His response is applicable in almost every area of knowledge. A baker could be considered religious of he feels he has been grasped by the rightness of bread.
Believing in something for which there is no evidence is called faith. Believing in something which has been disproved by evidence is called stupidity.
John Haught....He got destroyed by Jerry Coyne, and I see that he is still a fan his rambling and avoiding questions. He's a great example of every theologian I've ever come across.
How many neurons does it take to generate consciousness? What would happen if you were to subtract the neurons one at a time? Is the difference between a conscious state and an unconscious state a single neuron? It is evident that there are levels to consciousness in nature. It is unknown how much influence consciousness has had on the way the universe works, but there is evidence that they are linked. Consciousness is a very mysterious quality that is yet to be fully explained by anyone.
The word "homosexual" is more appropriate and accurate than the word "gay".
A person does not need religion, hatred or any kind of phobia in order to acknowledge important, qualitative differences between heterosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption and homosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption.
Homosexual activists, with complete support from the media, have succeeded at framing themselves as noble victims and martyrs; it's an effective way to push a social agenda.
@hudfadz Mother of god! All hail the student of science! You are now qualified to know everything! All hail the great enlightened debater of science! For know one can debate his vast knowledge of the universe! Woopty fuckin doo! tTake your community college degree and stick it up your ass.
@hudfadz Mother of god! All hail the student of science! You are now qualified to know everything! All hail the great enlightened debater of science! For know one can debate his vast knowledge of the universe! Woopty fuckin doo! Take your community college degree and stick it up your ass.
John Haught - make your response so vague, drawn out and mangled to the point that everyone stops listening and it's not even worth following up. NEXT
Evolutionists like to use the analogy of the incomplete mouse trap. Of course, an incomplete mouse trap can last a long time until its human DESIGNER completes it. However, a partially-evolved cell, if it could have ever got to that point, would have quickly disintegrated in the real world. It couldn't wait (or "survive") for millions of years for chance to finish or complete it and then make it living! Please read my Internet article HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM.
"Faith is the strong passion one has for some belief or idea"? People, notice how that definition has changed to accomodate the times, just like almost every idea in religion.
the problem with people claiming "ID is not science" is that its completely false. ANYTHING can be science, the problem is universities don't bother to look at either. hey ID doesn't necessarily mean a god, it could mean an extra terrestrial being, just as NOT ID doesn't mean No God... argue better Daniel...
@CPTDJB Do you really think the christians who are pushing ID actually believe it could just as easily be ETs that did the creating? There's a difference between those who believe in the "ancient astronaut" hypothesis about the development of humans as a species, those who believe in ETs "seeding" planet earth with life, & those who suppose an intelligent designer made EVERYTHING in the cosmos, including the rules of physics.
No . . . those that push ID are thinking of a "god", not ETs.
@CPTDJB It is not true that "ANYTHING can be science". Science is, in it's most basic form, study for the purposes of understanding that which is unknown. Religion is not science. Neither is unicorn training, gnome wrestling or elf wrangling. ID has been peer reviewed, as have all other scientific hypotheses, and found not to be credible. It was not dismissed out of hand or without scrutiny.
Whether you wish to admit a religious agenda or not, ID isn't science.
The universe isn't "finely tuned" to us. We are "finely tuned" to IT!!!! Get it right, deluded creationists. Gradual change & increased adaptability is a primary function/constituent of evolution.
Whenever smart people defend ID (Creationism) or question Darwin, they answer like a politician would: long, indirect responses that avoid the point. Dennett, other top Darwinians, offer simple, direct answers to these important questions.
Good for you buddy, be as angry as you like. But I was asking you why the harshness towards me? Why bother being angry at all? Just go through life matey and live it to the fullest, why waste the little time you have being angry and arrogant towards people who simply believe that there must be a intelligence behind this all? After all, at times that does seem more rational then believing that life formed a MERE 4 billion years ago in a hot soup and slowly mutated into, us.
You know exactly what you are reading, and you know exactly what I am saying regardless of how I word it. I have my own slangs so dont go pretending like a little girl.
There isn't a "directionality toward complexity." You're imagining things in terms of "better" and "worse." Evolution only pertains to "what survives." Complexity isn't necessarily an improvement. "Better fit" only applies to the changing environmental circumstances at a given time. Our complex brains were a "better fit" 1 mil yrs. ago when we developed them. Today, they are likely to lead to our extinction.
Evolution isn't random, but it doesn't work toward a goal. You should study this more.
@instereovideos ""Complexity isn't necessarily an improvement."" If so, then why species had become more complex through time? If that's so, when you plot complexity of animal orders vs time, there shouldn't be any correlation and that's not the case. ""Today, they are likely to lead to our extinction"" Exactly!!, and that's where the message comes in. We need to deny our selfish animal instincts in order to move to the next level.
All species have not become more complex over time. Some of them become more simplified. You're talking in so many circles... I'm just done. You're not making any sense. Look, just read up on evolution (a lot)... and then save your preaching for a day when you can justify it.
@instereovideos ""All species have not become more complex over time."" I never said that, I said if you plot animal orders (taxonomical orders) vs time, you would see a correlation with time.
@instereovideos ""There is no "directionality toward complexity.""" If you see the big picture, there is. If you go to the smallest (species) detail, you won't see it, like a Monet.
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Dennett believes in the soul. Try this: Daniel Dennett - The Genius of Charles Darwin: The Uncut Interviews at 3:50 Dawkins say: "a soul can emerge from soulless neurons "; that is theology at it's worst. The neo-Lamarkism selfish gene theory requires a leap of Faith bigger the Holy Trinity. I though atheists were on the evidence required side of the fence if you want to come to the Faith side please do it through the front door. Accept God. God is real, don't close your mind. God Bless.
@havvyweponsman It is your free will to believe or not as it is your free will to complete reading and understanding other people's points of view. There is no logical argument that can disprove God but there are many to support His existence. Once you realize that God's existence is reasonable, logical and likely, you will feel His manifestation and you will get your proof for His existence.
@dejesusluisx The same support for god as there is for the omnicient, omnipotant, just and loving fairy at the bottom of my garden. But my fairy does not lust for blood, for genocide, infanticide, racism, sexism or the myriad other horrors akin to the beast of the bible. Who but those who wish to be slaves would want such an entity to be real? Free will?...the same free will that your god afforded pharoah? The horrors ur god brought against millions for a crime pharoah could not resist. Evil!
@gallus1 ""fairy at the bottom of my garden"" There's only one divine consciousness first cause for the universe, if you wish to name it "fairy" or Zeus, or Vishnu, is irrelevant, that won't change the reality of His existence. Dogmas are man made and might bring you closer to Him or not, but God is real. The Bible is not meant to be read literally, many events attributed to God were done by men. Even if the death of first born was caused by God, it was brought by pharaoh's free will.
@dejesusluisx And typical of the theistic mind you refuse to read the book you so admire. If you care to read exodus again, you will find that pharoah's will was commandeered by god....pharoah had his free will taken from him...this is explicitly stated not once but each time moses spoke to this imaginary beast prior to inflicting each plague. Godwas clear to moses that he would harden pharoah's heart, thus rendering his free will impotent. As with most theists you haven't read the book.
@gallus1 ""If you care to read exodus again, you will find that pharoah's will was commandeered by god"" Once again, the books of the Bible are not a dictate word by word or God's actions, these are interpretations of God's inspiration. That is why the Bible shouldn't be interpreted literally.
Give me russia or china any day......when you die in china or russia you simply die. Your god on the other hand will have you tortured for EVER for the mearest of crimes. Remember this too, that whatever branch of the virus you are afflicted, there are many more christians believe that YOU too are going to hell. Then there is 1.2 billion Islamists who think similarly of your fate. You as much as i should be thankful there is no hell to go to.
@gallus1 ""You as much as i should be thankful there is no hell to go to."" What you, I or anyone believe don't change reality. There's no hell and there is no judgment. What people refer to as hell is the anxiety our soul suffers for knowing isn't with God when knowing it's no longer in your physical body. If you're in God's wavelength you go to God, if not, you go to the eternal darkness. Don't risk losing your soul to stubbornness, seek the truth, search for God and your quest will b rewarded
@dejesusluisx Yes, and u will redefine 'hell' yet again when the moral zeitgiest doesn't permit u to spew immoral crap and have it believed. Just as the old books are ignored for the hienous immorality it could no longer promote, christianity is already redefining, omitting and revising what was until recently God's own words. For centuries, thousands died and were 'sent' to hell on the basis of those books u'd rather not discuss any longer.
U in fact would be a fire-lighter for what u now say
@gallus1 ""what was until recently God's own words."" The only words of God in the Bible are the ones pronounced by Jesus. All others are mans words, words from the different book's authors that claim they were inspired by God. The Bible wasn't dictated, it was inspired, and inspiration from God is processed and translated by our brain, that inspiration can easily be confounded with our own thoughts. That is why you need spiritual guidance to extract the real message from the Holy books.
@dejesusluisx U're just a complete loony.Did god send 10 pleagues upon the egyptians or not? Did god kill 70,000 of king david's men by slow agonising sores or not? (for David's crime of taking a census).Did God not kill EVERY first born of every Egyptian? Did He not kill EVERY person on earth via a flood?
These are but a meagre sample of the killing God did. There are many many more without mentioning the myriad he had joshua, moses, et al commit in his name.
@gallus1 Once again you interpret the Bible literally. For such a fundamentalist view of the book is hard to imagine you as a non-believer. Most likely a fundamentalist who discovered the inconsistencies in the Bible and decided to reject the notion of a God rather than the notion of a flawed book written by men. God was before the Bible and before men. This is precisely the reason the Church was against Luther stance of letting anyone read the Bible in their own way. Luther was wrong.
@dejesusluisx If the words in the bible were as you say, inspired by god for our knowledge but at the same time not to be taken literally, especially his killings, immoral blood-lusts, His confessed blood-lusts etc...then what the fuck use is it?
You simply need to blur the text as a method of rationalizing its horrors. It is an obvious barbaric tale and you know it. But since you need a crutch to get thru life you MUST do the necessary mental gymnastics required to assuage your fears.
@gallus1 "then what the fuck use is it?" Once you start reading them without your hate and prejudice, you will see. "You simply need to blur the text as a method of rationalizing its horrors" Every coin has two sides. In my case, I understood God first, understood his essence and why we are here. After that, all other things felt into place. The horrors in the Bible are just reflections of the minds of the people in that time and what they were exposed to everyday, they just thought it was God.
@dejesusluisx You were indoctrinated first, from then on you didn't have the reasoned thinking to free yourself...simple.
You asked for examples from the bible re killings by god's hand. I gave you a few of many on offer. That you required evidence of such horrors proves how little you know. Anyone but a fuck-witted moron would be embarrassed to ask such a question.
If these killings were a figment of the imaginings men, then what value the bible?
@gallus1 ""You were indoctrinated first, from then on you didn't have the reasoned thinking to free yourself...simple"" I was a non-believer until God touched my heart.
""Anyone but a fuck-witted moron would be embarrassed to ask such a question."" Not really, even if those killings happened as stated in the Bible (which I don't buy for a minute) they were caused by men free will. Man always has an option, I just wanted for you to realize that. You need to be transformed to see the value in it.
@dejesusluisx So when GOD inspired these men to write about the hundreds of thousands of killings He perpetrated Himself....He was just pulling their legs?
Aw get your ignorant arse to fuck...you're not merely a fuck-wit but a scumbag.
@gallus1 ""He was just pulling their legs?"" No, all stories have a logical explanation, is just that we will never know for sure. What I am certain is that they didn't happen as described, since that would be contrary to God's nature.
@dejesusluisx Ur telling me God inspired men to write these things which for thousands of years have been the cause of millions of deaths. U would be among those victims had you uttered what you say now.
What sort of moron doesn't believe the 'inspired words of God' but somehow believes his own cleansed notion of it?
Frankly you're a waste of time. A scumbag who'd poison others with his delusions regardless of the consequences.
Since God doesnt exist and u do, ur genuinely evil
@gallus1 ""doesn't believe the 'inspired words of God'"" There are parts of the Bible which ought to be followed to the letter and parts that doesn't, only wise people inspired by the Holy spirit can tell the difference. ""Since God doesnt exist and u do, ur genuinely evil"" The real evil is all kind of behavior that is aimed to please our selfish animal instincts (distinct from our survival instincts). The anger you show in your text is an example of that. Being 100% human mean rejecting those.
@dejesusluisx What an arrogant arsehole you are...typically. Only the 'wise' can tell the difference? And of course you count yourself in that number. What utter shite. You should get on your knees and thank your lucky stars that we atheists are not of the same mentality that theists historically are...or we'd burn you at the stake.
You're so far up your own arse you're in complete darkness. An uncanny willingness to remain ignorant in the face of all evidence that you are ignorant.
@gallus1 ""or we'd burn you at the stake."" Of course, and that was the same fate the early Christians suffered at the Roman polytheists; the only things that have changed are the name of the gods. Today's gods are money, fame, power and material things. It is your choice how you live your life, no one, not even God can made you change you change your mind, that's a decision you have to take yourself. I can only pray for you to be enlightened. God is real, regardless your care to admit it or not
@gallus1 ""Even if He existed, I'd want nothing to do with the evil beast nor his fuck-witted followers."" Dealing with God only mean dealing with yourself, dealing with your desires, weaknesses and fears; dealing with your animal instincts and with your up-most desire to be 100% human, to be free from anger, selfishness, materialism. If you don't care to deal with God you will never get to know your true self and what you're capable of. I'll keep praying for you, regardless.
@dejesusluisx Lastly, for ur nothing but a filthy delusional moron. U merely wish i was angry. Nothing an ignoramus of ur standing can say will bring me to anger. What u wish is anger is nought but a deep disgust. U do however strengthen my desire to do my utmost to ridicule and shame low-life's such as u.
If ur God exists and has chosen a lame-brained arsehole like you to represent Him, then i want less to do with such a beast than i did prior.
@gallus1 ""Lastly, for ur nothing but a filthy delusional moron. U merely wish i was angry." really? so, that means you are not angry now? WOW!, well, you should thank the Lord you're not angry because if you were, you would be biting the screen off the computer. I'm really curious about your anger, I wonder if you had a very negative experience with the church. It almost seem pathological. I can only hope and pray you see the light.
@dejesusluisx As said, the only thing you detect from me is a deep disgust at the inhumanity of the theistic mind. But your scrambling attempt to imirror your own anger on me betrays both frustration and the inability to make a reasoned rebuttal.
PS.....If you must insist on defying my wishes regarding prayer, i reserve the reciprocal right to summon satan on your behalf. Fairs fair afterall.
@gallus1 "a deep disgust at the inhumanity of the theistic mind." interesting... inhumanity? how's so? why? BTW, a disgust is a milder form of anger, rooted in the same fears. "mirror your own anger on me" what gives you the impression I'm angry? or is it that you assume I should be angry because of your insults. FYI, I'm not angry. Are you? Do you fell threatened? "to summon satan" Personally I don't believe in anthropomorphizing evil. Is hard to imagine an atheist doing so, are you an atheist?
@dejesusluisx You betray ur anger by morroring it onto me. Disgust at no time means anger. It is defined by intense dislike. But given your tendancy to arbitrarily create a new concept of god its no surprise that you do likewise with redefining the english dictionary.
Silly of me to forget that you know which parts of the bible convey what god genuinely inspired and what he didnt. It is odd that all His killing via slow torture are those that you deem unpalatable to be truly God's deeds.
@gallus1 ""you know which parts of the bible convey what god genuinely inspired and what he didnt."" Obviously someone that knows and understands God's message will differentiate better that someone that doesn't. Pretending to read the Bible without being in God's grace is like for you pretending to read "La fiesta del Chivo" with one internet Spanish lesson. Your insistence in clinging to the literal details distracts you from the essence of the message and renders your argument useless.
@dejesusluisx Ur anger stems from the ease of ridiculing ur new version of God.That u could publicly state that the horrible bits that God himself committed, and inspired to be written, were not His but mens' is not worthy of convincing a 7 year old.This is why u must get your sticky hands on children even younger.Have them indoctrinated before their minds have matured and see thru ur witchcraft.
But i dont need to believe in satan, all thats required is u to believe it. He's gonna get u!
@gallus1 ""But i dont need to believe in satan, all thats required is u to believe it. He's gonna get u!"" Are you serious? How old are you? 10? If you don't care to open your eyes, is your choice, just don't go around blaming God for it. God had tried many times to make you understand, He uses other people for that purpose. You have been given the message, what you do with it is your problem. I'll keep praying... you really need it.
@dejesusluisx How thick is that skull on top of ur neck? I'm not blaming god....Dont u get it dumbarse, God is a figment of your infantile imagination. I cant blame something that doesn't exist but u are living proof that if ur gullible and needy enough to believe in the witchcraft, it will cause mental anguish. Uv demonstrably never read ur god's book yet inside ur little mind u have rationalized u know Him and his nature. It takes an atheist to educate u...and i feel your pain and anguish.
@gallus1 ""God is a figment of your infantile imagination."" This figment of my imagination showed me how gravity and electromagnetism works, something no scientist to this date knows. How can someone be so sure of something never experienced? I fell like I'm talking to someone trying to describe me my own hometown without having ever set foot in it. BTW, your demeaning adjectives only makes you look less intelligent and your argument weaker.
@dejesusluisx Never mind the gobbledegook, how about enlightening me with your confessed wisdom and explain the meaning of the afore mentioned Heavenly commands....you know, the ones that entailed the slaughter and subsequent sex-slave fun.
If God showed you how gravity and electromagnetism worked, but kept it from every other religious man in history, I'm excited that you'll have no trouble in giving me your take on the child-rape in particular..... i can hardly wait for your reply...lol.
@gallus1 ""explain the meaning of the afore mentioned Heavenly commands"" As I said, they weren't heavenly commands, they just used God's name to assure the armies fulfill the commands without remorse.
""kept it from every other religious man in history,"" things happen in God's time, not in ours, if He didn't is because we weren't ready. God showed me these things as a "royal seal" for me to believe the real important message He gave me about salvation.
@dejesusluisx So God didn't command it, despite the book being His inspiration?
Then the book is worthless.
But you declare u know which passage is His and what is human works?
Only the deluded can believe such tripe but u go further, u say He divulged how gravity and electromagnetism works..solely to u!
Fuck, my only reason for spending so much time with ur idiocy was to see how deep u could dig the hole u got urself in. But uv excelled my wildest dreams. Hilarious. A nut job of 1st order
@gallus1 What do you understand by God's inspiration? I think our misunderstanding lies in that definition. God can inspire you to draw a river and you might draw a battle with blood flowing like a river. God's inspirations don't have much details is up to us to provide a frame for them; is our knowledge, experience, upbringing, and environment that provides much of that frame. I don't expect you to believe me, I just expect you to think seriously about this before is too late.
@dejesusluisx I gotta thank u for the fun. Not just for me in my life-time did i think Isaac Newton had something to do with the theory of gravity, but for hundreds of years the entire world thought so too. But all of us were wrong, it was u that got the info via direct revelation from God Almighty!!
Some less inspired people will think you might be a bit picky regards what is God's word and what is man's, but thanks to u we're all enlightened. Tee Hee. lol. thank you! thank you! haw haw haw
@gallus1 ""But all of us were wrong,"" Not really, not knowing how something works is not the same as describing it. Newton described gravity mathematically but didn't know how it works. Einstein corrected Newtons math, but felt short in explaining the mechanism. To this date scientists are looking for a hypothetical particle (graviton) through which they theorize is the way gravity works. The reality is no one knows. Look it up, you might actually learn something.
@gallus1 ""What they're looking for is the theory that will link the quantum reality with the macro."" They do, but that is not what I'm talking about. Try to get the answer to this question: does gravity pull or push and how? It's the mechanics of HOW gravity acts what is unknown.
@dejesusluisx Whats the point dumb-arse, God has chosen u to receive the the theory via divine revelation. Now what?....are you gonna keep it secret all to urself. Or perhaps with the Nobel prize for physics and the billions that will inevitably come ur way, u could feed the billions that your god doesn't give a rats ass about. But then God must have yet another immoral reason for not feeding His Creation and u'd feel obliged not to interfere with His plans.
@gallus1 "God must have yet another immoral reason for not feeding His Creation" What are you, a fish in a fishbowl that needs to be fed? God gave us the intelligence and resources to feed ourselves. There's more than enough food produced in the world feed everybody, only greed, capitalism, and our selfishness animal instincts prevent it to reach the needy. "you gonna keep it secret all to urself." Your soul salvation is more important, all the knowledge we gain is useless if we lose our soul.
@dejesusluisx You imbecile. This is the precise evil i've heard from the idiotic theist since i was old enough to understand the english language.
I dont give a monkey's abortion what the reasons may be that millions, tens of millions starve each year....THAT MISSES THE FUCKING POINT YOU EVIL LITTLE FUCK-TARD.
The point is that those who are starving are not hungry thru any fault of their own! Thus, they, more than self-apponted prophets like you need god...any fucking God to feed them!
@gallus1 ""those who are starving are not hungry thru any fault of their own! Thus, they, more than self-apponted prophets like you need god...any fucking God to feed them!"" They need God for the food of their soul, they need God inspired men to help them cultivate, prepare irrigation channels, dig water wells, and set up a system for them to feed themselves. Hundreds of churches do that everyday.
@dejesusluisx For the sake of THIS argument, Allow me to concede the existance of ur God......SO WHY DOES HE DO SWEET FUCK ALL TO FEED THOSE INNOCENTS!...ITS NOT THEIR FUCKING FAULT CAPITALISM, SELFISHNESS...OR ANY HUMAN TRAIT U'D LIKE TO BLAME, CAUSES THEIR SUFFERING.... YOU, AS IS AN APPARENT PREREQUISITE OF THEISM, SIMPLY IGNORE THE FUCKING OBVIOUS....BECAUSE YOU ARE SICK IN THE HEAD. BLINDED BY THE FEAR OF REASONED THOUGHT.
ANOTHER PROOF OF YOUR EVIL IDEOLOGY. FUCK YOU, FUCK YOUR GOD!
@gallus1 ""ITS NOT THEIR FUCKING FAULT"" No is not their fault, is the free will of capitalists. In the same way it wasn't the fault of the any of the12 million people Hitler sent to the gas chambers. It was Hitler's fault. God doesn't intervene with free will, regardless it might costs the life of 12 million or 100 million. We need to start assuming our responsibilities as a race possessing the most precious gift: consciousness instead of blaming God for it.
@dejesusluisx Fuck capitalists, fuck hitler.What sort of arse is a god that cant rid us of those u say cause injustice? He had no hesitation in wiping out the afore mentioned cities of 'Everything that breathes' in order to plant a bunch of desert wanderers. Sparing only prepubescent virgins as sex slaves. But He cant intervene to feed and protect those innocent millions who die EVERY year? U epitomise Voltaire's view that once convinced of an absurdity, u will commit an attrocity in its name
@gallus1 ""What sort of arse is a god that cant rid us of those u say cause injustice?"" The purpose of our creation was to have a self programing brain that results in the development of free will. God would not interfere with free will the same way you would not smoke in a special pure room in your house you designed to breathe pure air. The more you quote literally passages of the old testament as if they were true to the last dot, the more confused you will be, guaranteed.
@dejesusluisx I've listened to many a perverse theist, but ur right up there.
Reasoning and rational thought along with the evil books of the Beast Yahweh are the atheist's best weapons, but theists like u convert many fence-sitters to the atheistic cause just as well.
For this reason, and over and above the chance to rip the shit outta u, u did my job.
U need a prayer, but for urself, for u must surely have pushed many toward my side of the fence.
@gallus1 ""have pushed many toward my side of the fence."" what I understand from that phrase is that you are a proud recruiter for your atheist religion. Why change one religion for another? You are really lost, if you ever decide to learn something, I'll be glad to help. For now, I can only advise professional help in your case.
@dejesusluisx Ur vile irrationality is proof positive that theists must never again be allowed the power long lost.
Too slow are we in improving the lot of the less fortunate, no mistake. But advancement in human welfare has improved more under the strong arms of science, free and reasoned thought, and a moral zietgeist which has advanced more in the last 200 years than ur imaginary evil doctrines managed in the previous 4 millennia.
@gallus1 ""theists must never again be allowed the power long lost."" The day an atheist run the USA will mark the beginning of the end. I'm ready for it, unfortunately by the time you figure out the consequences of that action, it will be too late. ""But advancement in human welfare has improved more under the strong arms of science"" new agricultural discoveries are patented, further widening the gap between the rich and poor. Capitalism owns science. Open your eyes.
@dejesusluisx You're a clown. The United States have already had atheists as presidents. The founding fathers, the writers of the constitution were mostly atheistic or deist. Hence the insistance of the seperation of church and state. I'm niether a theist nor American but it know more about both the authors of the Constitution and your evil bible than your insularity will ever allow.
You just cant help urself. Every time u open ur mouth, the out-pouring of excretor is astounding.
@gallus1 ""the writers of the constitution were mostly atheistic or deist."" Of course not, quite the contrary. Even the dollar has written in God we trust. The USA was founded as a consequence of religious prosecution, that is why the founding fathers wanted to guarantee religious freedom by not letting government interfere. Is amazing how sure you are of things completely alien to you. The only way you could start to understand anything is by recognizing how little you know and be humble.
@dejesusluisx You moron. 'In God we Trust' was adopted as the US Motto in 1956 and appeared on paper bills in 1957. on coins almost 100 years after the founding of the Nation. The founding of the US of A had nothing to do with religious persecution....you ignorant nut-job. LOL. Further, the Seperation of Church and State was an effort to prevent the persecutuion of one religious sect upon another. You ignorant tool.
Jefferson was one of many signatories who considered ur God a thug.
@gallus1 "adopted as the US Motto in 1956" So? I said: "Even the dollar has written in God we trust.", what's your point? "the Seperation of Church and State was an effort to prevent the persecutuion of one religious sect upon another." Of course, in the event one sect gains control of the government. You only understand what you want to understand. Jefferson was a believer, he was opposed to organized religion since it was a powerful and sometimes tyrannical force in those days. U need to learn
@dejesusluisx Atheism.....if u look up a dictionary, is nothing more than a 'lack' of belief. There are no doctrines or dogmas. Apologists have long failed to use that idiotic 'its just another religion' argument as a weapon. Its that kind of impotence that pervades the theistic argument, which in turn illuminates the reasons why atheist numbers are growing.
Your angst and frustration is so palpable .....i really feel your pain.
If u had any moral fibre u'd shamed and humiliated.
@gallus1 A religion is an organized faith. When you claim there is no God without any evidence, you are making a faith statement. There are atheists conventions, programs, seminars, instructional videos, etc., which indicates is an organized movement. You talk about God and substitute Him for science. Furthermore you try to convince and recruit people for your cause? What other evidence you need to realize you are part of a new cult? Open your eyes.
@dejesusluisx More shite.Since when has 'group' been a synonym for religion? First read the bible, next try a dictionary...you imbecilic scum-bag. If Capitalism owns science, and i wont refute it here, it proves that Capitalism does a better job than religion ever did.
Its uncomplicated. The religious heirarchy have long known the best way to maintain the masses is to keep them poor, women subservient and everyone ignorant. Look how it worked on u.
@gallus1 ""it proves that Capitalism does a better job than religion ever did."" Money corrupts everything and the only way to avoid it is at a personal level by living in God's grace. No organization is immune, money also corrupts religion. Seems to me the only one that doesn't know this reality is you. ""The religious heirarchy..." they are men, and as such are subject to corruption and sin. God was before religion, before the Bible and even before men. You can only trust Him and no one else.
@dejesusluisx Whatever the faults of Capitalism, the last 200 years of it has given the Western world a better standard of living, a fairer standard of governance than even the wealthiest King or Pope had prior to the Enlightenment. As for a 'new cult', its only new to u americans....religion has been relegated to a quaint pass-time thru out the Western World for over 100 years. There is much to admire of the US but ignorant insularity pervades too many.
@gallus1 ""religion has been relegated to a quaint pass-time thru out the Western World for over 100 years"" So? That only suggests there are more souls lost there than anywhere else. What are you trying to prove? About 80% of the population of the world have some sort of religious belief. If European want to lose their soul, they have the freedom to do it. We are all accountable for our actions.
@dejesusluisx As a pernicious little creton, you have nothing but unadulterated shit to offer. I'd insist on a tuition fee in order to educate you further. Tho in truth, no remuneration could be worth putting up with the inane and vile mental gymnastics you must spew.
Read the vile books of your god, then ask yourself fairly, what sort of monster 'inspires' this shite?
@gallus1 ""Read the vile books of your god, then ask yourself fairly, what sort of monster 'inspires' this shite"" I don't suggest you do the same because you are not prepared. You are very confused, and in need of all the help you can get. I feel sorry for the life you're living, I have done all I can to help you but one cannot help someone that doesn't want to be helped. I can just pray for your soul. There is always hope, and I can only hope one day you can open your eyes and see the light.
Your ignorance knows no bounds. This of course is a prerequisite, for only one of such astounding ignorance could possibly utter so much nonsense.
PS.... If u want to talk percentages....less than 25% of the worlds population is christian. The Largest christian denomination (R.C) makes up approx 3\4 of that 25%.
Thus, More than 75% of the world's population disbelieve ur shit too.
Ur not merely at odds with Muslims, Hindus, Bhuddists, but almost all christians too. 2 funny
@gallus1 ""Thus, More than 75% of the world's population disbelieve ur shit too."" They disbelieve the Christian dogma, not God. As I said, God was before religion, before the Bible and before men. Dogmas are man made and can be disbelieved, but God is real.
@dejesusluisx You're just a fucking idiot. If Satan existed, he'd have the rule over your sadistic, misogynistic, genocidal, infanicidal, omni-malevolent, blood-lusting, slaver and torturous bully.
You know no more of the advent of your constitution than you do about the afore mentioned comic character.
I'll kick the prick in the balls and ditch him in Hell...where he belongs.
@gallus1 I really feel pity for you, unfortunately your ignorant attempt to blame God for your lack of belief won't help you when the time to meet your maker comes. My mission was to give you the message, I did, so my mission is accomplished. What you do with this information is your choice. God doesn't want you to lose your soul but you are cutting all lifelines thrown at you. Is all your choice and you had been warned. You still have time. God Bless.
Lightning was once thought to be God’s wrath, but turned out to be the unintelligent outcome of mindless natural forces. We once thought an intelligent being must have arranged and maintained the amazingly ordered motions of the solar system, but now we know it’s all the inevitable outcome of mindless natural forces. Disease was once thought to be the mischief of supernatural demons. Now we know that unintelligent organisms are the cause, infecting us via mindless natural forces.
@gallus1 ""mindless natural force"" and how exactly can you be sure is mindless? how exactly can nature design laws? how can nature create a force that moves in one direction rather than randomly? how exactly you propose the universe was created? out of nothing?
God is everywhere, the fact that we are able to decipher embedded mathematical laws in all the creation is one more reason to believe, not the contrary.
@dejesusluisx In case after case, without exception, the trend has been to find that purely natural causes underlie any phenomena. Not once has the cause of anything turned out to really be God’s wrath or intelligent meddling, or demonic mischief, or anything supernatural at all. The collective weight of these observations is enormous: supernaturalism has been tested at least a million times and has always lost;
@gallus1 "purely natural causes underlie any phenomena."" yes, and depending how you define it, God is a natural force. ""or anything supernatural at all"" The Amer Heritage Dict. defines supernatural as "relating to existence outside the natural world". If God created the universe and exists all around us, He is part of the natural world. On the other hand a self programing brain (ours) is nowhere else found in nature, so we are supernatural. We can play with definitions all day and get nowhere
@dejesusluisx You arse...if god did it then it isnt 'natural' but supernatural, by definition. You however can, as you do, reinvent definitions to suit yourself, and its obvious this is sufficient and necessary for you to believe. But your delusions are no help to any but yourself.
@gallus1 "if god did it then it isnt 'natural' but supernatural, by definition." God created the universe and all laws within it, why would He violate the perfect laws and natural mechanisms He created? It doesn't make sense. All things God do, he does using His creation, His laws and therefore are natural occurrences. Some miracles might be viewed as supernatural, but we don't know or haven't witness them to acknowledge if natural forces came into action. Is consciousness supernatural?
@dejesusluisx According to the bible and the Koran, to give credence to one is anathema to the other. This may not sit well with you...you who thinks its ok to redefine anything your god inspired...but what you think does not alter any facts.
The only thing u can accomplish is to pretend you know what it means. The utter tripe u are willing to put into print is an indictment on ur mentality. That u r ignorant to the cringing inanities u say does not negate the fact u say them. U are nullity.
@gallus1 ""to the bible and the Koran, to give credence to one is anathema to the other."" The Bible don't mention the Holy Quran since it was written later. Allah is the God of Abraham, hence the same God we worship. They just see Jesus as a prophet, not as God. Open your eyes.
@dejesusluisx But u almost said something worthwhile, tho i suspect unwittingly. It is true, the whole thing 'doesn't make sense!!'.....if u can follow that idea thru you'll stop being a complete fuck-wit. In truth, i appreciate u are a lost cause. If the truth hit you, you'd shit your pants and find a new imaginary fiend for comfort. Afterall, every concept u have of Yahweh is a figment of ur meagre imagination. Constructing another fantasy will come easy to child-like minds such as yours.
@gallus1 ""It is true, the whole thing 'doesn't make sense!!'."" I'm referring to the idea or concept you and all fundamentalists have of God. Your fundamentalism is the reason why you're a non-believer. I'm sure now you're too focused on trying to win an argument, so you won't see it, but I hope in the future, you give this some serious thought and you'll open your eyes.
@dejesusluisx This will come as a shock to one so ignorant, but if u voiced ur ideas not so long ago, the very piety u acclaim would have u burnt. Christians like muslims kill other versions of the same virus as much as they do non-belief....in fact more so. It was not the pious that put a stop to such barbary, but the men of The Enlightenment, engendered by secular thinking individuals. Be there life after death,to those wise men and women should u get on ur knees.Thank them, & to hell with God
@gallus1 ""the very piety u acclaim would have u burnt"" of course, as thousands of the early Christians were tortured, used as entertainment to be killed by lions, or crucified. "but the men of The Enlightenment" If I remember my history correctly, the leading figures of the enlightenment, Kant, Hume, Descartes and Newton, were all believers. If you like the period, read more about their philosophy. "Be there life after death" if you think or wish there's some sort of afterlife, there's a God.
@dejesusluisx. Naturalism has been tested at least a million times and has always won. A horse that runs a million races and never loses is about to run yet another race with a horse that has lost every single one of the million races it has run. Which horse should we bet on? The answer is obvious.
PS....i dont believe in magic or your magic spells, thus ur prayer is for your weak minded gullability only.
@gallus1 ""Which horse should we bet on?"" Well, if you want to bet your soul in a horse race go ahead, but don't say later you weren't warned. In this bet I'm making, I have nothing to lose and an eternity to gain. In your bet you have nothing to gain and an eternity to lose. To quote your own words: ""The answer is obvious"" Don't you think?
@dejesusluisx This is the idiocy of the hard of thinking yet again.U open your mouth and utter shite spews from it. Pray tell, theist, what is the consequences of your belief if it be Allah and not Yahweh, or ANY of the 30,000 gods that remain extant today that is the 'true' God? You will find yourself in perpetual agony for willful ignorance. The Koran condemns those who say Jesus is devine. I can at least claim honest disbelief. Ur faith is nought but smug hope. U however are an ignorant tool.
@gallus1 ""what is the consequences of your belief if it be Allah and not Yahweh"" None, as long as you are one with the divine consciousness, as long as you are in God's wavelength, you will be saved. The name of God is not important, living the message is what's important. ""The Koran condemns those who say Jesus is devine."" You can be condemn for what you do (or don't do) more than for what you say. "claim honest disbelief" sorry but saying "hell with god" isn't disbelief, is militant evil.
@dejesusluisx To think u can discard the immoral practices AND reinterpret the rest of "god's book' is advertizing urself as a crank. It stands or falls as it is written. Attempting to rationalize or ignore it in its entirity is guilt of deceit. The solipsism and mental gymnastics required to facilitate belief is to deny the faculties any creator-god imbued on us. If a book was written for us by a loving creator, how obvious it would be! Yet what we have is a book of horrors.
@gallus1 ""It stands or falls as it is written."" That is called fundamentalism and is narrow minded to say the least. Only uneducated Christians and atheists believe that is the way the Bible is supposed to be read. "If a book was written for us by a loving creator" and who told you God wrote the Bible? The Bible was written by many men over many centuries. God inspired most authors in their writing but God inspiration is filtered by our brain and our knowledge. The outcome needs interpretation
@dejesusluisx Only those who cannot impose the commands of that evil book, as the godly did until the wisdom of reasoned and thoughtful men of The Enlightenment ripped the power from them, look for a way of rationalizing and redefining it to assuage the immoral codes therin. Only the weak-minded would want to be anslaved again, both by the godly and the evil and immorality espoused in the book. When God inspires one to kill innocents, time and time again, there is no ambiguity.
@gallus1 ""When God inspires one to kill innocents, time and time again, there is no ambiguity."" We already when through this, killing is man's work falsely attributed to God. ""men of The Enlightenment ripped the power from them"" once again, read their work, the key figures of that time were believers. Open your eyes.
@dejesusluisx It was ur evil feind that killed them, not men....read his book and learn something. When God's inspired book says God killed every Egyptian first born, or that he drowned every living person but one family, there is no point u denying this is what the inspired book says...inspired by ur god. What use a book from god if u decide to ignore it?
You think by opening and shutting ur mouth and letting shite spew, ur answering. ur as thick as shite..2 funny
@dejesusluisx Hume was no theist ....Newton, a man of his time spent more time as an alchemist that a scientist....he was wrong about his alchemy as he was about his god...which was only slightly less stupid than ur idea. Kant felt the 'idea' of a god was necessary for the masses. Descartes, he was pre Enlightenment and he was condemned for having no use of God by his contemporaries. Any token utterances were to save himself from murdering theists.
@gallus1 ""Any token utterances were to save himself from murdering theists."" Their work is there and so are their continuous references to the divine and their reverence towards it, you just have to read it. Believe whatever you want, is your free will, just be sure to brace for the consequences.
@dejesusluisx Ur God states clearly the penalties for worshipping another god. Insist that Jesus is God in any number of madrases and u'll be clubbed to death....try it....please.
The Koran's view on christianity...didn't u know ur an infidel in their eyes...where have u been dumb-arse?.....open ur eyes,...better still open a book, read, and shut ur trap....u might learn something...if u can find someone to explain the big words to u.
@gallus1 ""didn't u know ur an infidel in their eyes"" yes, and the Bible say we have to kill people that work on the rest day. Only fundamentalists like you actually follows that line of thought.
@instereovideos In case after case, without exception, the trend has been to find that purely natural causes underlie any phenomena. Not once has the cause of anything turned out to really be God’s wrath or intelligent meddling, or demonic mischief, or anything supernatural at all. The collective weight of these observations is enormous: supernaturalism has been tested at least a million times and has always lost;
@gallus1 Thanks, but obviously I don't need to be convinced of that. I'm also not trying to start an atheist gang to team up on a creationist in a comment thread. Just trying to see if dejesusluisx can follow his own line of reasoning.
@instereovideos Religions, as we know them today, are organizations centered around some core beliefs in the divine. The answer to your question will change depending on your definition of religion. When I say God came before religion, I refer to modern organized religions: Judaism, Catholicism, Islam, etc. Before Yahweh, there were other Gods in man's quest for understanding the divine. Isolated tribes had been know to worship elements and ancestors, man had always shown a wiring for the divine
@dejesusluisx No, I want the answer based on YOUR definition of religion. But I think I already have my answer. You don't seem to understand it, but we do have a "wiring" for believing in superstitious things and supernatural characters of our own invention. It's a product of our evolution.
If you don't buy into "dogma," then how do you know anything about God? How do you know that we have to "see the light?" Everything you think you know about God is based on a modern religious claim.
@instereovideos ""Everything you think you know about God is based on a modern religious"" Well, not exactly, see I was a non-believer, until I decided to give my faith a chance and I received more than what I bargain for. I didn't agree with the concept of God portrayed in the Bible, that's why I was a non-believer. But I received revelations, visions that re-defined that concept. Now I have been going back and discovering the this was all along in the Bible, is just a matter of interpretation
Well that's the tricky part, dejesus. No one can prove that you didn't receive "revelations." The thing is, why should that matter to anyone but you? Everyone has strange experiences, that does not mean "Yaweh led the slaves out of Egypt."
But just saying "The Bible is a matter of interpretation" doesn't get you off the hook. You're preaching, telling people to "open their eyes." So why don't you explain what that means, and give your justification for why we should believe it.
His response is applicable in almost every area of knowledge. A baker could be considered religious of he feels he has been grasped by the rightness of bread.
ArkonosAQW 1 day ago
his response just proves how religion is man made.
TheFatgazelle 2 weeks ago
well thats one way to say a whole lot of nothing
minkr1 3 weeks ago
Believing in something for which there is no evidence is called faith. Believing in something which has been disproved by evidence is called stupidity.
gigisdad 4 weeks ago
John Haught....He got destroyed by Jerry Coyne, and I see that he is still a fan his rambling and avoiding questions. He's a great example of every theologian I've ever come across.
jordaniac89 1 month ago
How many neurons does it take to generate consciousness? What would happen if you were to subtract the neurons one at a time? Is the difference between a conscious state and an unconscious state a single neuron? It is evident that there are levels to consciousness in nature. It is unknown how much influence consciousness has had on the way the universe works, but there is evidence that they are linked. Consciousness is a very mysterious quality that is yet to be fully explained by anyone.
1simonmatthews 1 month ago
Ok so what is the answer?
zellfalcon31 1 month ago
when he´s gonna answer the question?
Analice29 3 months ago
Outstanding question.
friedie1jeff 3 months ago
it was a "yes or no" question...
chadwick0091 3 months ago
Fruitgod- I was so much older then; I'm younger than that now... It sounds like you my PRIMATE
hdtwoodsman 3 months ago
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The word "homosexual" is more appropriate and accurate than the word "gay".
A person does not need religion, hatred or any kind of phobia in order to acknowledge important, qualitative differences between heterosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption and homosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption.
Homosexual activists, with complete support from the media, have succeeded at framing themselves as noble victims and martyrs; it's an effective way to push a social agenda.
lightandbeautiful 4 months ago
this proves how theology is the art of bullshitting
hobaleo 5 months ago
@clementedelacuadra
I am a student of science.
hudfadz 5 months ago
@hudfadz Mother of god! All hail the student of science! You are now qualified to know everything! All hail the great enlightened debater of science! For know one can debate his vast knowledge of the universe! Woopty fuckin doo! tTake your community college degree and stick it up your ass.
OldManNipples 5 months ago
@hudfadz Mother of god! All hail the student of science! You are now qualified to know everything! All hail the great enlightened debater of science! For know one can debate his vast knowledge of the universe! Woopty fuckin doo! Take your community college degree and stick it up your ass.
OldManNipples 5 months ago
@OldManNipples
Have I done something wrong to you? Why the harshness?
Did I say I am qualified to know everything? Did I claim to be a great debater? Did I say that I had vast knowledge of the universe?
Where are you pulling all this out from buddy? Why are you so angry? Just another typical angry atheist I say.
hudfadz 4 months ago
John Haught - make your response so vague, drawn out and mangled to the point that everyone stops listening and it's not even worth following up. NEXT
paolovf 5 months ago
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Evolutionists like to use the analogy of the incomplete mouse trap. Of course, an incomplete mouse trap can last a long time until its human DESIGNER completes it. However, a partially-evolved cell, if it could have ever got to that point, would have quickly disintegrated in the real world. It couldn't wait (or "survive") for millions of years for chance to finish or complete it and then make it living! Please read my Internet article HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM.
Mogley52 5 months ago
"Faith is the strong passion one has for some belief or idea"? People, notice how that definition has changed to accomodate the times, just like almost every idea in religion.
nlytend1 5 months ago
Theology is so utterly vacuous...
ClumsyRoot 6 months ago
Haught is a bore.
FaganRoberts 6 months ago
the problem with people claiming "ID is not science" is that its completely false. ANYTHING can be science, the problem is universities don't bother to look at either. hey ID doesn't necessarily mean a god, it could mean an extra terrestrial being, just as NOT ID doesn't mean No God... argue better Daniel...
CPTDJB 6 months ago
@CPTDJB Do you really think the christians who are pushing ID actually believe it could just as easily be ETs that did the creating? There's a difference between those who believe in the "ancient astronaut" hypothesis about the development of humans as a species, those who believe in ETs "seeding" planet earth with life, & those who suppose an intelligent designer made EVERYTHING in the cosmos, including the rules of physics.
No . . . those that push ID are thinking of a "god", not ETs.
rmcdaniel423 6 months ago
@CPTDJB It is not true that "ANYTHING can be science". Science is, in it's most basic form, study for the purposes of understanding that which is unknown. Religion is not science. Neither is unicorn training, gnome wrestling or elf wrangling. ID has been peer reviewed, as have all other scientific hypotheses, and found not to be credible. It was not dismissed out of hand or without scrutiny.
Whether you wish to admit a religious agenda or not, ID isn't science.
ciaochowbella 5 months ago
The universe isn't "finely tuned" to us. We are "finely tuned" to IT!!!! Get it right, deluded creationists. Gradual change & increased adaptability is a primary function/constituent of evolution.
mouthyweasel 6 months ago
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Way to not answer the question, dickbag.
CorndogRocket 6 months ago
Whenever smart people defend ID (Creationism) or question Darwin, they answer like a politician would: long, indirect responses that avoid the point. Dennett, other top Darwinians, offer simple, direct answers to these important questions.
hdtwoodsman 6 months ago 37
@hdtwoodsman Have you seen Stephen C. Meyer?
GuitarGuy22221 5 months ago
@hdtwoodsman
Rubbish
hudfadz 5 months ago
@hudfadz I'd rather be an angry atheist than an ignorant creationist.
OldManNipples 4 months ago 2
@OldManNipples
Good for you buddy, be as angry as you like. But I was asking you why the harshness towards me? Why bother being angry at all? Just go through life matey and live it to the fullest, why waste the little time you have being angry and arrogant towards people who simply believe that there must be a intelligence behind this all? After all, at times that does seem more rational then believing that life formed a MERE 4 billion years ago in a hot soup and slowly mutated into, us.
hudfadz 4 months ago
@hudfadz In a hot soup? whatthefuckamireading.
OldManNipples 4 months ago
@OldManNipples
You know exactly what you are reading, and you know exactly what I am saying regardless of how I word it. I have my own slangs so dont go pretending like a little girl.
OldManNipples? WHATTHEFUCKAMIREADING
hudfadz 4 months ago
@hudfadz
Fails at grammar
calls it slang
lol
OldManNipples 4 months ago
@OldManNipples
Fails at grammer? You got to be kidding mate.
hudfadz 4 months ago
@hudfadz lol you spelled grammar wrong
Keinlicht 4 months ago
@Keinlicht You don't use correct punctuation and capitalization when you criticize grammar?
PalulukanMakto 3 months ago
@PalulukanMakto Its called Irony? Christ you're stupid.
Keinlicht 3 months ago
@Keinlicht Try again. I mean that in two ways.
PalulukanMakto 3 months ago
@PalulukanMakto Go back to playing with your snakes douchebag
Keinlicht 3 months ago
@Keinlicht The troll just got trolled... Does it feel good? :P
PalulukanMakto 3 months ago
@PalulukanMakto If you say so
Keinlicht 3 months ago
@hdtwoodsman He isn't defending creationism you idiot he thinks its just as ridiculous as dennett does.
FruitGod 3 months ago
There isn't a "directionality toward complexity." You're imagining things in terms of "better" and "worse." Evolution only pertains to "what survives." Complexity isn't necessarily an improvement. "Better fit" only applies to the changing environmental circumstances at a given time. Our complex brains were a "better fit" 1 mil yrs. ago when we developed them. Today, they are likely to lead to our extinction.
Evolution isn't random, but it doesn't work toward a goal. You should study this more.
instereovideos 7 months ago
@instereovideos ""Complexity isn't necessarily an improvement."" If so, then why species had become more complex through time? If that's so, when you plot complexity of animal orders vs time, there shouldn't be any correlation and that's not the case. ""Today, they are likely to lead to our extinction"" Exactly!!, and that's where the message comes in. We need to deny our selfish animal instincts in order to move to the next level.
dejesusluisx 7 months ago
@dejesusluisx Man, you just don't listen.
All species have not become more complex over time. Some of them become more simplified. You're talking in so many circles... I'm just done. You're not making any sense. Look, just read up on evolution (a lot)... and then save your preaching for a day when you can justify it.
instereovideos 7 months ago
@instereovideos ""All species have not become more complex over time."" I never said that, I said if you plot animal orders (taxonomical orders) vs time, you would see a correlation with time.
dejesusluisx 7 months ago
@dejesusluisx
"I never said that, I said that if you plot animal orders" I see. So then you've made my point. There is no "directionality toward complexity."
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@instereovideos ""There is no "directionality toward complexity.""" If you see the big picture, there is. If you go to the smallest (species) detail, you won't see it, like a Monet.
dejesusluisx 7 months ago
This guy is retarded, faith did not "create" morality, religion is just a parasite on morality
lppoqql 7 months ago
typical non-answer. The theist forgets he's not in church talking to the gullible. A good kick in the arse was earned by that crap...minimum.
gallus1 8 months ago
kin the end he idnt answer the question at all
MGsven 8 months ago
I'll take Mark Twain's definition, instead (speaking as Huck Finn), "Faith is believin' what ya' know ain't so."
GoblinXXX 8 months ago
That answer made no sense to me.
Norwification 8 months ago
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he didnt answer the question...
TinyTurtie 8 months ago
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Dennett believes in the soul. Try this: Daniel Dennett - The Genius of Charles Darwin: The Uncut Interviews at 3:50 Dawkins say: "a soul can emerge from soulless neurons "; that is theology at it's worst. The neo-Lamarkism selfish gene theory requires a leap of Faith bigger the Holy Trinity. I though atheists were on the evidence required side of the fence if you want to come to the Faith side please do it through the front door. Accept God. God is real, don't close your mind. God Bless.
dejesusluisx 8 months ago
@dejesusluisx stopped reading at "neo-Lamarck"
havvyweponsman 8 months ago
@havvyweponsman It is your free will to believe or not as it is your free will to complete reading and understanding other people's points of view. There is no logical argument that can disprove God but there are many to support His existence. Once you realize that God's existence is reasonable, logical and likely, you will feel His manifestation and you will get your proof for His existence.
dejesusluisx 7 months ago
@dejesusluisx The same support for god as there is for the omnicient, omnipotant, just and loving fairy at the bottom of my garden. But my fairy does not lust for blood, for genocide, infanticide, racism, sexism or the myriad other horrors akin to the beast of the bible. Who but those who wish to be slaves would want such an entity to be real? Free will?...the same free will that your god afforded pharoah? The horrors ur god brought against millions for a crime pharoah could not resist. Evil!
gallus1 7 months ago
@gallus1 ""fairy at the bottom of my garden"" There's only one divine consciousness first cause for the universe, if you wish to name it "fairy" or Zeus, or Vishnu, is irrelevant, that won't change the reality of His existence. Dogmas are man made and might bring you closer to Him or not, but God is real. The Bible is not meant to be read literally, many events attributed to God were done by men. Even if the death of first born was caused by God, it was brought by pharaoh's free will.
dejesusluisx 7 months ago
@dejesusluisx And typical of the theistic mind you refuse to read the book you so admire. If you care to read exodus again, you will find that pharoah's will was commandeered by god....pharoah had his free will taken from him...this is explicitly stated not once but each time moses spoke to this imaginary beast prior to inflicting each plague. Godwas clear to moses that he would harden pharoah's heart, thus rendering his free will impotent. As with most theists you haven't read the book.
gallus1 7 months ago
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@gallus1 ""If you care to read exodus again, you will find that pharoah's will was commandeered by god"" Once again, the books of the Bible are not a dictate word by word or God's actions, these are interpretations of God's inspiration. That is why the Bible shouldn't be interpreted literally.
dejesusluisx 7 months ago
@dejesusluisx God B.Less
gallus1 8 months ago
@gallus1 ""God B.Less"" Is that truly your wish? Want to know how it would be to live in a society without God? Try Stalin's Russia or Mao's China.
dejesusluisx 7 months ago
@dejesusluisx It
Give me russia or china any day......when you die in china or russia you simply die. Your god on the other hand will have you tortured for EVER for the mearest of crimes. Remember this too, that whatever branch of the virus you are afflicted, there are many more christians believe that YOU too are going to hell. Then there is 1.2 billion Islamists who think similarly of your fate. You as much as i should be thankful there is no hell to go to.
gallus1 7 months ago
@gallus1 ""You as much as i should be thankful there is no hell to go to."" What you, I or anyone believe don't change reality. There's no hell and there is no judgment. What people refer to as hell is the anxiety our soul suffers for knowing isn't with God when knowing it's no longer in your physical body. If you're in God's wavelength you go to God, if not, you go to the eternal darkness. Don't risk losing your soul to stubbornness, seek the truth, search for God and your quest will b rewarded
dejesusluisx 7 months ago
@dejesusluisx Yes, and u will redefine 'hell' yet again when the moral zeitgiest doesn't permit u to spew immoral crap and have it believed. Just as the old books are ignored for the hienous immorality it could no longer promote, christianity is already redefining, omitting and revising what was until recently God's own words. For centuries, thousands died and were 'sent' to hell on the basis of those books u'd rather not discuss any longer.
U in fact would be a fire-lighter for what u now say
gallus1 7 months ago
@gallus1 ""what was until recently God's own words."" The only words of God in the Bible are the ones pronounced by Jesus. All others are mans words, words from the different book's authors that claim they were inspired by God. The Bible wasn't dictated, it was inspired, and inspiration from God is processed and translated by our brain, that inspiration can easily be confounded with our own thoughts. That is why you need spiritual guidance to extract the real message from the Holy books.
dejesusluisx 7 months ago
@dejesusluisx U're just a complete loony.Did god send 10 pleagues upon the egyptians or not? Did god kill 70,000 of king david's men by slow agonising sores or not? (for David's crime of taking a census).Did God not kill EVERY first born of every Egyptian? Did He not kill EVERY person on earth via a flood?
These are but a meagre sample of the killing God did. There are many many more without mentioning the myriad he had joshua, moses, et al commit in his name.
Read the books u ignoramus
gallus1 7 months ago
@gallus1 Once again you interpret the Bible literally. For such a fundamentalist view of the book is hard to imagine you as a non-believer. Most likely a fundamentalist who discovered the inconsistencies in the Bible and decided to reject the notion of a God rather than the notion of a flawed book written by men. God was before the Bible and before men. This is precisely the reason the Church was against Luther stance of letting anyone read the Bible in their own way. Luther was wrong.
dejesusluisx 7 months ago
@dejesusluisx If the words in the bible were as you say, inspired by god for our knowledge but at the same time not to be taken literally, especially his killings, immoral blood-lusts, His confessed blood-lusts etc...then what the fuck use is it?
You simply need to blur the text as a method of rationalizing its horrors. It is an obvious barbaric tale and you know it. But since you need a crutch to get thru life you MUST do the necessary mental gymnastics required to assuage your fears.
gallus1 7 months ago
@gallus1 "then what the fuck use is it?" Once you start reading them without your hate and prejudice, you will see. "You simply need to blur the text as a method of rationalizing its horrors" Every coin has two sides. In my case, I understood God first, understood his essence and why we are here. After that, all other things felt into place. The horrors in the Bible are just reflections of the minds of the people in that time and what they were exposed to everyday, they just thought it was God.
dejesusluisx 7 months ago
@dejesusluisx You were indoctrinated first, from then on you didn't have the reasoned thinking to free yourself...simple.
You asked for examples from the bible re killings by god's hand. I gave you a few of many on offer. That you required evidence of such horrors proves how little you know. Anyone but a fuck-witted moron would be embarrassed to ask such a question.
If these killings were a figment of the imaginings men, then what value the bible?
Again, you're a plain and simple fuck-wit
gallus1 7 months ago
@gallus1 ""You were indoctrinated first, from then on you didn't have the reasoned thinking to free yourself...simple"" I was a non-believer until God touched my heart.
""Anyone but a fuck-witted moron would be embarrassed to ask such a question."" Not really, even if those killings happened as stated in the Bible (which I don't buy for a minute) they were caused by men free will. Man always has an option, I just wanted for you to realize that. You need to be transformed to see the value in it.
dejesusluisx 7 months ago
@dejesusluisx So when GOD inspired these men to write about the hundreds of thousands of killings He perpetrated Himself....He was just pulling their legs?
Aw get your ignorant arse to fuck...you're not merely a fuck-wit but a scumbag.
Fuck you and your pathetic shite.
gallus1 7 months ago
@gallus1 ""He was just pulling their legs?"" No, all stories have a logical explanation, is just that we will never know for sure. What I am certain is that they didn't happen as described, since that would be contrary to God's nature.
dejesusluisx 7 months ago
@dejesusluisx Ur telling me God inspired men to write these things which for thousands of years have been the cause of millions of deaths. U would be among those victims had you uttered what you say now.
What sort of moron doesn't believe the 'inspired words of God' but somehow believes his own cleansed notion of it?
Frankly you're a waste of time. A scumbag who'd poison others with his delusions regardless of the consequences.
Since God doesnt exist and u do, ur genuinely evil
Fuck u.
gallus1 7 months ago
@gallus1 ""doesn't believe the 'inspired words of God'"" There are parts of the Bible which ought to be followed to the letter and parts that doesn't, only wise people inspired by the Holy spirit can tell the difference. ""Since God doesnt exist and u do, ur genuinely evil"" The real evil is all kind of behavior that is aimed to please our selfish animal instincts (distinct from our survival instincts). The anger you show in your text is an example of that. Being 100% human mean rejecting those.
dejesusluisx 7 months ago
@dejesusluisx What an arrogant arsehole you are...typically. Only the 'wise' can tell the difference? And of course you count yourself in that number. What utter shite. You should get on your knees and thank your lucky stars that we atheists are not of the same mentality that theists historically are...or we'd burn you at the stake.
You're so far up your own arse you're in complete darkness. An uncanny willingness to remain ignorant in the face of all evidence that you are ignorant.
gallus1 7 months ago
@gallus1 ""or we'd burn you at the stake."" Of course, and that was the same fate the early Christians suffered at the Roman polytheists; the only things that have changed are the name of the gods. Today's gods are money, fame, power and material things. It is your choice how you live your life, no one, not even God can made you change you change your mind, that's a decision you have to take yourself. I can only pray for you to be enlightened. God is real, regardless your care to admit it or not
dejesusluisx 7 months ago
@dejesusluisx I'm sure i told you to fuck off....almost certain.
But dont you dare pray for me. Even if He existed, I'd want nothing to do with the evil beast nor his fuck-witted followers.
Get ye behind me theist, begone!
gallus1 7 months ago
@gallus1 ""Even if He existed, I'd want nothing to do with the evil beast nor his fuck-witted followers."" Dealing with God only mean dealing with yourself, dealing with your desires, weaknesses and fears; dealing with your animal instincts and with your up-most desire to be 100% human, to be free from anger, selfishness, materialism. If you don't care to deal with God you will never get to know your true self and what you're capable of. I'll keep praying for you, regardless.
dejesusluisx 7 months ago
@dejesusluisx Lastly, for ur nothing but a filthy delusional moron. U merely wish i was angry. Nothing an ignoramus of ur standing can say will bring me to anger. What u wish is anger is nought but a deep disgust. U do however strengthen my desire to do my utmost to ridicule and shame low-life's such as u.
If ur God exists and has chosen a lame-brained arsehole like you to represent Him, then i want less to do with such a beast than i did prior.
Go fuck urself....and leave the children alone!!
gallus1 7 months ago
@gallus1 ""Lastly, for ur nothing but a filthy delusional moron. U merely wish i was angry." really? so, that means you are not angry now? WOW!, well, you should thank the Lord you're not angry because if you were, you would be biting the screen off the computer. I'm really curious about your anger, I wonder if you had a very negative experience with the church. It almost seem pathological. I can only hope and pray you see the light.
dejesusluisx 7 months ago
@dejesusluisx As said, the only thing you detect from me is a deep disgust at the inhumanity of the theistic mind. But your scrambling attempt to imirror your own anger on me betrays both frustration and the inability to make a reasoned rebuttal.
PS.....If you must insist on defying my wishes regarding prayer, i reserve the reciprocal right to summon satan on your behalf. Fairs fair afterall.
God B.less ;o)
gallus1 7 months ago
@gallus1 "a deep disgust at the inhumanity of the theistic mind." interesting... inhumanity? how's so? why? BTW, a disgust is a milder form of anger, rooted in the same fears. "mirror your own anger on me" what gives you the impression I'm angry? or is it that you assume I should be angry because of your insults. FYI, I'm not angry. Are you? Do you fell threatened? "to summon satan" Personally I don't believe in anthropomorphizing evil. Is hard to imagine an atheist doing so, are you an atheist?
dejesusluisx 7 months ago
@dejesusluisx You betray ur anger by morroring it onto me. Disgust at no time means anger. It is defined by intense dislike. But given your tendancy to arbitrarily create a new concept of god its no surprise that you do likewise with redefining the english dictionary.
Silly of me to forget that you know which parts of the bible convey what god genuinely inspired and what he didnt. It is odd that all His killing via slow torture are those that you deem unpalatable to be truly God's deeds.
gallus1 7 months ago
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@gallus1 ""you know which parts of the bible convey what god genuinely inspired and what he didnt."" Obviously someone that knows and understands God's message will differentiate better that someone that doesn't. Pretending to read the Bible without being in God's grace is like for you pretending to read "La fiesta del Chivo" with one internet Spanish lesson. Your insistence in clinging to the literal details distracts you from the essence of the message and renders your argument useless.
dejesusluisx 7 months ago
@dejesusluisx Ur anger stems from the ease of ridiculing ur new version of God.That u could publicly state that the horrible bits that God himself committed, and inspired to be written, were not His but mens' is not worthy of convincing a 7 year old.This is why u must get your sticky hands on children even younger.Have them indoctrinated before their minds have matured and see thru ur witchcraft.
But i dont need to believe in satan, all thats required is u to believe it. He's gonna get u!
gallus1 7 months ago
@gallus1 ""But i dont need to believe in satan, all thats required is u to believe it. He's gonna get u!"" Are you serious? How old are you? 10? If you don't care to open your eyes, is your choice, just don't go around blaming God for it. God had tried many times to make you understand, He uses other people for that purpose. You have been given the message, what you do with it is your problem. I'll keep praying... you really need it.
dejesusluisx 7 months ago
@dejesusluisx How thick is that skull on top of ur neck? I'm not blaming god....Dont u get it dumbarse, God is a figment of your infantile imagination. I cant blame something that doesn't exist but u are living proof that if ur gullible and needy enough to believe in the witchcraft, it will cause mental anguish. Uv demonstrably never read ur god's book yet inside ur little mind u have rationalized u know Him and his nature. It takes an atheist to educate u...and i feel your pain and anguish.
gallus1 7 months ago
@gallus1 ""God is a figment of your infantile imagination."" This figment of my imagination showed me how gravity and electromagnetism works, something no scientist to this date knows. How can someone be so sure of something never experienced? I fell like I'm talking to someone trying to describe me my own hometown without having ever set foot in it. BTW, your demeaning adjectives only makes you look less intelligent and your argument weaker.
dejesusluisx 7 months ago
@dejesusluisx Never mind the gobbledegook, how about enlightening me with your confessed wisdom and explain the meaning of the afore mentioned Heavenly commands....you know, the ones that entailed the slaughter and subsequent sex-slave fun.
If God showed you how gravity and electromagnetism worked, but kept it from every other religious man in history, I'm excited that you'll have no trouble in giving me your take on the child-rape in particular..... i can hardly wait for your reply...lol.
gallus1 7 months ago
@gallus1 ""explain the meaning of the afore mentioned Heavenly commands"" As I said, they weren't heavenly commands, they just used God's name to assure the armies fulfill the commands without remorse.
""kept it from every other religious man in history,"" things happen in God's time, not in ours, if He didn't is because we weren't ready. God showed me these things as a "royal seal" for me to believe the real important message He gave me about salvation.
dejesusluisx 7 months ago
@dejesusluisx So God didn't command it, despite the book being His inspiration?
Then the book is worthless.
But you declare u know which passage is His and what is human works?
Only the deluded can believe such tripe but u go further, u say He divulged how gravity and electromagnetism works..solely to u!
Fuck, my only reason for spending so much time with ur idiocy was to see how deep u could dig the hole u got urself in. But uv excelled my wildest dreams. Hilarious. A nut job of 1st order
gallus1 7 months ago
@gallus1 What do you understand by God's inspiration? I think our misunderstanding lies in that definition. God can inspire you to draw a river and you might draw a battle with blood flowing like a river. God's inspirations don't have much details is up to us to provide a frame for them; is our knowledge, experience, upbringing, and environment that provides much of that frame. I don't expect you to believe me, I just expect you to think seriously about this before is too late.
dejesusluisx 7 months ago
@dejesusluisx I gotta thank u for the fun. Not just for me in my life-time did i think Isaac Newton had something to do with the theory of gravity, but for hundreds of years the entire world thought so too. But all of us were wrong, it was u that got the info via direct revelation from God Almighty!!
Some less inspired people will think you might be a bit picky regards what is God's word and what is man's, but thanks to u we're all enlightened. Tee Hee. lol. thank you! thank you! haw haw haw
gallus1 7 months ago
@gallus1 ""But all of us were wrong,"" Not really, not knowing how something works is not the same as describing it. Newton described gravity mathematically but didn't know how it works. Einstein corrected Newtons math, but felt short in explaining the mechanism. To this date scientists are looking for a hypothetical particle (graviton) through which they theorize is the way gravity works. The reality is no one knows. Look it up, you might actually learn something.
dejesusluisx 7 months ago
@dejesusluisx What they're looking for is the theory that will link the quantum reality with the macro.
But they dont need to now....cos you know it....directly from God!
What a guy, a fucking hero!
LOL...a complete fucking nutter!!... i luv it when this happens. haw haw haw haw haw haw!!!
gallus1 7 months ago
@gallus1 ""What they're looking for is the theory that will link the quantum reality with the macro."" They do, but that is not what I'm talking about. Try to get the answer to this question: does gravity pull or push and how? It's the mechanics of HOW gravity acts what is unknown.
dejesusluisx 7 months ago
@dejesusluisx Whats the point dumb-arse, God has chosen u to receive the the theory via divine revelation. Now what?....are you gonna keep it secret all to urself. Or perhaps with the Nobel prize for physics and the billions that will inevitably come ur way, u could feed the billions that your god doesn't give a rats ass about. But then God must have yet another immoral reason for not feeding His Creation and u'd feel obliged not to interfere with His plans.
Thats why theism poisons everything
gallus1 7 months ago
@gallus1 "God must have yet another immoral reason for not feeding His Creation" What are you, a fish in a fishbowl that needs to be fed? God gave us the intelligence and resources to feed ourselves. There's more than enough food produced in the world feed everybody, only greed, capitalism, and our selfishness animal instincts prevent it to reach the needy. "you gonna keep it secret all to urself." Your soul salvation is more important, all the knowledge we gain is useless if we lose our soul.
dejesusluisx 7 months ago
@dejesusluisx You imbecile. This is the precise evil i've heard from the idiotic theist since i was old enough to understand the english language.
I dont give a monkey's abortion what the reasons may be that millions, tens of millions starve each year....THAT MISSES THE FUCKING POINT YOU EVIL LITTLE FUCK-TARD.
The point is that those who are starving are not hungry thru any fault of their own! Thus, they, more than self-apponted prophets like you need god...any fucking God to feed them!
gallus1 7 months ago
@gallus1 ""those who are starving are not hungry thru any fault of their own! Thus, they, more than self-apponted prophets like you need god...any fucking God to feed them!"" They need God for the food of their soul, they need God inspired men to help them cultivate, prepare irrigation channels, dig water wells, and set up a system for them to feed themselves. Hundreds of churches do that everyday.
dejesusluisx 7 months ago
@dejesusluisx For the sake of THIS argument, Allow me to concede the existance of ur God......SO WHY DOES HE DO SWEET FUCK ALL TO FEED THOSE INNOCENTS!...ITS NOT THEIR FUCKING FAULT CAPITALISM, SELFISHNESS...OR ANY HUMAN TRAIT U'D LIKE TO BLAME, CAUSES THEIR SUFFERING.... YOU, AS IS AN APPARENT PREREQUISITE OF THEISM, SIMPLY IGNORE THE FUCKING OBVIOUS....BECAUSE YOU ARE SICK IN THE HEAD. BLINDED BY THE FEAR OF REASONED THOUGHT.
ANOTHER PROOF OF YOUR EVIL IDEOLOGY. FUCK YOU, FUCK YOUR GOD!
gallus1 7 months ago
@gallus1 ""ITS NOT THEIR FUCKING FAULT"" No is not their fault, is the free will of capitalists. In the same way it wasn't the fault of the any of the12 million people Hitler sent to the gas chambers. It was Hitler's fault. God doesn't intervene with free will, regardless it might costs the life of 12 million or 100 million. We need to start assuming our responsibilities as a race possessing the most precious gift: consciousness instead of blaming God for it.
dejesusluisx 7 months ago
@dejesusluisx Fuck capitalists, fuck hitler.What sort of arse is a god that cant rid us of those u say cause injustice? He had no hesitation in wiping out the afore mentioned cities of 'Everything that breathes' in order to plant a bunch of desert wanderers. Sparing only prepubescent virgins as sex slaves. But He cant intervene to feed and protect those innocent millions who die EVERY year? U epitomise Voltaire's view that once convinced of an absurdity, u will commit an attrocity in its name
gallus1 7 months ago
@gallus1 ""What sort of arse is a god that cant rid us of those u say cause injustice?"" The purpose of our creation was to have a self programing brain that results in the development of free will. God would not interfere with free will the same way you would not smoke in a special pure room in your house you designed to breathe pure air. The more you quote literally passages of the old testament as if they were true to the last dot, the more confused you will be, guaranteed.
dejesusluisx 7 months ago
@dejesusluisx I've listened to many a perverse theist, but ur right up there.
Reasoning and rational thought along with the evil books of the Beast Yahweh are the atheist's best weapons, but theists like u convert many fence-sitters to the atheistic cause just as well.
For this reason, and over and above the chance to rip the shit outta u, u did my job.
U need a prayer, but for urself, for u must surely have pushed many toward my side of the fence.
How pissed yahweh?
Lucifer will enjoy u!
gallus1 7 months ago
@gallus1 ""have pushed many toward my side of the fence."" what I understand from that phrase is that you are a proud recruiter for your atheist religion. Why change one religion for another? You are really lost, if you ever decide to learn something, I'll be glad to help. For now, I can only advise professional help in your case.
dejesusluisx 7 months ago
@dejesusluisx Ur vile irrationality is proof positive that theists must never again be allowed the power long lost.
Too slow are we in improving the lot of the less fortunate, no mistake. But advancement in human welfare has improved more under the strong arms of science, free and reasoned thought, and a moral zietgeist which has advanced more in the last 200 years than ur imaginary evil doctrines managed in the previous 4 millennia.
Your mind-numbing ignorance is no excuse.
gallus1 7 months ago
@gallus1 ""theists must never again be allowed the power long lost."" The day an atheist run the USA will mark the beginning of the end. I'm ready for it, unfortunately by the time you figure out the consequences of that action, it will be too late. ""But advancement in human welfare has improved more under the strong arms of science"" new agricultural discoveries are patented, further widening the gap between the rich and poor. Capitalism owns science. Open your eyes.
dejesusluisx 7 months ago
@dejesusluisx You're a clown. The United States have already had atheists as presidents. The founding fathers, the writers of the constitution were mostly atheistic or deist. Hence the insistance of the seperation of church and state. I'm niether a theist nor American but it know more about both the authors of the Constitution and your evil bible than your insularity will ever allow.
You just cant help urself. Every time u open ur mouth, the out-pouring of excretor is astounding.
gallus1 7 months ago
@gallus1 ""the writers of the constitution were mostly atheistic or deist."" Of course not, quite the contrary. Even the dollar has written in God we trust. The USA was founded as a consequence of religious prosecution, that is why the founding fathers wanted to guarantee religious freedom by not letting government interfere. Is amazing how sure you are of things completely alien to you. The only way you could start to understand anything is by recognizing how little you know and be humble.
dejesusluisx 7 months ago
@dejesusluisx You moron. 'In God we Trust' was adopted as the US Motto in 1956 and appeared on paper bills in 1957. on coins almost 100 years after the founding of the Nation. The founding of the US of A had nothing to do with religious persecution....you ignorant nut-job. LOL. Further, the Seperation of Church and State was an effort to prevent the persecutuion of one religious sect upon another. You ignorant tool.
Jefferson was one of many signatories who considered ur God a thug.
gallus1 7 months ago
@gallus1 "adopted as the US Motto in 1956" So? I said: "Even the dollar has written in God we trust.", what's your point? "the Seperation of Church and State was an effort to prevent the persecutuion of one religious sect upon another." Of course, in the event one sect gains control of the government. You only understand what you want to understand. Jefferson was a believer, he was opposed to organized religion since it was a powerful and sometimes tyrannical force in those days. U need to learn
dejesusluisx 7 months ago
@dejesusluisx Atheism.....if u look up a dictionary, is nothing more than a 'lack' of belief. There are no doctrines or dogmas. Apologists have long failed to use that idiotic 'its just another religion' argument as a weapon. Its that kind of impotence that pervades the theistic argument, which in turn illuminates the reasons why atheist numbers are growing.
Your angst and frustration is so palpable .....i really feel your pain.
If u had any moral fibre u'd shamed and humiliated.
Scum.
gallus1 7 months ago
@gallus1 A religion is an organized faith. When you claim there is no God without any evidence, you are making a faith statement. There are atheists conventions, programs, seminars, instructional videos, etc., which indicates is an organized movement. You talk about God and substitute Him for science. Furthermore you try to convince and recruit people for your cause? What other evidence you need to realize you are part of a new cult? Open your eyes.
dejesusluisx 7 months ago
@dejesusluisx More shite.Since when has 'group' been a synonym for religion? First read the bible, next try a dictionary...you imbecilic scum-bag. If Capitalism owns science, and i wont refute it here, it proves that Capitalism does a better job than religion ever did.
Its uncomplicated. The religious heirarchy have long known the best way to maintain the masses is to keep them poor, women subservient and everyone ignorant. Look how it worked on u.
gallus1 7 months ago
@gallus1 ""it proves that Capitalism does a better job than religion ever did."" Money corrupts everything and the only way to avoid it is at a personal level by living in God's grace. No organization is immune, money also corrupts religion. Seems to me the only one that doesn't know this reality is you. ""The religious heirarchy..." they are men, and as such are subject to corruption and sin. God was before religion, before the Bible and even before men. You can only trust Him and no one else.
dejesusluisx 7 months ago
@dejesusluisx Whatever the faults of Capitalism, the last 200 years of it has given the Western world a better standard of living, a fairer standard of governance than even the wealthiest King or Pope had prior to the Enlightenment. As for a 'new cult', its only new to u americans....religion has been relegated to a quaint pass-time thru out the Western World for over 100 years. There is much to admire of the US but ignorant insularity pervades too many.
gallus1 7 months ago
@gallus1 ""religion has been relegated to a quaint pass-time thru out the Western World for over 100 years"" So? That only suggests there are more souls lost there than anywhere else. What are you trying to prove? About 80% of the population of the world have some sort of religious belief. If European want to lose their soul, they have the freedom to do it. We are all accountable for our actions.
dejesusluisx 7 months ago
@dejesusluisx As a pernicious little creton, you have nothing but unadulterated shit to offer. I'd insist on a tuition fee in order to educate you further. Tho in truth, no remuneration could be worth putting up with the inane and vile mental gymnastics you must spew.
Read the vile books of your god, then ask yourself fairly, what sort of monster 'inspires' this shite?
To Hell with God.
Done.
gallus1 7 months ago
@gallus1 ""Read the vile books of your god, then ask yourself fairly, what sort of monster 'inspires' this shite"" I don't suggest you do the same because you are not prepared. You are very confused, and in need of all the help you can get. I feel sorry for the life you're living, I have done all I can to help you but one cannot help someone that doesn't want to be helped. I can just pray for your soul. There is always hope, and I can only hope one day you can open your eyes and see the light.
dejesusluisx 7 months ago
@dejesusluisx
Your ignorance knows no bounds. This of course is a prerequisite, for only one of such astounding ignorance could possibly utter so much nonsense.
PS.... If u want to talk percentages....less than 25% of the worlds population is christian. The Largest christian denomination (R.C) makes up approx 3\4 of that 25%.
Thus, More than 75% of the world's population disbelieve ur shit too.
Ur not merely at odds with Muslims, Hindus, Bhuddists, but almost all christians too. 2 funny
gallus1 7 months ago
@gallus1 ""Thus, More than 75% of the world's population disbelieve ur shit too."" They disbelieve the Christian dogma, not God. As I said, God was before religion, before the Bible and before men. Dogmas are man made and can be disbelieved, but God is real.
Open your eyes before is too late.
And seek help...
You really need it.
God Bless
dejesusluisx 7 months ago
@dejesusluisx You're just a fucking idiot. If Satan existed, he'd have the rule over your sadistic, misogynistic, genocidal, infanicidal, omni-malevolent, blood-lusting, slaver and torturous bully.
You know no more of the advent of your constitution than you do about the afore mentioned comic character.
I'll kick the prick in the balls and ditch him in Hell...where he belongs.
God B.less. AMEN.
gallus1 7 months ago
@gallus1 I really feel pity for you, unfortunately your ignorant attempt to blame God for your lack of belief won't help you when the time to meet your maker comes. My mission was to give you the message, I did, so my mission is accomplished. What you do with this information is your choice. God doesn't want you to lose your soul but you are cutting all lifelines thrown at you. Is all your choice and you had been warned. You still have time. God Bless.
dejesusluisx 7 months ago
@dejesusluisx
Lightning was once thought to be God’s wrath, but turned out to be the unintelligent outcome of mindless natural forces. We once thought an intelligent being must have arranged and maintained the amazingly ordered motions of the solar system, but now we know it’s all the inevitable outcome of mindless natural forces. Disease was once thought to be the mischief of supernatural demons. Now we know that unintelligent organisms are the cause, infecting us via mindless natural forces.
gallus1 7 months ago
@gallus1 ""mindless natural force"" and how exactly can you be sure is mindless? how exactly can nature design laws? how can nature create a force that moves in one direction rather than randomly? how exactly you propose the universe was created? out of nothing?
God is everywhere, the fact that we are able to decipher embedded mathematical laws in all the creation is one more reason to believe, not the contrary.
dejesusluisx 7 months ago
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@dejesusluisx In case after case, without exception, the trend has been to find that purely natural causes underlie any phenomena. Not once has the cause of anything turned out to really be God’s wrath or intelligent meddling, or demonic mischief, or anything supernatural at all. The collective weight of these observations is enormous: supernaturalism has been tested at least a million times and has always lost;
gallus1 7 months ago
@gallus1 "purely natural causes underlie any phenomena."" yes, and depending how you define it, God is a natural force. ""or anything supernatural at all"" The Amer Heritage Dict. defines supernatural as "relating to existence outside the natural world". If God created the universe and exists all around us, He is part of the natural world. On the other hand a self programing brain (ours) is nowhere else found in nature, so we are supernatural. We can play with definitions all day and get nowhere
dejesusluisx 7 months ago
@dejesusluisx You arse...if god did it then it isnt 'natural' but supernatural, by definition. You however can, as you do, reinvent definitions to suit yourself, and its obvious this is sufficient and necessary for you to believe. But your delusions are no help to any but yourself.
Solipsism gone MAD.
lol.
Get behind me theist...BEGONE!!!
gallus1 7 months ago
@gallus1 "if god did it then it isnt 'natural' but supernatural, by definition." God created the universe and all laws within it, why would He violate the perfect laws and natural mechanisms He created? It doesn't make sense. All things God do, he does using His creation, His laws and therefore are natural occurrences. Some miracles might be viewed as supernatural, but we don't know or haven't witness them to acknowledge if natural forces came into action. Is consciousness supernatural?
dejesusluisx 7 months ago
@dejesusluisx According to the bible and the Koran, to give credence to one is anathema to the other. This may not sit well with you...you who thinks its ok to redefine anything your god inspired...but what you think does not alter any facts.
The only thing u can accomplish is to pretend you know what it means. The utter tripe u are willing to put into print is an indictment on ur mentality. That u r ignorant to the cringing inanities u say does not negate the fact u say them. U are nullity.
gallus1 7 months ago
@gallus1 ""to the bible and the Koran, to give credence to one is anathema to the other."" The Bible don't mention the Holy Quran since it was written later. Allah is the God of Abraham, hence the same God we worship. They just see Jesus as a prophet, not as God. Open your eyes.
dejesusluisx 7 months ago
@dejesusluisx But u almost said something worthwhile, tho i suspect unwittingly. It is true, the whole thing 'doesn't make sense!!'.....if u can follow that idea thru you'll stop being a complete fuck-wit. In truth, i appreciate u are a lost cause. If the truth hit you, you'd shit your pants and find a new imaginary fiend for comfort. Afterall, every concept u have of Yahweh is a figment of ur meagre imagination. Constructing another fantasy will come easy to child-like minds such as yours.
gallus1 7 months ago
@gallus1 ""It is true, the whole thing 'doesn't make sense!!'."" I'm referring to the idea or concept you and all fundamentalists have of God. Your fundamentalism is the reason why you're a non-believer. I'm sure now you're too focused on trying to win an argument, so you won't see it, but I hope in the future, you give this some serious thought and you'll open your eyes.
dejesusluisx 7 months ago
@dejesusluisx This will come as a shock to one so ignorant, but if u voiced ur ideas not so long ago, the very piety u acclaim would have u burnt. Christians like muslims kill other versions of the same virus as much as they do non-belief....in fact more so. It was not the pious that put a stop to such barbary, but the men of The Enlightenment, engendered by secular thinking individuals. Be there life after death,to those wise men and women should u get on ur knees.Thank them, & to hell with God
gallus1 7 months ago
@gallus1 ""the very piety u acclaim would have u burnt"" of course, as thousands of the early Christians were tortured, used as entertainment to be killed by lions, or crucified. "but the men of The Enlightenment" If I remember my history correctly, the leading figures of the enlightenment, Kant, Hume, Descartes and Newton, were all believers. If you like the period, read more about their philosophy. "Be there life after death" if you think or wish there's some sort of afterlife, there's a God.
dejesusluisx 7 months ago
@dejesusluisx. Naturalism has been tested at least a million times and has always won. A horse that runs a million races and never loses is about to run yet another race with a horse that has lost every single one of the million races it has run. Which horse should we bet on? The answer is obvious.
PS....i dont believe in magic or your magic spells, thus ur prayer is for your weak minded gullability only.
To Hell With God
gallus1 7 months ago
@gallus1 ""Which horse should we bet on?"" Well, if you want to bet your soul in a horse race go ahead, but don't say later you weren't warned. In this bet I'm making, I have nothing to lose and an eternity to gain. In your bet you have nothing to gain and an eternity to lose. To quote your own words: ""The answer is obvious"" Don't you think?
dejesusluisx 7 months ago
@dejesusluisx This is the idiocy of the hard of thinking yet again.U open your mouth and utter shite spews from it. Pray tell, theist, what is the consequences of your belief if it be Allah and not Yahweh, or ANY of the 30,000 gods that remain extant today that is the 'true' God? You will find yourself in perpetual agony for willful ignorance. The Koran condemns those who say Jesus is devine. I can at least claim honest disbelief. Ur faith is nought but smug hope. U however are an ignorant tool.
gallus1 7 months ago
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@gallus1 ""what is the consequences of your belief if it be Allah and not Yahweh"" None, as long as you are one with the divine consciousness, as long as you are in God's wavelength, you will be saved. The name of God is not important, living the message is what's important. ""The Koran condemns those who say Jesus is devine."" You can be condemn for what you do (or don't do) more than for what you say. "claim honest disbelief" sorry but saying "hell with god" isn't disbelief, is militant evil.
dejesusluisx 7 months ago
@dejesusluisx To think u can discard the immoral practices AND reinterpret the rest of "god's book' is advertizing urself as a crank. It stands or falls as it is written. Attempting to rationalize or ignore it in its entirity is guilt of deceit. The solipsism and mental gymnastics required to facilitate belief is to deny the faculties any creator-god imbued on us. If a book was written for us by a loving creator, how obvious it would be! Yet what we have is a book of horrors.
To Hell with God.
gallus1 7 months ago
@gallus1 ""It stands or falls as it is written."" That is called fundamentalism and is narrow minded to say the least. Only uneducated Christians and atheists believe that is the way the Bible is supposed to be read. "If a book was written for us by a loving creator" and who told you God wrote the Bible? The Bible was written by many men over many centuries. God inspired most authors in their writing but God inspiration is filtered by our brain and our knowledge. The outcome needs interpretation
dejesusluisx 7 months ago
@dejesusluisx Only those who cannot impose the commands of that evil book, as the godly did until the wisdom of reasoned and thoughtful men of The Enlightenment ripped the power from them, look for a way of rationalizing and redefining it to assuage the immoral codes therin. Only the weak-minded would want to be anslaved again, both by the godly and the evil and immorality espoused in the book. When God inspires one to kill innocents, time and time again, there is no ambiguity.
gallus1 7 months ago
@gallus1 ""When God inspires one to kill innocents, time and time again, there is no ambiguity."" We already when through this, killing is man's work falsely attributed to God. ""men of The Enlightenment ripped the power from them"" once again, read their work, the key figures of that time were believers. Open your eyes.
dejesusluisx 7 months ago
@dejesusluisx It was ur evil feind that killed them, not men....read his book and learn something. When God's inspired book says God killed every Egyptian first born, or that he drowned every living person but one family, there is no point u denying this is what the inspired book says...inspired by ur god. What use a book from god if u decide to ignore it?
You think by opening and shutting ur mouth and letting shite spew, ur answering. ur as thick as shite..2 funny
He's an evil & ur a tool ;o)
gallus1 7 months ago
@gallus1 ""It was ur evil feind that killed them, not men"" This is getting repetitive and going nowhere. Seek help, you need it.
dejesusluisx 7 months ago
@dejesusluisx Hume was no theist ....Newton, a man of his time spent more time as an alchemist that a scientist....he was wrong about his alchemy as he was about his god...which was only slightly less stupid than ur idea. Kant felt the 'idea' of a god was necessary for the masses. Descartes, he was pre Enlightenment and he was condemned for having no use of God by his contemporaries. Any token utterances were to save himself from murdering theists.
Ur ignorance is mind-numbing
gallus1 7 months ago
@gallus1 ""Any token utterances were to save himself from murdering theists."" Their work is there and so are their continuous references to the divine and their reverence towards it, you just have to read it. Believe whatever you want, is your free will, just be sure to brace for the consequences.
dejesusluisx 7 months ago
@dejesusluisx Ur God states clearly the penalties for worshipping another god. Insist that Jesus is God in any number of madrases and u'll be clubbed to death....try it....please.
The Koran's view on christianity...didn't u know ur an infidel in their eyes...where have u been dumb-arse?.....open ur eyes,...better still open a book, read, and shut ur trap....u might learn something...if u can find someone to explain the big words to u.
For one person, u talk an awful lot of shite.
Open a book
gallus1 7 months ago
@gallus1 ""didn't u know ur an infidel in their eyes"" yes, and the Bible say we have to kill people that work on the rest day. Only fundamentalists like you actually follows that line of thought.
dejesusluisx 7 months ago
@dejesusluisx but... if God came before religion, and religion is man made... how do you know that there's a God? That's a religious claim.
instereovideos 7 months ago
@instereovideos In case after case, without exception, the trend has been to find that purely natural causes underlie any phenomena. Not once has the cause of anything turned out to really be God’s wrath or intelligent meddling, or demonic mischief, or anything supernatural at all. The collective weight of these observations is enormous: supernaturalism has been tested at least a million times and has always lost;
gallus1 7 months ago
@gallus1 Thanks, but obviously I don't need to be convinced of that. I'm also not trying to start an atheist gang to team up on a creationist in a comment thread. Just trying to see if dejesusluisx can follow his own line of reasoning.
instereovideos 7 months ago
@instereovideos The post was sent to you in error.
But you'll not get any reasoning from dejesus.
I only wound him up to see the extent of his ignorance and to have him make it public.
He has never read the bible.
gallus1 7 months ago
@instereovideos Religions, as we know them today, are organizations centered around some core beliefs in the divine. The answer to your question will change depending on your definition of religion. When I say God came before religion, I refer to modern organized religions: Judaism, Catholicism, Islam, etc. Before Yahweh, there were other Gods in man's quest for understanding the divine. Isolated tribes had been know to worship elements and ancestors, man had always shown a wiring for the divine
dejesusluisx 7 months ago
@dejesusluisx No, I want the answer based on YOUR definition of religion. But I think I already have my answer. You don't seem to understand it, but we do have a "wiring" for believing in superstitious things and supernatural characters of our own invention. It's a product of our evolution.
If you don't buy into "dogma," then how do you know anything about God? How do you know that we have to "see the light?" Everything you think you know about God is based on a modern religious claim.
instereovideos 7 months ago
@instereovideos ""Everything you think you know about God is based on a modern religious"" Well, not exactly, see I was a non-believer, until I decided to give my faith a chance and I received more than what I bargain for. I didn't agree with the concept of God portrayed in the Bible, that's why I was a non-believer. But I received revelations, visions that re-defined that concept. Now I have been going back and discovering the this was all along in the Bible, is just a matter of interpretation
dejesusluisx 7 months ago
@dejesusluisx
Well that's the tricky part, dejesus. No one can prove that you didn't receive "revelations." The thing is, why should that matter to anyone but you? Everyone has strange experiences, that does not mean "Yaweh led the slaves out of Egypt."
But just saying "The Bible is a matter of interpretation" doesn't get you off the hook. You're preaching, telling people to "open their eyes." So why don't you explain what that means, and give your justification for why we should believe it.
instereovideos 7 months ago