Where No Man Has Gone Before - Deleted Alternate Beginning

[littlelouiegroovy]

great video..although watching them now is odd when Sulu says" captain..I'm heading for Uranus"

[SaganAppreciationSoc]

Neat. The opening reminds me a tiny bit of The Pale Blue Dot monologue by Carl Sagan.

[flobogirl6]

At 0:26 I was expecting The Twilight Zone intro to begin. lol

[Whitelitr]

Actually this music was used later in the series as incidental music. They didn't throw anything away.

[robertrivasphotos]

no wonder the pilot sucked, it had no catchy theme song!

(Dammit him I'm a doctor not a music director!)

[DickLodge68]

Where no MAN has ever gone before! So chauvinistic! Women should be outraged by this....and weak feeble husbands! They need to change every.....oh what? Oh yes..... Stardate 41183.6 after several generations...here..in SPACE (do the Shatner voice) we ..of different....genders. We come...together. And realize that...equality is our...strength. We...oh Fuck it! Where is that green bitch from Tauron IV?

[luigi19987]

i can,t wait to read the comic version of this episode

[Toobulations]

1:13-1:20 Still the most beautiful starship in sci-fi history!

[sixsixxsixxxx]

i have been told the beginning was different b/c this wasn't star trek series but it was shown as an episode of another weekly nbc show. the beginning we know then went on the first episode of season one including reshot "where no man..."

i don't know name of show...perhaps nbc theatre presents...

[jimbopumbapigsticks]

Thanks for posting! I'm glad they changed the credits and the music, though. As pilots go, I think The Cage was actually much better, but this is still one of my favorite episodes - everything seems so retro but plausibly futuristic at the same time,

[SamStuart07]

Too cheesy!

[eigensinn83]

That's a completely different production design - glad they dumped it, it's too murky, too much Battlestarr Galactica; where's Gene's positive outlook on the future? Star Trek probably would have stayed a one-season bummer with that design... o_0

[ondrasubs]

that so awesome ... the beginning is like a classic scifi from asimov

[soylentteal]

That intro music wasn't "junked"...it was used in later episodes (including "A Taste of Armageddon" when Spock makes the guard think they've escaped).

Have some respect for great music. Every note Sandy Courage wrote for that pilot was superb and I wish this cue and others would make it to CD. I also wish this original pilot would make it to DVD.

[Bestmanme08]

Great Star Trek book (All About Jeffrey Hunter)at Kindle for just a $1.09!

[JohnnyHaywood]

when Shatner mentions "leaving the galaxy" I asked myself, why? The trip to the next one (Canis Major (mostly red giants) @ 25K light years) would take approx 20 years, with nothing more than "the void" in between. Perhaps the series was actually set in our galaxy, and this was a technical error made at the first attempt to tell the story. The "Voyager" plot was designed around their involuntary displacement to the far side of our galaxy (Delta Quadrant), and Voyager's struggle to make it home.

[AcePilot2009]

A scientist recently wrote that there may be a universe inside every black hole.

Fascinating, Mr. Spock.

[Nani101]

Jammie uniforms? I like!

[Potrimpo]

You know, I'm waiting for BondFreek to make an ass of himself here and losing the argument again.

[BondFreek]

@Potrimpo HA Ha Ha! You loose again. This is genuine. Even if I had not seen this before I can tell it is real. Totally new beginning new camera shots not seen in the episode and it looks allot like The Cage. PS. My brother gave me a copy. The ending is different too.

[soylentteal]

@BondFreek do you know where other (complete) copies of this original version can be found? My brother and I would love to have it.

[BondFreek]

@soylentteal. I don't know where it comes from. My brother got it from a friend who got it from a friend and so on. I'm not sure of how to get you a copy legally. It's legal to make copies of a VHS that was made for personal viewing for backups and sharing with family and friends as long as the first copy was done with permission. I don't know what the law says about distributing such copies over the web or mail. I'll look into it. In two days, please remind me to get back to you. :-D

[soylentteal]

@BondFreek Many thanks. I last saw that original pilot at an ST convention in the late 1970s and would love to have a copy of the episode itself. I understand that the third Original Series collection on Blu-Ray includes it, but I don't have a BR player.

I've exchanged material like this by mail many times and never had any trouble. I'll compensate you for your trouble, of course.

[BondFreek]

@soylentteal. I just wanted you to know I have not forgotten about you. Between looking for a real job, college and helping my elderly mother out. I just have not had the time yet. But don't worry your request is high on my too do list.

[soylentteal]

@BondFreek, no problem, take your time. I have an elderly mom of my own, so I understand. May you and yours live long and prosper!

[Pomoscorzo]

I rather like the theme, perhaps I don't like the one they chose in the end. The melody's all right, but later with that woman vocalizing in the background, it reminds me of how I imagine the howling of a ghost... :-)

[ClassicTrekkie1]

I have a 16mm copy I bought thru Big Reel magazine of the ORIGINAL version. I've had it for years. If I'd known it was that rare, I would have done something about it. Since I already have 2 previous sets of the original series, I thought I'd be missing the original pilot because I have no intention of buying a 3rd set (blu-ray). Now I know I not only won't miss it, but I've seen and owned it before most other trekkies.

[silvereagle2061]

Where did this come from. I've seen stills of some scenes but not the actual video

[TheManiacOnWheelsUSA]

@silvereagle2061 This comes from the pilot episode that aired.

[McCaler]

Must be nice to be a young, Starfleet captain.

[alexfanx]

Shit, in the first pilot Pike went to the other side of the Galaxy and in this they left the Milky Way completely, but now they just stay in the Alpha Quadrant mostly.

[sailorx72]

I think both Shatner and Hunter did a great job in there roles in the 1960's Star Trek Series. If Hunter would have continued with the role Star Trek would have probably ended in 1969 when Jeffrey Hunter passed away.

[acidtongue01]

I'm not a Bill Shatner fan -- but I must say, he gives a really compelling narration. Too bad they didn't use it, along with some of the unused footage, in the 2nd pilot. But I still think Jeffrey Hunter was a much better actor and would have made a great captain! Who knows, though, if Trek would have survived a single season as a show with a more serious edge.

[kljMN2]

I had no idea there was an alternate beginning to this episode. Also I think it's kind of funny when Captain Kirk orders a red alert when the probe begins transmitting - why? It isn't as if the ship is being attacked or in any danger...

[adarias]

"Deleted" from where? I remember I saw this at that time!

[mikethegent]

This was from the second pilot Roddenberry showed the network,totally different format from what we see now in syndication and on current DVDs...I have the VHS bootleg tape of this one pilot

[mengenstrom]

Mir fällt auf, dass die Jungs in den Gängen immer aneinander vorbeilaufen, aber nie einer einen anderen grüßt. Kennen die sich nicht untereinander???

[ClaudeParish]

That's not such a big deal, Mengenstrom. They were just extras, filling in the background.

[SouliaBoy]

"What is out there in the black void beyond?"

I think he answered his question: a black void.

[spacepatrolman]

THE SPACE BETWEEN GALAXIES

[spacepatrolman]

@SouliaBoy radiation that makes your eyes light up and makes you a mind reader

[FCM415]

@SouliaBoy What's beyond it?

[PaulUmbarger]

Freeze it at 02:18. Is that blue shirt on the left Sulu? LOL! Probably not but, it sort of looks like him to me. I know that this one would have had to be from long before he was first seen.

[photonicus]

Yeah,it's Sulu before he transferred to the helm position.Think he was in the science division at first,hence the blue shirt.

[PaulUmbarger]

Cool! I didn't know that! I was thinking that it was just G. Takai playing a different character or something. Good trivia though!

[firmingitup]

I wonder why Spock wasn't wearing a blue shirt.

[mikethegent]

my guess he was he was wearing the gold one on the count of being either the first officer or second officer along with science officer....some of the shirts had different insginias...

[Boran99]

Yes, that WAS George Takei. It would appear that was just an extra at this point and was made a member of the cast later.

[PaulUmbarger]

Yeah, that is what I was thinking too. Of course, in the Star Trek Universe, he could have been on the ship for a long time before he transfered to a more obvious department. Thanks for the responce too!

[Orious69]

and startrek fans all across the world gasp! and cry out "an alternate theme song" in shock and terror and dismay..haha just kidding little melo drama actually pretty cool.

[Badgerinmaine]

"Act I"--wow, like a Quinn Martin production! :-)

[mengenstrom]

This is a western-like beginning.

[firmingitup]

Gene Roddenberry said he wanted Star Trek to be "like a Wagon Train to the stars".

[spacepatrolman]

they should have used john mcentire  [ the wagon master ]as an asteroid prospector

[007InMiami]

"music never again heard on Star Trek"

If you are referring to music played during the titles, that was used in the episode Balance Of Terror. All the other music played here was heard throughout Trek's run.

[thechallenger9000]

Note: Im not a trekkiie just noticing a couple things. I'm conviced that Star Trek ispired in some wayw some of the best science ficiton produacitons that exist today. Not to the characters but just its look of the ship and movement of the crafts even the wardrobe to an extent.

[DataWaveTaGo]

Of vital importance to the original Star Trek - The Bar Room Brawl Emulation - where Kirk is physically pitted against some ne'er-do-well in a knock-down drag-em out fisticuff scene upon whose outcome the fate of the Enterprise, a planet, perhaps a galaxy or Reality Itself, hangs in the balance. S.T. had to compete with the Cowboys on other networks. That led to a lot of bad scripting.

[yohannbiimu]

Gary Lockhart and Sally Kellerman were fortunate to not be associated with this series, having been killed off in the very first episode. It would have been the kiss of death.

[DancingSpiderman]

Whoa dudes, check it out -- It's the eminent starship engineer, Scotty Argyle McDoogan!

[RussianRasta1981]

You need a video grabber!!

[scotpens]

I always loved "red alert" aboard the Enterprise. People walking in all directions at once, carrying unidentifiable equipment. Guys wearing hazmat suits and welder's masks for no apparent reason.

[jjmfrees]

Hahaha LMAO--that's funny. I love the hazmat suit and welder's mask comment!!!!

[scotpens]

Well, nothing except a barrier of weird energy that looks like a red psychedelic flame and zaps people into superbeings with telepathic and telekinetic powers. And eyes that glow.

It's a good thing the broadcast version dropped this voiceover by Kirk. It sounds vaguely as if he doesn't know the difference between the galaxy and the solar system.

[TomMinderson]

Lost "Voyager" early

[jordinyc]

I wonder if the people who came up with Voyager saw this.

So if in this version they're already outside of the galaxy, what caused the 2 characters to become like gods?

[usmidn]

RIP Roddenberry, Winfield, Kelley, and Doohan

[fromthesidelines]

This version of the pilot episode WAS shown at the 1966 "WorldCon", 'albion'. After the standing ovation it got from the audience at the end, Gene Roddenberry told them he had also brought a black & white print of the "original" 1965 pilot episode starring Jeffrey Hunter, and was anyone interested in seeing it? They were, and did. Allan Asherman was there, and recalled all this in his "Star Trek Compendium" book...

[usbiker133t]

Wow, i'm glad that title score was junked.

[albion432]

me too, sounds too much like a police drama score or something.

[sligstar]

@albion432

It is interesting that you put it that way. Gene Roddenberry worked as a cop for a time before. I understand that later, he wrote scripts for shows like Police story.

No particular reason other than you choice of word struck me as ironic plus a chance to share some trivia.

[Whitelitr]

@albion432 Understandable, since Gene Roddenberry was an LAPD officer and then later wrote for police shows.

[xavierprotocols]

I like how no one is in a hurry to get to their battle stations!

[HerrKolosimo]

yeah it's the 60's, they were all dopers.

but anyway: great treat indead! is the rest identical?

[Mglosk]

As if there is something wrong with being a pot smoker.

[albion432]

as mego73 pointed out above the only other difference besides the end credits is a line that was cut between Kirk and Spock; After "Terrible having bad blood like that..." Kirk continues with "but you may leatn to enjoy it one day" which was cut in the TV version

[1Bandit455]

Very cool.

[atomicplayboy4u]

LOL The future ??? Still climbing laters ? Anyway... I love this ep ! Classic before trek went queer !

[ToasterPig]

Um... went queer? try being more offensive there buddy, im sure that would go over very well

[jupitr2]

I never even heard about this version. What a treat!! Just watched this epeisode on DVD the other day and I think it's got to be in the top five of all the TOS episodes. Got to meet and briefly talk with Paul Carr (Lt. Kelso) a few years ago at a Star Trek Sci-Fi Con in Seattle and he humorously boasted that, out of all of the Star Treks, he will forever be immortalized as the first crewman to be killed off. LOL A great guy too! Thank you for the post!

[albion432]

In a Starlog interview Paul Carr also humorously joked about the fact that whenever he was killed off in a pilot, it was guaranteed to go on to be a big hit and he'd loose out on account of being dead. May god rest his soul now that he's passed on in real life. He was a great guy, you're lucky to have met him.

[albion432]

I agree that this episode is in the top five episodes of TOS. It is interesting to watch this version in its entirety with its different theme music and format and imagine how different the series might have been had they not made all the changes between this pilot and The Cobermite Maneuver. As a side note, in the aired version, this episode is the only one that does not feature the familiar opening dialog "Space the final frontier . . ." Star Trek was truly science fiction at its best.

[jupitr2]

Wow, I am truly bummed... I remember reading a post somewhere that he had passed away but I could never confirm it, so I figured it was an error. Never found anything until now looking at his website after your mention of it and am saddened. He was teaching theater in LA when we spoke and you could see his eyes light up when he mentioned it.  Sure made a lasting impression on many of us, either as fans OR students. Rest in peace Paul, you did well.

[atomicplayboy4u]

I love this ep and I must say it ranks in the top three :) As far as the other star treks ? Paaaaaaaalease ! There is only one Star Trek ! Some bald headed loser and scratching the "Man" In the intro for some moronic feminist nonsense says it all MEN ARE MEN AND WOMEN ARE WOMEN ! Before all the little men and peeeeverted broads start attacking how many fems to ya see in the NFL,NBA,and MBL? NONE ! Check mate ! DUMB ASSES !

[amrak63]

AtomicplayBOY: Grow. The. Hell. Up. PLEASE.

Arrested-development cases like you give the rest of us Trek fans a bad name.

[atomicplayboy4u]

What a moronic comeback LOL The classic liberal bilge line "Grow up" Go pop another prozac you freaking pervert !!! LOL Oh yeah... and get out of your mothers basement. LMAO

[amrak63]

AtomicplayBOY, I was referring to your psychological age. I was dismayed to find you're 38. Some people, alas, never grow up.

FYI, I don't touch mind-altering drugs, including the legal ones; I live in my own apartment, which I pay for with my own money, earned at my own full-time job.

I'll accept "liberal" as a compliment, sonny, since I know that coming from someone like you, it merely means "responsible adult".

[ToasterPig]

WTF are you talking about?

[Ienjoyinlife]

cool

[silverbullet1620]

Did you know that the Blonde woman that Mitchell wanted to talk to in the opening credits is Yeoman Smith.

[FilmsRreel]

I own a 16mm film print of this version

[meepmeep189]

where can you get this

[Dave82517]

This is such a great opening for the 2nd pilot. The familiar music that plays when the Enterprise first appears really gives this a suspenseful feel, more effective than what is now officially on DVDs etc. Excelent. What I wish they would do is release "Where No Man Has Gone Before" as a special DVD including this alternate footage. Showing both versions etc. It would be a DVD every Star Trek fan should not be without

[RA00004]

This is an excellent piece of Star Trek history. Thanks for posting! I believe that this version of the second pilot was the version which NBC executives screened -- the version which ultimately (thankfully!) sold the series.

[iluvanimorphs]

i liked that episode. funny how spock went from "i do not feel" to "i felt for him too."

[Kirok]

I love the way this ep (either version) conveys a real sense of isolation. That's something the first dozen or so TOS eps did really well, but was almost completely lost by the time "Enterprise" came along.

[antodav]

That's just too weird without the classic theme music...

[frdrsjr]

Does anybody else see the small black satellite with the star of David on it on the transporter pad at 1:37? Where Kirk sez "Blast the Bridge?"

[BobLarrabee]

Actually, he says "Flash the bridge".

[videoholic2007]

I'll have to upload my copy, it's really good!

[mcmacs]

Believe it or not, I saw this in a THEATRE in Melbourne, Australia, about 1976. We used to have these ST 'mini-cons' held here each month or so and the version of WNMHGB they had on 16mm was this one.

It's pretty dim, but above the WHERE NO MAN... title it says "Tonight's Episode:"

With that and the titled 'Acts" it always struck me as being structured much like "A Quinn Martin Production" e.g. Streets Of San Fran, Cannon, The Invaders etc.

[BobLarrabee]

Yeah, well the main theme (such as it is), is like the Marlboro Song. All the rest of the music though, was actually used at one point or another in the version of the episode that everyone saw. But this is the version that was actually submitted to the network as the pilot episode.

[warptek]

I love how the turbolift scene was created. One camera, no cuts. Mitchell enters from a corridor, next time the doors open its the bridge. They simply had a wall panel to a corridor outside on the bridge set. Door closes. Panel removed. Just brilliant in its simplicity.

[fromthesidelines]

Because this was the unaired version of "Pilot #2" (completed and shown to NBC executives in February 1966), it was eventually reworked for broadcast, including Alex Courage's theme and partial elimination of the opening sequence and identification of "Acts". A portion of the original theme was heard during NBC's fall preview show on September 4, 1966.

[Pennymm]

I think the fight sequence at the end of this episode between Kirk and Gary is one of the best tussles in STar Trek's history and Kirk's battle with the Gorn in Arena just classic fights lol!!1

[Pennymm]

I love Shatner's monolouge at the opening of this episode it's only as Shatner can do it :)

[titanicguy]

awesome 2 see this here. I have this on video, i meanfull show. got ftom ST convention in the 80's. but now i copy it 2 DVD and added 2 me collection.

[van76]

They used the same uniforms from The Cage. This was

the only time we see Spock wearing anything other than

blue...until we get to the movies, that is!! I hope they include this when they release the remasters on

DVD.

[ElizabethUhura]

That was pretty cool, ... but god. Spock looks horrible in yellow, and Scotty in Sesame tan? That was bad. And the uniforms, where they atackted by wool cord sweaters from hell with zippers on their shoulders.

[Yesimustbestupid]

I think the outfits look like maybe they had spent too long shopping in a place that sold some mod clothes from England (at that time). They do look just a little like the Nehru jackets that were popular at the time.

[EliteRanger]

OMG as a RABID TOS fan, I've been dying to see that for years...thank you SOOO much!!

[Sugartalker]

Wow! That was really interesting. I hope they actually release the entire things on DVD eventually.

[KleinesHendl]

Wow, that was really great. Thanks a lot for sharing! :-)

[dwalex97209]

A real treat albion432. Thanks a million.

Perhaps when- and if- CBS Paramount decides to release the enhanced DVD/HD-DVD/Blu-Ray version out, they ought to consider showing the alternate episode alongside the one that's already aired.

[albion432]

TOS means The Original Series and refers to the 1960's Star Trek series.

[Pennymm]

Why didn't they include this in the Season 1 DVD box set of TOS that sucks lol!!1

[JRKtheAdobeDude]

*asterisks* that was amazing *asterisks*

nice peace of history u got there

thnx 4 sharing with us

[TheAssistant]

Great. Interesting. It's a pity that one doesn't find it on the TOS-DVD-Boxes as Special Features.

[echoparkdirt]

that was mindblowing!!!!

[gobears1987]

They did reach the Galactic Barrier at the edge of the Milky Way in this episode.

[mego73]

No problem, I was always aware of that cut because I read that NBC "Standards and Practices" thought that line was too suggestive.

[mego73]

Thanks for posting albion432 but did you know Kirk and Spocks conversation at the chess game has a deleted line in your version? When Kirk says "Terrible having bad blood like that..." we hear him continue with "but you may leatn to enjoy it one day" which was cut in the TV version

[albion432]

You're right! I of course had to go and compare the two versions. I never noticed before. Had I known, I would not have faded the scene out where I did. Thanks for the info.

[kirok2011]

damnit now i gotta watch that episode lol good vid

[JimReevesFan]

What a find. Amazingly breathtaking is all I can say.

Thank you for sharing.

[Chevron7engage]

Fantastic clip! After 40 years of Star Trek, you would think you've seen everything about TOS captured on celluloid. Including the bloopers. I stand corrected.

[sodhexo]

I too have this on video which i bought from independant video shop in B'Ham about 12 or so years ago. I was a bit sus at first of it because i hadent herd of it. I converted it onto SVCD about a year ago and have had it ever since. Hopefully paramount will put it onto a dvd at some point in the future with an explanation about it.

[trogdorrules]

this is amazing. you have a rare trekkie treasuer in your hands, guard it safe! you should convert to dvd so you can keep it forever. live long and prosper!

[jtno2]

Nice find. Anything else new or different on this version?

[PeterJB]

I would love to see more of this whole ep. This was fascinating that they moved the Enterprise out of the Milky Way galazy. I actually think that might have made the show a slightly more believable and less confined to a certain time line (something that really affected a couple of the movies, and "Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, Voyager and Enterprise", although not as badly with ST: TNG)

[albion432]

The rest of the episode is just like the aired version, except that each act has an opening title that reads ACT I, ACT II, ect., and the closing credits are different. Having the Enterprise already outside of the Milky Way didn't make much sense with the rest of the episode, and I can see why the removed it, though the opening monolog it interesting.

[JohnnyHaywood]

@PeterJB, when Shatner mentions "leaving the galaxy" I asked myself, why? The trip to the next one (Canis Major @ 25K light years) would take approx 20 years, with nothing more than "the void" in between. Perhaps the series was actually set in our galaxy, and this was a technical error made at the first attempt to tell the story. The "Voyager" plot was designed around their involuntary displacement to the far side of our galaxy (Delta Quadrant) in the pilot episode by an alien technology.

[JohnnyHaywood]

Voyager's struggle to make it home then became the focus of the series. Also, Canis Major is a galaxy populated by an unusal anount of red giants, making it a poor candidate to "seek out new life and new civilizations", since those planetary systems would likely be past their peak to support intellegent life.

[iseven016]

awesome clip! always heard about the alternate version but never have seen it. boggled as to why it wasn't included on any of the dvd's. they put two versions of "the cage" on the season 3, why not this..? anyway, would it be possible to post the alternate ending as well...?

[albion432]

I've never been able to figure out why Paramount does what it does. This would have been a great addition to the dvd box sets.  As I stated above, the copywrite to this is/was help by Video Rarities, maybe that has something to do with it.

As for posting the ending credits, they really aren't anything special (you've already seen the best part of this version), it's just credits against a starfield with more really bad music that sounds like it came from a detective show.

[pinrocker]

Not only have I never seen the alternate episode, I've never heard of such a thing. In my opinion you might have a one of a kind. This is a great clip! (I would think it could be worth a bundle)

[albion432]

The packaging looks very amateurish, though it does have a copywrite date of 1989 from Video Rarities, so I do dout that it's the only copy out there. I just can't figure out why there aren't a lot more of them floating around.

[charlielesko65]

Where'd the hell did you get this???

[albion432]

I found it in a comic book store in Adrian, MI about 15 years ago. I was more than a bit leery when I read the back of the box, as I had never heard anything about another version of this episode, but curiosity got the best of me and I decided to buy it. I'm glad that I did, as it turned out to be true. That was the only time that I have ever seen this video for sale anywhere, and I've got to several cons.

[charlielesko65]

WOW! You have a little know treasure in your hands. Perhaps you should have it converted to DVD, just to preserve it. Thanks for sharing it with the rest of us "Trek Heads".

[biggerdouchebagjones]

Woah. Very cool.