I can tell you, a strange fact is that many free jazz live sets on youtube do not sound that great (though this one does to me, but eh). But if you lend an ear to a wealth of albums from early Ornette (This Is Our Music, The Shape of Jazz To Come, Tomorrow Is The Question, Free Jazz etc.) you will shave a lot to hear. It is not necessarily flawless technique but a gift for twisting and turning melodies that Coleman had. And he could be pretty damn structured.
See "The Devil's Horn" He was once playing near a room filled with great and prominent jazz musicians. He played Bird so well the others ran out to see whether Bird had come back to life.
Just shows the dead end Ornette's "free"" jazz was, that he later turned to a form of repetitive minimalism, which while trying to be hip in the 70's and 80's, sounded dated from the get-go. Not really funky, melodic, or interesting. If you want this kind of thing, KING SUNNY ADE did it far, far better! Or George Clinton. Or Gang of Four, Pere Ubu, The Fall, the later King Crimson or Talking Heads if you want it catchier.
I am a an avid jazz listener, and I have to say that honestly, I cannot listen to this for more than 45 seconds without wanting to throw up. I mean.. Its not that I cant get into free jazz.... I love jazz and how free jazz is today... but when i hear this, all i hear is frankly a very annoying melody with a bunch of random bullshit from Ornette on 3 different instruments.. all more annoying than the next. There is absolutely no interaction between any of the musicians playing
@Ibakebiscuits wonderful music - I like his violin playing a lot - I'm not snob guy I simply dig this music be respectufl - I respect your dislikeing it ( sorry for my bad english ...)
@yourockets3 I find free jazz hard to understand to be honest. I am a jazz fan myself (specially bebop bebop fan), but for some reason I really like this piece....hehehe I know that my ears hear strange stuff but I love it! :)
Have you ever lived in a major city anywhere on this planet? Have you been in the streets during rush hour? And perhaps it helps to have a clue what it sounds like inside the head of a schizophrenic. Ornette Coleman played the music he heard in his head, and it was dissonance. Free jazz is not pastoral, and Ornette is not all that different from Eric Dolphy and hardbop. This is some cool shit. Can I listen to it all day? No.
@HipHopkins09 True. My brain isn't enough smart to get it. For me it's like hearing somebody speaking in japanese. It makes no sense. I prefer to listen to more intelligible jazz. Music for me is communication, not noise. Matter of taste. Greets.
8:00 YouTube video: Dancing In Your Head; The Ornette Coleman PrimeTime Band: Ornette Coleman - Alto Sax, Violin, & Trumpet
March 9, 1930: birth of Ornette Coleman, American musician; born and raised in Fort Worth, Texas. Coleman's timbre is easily recognized; album Sound Grammar received the 2007 Pulitzer Prize for music.
@893165009 With my ears. You are deficient in either anatomical or musical knowledge. I've taken the high road and made the least offensive assumption.
I realize Ornette's music is not for everyone, but I personally think nearly every piece he has played is brilliant beyond belief. Ornette was one of the first musicians that realized music doesn't have to be based on chord changes or set structures with simple AABA forms, allowing a whole new avenue into improvisation. Some say it's a cacophony of endless noise...I say it's a true improvisers wet dream.
Based on the title of this tune, "Dancing In Your Head," I can imagine what Coleman wanted to portray through his music. Let's just say that in my case, he has succeeded in this end. I fear not this music, but what it stands for... what do you think it stands for? I'm very curious.
@HipHopkins09 I don't like music? Thank you for telling me what I like. It's all clear now; I'm a musician because I hate music. I've studied music theory intensively because I hate it so much. Thank you.
Sarcasm aside, I hate this music, as I already said, and as you completely ignored, not because I don't understand it, but because I hate listening to it--it reminds of a terrible experience: migraines.
Your utter ignorance leads me to believe that you are the one who is insecure, surely.
I happen to love this music but if someone else doesn't, so what? I hate music snobbery: everyone has a right to like or dislike any piece of music. I think all music fans have had the experience of hearing about how great some artist/band is and then actually hearing the music and not liking it at all.
interesting reading all these comments by people who listen then have to say how they don't appreciate free jazz.
I don't want to know why you don't like free jazz...
I love this music and Ornette for 40 years now. We all have our personal esthetic.
I see the discipline and the systematic ordering of "chaos" that is our consciousness as the fascinating method of this music. You have to listen, you have to do some work, but the rewards are well worth it.
...at about 2:41 he really starts to veer away from the accompanyment (which itself starts to become polytonal at around 3:20 -a bit like the opening movement of A Love Supreme). ...sorry I just keep noticing more and more goodness every time I listen to it...it's easy to miss amongst the overall mess/excitement...
I would say that creating consistent atonality like this is easier than people think as there are lots more options than the alternative (tonal music). All you need to do is avoid consistent tonality. Think of it as travelling cross country, avoiding the 'narrow roads' of tonality. You can even cross the roads briefly as long as you don't start to follow them.
dude ornette took bird and put him through a dankass psychedelic prism and came out with his own shit. he's got chops on the alto, but there just a lil funky.
And don't call me foolish. I simply thought it was quite repetitive and not very tuneful. I am not a novice musician, and I do hear all the different instruments, rythms and notes, simply it doesn't caress my ear. I never said this was not brilliant or whatosever, it's not my job to judge such things. I might continue listening to Ornette Coleman and see if my ear gets used to it. Or maybe not.
@GreenEileen I respect your opinion. Sorry if my comment came off as crass. People are entitled to like what they like and dislike whatever they don't like.
@GreenEileen : your approach was exactly was exactly the one I chose when first exposed to Coleman. I persevered but it only further diustanced me from liking this "material". I've never met a Coleman fan who can sing a scale...really. I know some prominent Aussie jazz players who claim to like Coleman...as a standing joke, to see if their audience will slavishly agree...and they normally do !!!!...jazz has its share of dedicated followers of fashion..even of the atonal, arythmnic kind.
@vihtorik By the way you have communicated, we doubt your is IQ above 40...this man is a genius and should not be disgraced by comments like yours. 2 years ago we saw him at Royce Hall in LA and thought it was the best music we've ever heard. Glad we had the chance to tell him so.
Not so easy to speak about this kind of music. "I've listened to him all kinds of ways. I listened to him high, and I listened to him cold sober. I even played with him. I think he's jiving, baby" (comment by Roy Eldridge on Ornette Coleman). If one loves Ornette Coleman, that's perfect. If one finds Ornette Coleman dull, that's equally perfect. I belong to the second kind of people.
The dissonance and chaos is balanced by the clear, sweet expression of melody. The rhythm pulse holds everything together. Modern classical "serial" music has nothing like this--it is almost unlistenable, while the richness and depth of Ornette's music can be appreciated with just a little effort.. As Ornette says in his album "Sound Grammar", he is seeking universal structures of sound, both of words and music. He is an intellectual and poet. Awesome!
His trumpet playing is my favorite. The melody is played all through the song (bass, guitar, drums sax, violin, drums etc.,) One needs to listen to this piece a few times before dismissing it. Free jazz is not ENTIRELY free. There definitely is structure in this piece. Bravo Ornette!!!!!!!!
Highly evolved sets of EARS love this!!! The album of the same name is probably my favorite Ornette album, over "shapes of things to come", "live at the full circle", "free jazz", " science fiction", "twins", etc. I had the good fortune of seeing Ornette live at the Chicago Jazz fest a few years back, and he was still on, although he didn't do any material as ground-breaking as this. I used to throw stuff like this on when I had guests over and I wanted them to leave!!!!
@TheArbiter74 Love your comment at the end:) CLASSIC! I must try that when I have guest that I want out also. Other classic albums to put on would be Coltrane's "Om" , Ascension or "Sunship". As an added bonus, maybe an Albert Ayler album as well. That will get those pesky people out LoL
@matthewhenson1 How can one be ignorant to something that is subjective? I'd rather listen to Bird, Cannonball, Jackie McLean, Johnny Hodges, Paul Desmond, Phil Woods, Sonny Stitt, among others. . . oops am I showing my ignorance?
@queekers Well you're writing properly so that's an improvement. Telling me what you like listening to (all good stuff) is a totally different issue; stating that anybody who enjoys THIS is a pseudo-intellectual "dumbass" is the height of ignorance. I could write all day about the merits of this music, but in the end the most important thing for you to accept is that people do genuinely like this stuff.
Ornette is a Great Sax player, but I just cannot figure out why he plays violin or why Pat Metheny would put out Zero Tolerance For Silence. Can someone please explain the reasoning behind these great musicians desicions.
Free Jazz can be considered an acquired taste. It really ought not to be dismissed so easily. While it seems like an endless confusion of noise, it does take a good musical sense to also have all these different things happening in the music and clashing. If one listens it with more of an open mind and get inside the music, it may grow on you. As I said, its an acquired taste. I'm not a fan of free jazz though.... I didn't know that Ornette played trumpet too!
The bass and percussion are not at the same time and the whole thing is just musician who should practice playing his instruments and a few idiots around him... -.- damn i thought it was music
@Piaggiofreak1 You may like jazz, but you mustn't understand it. Or perhaps you do understand it but you have a terrible ear; your inability to feel a pulse through polyrhythms in a four piece CRACK rhythm section doesn't mean that there IS no pulse. They are playing perfectly in time. He's one of the greats, hardly needs to practice, ask Coltrane! Chops are not the be all - end all of soulful music...
freejazz is just a bunch of wanky musicians playing whateva they want they dont play together its just a bunch of wankiness all played at once and also i like the violin but just not on this itd sound cool over some dnb or something real siknis
@matthewhenson1 I don't find it as easy as, say, Endangered Species, which is about as wild as it gets with Ornette. It's that nagging riff and Denardo's stuff I can't stomach.
Personally, I cannot stand Ornette Colemans tone. And I'm listening to see if this music will click for me. I try to have an open mind. But man, Cannonball needs to show him how to make a sound on alto.
@lawlkingser - the last time I played something this horrible, I was about 8 years old but this isn't about me. This is crap period and any real jazz musician knows it. This is the result of poor life choices. He ruined his career just like the great Miles Davis did. This perfomance makes Kenny G look good - and that ain't easy
@jazzboheavenly What a load of shit. John Coltrane was a follower of Ornette, are you implying one of the highest gods of jazz is not a real jazz musician? Pat Metheny frequently sites Ornette as one of the greatest improvisational geniuses of all time. The fellow started a movement, a return to soul over intellect. Amidst the controvery which you're a part of this gentle man even managed to win a Pulitzer Prize. Pipe down or stop jumping to poorly researched conclusions.
@josrukker What does it mean for music to "sound good" to you? As a huge free jazz fan I will happily admit that much of it does not "sound" good. It FEELS good! Ornette's music has a soul which must be felt; unless you surrender to the sound and if you continue only to search for aesthetically "pleasing" phrases you'll be disappointed. Coltrane's free jazz must also be FELT to experience his spirituality.
If you can't get into this try not watching it. Give it a chance, let yourself be carried away by the spirit of the music, the joy of sound. This is something eternally new. This is simple expression. This is basic Human Feeling! Allow your ears the freedom to be transformed!
Almost unbelievably beautiful, but I've heard Ornette before, to the uninitiated, it probably either knock you out or sound like noise, haha, i feel sorry!
I hate to break it to you, but this is horrible! I respect ornette as a song writer. The music he writes is cool and innovative, but this does not require skill. I'm sorry that playing out of tune and with a horrid tone is not something that requires much. And violin? He's not playing it, and whatever he's doing, he's doing left handed, which doesn't exist. If it sounded good, that would be one thing, but it doesn't. so sorry
@lukeybonkers94 It doesn't have to SOUND good to FEEL good...just as Coltrane's free jazz (much more intense than this) is spiritual, Ornette's small group work like this is almost infinitely soulful. Sure, not aesthetically pleasing, but so so soulful feeling IF you surrender yourself to it. Out of tune? I assume you're referring to bent, or overblown notes? Just another form of expression. If you mean out of tune relative to the band, that's not applicable...it's free jazz, thats the point!!
wow hes really giving everything... its both inspiring and baffling from the outside when someone's that far into what they're doing. Though to him its surely not baffling at all.
Yes, he is a genius. Listening to his stuff is like a whirlwind. The full title should be "Dancing in Your Head Whilst Eating Acid" He should probably leave the violin alone though. Someone was quoted as saying "He's just playing any old thing" . I'd have to agree as far as the violin goes but at least he's playing in key. You really have to be into jazz to listen to about more than 1 minute of this! I am one of those people. Mind blowing is putting it mildly LOL
De lo mejor que he oido desde hace bastante tiempo. Este año 2010 se cumplen 50 años del disco de ORNETTE COLEMAN : "FREE JAZZ" que dio lugar al último estilo importante del jazz . Y ORNETTE cumplirá 80 años en marzo de 2010. Para mi es uno de los 10 músicos más importantes de la Historia del JAZZ . Otro es CECIL TAYLOR,que también vive.
As far as 909kong goes...Ornette has written string quartets, for symphony orchestras, done string arrangements...I don't think MOST musicians do a good job explaining what they are "trying to accomplish" with their music. Music is what the musician hears, not an ideology or categorization game...there is plenty of other music out there I am sure will appeal to you. This guy has been doing it for too long to assume he's a diletante.
OK, THIS is what I was looking for!!! I was actually palying Devil's Advocate to provoke some interesting comments (a little too well, in fact.)
"Shape of Jazz" and "Virgin Beauty" are two of my favorites, actually.
As far as Ornette not being able (or just not being in the mood) to explain the "theory" behind his music, i'm glad he didn't. A free association poet probably couldn't either.
@909kong Theory doesn't make music sound good. Hitting notes that sound good together with at least a decent tone does. This performance has neither. If you showed this video depicting what he would become to a young Ornette Coleman he probably would have blown his brains out
@jazzboheavenly Wynton "Mr. Trad" Marsalis has gone on record saying that a beginning soloist should listen to a lot of Ornette, because it's so close to the way people originally improvised in Jazz, melodically-based...
@909kong When Wynton's dad talks, I listen. I remember hearing Mr. Marsalis refer to the most revered jazz trumpeter in history Satchmo as an Uncle Tom so I don't really care too much about his opinion. I'm not saying everything about Ornette Coleman stinks - I'm saying this performance is a f'ing joke and unbearable to listen to. Left handed violin??? Give me a break. The drugs did him in my friend. If you think this is good, you have no idea what jazz even is and that is a fact.
@jazzboheavenly you must be a newbie or one of those cats that "shock-blog"...anyway, go down a couple of pages and read what I originally said about this piece....
@jazzboheavenly Not sure about your definition of good there. Sure, from an audience perspective your definition has some merit. From a players perspective it has none. I'm not sure why you feel jazz must be entirely audience driven; what is wrong with the performance of jazz as a spiritual pursuit, a la Ornette Coleman and John Coltrane?
It's good to see so many people responding and debating the merit of Coleman's music. Like I said some time ago, I met the man & he couldn't explain what he was trying to accomplish with his music. 'NUFF SAID!!!!
I really get tired of folks assuming this music takes no effort. I have played planned and prepared pieces and believe me, playing in different keys is MUCH tougher. I wish folks would really consider this.
Most people (except for Paul Bley and Gunther Schuller) didn't get Ornette when he first appeared. Coltrane got him after a while and some of Miles' "Live-Evil" stuff is influenced by Ornette. Poor Monk had major psychological issues. Apparently, Ornette did not. Ornette may be one of the few sane, drug free modern musicians.
Great sweating!
Samyaza69 1 month ago
Most free jazz i'm not crazy about, but i think this is very cool. If you like this check out Offramp by Pat Metheny.
jlhyz2 1 month ago
Oh now I see why this is called free jazz.
The song has no key, no structure so you basicly just do some stuff and everything is out of key and it's a mess.
This just blew my brains in a negative way.
TheWallGuitar 2 months ago
@TheWallGuitar
I can tell you, a strange fact is that many free jazz live sets on youtube do not sound that great (though this one does to me, but eh). But if you lend an ear to a wealth of albums from early Ornette (This Is Our Music, The Shape of Jazz To Come, Tomorrow Is The Question, Free Jazz etc.) you will shave a lot to hear. It is not necessarily flawless technique but a gift for twisting and turning melodies that Coleman had. And he could be pretty damn structured.
usernametaken443 1 month ago
Coleman transcends the others.
See "The Devil's Horn" He was once playing near a room filled with great and prominent jazz musicians. He played Bird so well the others ran out to see whether Bird had come back to life.
chas5131 2 months ago
This is free jazz?
MrMiguelmore 2 months ago
beautifully abstract ornette, love
Infadelx 2 months ago
Just shows the dead end Ornette's "free"" jazz was, that he later turned to a form of repetitive minimalism, which while trying to be hip in the 70's and 80's, sounded dated from the get-go. Not really funky, melodic, or interesting. If you want this kind of thing, KING SUNNY ADE did it far, far better! Or George Clinton. Or Gang of Four, Pere Ubu, The Fall, the later King Crimson or Talking Heads if you want it catchier.
pauldavidclub 2 months ago
The WORST violin solo ever!!!
Arkipelago2 2 months ago
I am a an avid jazz listener, and I have to say that honestly, I cannot listen to this for more than 45 seconds without wanting to throw up. I mean.. Its not that I cant get into free jazz.... I love jazz and how free jazz is today... but when i hear this, all i hear is frankly a very annoying melody with a bunch of random bullshit from Ornette on 3 different instruments.. all more annoying than the next. There is absolutely no interaction between any of the musicians playing
jrtjazztrio 2 months ago
I listened to Ornette once before in 1977 and just checked out this vid and quite frankly I don't mind waiting another 35 years to listen again.
Kolef88 3 months ago
２０世紀最大の脳天杭打ちハンマードリルウキウキ猛烈ジャンピング狂楽曲、ｵｰﾈｯﾄ･ｺｰﾙﾏﾝ、DANCING IN YOUR HEAD #jazzm
blackandtanful 3 months ago
@ianadels exactly!
Ibakebiscuits 3 months ago
avant-garde!!!
febbra2 4 months ago
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you call this music, this sucks!
madbmx50 4 months ago
まさに頭の中が踊り狂う!～ｵｰﾈｰｯﾄ･ｺｰﾙﾏﾝの音は体中の全神経が反応する～このヴｧｲｵﾘﾝが好きでたまらぬ! #jazzm 日野皓正か!?
blackandtanful 6 months ago
WHAAAATTTTTT?fucking hell what was that???
dmoyav08 6 months ago
for those of you jazz snobs that "get it" tell me: what do you hear when Coleman picks up the violin?
Ibakebiscuits 6 months ago
@Ibakebiscuits A wonderful sound:)
vandoren59 5 months ago
@Ibakebiscuits wonderful music - I like his violin playing a lot - I'm not snob guy I simply dig this music be respectufl - I respect your dislikeing it ( sorry for my bad english ...)
yourockets3 3 months ago in playlist YouTube Mix for Ornette Coleman
@yourockets3 I find free jazz hard to understand to be honest. I am a jazz fan myself (specially bebop bebop fan), but for some reason I really like this piece....hehehe I know that my ears hear strange stuff but I love it! :)
brandojazz 2 months ago
@Ibakebiscuits ;kjDFHASDFOIJASDFAl;aksdjfalisdjfdkfjbllloooooooooooooooo
ianadels 3 months ago
很好 我喜欢1
zent52 8 months ago
4:53 THE "WTF IS GOING ON HERE?" FACE
ZupraVisor 8 months ago 9
体に神経激痛がました時､これを聴く!～ｵｰﾈｯﾄ･コールマン"DancingInYourHead"~~本日がそう!～痛みを忘れる! #jazzm
blackandtanful 8 months ago
Dissonance is a condiment - not a main course.
jazzboheavenly 8 months ago
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XxXxXJonathanXxXxX 5 months ago
Dissonance is a condiment - not a main course
jazzboheavenly 8 months ago
I guitar and the bass are completely out of tune and the result is awesome, i love that guy's music!!!
doctormartensboots 8 months ago
Have you ever lived in a major city anywhere on this planet? Have you been in the streets during rush hour? And perhaps it helps to have a clue what it sounds like inside the head of a schizophrenic. Ornette Coleman played the music he heard in his head, and it was dissonance. Free jazz is not pastoral, and Ornette is not all that different from Eric Dolphy and hardbop. This is some cool shit. Can I listen to it all day? No.
MustangCoupe1951 9 months ago
For free jazz this is pretty damn catchy.
UniversityOfMunich 9 months ago
年２回これを聴く０),,ﾟДﾟ)DACING IN YOUR HEAD byO･コールマン､脳髄ｼｬﾜｰ #jazzm
blackandtanful 9 months ago
@HipHopkins09 True. My brain isn't enough smart to get it. For me it's like hearing somebody speaking in japanese. It makes no sense. I prefer to listen to more intelligible jazz. Music for me is communication, not noise. Matter of taste. Greets.
JusticieroDeLaMuerte 9 months ago
this is a good, rafined up to the highest posibility, a piece of S-H-I-T.
Great quality and texture. ExxxCELENT....
abjbogdan666 9 months ago
@HipHopkins09 Are you kiddin'?
JusticieroDeLaMuerte 10 months ago
Does anyone get this, appart from the main phrase?????
JusticieroDeLaMuerte 10 months ago
@JusticieroDeLaMuerte I think it is OK to laugh.
nobodady1 10 months ago
I understand what they were tryin to do, but 1 drummer woulda been better than 2
popemobile15 10 months ago
8:00 YouTube video: Dancing In Your Head; The Ornette Coleman PrimeTime Band: Ornette Coleman - Alto Sax, Violin, & Trumpet
March 9, 1930: birth of Ornette Coleman, American musician; born and raised in Fort Worth, Texas. Coleman's timbre is easily recognized; album Sound Grammar received the 2007 Pulitzer Prize for music.
mkworkman 10 months ago
HOW DO YOU LISTEN TO THIS!!!!????
893165009 10 months ago
@893165009 With my ears. You are deficient in either anatomical or musical knowledge. I've taken the high road and made the least offensive assumption.
confoozled3737 10 months ago
I realize Ornette's music is not for everyone, but I personally think nearly every piece he has played is brilliant beyond belief. Ornette was one of the first musicians that realized music doesn't have to be based on chord changes or set structures with simple AABA forms, allowing a whole new avenue into improvisation. Some say it's a cacophony of endless noise...I say it's a true improvisers wet dream.
roaryratcoon 11 months ago
Far out!
Beautiful violin work! Long Live Ornette!
BongoFury33 11 months ago
4:54 Krush??? or who????
TheArchetype18 1 year ago
4:54 Respect
s0kky 1 year ago
Everyone in the audience has black hair O.o
Battlefield2Pilot 1 year ago 14
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Come on, its Japan. The hell did you expect?
Boxoz 8 months ago
@Battlefield2Pilot no
crazycabbar 5 months ago
@Battlefield2Pilot wow how odd...
escaperoute2 3 months ago
@Battlefield2Pilot Everyone in the audience has black skin :0
dabears31221 3 months ago
@Battlefield2Pilot
When obviously the concert is held somewhere in Asia...
yanosz69 2 months ago
@Battlefield2Pilot haha yeah they're in Asia
bassist99909 21 hours ago
So würde es sich auf der Frankfurter Musikmesse auch anhören wenn alle Instrumente in einem Raum aufgestellt werden^^
Fatpack1234 1 year ago
Based on the title of this tune, "Dancing In Your Head," I can imagine what Coleman wanted to portray through his music. Let's just say that in my case, he has succeeded in this end. I fear not this music, but what it stands for... what do you think it stands for? I'm very curious.
Parvenu333 1 year ago
@HipHopkins09 I don't like music? Thank you for telling me what I like. It's all clear now; I'm a musician because I hate music. I've studied music theory intensively because I hate it so much. Thank you.
Sarcasm aside, I hate this music, as I already said, and as you completely ignored, not because I don't understand it, but because I hate listening to it--it reminds of a terrible experience: migraines.
Your utter ignorance leads me to believe that you are the one who is insecure, surely.
Parvenu333 1 year ago
@Parvenu333
I happen to love this music but if someone else doesn't, so what? I hate music snobbery: everyone has a right to like or dislike any piece of music. I think all music fans have had the experience of hearing about how great some artist/band is and then actually hearing the music and not liking it at all.
SpitamaFan 11 months ago
@Stab1l - great! Give me a hit - maybe I will start thinking this noise is actually music!!
Jazzboful 1 year ago
this is some good stuff
STAB1L 1 year ago
beautiful!!
livmoder4pri 1 year ago
Well I'm back to this video. I still see nothing in it. It reminds me of when I get migraines.
Parvenu333 1 year ago
interesting reading all these comments by people who listen then have to say how they don't appreciate free jazz.
I don't want to know why you don't like free jazz...
I love this music and Ornette for 40 years now. We all have our personal esthetic.
I see the discipline and the systematic ordering of "chaos" that is our consciousness as the fascinating method of this music. You have to listen, you have to do some work, but the rewards are well worth it.
microdot 1 year ago
Man!! i accept he's a genius but i don't dig his stuff so much yet.
Now Eric Dolphy or Evan Parker make me 'tick' more.
smoothbabic 1 year ago
Great Ornette! Youre dancing in my (our) head and body and I feel free. We are free! Freedom with Ornette!
cleverfilms65 1 year ago
...at about 2:41 he really starts to veer away from the accompanyment (which itself starts to become polytonal at around 3:20 -a bit like the opening movement of A Love Supreme). ...sorry I just keep noticing more and more goodness every time I listen to it...it's easy to miss amongst the overall mess/excitement...
MichaelJSpraggon 1 year ago
I would say that creating consistent atonality like this is easier than people think as there are lots more options than the alternative (tonal music). All you need to do is avoid consistent tonality. Think of it as travelling cross country, avoiding the 'narrow roads' of tonality. You can even cross the roads briefly as long as you don't start to follow them.
MichaelJSpraggon 1 year ago
Holy crap- Coleman's throat expands like a frog!
Fu345 1 year ago
dude ornette took bird and put him through a dankass psychedelic prism and came out with his own shit. he's got chops on the alto, but there just a lil funky.
unclejunglebass 1 year ago
Don't take the brown acid
Sidar654231 1 year ago
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The guitarist are Bern Nix and James Ulmer, Charlie Ellerbee on this tour was not involved.
fugatala 1 year ago
The guitarist are Bern Nix and James Ulmer, Charlie Ellerbee on this tour was not involved.
fugatala 1 year ago
It makes me sad inside that 22 people disliked this performance for whatever foolish reason they may have had. This is brilliant and beautiful stuff.
horseloverfatjr 1 year ago
@horseloverfatjr One more now :P
And don't call me foolish. I simply thought it was quite repetitive and not very tuneful. I am not a novice musician, and I do hear all the different instruments, rythms and notes, simply it doesn't caress my ear. I never said this was not brilliant or whatosever, it's not my job to judge such things. I might continue listening to Ornette Coleman and see if my ear gets used to it. Or maybe not.
GreenEileen 1 year ago
@GreenEileen I respect your opinion. Sorry if my comment came off as crass. People are entitled to like what they like and dislike whatever they don't like.
horseloverfatjr 1 year ago
@GreenEileen : your approach was exactly was exactly the one I chose when first exposed to Coleman. I persevered but it only further diustanced me from liking this "material". I've never met a Coleman fan who can sing a scale...really. I know some prominent Aussie jazz players who claim to like Coleman...as a standing joke, to see if their audience will slavishly agree...and they normally do !!!!...jazz has its share of dedicated followers of fashion..even of the atonal, arythmnic kind.
kevinherbert 1 year ago
@HipHopkins09 This is a comment board. I was commenting. Nowhere did I assert my opinion as an absolute.
You are defensive because you are insecure. Have a nice day.
Parvenu333 1 year ago
I really enjoy this with a cup of tea.
tommyfinke 1 year ago
I love Coleman's stuff. So great.
horseloverfatjr 1 year ago
Reminds me of that jackass, John Zorn. I don't like this.
Parvenu333 1 year ago
Definition of genius.
Asymmatrix 1 year ago
@Asymmatrix : of course you mean genius by default...can you sing a major scale?
kevinherbert 1 year ago
@kevinherbert Why would I want to.
Asymmatrix 1 year ago
He can't play the violin or the trumpet as well as he can play the alto.
007ifyable 1 year ago
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007ifyable 1 year ago
Angry Good
612franklin 1 year ago
Ornette also is greatest violin player i have ever seen
vihtorik 1 year ago
i bet ornettes IQ is somewhere about 70. or is he so intelicent, that hes act this all crappy shit and take all the money
vihtorik 1 year ago
@vihtorik By the way you have communicated, we doubt your is IQ above 40...this man is a genius and should not be disgraced by comments like yours. 2 years ago we saw him at Royce Hall in LA and thought it was the best music we've ever heard. Glad we had the chance to tell him so.
boauni 1 year ago
@boauni ok he is genius... maybe im just too dump to understand his music =)
vihtorik 1 year ago
Ornette Coleman Supreme commander of the sonic galaxy on eARTH.
You cant possibly F*** with this !
yufunk 1 year ago
Not so easy to speak about this kind of music. "I've listened to him all kinds of ways. I listened to him high, and I listened to him cold sober. I even played with him. I think he's jiving, baby" (comment by Roy Eldridge on Ornette Coleman). If one loves Ornette Coleman, that's perfect. If one finds Ornette Coleman dull, that's equally perfect. I belong to the second kind of people.
mebbio 1 year ago
The dissonance and chaos is balanced by the clear, sweet expression of melody. The rhythm pulse holds everything together. Modern classical "serial" music has nothing like this--it is almost unlistenable, while the richness and depth of Ornette's music can be appreciated with just a little effort.. As Ornette says in his album "Sound Grammar", he is seeking universal structures of sound, both of words and music. He is an intellectual and poet. Awesome!
parallelworldsguy 1 year ago
@parallelworldsguy : man, can you tell me what drugs you're taking?
kevinherbert 1 year ago
I love Ornette, but something about his violin playing, makes wonder if he's on top of that one.
snoopyflick 1 year ago
His trumpet playing is my favorite. The melody is played all through the song (bass, guitar, drums sax, violin, drums etc.,) One needs to listen to this piece a few times before dismissing it. Free jazz is not ENTIRELY free. There definitely is structure in this piece. Bravo Ornette!!!!!!!!
peppersax 1 year ago
Highly evolved sets of EARS love this!!! The album of the same name is probably my favorite Ornette album, over "shapes of things to come", "live at the full circle", "free jazz", " science fiction", "twins", etc. I had the good fortune of seeing Ornette live at the Chicago Jazz fest a few years back, and he was still on, although he didn't do any material as ground-breaking as this. I used to throw stuff like this on when I had guests over and I wanted them to leave!!!!
TheArbiter74 1 year ago
@TheArbiter74 Love your comment at the end:) CLASSIC! I must try that when I have guest that I want out also. Other classic albums to put on would be Coltrane's "Om" , Ascension or "Sunship". As an added bonus, maybe an Albert Ayler album as well. That will get those pesky people out LoL
peppersax 1 year ago
fuck u ornette .... =|
diskmp3 1 year ago
bad as fuck.
wetbackwerwolf 1 year ago
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deyvonnmac 1 year ago
to be a fan of Ornette Coleman, i think, one would have to also be a fan of Frank Zappa.
JackSchytt 1 year ago
@JackSchytt
While I can't speak for everyone, but I am a fan of both ;)
ZappaFan101 1 year ago
@JackSchytt nonsense
oocelo 1 year ago
wHAT A fuck`N crappppppppppp
slapstyler 1 year ago
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godfreyhowatchin 1 year ago
squeeker-what pretensions do you use to justify being a dumb ass
phillfoote 1 year ago
lol at people who think this sounds good or pretend to to make themselves feel like intellectuals when in reality they're dumbasses.
queekers 1 year ago
@queekers Nobody needs to hear your ignorance kid.
matthewhenson1 1 year ago
@matthewhenson1 How can one be ignorant to something that is subjective? I'd rather listen to Bird, Cannonball, Jackie McLean, Johnny Hodges, Paul Desmond, Phil Woods, Sonny Stitt, among others. . . oops am I showing my ignorance?
queekers 1 year ago
@queekers Well you're writing properly so that's an improvement. Telling me what you like listening to (all good stuff) is a totally different issue; stating that anybody who enjoys THIS is a pseudo-intellectual "dumbass" is the height of ignorance. I could write all day about the merits of this music, but in the end the most important thing for you to accept is that people do genuinely like this stuff.
matthewhenson1 1 year ago
Those who don' t understand what Coleman,Taylor,Ra,etc.are all about will find plenty of accessible music on Seseme Street.
tencooktcats 1 year ago 2
@tencooktcats Don't you be dissin' Sesame Street!
NJlo 1 year ago
@NJlo I didn't. Merely directed those with simpler tastes where they could find music more easily digested.
tencooktcats 1 year ago
Ornette is a Great Sax player, but I just cannot figure out why he plays violin or why Pat Metheny would put out Zero Tolerance For Silence. Can someone please explain the reasoning behind these great musicians desicions.
catisinthehat 1 year ago 2
this sounds like what I imagine an incredibly bad acid trip must be like.
and yet strangely i find myself listening to it fairly often.
erasedcitizen77 1 year ago 12
the saxo died?
paririo 1 year ago
i love the comments; Ornette was controversial ALWAYS LOL
FREE JAZZ FOREVER I like all music, free jazz is too illusive
WHY? CUZ YOU STUPID UNEDUMACATED AMERICANS
AND WE INVENTED JAZZ! AND FREE JAZZ!
LONG LIVE ORNETTE! Coltrane! Dolphy! Ra! ROVA! Brotzman! Gayle! WSQ!
sunra3000 1 year ago
Very deep I love it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AltoSaxBoss 1 year ago
Free Jazz can be considered an acquired taste. It really ought not to be dismissed so easily. While it seems like an endless confusion of noise, it does take a good musical sense to also have all these different things happening in the music and clashing. If one listens it with more of an open mind and get inside the music, it may grow on you. As I said, its an acquired taste. I'm not a fan of free jazz though.... I didn't know that Ornette played trumpet too!
odarrien 1 year ago 8
@odarrien The best way your average joe can enjoy free jazz is simply accept it as an endless confusion of noise.
777v666 11 months ago
Dancing In Your Head desu ne(masashiku)
yamataichi 1 year ago
ok i really like jazz - but thats just TRASH!
The bass and percussion are not at the same time and the whole thing is just musician who should practice playing his instruments and a few idiots around him... -.- damn i thought it was music
Piaggiofreak1 1 year ago
@Piaggiofreak1
who says the bass and percussion have to be at the same time ?
bassrafe 1 year ago
@Piaggiofreak1
stupid idiot !
gammaGTgammajereste 1 year ago
@Piaggiofreak1 You may like jazz, but you mustn't understand it. Or perhaps you do understand it but you have a terrible ear; your inability to feel a pulse through polyrhythms in a four piece CRACK rhythm section doesn't mean that there IS no pulse. They are playing perfectly in time. He's one of the greats, hardly needs to practice, ask Coltrane! Chops are not the be all - end all of soulful music...
matthewhenson1 1 year ago
The master!!!!
glaxl 1 year ago
@glaxl yeah- he truly is the master of the noise genre - and left handed fiddle? fugedaboudit
jazzboheavenly 1 year ago
noise. sweet sweet noise.
Jalkotsu 1 year ago
whee!
CosmicPrimitive 1 year ago
what the fuck is this:)))
Extremeradu 1 year ago
freejazz is just a bunch of wanky musicians playing whateva they want they dont play together its just a bunch of wankiness all played at once and also i like the violin but just not on this itd sound cool over some dnb or something real siknis
akolyte123 1 year ago
@akolyte123 Not exactly.....
matthewhenson1 1 year ago
I do like some or Ornette's stuff but this is unlistenable.
fendweller 1 year ago
@fendweller By free jazz standards this is easy listening! Try surrendering yourself to the sounds and feeling how much soul there is here....
matthewhenson1 1 year ago
@matthewhenson1 I don't find it as easy as, say, Endangered Species, which is about as wild as it gets with Ornette. It's that nagging riff and Denardo's stuff I can't stomach.
fendweller 1 year ago
@fendweller True its a bit harder to take that much of Ornette's stuff! Compared with Coltrane though this seems like straight ahead jazz!!
matthewhenson1 1 year ago
Personally, I cannot stand Ornette Colemans tone. And I'm listening to see if this music will click for me. I try to have an open mind. But man, Cannonball needs to show him how to make a sound on alto.
ApatheticVegnagun 1 year ago
@ApatheticVegnagun nice comment! or Paul Desmond
jazzboheavenly 1 year ago
@lawlkingser - the last time I played something this horrible, I was about 8 years old but this isn't about me. This is crap period and any real jazz musician knows it. This is the result of poor life choices. He ruined his career just like the great Miles Davis did. This perfomance makes Kenny G look good - and that ain't easy
jazzboheavenly 1 year ago
@jazzboheavenly What a load of shit. John Coltrane was a follower of Ornette, are you implying one of the highest gods of jazz is not a real jazz musician? Pat Metheny frequently sites Ornette as one of the greatest improvisational geniuses of all time. The fellow started a movement, a return to soul over intellect. Amidst the controvery which you're a part of this gentle man even managed to win a Pulitzer Prize. Pipe down or stop jumping to poorly researched conclusions.
matthewhenson1 1 year ago
this is crap! how can u call this music, its not because he can play fast and good that it sounds good, this realy stinks!
josrukker 1 year ago
@josrukker What does it mean for music to "sound good" to you? As a huge free jazz fan I will happily admit that much of it does not "sound" good. It FEELS good! Ornette's music has a soul which must be felt; unless you surrender to the sound and if you continue only to search for aesthetically "pleasing" phrases you'll be disappointed. Coltrane's free jazz must also be FELT to experience his spirituality.
matthewhenson1 1 year ago
Are you kidding me? This is Crap with a capital "C". Horrible tone on top of a thousand clams repeated incessantly.
jazzboheavenly 1 year ago
@jazzboheavenly I bet you're so much better!
LawlKingser 1 year ago
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Jazzboful 1 year ago
If you can't dig Ornette, don't worry 'bout it - you're already dead from the ears down.
PS: 'Free your mind, your ass will follow."
DannyDesperate 1 year ago
This is seriously the funniest thing I've ever heard.
Jake123557 1 year ago
@Jake123557 Turn on the radio, its a lot more amusing and a lot less soulful.
matthewhenson1 1 year ago
wow the amount of effort he put into that. He looks so tired and worn. Also does anybody see his neck inflate to a scary size? what is with that
HippyDippysaysLove 1 year ago
If you can't get into this try not watching it. Give it a chance, let yourself be carried away by the spirit of the music, the joy of sound. This is something eternally new. This is simple expression. This is basic Human Feeling! Allow your ears the freedom to be transformed!
MrRGanja 1 year ago
I love this tune but can you explain to me why he plays the violin
catisinthehat 1 year ago
@catisinthehat He used it to get a new almost distorted sound
themouseofevil 1 year ago
Almost unbelievably beautiful, but I've heard Ornette before, to the uninitiated, it probably either knock you out or sound like noise, haha, i feel sorry!
MrRGanja 1 year ago
this is caaaaaaarazy
aquilanah 1 year ago
lol at 1:44 :P
silencio363 1 year ago 26
@silencio363 Gotta love the Asians with no rhythm. Lol.
musicmanson 1 year ago
I hate to break it to you, but this is horrible! I respect ornette as a song writer. The music he writes is cool and innovative, but this does not require skill. I'm sorry that playing out of tune and with a horrid tone is not something that requires much. And violin? He's not playing it, and whatever he's doing, he's doing left handed, which doesn't exist. If it sounded good, that would be one thing, but it doesn't. so sorry
lukeybonkers94 1 year ago
@lukeybonkers94 It doesn't have to SOUND good to FEEL good...just as Coltrane's free jazz (much more intense than this) is spiritual, Ornette's small group work like this is almost infinitely soulful. Sure, not aesthetically pleasing, but so so soulful feeling IF you surrender yourself to it. Out of tune? I assume you're referring to bent, or overblown notes? Just another form of expression. If you mean out of tune relative to the band, that's not applicable...it's free jazz, thats the point!!
matthewhenson1 1 year ago
Stupendous ! and I don't generally listen to jazz...
warhols25 1 year ago
@warhols25 well, you still haven't heard any jazz if you're calling this BS jazz
jazzboheavenly 1 year ago
@jazzboheavenly probably it is so
warhols25 1 year ago
his neck is huge
protestxday 1 year ago
wow hes really giving everything... its both inspiring and baffling from the outside when someone's that far into what they're doing. Though to him its surely not baffling at all.
tayloreh 1 year ago
Yes, he is a genius. Listening to his stuff is like a whirlwind. The full title should be "Dancing in Your Head Whilst Eating Acid" He should probably leave the violin alone though. Someone was quoted as saying "He's just playing any old thing" . I'd have to agree as far as the violin goes but at least he's playing in key. You really have to be into jazz to listen to about more than 1 minute of this! I am one of those people. Mind blowing is putting it mildly LOL
thinice1 1 year ago
Genius.
Asymmatrix 1 year ago
De lo mejor que he oido desde hace bastante tiempo. Este año 2010 se cumplen 50 años del disco de ORNETTE COLEMAN : "FREE JAZZ" que dio lugar al último estilo importante del jazz . Y ORNETTE cumplirá 80 años en marzo de 2010. Para mi es uno de los 10 músicos más importantes de la Historia del JAZZ . Otro es CECIL TAYLOR,que también vive.
LEONCODAJJ 2 years ago
7:52 -"..the living legend, Mr. ORNETTE COLEMAN!!"
manuelergcruz 2 years ago
This reminds me of the song "Jazz Odyssey II" by Spinal Tap hahah
jordino123 2 years ago 2
Oh yuk yuk yuk....
smegma
As far as 909kong goes...Ornette has written string quartets, for symphony orchestras, done string arrangements...I don't think MOST musicians do a good job explaining what they are "trying to accomplish" with their music. Music is what the musician hears, not an ideology or categorization game...there is plenty of other music out there I am sure will appeal to you. This guy has been doing it for too long to assume he's a diletante.
garygomesg 2 years ago
OK, THIS is what I was looking for!!! I was actually palying Devil's Advocate to provoke some interesting comments (a little too well, in fact.)
"Shape of Jazz" and "Virgin Beauty" are two of my favorites, actually.
As far as Ornette not being able (or just not being in the mood) to explain the "theory" behind his music, i'm glad he didn't. A free association poet probably couldn't either.
909kong 2 years ago 2
@909kong Theory doesn't make music sound good. Hitting notes that sound good together with at least a decent tone does. This performance has neither. If you showed this video depicting what he would become to a young Ornette Coleman he probably would have blown his brains out
jazzboheavenly 1 year ago
@jazzboheavenly Wynton "Mr. Trad" Marsalis has gone on record saying that a beginning soloist should listen to a lot of Ornette, because it's so close to the way people originally improvised in Jazz, melodically-based...
909kong 1 year ago
@909kong When Wynton's dad talks, I listen. I remember hearing Mr. Marsalis refer to the most revered jazz trumpeter in history Satchmo as an Uncle Tom so I don't really care too much about his opinion. I'm not saying everything about Ornette Coleman stinks - I'm saying this performance is a f'ing joke and unbearable to listen to. Left handed violin??? Give me a break. The drugs did him in my friend. If you think this is good, you have no idea what jazz even is and that is a fact.
jazzboheavenly 1 year ago
@jazzboheavenly you must be a newbie or one of those cats that "shock-blog"...anyway, go down a couple of pages and read what I originally said about this piece....
909kong 1 year ago
@jazzboheavenly Not sure about your definition of good there. Sure, from an audience perspective your definition has some merit. From a players perspective it has none. I'm not sure why you feel jazz must be entirely audience driven; what is wrong with the performance of jazz as a spiritual pursuit, a la Ornette Coleman and John Coltrane?
matthewhenson1 1 year ago
It's good to see so many people responding and debating the merit of Coleman's music. Like I said some time ago, I met the man & he couldn't explain what he was trying to accomplish with his music. 'NUFF SAID!!!!
909kong 2 years ago
I really get tired of folks assuming this music takes no effort. I have played planned and prepared pieces and believe me, playing in different keys is MUCH tougher. I wish folks would really consider this.
garygomesg 2 years ago
Most people (except for Paul Bley and Gunther Schuller) didn't get Ornette when he first appeared. Coltrane got him after a while and some of Miles' "Live-Evil" stuff is influenced by Ornette. Poor Monk had major psychological issues. Apparently, Ornette did not. Ornette may be one of the few sane, drug free modern musicians.
garygomesg 2 years ago