So we make the greatest tank in the world for the greatest military in the world and now we are selling it to iraqi's? Thats like giving the keys of a monster truck to an 8 year old putting him in the front seat and standing in front of the bastard!!!!
Let them use what's left of their Soviet tanks. The name of whoever is responsible for selling them M-1 Abrams tanks should be up in lights because that person is a moron who should be held responsible when we are fighting them in 10 years and our tanks kill Americans. It WILL happen. No way should they be selling American equipment above Hummers to them. Let's sell them some F-22s and ICBMs while were at it.
if some way in hell those tanks were ever turned against us they would be destroyed in the first 24 hours of the war. no military, especially a middle eastern, would be able to stand a conventional war against the US. and tanks are the biggest conventional targets on the battlefield.
We are great allies with the current government. We aren't at war with Iraq, but it's insurgents. Same thing with Afghanistan. The Iraqis and Afghans generally love us. It's just the insurgents we hate. At the obvious problems with accidental collateral damage.
we'll just send us one of our predator drones out there and blow every one of them off the face of the earth. simple, efficient, and messy. thats how it ought to be. keep kickin ass us military. showem whos boss!
We should sell old m60 tanks or russian made tanks, there is no way we should be selling our m1's that could end up in iran china and north korea they can't be series....
U can't be serious to sell such technology to foreign power. We if they are compartmentalize in the near future then we have to go up against our own technology (what since do that make)? That why we have issues now with Al-Quida , they are using weapons that was sold to them by us.
@ghostcookie We are having problems with Al Qaeda because since the dawn of the written word they have picked a fight with someone. Their weapons don't really make a difference. It's all the oxygen starved nutjobs that keep joining the cause.
We just don't get it. We gave training and weapons to the Mujaheddin in Afganistan in the 80's to defend themselves from invading Russians. The Mujaheddin are now more Al-Quida members than anything else. Same for Venezuela, who's dictator hates us now. So, let's give Iraq our technology to use against us later on too. Leave American weapons and tactics for America. Fuck the rest of them, good cops or no. They should be able to take care of their own damn selves or die trying. Just like we do.
Bah, Iraq use these against US? I think we've seen twice now that Iraqi military just doesn't stand a chance we took them out in a few weeks in both wars lol. And now Saddam is rotting in the ground so Iraq probably won't be going to war with anyone.
@OlderG0ds The Iraqi Army had poor training and outdated equipment. If they had had Abrams and decent training, they could have put up a greater resistance. I'm not saying they would have won, but they certainly would have inflicted greater casualties on U.S. forces.
what people have to realize is that those Iraqi cops are just like our cops. there are some lazy ones, some corrupt ones... and some guys who want to put on a uniform in the morning, go out, and serve and protect.
they want to keep their friends and family safe, they want to keep their streets clean.
give an Abrams to a good cop that knows the streets, see how fast he puts a HESH into an Al Queda house and starts yelling "yeah motherfuckers, not in my town!" in Farsi
Yeah we shouldn't give them tanks. My dad was in Vietnam. It's the same then as it is now. In Vietnam both sides looked the same. They could be on the U.S. side one night.. And shooting at you the next. Same for the sand niggers in Iraq.
i dont think we should sell our tanks to them,, hell no!! they might even use those tanks on us....like how they trained the iraq police to fight with us and most of the iraq police turned against us cause they were with the taliban
105mm gun (too small), 40+ years old, lack of proper armor systems that are stock (not just strapped on reactive armor), and generally inefficient at doing its job. especially now that warfare isn't conventional anymore (the patton was excellent in the gulf war, marine M60's took back Kuwait International Airport)
the Stryker MGS could have become the new patton but 1. its wheeled, 2. its got a low amount of rounds, and 3. it can't turn 360 degrees, the M2 browning is in the way, lol.
@1234Ashlite 120mm gun not 105, that was changed before the gun ever saw combat. armor remains classified because after 40 years it still can't be penetrated (no combat losses in abrams due to enemy fire), tank does 60+ mph, keeps crews alive. do your research
Any weapon can be overcome. Todays weapon will be beaten by Tommorrows.
We need to sell product, and a stripped version, will be no threat to our fully loaded model. Tanks, Guns, Bombs...it's the fight in the man, (woman) not the man in the fight. Iran might have to worry.
The US is selling the Iraqi army M1 Abrams that are stripped of all the Soldier XXII Systems there Abrams are the basic ones they wont even have sabots
you know what freaks me out.....a Marine buddy of mine just got back from Iraq. He has a high functioning autistic cousin, and he told me honestly that his cousin is more qualified mentally and physically than the average iraqi guard soldier. He went on to say that that's the only reason why the US is still in Iraq, because if we pulled out now, in less than 6 months Iraq would fall. And now, we are going to give them Abrams tanks...so, in 15 years, when we go back, we'll be battling M1's...
It's to help them defend themselves. If we ever went to war with the Iraq government then we could easily defeat their poor air force and with complete control of the sky the M1 would have no chance against stealth fighters and bombers. We'd never have to engage them on the ground and we'd have an easy victory.
wow someone wants to get rid of there crap (the us probably wants to sell its older tanks), this tank is one of the most expensive tanks in the world and also one of the most expensive tanks to maintain. true its one of the best but Iraq cant afford to use the tank. cant the Americans give the Iraqis some Russian tanks that are a lot more cheaper to maintain/use?
Youve got to be fucking kidding me did you hear what they said the tanks aren't being used to scare the enemy's today we just wanna sell them some today how fucking stupid lets sell them some tank so they can come back tomorrow to get the rest of them by force tomorrow
M1 is good but shouldn't they mabey design tanks that can withstand these new sniper rifles that can hit through armour? Tanks kick ass but these new rifles they're bringing out kick even more ass =/
Offensive power has always dwarfed defensive power. By the time they build a tank that can resist the new rifles an even newer rifle will come out that can peirce the new tank.
im in the australian armoured core light cavalry and the last time i was near one of those when it fired my ears were bleeding. they are fucking loud, fucking massive and fucking awsome.
no its not, it will help them defend themselves, help ous get out faster, and besides, according to idiot millitary officials and general, I guess the Abrams is becoming, "outdated" and is to heavy for widespreade use these days so, I guess, in about 5-10 years, that tank will be comsidered yesterdays technology, though it will be better than what, if the future combate sytems is completed, we will be useing then.
So we make the greatest tank in the world for the greatest military in the world and now we are selling it to iraqi's? Thats like giving the keys of a monster truck to an 8 year old putting him in the front seat and standing in front of the bastard!!!!
bronson16 3 months ago
the abrams may be athe best tank but its engine IS a problem and also a handicap[
903strikerunit 11 months ago
Let them use what's left of their Soviet tanks. The name of whoever is responsible for selling them M-1 Abrams tanks should be up in lights because that person is a moron who should be held responsible when we are fighting them in 10 years and our tanks kill Americans. It WILL happen. No way should they be selling American equipment above Hummers to them. Let's sell them some F-22s and ICBMs while were at it.
realityright 1 year ago
@realityright Don't they get downgraded versions though?
Robloxsaltytaco1234 11 months ago
if some way in hell those tanks were ever turned against us they would be destroyed in the first 24 hours of the war. no military, especially a middle eastern, would be able to stand a conventional war against the US. and tanks are the biggest conventional targets on the battlefield.
MS3boostin 1 year ago
those are the new m1a2 sep tusks. they are the best in the world for up to date tank systems.
m1a2abrams100 1 year ago
PS - approve and kiss this (_|_) shit-'ead
TigerIPanzer 1 year ago
Let them go back to T-72s, not our M1s. What the hell?
showaltermicro 1 year ago
You're shitting me???
You go into Iraq...
Blow the living shit out of them...
Then turn around and sell them your tanks???
You Americans are all crazy... :-)
macanix 1 year ago
@macanix
We went to war against Saddam's regime.
We are great allies with the current government. We aren't at war with Iraq, but it's insurgents. Same thing with Afghanistan. The Iraqis and Afghans generally love us. It's just the insurgents we hate. At the obvious problems with accidental collateral damage.
abbyratsolee 1 year ago
@macanix no.
we go into iraq
blow the living shit out of insurgents
thn turn around and sell the iraqi goverment, the good iraqis, our tanks to help them.
you wtf u r's are crazy ;D
TheINEEDAUSERNAME 1 year ago
I don't really like the thought of Iraqi generals using Abrams tanks.
CrzayMazy 1 year ago
@CrzayMazy Saudi Arabia already has them :l
GluStikz 1 year ago
is it near impossible to kill the driver of a m1 abrams tank driver wiith the weapons iraqs use? just wondering.
sparklerbombg 1 year ago
Propaganda. Dont trust a word of it.
esissthlm 2 years ago
heh, why do you think we wage war?
gada showem are toys work, and well.
So we can sell them at a nice price.
Irans flying f16s and tomcats..
and wouldnt you rather they use a weapon we a know all about ; )
Happylilshroom 2 years ago
we probably have kill switch on all irans equipment lol
OlderG0ds 2 years ago 15
we better have a kill switch XD
boboriginal 1 year ago
@OlderG0ds its iraq retard
amp85122 1 year ago
@amp85122 he never said it wasn't retard
cokefan3 1 year ago
we'll just send us one of our predator drones out there and blow every one of them off the face of the earth. simple, efficient, and messy. thats how it ought to be. keep kickin ass us military. showem whos boss!
fabiank313 2 years ago
We should sell old m60 tanks or russian made tanks, there is no way we should be selling our m1's that could end up in iran china and north korea they can't be series....
redfirekla 2 years ago
U can't be serious to sell such technology to foreign power. We if they are compartmentalize in the near future then we have to go up against our own technology (what since do that make)? That why we have issues now with Al-Quida , they are using weapons that was sold to them by us.
ghostcookie 2 years ago
@ghostcookie We are having problems with Al Qaeda because since the dawn of the written word they have picked a fight with someone. Their weapons don't really make a difference. It's all the oxygen starved nutjobs that keep joining the cause.
rphinks 1 year ago
If its a few then ok..cause if we do get into it with them later on then we have the firepower to blow the hell out of it.
sizemo7 2 years ago
yea the yanks should defo not sell em bbut fear not if they do and tha iraquies turn on us the british challenger 2 will soon stop em :-)
Bogleetto 2 years ago 2
It's called the Arms Race, it's all business.
CemetaryDreamer 2 years ago
We just don't get it. We gave training and weapons to the Mujaheddin in Afganistan in the 80's to defend themselves from invading Russians. The Mujaheddin are now more Al-Quida members than anything else. Same for Venezuela, who's dictator hates us now. So, let's give Iraq our technology to use against us later on too. Leave American weapons and tactics for America. Fuck the rest of them, good cops or no. They should be able to take care of their own damn selves or die trying. Just like we do.
rangerstubbs76 2 years ago 14
true
I feel bad and want to help but I think its best for america to look out for america.
MadddSkeelz 2 years ago
Bah, Iraq use these against US? I think we've seen twice now that Iraqi military just doesn't stand a chance we took them out in a few weeks in both wars lol. And now Saddam is rotting in the ground so Iraq probably won't be going to war with anyone.
OlderG0ds 2 years ago
@OlderG0ds The Iraqi Army had poor training and outdated equipment. If they had had Abrams and decent training, they could have put up a greater resistance. I'm not saying they would have won, but they certainly would have inflicted greater casualties on U.S. forces.
niuchemist 1 year ago
@rangerstubbs76 i could not agree more...
misteryman765 1 year ago
what people have to realize is that those Iraqi cops are just like our cops. there are some lazy ones, some corrupt ones... and some guys who want to put on a uniform in the morning, go out, and serve and protect.
they want to keep their friends and family safe, they want to keep their streets clean.
give an Abrams to a good cop that knows the streets, see how fast he puts a HESH into an Al Queda house and starts yelling "yeah motherfuckers, not in my town!" in Farsi
viper3183 2 years ago
Yeah we shouldn't give them tanks. My dad was in Vietnam. It's the same then as it is now. In Vietnam both sides looked the same. They could be on the U.S. side one night.. And shooting at you the next. Same for the sand niggers in Iraq.
lethalforce 2 years ago
i dont think we should sell our tanks to them,, hell no!! they might even use those tanks on us....like how they trained the iraq police to fight with us and most of the iraq police turned against us cause they were with the taliban
xTAKEEx 2 years ago
why did they stop making the patton tanks they were great
n00bskilla06 2 years ago
105mm gun (too small), 40+ years old, lack of proper armor systems that are stock (not just strapped on reactive armor), and generally inefficient at doing its job. especially now that warfare isn't conventional anymore (the patton was excellent in the gulf war, marine M60's took back Kuwait International Airport)
the Stryker MGS could have become the new patton but 1. its wheeled, 2. its got a low amount of rounds, and 3. it can't turn 360 degrees, the M2 browning is in the way, lol.
1234Ashlite 2 years ago
@1234Ashlite 120mm gun not 105, that was changed before the gun ever saw combat. armor remains classified because after 40 years it still can't be penetrated (no combat losses in abrams due to enemy fire), tank does 60+ mph, keeps crews alive. do your research
catf1sh1812 2 years ago
Boy you do your name honor, noob. That question was not serious, I'm sure.
himmelhund69 2 years ago
now lets give the sand nigers tanks
grimluck13 2 years ago
Hahah exactly what I was thinking.
NCOProductions 2 years ago
ridiclarous to believe this will help the iraqi's to defend themself over terrorist organisations, you cant defend yourself against suicide bombers
smirko 2 years ago
why not? helps us to fight terrorism im sure they can put it to good use
OlderG0ds 2 years ago
Any weapon can be overcome. Todays weapon will be beaten by Tommorrows.
We need to sell product, and a stripped version, will be no threat to our fully loaded model. Tanks, Guns, Bombs...it's the fight in the man, (woman) not the man in the fight. Iran might have to worry.
nwannal 2 years ago
The US is selling the Iraqi army M1 Abrams that are stripped of all the Soldier XXII Systems there Abrams are the basic ones they wont even have sabots
Okri 2 years ago 2
will they have the chabum armor
Cjones008 2 years ago
well thats better, but still
yootubematt 2 years ago
you know what freaks me out.....a Marine buddy of mine just got back from Iraq. He has a high functioning autistic cousin, and he told me honestly that his cousin is more qualified mentally and physically than the average iraqi guard soldier. He went on to say that that's the only reason why the US is still in Iraq, because if we pulled out now, in less than 6 months Iraq would fall. And now, we are going to give them Abrams tanks...so, in 15 years, when we go back, we'll be battling M1's...
Biscuitchris7again 2 years ago
New Iraqi Army
Total Army:(265,607)
Total Paramilitary:(242,212)
Total Troops:(558,279)
Tanks:
(140)M1A1 Abrams
(100)T-72 Satan
(72)T-55
T95BlackEagle 2 years ago
why the fuck would america sell them a tank just so they can use it against us
mufflerbearin 2 years ago
thats wat i was thinkin myself
dominic970 2 years ago
i was thinking the same thing.next there gonna be sellin the apaches and F22s to them.
dominic970 2 years ago
all that makes me think of is a terrorist jabbering away while the plane plummets into the iraqi desert :L :L :L
Robaaaayy 2 years ago
It's to help them defend themselves. If we ever went to war with the Iraq government then we could easily defeat their poor air force and with complete control of the sky the M1 would have no chance against stealth fighters and bombers. We'd never have to engage them on the ground and we'd have an easy victory.
23GrandMasterK 2 years ago
wow someone wants to get rid of there crap (the us probably wants to sell its older tanks), this tank is one of the most expensive tanks in the world and also one of the most expensive tanks to maintain. true its one of the best but Iraq cant afford to use the tank. cant the Americans give the Iraqis some Russian tanks that are a lot more cheaper to maintain/use?
shelory 2 years ago
Youve got to be fucking kidding me did you hear what they said the tanks aren't being used to scare the enemy's today we just wanna sell them some today how fucking stupid lets sell them some tank so they can come back tomorrow to get the rest of them by force tomorrow
buddude12345 2 years ago 2
Yes sell them some some weapons, then come back in another 5 years time complaining they have gotten too powerful and pose a threat to the US again.
pikmindoctor 3 years ago
WRONG leopard 2 is better^^
dunnobutwayne 3 years ago
M1 is good but shouldn't they mabey design tanks that can withstand these new sniper rifles that can hit through armour? Tanks kick ass but these new rifles they're bringing out kick even more ass =/
WoWsuckes 3 years ago
Offensive power has always dwarfed defensive power. By the time they build a tank that can resist the new rifles an even newer rifle will come out that can peirce the new tank.
Karascool 3 years ago
no sniper rifle can penetrate an M1
buddieG420 3 years ago
i think he's talking about a 20mm anti-armor rifle, and if he is, they have been around since WW1, soon after the introduction of tanks.
th3boy75 2 years ago
because its british
conorjm2k8 3 years ago
cuse ur queer
popscoop12 3 years ago
well i highly doubt the hajis will be able to work one of these....
poonjoo 3 years ago
I say sell it and get out of there.
360mopar360 3 years ago
im in the australian armoured core light cavalry and the last time i was near one of those when it fired my ears were bleeding. they are fucking loud, fucking massive and fucking awsome.
helghasttrooper5073 3 years ago
fonk
kazouta 3 years ago
We dont produce T-72 dumbass.
CAPCBMERRITT 3 years ago
Yeah! Giving away tanks to the Iraqi army only to come back again and fight them in about ten years! U.S.A! Huzzah!
Rahab111222 3 years ago
dumbass we dont produce T-72's
CAPCBMERRITT 3 years ago
WHAT?!?! "Soon to be in the Iraqi Army arsenal"?!?!?!?!!?!? BIG mistake, BIG mistake!!!
HazeGreyAndUnderway 3 years ago
their government loves us man, lets not forget too, we dont sell our top of the line gear to anyone but israel
and they still have 0 air capability ;)
Floridanon407 3 years ago
israel with 0 air capability? they have a powerful airforce, at least for a middle eastern one.
andyman2223 3 years ago
no its not, it will help them defend themselves, help ous get out faster, and besides, according to idiot millitary officials and general, I guess the Abrams is becoming, "outdated" and is to heavy for widespreade use these days so, I guess, in about 5-10 years, that tank will be comsidered yesterdays technology, though it will be better than what, if the future combate sytems is completed, we will be useing then.
ECWUSA1995 3 years ago
challenger 2 is better
Marcus4president 3 years ago
no its not its the major consensus around the world by experts that our thank id the best in the world
ECWUSA1995 3 years ago
why is challenger 2 better?
GHOSTSHADOW1 3 years ago
Will they remove the DU armor plates?
Boinkmakr 3 years ago