5-man Gruul (Rogue Tank)

[Gon4rch]

wich lvl?

[mrstensig]

@Gon4rch 70

[xNoSc0p3x]

I miss the good old days fuck cata

[jessaraptor]

Played dodge rogue

around 99% miss chance

WotLK drops it to around 30%

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[wizo010]

this isn´t a fake they have an heal pala ;) an rogue with 80% dodge ,,, come on :D

[easyskym]

i think this is fake, the rogue did not got any dmg, the hole time its dodge, miss etc. btw, there is not even a healer

[RageATM223]

@easyskym Lol think before you speak. They have dps there, they have a pally healer, and the rogue is keeping aggro because Dodge = More threat gained.

[MrFoptop]

How fun it used to be playing a rogue in BC...

[arcticsquirrelmonkey]

@gamerfreak008 this isn't him. this is who he got inspired to solo from -_-

[Rydoskraze]

Amazing how you can solo this now, but you cant solo Maulgar because you have CC 100% of the time.

[Monerasauce]

Great vid. I definitely regret not raiding more than just Kara after it was nerfed in TBC... there were really cool bosses and loot

[pitcommandersolo]

First, its alliance, they suck, horde are better, second, a rogue tanked this in 2008, go to darkkiller channel and find his contra video of it

[eltsc]

@pitcommandersolo ...this video was also made in 2008, earlier than the contra one.

[Kviksi9139]

how does he holds agro ? xD

[MariusGuitar2007]

@Kviksi9139 MD

[Eppilicious]

How does the rogue keep the aggro?

[ShaneSmitty420]

@Eppilicious Mis directs, most likely, or any aggro transferring ability,

[zacblade]

theres actually like 8 people there

[EisteeIsMyLife]

Yeah^^ Rogue tanks... This is why I hate WotlK :D

[Mahnannon]

@EisteeIsMyLife Hey, this is BC idiot. Aka. BEFORE WoTLK

[EisteeIsMyLife]

@Mahnannon ...I think you don't understand what I mean... I HATE WotlK beacause rogues CAN'T tank anymore...

[invisible1988]

@EisteeIsMyLife Yeah, it's terrible a DPS class can't tank. A real tragedy.

[TheSistaSista]

this just proves how awesome rogues are lol xD

[Himbeereistee]

I think its SW-Auras or something like this

[CR4SHGUY]

haha naked camera man :D

[JustinDosntCare]

what add on is for the thing that circles ur cerecter. it looks coo lol

[pkbrodoons95]

Even with 102% avoidance you still get hit, there are DRs

[spongebobisquare]

@pkbrodoons95 not anymore.... this was bc they added returns to avoidance 3.0

[cris1500pher]

Vetry nice, good to c someone that nows the games and likes to have fun.

[volbia12]

avoidance doesnt add it increases by percentage im pretty sure

76% avoidance. 12% of that is 9.12 = 85%. 14% of that is 12 so 97%

[sushanalone]

@volbia12 you are still summing it up from one 100 %. while its 76/100 , 12/100 and 14/100, you are still using defense as cumiliative per 100%

[ImDaCoolestEva]

That UI annoys the shit outta me.

[AtomicElectronic]

try to solo him^^

[jfac9000]

holy hell gruuls goin out the fuckin roof

[ColetZee]

nice1 :P

[robbob6151]

he would lose agro so fast...

[f00tballfever]

lol camera man

[Mewatch101]

how does a rogue keep agro though??

[shadowman080]

dps

[Swampax]

What is the music track in this video? :P

[Illshadow666]

@Swampax celldweller - the last firsborn i think

[frowneyfaces]

there was no point in getting anything past 95% dodge, once you hit 95 you would NEVER get hit and @ yellowbigbirdman your dumb rogues stack agility and dodge rateing

[roflpwntnoob]

does this mean gruul is soloable?

[Backhymen]

no, this was only possible when agility was bugged and gave way to much dodge per point.

[yellowbigbirdman]

they dnt stack agility idiot they stack def i know a shit ton of rogues that do this for fun

[Backhymen]

Back when this was filmed they did stack agility to bypass 100% dodge with some raid buffs (Boomkin)

Dont talk when you dont know moron.

[only1sn1not1taken]

@yellowbigbirdman

lol, you don't stack def if you want to be unhitable, only if you want to be uncritable. It does grant some dodge but way less than agility. Notice in his stats it said that he has over 100% avoidance. Meaning he's not gonna get touched at all meaning defense is crap. GG noob.

[sushanalone]

@only1sn1not1taken you are dumb to add all avoidence stats ie: parry dodge and miss for rogue and say its unhittable. if you have 75% dodge 12% pzrry and 5

% to miss , it means if hes gona hit you for 12k you have 1) 75% chance to dodge it, or 2) 12% to parry it or 3) 5 % to miss it. only one can happen per attack.

[only1sn1not1taken]

@sushanalone Yes, only one avoidance can happen. That's understood. Though if one happens that means the other can't and will happen on a separate attack. If total avoidance totals to over 100% then on the 25% chance that he doesn't dodge he will avoid via another way.

It's like with casters and crit. If you have 99% crit then you will have the chance to crit 99% of the time. Crits can't be missed. Even if you have 0 hit then you will only miss 1% of the time due to crits not being missed.

[Ashyeha]

@only1sn1not1taken

Not really very true at all with the 99% crit, if you have 15% miss chance, that overrides the chance to crit, so even if you had a 99% crit on your character sheet, you'd only observe 85% crits and 15% resists.

[only1sn1not1taken]

@Ashyeha

I'm not so sure on that. Though I've never tested. As far as I know though a Crit can not be missed. So if you have 99% crit and 15% chance to miss then it would be a 99.85% chance to hit?

Blah, we're talking about things that aren't possible to achieve anyways so it's not worth wasting time over. Happy hunting and good luck on lootz.

[LusoChampion]

@only1sn1not1taken Thats not true. The damage prio is miss > glancing > crit > normal hit. Glancing hit chance is 25% no matter what, so the max crit you can get is 75% if you are hit capped. As for skills the max crit chance is 100%, that is impossible to achive, if u are hit capped, since glancing blows are not applied to skills, only auto-attacks.

[only1sn1not1taken]

@sushanalone During each attack you have the potential do avoid using any of your avoidance stats. Of which you will only avoid once that attack. But on every attack you still have 75% chance on dodge, 12% parry and 5% to miss. (based off the numbers you previously used) If it totals to over 100% then one of those will happen regardless.

As you can tell by the video this is very possible and this was before diminishing returns. This is no longer possible due to diminishing returns on avoidance

[sushanalone]

@only1sn1not1taken lol fool 75% dodge 12% parry and 5% miss are not cumiliative for one attack . the evidence is if they were able to be cumiliative there would be a rare chance to dodge and parry and miss same attack which is impossible. for 1 attack you have 75% out of 100 to dodge 12% out of 100% to parry and 5% out of 100% to miss so if you want to add them up its 75+12+5% out of 100+100+100 , again thats not really applicable here but jsut simple mats for your info.

[sushanalone]

@only1sn1not1taken that said the rogue does get hit in the video atleast once but is saved by cheat death which again proves your more than 100% avoidence theory totally delusional and WRONG.peace

[sushanalone]

@only1sn1not1takenwhat that means is avoidence isnt cumiliative, sinc eyou can do only one avoidence per attack. get your shit right b4 commenting others as noobs cos you sound like one. gl and peace

[0thecandyman0]

gruul obviously wasnt hit capped

[WowZimii]

Naked Cam-Man xD

[Muradin93]

how to keep aggro?

[zip891]

slow dps ^^

[wowsattan]

its a reply u dumass... ^^

[Tolrich18]

Anyone happen to know the song?

[andersgamer15]

Music: Celldweller -The Last Firstborn

[bremeneast90]

thankyou

[Mihawk90Dulacre]

Just one comment before you... -.-

[jamesfeurie]

this is the reason the dodge from agi nerf happened.

[jimilop2]

dude, one of the most famous pvp players in the world is drakedog, hes an undead warlock. now this is my point, go to the armory and look for drakedog and watch the results, there are more than 100 undead warlocks named like him.

[iluvluckystar]

so you OBVIOUSLY havent heard of swifty and fiveshot

[FunkMasterLogan]

yeah same for swifty, pat, fiveshot, burn, maydie, and takuu. best pvpers theres like one on every server lol

[vikturi]

the top 3 best pvpers in the world are actualy all disc priests

[TheXeroSkill]

@vikturi

LOL

[4mped]

I'm not dissing anyone, but those are good PvP'ers who actually vid themselves, I can think way better PvP'ers then them

[tmweb95]

how did he get his Power Auras to show range?

i dont get it, im really good with it, but i dont get range

[caspar1011]

so retarded to talk german crap to english comments

[Spezialjens]

das geht hatte ich au schon dabei^^

[Angusil]

Well wow was pretty retarded as rogue when you could have 100% dodge i had it on my 19 twink and it was totaly unstoppable ! :P

[Tomielszone]

@Angusil Weak show.. probably with evasion on (Which i still do doubt) but this rogue tank had 100% immunity to melee via 5% basemiss, parry + dodge, WITHOUT evasion

[killertike]

You guys are retarded his isn't a private srver the gear bak then there was no dimnishing returns

[jimilop2]

this is a private server, not in original wow

[caspar1011]

it isnt, dont say crap

[caspar1011]

it isnt

[JesseZ09]

no

if it was on a private server he had like 100% dodge rating.. And the ppl on private servers dont know how to raid.

[xXxSkullDragonxXx]

100% pro priv server is es net 1.unlogisch das der schurke JEDEN schlag ausweicht trotz 80% avoid sehr unwahrscheinlich 2. agi gibt kein ausweichen mehr und wenn es vor wotlk war gab es pro 10agi 0,1 ausweich dh 1250 = 12,5% ausweich was als feral dudu noch bissl mehr is3.was gruul ab 0:15 macht nimm dass mal als normaler wow spieler auf und selbst wenn er seine 100% avoid durch gruuls "hitcap" hat der2te hit würde treffen weil der net block parry oder ausweichbar ist dafür mussten 2 tanks ran

[ganonforce]

anyone up for some 2 gruuls 1 cup.

[YmedaHero]

On my rogue I took 9 hatefuls from Patchwerk in 25 Naxx ;)

[ZhakoT]

Evasion ftw!

[shadowpero]

Rogue tank lol WTF !!:D

[paydafee]

rogue tanks are sheerly for the lulz

they can only tank bosses that deal primarily melee damage, and they need a lot of buffs to stack up their evasion.

[geodorff]

But, they did it without a healer, and with 5 people, how is that "for the lulz?

[Tomielszone]

@geodorff they did have a holy paladin healer 6:28

[mrsteves]

He simply has enough avoidance if you combine the insect swarm (or old) effect which reduced chance to hit to never ever be hit while the insect swarm is up.

The reason gruul didn't 1 hit him is because gruul never landed a blow through the entire fight.

Dodge did get nerfed (more agi per %) and added diminishings (fucked evasion).

[irishperson]

How did he keep aggro is all i want to know.

[ecxp]

Lots of expertise, and having all ranged which need 130% to pull aggro helps.

[carfik995]

omen threat meter

[hargix]

this is TBC when Diminshing returns didnt exsist

[kevinrigg]

what the fuck happend to diminishing returns, after a dodge parry or block, the chance is halved then quartered then reduced to zero then reset?

[retozzentoz]

how long time does that take?

[Boost498]

5-man Gruul witch rogue tank + 102.63% AVOIDANCE as rogue in BC that's so awesome.... I bow before you guys ! awesome work

[xboy4ever2008]

ehe my rog he have 1222 agilityi buffed :P

[Pumpie]

What the hell is wrong with you people? Can't you count?

How is Gruul going to one-shot somebody he can't hit? Of course the Rogue can't take the damage, that's why he avoids it.

Keep in mind he has the best level 70 gear and a shitload of add-ons to make sure he is dodged.

This is not 'bullshit', it's simple math.

[sushanalone]

@Pumpie the avoidence is not 100% if it was 100% or more why does the rogue get hit once in video and is saved by cheat death??. avoidence stats are not cumiliative.

[Pumpie]

@sushanalone

Some attacks ignore avoidance stats. The video even indicates that avoidance passes over 100%.

[sushanalone]

@Pumpie grull doesnt do any unavoidable attacks.

[Ashyeha]

@sushanalone Ermmm, yes, avoidance stats were additive (at 70), ask any (decent) tank in TBC when the magic number to reach was 102.4% to avoid crushing blows.

I'm very sorry you seem unable to grasp the idea that avoidance tanking was possible, but you are in fact mistaken \o/.

[brad0544]

cant be 5 manned build a bridge

[Wagjmonosuke]

haha! and it dropped the famous Dragon Spine Trophy

[avatar6091]

did he quit wow or simply rerolled can't find him on armory

[SenileDude]

same...

[Rakazak1]

there is an eu and an us armory maybe you looked up the wrong one...

[DevonDark500]

God I remember trade chat on illidan when he uploaded this video. Its a shame they made rogue tanking impossible.

[martinstubberup]

For you people that didn't understand what he was saying, is that he claims it's impossible to dodge/keep aggro and it's a private server etc fyi..

[martinstubberup]

Gruul's damage (except the AoE stuff) is physical damage. That makes it possible to avoid every hit with dodge gear. Please shut the fuck up about stuff you don't know shit about xTKgamerx. Kkthx

[Drakerrr]

I like the intro of the owl XD

[Pumpie]

ADHD is not an anger problem.

[lpbeddy]

is mate i have had it for 15 years + autisem + ashberjers ^_^

[kiesow9]

ur a fuckin dumb ass

[rsvidmakers]

My apologizes that was my brother... A completly "dumb ass".. Well im sorry for anything that he said this is my youtube profile but he uses it to watch videos..

[Ahri87]

the song is "the last firstborn" by celldweller

[hunnbogi]

What's the name of the song(s)?

[TheDark07]

0:24

[PlatinumArcher]

pwnage :)

[bubbafuzzmz]

For all you 5th graders out there that dont know shit about math yet brag about your "skillz",76,5% dodge 15,5% parry 16% chance to be missed (103% avoidance example,the so-called "untouchable") doesn't mean u can't get hit,it means that 25% of attacks aren't dodged,15,5% of those attacks are parryed,and 16% of the remaining attacks are misses,which leaves a 13,78% chance to be hit

[Mihawk90Dulacre]

Yeah but this PRoblem with the 13,78% is done with various Debuffs on the boss

Scorpid Sting (3%)

Insect Swarm (3%)

and

The Standard-Miss-Chance of a Boss of 5%

All in All -> 11% Miss from The Boss

-> 2,78% Chance to be Hit

By The Way, you Just have to have 1300 Agility and this is done *gg*

Am I right? I Think so

[Ferrari13]

Back then Scorpid Sting was 5%

[WarDaft]

Except it DOES mean you can't be hit. Any tank worth their salt knows that WoW adds avoidance chances. The engine picks a single random real number between 0 and 100. [0-76.5] means the attack gets dodged (76.5 - 92] means the attack is parried, and (92 - 100] means the attack misses.

The system you are describing could easily be accurate for any number of other games, but it is NOT how WoW handles the attacks.

[fonsiva]

also if he gets hit cheating death will take the Dmg gruul hits for like 15k then and take 90% off then

[kaggish]

how the heck can he hold aggro?

[monkeyonWoW]

where ishe and wat lvl? i think i skipped him

[Manickel001]

on my server they did this to but 3 man but at about 50% Gruul got in 1 hit and BAAM dead :P pre wotlk ofc

but nicely done mates

[caspar1011]

why the f are you watching this movie then?

u dont play it

dont judge it

[BiveZz01]

Its real -PoV- is best  Elite guilde and its not a private server

[caspar1011]

PoV = point of view...

[HeavyStunk1942]

xD Bive selfowned

[Roflmao04]

lawl

[seronic]

I actually know gaeowyn and he's the best rogue ever, it's true, he has since quit the game, I'm so sorry friends! Gaeowyn says hi!

[Suicideline1]

Lol 5:34 xD

[SkuldChan42]

He actually did this on a live server. Its the reason you can't have 100% avoidance anymore.

[alienx900]

why does blizz love nerfing the fun stuff. rogue tanking would be cool as hell!

[ProfiPeti]

7:54 lol wtf? =)

[I1am1one]

are they 70?

[123tisseman123]

yes

[mordi15]

R.I.P naked camera man :¨(

[bifinator]

i think he calculatet his max avoidance wrong.

u musstn add the stats.

there ist still the Posibility NOT to Dodge and Not to Parry and so on on a single hit.

so I calculatet the max Avoidence as I understood it: 82%

[darthkiri]

5:34 balance druid preview .. lol :D

nice vid .. cg :)

[paaladius]

musiC¿C?

[hulla9123]

He didcn\t hit u 1 time?

[WarcraftFreak500]

Rogue tank? wow

[Attackadahi]

man i wish i still had the time to play this game. :(

[oneqwerty]

Back on Ghostlands a rogue and some healers from Plan B did this total 4 people. And i still think that its BS that this can be done. This was at level 70 and it took like 2 hours or something stupid. Nice vid though reminds me of the past.

[alienx900]

yea im claiming BS... gruul grows too much and would 1 shot the rogue no matter how much dodge/avoid he has. nice try

[HeIljumper]

No, this really happened. At one point in BC it was possible to have 100% avoidance as a rogue. If you notice, his growths eventually reset back to 0.

[foeggy]

It's real you idiot.

[alienx900]

and you call me a idiot for putting what i think into a comment?

[foeggy]

What other way is there?

[alienx900]

be civilized even though this is youtube

[aksk8insnow]

yes, yes we do think your an idoit for putting what you think in a comment :P

[Ahri87]

omfg ,rogue powa

[Phinix200390]

nice^^

[Faital07]

I didn't even know there was gear tha could get you that much dodge.

[fanthree]

It was back when even low level rogues could hit that much dodge.

[presto19881218]

What is the UI of Gaeowyn on the center of movie?

It is very cool!!!

[0Coolmyman0]

why 5 man. You can solo if you can get hit.

[Pushknockers101]

Because you cant solo, think bout it, why does he have a specified group makeup? Just think about it.