Well first off, I did not have one about and with CompUSA closed it would be a trip to microcenter in Cambridge which is an hour to get any different media.
But even if I did the fact is that the drive does not burn 700MB. Apples will not burn 700MB to any disk and Windows will try but fails if the drive does not support it. Many DVD ROM drives do not support 700MB on CD-R media.
Standards are just that. Linux distributions should respect them just like everyone else.
This comment leads me to believe your failed attempts in the video to burn the ISO occurred because you were trying to put 700 MB of data onto a 650 MB CD-R. If I'm right, it's obvious why it didn't work, because the very maximum you can "overburn" a 650 MB CD-R is to around 690 MB, depending on the drive.
"Apples will not burn 700MB to any disk.."
Nonsense. 700 MB CD-Rs were launched in 1998, and as I say have become THE standard in CD-R media.
In case you doubt my claims regarding 700 MB CD-Rs, here's a snippet from the OSTA's online guide, drafted circa 2001, which you can google at your leisure:
"What capacities of blank CD-R and CD-RW discs are available?
Manufacturers commonly express disc capacity in terms of how much Red Book digital audio (in minutes) and computer data (in megabytes) a disc can contain. Currently, 74 minute/650 MB, 80 minute/700 MB (12 cm) and 21 minute/185 MB (8 cm) discs are the market standards."
I pointed the issue out to several pretty well known Linux developers and none of them suggested that the problem was the media.
CDR is essentially obsolete except as boot media for old machines. Expecting people to keep up with the peculiarities of an obsolete format is somewhat odd.
If the Ubuntu folk are going to make a distro that requires a particular capacity disk they should make that clear so that people can plan in advance, not do as I did and discover it by trial and error.
"If the Ubuntu folk are going to make a distro that requires a particular capacity disk.."
It's not just Ubuntu. The CD ISOs for Fedora, Mandriva and SUSE, to name but a few distros, are all larger than 650 MB and thus require 700 MB CD-Rs.
When 99% of the CD-Rs on the market are 700MB, and 99.99% of the drives are capable of writing to them, then there's little need to specify requirements.
Just to add (my final comment, I promise!) On the Ubuntu BurningIsoHowto page (can't post a link, youtube won't allow), it has this to say:
"Ubuntu is distributed over the Internet as CD image files, called ISOs. To install Ubuntu from a CD, you first need to burn the downloaded ISO image onto a CD. This requires a working CD/DVD burner and an 80 minute (700 Mb) CD."
Well the howto instructions have included the 700 MB CD advice since the beginning of 2007. That's the advantage of the wiki system, you can keep track of changes ;)
Why on Earth didn't you just use a 700 MB (80 min) CD-R? They've been widely available for nearly a decade and in fact it's quite hard to find a 650 MB one these days!
Nice to see someone being honest about Ubuntu...it is an interesting O/S but there are issues. I run windows and ubuntu on different computers and like both, for different reasons, but they both have their issues.
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phdstudent 2 years ago
phdstudent.
Well first off, I did not have one about and with CompUSA closed it would be a trip to microcenter in Cambridge which is an hour to get any different media.
But even if I did the fact is that the drive does not burn 700MB. Apples will not burn 700MB to any disk and Windows will try but fails if the drive does not support it. Many DVD ROM drives do not support 700MB on CD-R media.
Standards are just that. Linux distributions should respect them just like everyone else.
hallambaker 2 years ago
"Well first off, I did not have one.."
This comment leads me to believe your failed attempts in the video to burn the ISO occurred because you were trying to put 700 MB of data onto a 650 MB CD-R. If I'm right, it's obvious why it didn't work, because the very maximum you can "overburn" a 650 MB CD-R is to around 690 MB, depending on the drive.
"Apples will not burn 700MB to any disk.."
Nonsense. 700 MB CD-Rs were launched in 1998, and as I say have become THE standard in CD-R media.
phdstudent 2 years ago
In case you doubt my claims regarding 700 MB CD-Rs, here's a snippet from the OSTA's online guide, drafted circa 2001, which you can google at your leisure:
"What capacities of blank CD-R and CD-RW discs are available?
Manufacturers commonly express disc capacity in terms of how much Red Book digital audio (in minutes) and computer data (in megabytes) a disc can contain. Currently, 74 minute/650 MB, 80 minute/700 MB (12 cm) and 21 minute/185 MB (8 cm) discs are the market standards."
phdstudent 2 years ago
I pointed the issue out to several pretty well known Linux developers and none of them suggested that the problem was the media.
CDR is essentially obsolete except as boot media for old machines. Expecting people to keep up with the peculiarities of an obsolete format is somewhat odd.
If the Ubuntu folk are going to make a distro that requires a particular capacity disk they should make that clear so that people can plan in advance, not do as I did and discover it by trial and error.
hallambaker 2 years ago
"If the Ubuntu folk are going to make a distro that requires a particular capacity disk.."
It's not just Ubuntu. The CD ISOs for Fedora, Mandriva and SUSE, to name but a few distros, are all larger than 650 MB and thus require 700 MB CD-Rs.
When 99% of the CD-Rs on the market are 700MB, and 99.99% of the drives are capable of writing to them, then there's little need to specify requirements.
phdstudent 2 years ago
Just to add (my final comment, I promise!) On the Ubuntu BurningIsoHowto page (can't post a link, youtube won't allow), it has this to say:
"Ubuntu is distributed over the Internet as CD image files, called ISOs. To install Ubuntu from a CD, you first need to burn the downloaded ISO image onto a CD. This requires a working CD/DVD burner and an 80 minute (700 Mb) CD."
phdstudent 2 years ago
So they fixed the instructions. Nice to see someone is taking notice.
hallambaker 2 years ago
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Well the howto instructions have included the 700 MB CD advice since the beginning of 2007. That's the advantage of the wiki system, you can keep track of changes ;)
phdstudent 2 years ago
Why on Earth didn't you just use a 700 MB (80 min) CD-R? They've been widely available for nearly a decade and in fact it's quite hard to find a 650 MB one these days!
phdstudent 2 years ago
Nice to see someone being honest about Ubuntu...it is an interesting O/S but there are issues. I run windows and ubuntu on different computers and like both, for different reasons, but they both have their issues.
hokusbloke 2 years ago