The miracle of the sun is the only time outside of the resurrection that a particular date and time was forecast for a miracle to be performed. Lycia had asked for a miracle to prove that our lady was appearing to them. She asked for this the previous June 13th and Our Lady said in October a miracle will be given for all to see. There was 70,000 people present that day many of them unbelievers and atheists and they saw the sun spinning in the sky and falling to the earth. The miracle was even s
@drumcircler He used his talents to glorify his Savior and he purveyed the true teachings of the Catholic Church. He was in a way a type of genius and will someday be Beatified as a Saint. We all need to listen and respond generously to the message of Fatima
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This Sheen was a frustrated actor and a shameless liar for a corrupt church. He was more whacked out that Charlie Sheen, and much more dangerous. Fatima is bunk.
@blitzel3 "you have chosen to exile yourself from communion with Peter and therefore the Church'
The last time I checked, neither Peter nor the RCC are God.
Jesus will never abandon those who are in Him, members of the Kingdom of Heaven. His spiritual family. As He said: "he who does the Will of My Father is to me mother, brother, sister, son, daughter...".
The 'church' is built upon Jesus, not Peter. As the foundation of Faith is Christ.
@blitzel3 1) The Vatican has done nothing BUT reject Christ & pervert His Gospel, over 1600+ years.
2) Jesus never used the word 'church', nor any with its meaning - as no such construct existed in the 1st century
3) Jesus promise was to the members of the Kingdom of Heaven; His family, as He defines them in the Gospel. The gates of hell will not conquer those who are of the Gospel
@JPI280978 6) The Church has persecuted, tortured & murdered countless numbers of those who refused to submit to its 'authority' - all in the Name of God
2) Ratzinger has not merely denied Christ, but claimed to be him
3) Ratzinger & the Vatican Administration are GUILTY of rape & torture of children; of enabling & concealing it; of flaunting civil law & the Law of God. Jesus overtly condemns those who scandalize innocent kids
4) The ONLY foundation of the Church is Jesus Christ.
"The chair of the Roman Church, in which Peter sat, and in which Anastasius sits today." Augustine, Against the Letters of Petillian, 2:51 (A.D. 402).
“Peter, who is called 'the rock on which the church should be built,' who also obtained 'the keys of the kingdom of heaven...'” Tertullian, On the Prescription Against the Heretics, 22 (c. A.D. 200).
@MysticalCity Regardless of the writings of so-called 'saints', the Truth of the Holy Spirit as found in Scripture is that Jesus Christ alone is the true 'rock' & foundation of the Faith.
Anyone who claims what you quote is simply wrong; OR has had words put into their mouths by those in the Vatican with a self-serving aganda.
@JPI280978 Also, about the Inquisition, the penalties most used by the CATHOLIC Church on witches were penance, excommunication, or imprisonment, but if the witch repented, they were pardoned. But who was responsible for the thousands of killings? Protestants and secular courts.
@LilacLily9 False: the church + its friendly state collaborators tortured & killed large numbers of ppl who were deemed 'sinners' - or who simply dared to challenged the 'authority' of the Vatican.
This is the demonic Inverse of the Gospel. Jesus draws men to Him gently; forcing nobody to do anything. Forced 'repentance' is not repentance; it is PERSECUTION. Fact: the two groups of ppl whom God invited to see the infant Jesus were nonbelievers & occultists. Showing whom He really loves.
NOBODY have the Church the right to persecute, torture, or imprison anyone! And NOBODY has the right to take a life. Capital punishment is murder. It is the oldest Commandment, dating from the time of Cain - who, though a murderer, was NOT to be killed by the very command of God. This is MERCY.
Jesus speaks again: "Do not return evil for evil".
Mark 13:31 - heaven and earth will pass away, but Jesus' Word will not pass away. But Jesus never says anything about His Word being entirely committed to a book. Also, it took 400 years to compile the Bible, and another 1,000 years to invent the printing press. How was the Word of God communicated? Orally, by the bishops of the Church, with the guidance and protection of the Holy Spirit.
@MysticalCity The first written versions of Gospels were made within a few years of Jesus' ascension. The Gospel of Thomas was written in Syriac in the late 30s. It was the 1st Gospel known to have left Judea; brought to Egypt by the apostle Mark. Note: Mark did NOT bring the 'Gospel of Mark'. Thus Thomas founded the Coptic church.
There were many written Gospels, widely distributed in the 1st century. Clue: literacy was not uncommon them.....
@JPI280978 My Point was that The Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church put the Bible together, as you know there were many books that didn't make it in, and St.Peter was the first pope, and died in Rome. Also another point i was trying to make was that the Bible took 400 years to make and another 1000 for the printing press, hence the saints back then all HEARD the gospels in Church, and thats how they became saints, you coudn't go to barnes and nobles and buy one.
@JPI280978 the Vatican suppressed? your spending too much time watching youtube videos about conspiracies and what not, instead you should be saying how martin luther removed the book of Maccabees because he didn't know how to argue purgatory, The Bishops of The Catholic Church chose the books which were from God, and then Pope Damasus commissioned St.Jerome to translate it to Latin, which came to be known as the Latin Vulgate, edited texts? you mean the corrupt king james, and the niv?
@MysticalCity In compiling what we now call 'the bible' in the wake of the Council of Nicea, many well known & valid texts from both Testaments were suppressed. These included many legitimate Gospels & books of the Prophets. The Gospel of Thomas & Book of Enoch are well known examples. Many other books were carefully 'edited' as to not conflict with the hegemony of the new Vatican.
The Vatican eliminated books which contained the Truth of the Holy Spirit.
@JPI280978 thank you for showing me your ignorance, if you read the book of enoch you would know why it was removed along with thomas, you don't think satan was corrupting texts back in the day? also the 73 books were chosen by The Catholic Church under the guidance of The Holy Spirit, DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE GOD WOULD ALLOW HIS CHURCH TO REMOVE BOOKS THAT WERE IMPORTANT!?also The Council of Nicea was for the arian heresy. Please don't talk about things you are ignorant about.
@MysticalCity God allowed true Scripture to be suppressed in the same way He allows satan to exist....& the Inquisitions...the murder of Joan d' Arc by Vatican authorities.
Nicea was the selling of Christ's church to Mammon; making it a state religion.
The Gospel of Thomas, written in Syriac in the late 30sAD, was brought to Egypt by the apostle Mark; thus founding the Coptic church, the oldest Christian church. It is coherent with the Canonical Gospels.
@JPI280978 coptics are heretics buddy, along with the other 50,000 denominations, and since when did God changed marks name? St.Peter was the first pope started the Church when Jesus ascended. He died in Rome,Crucified upside down, anyway The council of Nicea was to combat the arian heresy, its clear you are ignorant, and St.Joan of Arc died in France WHERE DO YOU GET YOUR INFO FROM WIKIPEDIA!?
@MysticalCity The Copts are the oldest extant branch of Xtianity. Calling them names changes nothing. All that matters is that they believe in Jesus, strive to live His teaching, venerate Mary & emulate her example.
There was no such thing as a 'pope' until after Nicea. There is no valid contemporary historical evidence to support the legend of Peter's manner of death.
Joan d' Arc was tortured & murdered by Vatican Administrators.
@JPI280978 you clearly graduated from youtube university, has there ever been a saint who was not Catholic?! if it wasn't for the Catholic Church you wouldn't have a Bible! Pope Damasus ordered St.Jerome to translate(because he was the smartest man back then to be able to do it) you want proof St.Peter died in Rome?
"[W]hich Peter and Paul preached at Rome..." Lactantius, The Divine Institutes, 4:21 (A.D. 310).
@MysticalCity As there is NO contemporary evidence of the manner of Peter's death, anything you dredge up is penned centuries later. But I am sure that you comprehend nothing which is not pre-packaged by EWTN...
Jerome was not even working with the Greek urtexts, much less the Aramaic originals....
Clue: 310 AD is NOT 65 AD. That is NOT a comptemporary account. Or do you need me to explain the big words?
@JPI280978 "Peter...at last, having come to Rome, he was crucified head-downwards; for he had requested that he might suffer this way." Origen, Third Commentary on Genesis, (A.D. 232).
"Matthew also issued a written Gospel among the Hebrews in their own dialect, while Peter and Paul were preaching at Rome, and laying the foundations of the Church." Irenaeus, Against Heresies, 3:1:1 (c. A.D. 180).
@JPI280978 "Thus Peter, the first of the Apostles, having been often apprehended, and thrown into prison, and treated with igominy, was last of all crucified at Rome." Peter of Alexandria, The Canonical Epistle, Canon 9 (A.D. 306).
"Peter...coming to the city of Rome, by the mighty cooperation of that power which was lying in wait there..." Eusebius, Ecclesiastical History, II:14,5 (A.D. 325).
@MysticalCity The Copts are one of the oldest Xtian churches, older then the Vatican. They believe in Jesus, His teachings, & revere Mary as Theotokos. They have a very deep spirituality, as exemplified in their Divine Liturgy - which is focussed on the worship of God. Rather then the adulation of the local Bishop.....or Pope.
@JPI280978 The canonical discussions were settled at the Councils of Carthage and Rome, and restated at Florence and Trent. That's when(Council of Trent) the church said The Latin Vulgate(books of the bible which St.Jerome translated to Latin) said it was free from error! and the Douay-Rheims is the english translation of The Latin Vulgate AKA the most accurate Bible, you mean satan advises people to get the kjv(removed 7 books) or the niv(removed 7 books and changed verses)
@JPI280978 Inquisition was responsible less than 500 witch deaths.The other 40-60,000 deaths were in Protestant countries & local secular courts. Persecutions didn't reach epidemic levels until after Reformation, when the CC had lost its position as Europe's indisputable moral authority. Moreover most of the killing was done by secular courts. Church courts tried many witches but they usually imposed non-lethal penalties. It almost invariably pardoned any witch who confessed and repented...
@LilacLily9 The Vatican was the winner in the 'conversion by torture' game; yet sadly Protestants are also guilty of such un-Christian fanaticism.
Your words reveal that you favor this method of 'evangelization', used by the Church since Nicea, when it went on a trajectory AWAY from the Gospel. Conversion must be by free will - not by pain, threat & blood. Such is NOT of God. The same is true of any GENUINE repentence.
You are of the spirit of the Inquisitors, whom Jesus condemns.
@LilacLily9 Where in the Gospel does Jesus authorize the persecution,imprisonment, torture, forced conversion or killing of non-believers or 'heretics'?
Nowhere.
Those who have done such things serve satan, not God.
@JPI280978 It was the English court that tried Joan of Arc under the auspices of an Inquisition. But it was basically a farce.The English wanted to put to death this French heroine who had defeated them. The death of Joan of Arc was a rigged bogus "Inquisition" set up by the English to kill the French heroine that defeated them. It was not about heresy. In fact, the French Church empowered her to lead the French troops as a religious visionary against the English.
@LilacLily9 You speak the lies of historical revisionism of Opus Dei.
Joan d'Arc would never have been subjected to capture , capture, torture & execution were it not for the Vatican Administration - as the state has always done it bidding. The Church tortured & murdered a prophet sent by God to them.....just as Jesus foretold they would in Matthew 23
@MysticalCity "...The Bishops of The Catholic Church chose the books which were from God..."
These would then be the same fewer then 270 bishops who sold Christ's church to Mammon at Nicea? In exchange for money, power, land, social standing, priviledge & the back up of the state? And then forged the Donation of Constantine, falsely claiming that he had willed his empire to the Vatican?
@JPI280978 like i said before you have a masters degree from youtube university, please know your facts, matter fact lets go back a bit, Matthew 16:18 And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. See that? God changed Peters name right there, anytime God changes someones name in scripture it symbolizes leadership, example Abram to Abraham(Father of nations) Jacob to Israel(Ruling with God)
@JPI280978 continued- Mark 3:16; John 1:42 – Jesus renames Simon "Kepha" in Aramaic which literally means "rock." This was an extraordinary thing for Jesus to do, because "rock" was not even a name in Jesus' time. Jesus did this, not to give Simon a strange name, but to identify his new status among the apostles. When God changes a person's name, He changes their status.
@MysticalCity In reality...Jesus chose Peter as the leader of the Apostles; as a leader among equals. The only 'rock' is Jesus Himself, as explained elsewhere in Scripture.
When you try to "prove' something by a single, uncorroborated verse to support the hegemony of the Imperial Papacy, you are on thin ice.
Jesus never used the word 'church' or any word with that meaning, as neither the word nor construct existed in the 1st century.
@JPI280978 your wrong, Peter is A Rock, Jesus is The Rock, or cornerstone, Jesus built The Catholic Church upon Peter, “And Peter, on whom the Church of Christ is built, against which the gates of hell shall not prevail...” Origen, Commentary on John, 5:3 (A.D. 232).
John 21:15 - Jesus asks Peter if he loves Jesus "more than these," referring to the other apostles. Jesus singles Peter out as the leader of the apostolic college.
@MysticalCity It does not matter who claims that Peter is the 'rock upon which the church is built', nor how many times you repeat it: you are still wrong.
Jesus is the only 'rock' upon which the 'church' is built. The gates of hell shall not prevail against those who are members of the Kingdom of Heaven; the spiritual family of ALL who believe in Jesus & strive to live the Gospel.
@MysticalCity Peter was chose by Jesus as the leader or 'head' of the apostles, hence the term which you are intentionally twisting., as the Vatican has done for centuries.
Vicar of Christ? Anyone can 'represent' Jesus IF he does the things which He taught. If he does otherwise, then he is NOT a 'vicar'. And he is not if he teaches, writes, speaks, enables or approve of (literally or tacitly) that which is contrary to the Gospel. And NOT if he is DEAF to the Holy Spirit, as most popes.
@MysticalCity Jesus never uttered the word 'church', nor one with that meaning.....as there was no such word or meaning in the 1st century.
...and He did NOT utter 'ekklesia' as He did not speak in Greek. That word had NO religious context in the 1st century. What He actually said was:
'those set apart...chosen...called out....and outcalling'. In other words, the mystical, spiritual family of those whom He chose to follow Him for all successive centuries. He chooses you.
@JPI280978 "Jesus never uttered the word 'church'" You are really stupid aren't you?: "Upon this rock I will build my Church." Matthew 6;18. You call the Lord a liar? Oh wait, lemme guess: "That's was invented by the Opus Dei" LMAO!
@drupes Neither the word 'church' nor one with that meaning existed in the 1st cent. As it is a Germanic/Nordic word, languages which would not exist in Europe in a recognizable form for another 1000 years.
Ekklesia is a Greek legal term with no religious meaning. And Jesus did not speak Greek. The rough Aramaic equivalent meant: " those called out, set apart, an outcalling, the elect". Thus the family of those whom Jesus calls to follow Him.
@JPI280978 also about Nicea it was to combat the arian heresy, which from your understanding your IQ is just north of a bedroom slipper, so let me break it down, there was a corrupt bishop in the Catholic Church saying that Jesus is not God, it lasted for 400 years, then finally died. The council of Nicea had 0% with what your talking about, also who do you think took care of the poor,sick, hungry etc.. The Monasteries from the Catholic Churches, read from reliable sources not anti-Catholics.
@MysticalCity The poor were taxed by the church - especially those who live on or adjacent to church lands. The Vatican enslaved all of Europe for 1000 years in virtual 'totalitarian communism', better known as the Feudal State. The poor owned neither his body, wife, kids, land, nor even the work of his hands. All was property of his lord...and overlord; to the penultimate overlord: the pope.
At Nicea the Church went on a demonic trajectory away from the Gospel.
@JPI280978 because it was translated from The Latin Vulgate, which was translated from the hebrew and greek texts, Saint Jerome translated it to Latin, who was the most smartest man back then, which is why the Pope Damasus chose St.Jerome to translate it! and The Douay-Rheims version of the Bible is translated word for word from the Latin Vulgate, who authorized your bible? a bisexual sodomite politician king? james?
@MysticalCity Do you actually read what you write? Or are you cognitively impaired?
"Church" is of Germanic origin. Neither the word, the construct it describes, nor the meaning or the Germanic languages existed in Europe until c. 1000 years after Christ.
The Vulgate was written long prior to that. It did not contain the word 'church'. And Jesus never spoke Greek, nor did He say the word 'Ekklesia'.
@MysticalCity "Saint Jerome ...was the most smartest man back then"
Exactly HOW do you know this? Were you there? Is there a definitive list, citing all of the IQ data for all the men in the world in the 4th century?
Jerome was chosen as he was a 'man of confidence' who would craft the Bible as the pope & vatican officials wanted it to be. He was not even working with the Greek urtexts.....
@JPI280978 yes he was, or else God would not have had him translate the books of the Bible to Latin,
Plus the Catholic Church said at the Council of Trent that the Latin Vulgate was the official Bible of the Catholic Church, and said it is without error. by the way you can argue all day, history is history, please spray yourself with that troll spray.
@JPI280978 "the original greek texts were lost long before, blah blah blah"
ignorant comment at its finest., St.Jerome had the most accurate translations anyone can get there hands on,and he translated it to Latin, what happens when you get corrupt texts? you get the king james version and any version thats not Douay-Rheims.
@MysticalCity "My Point was that The Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church put the Bible together, as you know there were many books that didn't make it in"
Prove to the audience that Jesus authorized ANYONE to 'edit' or suppress His words, which are the Truth of the Holy Spirit.
*plays Jeopardy theme*
NO! He did not. God wrote Scripture via chosen souls whom He inspired. Scripture is NOT the work of the Vatican. Coherence is the ONLY judge of scriptural authenticity.
@MysticalCity ...and they shall be called to account for this, when said guilty parties face Jesus alone to be judged.
He gave to NOBODY the 'right' to edit, rewrite, much less suppress ANY of the Truth of the Holy Spirit. As many of the suppressed texts are quite Coherent with the canonical texts, there was no reason to suppress them.
...except that some of them contained words which demolished the self-assumed power & dominion of the Vatican.
This man was a well-spoken demagogue and propagandist, who mythologized history for the benefit of a reactionary papacy dancing to the tune of international capitalism.
@drupes Mr Sheen was not what he appeared to be. What you see here is a well honed stage persona. He was a great Method Actor, who 'became' this character for the camera. But his personal reality was far different & very dark.
He was involved in the cover-up of clerical sex abuse of minors in NYC, including one case he personally witnessed, 'caught in the act', in his own office.
@drupes The sex abuse which Sheen covered up is the matter of sworn testimony in court documents by victims.
His private apartment in Manhattan was in an exclusive luxury building. Ppl from the Diocese of Rochester can readily affirm that he brought his private chef with him from NYC.
As to his 'persona' use your eyes & mind; with the guidance of the Holy Spirit.....
@JPI280978 WHO ARE THOSE "VICTIMS"? IN WHAT COURT AND CASE DID THEY SWEAR TO? WHEN? AGAIN, FURNISH FULL AND PROPER PROOF SO THAT OTHERS MAY TEST YOUR ACCUSATIONS. YOU SOUND LIKE A JACK CHICK COMIC, JACKASS!
@drupes Your words clearly indicate that you are not of Christ.....rather, that you are of a 'different spirit'.
The postulator(s) of Sheen's cause are well aware of these matters & the solid evidence; yet have chosen to ignore it. Just as they did with all negative testimony against Escriva. This is the mode of Opus Dei: "the end justifies the means'.
The antics of the Vatican Administration & their cheering section only serves to give fuel to such as Chick, et. al.
@JPI280978 Like I said, EVIDENCE, EVIDENCE, EVIDENCE! You accuse, you GIVE PROOF. Why point to Bp. Sheen's postulators? You were the one who said he is not holy, then show us why. You tell us St. Josemaria is not holy, show us why. You say the Opus Dei is not holy, show us how. So simple logic even a child could follow, why cant you? You claim solid evidence, WHERE? I ask for evidence for your claims, which is JUST under human and Divine law and logic, and you tell me I'm not of Christ?
@JPI280978 Like I said, WHERE'S YOUR EVIDENCE? I cannot take the word of a lunatic like you at face value, with so many conflicting statements. Cite your evidence or shut up. You cannot even name this "postulator". You are like your "visionaries", making up false stories.
@drupes The postulator is actually involved in several sainthood causes & his face is well known. The evidence was presented to the Sheen cause...who 'piously' ignored it. Sheen's sainthood is a 'done deal', just like Escriva's. Just as in the case of the latter, all negative evidence/testimony will either be ignored or played down.
Heaven has a much different opinion of certain...'saints'.
@JPI280978 "The church of God which sojourns at Rome to the church of God which sojourns at Corinth ... But if any disobey the words spoken by him through us, let them know that they will involve themselves in transgression and in no small danger." Clement of Rome, Pope, 1st Epistle to the Corinthians, 1,59:1 (c. A.D. 96).
Timothy 3:15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.
@MysticalCity You fans of Opus Dei all seem to read from the same script.....
Coherence is the spiritual basis for comprehending scripture. Mundanely, this requires the reading of things in context. When one does so with this passage, one Sees clearly that the 'pillar & ground of the Truth' is God.
@drupes One cannot speak of the Vatican without referring to Opus Dei, as the former owns & completely controls the latter - & every diocese on earth. One cannot become a bishop unless one is at least 'friendly' to OD & its personnel/agendas. As they have long controlled the Vatican Bank(s), they can make bishops 'dance' at will, by controlling the funds they need.
@JPI280978 "One cannot speak of the Vatican without referring to Opus Dei, as the former owns & completely controls the latter" Talk to the hand JACKASS. More unfounded allegations. Try a new career: FICTION WRITING
@JPI280978 "You cannot deny that you know that in the city of Rome the Chair was first conferred on Peter, in which the prince of all the Apostles, Peter, sat…in which Chair unity should be preserved by all, so that he should now be a schismatic and a sinner who should set up another Chair against that unique one." Optatus of Mileve, The Schism of Donatists, 2:2-3 (c. A.D. 367).
@MysticalCity The only 'keys' given by Christ to the apostles was the Gospel itself. As it is the comprehension & striving ot LIVE Jesus' teaching which unlocks the Kingdom of Heaven, which He taught "is within you'. It is not a building nor a man made & run entity.It is the spiritual family of all who follow Christ's teaching.
Jesus also ordered the Apostles & their successors to live in literal material poverty, relying ONLY on the HS for their sustenance. The Vatican has no Faith.
@JPI280978 "I am held in the communion of the Catholic Church by...and by the succession of bishops from the very seat of Peter, to whom the Lord, after His resurrection commended His sheep to be fed up to the present episcopate." Augustine, Against the Letter of Mani, 5 (A.D. 395).
@JPI280978 "The postulator is actually involved in several sainthood causes & his face is well known." If he is so freaking popular then is it so much TO NAME HIM? And since you know about this "case" that he ignored, IS IT SO MUCH TO CITE YOUR SOURCE? Don't you realize your statements have as much credibility and certainty as a blind item on a showbiz talk show? BE A MAN! NAME NAMES!
@JPI280978 "In your twisted purvey, the victims should be exposed, humiliated, interrogated & put before a kangaroo court." Where on earth did you pick that up? STOP MAKING UP WORDS.
@drupes Spiritual Coherence is the most essential element in comprehending Scripture & Prophecy. It is also given by the Holy Spirit. Such Coherence must also apply to Ecclesial matters:
It is both illogical & INcoherent to assert that the Holy Spirit would guide the selection of a man as pope....who is an unrepentent former Nazi & HitlerJugend soldier...as God's sole mouthpiece on earth.
@JPI280978 If I were to take your argument EVERY German who lived under Hitler would be incompetent for anything. If you are aware of history Nazism attempted to permeate every aspect of life in Germany at that time, all directed towards the personality cult of Hitler. Youth were enrolled in the Nazi Youth Movement (including the present pope) which was obviously NOT voluntary. Your generalization is bordering on racism.
@drupes As I am German & have friends & family who fled the Nazi regime I know whereof I speak. Your allegation of racism is both sick & laughable.
Mr. Ratz voluntarily joined the HJ as per his own words in his autobiography.
Naziism sprang from the centuries old & grossly wrong catechetizing of Catholics (& many Protestants). Of course, had the Vatican been obedient to God - reforming itself & in a mode of repentance - Naziism, WWII & the Shoah would never have happened.....
@JPI280978 "By December 1936, HJ membership stood at just over five million. That same month, HJ membership became mandatory for Aryans, under the Gesetz über die Hitlerjugend law. This legal obligation was re-affirmed in 1939 with the Jugenddienstpflicht and HJ membership was required even when it was opposed by the member's parents. " You were saying?
@JPI280978 Ten? You blame a TEN year-old for having "joined" a political entity whose full character he could not have possibly understood? One of his cousins was 'euthanized", MURDERED by the Nazis because he had down syndrome and was an "undesirable". You think he'd be in sympathy with the Nazis after that?
@drupes The church & clinical experts on childhood consider the age of 6-7 to be the 'age of reason': at which the child comprehends right from wrong. At that point a child is culpable for sin.
It is amusing that the info on the 'cousin' magically surfaced after many started questioning Ratz's Nazi past, for which he has NEVER repented nor atoned. It is a diversion from the Truth.
@JPI280978 By your own admission then the "visionaries" of Garabandal really knew what they were doing when they stole from their neighbor. They were 12-14 at that time.
NO soul is without sin. Every 'saint' has sinned. Even those who are just & in a close relationship with God are tempted & fall every day, even if it is only in little things. As long as one is on earth, that is the way it is.
Peter - an Apostle & chosen as their leader - denied Christ. Consistently did not grasp His teaching. Paul had the blood of many Xtians on his hands; yet Jesus chose him.
@JPI280978 The question here is NOT if everybody has sin, but rather are they WORTHY of a heavenly favor, like an APPARITION. Look at Bernadette, Lucia, Francisco and Jacinta, even Melanie and Maximin. Were they reported to have STOLEN before the Virgin appeared to them? NO. They didn't go to Mass, receive Communion and then committed THEFT right after. And then poof! an ARCHANGEL and the MOTHER OF GOD appears to them! DISGUSTING STUPIDITY!
@drupes Bernadatte, the Fatima seers & those of LaSalette were all sinners....as have been every real saint.
You do not really care about apples; you merely use this as an excuse to dismiss prophecy which condemns the object of your 'faith': the Vatican Administrators.
If you had any faith, you would not write this tirade.
@drupes NOBODY is 'worthy' of a heavenly favor. When God chooses a soul to receive special knowldge or to see what nobody else can, the choice is NOT based on the person's merit. But on God's Will. He chooses a person as He knows that this particular soul will respond correctly to Him, in love & loyalty.
None of those you mentioned were 'worthy'. They God's choice for God's reasons.
@drupes As you are so truly spiritually sick due to Fanaticism, you would have been holding a rock with glee in your eye, ready to smash the skull of the sorrowful & repentant Mary Magdalene - along with the other 'pious ones'.....
...until Jesus bent down to write your sins in the dirt for all to see.
There is very little Time left for you to be converted to Jesus & His Gospel. I suggest you use it wisely.
@JPI280978 "you would have been holding a rock with glee in your eye, ready to smash the skull of the sorrowful & repentant Mary Magdalene" Saint Mary when she realized her guilt repented ON THE SPOT AND IMMEDIATELY asked forgiveness directly from Our Lord (because He was there physically). Your IDOLS the frauds of Garabandal were too lazy to go running to confession even if the Church was only a few steps away.
@drupes If you had any real knowledge of Garabandal, you would know that the children were immediately repentant.
There is no comparison between swiping some apples & willingly joining the HJ. Even if one joined UNwillingly or for compliance, parental approval.....the immorality is so vast & disgusting. As HJ kids were trained in occult ideology & racism. Trained in the things of hell.
@drupes "Before, the cup was filling up. Now it is flowing over. Many cardinals, many bishops and many priests are on the road to perdition and are taking many souls with them." (Garabandal)
""The work of the devil will infiltrate the Church in such a way that one will see cardinals opposing cardinals, bishops against bishops.... the Father will inflict a terrible punishment ..Fire will fall from the sky and will wipe out a great part of humanity" (Akita)
@JPI280978 First St. Paul, now the Magdalene. You are deluded comparing those charlatans to these great Saints. One of them has already died without seeing the fulfillment of the "prophecies". Padre Pio and Pope Paul VI died without seeing the "miracle" even if Conchita said they would in this life. FALSE PROPHETS! Oh please! You're the one whose sick.
@drupes One of the greatest saints & a privilidged soul, granted many locutions of Mary & Jesus, was the biind stigmatic: Marie-Julie Jahenney of Bretonny.
She foretold the rise of Opus Dei as "The Monster", which would give birth to the Antichrist from within the Church, placing him on the throne of Peter. Of the internal subversion of what little light was still left in the Church by the Masonic sect: Opus Dei. For some 70 years she prophecied.
@JPI280978 There you go again, saying somebody did this or say that but refusing to give proof. And in case you don't actually have proof at hand you write: "OD went to great lengths to silence her words"... Clever little devil worshiper you are.
@drupes What you know as 'opus dei' is merely the modern physical manifestation of something very ancient - & from hell. It existed long before 1928m in different forms & modalities. One may clearly See the clawed hand of Ecclesiastical Masonry going back many centuries; but always in the background.
It was those who were of its spirit who tried to suppress the messages of LaSalette, Fatima - & the words of Marie-Julie Jahenney.
@JPI280978 "You are in Denial" Oh poor me! If "denial" means looking after facts and verifiable evidence rather than rumors and outright lies, stay in your "reality". NOBODY NEEDS PEOPLE LIKE YOU. Well, satan maybe, he'll love ripping you apart in hell.
@drupes The Sin of Denial = denying, ridiculing, suppressing the Truth of the Holy Spirit, as expressed through Scripture, Prophecy, Mary, & words given to His chosen souls. Said Truth is integrally Coherent.
You also are obviously not of the Gospel, as your words clearly demonstrate hatred.
@JPI280978 "You also are obviously not of the Gospel, as your words clearly demonstrate hatred. " Look whose TALKING. To spread lies about someone, to accuse without having a shred of proof, to make conclusions without without aid of fact, to claim your mere opinions as truth and call those who want to correct you names...THAT'S HATRED. Hatred of truth, hatred of your fellow man, and ultimately hatred of the Fount of Truth and the creator of Man in His own image and likeness. HYPOCRITE!
@drupes If you are quite finished spewing hate.......anyone can read this thread & see that I am of the Catholic Faith, believe in Christ, His Gospel & revere Mary. All which I have spoken is discernible Truth. If you were honestly interested in Truth, you would look on your own to learn.
"hatred of the Fount of Truth and the creator of Man .." By inference, you refer to the Vatican, as that is condemned in the Name of God. It is neither the 'fount of truth', nor the creator.
@JPI280978 "I am of the Catholic Faith" Oh yes, you worship the false god allah and believe mohammad is a prophet, that's bloody good Catholicism all right! And I wasn't referring to the Vatican when I said Fount of Truth and Creator of Man, I was referring to GOD, idiot born of idiots! And it is NOT my problem to look up your accusations, YOU have the duty to provide evidence. Or is it maybe that you DON'T actually have evidence at all? PROVE YOURSELF COWARD!
@JPI280978 These idiots predicted the "Great Warning" of Garabandal would take place on Holy Thursday, April 13, 1995. Hundreds spent $2000.00 on Airplane tickets to go there and witness it. In Garabandal there were between 15,000 and 20,000 people packed on the little mountain against the orders of the bishop. Over one hundred Spanish policeman were needed. What happened? NOTHING. They published an apology after two weeks later. Did they reimburse those who traveled there for nothing? NO.
@JPI280978 That's a matter of public record, stupid. What was that big crowd doing there, watch Ricky Martin gyrate his hips? Oh wait, the Opus Dei did it! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
@drupes You speak the lies of Opus Dei;knowing not the things of God.
As you scoff & denounce, ridicule the chosen souls to whom the Holy Spirit has communicated His Truth, thus you are in DENIAL of the HS.....this is the unpardonable sin.
You have very, very little TIME left to be converted.
@drupes The little seers of Garabandal also realized almost immediately after that what they had done was wrong. They were sorrowful & repented of their sin.
By contrast, Herr Ratz has neither repented nor atoned for his sins. Nor has he been honest about his personal & family Nazi involvement. Most of his life story is fiction...or half-truth, at best.
@JPI280978 Did they confess? NO. The guilt still remains. THEY WERE STILL WORTHY OF HELL AT THE TIME OF THEIR TRUMPED UP APPARITION. THEY FOOLED YOU BUT NOT EVERYONE.
@JPI280978 "Every chosen soul to whom He has given prophecy has been a sinner" I did not say they did not sin, what I am saying is that Bernadette et.al. were in a state of SANCTIFYING GRACE when the apparitions to them happened. SANCTIFYING GRACE (WHICH IS NECESSARY TO ENTER HEAVEN) IS KILLED BY MORTAL SIN, something that those lying bastards of yours in Garabandal did when they committed THEFT! Is that too complicated for you?
@drupes Man does not control God. It is God alone who forgives sin. In imparting Absolution, the priest does NOT do this on his own 'authority',. nor that of the church, but by the power of the Holy Spirit.
God does not allow the sins of s repentant soul to be 'held hostage' by priests. If one cannot find a confessor, God can & will forgive sin 'on direct'. For He judges the heart, not mere externals.
You have no way of knowing the state of ANY soul, much less that of a chosen seer of God.
@JPI280978 "If one cannot find a confessor, God can & will forgive sin 'on direct'. Only when the penitent is in near proximity of death, and with sincere repentance. Those morons were just a few steps away from the Parish Church where they had just attended Mass. Not to go to confession when they had the opportunity to do so and most especially when they knew they were in danger of hellfire is just pure laziness and lack of discretion, You'd never expect THAT from a TRUE VISIONARY.
@drupes You speak the lies of Opus Dei. God does not hold the sins of a repentant man over his head; He forgives them - with or without a priest.
As to mortal sins, perhaps you should be more concerned about the pedo priest proctectors & enables: Prelates & Princes of the church. It is they who try in vain to suppress the words of Mary.....
@JPI280978 "God does not hold the sins of a repentant man over his head; He forgives them - with or without a priest." STUPIDITY PAR EXCELLANCE. "And with that he breathed on them and said, "Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven." John 20:22-23. Lemme guess what you're gonna say: "That verse was invented by the Opus Dei..." HAHAHAHAHA!
@drupes Jesus also said to the Apostles; "that which you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; that which you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven". ..as a warning to them & all Xtians. If you dare to refuse to forgive the sins of your brother they are 'bound' against you in heaven.
To the clergy & hierarchy He said: 'woe to you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites; because you shut the kingdom of heaven against men, for you yourselves do not enter in"
@JPI280978 Wow, where did you get that clear-as-crystal and very comprehensive theology, from Osama Bin Laden and your revered Koran? By the way, the verse I provided was about forgiveness of sins, you mixed it with the one from Matthew 16:19: "I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven." There is nothing there about "forgiving your brother". Bah!
Obviously you have never read the Gospels. If you had, you would be aware of what is referenced above & the integral coherence between these words of Jesus.
You prove that you do not believe in Jesus as you do not believe in His Gospel. Forgiveness of others is necessary. Otherwise your sins are held bound. The same applies to trying to 'bind' the sins of men.
@JPI280978 (cont) If had ever bothered to study Scripture you would know that 'binding & loosing' are Jewish legal terms. Jesus used this reference in His teachings & parables to illustrate a point:
That which you 'bind 'on earth (the sins of others) will be 'bound' AGAINST YOU in Heaven.
When you say the Lord's Prayer you are setting the conditions for the judgment of your soul. "Forgive us our debts AS WE FORGIVE OUR DEBTORS".
@JPI280978 "You are hermeneutically challenged." Your mantra when you have nothing better than your spit for an answer. DEFINE HERMENEUTICS FOR ME THEN!
@JPI280978 "OK...then 'mentally challenged' applies." Ah name calling! I thought your (false) God does not approve of foul language? Guess your true colors are coming out? Karma-karma-karma-CHAMELEON! Hahahahaha! And you still haven't defined Hermeneutics. Is it difficult to do? You use it frequently, I guess you can explain it in a few words :-)
@JPI280978 "I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven." Those words were said to to Peter ALONE. It meant that HE had the AUTHORITY, under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, to legislate laws for the Church, to make decisions on matters of discipline and doctrine, to "feed the sheep and lambs". It was not a "warning" made to all Christians, as you claim.
@drupes The only 'Keys' given to the apostles were the Gospel itself: the teaching of Jesus. They were to teach it by personal example, living in literal poverty. Relying only on the Holy Spirit for their daily bread.
As to the rest of your assertions, they are obviously wrong. Peter was not made a dictator by Christ, nor was he personally given any of what you say. The apostles were to decide by willing consensus - not fiat or majority rule. Invoking the HS on all deliberations.
@JPI280978 "The only 'Keys' given to the apostles were the Gospel itself: the teaching of Jesus. They were to teach it by personal example, living in literal poverty. Relying only on the Holy Spirit for their daily bread." Who taught you THAT LOAD OF CRAP?! Conchita the false prophet? HAHAHA! Does she live in LITERAL poverty? Well I guess having property on three countries and two continents is a fair indication of how people like her and you define poverty, HYPOCRITE!
@drupes The correct identity of the 'Keys' & the command of Jesus that the apostles (& hence their would be successors) to live in literal material poverty is in....the Gospels.
@JPI280978 Ah yes so Conchita, yours and Satan's beloved is exempt, haha! What a joke compared to the shepherd children of Fatima and Bernadette! If I follow your argument then this is also a command FOR ALL CHRISTIANS to be LITERALLY POOR: "Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me." Matthew 19:21. I'll be waiting for her home in New York to be up on sale :-)
@drupes If you had any faith at all, you would know that to love God = complete trust in Him. That He will see that you are fed, clothed, sheltered & all your needs met. He knows what you need even before you ask, as Jesus said.
As to Matt 19:21...to gain all you must forsake all.
@JPI280978 "If you had any faith at all, you would know that to love God = complete trust in Him. " So when will the false prophet and whore Conchita sell her properties?
@drupes If you despise & revile the chosen souls of God, whom He has chosen to prophecy, then you will answer to God. For to rebuke them & their words = rebuke of the Holy Spirit who gave them those words.
You are obviously of Opus Dei, as it is they who seek to deny, suppress & edit the Truth of the HS.
@JPI280978 "If you despise & revile the chosen souls of God, whom He has chosen to prophecy, then you will answer to God. For to rebuke them & their words = rebuke of the Holy Spirit who gave them those words." Well obviously that whore Conchita (she is a whore because she sold her soul and her dignity to the devil for real estate in two continents as well as popularity) is NOT chosen of God because she and her companions have been proven to be FALSE PROPHETS,
@JPI280978 "The words of Mary & St, Michael at Garabandal are manifest before your eyes. And not all of the foretold events have yet taken place." YES YOUR GOSPEL ACCORDING TO THE FOUR THIEVES OF GARABANDAL. ONE OF WHOM IS BURNING IN HELL RIGHT NOW FOR BEING A FALSE PROPHET!
@JPI280978 "The only 'Keys' given to the apostles were the Gospel itself: " Why bother to say "keys" when He could have used "Good News" if he meant the Gospel? Heck the Gospel was ALREADY given to the Apostles by the time of Peter's profession at Caesarea. A few days later Christ would be Crucified. In less than 4 months the Church would be born at Pentecost. You mean He gave them the Gospel just then when he had been preaching with them for three years? Use your head!
@drupes I would suggest you use your own head.....
Jesus taught the Gospel consistently; yet all He said can be found in the Old Testament. Go and read. He said "the Kingdom of Heaven is within you'; also calling it the 'pearl of great price'.....that one must seek it with all your heart. The HS has implanted the Kingdom within men; thus learning & living the Gospel is the spiritual 'Key' to unlock that which is of God within members of the Kingdom.
@JPI280978 "; thus learning & living the Gospel is the spiritual 'Key' to unlock that which is of God within members of the Kingdom. " Wow, great exegesis! "I WILL give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; WHATEVER you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and WHATEVER you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven." The keys have not been given yet, the authority has not been given yet, as the Sacrifice of the Cross and Pentecost had not yet occurred. "Spiritual Keys" MY ASS!
@drupes He who will not LIVE the Gospel is not of the Kingdom - no matter what his title or denomination. The ONLY way to enter the Kingdom is through the Gospel.
Not even the sacraments bypass this. Faith = living the Gospel. Without Faith, all prayers, masses, novenas,pilgrimages are worthless. Ditto for false charity, done for show.
In order for the apostles to preach the Kingdom, they had to learn & live it;
The miracle of the sun is the only time outside of the resurrection that a particular date and time was forecast for a miracle to be performed. Lycia had asked for a miracle to prove that our lady was appearing to them. She asked for this the previous June 13th and Our Lady said in October a miracle will be given for all to see. There was 70,000 people present that day many of them unbelievers and atheists and they saw the sun spinning in the sky and falling to the earth. The miracle was even s
michaelcurtinsnr 1 week ago
@drumcircler He used his talents to glorify his Savior and he purveyed the true teachings of the Catholic Church. He was in a way a type of genius and will someday be Beatified as a Saint. We all need to listen and respond generously to the message of Fatima
purnapoosmom 1 month ago
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This Sheen was a frustrated actor and a shameless liar for a corrupt church. He was more whacked out that Charlie Sheen, and much more dangerous. Fatima is bunk.
drumcircler 1 month ago
@drumcircler
Gosh, I'm sorry that you feel that way. Do you have any sources to ground your claim?
jmjpowerjoule 1 month ago
The Servant of God Archbishop Fulton Sheen, Speaks of great Holy Truth here. If one cannot refute it, then forever shut you mouths!!!
TheVictimaePaschali 1 month ago 3
drupes, JPI280978 does not see reason! You're wasting your time. Just leave him go. God will him/her up sooner or later.
ndw444 2 months ago
@blitzel3 "you have chosen to exile yourself from communion with Peter and therefore the Church'
The last time I checked, neither Peter nor the RCC are God.
Jesus will never abandon those who are in Him, members of the Kingdom of Heaven. His spiritual family. As He said: "he who does the Will of My Father is to me mother, brother, sister, son, daughter...".
The 'church' is built upon Jesus, not Peter. As the foundation of Faith is Christ.
JPI280978 6 months ago
@blitzel3 1) The Vatican has done nothing BUT reject Christ & pervert His Gospel, over 1600+ years.
2) Jesus never used the word 'church', nor any with its meaning - as no such construct existed in the 1st century
3) Jesus promise was to the members of the Kingdom of Heaven; His family, as He defines them in the Gospel. The gates of hell will not conquer those who are of the Gospel
4) The Vatican is not the Kingdom of Heaven
5) The Church has persecuted & tortured the poor
JPI280978 7 months ago
@JPI280978 6) The Church has persecuted, tortured & murdered countless numbers of those who refused to submit to its 'authority' - all in the Name of God
2) Ratzinger has not merely denied Christ, but claimed to be him
3) Ratzinger & the Vatican Administration are GUILTY of rape & torture of children; of enabling & concealing it; of flaunting civil law & the Law of God. Jesus overtly condemns those who scandalize innocent kids
4) The ONLY foundation of the Church is Jesus Christ.
JPI280978 7 months ago
@blitzel3 I have attempted to do that: to offer this very sick soul the Peace of Christ; yet he refuses it.
He also refuses to believe in the Gospel. But that is his choice.....
JPI280978 7 months ago
@JPI280978 "I have attempted to do that: to offer this very sick soul the Peace of Christ; yet he refuses it.
He also refuses to believe in the Gospel. But that is his choice....."
Its also your choice to stay stupid. Live with it then :-)
drupes 6 months ago
"The chair of the Roman Church, in which Peter sat, and in which Anastasius sits today." Augustine, Against the Letters of Petillian, 2:51 (A.D. 402).
“Peter, who is called 'the rock on which the church should be built,' who also obtained 'the keys of the kingdom of heaven...'” Tertullian, On the Prescription Against the Heretics, 22 (c. A.D. 200).
MysticalCity 7 months ago 6
@MysticalCity Regardless of the writings of so-called 'saints', the Truth of the Holy Spirit as found in Scripture is that Jesus Christ alone is the true 'rock' & foundation of the Faith.
Anyone who claims what you quote is simply wrong; OR has had words put into their mouths by those in the Vatican with a self-serving aganda.
JPI280978 7 months ago
@JPI280978 Also, about the Inquisition, the penalties most used by the CATHOLIC Church on witches were penance, excommunication, or imprisonment, but if the witch repented, they were pardoned. But who was responsible for the thousands of killings? Protestants and secular courts.
LilacLily9 7 months ago
@LilacLily9 False: the church + its friendly state collaborators tortured & killed large numbers of ppl who were deemed 'sinners' - or who simply dared to challenged the 'authority' of the Vatican.
This is the demonic Inverse of the Gospel. Jesus draws men to Him gently; forcing nobody to do anything. Forced 'repentance' is not repentance; it is PERSECUTION. Fact: the two groups of ppl whom God invited to see the infant Jesus were nonbelievers & occultists. Showing whom He really loves.
JPI280978 7 months ago
@LilacLily9 Jesus responds:
"I shall have MERCY, not sacrifice".
NOBODY have the Church the right to persecute, torture, or imprison anyone! And NOBODY has the right to take a life. Capital punishment is murder. It is the oldest Commandment, dating from the time of Cain - who, though a murderer, was NOT to be killed by the very command of God. This is MERCY.
Jesus speaks again: "Do not return evil for evil".
You are of the same spirit which Jesus condemned.
JPI280978 7 months ago
@LilacLily9 Kindly prove to the audience that Jesus Christ in ANY way endorsed imprisoning or torturing anyone.
I'll wait......*plays Jeopardy theme*.....
Answer: NO! Jesus does not approve of such luciferian madness. He taught to pray for others & do good to them.Not to persecute them.
You are not of the Gospel.
JPI280978 6 months ago
Mark 13:31 - heaven and earth will pass away, but Jesus' Word will not pass away. But Jesus never says anything about His Word being entirely committed to a book. Also, it took 400 years to compile the Bible, and another 1,000 years to invent the printing press. How was the Word of God communicated? Orally, by the bishops of the Church, with the guidance and protection of the Holy Spirit.
MysticalCity 7 months ago 2
@MysticalCity The first written versions of Gospels were made within a few years of Jesus' ascension. The Gospel of Thomas was written in Syriac in the late 30s. It was the 1st Gospel known to have left Judea; brought to Egypt by the apostle Mark. Note: Mark did NOT bring the 'Gospel of Mark'. Thus Thomas founded the Coptic church.
There were many written Gospels, widely distributed in the 1st century. Clue: literacy was not uncommon them.....
JPI280978 7 months ago
@JPI280978 My Point was that The Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church put the Bible together, as you know there were many books that didn't make it in, and St.Peter was the first pope, and died in Rome. Also another point i was trying to make was that the Bible took 400 years to make and another 1000 for the printing press, hence the saints back then all HEARD the gospels in Church, and thats how they became saints, you coudn't go to barnes and nobles and buy one.
MysticalCity 7 months ago
@MysticalCity 1) If the monastics were not so busy studying the occult, the printing press could have been perfected centuries earlier....
2) Literacy was common in the 1st century; ppl READ scripture in the synagogues.
3) Several Gospels were in written form within 10 years of Jesus' ascencion. Which of those words if confusing to you?
4) The Holy Spirit wrote Scripture; not the Vatican.
5) the Vatican suppressed many legitimate texts & "edited' the rest.
JPI280978 7 months ago
@JPI280978 the Vatican suppressed? your spending too much time watching youtube videos about conspiracies and what not, instead you should be saying how martin luther removed the book of Maccabees because he didn't know how to argue purgatory, The Bishops of The Catholic Church chose the books which were from God, and then Pope Damasus commissioned St.Jerome to translate it to Latin, which came to be known as the Latin Vulgate, edited texts? you mean the corrupt king james, and the niv?
MysticalCity 7 months ago
@MysticalCity In compiling what we now call 'the bible' in the wake of the Council of Nicea, many well known & valid texts from both Testaments were suppressed. These included many legitimate Gospels & books of the Prophets. The Gospel of Thomas & Book of Enoch are well known examples. Many other books were carefully 'edited' as to not conflict with the hegemony of the new Vatican.
The Vatican eliminated books which contained the Truth of the Holy Spirit.
JPI280978 7 months ago
@JPI280978 thank you for showing me your ignorance, if you read the book of enoch you would know why it was removed along with thomas, you don't think satan was corrupting texts back in the day? also the 73 books were chosen by The Catholic Church under the guidance of The Holy Spirit, DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE GOD WOULD ALLOW HIS CHURCH TO REMOVE BOOKS THAT WERE IMPORTANT!?also The Council of Nicea was for the arian heresy. Please don't talk about things you are ignorant about.
MysticalCity 7 months ago
@MysticalCity God allowed true Scripture to be suppressed in the same way He allows satan to exist....& the Inquisitions...the murder of Joan d' Arc by Vatican authorities.
Nicea was the selling of Christ's church to Mammon; making it a state religion.
The Gospel of Thomas, written in Syriac in the late 30sAD, was brought to Egypt by the apostle Mark; thus founding the Coptic church, the oldest Christian church. It is coherent with the Canonical Gospels.
JPI280978 7 months ago
@JPI280978 coptics are heretics buddy, along with the other 50,000 denominations, and since when did God changed marks name? St.Peter was the first pope started the Church when Jesus ascended. He died in Rome,Crucified upside down, anyway The council of Nicea was to combat the arian heresy, its clear you are ignorant, and St.Joan of Arc died in France WHERE DO YOU GET YOUR INFO FROM WIKIPEDIA!?
thats why she said she appeals to Rome!
MysticalCity 7 months ago
@MysticalCity The Copts are the oldest extant branch of Xtianity. Calling them names changes nothing. All that matters is that they believe in Jesus, strive to live His teaching, venerate Mary & emulate her example.
There was no such thing as a 'pope' until after Nicea. There is no valid contemporary historical evidence to support the legend of Peter's manner of death.
Joan d' Arc was tortured & murdered by Vatican Administrators.
JPI280978 7 months ago
@JPI280978 you clearly graduated from youtube university, has there ever been a saint who was not Catholic?! if it wasn't for the Catholic Church you wouldn't have a Bible! Pope Damasus ordered St.Jerome to translate(because he was the smartest man back then to be able to do it) you want proof St.Peter died in Rome?
"[W]hich Peter and Paul preached at Rome..." Lactantius, The Divine Institutes, 4:21 (A.D. 310).
MysticalCity 7 months ago
@MysticalCity As there is NO contemporary evidence of the manner of Peter's death, anything you dredge up is penned centuries later. But I am sure that you comprehend nothing which is not pre-packaged by EWTN...
Jerome was not even working with the Greek urtexts, much less the Aramaic originals....
Clue: 310 AD is NOT 65 AD. That is NOT a comptemporary account. Or do you need me to explain the big words?
JPI280978 7 months ago
@JPI280978 "Peter...at last, having come to Rome, he was crucified head-downwards; for he had requested that he might suffer this way." Origen, Third Commentary on Genesis, (A.D. 232).
"Matthew also issued a written Gospel among the Hebrews in their own dialect, while Peter and Paul were preaching at Rome, and laying the foundations of the Church." Irenaeus, Against Heresies, 3:1:1 (c. A.D. 180).
MysticalCity 7 months ago
@MysticalCity Charming - but neither are contemporary evidence. And the latter says nothing of the manner of Peter's death.
I know senile ppl with fewer cognitive issues......
JPI280978 7 months ago
@JPI280978 "Thus Peter, the first of the Apostles, having been often apprehended, and thrown into prison, and treated with igominy, was last of all crucified at Rome." Peter of Alexandria, The Canonical Epistle, Canon 9 (A.D. 306).
"Peter...coming to the city of Rome, by the mighty cooperation of that power which was lying in wait there..." Eusebius, Ecclesiastical History, II:14,5 (A.D. 325).
MysticalCity 7 months ago
@MysticalCity Which part of - the 4th century is not the 1st - is confusing to you?:
For something to be called 'contemporary evidence' the writer must live contemporary to the person/event; ideally an eyewitness.
Do ti need to write this in pig latin?
JPI280978 7 months ago
@MysticalCity The Copts are one of the oldest Xtian churches, older then the Vatican. They believe in Jesus, His teachings, & revere Mary as Theotokos. They have a very deep spirituality, as exemplified in their Divine Liturgy - which is focussed on the worship of God. Rather then the adulation of the local Bishop.....or Pope.
JPI280978 6 months ago
@JPI280978 The canonical discussions were settled at the Councils of Carthage and Rome, and restated at Florence and Trent. That's when(Council of Trent) the church said The Latin Vulgate(books of the bible which St.Jerome translated to Latin) said it was free from error! and the Douay-Rheims is the english translation of The Latin Vulgate AKA the most accurate Bible, you mean satan advises people to get the kjv(removed 7 books) or the niv(removed 7 books and changed verses)
MysticalCity 7 months ago
@MysticalCity Clue: articles which are unsourced, improperly sourced, or demonstrably false are removed or subject to editing on Wikipedia.
No serious researcher would accept information from only one source anyway.
JPI280978 7 months ago
@MysticalCity I do not care if they used the blessed thistles of St. Frigida........the Vatican has tampered with Scripture.
JPI280978 7 months ago
@JPI280978 Inquisition was responsible less than 500 witch deaths.The other 40-60,000 deaths were in Protestant countries & local secular courts. Persecutions didn't reach epidemic levels until after Reformation, when the CC had lost its position as Europe's indisputable moral authority. Moreover most of the killing was done by secular courts. Church courts tried many witches but they usually imposed non-lethal penalties. It almost invariably pardoned any witch who confessed and repented...
LilacLily9 7 months ago
@LilacLily9 The Vatican was the winner in the 'conversion by torture' game; yet sadly Protestants are also guilty of such un-Christian fanaticism.
Your words reveal that you favor this method of 'evangelization', used by the Church since Nicea, when it went on a trajectory AWAY from the Gospel. Conversion must be by free will - not by pain, threat & blood. Such is NOT of God. The same is true of any GENUINE repentence.
You are of the spirit of the Inquisitors, whom Jesus condemns.
JPI280978 7 months ago
@LilacLily9 Where in the Gospel does Jesus authorize the persecution,imprisonment, torture, forced conversion or killing of non-believers or 'heretics'?
Nowhere.
Those who have done such things serve satan, not God.
JPI280978 6 months ago
@JPI280978 It was the English court that tried Joan of Arc under the auspices of an Inquisition. But it was basically a farce.The English wanted to put to death this French heroine who had defeated them. The death of Joan of Arc was a rigged bogus "Inquisition" set up by the English to kill the French heroine that defeated them. It was not about heresy. In fact, the French Church empowered her to lead the French troops as a religious visionary against the English.
LilacLily9 7 months ago
@LilacLily9 You speak the lies of historical revisionism of Opus Dei.
Joan d'Arc would never have been subjected to capture , capture, torture & execution were it not for the Vatican Administration - as the state has always done it bidding. The Church tortured & murdered a prophet sent by God to them.....just as Jesus foretold they would in Matthew 23
JPI280978 7 months ago
@MysticalCity "...The Bishops of The Catholic Church chose the books which were from God..."
These would then be the same fewer then 270 bishops who sold Christ's church to Mammon at Nicea? In exchange for money, power, land, social standing, priviledge & the back up of the state? And then forged the Donation of Constantine, falsely claiming that he had willed his empire to the Vatican?
yup......
JPI280978 7 months ago
@JPI280978 like i said before you have a masters degree from youtube university, please know your facts, matter fact lets go back a bit, Matthew 16:18 And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. See that? God changed Peters name right there, anytime God changes someones name in scripture it symbolizes leadership, example Abram to Abraham(Father of nations) Jacob to Israel(Ruling with God)
MysticalCity 7 months ago
@JPI280978 continued- Mark 3:16; John 1:42 – Jesus renames Simon "Kepha" in Aramaic which literally means "rock." This was an extraordinary thing for Jesus to do, because "rock" was not even a name in Jesus' time. Jesus did this, not to give Simon a strange name, but to identify his new status among the apostles. When God changes a person's name, He changes their status.
MysticalCity 7 months ago 2
@MysticalCity In reality...Jesus chose Peter as the leader of the Apostles; as a leader among equals. The only 'rock' is Jesus Himself, as explained elsewhere in Scripture.
When you try to "prove' something by a single, uncorroborated verse to support the hegemony of the Imperial Papacy, you are on thin ice.
Jesus never used the word 'church' or any word with that meaning, as neither the word nor construct existed in the 1st century.
JPI280978 7 months ago
@JPI280978 your wrong, Peter is A Rock, Jesus is The Rock, or cornerstone, Jesus built The Catholic Church upon Peter, “And Peter, on whom the Church of Christ is built, against which the gates of hell shall not prevail...” Origen, Commentary on John, 5:3 (A.D. 232).
John 21:15 - Jesus asks Peter if he loves Jesus "more than these," referring to the other apostles. Jesus singles Peter out as the leader of the apostolic college.
MysticalCity 7 months ago
@MysticalCity It does not matter who claims that Peter is the 'rock upon which the church is built', nor how many times you repeat it: you are still wrong.
Jesus is the only 'rock' upon which the 'church' is built. The gates of hell shall not prevail against those who are members of the Kingdom of Heaven; the spiritual family of ALL who believe in Jesus & strive to live the Gospel.
You are hermeneutically challenged.
JPI280978 7 months ago
@MysticalCity Peter was chose by Jesus as the leader or 'head' of the apostles, hence the term which you are intentionally twisting., as the Vatican has done for centuries.
Vicar of Christ? Anyone can 'represent' Jesus IF he does the things which He taught. If he does otherwise, then he is NOT a 'vicar'. And he is not if he teaches, writes, speaks, enables or approve of (literally or tacitly) that which is contrary to the Gospel. And NOT if he is DEAF to the Holy Spirit, as most popes.
JPI280978 7 months ago
@MysticalCity Jesus never uttered the word 'church', nor one with that meaning.....as there was no such word or meaning in the 1st century.
...and He did NOT utter 'ekklesia' as He did not speak in Greek. That word had NO religious context in the 1st century. What He actually said was:
'those set apart...chosen...called out....and outcalling'. In other words, the mystical, spiritual family of those whom He chose to follow Him for all successive centuries. He chooses you.
JPI280978 7 months ago
@JPI280978 "Jesus never uttered the word 'church'" You are really stupid aren't you?: "Upon this rock I will build my Church." Matthew 6;18. You call the Lord a liar? Oh wait, lemme guess: "That's was invented by the Opus Dei" LMAO!
drupes 7 months ago
@drupes Neither the word 'church' nor one with that meaning existed in the 1st cent. As it is a Germanic/Nordic word, languages which would not exist in Europe in a recognizable form for another 1000 years.
Ekklesia is a Greek legal term with no religious meaning. And Jesus did not speak Greek. The rough Aramaic equivalent meant: " those called out, set apart, an outcalling, the elect". Thus the family of those whom Jesus calls to follow Him.
He chooses you....
JPI280978 7 months ago
@JPI280978 also about Nicea it was to combat the arian heresy, which from your understanding your IQ is just north of a bedroom slipper, so let me break it down, there was a corrupt bishop in the Catholic Church saying that Jesus is not God, it lasted for 400 years, then finally died. The council of Nicea had 0% with what your talking about, also who do you think took care of the poor,sick, hungry etc.. The Monasteries from the Catholic Churches, read from reliable sources not anti-Catholics.
MysticalCity 7 months ago 2
@MysticalCity The poor were taxed by the church - especially those who live on or adjacent to church lands. The Vatican enslaved all of Europe for 1000 years in virtual 'totalitarian communism', better known as the Feudal State. The poor owned neither his body, wife, kids, land, nor even the work of his hands. All was property of his lord...and overlord; to the penultimate overlord: the pope.
At Nicea the Church went on a demonic trajectory away from the Gospel.
JPI280978 7 months ago
@MysticalCity Explain why the word 'church' is found in the books of the Old Testament in Catholic editions of the Bible.
The audience awaits, eating their popcorn.....
'Church' is a Germanic word. Neither that word nor the modern languages even existed in Europe until almost 1000 years after Christ.
Conclusion: the Vatican hath tampered with Scripture.
JPI280978 6 months ago
@JPI280978 because it was translated from The Latin Vulgate, which was translated from the hebrew and greek texts, Saint Jerome translated it to Latin, who was the most smartest man back then, which is why the Pope Damasus chose St.Jerome to translate it! and The Douay-Rheims version of the Bible is translated word for word from the Latin Vulgate, who authorized your bible? a bisexual sodomite politician king? james?
MysticalCity 6 months ago
@MysticalCity Do you actually read what you write? Or are you cognitively impaired?
"Church" is of Germanic origin. Neither the word, the construct it describes, nor the meaning or the Germanic languages existed in Europe until c. 1000 years after Christ.
The Vulgate was written long prior to that. It did not contain the word 'church'. And Jesus never spoke Greek, nor did He say the word 'Ekklesia'.
Which of those big words is confusing to you?
JPI280978 6 months ago
@MysticalCity "Saint Jerome ...was the most smartest man back then"
Exactly HOW do you know this? Were you there? Is there a definitive list, citing all of the IQ data for all the men in the world in the 4th century?
Jerome was chosen as he was a 'man of confidence' who would craft the Bible as the pope & vatican officials wanted it to be. He was not even working with the Greek urtexts.....
JPI280978 6 months ago
@JPI280978 yes he was, or else God would not have had him translate the books of the Bible to Latin,
Plus the Catholic Church said at the Council of Trent that the Latin Vulgate was the official Bible of the Catholic Church, and said it is without error. by the way you can argue all day, history is history, please spray yourself with that troll spray.
MysticalCity 6 months ago
@MysticalCity Just because 'x' was pronounced at some church council does not mean that it is correct- or that God approves....
The original Greek texts were lost long before Jerome did his 'translations'.
Clue: God did not tell Jerome to do anything.
JPI280978 6 months ago
@JPI280978 "the original greek texts were lost long before, blah blah blah"
ignorant comment at its finest., St.Jerome had the most accurate translations anyone can get there hands on,and he translated it to Latin, what happens when you get corrupt texts? you get the king james version and any version thats not Douay-Rheims.
MysticalCity 6 months ago
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@MysticalCity What I stated is both historic & spiritual Truth.
It would seem that you are allergic to both.....
JPI280978 6 months ago
@MysticalCity "My Point was that The Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church put the Bible together, as you know there were many books that didn't make it in"
Prove to the audience that Jesus authorized ANYONE to 'edit' or suppress His words, which are the Truth of the Holy Spirit.
*plays Jeopardy theme*
NO! He did not. God wrote Scripture via chosen souls whom He inspired. Scripture is NOT the work of the Vatican. Coherence is the ONLY judge of scriptural authenticity.
JPI280978 6 months ago
@JPI280978 The Catholic Church, chose the books, and Saint Jerome translated it to Latin,
MysticalCity 6 months ago
@MysticalCity ...and they shall be called to account for this, when said guilty parties face Jesus alone to be judged.
He gave to NOBODY the 'right' to edit, rewrite, much less suppress ANY of the Truth of the Holy Spirit. As many of the suppressed texts are quite Coherent with the canonical texts, there was no reason to suppress them.
...except that some of them contained words which demolished the self-assumed power & dominion of the Vatican.
JPI280978 6 months ago
This man was a well-spoken demagogue and propagandist, who mythologized history for the benefit of a reactionary papacy dancing to the tune of international capitalism.
MySaintgeorge 8 months ago 6
@MySaintgeorge Blah blah blah! No proof, all SPIT!
drupes 8 months ago
@drupes Mr Sheen was not what he appeared to be. What you see here is a well honed stage persona. He was a great Method Actor, who 'became' this character for the camera. But his personal reality was far different & very dark.
He was involved in the cover-up of clerical sex abuse of minors in NYC, including one case he personally witnessed, 'caught in the act', in his own office.
Saints do not enable & conceal child abuse.
JPI280978 7 months ago
@JPI280978 Again, all spit, NO PROOF! Until you do, you are considered a LIAR and a FALSE WITNESS. Disgusting Idiot!
drupes 7 months ago
@drupes The sex abuse which Sheen covered up is the matter of sworn testimony in court documents by victims.
His private apartment in Manhattan was in an exclusive luxury building. Ppl from the Diocese of Rochester can readily affirm that he brought his private chef with him from NYC.
As to his 'persona' use your eyes & mind; with the guidance of the Holy Spirit.....
JPI280978 7 months ago
@JPI280978 WHO ARE THOSE "VICTIMS"? IN WHAT COURT AND CASE DID THEY SWEAR TO? WHEN? AGAIN, FURNISH FULL AND PROPER PROOF SO THAT OTHERS MAY TEST YOUR ACCUSATIONS. YOU SOUND LIKE A JACK CHICK COMIC, JACKASS!
drupes 7 months ago
@drupes Your words clearly indicate that you are not of Christ.....rather, that you are of a 'different spirit'.
The postulator(s) of Sheen's cause are well aware of these matters & the solid evidence; yet have chosen to ignore it. Just as they did with all negative testimony against Escriva. This is the mode of Opus Dei: "the end justifies the means'.
The antics of the Vatican Administration & their cheering section only serves to give fuel to such as Chick, et. al.
JPI280978 7 months ago
@JPI280978 Like I said, EVIDENCE, EVIDENCE, EVIDENCE! You accuse, you GIVE PROOF. Why point to Bp. Sheen's postulators? You were the one who said he is not holy, then show us why. You tell us St. Josemaria is not holy, show us why. You say the Opus Dei is not holy, show us how. So simple logic even a child could follow, why cant you? You claim solid evidence, WHERE? I ask for evidence for your claims, which is JUST under human and Divine law and logic, and you tell me I'm not of Christ?
drupes 7 months ago
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@drupes The issue(s) have already been explained.
You are in Denial.
JPI280978 7 months ago
@drupes The 'pious' postulator is himself guilty of concealing incidents of sex abuse of those under his jurisdiction. Ergo.......
JPI280978 7 months ago
@JPI280978 Like I said, WHERE'S YOUR EVIDENCE? I cannot take the word of a lunatic like you at face value, with so many conflicting statements. Cite your evidence or shut up. You cannot even name this "postulator". You are like your "visionaries", making up false stories.
drupes 7 months ago
@drupes The postulator is actually involved in several sainthood causes & his face is well known. The evidence was presented to the Sheen cause...who 'piously' ignored it. Sheen's sainthood is a 'done deal', just like Escriva's. Just as in the case of the latter, all negative evidence/testimony will either be ignored or played down.
Heaven has a much different opinion of certain...'saints'.
JPI280978 7 months ago
@JPI280978 "The church of God which sojourns at Rome to the church of God which sojourns at Corinth ... But if any disobey the words spoken by him through us, let them know that they will involve themselves in transgression and in no small danger." Clement of Rome, Pope, 1st Epistle to the Corinthians, 1,59:1 (c. A.D. 96).
MysticalCity 7 months ago 2
@MysticalCity Neither the title of 'pope' nor the word itself were known until AFTER Nicea.
JPI280978 7 months ago
@JPI280978 also Immaculate Conception,Holy Trinity,Ascension,Incarnation purgatory etc.........
Timothy 3:15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.
MysticalCity 7 months ago
@MysticalCity You fans of Opus Dei all seem to read from the same script.....
Coherence is the spiritual basis for comprehending scripture. Mundanely, this requires the reading of things in context. When one does so with this passage, one Sees clearly that the 'pillar & ground of the Truth' is God.
...not a human organization.
JPI280978 7 months ago
@JPI280978 Yada, yada, yada. Here you go again a-blaming the Opus Dei...and whats with the "coherence" thing? You're not very coherent yourself!
drupes 7 months ago
@drupes One cannot speak of the Vatican without referring to Opus Dei, as the former owns & completely controls the latter - & every diocese on earth. One cannot become a bishop unless one is at least 'friendly' to OD & its personnel/agendas. As they have long controlled the Vatican Bank(s), they can make bishops 'dance' at will, by controlling the funds they need.
JPI280978 7 months ago
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@JPI280978 "One cannot speak of the Vatican without referring to Opus Dei, as the former owns & completely controls the latter" Talk to the hand JACKASS. More unfounded allegations. Try a new career: FICTION WRITING
drupes 7 months ago
@JPI280978 "You cannot deny that you know that in the city of Rome the Chair was first conferred on Peter, in which the prince of all the Apostles, Peter, sat…in which Chair unity should be preserved by all, so that he should now be a schismatic and a sinner who should set up another Chair against that unique one." Optatus of Mileve, The Schism of Donatists, 2:2-3 (c. A.D. 367).
MysticalCity 7 months ago 2
@MysticalCity The only 'keys' given by Christ to the apostles was the Gospel itself. As it is the comprehension & striving ot LIVE Jesus' teaching which unlocks the Kingdom of Heaven, which He taught "is within you'. It is not a building nor a man made & run entity.It is the spiritual family of all who follow Christ's teaching.
Jesus also ordered the Apostles & their successors to live in literal material poverty, relying ONLY on the HS for their sustenance. The Vatican has no Faith.
JPI280978 7 months ago
@JPI280978 "I am held in the communion of the Catholic Church by...and by the succession of bishops from the very seat of Peter, to whom the Lord, after His resurrection commended His sheep to be fed up to the present episcopate." Augustine, Against the Letter of Mani, 5 (A.D. 395).
MysticalCity 7 months ago 2
@MysticalCity Mr. Augustine had his spiritual...'issues'....
Anytime we see the use of the term 'Catholic Church' prior to the Reformation, there are only two valid conclusions:
a) 'catholic' = universal, as distinct from the many local/regional churches
b) It may be the result of more modern 'editing' if not outright forgery.
Prior to the Eastern schism(s) & Reformation, there was only one 'Christianity'.
JPI280978 7 months ago
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@JPI280978 "The postulator is actually involved in several sainthood causes & his face is well known." If he is so freaking popular then is it so much TO NAME HIM? And since you know about this "case" that he ignored, IS IT SO MUCH TO CITE YOUR SOURCE? Don't you realize your statements have as much credibility and certainty as a blind item on a showbiz talk show? BE A MAN! NAME NAMES!
drupes 7 months ago
@drupes In your twisted purvey, the victims should be exposed, humiliated, interrogated & put before a kangaroo court.
...whilst the offending cleric(s) should live in delicacies, as they are sinless.
God is not mocked.
JPI280978 7 months ago
@JPI280978 "In your twisted purvey, the victims should be exposed, humiliated, interrogated & put before a kangaroo court." Where on earth did you pick that up? STOP MAKING UP WORDS.
drupes 7 months ago
@drupes Spiritual Coherence is the most essential element in comprehending Scripture & Prophecy. It is also given by the Holy Spirit. Such Coherence must also apply to Ecclesial matters:
It is both illogical & INcoherent to assert that the Holy Spirit would guide the selection of a man as pope....who is an unrepentent former Nazi & HitlerJugend soldier...as God's sole mouthpiece on earth.
JPI280978 7 months ago
@JPI280978 If I were to take your argument EVERY German who lived under Hitler would be incompetent for anything. If you are aware of history Nazism attempted to permeate every aspect of life in Germany at that time, all directed towards the personality cult of Hitler. Youth were enrolled in the Nazi Youth Movement (including the present pope) which was obviously NOT voluntary. Your generalization is bordering on racism.
drupes 7 months ago
@drupes As I am German & have friends & family who fled the Nazi regime I know whereof I speak. Your allegation of racism is both sick & laughable.
Mr. Ratz voluntarily joined the HJ as per his own words in his autobiography.
Naziism sprang from the centuries old & grossly wrong catechetizing of Catholics (& many Protestants). Of course, had the Vatican been obedient to God - reforming itself & in a mode of repentance - Naziism, WWII & the Shoah would never have happened.....
JPI280978 7 months ago
@JPI280978 "By December 1936, HJ membership stood at just over five million. That same month, HJ membership became mandatory for Aryans, under the Gesetz über die Hitlerjugend law. This legal obligation was re-affirmed in 1939 with the Jugenddienstpflicht and HJ membership was required even when it was opposed by the member's parents. " You were saying?
drupes 7 months ago
@drupes He signed up voluntarily, as per his words. No later then April of 1937, at age 10. Though he could have willingly joined as young as age 6.
JPI280978 7 months ago
@JPI280978 Ten? You blame a TEN year-old for having "joined" a political entity whose full character he could not have possibly understood? One of his cousins was 'euthanized", MURDERED by the Nazis because he had down syndrome and was an "undesirable". You think he'd be in sympathy with the Nazis after that?
drupes 7 months ago
@drupes The church & clinical experts on childhood consider the age of 6-7 to be the 'age of reason': at which the child comprehends right from wrong. At that point a child is culpable for sin.
It is amusing that the info on the 'cousin' magically surfaced after many started questioning Ratz's Nazi past, for which he has NEVER repented nor atoned. It is a diversion from the Truth.
JPI280978 7 months ago
@JPI280978 By your own admission then the "visionaries" of Garabandal really knew what they were doing when they stole from their neighbor. They were 12-14 at that time.
drupes 7 months ago
@drupes You are hermeneutically challenged.
NO soul is without sin. Every 'saint' has sinned. Even those who are just & in a close relationship with God are tempted & fall every day, even if it is only in little things. As long as one is on earth, that is the way it is.
Peter - an Apostle & chosen as their leader - denied Christ. Consistently did not grasp His teaching. Paul had the blood of many Xtians on his hands; yet Jesus chose him.
Because God knows the soul. YOU do not.
JPI280978 7 months ago
@JPI280978 The question here is NOT if everybody has sin, but rather are they WORTHY of a heavenly favor, like an APPARITION. Look at Bernadette, Lucia, Francisco and Jacinta, even Melanie and Maximin. Were they reported to have STOLEN before the Virgin appeared to them? NO. They didn't go to Mass, receive Communion and then committed THEFT right after. And then poof! an ARCHANGEL and the MOTHER OF GOD appears to them! DISGUSTING STUPIDITY!
drupes 7 months ago
@drupes Bernadatte, the Fatima seers & those of LaSalette were all sinners....as have been every real saint.
You do not really care about apples; you merely use this as an excuse to dismiss prophecy which condemns the object of your 'faith': the Vatican Administrators.
If you had any faith, you would not write this tirade.
JPI280978 7 months ago
@drupes NOBODY is 'worthy' of a heavenly favor. When God chooses a soul to receive special knowldge or to see what nobody else can, the choice is NOT based on the person's merit. But on God's Will. He chooses a person as He knows that this particular soul will respond correctly to Him, in love & loyalty.
None of those you mentioned were 'worthy'. They God's choice for God's reasons.
JPI280978 7 months ago
@drupes As you are so truly spiritually sick due to Fanaticism, you would have been holding a rock with glee in your eye, ready to smash the skull of the sorrowful & repentant Mary Magdalene - along with the other 'pious ones'.....
...until Jesus bent down to write your sins in the dirt for all to see.
There is very little Time left for you to be converted to Jesus & His Gospel. I suggest you use it wisely.
JPI280978 7 months ago
@JPI280978 "you would have been holding a rock with glee in your eye, ready to smash the skull of the sorrowful & repentant Mary Magdalene" Saint Mary when she realized her guilt repented ON THE SPOT AND IMMEDIATELY asked forgiveness directly from Our Lord (because He was there physically). Your IDOLS the frauds of Garabandal were too lazy to go running to confession even if the Church was only a few steps away.
drupes 7 months ago
@drupes If you had any real knowledge of Garabandal, you would know that the children were immediately repentant.
There is no comparison between swiping some apples & willingly joining the HJ. Even if one joined UNwillingly or for compliance, parental approval.....the immorality is so vast & disgusting. As HJ kids were trained in occult ideology & racism. Trained in the things of hell.
JPI280978 7 months ago
@JPI280978 Swiping apples? We can let that go, but issuing false prophecies, now that's really from God, isn't it?
drupes 7 months ago
@drupes "Before, the cup was filling up. Now it is flowing over. Many cardinals, many bishops and many priests are on the road to perdition and are taking many souls with them." (Garabandal)
""The work of the devil will infiltrate the Church in such a way that one will see cardinals opposing cardinals, bishops against bishops.... the Father will inflict a terrible punishment ..Fire will fall from the sky and will wipe out a great part of humanity" (Akita)
Due to the sins of the Vatican.
JPI280978 7 months ago
@JPI280978 First St. Paul, now the Magdalene. You are deluded comparing those charlatans to these great Saints. One of them has already died without seeing the fulfillment of the "prophecies". Padre Pio and Pope Paul VI died without seeing the "miracle" even if Conchita said they would in this life. FALSE PROPHETS! Oh please! You're the one whose sick.
drupes 7 months ago
@drupes One of the greatest saints & a privilidged soul, granted many locutions of Mary & Jesus, was the biind stigmatic: Marie-Julie Jahenney of Bretonny.
She foretold the rise of Opus Dei as "The Monster", which would give birth to the Antichrist from within the Church, placing him on the throne of Peter. Of the internal subversion of what little light was still left in the Church by the Masonic sect: Opus Dei. For some 70 years she prophecied.
OD went to great lengths to silence her words
JPI280978 7 months ago
@JPI280978 There you go again, saying somebody did this or say that but refusing to give proof. And in case you don't actually have proof at hand you write: "OD went to great lengths to silence her words"... Clever little devil worshiper you are.
drupes 7 months ago
@drupes What you know as 'opus dei' is merely the modern physical manifestation of something very ancient - & from hell. It existed long before 1928m in different forms & modalities. One may clearly See the clawed hand of Ecclesiastical Masonry going back many centuries; but always in the background.
It was those who were of its spirit who tried to suppress the messages of LaSalette, Fatima - & the words of Marie-Julie Jahenney.
JPI280978 7 months ago
@JPI280978 "What you know as 'opus dei' is merely the modern physical manifestation of something very ancient - & from hell. It existed long before 1928m in different forms & modalities." Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah (audience yawning) blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
drupes 7 months ago
@drupes You are in Denial......which is the sin against the Holy Spirit, denying His Truth & those who speak it.
JPI280978 7 months ago
@JPI280978 "You are in Denial" Oh poor me! If "denial" means looking after facts and verifiable evidence rather than rumors and outright lies, stay in your "reality". NOBODY NEEDS PEOPLE LIKE YOU. Well, satan maybe, he'll love ripping you apart in hell.
drupes 7 months ago
@drupes The Sin of Denial = denying, ridiculing, suppressing the Truth of the Holy Spirit, as expressed through Scripture, Prophecy, Mary, & words given to His chosen souls. Said Truth is integrally Coherent.
You also are obviously not of the Gospel, as your words clearly demonstrate hatred.
JPI280978 7 months ago
@JPI280978 "You also are obviously not of the Gospel, as your words clearly demonstrate hatred. " Look whose TALKING. To spread lies about someone, to accuse without having a shred of proof, to make conclusions without without aid of fact, to claim your mere opinions as truth and call those who want to correct you names...THAT'S HATRED. Hatred of truth, hatred of your fellow man, and ultimately hatred of the Fount of Truth and the creator of Man in His own image and likeness. HYPOCRITE!
drupes 7 months ago
@drupes If you are quite finished spewing hate.......anyone can read this thread & see that I am of the Catholic Faith, believe in Christ, His Gospel & revere Mary. All which I have spoken is discernible Truth. If you were honestly interested in Truth, you would look on your own to learn.
"hatred of the Fount of Truth and the creator of Man .." By inference, you refer to the Vatican, as that is condemned in the Name of God. It is neither the 'fount of truth', nor the creator.
JPI280978 7 months ago
@JPI280978 "I am of the Catholic Faith" Oh yes, you worship the false god allah and believe mohammad is a prophet, that's bloody good Catholicism all right! And I wasn't referring to the Vatican when I said Fount of Truth and Creator of Man, I was referring to GOD, idiot born of idiots! And it is NOT my problem to look up your accusations, YOU have the duty to provide evidence. Or is it maybe that you DON'T actually have evidence at all? PROVE YOURSELF COWARD!
drupes 7 months ago
@JPI280978 These idiots predicted the "Great Warning" of Garabandal would take place on Holy Thursday, April 13, 1995. Hundreds spent $2000.00 on Airplane tickets to go there and witness it. In Garabandal there were between 15,000 and 20,000 people packed on the little mountain against the orders of the bishop. Over one hundred Spanish policeman were needed. What happened? NOTHING. They published an apology after two weeks later. Did they reimburse those who traveled there for nothing? NO.
drupes 7 months ago
@drupes No such date was ever given; you are presenting an obvious lie.
JPI280978 7 months ago
@JPI280978 That's a matter of public record, stupid. What was that big crowd doing there, watch Ricky Martin gyrate his hips? Oh wait, the Opus Dei did it! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
drupes 7 months ago
@drupes You speak the lies of Opus Dei;knowing not the things of God.
As you scoff & denounce, ridicule the chosen souls to whom the Holy Spirit has communicated His Truth, thus you are in DENIAL of the HS.....this is the unpardonable sin.
You have very, very little TIME left to be converted.
He who follows Ratzinger shall go to perdition.
JPI280978 7 months ago
@JPI280978 "You have very, very little TIME left to be converted." And you need a lot of time to grow intelligence and common sense.
drupes 7 months ago
@drupes The little seers of Garabandal also realized almost immediately after that what they had done was wrong. They were sorrowful & repented of their sin.
By contrast, Herr Ratz has neither repented nor atoned for his sins. Nor has he been honest about his personal & family Nazi involvement. Most of his life story is fiction...or half-truth, at best.
But as his real father is the Father of Lies.....
JPI280978 7 months ago
@JPI280978 Did they confess? NO. The guilt still remains. THEY WERE STILL WORTHY OF HELL AT THE TIME OF THEIR TRUMPED UP APPARITION. THEY FOOLED YOU BUT NOT EVERYONE.
drupes 7 months ago
@drupes God cannot be deceived. Every chosen soul to whom He has given prophecy has been a sinner; as we are all sinners.
Garabandal is coherent with Scripture & the words of the Holy Spirit spoken by Mary at LaSalette, Fatima, Rosa Mystica & Akita; & with other prophets.
You reject it as you have no Faith; & it conflicts with your conditioning. Your reaction is one of overt Cognitive Dissonance....and Spiritual.
JPI280978 7 months ago
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@JPI280978 "Every chosen soul to whom He has given prophecy has been a sinner" I did not say they did not sin, what I am saying is that Bernadette et.al. were in a state of SANCTIFYING GRACE when the apparitions to them happened. SANCTIFYING GRACE (WHICH IS NECESSARY TO ENTER HEAVEN) IS KILLED BY MORTAL SIN, something that those lying bastards of yours in Garabandal did when they committed THEFT! Is that too complicated for you?
drupes 7 months ago 2
@drupes Man does not control God. It is God alone who forgives sin. In imparting Absolution, the priest does NOT do this on his own 'authority',. nor that of the church, but by the power of the Holy Spirit.
God does not allow the sins of s repentant soul to be 'held hostage' by priests. If one cannot find a confessor, God can & will forgive sin 'on direct'. For He judges the heart, not mere externals.
You have no way of knowing the state of ANY soul, much less that of a chosen seer of God.
JPI280978 7 months ago
@JPI280978 "If one cannot find a confessor, God can & will forgive sin 'on direct'. Only when the penitent is in near proximity of death, and with sincere repentance. Those morons were just a few steps away from the Parish Church where they had just attended Mass. Not to go to confession when they had the opportunity to do so and most especially when they knew they were in danger of hellfire is just pure laziness and lack of discretion, You'd never expect THAT from a TRUE VISIONARY.
drupes 7 months ago
@drupes You speak the lies of Opus Dei. God does not hold the sins of a repentant man over his head; He forgives them - with or without a priest.
As to mortal sins, perhaps you should be more concerned about the pedo priest proctectors & enables: Prelates & Princes of the church. It is they who try in vain to suppress the words of Mary.....
JPI280978 7 months ago
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@JPI280978 "God does not hold the sins of a repentant man over his head; He forgives them - with or without a priest." STUPIDITY PAR EXCELLANCE. "And with that he breathed on them and said, "Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven." John 20:22-23. Lemme guess what you're gonna say: "That verse was invented by the Opus Dei..." HAHAHAHAHA!
drupes 7 months ago 2
@drupes Jesus also said to the Apostles; "that which you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; that which you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven". ..as a warning to them & all Xtians. If you dare to refuse to forgive the sins of your brother they are 'bound' against you in heaven.
To the clergy & hierarchy He said: 'woe to you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites; because you shut the kingdom of heaven against men, for you yourselves do not enter in"
JPI280978 6 months ago
@JPI280978 Wow, where did you get that clear-as-crystal and very comprehensive theology, from Osama Bin Laden and your revered Koran? By the way, the verse I provided was about forgiveness of sins, you mixed it with the one from Matthew 16:19: "I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven." There is nothing there about "forgiving your brother". Bah!
drupes 6 months ago
@drupes You are hermeneutically challenged.
Obviously you have never read the Gospels. If you had, you would be aware of what is referenced above & the integral coherence between these words of Jesus.
You prove that you do not believe in Jesus as you do not believe in His Gospel. Forgiveness of others is necessary. Otherwise your sins are held bound. The same applies to trying to 'bind' the sins of men.
JPI280978 6 months ago
@JPI280978 (cont) If had ever bothered to study Scripture you would know that 'binding & loosing' are Jewish legal terms. Jesus used this reference in His teachings & parables to illustrate a point:
That which you 'bind 'on earth (the sins of others) will be 'bound' AGAINST YOU in Heaven.
When you say the Lord's Prayer you are setting the conditions for the judgment of your soul. "Forgive us our debts AS WE FORGIVE OUR DEBTORS".
JPI280978 6 months ago
@JPI280978 "You are hermeneutically challenged." Your mantra when you have nothing better than your spit for an answer. DEFINE HERMENEUTICS FOR ME THEN!
drupes 6 months ago
@drupes OK...then 'mentally challenged' applies.
In the real world, as adults, when we see a big word which we do not understand, we look it up in a dictionary - hard copy or online.
Go look it up.
JPI280978 6 months ago
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@JPI280978 "OK...then 'mentally challenged' applies." Ah name calling! I thought your (false) God does not approve of foul language? Guess your true colors are coming out? Karma-karma-karma-CHAMELEON! Hahahahaha! And you still haven't defined Hermeneutics. Is it difficult to do? You use it frequently, I guess you can explain it in a few words :-)
drupes 6 months ago
@JPI280978 "I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven." Those words were said to to Peter ALONE. It meant that HE had the AUTHORITY, under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, to legislate laws for the Church, to make decisions on matters of discipline and doctrine, to "feed the sheep and lambs". It was not a "warning" made to all Christians, as you claim.
drupes 6 months ago
@drupes The only 'Keys' given to the apostles were the Gospel itself: the teaching of Jesus. They were to teach it by personal example, living in literal poverty. Relying only on the Holy Spirit for their daily bread.
As to the rest of your assertions, they are obviously wrong. Peter was not made a dictator by Christ, nor was he personally given any of what you say. The apostles were to decide by willing consensus - not fiat or majority rule. Invoking the HS on all deliberations.
JPI280978 6 months ago
@JPI280978 "The only 'Keys' given to the apostles were the Gospel itself: the teaching of Jesus. They were to teach it by personal example, living in literal poverty. Relying only on the Holy Spirit for their daily bread." Who taught you THAT LOAD OF CRAP?! Conchita the false prophet? HAHAHA! Does she live in LITERAL poverty? Well I guess having property on three countries and two continents is a fair indication of how people like her and you define poverty, HYPOCRITE!
drupes 6 months ago
@drupes The correct identity of the 'Keys' & the command of Jesus that the apostles (& hence their would be successors) to live in literal material poverty is in....the Gospels.
Go read them.
JPI280978 6 months ago
@JPI280978 Ah yes so Conchita, yours and Satan's beloved is exempt, haha! What a joke compared to the shepherd children of Fatima and Bernadette! If I follow your argument then this is also a command FOR ALL CHRISTIANS to be LITERALLY POOR: "Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me." Matthew 19:21. I'll be waiting for her home in New York to be up on sale :-)
drupes 6 months ago
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@drupes If you had any faith at all, you would know that to love God = complete trust in Him. That He will see that you are fed, clothed, sheltered & all your needs met. He knows what you need even before you ask, as Jesus said.
As to Matt 19:21...to gain all you must forsake all.
JPI280978 6 months ago
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@JPI280978 "If you had any faith at all, you would know that to love God = complete trust in Him. " So when will the false prophet and whore Conchita sell her properties?
drupes 6 months ago
@drupes If you despise & revile the chosen souls of God, whom He has chosen to prophecy, then you will answer to God. For to rebuke them & their words = rebuke of the Holy Spirit who gave them those words.
You are obviously of Opus Dei, as it is they who seek to deny, suppress & edit the Truth of the HS.
JPI280978 6 months ago
@JPI280978 "If you despise & revile the chosen souls of God, whom He has chosen to prophecy, then you will answer to God. For to rebuke them & their words = rebuke of the Holy Spirit who gave them those words." Well obviously that whore Conchita (she is a whore because she sold her soul and her dignity to the devil for real estate in two continents as well as popularity) is NOT chosen of God because she and her companions have been proven to be FALSE PROPHETS,
drupes 6 months ago
@drupes The words of Mary & St, Michael at Garabandal are manifest before your eyes. And not all of the foretold events have yet taken place.
But you may think as you please, Mr. Salbato.........
JPI280978 6 months ago
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@JPI280978 "The words of Mary & St, Michael at Garabandal are manifest before your eyes. And not all of the foretold events have yet taken place." YES YOUR GOSPEL ACCORDING TO THE FOUR THIEVES OF GARABANDAL. ONE OF WHOM IS BURNING IN HELL RIGHT NOW FOR BEING A FALSE PROPHET!
drupes 6 months ago
@drupes Yes, Mr. Salbato......
JPI280978 6 months ago
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@drupes "Yes, Mr. Salbato......" THANK YOU SON OF A WHORE.
drupes 6 months ago
@drupes Once again - by your very words - you show that you have no Faith & are not of the Gospel.
JPI280978 6 months ago
@JPI280978 "The only 'Keys' given to the apostles were the Gospel itself: " Why bother to say "keys" when He could have used "Good News" if he meant the Gospel? Heck the Gospel was ALREADY given to the Apostles by the time of Peter's profession at Caesarea. A few days later Christ would be Crucified. In less than 4 months the Church would be born at Pentecost. You mean He gave them the Gospel just then when he had been preaching with them for three years? Use your head!
drupes 6 months ago
@drupes I would suggest you use your own head.....
Jesus taught the Gospel consistently; yet all He said can be found in the Old Testament. Go and read. He said "the Kingdom of Heaven is within you'; also calling it the 'pearl of great price'.....that one must seek it with all your heart. The HS has implanted the Kingdom within men; thus learning & living the Gospel is the spiritual 'Key' to unlock that which is of God within members of the Kingdom.
JPI280978 6 months ago
@JPI280978 "; thus learning & living the Gospel is the spiritual 'Key' to unlock that which is of God within members of the Kingdom. " Wow, great exegesis! "I WILL give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; WHATEVER you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and WHATEVER you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven." The keys have not been given yet, the authority has not been given yet, as the Sacrifice of the Cross and Pentecost had not yet occurred. "Spiritual Keys" MY ASS!
drupes 6 months ago
@drupes He who will not LIVE the Gospel is not of the Kingdom - no matter what his title or denomination. The ONLY way to enter the Kingdom is through the Gospel.
Not even the sacraments bypass this. Faith = living the Gospel. Without Faith, all prayers, masses, novenas,pilgrimages are worthless. Ditto for false charity, done for show.
In order for the apostles to preach the Kingdom, they had to learn & live it;