WHITEWASH: No one Guilty of "Murder" Jean Charles de Menezes

[wind4watts]

Typical pro Establishment pro Police-Mason Court lIES, these Cops superiors should be thrown out of their big houses & put on the dole for Ordering the Cops to Murder this innocent man, no one can win Justice against the Wealth and corruption of our 'rich' establishment!

[007RoyalFlush]

A tragic set of circumstances, however I feel that this inquest should point the finger towards the powers that be, rather than the officers involved in the shooting. Operation Kratos specifically states that officers are to shoot to kill without warning. Kratos was applied correctly to the circumstance made apparant by the forward intelligence officers, the firearms officers should not be held accountable for the bad intel they were given.

[IceManLikeGervin]

He was executed in cold blood under extremely dubious circumstances because he knew something about 7/7 that the Power Elite wanted kept quiet.

rip

[acandterra]

the police are lying cunts

[mudgutter21]

@ninatje100

where are you from?

[britishyouth]

Rather he get shot than the risk of him being a real suicide bomber getting let on to a tube to kill innocent brits that have a right 2 live and be here

[vi70h]

terrible if you had watched the documentary you would have seen that the police made mistake after mistake it was a complete shambles

[ninatje100]

Rather you shut you F mouth up and stop saying bullshit. The british became freaks!!!! Indeed they always were. It's not the guy's fault that you guys are contantly afraid of terrorist atacks. Stupid british youth, you better remember that all the F dangerous situation you guys are into ARE YOUR OWN FAULT. You guys got plenty of narrow minded citzens just as you obviouslly ruled by a narrow minded governament as well! Get a life!

[wilsonnortheast]

He had a right to live and to be here. He was a hard working young man who had come here legally. Perhaps I should kill you and ensure that British lives are not endangered, I can justify it with your logic.

[CaptainBluebear08]

THIS is what the cops are--absolute powerplay. See, here on YT, vids on the tasering to death of Polish immigrant Dziekankski, in Vancouver. This is but one example of a legion, really.

The police is, as Frederic Engels once said, the "national occupation force".

[rafaelsouzasp79]

When you see a society defending murder only because the victim was an immigrant... you know what kind of people you're dealing with.

UK is a immoral perverted society full of brainswashed useful idiots.

[kakazinha85]

@rafaelsouzasp79  omg...this is sooo true!!! And the Queen even gave high "status" as lord for some of those "police"...

[TheREAL5m0k3y]

He was an illegal immigrant and a fraudster (he wasn't a qualified electrician) His family should get no compensation as a statement to other illegals.

[rafaelsouzasp79]

He was an innocent murdered by your police. I don't care about how much hate you have for immigrants. Save your ignorance to yourself. His family deserves a HUGE compensation.

[TheREAL5m0k3y]

Illegal immigrants are not innocent.

Illegal meaning unlawful, unlawful meaning not innocent. His prescence in this country was a crime, Pretending to be an electrician when you are not qualified is fraud, which is a crime.

His family should get nothing.

I have nothing against immigrants, just illegal immigrants.

[BertFicuselastica]

He didn't die because he was immigrant illegal or not. He died because he was mistaken for somebody else. He could have been anyone of us.

[Alba12349]

youre an idiot

[videomonkey2009]

Police have now made a compensation payment to the family (Undisclosed amount, WHY). But really jo public is paying for this and not the officers invoilved. The cost of this should be taken from there pension funds as the minimum punishmnet for there actions since NO one was charged with murder. White wash

[leeandcharlie12]

the officers name who made the shot PC Christopher Piper

[4Mr4Mr]

lets be clear this was MURDER

the police followed him with the intention of murdering him.

7/7 was not perpetrated by "islamic terrorists" so the police knew very well that they werent following a suspected terrorist.

how come no cctv cameras were working that day (7/7)?

how come the metal in the train was bent upwards and inwards as if the bomb had been planted underneath the train (7/7)?

7/7 = inside job

jc de m was MURDERED!

[thestreetdogg]

9/11 and London Bombing INSIDE JOB.\

Your IQ would be 10 if u think different......

[0Scar786]

Cover up, cover up, cover up.

Lies, lies and more lies.

No running, no calling, no big jacket, no wires.

He had a visa and was employed.

His job was an electrician with the underground tube service.

The london bombs were initially attributed to an electrical surge.

Put 2 and 2 together. He had to be silenced. 10 bullets into the head would do the job.

Everyone will forget after a few weeks.

So who cares?

[Clarkeyman]

PeterOzanne, I agree. Murder is a cynical act, manslaughter is a negligent/un-meaning/un capable one.

You can get arrested for swearing in the street these days so dont tell me britain does not have rules. It's time to put this story to rest after the trial/inquest and Adelthelemon, you views are histerical and brainwashed.

[BlakeVII]

This man is no more because of what the police did. They should be held accountable and punished for it.

ONLY THEN can the story be put to rest.

[PeterOzanne]

Don't romanticise criminally incompetent, half-asleep, well-meaning fools by calling them "gangsters"! BTW, much as I hate what happened, UK is fairly low on the "scariness" hit-parade. E.g. I love Brazil, but it's government is complicit in the deaths of many indigenous people, for the sake of clearing rain-forest to make money from wood and destroy our environment with soya plantations. Forget CCTV and "England is shit". Blind greed is destroying us.

[ILoveMrJM]

I think this is absolutely ridiculous.

I cannot believe nobody got done for murdering this poor guy.

He like comes over to a foreign country, chilling out or whatever, then gets killed.

Has his life snatched away for no reason whatsoever.

They never warned him like they claimed to have, so thats proof our government is corrupt.

I hate this country.

Su familia tiene mi corazon. xx

[UnspoiltByProgress]

Shut the fuck up you bunch of whining cunts. If this boy had gone back to Brazil when his visa expired he'd still be alive. Just another dead immigrant. Get over it.

[ImaScotsman]

Racism shows your poor level of intelligence

[UnspoiltByProgress]

Your ignorance shows your poor level of intelligence. I didn't obtain a degree in political history by having a poor level of intelligence. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. And my views on immigration and nationalism are my right as a human being living in a free country. Being a Jock i assume you know and fraternise with people who dislike the English so don't judge my intelligence on my views and opinions.

[ImaScotsman]

With the current education standards and the increasingly easy tests im not sure of your degree counts for much, but i may be wrong.

You definately are entitled to views and opinions, but they help to give an idea of your level of intelligence as surely someone with a fair and balanced view on society wouldnt be racist. You shouldnt be so flippant over the death of an innocent man.

Also humans dont have rights, we have privallages which are taken away at will by the elite.

Peace

[UnspoiltByProgress]

I agree that exams have never been easier to pass but check my age. I left school with 8 O levels not some worthless GCSE's. And passed my degree in 1992. And as for humans not having rights, hmm....i'm sure Martin Luther King, Nelson Mandela, The Dalai Llama and a few human RIGHTS activists i don't have space to mention would surely disagree. I would love to have a discussion with you about why i have my views, i can make some valid points but to judge my intelligence on 1 comment is wrong.

[ImaScotsman]

Yeah i probally jumped the gun on your entire intelligence its true but i just was blinded by rage at your comment about that mans deaths.

[UnspoiltByProgress]

What gets me mad about the whole Jean Charles thing is that he was here on an expired visa but obviously thought he was better off here. And now he's dead, the blame apparently lies with the police. Put yourself in the mans shoes who shot him. He has to live with that for the rest of his life. The Brazillian police by the way murder innocent people at will every single day. He took a risk coming here and it didn't pay off. That's why i have no sympathy for him.

[UnspoiltByProgress]

By the way.....you can't spell privelliges. Now YOU are showing your intelligence.

[ImaScotsman]

If human beings truely had rights why do countrys have varying rights. America had 10 original rights i believe, yet it needed 17 amendments? Britain has 13, Sweden 24. If they can be added to they can be taken away so they arent actually rights, mearly ''priveliges''.

You spelt it wrong also you had 2 L's.

Anyway if you fancy chatting on msn send me a message and il forward you my email.

Peace

[UnspoiltByProgress]

I thought i'd spelled privileges the same way as you to be sarcastic, i didn't realise you used a instead of i. As you can see, i do know how to spell it. I will indeed add you to my msn, if nothing more than to converse with you and prove that i'm not just an ignorant bigot. I'll message you.

[ImaScotsman]

It amazes me that you have no sympathy for Charles yet you apparently show feelings of sympathy for the policeman.

May i remind you that this police and his college lied on several occasion about what actually happened on that day and murdered an innocent man.

Sure he shouldnt have been in the country but his death doesnt provide justice to his breech of the law.

Atleast be fair and balanced?

[adethelemon]

Metropolitan Police - NOT working together for a safer London.

LIES LIES LIES!!! That should be the Metropolitan Police' slogan.

I HATE this FILTHY PIG brigade.

Fucking cowards!!! NAME & SHAME those murdering bastards!

[PeterOzanne]

I'm angry about it too - but is called "manslaughter" (or homicide), not "murder". That would be almost as nonsensical as saying a lion is a type of fish. Do you understand the difference? Look it up, then your arguments will sound a lot more clear and convincing, instead of just emotional.

[adethelemon]

You seem to be siding with police on this!

Technically you or police won't call it murder...BUT (with a capital B) It is MURDER.

Police assault you for example.....Smash you over the head with a baton like they did with the foxshunt protestors And (with a capital A) only one officer gets charged with Common assault. Common assault is not even criminal.

The law is FIXED. A blind eye is turned towards wrong-doers in the police.

It is not a fair court when you are told what to say at the end.

[PeterOzanne]

NO! I'm TOTALLY against the police on this. Surely there has to be the right sort of MOTIVE for a killing to be classed as "murder".

 This killing was horrible, stupid, and unnecessary, but surely it was manslaughter? I am going to look up the definitions, just to be sure. You?

[adethelemon]

I don't need to look up anything.

To me it is plain CORRUPTION.

COLD BLOODED

[PeterOzanne]

I agree, it's disgusting, incompetence and lies. But if you killed someone whom you were convinced was going to kill your girlfriend, a charge of "murder" would not stand up in any court, that's my point.

[BlakeVII]

Being convinced is not enough.

This is a law agency in which proof and evidence is king. If you truly belive in what you said in your comment then anybody can be whisked off the street and locked up indefinately or gunned for absolutely nothing. Where was the proof in this case? Because he happened to live in the same block of flats?? Leading up to the killing they weren't even sure that it was him. Every one directly responsibe for his jean's death should be punished.

[PeterOzanne]

Yes, Blake, anyone anywhere in the world CAN be targeted by police or arrested - because of incompetence and mistaken identity! Humans are sometimes incompetent, don't you agree? And you are right, those responsible - the officers directing the op - should be punished. Justice is imperfect, and sadly this does not qualify legally as murder, no matter what you or I or anyone thinks.

[BlakeVII]

It has to be murder because the intent was to kill the target... the fact that the target was 'mistaken' for somebody else does not make it manslaughter. There is more to be said on the subject but a debate on youTube is not going to bring Jean back.

[PeterOzanne]

If "intent" were enough to be guilty of murder, then police who kill someone who really is a clear and present danger to the public would always be guilty of murder. That's why police are not included in the "intent" definition if they are trying to carry out their duty. I hope lessons will be learned from this disaster; but I'm not holding my breath! Greetings.

[adethelemon]

PS. (Sorry I ran out of room)

These GUILTY police officers should be sacked. (but police officers are rarely sacked - instead allowed to resign with full pension) They should be named and shamed ( not simply called officer # 1, #2, #3 and so on.

The IPCC is only independent to us the public. They collaborate with police. If police decide not to investigate their own (which is often the case) the IPCC pass on the case to the Directorate of Professional Standards (DPS) who are police!!! >>>>>

[PeterOzanne]

I agree 100%; there should have been consequences. The only way to try to avoid horrors like the death of J-C de M. is not to sweep the police mistakes under the carpet, or excuse them because of the terror alert. There has to be criticism and consequences, as you say.

[BlakeVII]

I wholly subscribe to what you said.

They should be made to pay dearly for that 'mistake'

[adethelemon]

>>>>> DOUBLE STANDARDS

You can't trust the Metropolitan Police.

The Metropolitan Police like to think they are better than everyone else. You don't need me to tell you they are NOT.

...Just like you don't need me to tell you the Metropolitan Police are NOT working together for a safer London.

Metropolitan FILTH!!!

DIRTY COWARDS

[PeterOzanne]

Well, they're not working as well as they should, and I am also disgusted at the cover up

[BlakeVII]

Absolutely!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[jasonmhc]

murdering british government!! iwant this governement on fucking trial!!!

[PeterOzanne]

Yes it was terrible, but it CANNOT be MURDER! It's called MANSLAUGHTER (or maybe HOMICIDE in USA). WHY? Go and learn the difference.

[Jobo06seviyorum]

i reckon freesmaonry is to blame or some other secret society possibly. Top police officers from c.i.d upwards are usually freemasons. for example it is fact that s.o.c.a top police officer bill hughes has been an active freemason for over 20 years. Kenneth noye, the gold brink robber was tipped off by freemasons in high places about the gold. Freemasonry stems all the way up to royalty and further and means that any whiffs of investigation get whitewashed...thats how it works!

[Jobo06seviyorum]

i left myself signed in on this and sumones wrote comment below or above under my youtube alias...whoops

[Terrra91]

Unicef ranked tha UK tha worst of all tha 21 economically advanced countries 2 grow up in, beatin the US.

We're also tha worst country in the world for armed robbery accordin tuh a security company (Group 4 Securicor) that also is based in the US, South Africa, Kenya, Nigeria an Columbia

We're tha worst country in Europe 4 privacy.

We have more CCTV cameras per head than anywhere in the world wiv 14 cameras per head. We make up 1% of the population but have 20% of the CCTV

England is shit

[DolpthinsCome2Wales]

I'm angry that these Police officers have not been put on trial for the MURDER of Charles Jean de Menezes. I'm sick of authorities in the UK looking after each others back. This is not Justice. JUSTICE MUST BE SERVED ON THOSE OFFICERS. Good on Jury making correct decisions under the circumstances. Why was Jury told that these were the only options? Shame on those officers. I simply don't want them serving us. I find it disturbing, he's an innocent man and I ask who really the terrorists are?

[english62]

the police were right to shoot him, he may of been innocent but in the situation if you look at it with an unbiased view (which nearly no-one (including me) can) i think the police are in the right

[PeterOzanne]

OK, you can't dump the blame on the firearms officers, but as we see from the inquest, the police - who you say are in the right - made many terrible mistakes in the way they ran and organised the operation. Anyone who loves this country, and loves truth and justice, should be critical, so that a disaster like this will not happen in future.

[PeterOzanne]

Hey Dolpthins! I too am really angry that no-one will be prosecuted. BUT :- No-one COULD be charged with MURDER. In British law there is a BIG difference between MURDER and MANSLAUGHTER. The firearms officers were TOLD that J-C was someone else, so they THOUGHT they were protecting people. Therefore not "murder", because their motive was not evil. Those who should be disciplined/fired are the officers who ran what amounts to a criminally negligent operation.

[Patchoi7]

trigger happy police,these scum dont feel remorse as it bred in them from the very start to be cold heartless bastards, congratulations to all the Menezes family for seeing this through to the bitter end,i hope heads roll

[setfree68]

The fact that the Jury only had TWO choices to consider, "Lawful Killing" and "Open Verdict" it is CLEAR that the Jury believe the Police LIED

[setfree68]

* Armas de fogo oficial C12 não gritar as palavras "polícia armada" antes de abrir fogo.

* O Sr. de Menezes se levantou do seu lugar antes de uma fiscalização oficial, conhecida como Ivor, agarrou-o em um urso-abraço.

* Mas o Brasil não avançar para a C12 funcionário antes que ele foi apreendido por Ivor.

[setfree68]

Eles concluíram também que seis fatores causaram a sua morte:

* A incapacidade de obter e fornecer as melhores imagens fotográficas de terror suspeito Hussain Osman para o time de vigilância.

* Uma falha por parte da polícia para garantir que o Sr. de Menezes foi interrompido antes que ele atingiu o transporte público.

[setfree68]

* O facto de as opiniões dos agentes de vigilância em relação à identificação não foram comunicadas com precisão para o comando da equipe e armas oficiais.

* O facto de a posição das viaturas oficiais contendo as armas de fogo não era conhecida com precisão para o comando da equipe como armas agentes foram aproximando Stockwell Station.

[setfree68]

* Houve falhas no sistema de comunicações, uma vez que se operam no dia entre as várias equipes policiais no terreno e com a Nova Scotland Yard.

* A incapacidade de concluir, à época, agentes de vigilância que devem ainda ser utilizado para efectuar a paragem do Sr. de Menezes na estação Stockwell, mesmo depois que ela foi relatado que oficiais de armas especialista poderia executar a ordem de paragem.

[setfree68]

* Firearms officer C12 did not shout the words armed police before opening fire.

* Mr de Menezes stood up from his seat before a surveillance officer, known as Ivor, grabbed him in a bear-hug.

* But the Brazilian did not move towards officer C12 before he was seized by Ivor.

[setfree68]

They also concluded that six factors caused his death:

* A failure to obtain and provide better photographic images of the terror suspect Hussain Osman for the surveillance team.

* A failure by the police to ensure that Mr de Menezes was stopped before he reached public transport.

* The fact that the views of the surveillance officers regarding identification were not accurately communicated to the command team and the firearms officers.

[setfree68]

* The fact that the position of the cars containing the firearms officers was not accurately known to the command team as the firearms officers were approaching Stockwell Station.

* There were significant shortcomings in the communications system as it was operating on the day between the various police teams on the ground and with New Scotland Yard.

[setfree68]

* A failure to conclude, at the time, that surveillance officers should still be used to carry out the stop of Mr de Menezes at Stockwell Station even after it was reported that specialist firearms officers could perform the stop.

[seangrie8]

The Coroners pressure on the jury highlights the corruption which is at the heart of our legal system.

As an ex soldier who knows the rules of engagement and is very aware of the compulsive falsehoods our so called police spin.I find it interesting as they are the first people to get involved when there is a wrongfull shooting in Iraq and vigorously seek a prosecution.

I really hope that John Charles s incredibly brave family get the REAL justice they deserve.

[setfree68]

"I really hope that John Charles s incredibly brave family get the REAL justice they deserve."

So do I!

What saddens me most is that the Jury at this inquest REJECTED most of what the Police gave as evidence, this should lead to a PROPER inquiry.

BTW Your comment about the shootings in War are interesting, I feel that you as a Soldier should be given the benefit of the doubt when called on to risk your life, You are as I have said before, "Lions led by Donkeys"

[heal2012]

WRONG: the jury were instructed to give an open verdict. If due course had taken place the jury would have reached a verdict of unlawful killing.

[setfree68]

The scope was WAY TO limited, the Family think so so do I as do many others. Tell me how could a man be shot in the head SEVEN TIMES, and NO ONE held responsible!

[setfree68]

The Coroner DID NOT ALLOW a verdict of unlawful killing!

[Redcarpet01]

@setfree68 So? An inquest isn't supposed to be a criminal trial

[setfree68]

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