“The Greeks equally owed many of their deities, and early arts, to the congers of the Tuskans in Asia Minor. The mythology of Etruria points to an Eastern, and to a Turanian, origin [...]" (J. G. R. Forlong, Encyclopedia of Religions or Faiths of Man, Teil 2, Kessinger Publishing, 2003, p.74)
It is also worth mentioning that modern Tuva, a Turanian people, call their shamanic protector spirits érénï - a cognate term for the ancient Hellenic erinnyes, which were dark "Fury" spirits that punished and pursued sinners (see "Shamanism" by Mircea Eliade, p.498)
okaçi ok bayrağı demekse kızılderililerdeki apaçi kabilesininde bununla bir alakası olabilirmi acaba...çünkü kızılderililerinde türklerle alakası olduğunu söyleyenler var ki ortak kelimelerimizin olması kafaları iyice karıştırıyor...
@burakkk55 ortak keimeler bulunabilir, mesela minesota demek berrak su demektir. sota=su. ama colomb amerikayı keşfettiğinde kızılderililerin 2kıtada 350binden fazla dil konuştuğu söylenir, bunları kaçı alt dil gurubu yada şive olduğu bilinmiyor. ve şuan bu dillerin çoğu yokolmuş ayrıca yazılı metinlerin az olması da zorlaştırıyor, yinede ağaç kabuklarına oyma runik yazıtlar bulunduğu söyleniyor. mevcut dil olarak daha çok grönland yerlilerine akraba diyorlar
"The Turks Gave Us Our God, Our Holy Cross, the Name of Jesus, and the Holy Trinity!" (Gene D. Matlock, What Strange Mystery Unites the Turkish Nations, India, Catholicism, and Mexico?, 2006, ch. 6, p.40)
latin alphabet is another form of old Runic GokhTurk alphabet.Greek is a mixture of Egyptian and Turanid Etruscans and Anatolians.Many intelligent and educated Greeks accept that and enjoy to be related to Turanids and Egyptians.But brainwashed rightist christian ones dont want to see the facts.
Turks built the Rome,maybe they learned these symbols from Etruscan Turanids.Greeks assimilated Anatolian Turks(trojans,lydians,hittites,sumerians...) and learned too many things from them.The science is clear about that many anatolian civilization language are ural-altaic-turanid language.Turks have always been in anatolia and they took their lands back from greek invaders.It is normal if greeks have Turanid symbols.
Old symbols, old logos, star, moon, sun etc. are universal values. You can find them in various cultures during history. This is a kind of cultural difussion and very normal interaction between cultures. Only God knows first sources of these symbols. Read wiki and learn who and where did you "steal" from! When I look at your flag I don'y why I remember USA.
@Igotangry That is exactly being "OQ" my dear. BTW, Will some historian prove finally that Jesus really existed? Besides if he really existed according to Murad Adji (kumuk-kipchak Turk, Russian historian) what he carried was not a wooden cross but a "T" shaped cross. Plus according to him the first church who adopted the Turkish flag with the OQ tamga was the armenian church around 3rd century. thats how the cross sign started. There is a full literature about this event.
turan does mean Turks and as told in Kutadgu Bilig Turk means time of mature youth and strength, to become many. Tur(an)=(Tur (s))=Turks have got to do with Turkish religion represents human borning like fruits from 9 branches of a holly three called as "bay terek". so called indo-european(?) but in reality ancient Turks called as Etruscians whom used to call themselves with the same name with holly Turkish Asena clan call JULY the warm-light-time of fruit&vegetable month as TURAN
@SirGeorge8600 The Turks Gave Us Our God, Our Holy Cross,
the Name of Jesus, and the Holy Trinity! (Gene D. Matlock, What Strange Mystery Unites the Turkish Nations, India, Catholicism, and Mexico?,ch. 6, p.40)
@SirGeorge8600 u have no idea about Turkhood :) that is clear. and also u have no idea what is told here :) it is not "christianity", it is the symbols that are being used.
today, so-called "latin" alphabet is based on Turkish runic alphabet. if you dont know what you are talking about, do not "deny" without actual knowledge.
(by the way; the "holy religions", including your prescious "xtianity" or islam or jewism, whatever are total bullshit, but it is another discussion)
So most European flags were inspired by turkish symbols ???? yeah right !!! We don't need innovative history opinions like this, it's pure propaganda for naive people just to confront the truth about your flag that is a Byzantin symbol.Archeologists found ancient coins of the era that proves it. You are still using things of cultural heritage and you don't even know it.COME TO REALITY PLEASE.!
@ThePROMITHEAS1 The "reality" can be found in Tengriism and in the Tengri-Cross of the ancient Huns.
The video below is just showing the pre-genesis of the cross and its influence to the eurasian tribes from earlier time periods. For further information you can asked amongst others Prof. Dr. Haluk Tarcan. Surely he will entlighen some points of view which you are interested in.
For further interest in Tengriism and Tengri-Cross, you can ask me in a private message.
@IdelUralState ΝΟ thanks!! I don't want to find your ''reality'' or nobody's else history, because i have already one and seems more accurate and genuine to me.
For further details about the history of the Greek flag you can send me also a P.M
@ThePROMITHEAS1 First of all you should have known that the Cross in Europe and as well as in Greece wasn't present until the arrival of the Huns in the 4th century AD. This is a simple and very well known fact.
Secondly the cross of the Huns represented the mighty Tengri, the Sky God, the main God of early Scythian, Hunnic and later Turkic tribes.
Thirdly, after the arrival of the Huns Tengriism became a major part of Pagan Christianity. Since then you guys are using the holy Cross of Tengri.
@IdelUralState You said ''First of all you should have known that the...'' . You must be joking of course referring to me like that. NO, it's not obligated for anyone , especially Greek , to know some ''history'' that is claiming all that. We have also proves for opposite opinions , then why SHOULD I ??? All these are fixed historic points for keeping up your ethnic ego, and as i see it's working. Keep it for you and your ''believers''. This dialogue is useless of course, you should know it !
"The Turks Gave Us Our God, Our Holy Cross, the Name of Jesus, and the Holy Trinity!" (Gene D. Matlock, What Strange Mystery Unites the Turkish Nations, India, Catholicism, and Mexico?, 2006, ch. 6, p.40)
You seem to be descandant of Anglo-Saxon, to your knowledge Anglo-Saxons were you Kyptchak forefathers from Attilas era.
the cross wasn't used on so many national flags until christianity was accepted as the national religion. i'm not a christian, so my viewpoint isn't religiously fixated, i couldnt care less. all im saying is christianity is the reason so many countries have the cross on their flag. now, maybe its true about ancient turkic tribes using it or whatever, but it doesn't mean the other countries actually got it from them. it isn't that hard a symbol to come up with.
bütün bu anlattıklarım gerçek bir hikayedir. Bunun üzerine kafadan sallama bir hikaye yazacak olsam şöyle olurdu. Türkler bundan onbinlerce yıl önce kendi aralarında bölünmüştür ve bir kısmı haçı alarak yaşayacak yeni bir yer arayan topluluk haline gelmiştir. Onlar göç etmiş ardından kalan Türkler HAÇlarını ve ÖÇlerini almak için peşlerinden gitmiştir derdim ve mantıksız olurdu. Ancak daha önce yazdıklarım tamamen mantıklı ve gerçektir. Oturup düşünün.
Hepsinden önemlisi zaten Ermenilere ilk HAÇI Türkler getirmiştir, ve tek tanrılı dinlerin de temelinde tartışmasız olarak Türk vardır. İlk vaftizi Türkler yapmıştır ve bugün sadece Tibette bunun örnekleri kalmıştır. Birçok çok Tanrılı dinin temelinde de Türk vardır.
(devamı) zaten Türkçeyi yeterince kavrarsak ve genel kültür olarak farklı yerlerden de beslenmişsek, sayı bilimi göz önüne alındığında iki tane bir toplanınca UÇ (+) (ADD) olduğunu görürüz. (neden kendimi bi an Bahçeli gibi hissettim hayırdır)
İngilizce edge (kenar aynı zanada uç anlamına da gelir) de ayrıca UÇ kökünden türemiş bi kelime gibi geliyor.
İngilizce hedge kelimeside UÇ kökünden türemiştir. Tükçe karşılığı "ÇİT" de kökünde UÇ barındırır.
(devamı) Yunan alfabesinde iki adet Gamma harfini birleştirirsenizde karşınıza UÇ çıkar. biri düz biri terst iki gamma tek bir noktada birleşir ve mizaç olarak farklı olsalarda yine bir denge unsurunu anlatır. + (toplama) İngilizceye (ve Latinceye) yine Türkçe olan UÇ kökünden geçmiştir ve AÇ diyememiş ve ADD (AAD) demişlerdir.
@ancalimonungol Yani senin dediğne göre "açmak" ve "uçmak" aynı kökten geliyor öyle mi dostum özür diliyerek belirtmek istiyorum ki ben bağlantı kuramadım.Türkler ve Ermenilerin bir çok ortak yanlarının olduğunu biliyorum özellikle kıpçaklar bu iki toplumun sentezi gibidir.Ve uzun süre kıpçakça Ermeni yazıları ile yazılmıştır.Ama bu sizin teoriniz bana biraz desteksiz geldi.
yes greeks getting upset again,well if the cross is your symbol let it be we respect that,but when you say that we are barbarians well think again,we are an old race just like you guys so stop dissing us and get on with your lives,work hard and strengthen your economy don't waste time watching u tube..
xaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxa you turks are so stupid!!!you barely write TODAY not before 10000 years that you didn't even exist.you didn't even exist before Christ.
95% of turks don't even speak a foreign language and 60 % of turkic population don't even go to school.
@IdelUralState this video is just for uneducated turks that fall in to the trap to compare Greek history with turkish.it's like comparing a goldfish with a whale!!!
@simonvarfis Educate yourself with international books of other anti-eurocentric works like Gene D. Matlock, Aurel Stein or Sven Lagerbring.
"History is actually a cycle, a very long cycle. It's not what we're taught in schools. What we're taught is effectively a 19th Century Fabrication, white supremacist, eurocentric con job." (John Anthony West)
@IdelUralState i am educated by Herodotus, Thucydides,Platon, Xenophon and Plutarch.i don't need guessing historians that translate history for their country's benefit or "other" countries benefit.education in Greece is ancient in addition with turkey and the rest of the world actually.
@simonvarfis Well and I am educated by Aurel Stein, Sven Lagerbring, Haluk Tarcan, Kazim Mirsan, Bilge Atung (real Father of Historians), Gene D. Matlock, Feodor Kveric, Lev Gumilyev, Lazslo Rasonyi, Zeki Velidi Togan and Wolfgang Scharlipp. I also read some Etruscan Historians. Their inscriptions had been fully transliterated by Kazim Mirsan in 1960.
Btw Platon and Plutarch were philosophs and Xenophon was a politician, isn't it ?
@simonvarfis ByTheWay, Platon, Xenephon and Plutarch were PHILOSOPHS. Do you know the difference between Philosophs and Historians ? It doesn't seem so. Bilge Atung (572-535 BC) was the first Historian not Heredotus, get this in mind please, he lived 87 years before him.
@IdelUralState first of all i'm not going to teach you about GREEK HISTORIANS search wikipedia fuckhead and second i don't know this atung and noone else i suppose that's why they teach Herodotus in all big colleges on earth
Something that all of you should know is that most of this european history that we would call fact is actually unproven. Europe was an illterate continent until alexander the greeks arrival in egypt. Do the research. The egyptians schooled theses people. So whenever you hear about european dynasties in b.c. up to 325 a.d be sure to realize there was no alphabet until they learned in egypt. Therefore they couldnt keep history due to no know how to write. Therefore things like this are made up.
@TheGavur : haç sözcüğünün kökeninde "uç" sözcüğü vardır. google da resim olarak "yurt roof" olarak aratırsan karşına yurtların tepesinde kullanılan uç denilen sayısız haç çıkacaktır. Günümüzde UÇmak fiili uç kökünden türemiştir. açı kelimesi uç kökünden türemiştir. kUŞ kelimesi uç kökünden türemiştir; zaten kuşlar gökyüzünde kanatlarını açınca haç şeklini alırlar. Bir şeyin en UCu derken, onunda kökü UÇ'tur. en yukarı, en uç anlamı taşır.
Can you provide a link with the cave and the artifact, that has has a more detailed picture? Because in your vid I see no cross in any of both. And, are these 2 the only "real" examples of your claimings? You know, slavo-vardaskians also claim that the star of vergina is slavic. But there are thousands of artifacts to prove it is greek. And oh, by the way, can you name a turk king or leader or even tribal chief that lived before the birth of jesus?
In the video you see the cross like structure within 4 further little crosses in 7:10 . This is Fikirtepe, Istanbul, dated back to 6000 BC. The first name of this city (or rather prehistoric village) was "Oy Urum Atin". The early inhabitants were Pre-Turkic Peoples who seattled from Eastern Europe and Balkan areas, where you can find the Pre-Turkic Vinca Culture (6.000 - 3.000 BC). The Vinca Peoples have had a runic like alphabet from which the Turkic Runes (3.800 BC) originally derived from.
this is silly, it's like saying "I invented bread". The cross is a common symbol, any idiot can think of that symbol...for you it has that meaning, for others a different meaning, but it is just two simple lines that cross each other! Not that difficult..
And yeah, maybe the Romans should have used another way to cross a human... but what other shape would do? maybe the X, it will be a happier symbol too hahah Get real people, use your mind and free it from fanaticism, don't carry it for nothing
@Discovios no , namely turks is meaning about federation , Tur= rule,flaw Ok = nation or creater ( as GOD )
tur-uk ( tur ok , tur - an ) is meaning the nation of Rule , or nation of the GOD (Tengri).
there was a egyptian god Ra ( of sun ) . but when ancient turks faked egyptians in ankara , they had met egyptians for first time. nad couse of that turks are using moons and stars in their culutre, moon and star. RA , Ri(teng-ri)
the religion of a Turk does not matter fool, we are Turks, 19 empires have we built regardless of religion or faith and if we were to be born a 1000 times may we be born again Turks, the belief of a Turk is in in his heart and soul, you guys deal with religion we dont... its just a means to an end
hahah europa history dont exist after 3OOO years and they thought their history is greek....but greek history is a big fake...they make too much copy from great big turkish history...
TURKS TOOK BACK THE ISTANBUL 1453 from greeks because turks were there before greeks...do u know barbarian greek fasits truva,sumerians were origin of turks...we write history and we will write again....
my friend turks you know the trouth and the real history, all the places you live now they were greek, much before you, almost all europe and asia were greek and they found greek symbols in china and caribian and if you take a better look in the names of oceans, islands, continents etc you will find the greek root in that. i am greek i am not isralian the cross perhaps it is by them and the fake jesus god, but the cross in the greek flag is not a cross..it is another symbol which only few know
OK well its like this have alook in greece an most of your names an citys have meaning in albanian....The stele of lemnos we can read easy not like youselfs.. greeks are made up of turk come...You an you history in all fabricated bullshit..
i have seen many people who had called "greek" for own . but which one of them were real greek ? i mean , some greeks are blonde and blue eyed , some greek balck hair blakc eyed dark skinned and haired like kurds , some greeks are brown hair and brown eyed and bronzed skin like italians ? which one of them real greek ? :D tell us .
turks are euroasia of turanid type nation ... we are not gypsyes like your nation ! aryan pride = (h)indo-iranian geypsyes nation ...
You are right.The cross was a very dificult symbol to be able to discover it.BTW is there any historical source to prove that greeks and the rest took it from turks cause the only fact we know is that turks took their flag from a byzantine coin
don't be confused my friend i know u are a turk (means a little wanker) but this doesn't mean that you can not understand simple things.i asked do u have any evidence that this very simple shape (the cross) was "stolen" from turks and they didn't use it as a christian symbol?
biz 16 bin yilindan bu bugune kadar tarihi ispat ediyoruz dna ler en buyuk ispat sumerlerin kimligi bilinmiyor yalan dili biz aral golununden asaigiya inen TURK KAVIMI inkalar mayalar BIZ herseyleri biziz ogrenin misir pramitleri bil ogren en buyuk piramit 168 metre cundeki ayni pimait 300metre dna ler TURK cinde yuz tane TURK PIRAMITI VAR mumyalar TURK DNA LERI ACIK ORTADA NEDEN YAVUZ HIRSIZ EV SAHIBINDEN HAKLI CIKIYOR TEK SEY HALKIMIZIN APTAL OLUSIU EGITIMSIZ OLUSU TEK SEY din
tahat s true story ok but u guys going mosque muslim and than u saying u r turk muslim = arab can t be TURKISH islam enemy TURKISH pls learn TURKISH HISTORY
The crescent moon and star were holy symbols for pre-Islamic Turkish tribes, while red was the cardinal colour for west in ancient Turkic culture. In Turkish tradition, red also represents hegemony, while white represents power, justice, exaltation and purity. Göktürks, a pre-Islamic Turkic people who lived in Central Asia, used crescent and star on their coins. A 1500 years old Göktürk coin includes three figures of a crescent moon and a star around the possible figure of a leader.
@GodFORZALoLhA thats a wikipedia copy/paste action you did in there. thats not your basic opinion. even tho it clashes with your basic opinion. so read before you copy/paste!
someone said crescent and moon and star is a greek symbol and Turks stole it.. i copied and pasted it from wikipedia to show crescent and moon have meanings for pre-Islamic Turks. what is my basic opinion ? and what clashes with my basic opinion ?
Shamanism is 70. 000 years old Turanic-Turkic peoples relign. Moon, son and svastika is shamanistik simbols. Cresent from the wood, first time make in Konan empire to panish roobers, cheaters and more. Visanian kings use wood cresents to collect to tax from the population. Tax collecting agents use small wood cresents like badge on chains like pendant the collect to taxes from population.
In evrope Shamanism changes to Paganism and after Crestianism.
The Babylonian, the Egyptians, the Druids, the Mayans - they all warship the Sun. They warship fake gods and were heavily involved into black magik...
But this ancient pagan religion has survived til today, and now is actually gaining popularity as the so called "New Age". But it's nothing more that worshiping the devil!
Sorry, I don't mean to sound scary :) but it's true.
Please, don't mix our Christian cross with any pagan symbols. We all know it represents the cross on which Jesus died.
On the other side - the most important symbol that all occult societies warship is that of the Sun, and so many people are trying to mix it with our Christian cross. Like they do in Zeitgeist. But I have a news for you - Zeitgeist was created by the NWO to further demolish Christians' faith.
Islam was created by the Vatican to block the spreading of Christianity. The symbols on Turkey's flag (and other nations) of the moon and the star are pagan. Just as Israel's "star of David" is!
How are they destroying Christianity? By making us all warship the Devil. Look at this nut chick Lady Ga Ga - everybody just loves her! But do u know she worships the Satan?
Look closer and u'll see how she uses the lightening symbol, which represents Satan. She even puts it on her face. And she has a "peace" tattoo on her hand, which actually represents the destruction of Christianity (inverted broken cross in a circle). Look at her videos and u'll see many more clues...
No worries brother, but it's must deeper and far more sinister that that. I can try to draw you a picture, but it's going to be shocking :) perhaps I can send you a pm if u want?
US is currently being destroyed by design - this current financial crisis didn't just happened by bad luck...Their goal is to totally ruin the American middle class which is primarily Christian. Do u know that there are over 600 CONCENTRATION CAMPS BEING BUILD IN THE US? Why is that?
Sure. I just choose to stick to the Bible and Jesus Christ when it comes to believes.
It's a fact Christianity is, and has been under attack, for hundreds of years. Because only the true Christians can stop the dark powers who are ruling the world and they know it.
I agree with you, that the power which is ruling the world now, is concentrated in the USA, isn't it ? And It is the capitalistic world system which is supporting this dark power.
Well, my friend I see you are very interested in this kind of topics. But be careful, keep track of it.
I am not saying that Christianity is bad or good. I am just showing some pre-historic scripts, nothing else. Everybody is equal, no matter if white black christian muslim jew or something else.
balkanturkic - it is IYI - I have seen stone in cravings of it in Pliska. so it's not IVI, but IYI, and it represents the Sun.
I don't expect u to care about Bulgaria. But what I'm talking about concerns not just my country, but yours, and every other country in the world. If you only knew what I meant you'd understand me better. We are being attacked by a hidden enemy my friend, who wants to destroy us all, and destroy Christianity with us!
But I really don't care what my origins are so much! I'd rather focus on the future and deal with the much bigger problems we're all having!!! But u have not idea about them!!!
balkanturkic, you have almost no knowledge of old bulgarian history. if you did, you'd know that not all proto-bulgarians warship Tangra. But even if they did, that doesn't make them Turkic.
The symbol |Y| is not from turkic origin my friend - it's proto-bulgarian and it represents the Sun!
I can list you 100 reasons why I don't think we originated from the Turcik, and that to me is juts another propaganda...
The crescent moon and star were holy symbols for pre-Islamic Turkish tribes, while red was the cardinal colour for west in ancient Turkic culture. In Turkish tradition, red also represents hegemony, while white represents power, justice, exaltation and purity. Göktürks, a pre-Islamic Turkic people who lived in Central Asia, used crescent and star on their coins. A 1500 years old Göktürk coin includes three figures of a crescent moon and a star around the possible figure of a leader
Electra,if u check Turkic Kurgan Culture,we had this symbol before Iron Age...Also if u don't believe me,I reccomend u American Author Gene D.Mathlock's "What Strange Mystery Unites the Turkish Nations, India, Catholicism, and Mexico?" book.
the Cross has nothing to do with the turks or turkic nations..
Also notice what the Davis Dictionary of the Bible states about the origin of the cross: The pre-Christian cross of one form or another was in use as a sacred symbol among the Chaldeans, the Phoenicians, the Eqyptians, and many othernations. The Spaniards in the 16th century found it also among the Indians of Mexico and Peru. But its symbolic teaching was quite different from that which we now associate the cross (p. 159)
ElectraOfMacedon , actually you are a greek, not macedon , after that i want to say about your origin ? do you think your origin is coming from hellenic people ? :D search on internet how british kingdom created greek nation :D and how was your new greek flag at first
times of creating greece by british :D then talk about turks , and turkish flag symbols. There is same sybol on gokturkic coins :D idiot :)
besides Deniz turks of turkey try to say that everything TURKIC NATIONS have dont or achieved is turkish..this is a big lie they are separate countries from the same race and turks pretty much havent contributed anything to this world :))
not even one single invention....ur history isnt longer than 1000 years....and u dont speak the same language with ur so called ''pre turks''
not to mention about UR FLAG SYMBOL! STOLEN FROM BYZANTINE GREEKS ;)
TURKISH means a part of TURKIC nation.I can understand what does an azeri or Turkmen say.And our history is longer than 6000 years,check Kurgan culture,also Sumerians,Aztecs,Etruscans and Mayans had connection with Turkic ppl.
P.S:Crescent and star was Turkic symbol since Asian Hun Empire(Xioung-nu)I can show u coins of Xioung-nu,which has star and moon on it...
Καλά το βίντεο είναι εντελώς ότι να 'ναι...!! Το έπιασες το παραμυθάκι που τους λέν στην Τουρκιά.. Ότι πριν από αυτούς... ήταν οι "προτουρκικοί λαοί" στην Ανατόλια και το χάφτουν ρε γμτ... Λέει ότι Βυζάντιο το έχτισα οι Τούρκοι πριν το 6000 π.Χ. ... Ότι ότι να ναι δλδ!!
ναι το επιασα...ειναι για τα μπαζα τελειως ...εναν αρχαιο Ελληνα συγγραφεα να τους αναφερεις και τους γκρεμιζεις ολα τους τα επιχειρηματα..o Kemal tin ksekinise aytoi tin paramytha...prospathoun na dosoun etsi tin entiposi sto lao oti den einai ''kataktites'' stin Anatolia alla nomimoi klironomoi tis perioxis oytos oste na min niothoun typseis gia tis genoktonies pou exoun kanei
Electra,if u check Turkic Kurgan Culture,we had this symbol before Iron Age...Also if u don't believe me,I reccomend u American Author Gene D.Mathlock's "What Strange Mystery Unites the Turkish Nations, India, Catholicism, and Mexico?" book.
And can I have a reference to a reliable encyclopedia as f.e. Britannica about those Turks who established Byzanz?? (My friend u had never established a city, NEVER even Ankara is the Greek name for Anchor, pls)
And I want to ask a question?? And I want an honest answer This city with the name "Byzanz" (as u call it) which "was populate by Greeks in 330AD and was established by Turks in 6000BC" (?????!!) is it the city of Byzantium, the previous name of Constantinople...???
And it is about time to admit that when Greeks starts to use the Cross (this very simple symbol, WHICH DOES APPEARS ACCIDENTALLY IN EVERY ALPHABET IN THE WORLD BECAUSE IT IS TOO SIMPLE TO WRITE IT!!) symbolizing the death of Jesus, Turks werent near this area
Especially I laughed with the term "Proto-Turks"!!! Pls guys... This term came from the propaganda of ur country... What are these proto turks..??? Define pls... Mongols, Turk-Mongols... What?? It's about time to learn some Greek and Christian history seriously...
Turks-Ottomans stole everything (even the Turkish flag) from other peoples culture, in opposition with the Ancient Greek and Medieval Byzantines huge contribution to worldwide culture...
The turkish flag is consisting of the Uç Tamğa (this will be my next video).
Btw wanna know what is Propaganda: INDO-EUROPEAN IS PROPAGANDA. You are owning even the Turkic Kurgan Culture ! (this will be one of my next videos as well as)
And yes the city of Byzantium is the previous name of Constantinople. And the previous name of Constantinople is Oy Urum Atim.
Not to forget Aegus which is from Turkic Öğüz.
When you want to read some books of Kazim Mirsan or Haluk Tarcan, then contact them.
Mmm... U r historically illiterate in an unbelievable extent!!! U know nothing about Christian history... Absolute nothing!!! U make things out of ur mind in order not to admit that ur people contributed NOTHING to the global civilization...
cheap bullshits ... no need to argue with that guy cuz he dont want to remember that the flag of turkey was the flag of cost/pole before turks appear in asia minor ...
btw i advice him to read a turkish myth of su khan.. its says that turkistan the land of turks was invaded by Alexander the Great ... turks must remember that we occupate part of turkistan ... according to that turk the term turkman was given from greeks to turks... turkmen- like a turk
pathetic
rav8x8 2 weeks ago
@rav8x8
“The Greeks equally owed many of their deities, and early arts, to the congers of the Tuskans in Asia Minor. The mythology of Etruria points to an Eastern, and to a Turanian, origin [...]" (J. G. R. Forlong, Encyclopedia of Religions or Faiths of Man, Teil 2, Kessinger Publishing, 2003, p.74)
Yes, very pathetic...
IdelUralState 2 weeks ago
@IdelUralState pseudo-historians is pseudo-historians...
rav8x8 4 days ago
@rav8x8
It is also worth mentioning that modern Tuva, a Turanian people, call their shamanic protector spirits érénï - a cognate term for the ancient Hellenic erinnyes, which were dark "Fury" spirits that punished and pursued sinners (see "Shamanism" by Mircea Eliade, p.498)
IdelUralState 4 days ago
okaçi ok bayrağı demekse kızılderililerdeki apaçi kabilesininde bununla bir alakası olabilirmi acaba...çünkü kızılderililerinde türklerle alakası olduğunu söyleyenler var ki ortak kelimelerimizin olması kafaları iyice karıştırıyor...
burakkk55 1 month ago
@burakkk55 ortak keimeler bulunabilir, mesela minesota demek berrak su demektir. sota=su. ama colomb amerikayı keşfettiğinde kızılderililerin 2kıtada 350binden fazla dil konuştuğu söylenir, bunları kaçı alt dil gurubu yada şive olduğu bilinmiyor. ve şuan bu dillerin çoğu yokolmuş ayrıca yazılı metinlerin az olması da zorlaştırıyor, yinede ağaç kabuklarına oyma runik yazıtlar bulunduğu söyleniyor. mevcut dil olarak daha çok grönland yerlilerine akraba diyorlar
ama atabaşlar kabilesi türk denir
karteorhan 1 week ago
@DespinaKouros
"The Turks Gave Us Our God, Our Holy Cross, the Name of Jesus, and the Holy Trinity!" (Gene D. Matlock, What Strange Mystery Unites the Turkish Nations, India, Catholicism, and Mexico?, 2006, ch. 6, p.40)
SarmatianRealm 1 month ago
@IdeUralState well done!!! Continue to reveal hidden secrets about us
OKY1500 3 months ago
latin alphabet is another form of old Runic GokhTurk alphabet.Greek is a mixture of Egyptian and Turanid Etruscans and Anatolians.Many intelligent and educated Greeks accept that and enjoy to be related to Turanids and Egyptians.But brainwashed rightist christian ones dont want to see the facts.
zzeynepp18 4 months ago
Turks built the Rome,maybe they learned these symbols from Etruscan Turanids.Greeks assimilated Anatolian Turks(trojans,lydians,hittites,sumerians...) and learned too many things from them.The science is clear about that many anatolian civilization language are ural-altaic-turanid language.Turks have always been in anatolia and they took their lands back from greek invaders.It is normal if greeks have Turanid symbols.
zzeynepp18 4 months ago
Interesting video mate!
ataturk1888 4 months ago
Do you have an English translation of the interview? Thanks.
chosop25 4 months ago
translate in greek
stratosanudis 4 months ago
Idiots!
Old symbols, old logos, star, moon, sun etc. are universal values. You can find them in various cultures during history. This is a kind of cultural difussion and very normal interaction between cultures. Only God knows first sources of these symbols. Read wiki and learn who and where did you "steal" from! When I look at your flag I don'y why I remember USA.
se404 4 months ago
even death of jesus on cross tale must have something to do with old hunnic Turkish belief. going to god with having no crime pure.
Igotangry 4 months ago 4
@Igotangry That is exactly being "OQ" my dear. BTW, Will some historian prove finally that Jesus really existed? Besides if he really existed according to Murad Adji (kumuk-kipchak Turk, Russian historian) what he carried was not a wooden cross but a "T" shaped cross. Plus according to him the first church who adopted the Turkish flag with the OQ tamga was the armenian church around 3rd century. thats how the cross sign started. There is a full literature about this event.
The17thstar 2 weeks ago
turan does mean Turks and as told in Kutadgu Bilig Turk means time of mature youth and strength, to become many. Tur(an)=(Tur (s))=Turks have got to do with Turkish religion represents human borning like fruits from 9 branches of a holly three called as "bay terek". so called indo-european(?) but in reality ancient Turks called as Etruscians whom used to call themselves with the same name with holly Turkish Asena clan call JULY the warm-light-time of fruit&vegetable month as TURAN
Igotangry 4 months ago
history is nothing without Turks
1905GALATASARAYY 6 months ago
kardeşim elerine sağlık çok güzel olmuş keşke senin gibi zeki gözü gerçeğe açılmış insanlardan bu dünyada çokça olsa!
TheMishtak 7 months ago
Turks didn't invent the Christian cross, nor did they exist in 6000 B.C. Good day.
SirGeorge8600 8 months ago
@SirGeorge8600 The Turks Gave Us Our God, Our Holy Cross,
the Name of Jesus, and the Holy Trinity! (Gene D. Matlock, What Strange Mystery Unites the Turkish Nations, India, Catholicism, and Mexico?,ch. 6, p.40)
IdelUralState 6 months ago
@SirGeorge8600 u have no idea about Turkhood :) that is clear. and also u have no idea what is told here :) it is not "christianity", it is the symbols that are being used.
today, so-called "latin" alphabet is based on Turkish runic alphabet. if you dont know what you are talking about, do not "deny" without actual knowledge.
(by the way; the "holy religions", including your prescious "xtianity" or islam or jewism, whatever are total bullshit, but it is another discussion)
DrCaniko 6 months ago
Thanks ! Excellent video! Grat from Hungary!
TheHunpower1 8 months ago
So most European flags were inspired by turkish symbols ???? yeah right !!! We don't need innovative history opinions like this, it's pure propaganda for naive people just to confront the truth about your flag that is a Byzantin symbol.Archeologists found ancient coins of the era that proves it. You are still using things of cultural heritage and you don't even know it.COME TO REALITY PLEASE.!
ThePROMITHEAS1 8 months ago
@ThePROMITHEAS1 The "reality" can be found in Tengriism and in the Tengri-Cross of the ancient Huns.
The video below is just showing the pre-genesis of the cross and its influence to the eurasian tribes from earlier time periods. For further information you can asked amongst others Prof. Dr. Haluk Tarcan. Surely he will entlighen some points of view which you are interested in.
For further interest in Tengriism and Tengri-Cross, you can ask me in a private message.
sincerly
IdelUralState
IdelUralState 8 months ago
@IdelUralState ΝΟ thanks!! I don't want to find your ''reality'' or nobody's else history, because i have already one and seems more accurate and genuine to me.
For further details about the history of the Greek flag you can send me also a P.M
Sincerely
PROMITHEAS
ThePROMITHEAS1 8 months ago
@ThePROMITHEAS1 First of all you should have known that the Cross in Europe and as well as in Greece wasn't present until the arrival of the Huns in the 4th century AD. This is a simple and very well known fact.
Secondly the cross of the Huns represented the mighty Tengri, the Sky God, the main God of early Scythian, Hunnic and later Turkic tribes.
Thirdly, after the arrival of the Huns Tengriism became a major part of Pagan Christianity. Since then you guys are using the holy Cross of Tengri.
IdelUralState 8 months ago 2
@IdelUralState You said ''First of all you should have known that the...'' . You must be joking of course referring to me like that. NO, it's not obligated for anyone , especially Greek , to know some ''history'' that is claiming all that. We have also proves for opposite opinions , then why SHOULD I ??? All these are fixed historic points for keeping up your ethnic ego, and as i see it's working. Keep it for you and your ''believers''. This dialogue is useless of course, you should know it !
ThePROMITHEAS1 7 months ago
@ThePROMITHEAS1 Of course this dialogue is useless, so why you are commenting with your antique "knowlege" then ?
"It is easier to believe a lie that was told over hundred times, than the truth that was never heard."
Robert S. Lynd
IdelUralState 7 months ago 4
@IdelUralState kardeşim elerine sağlık çok güzel olmuş keşke senin gibi zeki gözü gerçeğe açılmış insanlardan bu dünyada çokça olsa
TheMishtak 7 months ago
Hi from Chinese.
Your old friends Turkish people
6600W 10 months ago
lol, the cross represents christianity.
understood? you turkic sand nigger!
texascowboygunfan 11 months ago
@texascowboygunfan
"The Turks Gave Us Our God, Our Holy Cross, the Name of Jesus, and the Holy Trinity!" (Gene D. Matlock, What Strange Mystery Unites the Turkish Nations, India, Catholicism, and Mexico?, 2006, ch. 6, p.40)
You seem to be descandant of Anglo-Saxon, to your knowledge Anglo-Saxons were you Kyptchak forefathers from Attilas era.
IdelUralState 1 month ago
the cross wasn't used on so many national flags until christianity was accepted as the national religion. i'm not a christian, so my viewpoint isn't religiously fixated, i couldnt care less. all im saying is christianity is the reason so many countries have the cross on their flag. now, maybe its true about ancient turkic tribes using it or whatever, but it doesn't mean the other countries actually got it from them. it isn't that hard a symbol to come up with.
JonathanGiann 11 months ago 2
bütün bu anlattıklarım gerçek bir hikayedir. Bunun üzerine kafadan sallama bir hikaye yazacak olsam şöyle olurdu. Türkler bundan onbinlerce yıl önce kendi aralarında bölünmüştür ve bir kısmı haçı alarak yaşayacak yeni bir yer arayan topluluk haline gelmiştir. Onlar göç etmiş ardından kalan Türkler HAÇlarını ve ÖÇlerini almak için peşlerinden gitmiştir derdim ve mantıksız olurdu. Ancak daha önce yazdıklarım tamamen mantıklı ve gerçektir. Oturup düşünün.
ancalimonungol 1 year ago
Hepsinden önemlisi zaten Ermenilere ilk HAÇI Türkler getirmiştir, ve tek tanrılı dinlerin de temelinde tartışmasız olarak Türk vardır. İlk vaftizi Türkler yapmıştır ve bugün sadece Tibette bunun örnekleri kalmıştır. Birçok çok Tanrılı dinin temelinde de Türk vardır.
ancalimonungol 1 year ago
(devamı) zaten Türkçeyi yeterince kavrarsak ve genel kültür olarak farklı yerlerden de beslenmişsek, sayı bilimi göz önüne alındığında iki tane bir toplanınca UÇ (+) (ADD) olduğunu görürüz. (neden kendimi bi an Bahçeli gibi hissettim hayırdır)
İngilizce edge (kenar aynı zanada uç anlamına da gelir) de ayrıca UÇ kökünden türemiş bi kelime gibi geliyor.
İngilizce hedge kelimeside UÇ kökünden türemiştir. Tükçe karşılığı "ÇİT" de kökünde UÇ barındırır.
Örnekler sayısız araştırın.
ancalimonungol 1 year ago
(devamı) Yunan alfabesinde iki adet Gamma harfini birleştirirsenizde karşınıza UÇ çıkar. biri düz biri terst iki gamma tek bir noktada birleşir ve mizaç olarak farklı olsalarda yine bir denge unsurunu anlatır. + (toplama) İngilizceye (ve Latinceye) yine Türkçe olan UÇ kökünden geçmiştir ve AÇ diyememiş ve ADD (AAD) demişlerdir.
ancalimonungol 1 year ago
(bir önceki yazıdan devam) Hayat ağacı demişken ayrıca ağAÇ adı ve AÇmak fiili de UÇ kökünden türemiştir.
HAÇ Türkler için hiç bir zaman diğer herhangi bir şeyden daha kutlu bir şey olmamıştır çünkü Türklerde kutlu olmayan hiç bir oldu yoktur.
Haç sadece bir araçtır ve amacı kendisinden daha kutlu şeyleri anlamaya yöneliktir.
Yurtların tepesinde yurdun dengede durmasını sağlar ve yapısının bütünlüğünü korumasını sağlar.
Her şeyin tekten var olduğunu ve teke döneceğini anlatır.
ancalimonungol 1 year ago
@ancalimonungol Yani senin dediğne göre "açmak" ve "uçmak" aynı kökten geliyor öyle mi dostum özür diliyerek belirtmek istiyorum ki ben bağlantı kuramadım.Türkler ve Ermenilerin bir çok ortak yanlarının olduğunu biliyorum özellikle kıpçaklar bu iki toplumun sentezi gibidir.Ve uzun süre kıpçakça Ermeni yazıları ile yazılmıştır.Ama bu sizin teoriniz bana biraz desteksiz geldi.
TheGavur 1 year ago
yes greeks getting upset again,well if the cross is your symbol let it be we respect that,but when you say that we are barbarians well think again,we are an old race just like you guys so stop dissing us and get on with your lives,work hard and strengthen your economy don't waste time watching u tube..
mraltay71 1 year ago
xaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxa you turks are so stupid!!!you barely write TODAY not before 10000 years that you didn't even exist.you didn't even exist before Christ.
95% of turks don't even speak a foreign language and 60 % of turkic population don't even go to school.
simonvarfis 1 year ago
@simonvarfis And I am Pope Benedikt XVI.
IdelUralState 1 year ago
@IdelUralState by the way the cross is just two lines not something special fuckhead even a kid can design that who O.Q,prototurk and greek!!!!
xaxaxaxaxaxa as i said you are just embarrassing yourselves with these crap!!!!
simonvarfis 1 year ago
@simonvarfis Just two lines ? I think you know that this symbol is holy. It is used since thousand of years on the whole globe.
IdelUralState 1 year ago
@IdelUralState this video is just for uneducated turks that fall in to the trap to compare Greek history with turkish.it's like comparing a goldfish with a whale!!!
simonvarfis 1 year ago
@simonvarfis Educate yourself with international books of other anti-eurocentric works like Gene D. Matlock, Aurel Stein or Sven Lagerbring.
"History is actually a cycle, a very long cycle. It's not what we're taught in schools. What we're taught is effectively a 19th Century Fabrication, white supremacist, eurocentric con job." (John Anthony West)
IdelUralState 1 year ago
@IdelUralState i am educated by Herodotus, Thucydides,Platon, Xenophon and Plutarch.i don't need guessing historians that translate history for their country's benefit or "other" countries benefit.education in Greece is ancient in addition with turkey and the rest of the world actually.
simonvarfis 1 year ago
@simonvarfis Well and I am educated by Aurel Stein, Sven Lagerbring, Haluk Tarcan, Kazim Mirsan, Bilge Atung (real Father of Historians), Gene D. Matlock, Feodor Kveric, Lev Gumilyev, Lazslo Rasonyi, Zeki Velidi Togan and Wolfgang Scharlipp. I also read some Etruscan Historians. Their inscriptions had been fully transliterated by Kazim Mirsan in 1960.
Btw Platon and Plutarch were philosophs and Xenophon was a politician, isn't it ?
IdelUralState 1 year ago
@IdelUralState btw Plato Plutarch and Xenophon were also historians maybe your unknown historians didn't educate you so good are they?
simonvarfis 1 year ago
@simonvarfis ByTheWay, Platon, Xenephon and Plutarch were PHILOSOPHS. Do you know the difference between Philosophs and Historians ? It doesn't seem so. Bilge Atung (572-535 BC) was the first Historian not Heredotus, get this in mind please, he lived 87 years before him.
IdelUralState 1 year ago
@IdelUralState first of all i'm not going to teach you about GREEK HISTORIANS search wikipedia fuckhead and second i don't know this atung and noone else i suppose that's why they teach Herodotus in all big colleges on earth
simonvarfis 1 year ago
Something that all of you should know is that most of this european history that we would call fact is actually unproven. Europe was an illterate continent until alexander the greeks arrival in egypt. Do the research. The egyptians schooled theses people. So whenever you hear about european dynasties in b.c. up to 325 a.d be sure to realize there was no alphabet until they learned in egypt. Therefore they couldnt keep history due to no know how to write. Therefore things like this are made up.
IdelUralState 1 year ago
@IdelUralState also the father of history is Herodotus your bilge atung guy is a nobody in front of him.
simonvarfis 1 year ago
bu haç oz damgası değil mi ? ok denmiş ama
saatkulecisi 1 year ago
Yahu Haç sözcüğü Ermenice den Türkçeye girdi.Bu amca hakında ne söylesem üzücü olur.En iyisi susmak :(
TheGavur 1 year ago
@TheGavur Sen hiç Tengri-Haç'indan duydun mu ki yahu xD Türk Tengri-Haçi nasil Ermenilere gectigini biliyor musun ki ? Yazik yani :(
IdelUralState 1 year ago
@TheGavur
Bu "OQ" Ön-Türklere ait bir Tamga'dır.
jezter2k 1 year ago
@TheGavur : haç sözcüğünün kökeninde "uç" sözcüğü vardır. google da resim olarak "yurt roof" olarak aratırsan karşına yurtların tepesinde kullanılan uç denilen sayısız haç çıkacaktır. Günümüzde UÇmak fiili uç kökünden türemiştir. açı kelimesi uç kökünden türemiştir. kUŞ kelimesi uç kökünden türemiştir; zaten kuşlar gökyüzünde kanatlarını açınca haç şeklini alırlar. Bir şeyin en UCu derken, onunda kökü UÇ'tur. en yukarı, en uç anlamı taşır.
ancalimonungol 1 year ago
Can you provide a link with the cave and the artifact, that has has a more detailed picture? Because in your vid I see no cross in any of both. And, are these 2 the only "real" examples of your claimings? You know, slavo-vardaskians also claim that the star of vergina is slavic. But there are thousands of artifacts to prove it is greek. And oh, by the way, can you name a turk king or leader or even tribal chief that lived before the birth of jesus?
NeutralNegotiator 1 year ago
In the video you see the cross like structure within 4 further little crosses in 7:10 . This is Fikirtepe, Istanbul, dated back to 6000 BC. The first name of this city (or rather prehistoric village) was "Oy Urum Atin". The early inhabitants were Pre-Turkic Peoples who seattled from Eastern Europe and Balkan areas, where you can find the Pre-Turkic Vinca Culture (6.000 - 3.000 BC). The Vinca Peoples have had a runic like alphabet from which the Turkic Runes (3.800 BC) originally derived from.
IdelUralState 1 year ago
@IdelUralState can you send me any links where I can read those facts?
NeutralNegotiator 1 year ago
this is silly, it's like saying "I invented bread". The cross is a common symbol, any idiot can think of that symbol...for you it has that meaning, for others a different meaning, but it is just two simple lines that cross each other! Not that difficult..
And yeah, maybe the Romans should have used another way to cross a human... but what other shape would do? maybe the X, it will be a happier symbol too hahah Get real people, use your mind and free it from fanaticism, don't carry it for nothing
blestra 1 year ago
Didn't you know that all people are Turks?
Discovios 1 year ago
@Discovios no , namely turks is meaning about federation , Tur= rule,flaw Ok = nation or creater ( as GOD )
tur-uk ( tur ok , tur - an ) is meaning the nation of Rule , or nation of the GOD (Tengri).
there was a egyptian god Ra ( of sun ) . but when ancient turks faked egyptians in ankara , they had met egyptians for first time. nad couse of that turks are using moons and stars in their culutre, moon and star. RA , Ri(teng-ri)
/watch?v=FitYfow3LYk watch this
MrEmretti 1 year ago
nice vid didnt know this ;)
xFantasyartx 1 year ago
@xFantasyartx
Yes this is facts :)
IdelUralState 1 year ago
@good2goski
Officially 500 AD...
Inofficially 879 BC...
Before that Turks used those signs from 14,000 BC untill today...
IdelUralState 1 year ago
@good2goski
You have to go to Italian Universities.. There some claiming their proven Turkness...Even the Pelasgians Turkness.
"Centuries let appear seldom Genies. What a fortune that of all time this seldom Genie was given to the Turkish People: Atatürk." (Lloyd George)
Be happy that since Atatürks death in 1938 the western propagandists are brainwashing the todays turkish education system.
IdelUralState 1 year ago
the religion of a Turk does not matter fool, we are Turks, 19 empires have we built regardless of religion or faith and if we were to be born a 1000 times may we be born again Turks, the belief of a Turk is in in his heart and soul, you guys deal with religion we dont... its just a means to an end
vombastic 1 year ago
@vombastic yes its correct, we turks know there is a god thats why turks never worshiped any animal, picture, or statue.
We worshiped the sky god also called Tengri
xFantasyartx 1 year ago
Nice video, brother.
WorldHistory000 1 year ago
sorry what ?! due to official sources ?! university of Ankara ?! Sorry but we are not believing in western imposed non-sense propaganda !!!
We have our own Teacher ! ATATÜRK ! The hypocrite will always dream of HIM !
You greeks are just christian Turks.
IdelUralState 1 year ago
oh man christian turks?
HOW ABOUGHT MUCH TURKS ARE ISLAMIZED HELLENES?
YOU EVER THOUGHT ABOUGHT THAT MY FRIEND?
ketoras 1 year ago
We are not talking about 1000 years, but rather 4000 years. In this case it has another meaning in terms of Pre-History.
IdelUralState 1 year ago
Of course that's true. The europeans exists maybe 3000 years. Greeks are the sons of Turkish fathers, that's the balkan.
Greeks say always that all the history is from the Greeks. They stole the turkish history.
turks have much more history. We have 39 turkish cultures (39 turkic peoples).
DonGiovanni008 1 year ago
hahah europa history dont exist after 3OOO years and they thought their history is greek....but greek history is a big fake...they make too much copy from great big turkish history...
stargate4466 1 year ago 10
TURKS TOOK BACK THE ISTANBUL 1453 from greeks because turks were there before greeks...do u know barbarian greek fasits truva,sumerians were origin of turks...we write history and we will write again....
stargate4466 1 year ago 10
my friend turks you know the trouth and the real history, all the places you live now they were greek, much before you, almost all europe and asia were greek and they found greek symbols in china and caribian and if you take a better look in the names of oceans, islands, continents etc you will find the greek root in that. i am greek i am not isralian the cross perhaps it is by them and the fake jesus god, but the cross in the greek flag is not a cross..it is another symbol which only few know
hipis123 1 year ago
yes, it is the simbol WHO creater your pathetic state and nation :)
your german+french+british master :)
btw, the lands where the Turks are living were NEVER greek, it is one of the lies of the "greek" history and state policy
you need re-education, because you are poisoned by fascist ideas from a fascist education system in a fascist state
LihnidRootz 1 year ago 4
lmao you greeks are fucking so dumb you cant claim that everything was greek,OH my gosh use are a fucked up race,,
ktm066 1 year ago
OK well its like this have alook in greece an most of your names an citys have meaning in albanian....The stele of lemnos we can read easy not like youselfs.. greeks are made up of turk come...You an you history in all fabricated bullshit..
ktm066 1 year ago
@YiannisThiakos
LOOK THE MATHEMATIC SYMBOLS OF GREEK FLAG RIGTH HERE.......
....+....=....=
GREEKS + SHEEPS = CENTAUR = GREEK MYTHOLOGY
TURUKKUs 1 year ago
@YiannisThiakos
@YiannisThiakos
The moon, star and sun are shamanistic symbols. Also zodiaks are used in shamanism. Shamanism came to Europe and was named Paganism.
TURUKKUs 1 year ago
@YiannisThiakos
i have seen many people who had called "greek" for own . but which one of them were real greek ? i mean , some greeks are blonde and blue eyed , some greek balck hair blakc eyed dark skinned and haired like kurds , some greeks are brown hair and brown eyed and bronzed skin like italians ? which one of them real greek ? :D tell us .
turks are euroasia of turanid type nation ... we are not gypsyes like your nation ! aryan pride = (h)indo-iranian geypsyes nation ...
MrEmretti 1 year ago
@IdelUralState
Neden benim yazimi cikrmisin?
Eslin ititren haramzadadir demisler. Sen eslini itirmishsense benden shamalik barede sorgu aliyorsansa neden yazimi goturuyorsun?
Ay ve ulduz ishareleri 70000 illik Turk inanci olmush Shaman inancindan gelir.
TURUKKUs 2 years ago 3
You are right.The cross was a very dificult symbol to be able to discover it.BTW is there any historical source to prove that greeks and the rest took it from turks cause the only fact we know is that turks took their flag from a byzantine coin
Makedonphilipos 2 years ago
@Makedonphilipos
As I said the Türük Bil Emprie (879 BC) and the At Oy Bil Empire (1715 BC) had this coins long before Greeks were even originated.
IdelUralState 2 years ago
don't be confused my friend i know u are a turk (means a little wanker) but this doesn't mean that you can not understand simple things.i asked do u have any evidence that this very simple shape (the cross) was "stolen" from turks and they didn't use it as a christian symbol?
Makedonphilipos 2 years ago
@Makedonphilipos
This Symbol was just adopted by europeans.
The evidence should be in the video. 4:23 , 6:55
Very Nice, you know that I am a TÜRK.
Or rather BULGAR-TÜRK for your exact information.
IdelUralState 2 years ago
@Makedonphilipos
This Symbol was just adopted by europeans.
The evidence should be in the video. 4:23 , 6:55
Very Nice, you know that I am a TÜRK.
Or rather BULGAR-TÜRK for your exact information.
I am Greek Macedonian from kastoria > ?????
make your mind up are you Bulgar-Maso-Greek-Turk ????????
fkxp 2 years ago
@alnllc
Not only Turkey, but also Central Asian and East European Turk-Republics.
IdelUralState 2 years ago
yes, all turkic type people.
alnllc 2 years ago 3
TRY TO BE HUMAN AND YOU WONT HAVE TO FIND PROTECTION FOR YOUR RIGHS.
/Soycu/
Azerbaycan 2 years ago 5
Turkic peoples always TRUE.
We hate wrong countrys and wrong peoples.
Azerbaycan 2 years ago 2
great job!
jasc1453 2 years ago 6
biz 16 bin yilindan bu bugune kadar tarihi ispat ediyoruz dna ler en buyuk ispat sumerlerin kimligi bilinmiyor yalan dili biz aral golununden asaigiya inen TURK KAVIMI inkalar mayalar BIZ herseyleri biziz ogrenin misir pramitleri bil ogren en buyuk piramit 168 metre cundeki ayni pimait 300metre dna ler TURK cinde yuz tane TURK PIRAMITI VAR mumyalar TURK DNA LERI ACIK ORTADA NEDEN YAVUZ HIRSIZ EV SAHIBINDEN HAKLI CIKIYOR TEK SEY HALKIMIZIN APTAL OLUSIU EGITIMSIZ OLUSU TEK SEY din
purcalik 2 years ago 7
tahat s true story ok but u guys going mosque muslim and than u saying u r turk muslim = arab can t be TURKISH islam enemy TURKISH pls learn TURKISH HISTORY
purcalik 2 years ago 6
Interesting matter.
You should read:
What Strange Mystery Unites the Turkish Nations, India, Catholicism, and Mexico" from the writer Gene D. Matlock.
He tells more about these kind of relations between the Turkish nations and Christianity.
(the Cross is a Turkish symbol from thousands of years ago).
Scytalh 2 years ago 7
It is the TRUE story...
KipchakTegin 2 years ago 36
@KipchakTegin and my grandmother was an astronaut hahahahaahha
REAPERofHELLas 2 years ago
The crescent moon and star were holy symbols for pre-Islamic Turkish tribes, while red was the cardinal colour for west in ancient Turkic culture. In Turkish tradition, red also represents hegemony, while white represents power, justice, exaltation and purity. Göktürks, a pre-Islamic Turkic people who lived in Central Asia, used crescent and star on their coins. A 1500 years old Göktürk coin includes three figures of a crescent moon and a star around the possible figure of a leader.
GodFORZALoLhA 2 years ago 21
@GodFORZALoLhA ....the turkish flag is gkeek symbol /watch?v=K_Tp5Mvs6yw
HAHAHAHA
REAPERofHELLas 2 years ago
@REAPERofHELLas u read my comment and still think it ? lol
GodFORZALoLhA 2 years ago 4
@GodFORZALoLhA...These you say are stupid .... the cross is an ancient Greek symbol, and goes back to the Mycenaean era, 2000 BC, perhaps more old
REAPERofHELLas 2 years ago
REAPERofHELLas
u said Turkish flag is greek. i said no.. where did i talk about cross ??
GodFORZALoLhA 2 years ago 7
@GodFORZALoLhA ....The crescent moon and star, was a symbol of the goddess Aphrodite , the currency of the ancient Byzantium is of 600 BC
REAPERofHELLas 2 years ago
REAPERofHELLas
crescent and star is a Turkish symbol and u can see it on Turkic coins in 500 AD.
also crescent and star are sumerian, egyptian symbols . I guess older than 2000 BC
GodFORZALoLhA 2 years ago 7
@GodFORZALoLhA....talk about both, and not singularly the crescent,or, the star,
The currency is the best evidence
REAPERofHELLas 2 years ago
we used crescent and star in coins too.. and i has meanings as i said in other comments.
i can show u a link if u want
GodFORZALoLhA 2 years ago 7
@GodFORZALoLhA thats a wikipedia copy/paste action you did in there. thats not your basic opinion. even tho it clashes with your basic opinion. so read before you copy/paste!
VlkClk 2 years ago
@VlkClk
someone said crescent and moon and star is a greek symbol and Turks stole it.. i copied and pasted it from wikipedia to show crescent and moon have meanings for pre-Islamic Turks. what is my basic opinion ? and what clashes with my basic opinion ?
GodFORZALoLhA 2 years ago 8
sorry bro. i thought you were the one who said that. my bad.
VlkClk 2 years ago
@VlkClk
Shamanism is 70. 000 years old Turanic-Turkic peoples relign. Moon, son and svastika is shamanistik simbols. Cresent from the wood, first time make in Konan empire to panish roobers, cheaters and more. Visanian kings use wood cresents to collect to tax from the population. Tax collecting agents use small wood cresents like badge on chains like pendant the collect to taxes from population.
In evrope Shamanism changes to Paganism and after Crestianism.
Azerbaycan 2 years ago 3
The Babylonian, the Egyptians, the Druids, the Mayans - they all warship the Sun. They warship fake gods and were heavily involved into black magik...
But this ancient pagan religion has survived til today, and now is actually gaining popularity as the so called "New Age". But it's nothing more that worshiping the devil!
Sorry, I don't mean to sound scary :) but it's true.
Bulkhan 2 years ago
Please, don't mix our Christian cross with any pagan symbols. We all know it represents the cross on which Jesus died.
On the other side - the most important symbol that all occult societies warship is that of the Sun, and so many people are trying to mix it with our Christian cross. Like they do in Zeitgeist. But I have a news for you - Zeitgeist was created by the NWO to further demolish Christians' faith.
Bulkhan 2 years ago
look at viking symbols , viking were pagans too and they aslo had have a this symbols ! very similar symbols to turkic tamgas .
balkanturkic 2 years ago 8
Islam was created by the Vatican to block the spreading of Christianity. The symbols on Turkey's flag (and other nations) of the moon and the star are pagan. Just as Israel's "star of David" is!
Bulkhan 2 years ago
its very funny, greeks stolen from turks, turks stolen from greeks :)
arischerhund 2 years ago
Long live Turks
caanni 2 years ago
How are they destroying Christianity? By making us all warship the Devil. Look at this nut chick Lady Ga Ga - everybody just loves her! But do u know she worships the Satan?
Look closer and u'll see how she uses the lightening symbol, which represents Satan. She even puts it on her face. And she has a "peace" tattoo on her hand, which actually represents the destruction of Christianity (inverted broken cross in a circle). Look at her videos and u'll see many more clues...
Bulkhan 2 years ago
No worries brother, but it's must deeper and far more sinister that that. I can try to draw you a picture, but it's going to be shocking :) perhaps I can send you a pm if u want?
US is currently being destroyed by design - this current financial crisis didn't just happened by bad luck...Their goal is to totally ruin the American middle class which is primarily Christian. Do u know that there are over 600 CONCENTRATION CAMPS BEING BUILD IN THE US? Why is that?
Bulkhan 2 years ago
Sure. I just choose to stick to the Bible and Jesus Christ when it comes to believes.
It's a fact Christianity is, and has been under attack, for hundreds of years. Because only the true Christians can stop the dark powers who are ruling the world and they know it.
Greetings.
Bulkhan 2 years ago
Mmhh ok I understand you :)
Don't feel attacked by this video okay ;)
I agree with you, that the power which is ruling the world now, is concentrated in the USA, isn't it ? And It is the capitalistic world system which is supporting this dark power.
IdelUralState 2 years ago
Watch those also to wake u up:
/watch?v=PBKDZhu-EZw
/watch?v=A3vIxilsJLQ
/watch?v=7B-0V0jq0Fo&feature=related
We have to put our differences aside and defend Christianity.
Bulkhan 2 years ago
Well, my friend I see you are very interested in this kind of topics. But be careful, keep track of it.
I am not saying that Christianity is bad or good. I am just showing some pre-historic scripts, nothing else. Everybody is equal, no matter if white black christian muslim jew or something else.
IdelUralState 2 years ago
balkanturkic - it is IYI - I have seen stone in cravings of it in Pliska. so it's not IVI, but IYI, and it represents the Sun.
I don't expect u to care about Bulgaria. But what I'm talking about concerns not just my country, but yours, and every other country in the world. If you only knew what I meant you'd understand me better. We are being attacked by a hidden enemy my friend, who wants to destroy us all, and destroy Christianity with us!
Wake up! Look at this /watch?v=in8LV2pvXHI
Bulkhan 2 years ago
But I really don't care what my origins are so much! I'd rather focus on the future and deal with the much bigger problems we're all having!!! But u have not idea about them!!!
Bulkhan 2 years ago
i dont care for your country and your countrys future .why do i have to do it ?
Turanism is not dream , it will became reality , like it has become reality like before. we made it with huns and kokhturks.
balkanturkic 2 years ago
balkanturkic, you have almost no knowledge of old bulgarian history. if you did, you'd know that not all proto-bulgarians warship Tangra. But even if they did, that doesn't make them Turkic.
The symbol |Y| is not from turkic origin my friend - it's proto-bulgarian and it represents the Sun!
I can list you 100 reasons why I don't think we originated from the Turcik, and that to me is juts another propaganda...
Bulkhan 2 years ago
i think it is not as you wrote "IYI" it was like IVI . and i dont know what is mean our oguz tamga .
balkanturkic 2 years ago
have u seen it?
thracianglad 2 years ago
yes i have , why ?
balkanturkic 2 years ago
How could u say then it is |V| =D
thracianglad 2 years ago
LOL. Shame on you for posting such nonsense! You know nothing of Christianity, but we do so you can't lie to us!
There is only one God and his name is Jesus Chris!
Bulkhan 2 years ago
bulkha you fcuking idiot !
your tamga culture is coming from bulgar-turkic ancestory . but you dums are bstards of slav-greek mixature :D
IVI ( asprauk bolgar ) is turkic tamga . you can find it :D haha
balkanturkic 2 years ago
greeks steal everything..
last night a greek guy stole 20 dollars off my dresser when we were done playing butt darts :(
homoSERBIAN 2 years ago
hahaha :D :D
balkanturkic 2 years ago
hehe not a suprising video, I gotta admit the Greeks should seriously stop copying other nation's creations, it's weak.
Also check out 'British East India Flag', and you'll recognize something funny xD
KemalistlerUlkuculer 2 years ago 6
the greeks, actually the whole world will be shocked when they learn Etruscans were Turks..
Remus, Romulus and a she-wolf... they resemble The Turkish myths about the creation...
all world knows Wolves are the symbol of Turks..
Etruscans didn't speak an indo-european language..
GodFORZALoLhA 2 years ago 6
The crescent moon and star were holy symbols for pre-Islamic Turkish tribes, while red was the cardinal colour for west in ancient Turkic culture. In Turkish tradition, red also represents hegemony, while white represents power, justice, exaltation and purity. Göktürks, a pre-Islamic Turkic people who lived in Central Asia, used crescent and star on their coins. A 1500 years old Göktürk coin includes three figures of a crescent moon and a star around the possible figure of a leader
GodFORZALoLhA 2 years ago 5
Electra,if u check Turkic Kurgan Culture,we had this symbol before Iron Age...Also if u don't believe me,I reccomend u American Author Gene D.Mathlock's "What Strange Mystery Unites the Turkish Nations, India, Catholicism, and Mexico?" book.
KipchakTegin 2 years ago 8
the Cross has nothing to do with the turks or turkic nations..
Also notice what the Davis Dictionary of the Bible states about the origin of the cross: The pre-Christian cross of one form or another was in use as a sacred symbol among the Chaldeans, the Phoenicians, the Eqyptians, and many othernations. The Spaniards in the 16th century found it also among the Indians of Mexico and Peru. But its symbolic teaching was quite different from that which we now associate the cross (p. 159)
ElectraOfMacedon 2 years ago
Phoenicians and the Eqyptians ? weren't they Turks ?! I can show you examples of Phoenicians and Eqyptian Scripts which involves Turkic sentences ;)
IdelUralState 2 years ago
ElectraOfMacedon , actually you are a greek, not macedon , after that i want to say about your origin ? do you think your origin is coming from hellenic people ? :D search on internet how british kingdom created greek nation :D and how was your new greek flag at first
times of creating greece by british :D then talk about turks , and turkish flag symbols. There is same sybol on gokturkic coins :D idiot :)
balkanturkic 2 years ago 7
besides Deniz turks of turkey try to say that everything TURKIC NATIONS have dont or achieved is turkish..this is a big lie they are separate countries from the same race and turks pretty much havent contributed anything to this world :))
not even one single invention....ur history isnt longer than 1000 years....and u dont speak the same language with ur so called ''pre turks''
not to mention about UR FLAG SYMBOL! STOLEN FROM BYZANTINE GREEKS ;)
i really love the half moon and star! LOL
ElectraOfMacedon 2 years ago
TURKISH means a part of TURKIC nation.I can understand what does an azeri or Turkmen say.And our history is longer than 6000 years,check Kurgan culture,also Sumerians,Aztecs,Etruscans and Mayans had connection with Turkic ppl.
P.S:Crescent and star was Turkic symbol since Asian Hun Empire(Xioung-nu)I can show u coins of Xioung-nu,which has star and moon on it...
KipchakTegin 2 years ago 8
Καλά το βίντεο είναι εντελώς ότι να 'ναι...!! Το έπιασες το παραμυθάκι που τους λέν στην Τουρκιά.. Ότι πριν από αυτούς... ήταν οι "προτουρκικοί λαοί" στην Ανατόλια και το χάφτουν ρε γμτ... Λέει ότι Βυζάντιο το έχτισα οι Τούρκοι πριν το 6000 π.Χ. ... Ότι ότι να ναι δλδ!!
125mimis 2 years ago
ναι το επιασα...ειναι για τα μπαζα τελειως ...εναν αρχαιο Ελληνα συγγραφεα να τους αναφερεις και τους γκρεμιζεις ολα τους τα επιχειρηματα..o Kemal tin ksekinise aytoi tin paramytha...prospathoun na dosoun etsi tin entiposi sto lao oti den einai ''kataktites'' stin Anatolia alla nomimoi klironomoi tis perioxis oytos oste na min niothoun typseis gia tis genoktonies pou exoun kanei
ElectraOfMacedon 2 years ago
@ElectraOfMacedon
Electra,if u check Turkic Kurgan Culture,we had this symbol before Iron Age...Also if u don't believe me,I reccomend u American Author Gene D.Mathlock's "What Strange Mystery Unites the Turkish Nations, India, Catholicism, and Mexico?" book.
IdelUralState 1 month ago
Cross = Kereszt in Hungarian
Kereszt = Kör+oszt
Kör = circle, round
Oszt = divide
So the cross divide the circle into 4 equal parts.
This is derivable from the Hungarian language.
Szkitianosz 2 years ago 2
Kör = "blind" in turkish = eye = round ? this is our Turanian Connection :)
IdelUralState 2 years ago
Yes, its possible, the two language come from a common root. In hungarian everything what are a round form it is in the name (K+R, G+R, GY+R)
for ex: crown = KORona, wheel = KERék, circle = KARika, ring = GYŰRű, roll = GURul, etc.
Szkitianosz 2 years ago 3
Exactly my Brother !!!
IdelUralState 2 years ago
And can I have a reference to a reliable encyclopedia as f.e. Britannica about those Turks who established Byzanz?? (My friend u had never established a city, NEVER even Ankara is the Greek name for Anchor, pls)
125mimis 2 years ago
And I want to ask a question?? And I want an honest answer This city with the name "Byzanz" (as u call it) which "was populate by Greeks in 330AD and was established by Turks in 6000BC" (?????!!) is it the city of Byzantium, the previous name of Constantinople...???
125mimis 2 years ago
I will send you a private message.. wait...
IdelUralState 2 years ago
But they were far far away from today Turkey!!! Pls... Grow up... I don't hate u, but do not insult us...
125mimis 2 years ago
And it is about time to admit that when Greeks starts to use the Cross (this very simple symbol, WHICH DOES APPEARS ACCIDENTALLY IN EVERY ALPHABET IN THE WORLD BECAUSE IT IS TOO SIMPLE TO WRITE IT!!) symbolizing the death of Jesus, Turks werent near this area
125mimis 2 years ago
Especially I laughed with the term "Proto-Turks"!!! Pls guys... This term came from the propaganda of ur country... What are these proto turks..??? Define pls... Mongols, Turk-Mongols... What?? It's about time to learn some Greek and Christian history seriously...
125mimis 2 years ago
Turks-Ottomans stole everything (even the Turkish flag) from other peoples culture, in opposition with the Ancient Greek and Medieval Byzantines huge contribution to worldwide culture...
125mimis 2 years ago
The turkish flag is consisting of the Uç Tamğa (this will be my next video).
Btw wanna know what is Propaganda: INDO-EUROPEAN IS PROPAGANDA. You are owning even the Turkic Kurgan Culture ! (this will be one of my next videos as well as)
And yes the city of Byzantium is the previous name of Constantinople. And the previous name of Constantinople is Oy Urum Atim.
Not to forget Aegus which is from Turkic Öğüz.
When you want to read some books of Kazim Mirsan or Haluk Tarcan, then contact them.
IdelUralState 2 years ago
Mmm... U r historically illiterate in an unbelievable extent!!! U know nothing about Christian history... Absolute nothing!!! U make things out of ur mind in order not to admit that ur people contributed NOTHING to the global civilization...
125mimis 2 years ago
cross existed in egypt before your effendi buyuk iskender fuck turkistan with his greek soldiers
Epicomahos 2 years ago
show me a cross elder than 6000 years, then you can message private.
Btw there are ca. 184 hieroglyphs and 41chinese Symbols consisting Turkic Tamğas.
IdelUralState 2 years ago
cheap bullshits ... no need to argue with that guy cuz he dont want to remember that the flag of turkey was the flag of cost/pole before turks appear in asia minor ...
btw i advice him to read a turkish myth of su khan.. its says that turkistan the land of turks was invaded by Alexander the Great ... turks must remember that we occupate part of turkistan ... according to that turk the term turkman was given from greeks to turks... turkmen- like a turk
Epicomahos 2 years ago
Very informative!
KipchakTegin 2 years ago 8
They copy everything from TURKS
mshefik1 2 years ago 11
This video is a great confirmation that all christian religions are based on ancient pagan traditions. Thank you.
kekvirag1 2 years ago 14