASAP petzl , Backup kong, Manta Heightec for rope access activities. We aren't using the shunt for backup anymore but the films are showing how to rescue (and are made in the time the shunt was world wide accepted as backup).
This is the way we trained for the IRATA Level 3 course last februari and we all pass. For this moment there is a lot of comment about the shunt as backup device. In the netherlands there is a research about the shunt for rope access use because of an (untrained person use) accident. Inside IRATA it isn't forbidden for now but The advice is to use a ASAP (petzl), Backup (kong) or a Manta (hightec). Otherwise inside the industy it is still used. so.... Thanx for your comment. Grz Bas L3/21175
It's impossible it don't reach the ground, because it's 1 mtr or 1.5 mtr you need in the extra alpine. Normally it will allready hits the ground. otherwise you can make again a rope change, your shunt (backup) is heigh enough. When you have to put up the guy, you dont have to pass knots, just hoist up both ropes. Greatings, Bas
Great video guys!! After you tie the alpine knot what happens if your rope does not reach the ground??? I have used a releasable hitch on my descender, have you used that method, thank you for your time....good job again guys!!!
I don't think it's wrong. Thera are many ways to do A rescue, with different materials and experience and cases.
You can clip the Casaulty to the top D-ring but it seems to be the same as you make the connection at the "ascender" D ring. In my opinion The control in the view of First AID is much better when you use the lower ring because of the distance between you and the casualty.
industrialropeaccess 6 months ago
In the case of an accident the first responder medical check up (such as HOLK to find any bleedings, or in case of high energetic trauma.) you will have close supervision to the casualty. You can keep the casualty right up to make a connection between the chester D ring and a lower point.
industrialropeaccess 6 months ago
the rescue is wrong the cassualty has to be clipped from the rescuer descender carabimmer to the chest d ring of the victim.
TheGionet 6 months ago
If there is enough rope, you could also tie the ABK inside another ABK right below the casualty's kroll. Then you pick him from his kroll to his descender and come down, passing the shunt across the the other knot of course.
jesuswater 6 months ago
That's the way to do it...just quit grabbing that shunt though !
alanw8951 11 months ago
Also,The fall factor with this victim is NEVER higher than 0-0.5 because of the way i used it. At the friction point hand (highest point) is the shunt handled.So i think it will never get a force up to 20 kN on the shunt (Eye break limit force of the shunt (Petzl)). It shouldn't have ever have a shock load because of the height of the use in this system (IRATA ICOP 2010).This is A way to do. It is only a Demostration ho you can do it. It isn't a online training. It ónly can give you a vision!!
industrialropeaccess 1 year ago
@industrialropeaccess
Good video guys.
About the Shunt, we all should use EN 12841 A devices (wich Shunt is not). Moreover, Petzl says clearly not to use this device as a fall arrester (so why Irata keeps on using it?)
delcampobase 1 year ago
@delcampobase
This film is made before the big dicussion about the Shunt. In the netherlands it's for this moment forbidden by the ARBO (Law). Our company rules agreed with this and for now we're using the ASAP petzl , Backup kong, Manta Heightec for rope access activities. We aren't using the shunt for backup anymore but the films are showing how to rescue (and are made in the time the shunt was world wide accepted as backup).
Greatings, Bas L3/21175
This film is
industrialropeaccess 1 year ago
@industrialropeaccess
Shunt or not, your videos are very nice. Thx for that.
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Cheers.
delcampobase 1 year ago
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delcampobase 1 year ago
This is the way we trained for the IRATA Level 3 course last februari and we all pass. For this moment there is a lot of comment about the shunt as backup device. In the netherlands there is a research about the shunt for rope access use because of an (untrained person use) accident. Inside IRATA it isn't forbidden for now but The advice is to use a ASAP (petzl), Backup (kong) or a Manta (hightec). Otherwise inside the industy it is still used. so.... Thanx for your comment. Grz Bas L3/21175
industrialropeaccess 1 year ago
Do You Know that your fall arrester breaks with 2,2Kn, shunt is forbiden to use in pope access, if you fall witht the victim you fall.
Use EN353-2 Sistems. lear in solucoesoutdoor
mariofezada 1 year ago
good rescue, however he did grab the body of his shunt at 1:15 and that's a deficiency in the eyes of an assessor.
ohana1981 1 year ago
@ohana1981 yes its true its better to use an extra shunt under the safety sunt to keep te fall factor on the shunt as loww as possible
TheGionet 6 months ago
It's impossible it don't reach the ground, because it's 1 mtr or 1.5 mtr you need in the extra alpine. Normally it will allready hits the ground. otherwise you can make again a rope change, your shunt (backup) is heigh enough. When you have to put up the guy, you dont have to pass knots, just hoist up both ropes. Greatings, Bas
industrialropeaccess 2 years ago
Great video guys!! After you tie the alpine knot what happens if your rope does not reach the ground??? I have used a releasable hitch on my descender, have you used that method, thank you for your time....good job again guys!!!
twenty4karat1980 2 years ago