There are times where it's best just to let the fire burn itself out instead of put more wear and tear on a vehicle. Sucks but true. It's the price you pay to live in a rural area. Most rural areas are volunteer with limited equipment and manpower. A lot of the time the equipment itself is older so any time you can not put more stress on it than you need to, the better.
@chechnya That's not true, most of these rural department vehicles don't get much milage. The volunteer dept. that I'm on has only 7500 original miles on the first truck they had, a '54 Dodge.
@ffjsb While that may be true, you're still talking about potential motor vehicle accidents which kill many firefighters every year. Also always a risk of accidental damage from misoperating the pump, getting stuck in mud/snow. Then a chance of another fire in another part of town.
@chechnya What are you gonna do, leave the apparatus in the fire house covered with a tarp??? With your logic I guess we should just let everything burn down so we don't get any scuff marks on the trucks or dirt on the tires. Have you ever heard of training?? You do that so you reduce the chance of damage and injury. We don't pay hundreds of thousands of dollars for a truck to let it sit in the station, we buy it to use it as often as we can to justify the money spent.
@ffjsb Usually the fire departments like the one in this video have a limited budget and don't have "hundreds of thousands of dollars" worth of truck. They ration the money. If you have hundreds of thousands of dollars of trucks sitting, then of course you can afford to make runs and afford live training. I'm not fully convinced you know how things work outside of a large city fire department. People in rural areas sometimes use decades old trucks and have BBQ fundraisers to afford anything.
@chechnya I've been in the fire service for 27 years, and majored in Fire Science. I'm on a large metropolitan department, and a rural volunteer dept. that took less that 200 runs last year. You cant afford NOT to do live training. Old equipment is more prone to dry rot when under used than being worn out. Our '54 Dodge only has 7500 miles on it, last went on a fire run around 1990. Still works good. If you can't train, you shouldn't be fighting fire, period.
all i have to say is that you did what you had to do with what equipment and manpower you had... i also think that 50 of your volunteers on scene would have achieved the same result... sorry...
I was an engine captain in NY, and a Lieutenant in rural SC. Rural firefighters are usually volunteers. They give of their time to train and do the best they can for their communities.
Fires on weekdays lack manpower. Hydrants rarely exist. Initial attack is with water the engine brought . These people do this for no pay, with less than state of the art equipment , and with many firefighting challenges. They are dedicated to their best for the community as any department.
Great comment covewatcher. I was a volunteer in a rural part of Washington state for a few years while finishing my education. There was one hydrant in each small neighborhood, but nearly all the fires we faced there were brush/wildland. Carefully using the water brought by our engines, and planning heavy attack strategies was all we had.
@covewatcher its good to see not everyone looks down on vollie depts im only 18 and have went through more training then most paid firefighters twice my age. and i give 24-7 to my dept i live at the station very literatly and run every call fire, medical, mva, or tree down( as stupid as it is they call us for a tree in the road). thanks for the appretieation
@covewatcher thank you very much.i happen to be a volunteer firefighter of almost 18yrs,and people dont realize what we go though.the scarafices we make to protect their homes and livelyhoods.thanks for your words.
@covewatcher I my self am a vol fire fighter and I know the head acde it is with little man power and little water while waiting for a tender. We have 3 eng. 3 Brush 1 tender. and the nearest aid is 45 min away if they speed.
@covewatcher I my self am a vol fire fighter and I know the head ache it is with little man power and little water while waiting for a tender. We have 3 eng. 3 Brush 1 tender. and the nearest aid is 45 min away if they speed.
In rual communities you have to consider the amount of time it takes to get out to the location where the fire is. And by the time the 1st alarm is arriving the structure is generally fully involved at that time. So by the time the 2nd and 3rd alarms go out and they arrive, most the structure is a total loss at that time. All you can do is contain the fire from spreading to other areas.
In my fire dep. first call material is 1 pumpengine,1water tank,1 ambulance,1 ladder and one firechief...and i'm a portuguese volunteer firefighter...ring's any bell??
Theres nothing they could do without water. in rural communities they need to truck the water in. also 1st alarm is the first companies, 2nd alarm is an all-call where they call in off duty fire fighters, 3rd alarm is a mutual aid request, hence why this was a 3rd alarm. That's how it is around here and I'm sure that's how it is in this video too
is there more than one line running. u could have saved part of the house atleast. there spraying water on the part that is not burning. theis is so stupid. run some 3 inch with other 2 1/2 lines
@ishtech101 That's why you preplan and call for tankers early. And even it you can't maintain constant flow, it's better to apply heavy flows as the water becomes available. 500gpm for two minutes will put out a lot more fire that 125 for 10.
Not trying to be critical. Why not dump the whole tank of water into the heart of the fire with a 2 1/2. Nobody goes in untill the tanker gets there. There will be something left to salvage and nobody should get hurt.
Then there will be a couple of small fires that have to be taken out once the tanker gets there.
they did good especially if this is a volunteer fire dept. Just like my fire dept., they would have killed their water supplies on such a large fire using deck guns or anything like that.
When you live in the country and there is NO Water Supply, no hydrants, no draft accesasable lake, and you are relying on tankers with a 15 minute response time. You do the best you can. Even the great and wonderfull FDNY can't put out fires without water. Those people chose to live without water its not the departments fault.
i woulda set up a bucket above and just put a lot of water into it and set up a couple duce and halves around the house putting water through the windows and sat back and relaxed... if water was limited woulda jsut protected the exposures and let it burn to the ground.. either way no one got hurt so they did a good job :D
An aerial or deck gun would drain the drop tank in no time flat. This is probably not a hydranted area and a tender (tanker) shuttle is required to keep water in the drop tank. The engines then have to draft out of the tank. This is unfortunately a common scene in rural areas with small departments, no hydrants, and mutual aid 15 minutes away, or more.
If they are like my department..we have limited water supply and using a deck gun will only last for about 45 seconds..draining our pumper.. just a thought
They needed much more water power then that dinky 1 3/4 maybe a few deck guns through the windows. Looking at the smoke there was no conversion when they were applying water.
I grew up just down the road from this house on Roberts Rd. I remember the school bus stopping to pick up the teens who lived there. Sharon is a small tight knit community.
probably not even that would have helped. what you would have done was use the deck guns on the trucks to take out the big stuff then the hand lines after.
Using an inch and three quarter hand line to sparay the roof don't help. The water was evaporating before it even got to the fire. I think two and a half lines would have been in order here.
they were just waisting water
43jeffery 1 year ago
now thats a fire
kawasakikx250ff 1 year ago
Damn.... That was bad.....
hayes4321 1 year ago
it look,s hot . fire man a good job sill look,s hot
33666cat 1 year ago
this a fire is one of those you surround and drown.
bear100285 1 year ago
There are times where it's best just to let the fire burn itself out instead of put more wear and tear on a vehicle. Sucks but true. It's the price you pay to live in a rural area. Most rural areas are volunteer with limited equipment and manpower. A lot of the time the equipment itself is older so any time you can not put more stress on it than you need to, the better.
chechnya 1 year ago
@chechnya That's not true, most of these rural department vehicles don't get much milage. The volunteer dept. that I'm on has only 7500 original miles on the first truck they had, a '54 Dodge.
ffjsb 1 year ago
@ffjsb While that may be true, you're still talking about potential motor vehicle accidents which kill many firefighters every year. Also always a risk of accidental damage from misoperating the pump, getting stuck in mud/snow. Then a chance of another fire in another part of town.
chechnya 1 year ago
@chechnya What are you gonna do, leave the apparatus in the fire house covered with a tarp??? With your logic I guess we should just let everything burn down so we don't get any scuff marks on the trucks or dirt on the tires. Have you ever heard of training?? You do that so you reduce the chance of damage and injury. We don't pay hundreds of thousands of dollars for a truck to let it sit in the station, we buy it to use it as often as we can to justify the money spent.
ffjsb 1 year ago
@ffjsb Usually the fire departments like the one in this video have a limited budget and don't have "hundreds of thousands of dollars" worth of truck. They ration the money. If you have hundreds of thousands of dollars of trucks sitting, then of course you can afford to make runs and afford live training. I'm not fully convinced you know how things work outside of a large city fire department. People in rural areas sometimes use decades old trucks and have BBQ fundraisers to afford anything.
chechnya 1 year ago
@chechnya I've been in the fire service for 27 years, and majored in Fire Science. I'm on a large metropolitan department, and a rural volunteer dept. that took less that 200 runs last year. You cant afford NOT to do live training. Old equipment is more prone to dry rot when under used than being worn out. Our '54 Dodge only has 7500 miles on it, last went on a fire run around 1990. Still works good. If you can't train, you shouldn't be fighting fire, period.
ffjsb 1 year ago
@ffjsb Go tell that to the thousands of underfunded fire departments around the USA, you'll never run out of them.
chechnya 1 year ago
@chechnya Wah!! Make do with what you got. This job ain't got room for amateurs!
ffjsb 1 year ago
that 1 3/4 line is doing nothing get the big lines on that thing
japenfire 2 years ago
all i have to say is that you did what you had to do with what equipment and manpower you had... i also think that 50 of your volunteers on scene would have achieved the same result... sorry...
93CFD 2 years ago
WOOOOOOOOW !, you can see inside the house !
KaiserVadin 2 years ago
I was an engine captain in NY, and a Lieutenant in rural SC. Rural firefighters are usually volunteers. They give of their time to train and do the best they can for their communities.
Fires on weekdays lack manpower. Hydrants rarely exist. Initial attack is with water the engine brought . These people do this for no pay, with less than state of the art equipment , and with many firefighting challenges. They are dedicated to their best for the community as any department.
covewatcher 2 years ago 33
covewatcher what you said made me remember the firefighters in 9/11 even more !
KaiserVadin 2 years ago
@covewatcher
Great comment covewatcher. I was a volunteer in a rural part of Washington state for a few years while finishing my education. There was one hydrant in each small neighborhood, but nearly all the fires we faced there were brush/wildland. Carefully using the water brought by our engines, and planning heavy attack strategies was all we had.
Fantosonium 1 year ago
@covewatcher its good to see not everyone looks down on vollie depts im only 18 and have went through more training then most paid firefighters twice my age. and i give 24-7 to my dept i live at the station very literatly and run every call fire, medical, mva, or tree down( as stupid as it is they call us for a tree in the road). thanks for the appretieation
FFEMR616 1 year ago
@covewatcher thank you very much.i happen to be a volunteer firefighter of almost 18yrs,and people dont realize what we go though.the scarafices we make to protect their homes and livelyhoods.thanks for your words.
demodog02 10 months ago
@covewatcher I my self am a vol fire fighter and I know the head acde it is with little man power and little water while waiting for a tender. We have 3 eng. 3 Brush 1 tender. and the nearest aid is 45 min away if they speed.
and they are all vol station also.
certeric1 8 months ago
@covewatcher I my self am a vol fire fighter and I know the head ache it is with little man power and little water while waiting for a tender. We have 3 eng. 3 Brush 1 tender. and the nearest aid is 45 min away if they speed.
and they are all vol station also.
certeric1 8 months ago
In rual communities you have to consider the amount of time it takes to get out to the location where the fire is. And by the time the 1st alarm is arriving the structure is generally fully involved at that time. So by the time the 2nd and 3rd alarms go out and they arrive, most the structure is a total loss at that time. All you can do is contain the fire from spreading to other areas.
lightpaws25 2 years ago
the outcome would have been the same if the fire dept never showed up!
robinhood947 2 years ago
In my fire dep. first call material is 1 pumpengine,1water tank,1 ambulance,1 ladder and one firechief...and i'm a portuguese volunteer firefighter...ring's any bell??
tostao221 2 years ago
wow they did so much to help with the fire
Ckooln 2 years ago
did anyone show up to put the fire out?
tconner54 2 years ago
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MastorKing 2 years ago
surround and drown
fdny214 2 years ago
Just let it burn for all the good these guys are doing.
billyjoraebob 2 years ago
Theres nothing they could do without water. in rural communities they need to truck the water in. also 1st alarm is the first companies, 2nd alarm is an all-call where they call in off duty fire fighters, 3rd alarm is a mutual aid request, hence why this was a 3rd alarm. That's how it is around here and I'm sure that's how it is in this video too
hunter121390 2 years ago
I agree with nofoam4u. set up a masterstream and protect surrounding structures. this one is history.
wldlnd572 2 years ago
If thats a tree alarm then were is all the firemen at.Have seen 3 alarms get 4 ladders and 6 engines and about 100 firefighters
harold17562 2 years ago
where is the scba at
harold17562 2 years ago
is there more than one line running. u could have saved part of the house atleast. there spraying water on the part that is not burning. theis is so stupid. run some 3 inch with other 2 1/2 lines
pinkminkey1 2 years ago
take fire science...then talk
slayslayslay 2 years ago
they needed a more aggresive attack on that fire. they could have knocked it down through that front door easily with a 1 3/4 line.
britavo 2 years ago
dude you must be insane! way to much fire for that small of a line! possibly stop with a 2 1/2 I would hit it with deck gun try to get a stop
arffII 2 years ago
You want to take a 1 3/4 line into that? LoL.. The house gone. There's fire out the roof. Put a masterstream on it and sith back.
nofoam4u 2 years ago 6
@nofoam4u Ikr! Damn every ting in there is gone.....
hayes4321 1 year ago
@nofoam4u deck gun or 3 inch, but no water supply kinda makes that impossible
ishtech101 1 year ago
@ishtech101 That's why you preplan and call for tankers early. And even it you can't maintain constant flow, it's better to apply heavy flows as the water becomes available. 500gpm for two minutes will put out a lot more fire that 125 for 10.
ffjsb 1 year ago
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@nofoam4u masterstream uses A LOT of water
joek0617 7 months ago
Not trying to be critical. Why not dump the whole tank of water into the heart of the fire with a 2 1/2. Nobody goes in untill the tanker gets there. There will be something left to salvage and nobody should get hurt.
Then there will be a couple of small fires that have to be taken out once the tanker gets there.
jlm993 2 years ago
why didint they start to put out the fire? im not hatin them i wana be one, im just wondering if theres somethign they have to do before hand or??..
orangejump11 2 years ago
they were waiting for a tanker to arrive...which they im not 1 either but im sure the 1st on scene has pumping abilities and some water in it
jao216 2 years ago
damn big fire what happened
chriscumming 2 years ago
any idea what started the fire?
Capt421 2 years ago
@Capt421 Mice with matches...LOL
Lieutenant7b 2 weeks ago
its so sad what the people must have been like i hope my house never burns down but that is just so sad
NaturePerson56 3 years ago
Why is that a three alarm fire? that looks like just a regular single alarm to me.
idkjames 3 years ago
awesome video
twinboysfire52 3 years ago
they did good especially if this is a volunteer fire dept. Just like my fire dept., they would have killed their water supplies on such a large fire using deck guns or anything like that.
soadisawesome24 3 years ago
When you live in the country and there is NO Water Supply, no hydrants, no draft accesasable lake, and you are relying on tankers with a 15 minute response time. You do the best you can. Even the great and wonderfull FDNY can't put out fires without water. Those people chose to live without water its not the departments fault.
toxickavenger 3 years ago
i woulda set up a bucket above and just put a lot of water into it and set up a couple duce and halves around the house putting water through the windows and sat back and relaxed... if water was limited woulda jsut protected the exposures and let it burn to the ground.. either way no one got hurt so they did a good job :D
whatuwantdude 3 years ago
contra más videos de servicios de bomberos americanos veo, me doy cuenta que en Europa les damos mil vueltas...
pml0770 3 years ago
im suprised that they did not get a bucket up
psp310 3 years ago
this house was a gonner as soon as the fire dept showed up anyways.
jsj297 3 years ago
An aerial or deck gun would drain the drop tank in no time flat. This is probably not a hydranted area and a tender (tanker) shuttle is required to keep water in the drop tank. The engines then have to draft out of the tank. This is unfortunately a common scene in rural areas with small departments, no hydrants, and mutual aid 15 minutes away, or more.
arpscec 3 years ago
Has anyone thought of setting up an aerial on this fire?
jamesff77 3 years ago
If they are like my department..we have limited water supply and using a deck gun will only last for about 45 seconds..draining our pumper.. just a thought
afd4227 3 years ago
Whay the hell was that some kind of drill,or there first time at a fire, WOW
firewarden92 3 years ago
They needed much more water power then that dinky 1 3/4 maybe a few deck guns through the windows. Looking at the smoke there was no conversion when they were applying water.
scfd36 3 years ago
Those fireman looked outmatched
yabutter 3 years ago
i have to agree with firefighter 32281
apblaizen 3 years ago
I grew up just down the road from this house on Roberts Rd. I remember the school bus stopping to pick up the teens who lived there. Sharon is a small tight knit community.
kbkelley12 3 years ago
Looks like they need more water power.
Snailmail852 4 years ago
probably not even that would have helped. what you would have done was use the deck guns on the trucks to take out the big stuff then the hand lines after.
firefighter32281 4 years ago 2
Using an inch and three quarter hand line to sparay the roof don't help. The water was evaporating before it even got to the fire. I think two and a half lines would have been in order here.
buckner623 4 years ago