Heres an experiment with the lifter which I believe would disprove either anti-gravity or ionic wind once and for all.. here is my thought for an experiment. Get a clear sealing 2 litre plastic pop botttle and remove any labels....smaller bottle of the same nature may be neccessary depending on height and fill it till it looks half full of smoke...a bong may be better lol....but since smoke like to rise and gravity likes to pull...then if smoke is up then ionic wind...smoke down then gravity
@Activation2012 Actually, the smoke will follow the air that is being carried by the ions in the downward direction. If the device produces it's own gravity, then the smoke would gather in the gravity field, making a smoke bubble that is encompassed by the gravity field.
Those who believe it is anti-gravity have no idea what gravity is. It's a very easy concept that has been proven by experiment.
Place a box fan on it's back and support the edges with a chair. Place a lifter on top & power up the fan. Do the smoke test. Then power up the lifter also and do another smoke test. I'm curious to see which way, where, and how the smoke "flows". There is more to this effect than ion wind. That is why this technology went "black" in the early 1950's. Please do this experiment. I'll sub so I don't miss it. Thanks for your time. Peace.
@Cloudy2Clear No, it's just ion wind. Back in the 1920s, a young man named Thomas Townsend Brown discovered that if he charged a capacitor with high voltage direct current, the capacitor would exhibit thrust in the direction of the + positive electrode
@UnderManlac Yes, TT Brown had a device and so did Searl. Beamshipcaptain keeps mentioning the lift provided is several orders of magnitude above what is produced by ion wind alone. Any thoughts on this as I am a relative rookie.
I don't believe there's such a thing as "anti gravity," but I also agree with @only1egg that there's something else going on besides the ion wind. Ion wind alone would not have sufficient force to lift an object like this lifter.
@HungryGuyStories You are right not believing in anti-gravity. Gravity (which experiments confirm) is the bending of space time by an object with mass. Kind of like a rubber sheet bends under the weight of a heavy ball. But with space-time and mass, you must imagine it in the 3 dimensions of space.
Saying that, you'd have to bend space in the opposite direction of the bend the earth makes. This would take an energy field as massive as the earth (e=mc²).
However, the ion wind (with a high enough voltage) could be the main reason the lifter is so energetic as it is in the video. The lifter is made from balsa wood and aluminum foil, both extremely light materials.
The smoke test indicates an ion wind. A more comprehensive smoke test is necessary, such as introducing a smoke machine. Ion thrust could also be playing a part here. I have a project in one of my books on an ion motor (releases ions making the rod turn).
@UnderManlac - I agree. To make the lifter even lighter, someone at ESJ did an experiment using a very thin film of aluminum over a thin plastic membrane, and the ions "ate" trace lines through the aluminum, breaking the electrical circuit, and causing the lifter to fail.
@sulthus know kidding some times i wonder if these persons even know what the hell there talking about. they even had this on mythbusters and it was proved to be just to be ion wind not some crazy anti gravity.
I’ve thought of this subject since I was 13, I am now 44. It's great seeing a model ion/magnetic resistant based engine, at least for me. Next step, ion control, this thing has no control to it, but it does prove ion propulsion can work like a particle jet. Now, get a strong, super dense plasma beam use ion emission to cause displacement, we propel off the directed plasma beam and we might be able to ride light at its speed.
Why is it so difficult to prove? put it in a ziplock bag and on a gram scale. Does the weight decrease? If so there are forces other than ionic wind. I'm not sure why this is a debate or why there aren't vids solving the debate.
Look at the smoke. It is going down. Therefore, charged air ions are being forced down lifting it, and creating a low pressure zone which sucks the smoke in.
its was my understanding that electogravitic effect was achieved by use lets say 3 capacitors highy highy charged in a triangular formation to produce stability as the germans did in their hanabu 1 2 3 4 5 and Andormedia ships just basically capacitors holding huge amounts of voltage?out of curiosity have u done reasearch on the sucessfully built and flown VRIL and Hanabu "space craft" the germans developed during and before WW2?
Make it out of heavier material and see if it still lifts. There would probably be enough ion flow to lift a balsar construction but not one of stone-which might rule out an electro-gravitic effect.
This experiment shows the lift produces thrust. If it had anything to do with anti-gravity (producing it's own gravity well, we'd see the smoke accumulate in that gravity well. However, we see it dissipate exactly like it would if thrust were involved.
The smoke shows there is an ion wind being generated, or rather the lifter is producing thrust.
If it had generated it's own gravity well, the the smoke would gather in that well and accumulate. We'd see the gathering smoke in the gravity well this thing has created. Yet the smoke dissipates like one would expect with moving air.
The smoke shows there is an ion wind being generated, or rather the lifter is producing thrust.
If it had generated it's own gravity well, the the smoke would gather in that well and accumulate. We'd see the gathering smoke in the gravity well this thing has created. Yet the smoke dissipates like one would expect with moving air.
The smoke shows there is an ion wind being generated, or rather the lifter is producing thrust.
If it had generated it's own gravity well, the the smoke would gather in that well and accumulate. We'd see the gathering smoke in the gravity well this thing has created. Yet the smoke dissipates like one would expect with moving air.
Your smoke tests are not very clear, you need more smoke lots of it. A bee smoker might be enough. Try placing your experiment in an upside down aquarium filled with smoke. I believe you would get a better grasp of whats really going on. Just my input. Not really a science geek, just common sense.
@xhinuh I am tired of ignorant fools saying that it is upside down... These devices do infact fly. The string is there both to keep it from flying too high and from simply flipping over because it has no means of keeping itself stable. If you need proof mythbusters used one of these in an episode about antigravity. They did however prove that it is not antigravity and that it is just ion thrust holding it up.
Just looked up ion wind. Even if this thing does operate on ion wind wouldn't it be fairly useful technology since ions can be produced at any point within the earths atmosphere?
@ovniforos so you need a very high voltage to get a small amount of thrust? I don't know what Tesla had in mind when he claimed he was gonna provide the world with wireless electricity but I remember in his autobiography he mentioned using it to power planes in the sky. Maybe when we rediscover what Tesla was talking about we will be able to provide lifters with sufficient voltage while they're in flight.
@BogMonkey53 I can tell you what tessla had in mind. He thought that he could use a tessla coil not only to transmit power wirelessly over great distances (which is true). But also to use the earth's atmosphere like a rechargable battery. One which would be recharged constantly by the same processes that generate thunderstorms. Many people claim he beleives in "free energy" What they mean to say is overunity, but there is no overunity in it. It is just harvesting a renewable resource.
@MrAwsome514 I read a few places that he wanted to charge the ionosphere. The would pretty much turn the ionosphere into negative battery terminal. The ground is neutral so it would be like the positive terminal. Better yet you could use some kinda positively charged spire. I'd say it would be similar to lightning. Air is a terrible conductor though so maybe a helium balloon attached to a conductive string would be better.
@ovniforos It is hardly deadly. Though it is high voltage it is also very low ampherage. If it shocked you yes it would hurt like hell however it is not going to kill you.
What would happen if you made a giant lifter say 100 times the size with 100 times the voltage. Also what does it take to weight that one down? Not much I'm assuming. What I'm really getting at is attaching a battery to it to see how high it would go but a battery would weight that thing down. Interesting shit that the smoke is attracted to it from the sides. I don't even know what ion wind is but I'll look into it.
I don't understand how the Ion wind generated has anything to do do with the lifter moving off the ground. It's not like the sides of the lifter are wing shapes allowing low pressure air flow to create lift. So what if there is air movement or so what if it can't be done in a vacuum, I am yet to get an adequate explanation of what is going on here.
The problem with doing the test in a vacuum is that the conductivity of air increases as pressure is reduced until around 5mm of Hg at which point the conductivity decreases with decreasing pressure. The problem is that the lifter will short out as the pressure approaches 5mm. If the lifter is shorted out it does not work. So it wont work in medium vacuum. Hence one could erroneously conclude that the lifter wont work in a vacuum. It wont unless it is well below 5mm Hg. (See Maxwell's treatise)
Could you try using a better smoke generator as suggested below? Also did you perform the smoke test with the polarity reversed? Negative wire and positive plate. Also you should show that it requires more voltage to cause lift when the polarity is reversed. Dry ice in ethanol sounds like it would work very well.
might wanna try with different lighting. make everything dark and then shine a bright light on the lifter. Also don't move the smoke source around like a shaman trying to purfiy the lifter.
Ion propulsion is the source of the lifter's 'lift' aka: wind.
HOW IT WORKS:
The current running through the wire induces an electrical field around it. This field charges the air around it. The charged air is then drawn electrostatically to the non-charged aluminum plates. The resulting motion of this air is what we in the science field call 'wind'.
Reversing the polarity would NOT change the direction of lift. The charged particles would be drawn to the non-charged plate regardless.
I suspect you'll find that the 'ion wind' is by no means powerful enough to effect lift. This is electrostatic repulsion - just as you can attract small particles of paper to a charged amber rod, so too you can cause repulsion if rod and particles have the same charge. These things apparently do work (better?) in a vacuum, which is what we'd expect with electrostatic repulsion.
@L00NGB00W the plate is charged to the opposite potential, not neutral, but correct. By his logic, if I were to flip the polarity to a flashlight, it'd make the room darker.
@L00NGB00W you are absolutley correct many people are to stuborn to belive this is a hoaxe, but are not at all to stuborn to begin beliving in the first place. for anyone who doesn't belive, watch a test of one of these in a vacuum, no lift at all. But, just because it isn't truly antigravity, that doesn't mean it isn't usefull technology. these are amazing little devices and some are so efficient that there a few the size of your thumb that can lift up to 1 pound.
@L00NGB00W Wait, how are ions drawn to a non-charged material like aluminum? I thought aluminum was a non-ferris metal...can you please elaborate more for me please?
@randomdude10010 Think static electricity. The high voltage wire sets up an electrical field around it. (Not a magnetic field) Any ions within it become charged, and electrically drawn to the non- charged aluminum.
It's the same reason why electricity runs to ground. It goes from an area of high potential voltage, to an area with less potential voltage.
Is there any film footage of one of these in a wet environment, such as rain? I have some slight concern about high voltages and a conducting atmosphere condition.
Perhaps someone who has a small unit could use a plant mister over it to create a conducting environment? Any offers?
If you insulate the high voltage wire from the conductive environment, then a lifter would even offer propulsion under-water. By ionizing and propelling the water itself.
However, using lifters such as this one in humid environments would likely destroy it or make it not work as desired.
I flew thes in fog-tests in 2002. The moistue beaded all over the foil, and theunit was drenched. No effect. Force is the same, with no noise, and no extra arcing.
In your other video you suggested that reversing the polarity would cause the device to work in reverse. It is interesting that in your smoke test you did not reverse the polarity as you did in the other video. If you wanted to prove that it is not the ionization holding it up wouldnt having it push the smoke up as it flys be all the proof you need? So why would you not include a reversed polarity test? Unless... the smoke still goes down. Then you would look like the misleading fool you are.
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I like how he uses the X-Files theme for this video. Most folks think that show was about aliens. What it was about was the suspicion of criminal or anti-human (alien) behaviour in others, like what Mulder perceived the Cigarette Smoking man & cronies to be. That's why Chris Carter made Mulder an FBI agent, because the FBI investigates criminal behaviour, which the show postulates through metaphor to be 'un-human' or 'alien'. Being separated from my evil side has brought some neat insights....
Hey everyone, peace and love: I used to make a real pest of myself trying to tell everyone that lifters would fly in vacuums, and I was wrong. It's only an ion-wind effect, You can see for yourself: NASA/CR—2004-213312 (google that) and look at page 6, paragraph one. Also google 'gravitec inc data talley', download the pdf and read the conclusions on page 91. They are both PDF's that everyone can find, and I apologize for being so insane.
even wikipedia (YOUR MAIN SOURCE OF INFO, CLEARLY), states that Hutchinson is a fraud, and that many claims of military interest, were possibly fabricated by himself.
its strange how you use a semi-respectable journal like popular mechanics as a reference, yet deny the existence of simple continuum mechanics.
lol you really have your reality dictated to you don't you, because a few people in power pay to have hutchinson's work denounced you swallow it hook line and sinker, Boyd Bushman a top scientist at Lockheed and Martin spoke of Hutchinson's work with high regards after viewing it. The Canadian Government took his work away. You clearly do not understand suppression, again watch the war on cold fusion.
you know, you almost had me fooled for a second. when you made a comment about SPACE/TIME/GRAVITY being related, i thought you may actually have a brain.
But then you reminded me that you blindly follow Hutchinson (the crank), and i was reminded of how completely fucking dumb you are.
get back to saying Einstein is wrong (then agree with him 5 minutes later)
part 2: Hutchinson's work was very real, because your peers taught you it was not does not change this fact. In fact if you understood what was happening like I do you would expect to see exactly what the Hutchinson effect does. In the same manner if one truly understood electrical generating systems are a continuously feed system and not a closed loop as we are taught,
part 1: hmmm so a person can not be wright about one thing and wrong on another issue? It is obvious time, gravity and space are related because we have proved this. We have not proved the theory of relativity though, that is because it is wrong, planets orbits are due to a attraction as well as a repulsion, much like what takes place inside an atom.
The ionocraft's lift is based on the current (intensity) not the voltage (though that one has to be very high for it to work anyway, we're talking 50kV in the corona wire).
Anyway, ionocrafts generate about 1g of lift per watt. A 70kg human + 20kg bag come in at 90000g, or 90000W. And we're not including the craft (or the generator, it's not like you can keep it wired).
1.6 MPH is enough to get lift, that is 1.6 MPH over the entire opening, and also it is not the speed of the air, but also the volume of air it is moving. There is no anti gravity, there is no warp field that lowers mass here. Wishful thinking from watching too many SciFi or UFO related programs on cable. The BiefeldBrown effect is well known, and many music teachers or sports coaches that are wannabe EEs either are frauds, or do not completely understand and fall prey to big equations.
We ran a lab for Stanford and key components for the Stanford solar center were designed and built here. These lifters are just another cool electrical toy, but they are not Warp drives, nor do they lower mass within the field, nor does it change gravity. That is all SciFi fantasy. But they are cool toys. Try using a hard heavy wood, for if it is really anti gravity, it would not have to be built of balsa wood.
part 4: I have made objects lose weight by ionizing them, i have also found monoatomic elements on my cathode of my water fuel cell that made my cathode lose 13 grams from heating. It is time for people to grow up and connect the dots so we can move along, it's no wounder this information is so easy to suppress, no one thinks for themselves anymore.
part 2: 6.5 billion years. In fact if it was not for these 2 fundamental fields of energy there would be no orbits, no spiraling galaxy's, no flat galaxies period. Look water ionises at room temperature, this is how a heavy molecule can hang in our air, lightning (electrons) add electrons back to the ionised water molecules, and rain falls back down once again bloated with electrons, there is also electron sharing in the clouds causing rain with no lightning.
what do unstable water molecules have to do with gravity?
i thought gravity was merely the curved geodesic of space due to mass, but what would i know i'm no rocket scientist (only an aerospace systems engineer-or colloquially a rocket scientist haha)
part 3: If you are who you say you are you will do the test and get back to me. If you want to really learn about orbits look up strepulstion, this fundamental repulsion field can be utilized, this should interest you. I have made objects lose weight by simply draining electrons, this is truly how water such a heavy molecule can hang in our atmosphere.
its electromagnetic induction you fucking retard. but as youre so great, i guess you knew that already.
i googled "strepulstion", and found NOTHING .
you either can't spell the subject you use as a reference, or it is some made up shit, made up by an unacademic moron like yourself.
water does not HANG in the atmosphere, it is pushed down by static pressure, which is kept together by GRAVITY and the earths magnetospere. thats why air is denser at low altitude.
part 2: Anti gravity is right in front of us, we would not be here without it, it is what makes up our atmosphere. Einstein's theory of relativity is wrong, if you want to manipulate gravity magnetize a nail 12 volts 50 amps on scales, you will see weight fluctuations.
> we would not be here without it, it is what makes up our atmosphere
You're batshit insane to say the least (and what makes up our atmosphere is a bunch of basic gases: dry air contains roughly (by volume) 78.08% nitrogen, 20.95% oxygen, 0.93% argon, 0.038% carbon dioxide, and trace amounts of other gases. Air also contains a variable amount of water vapor, on average around 1%.)
Yeah yeah, caps lock might be cruise control for cool, but on Internet chat systems, forums and Usenet, typing a sentence in all capitals is considered rude, the large letters akin to shouting or yelling within the social context. In fact many people read all-caps phrases exactly that way and make them "shouty" in their internal wording. And it's pretty damn annoying.
Yes but when you look at other work and connect the dots you see the mistakes made in our current explanations of these units, I have made objects lose weight by draining electrons with no ion wind, i have made objects lose weight with no ion wind by having ions held in a solid state and just being attached to an object and adding heat. Electrons are related to gravity, look at john Hutchinson's work, he messed with the atoms covalent bonds electrons and got anti gravity.
Hutchinson was crazy, his videos had visible wires "levitating" his objects, and he was denounced as a FRAUD when his experiments couldnt be reproduced (maybe they werent OPEN MINDED enough hahahaha).
anyone can mess with covalent bonds-its called CHEMISTRY. but then i guess thats a field that involves maths, so we probably shouldnt discuss it in too much detail huh?
it's all very nice claiming to be a free-thinker, but are ANY of your references GENUINE scientists?
I don't need math to prove the theory of relativity is wrong, it's common sense to someone that can think for him self. the moon can not maintain an orbit for 4.5 billion years if it where just gravity, there would be no orbits, galaxies, flat galaxies period if this where the case. We would not be here if the theory of relativity where correct, i love NASAs little vid of the moons orbit where they just take the moon and place it back out when it gets to close to the earth. *rolls eyes*
"I don't need math to prove the theory of relativity is wrong"
yes, you do. at some point, if you don't want to be a laughing stock, you need maths to prove it wrong. THATS A DEFINITE.
"it's common sense to someone that can think for him self."
AAH, of course, the "free-thinker". yeah man, you're really thinking outside the box. you have just repeated yourself. claiming to be a free-thinker is NOT an answer to anything. You're just trying to be INSULTING to hide your own shame.
Yes but why do these gasses defy gravity, they are not subject to gravity like we are, are they. If it where just gravity non of us would be here. There are other fundamental forces at work.lol at batshit crazy, you guys type about it like you know all about it but fail to see the big picture right in front of your face. ionisation leads to anti gravity.
part 1: The question is can you think for your self? Will you ever invent or come up with new ideas or are you just book smart. If you think our current explanation of orbits is correct you are most likely just book smart.
ionocrafts have been "invented" in the 60s at the height of EHD experiments, they're not exactly new. And they're pretty well understood. Check the corresponding wikipedia page.
look up strepulsion, even NASA was all over it, and magnetize a nail on scales 12 volts 50 amps, until then you are waisting my time. And just as I thought, nothing but book smart, a good memory does not equal intelligence. Lets see what you got, look up tidal bulging and explain to me how it affects the moon and why. I find I have to deal with idiots like you with questions so tell me how water, such a heavy molecule can hang in our atmosphere.
> I did. It's kooky-stamped crap. Not worth bothering with for a second.
lol I guess you know better than NASA because they where all over it. Of course until they would have to acknowledge anti gravity and anti gravity equals over unity. look up tidal bulging and the moon and explain to be what that field of energy is ;) Without a repulsion field and a attraction field we would not have orbits period.
The Military took Hutchinson's work VERY seriously. Have you looked up the Wingless Electromagnetic Aerial Vehicle in a popular mechanics article yet? Have you looked up tidal bulging and the moon yet? care to explain what field of energy this is? Of course I would be laughed at in your university, those are set up to brainwash not teach.
im not going to humour you anymore. you havent answered a single one of my questions, despite my gentle introduction to classical fluid mechanics I HAVE answered your crazy claims, yet all you can do is spout off nonsense about "suppression", "free thinking" and "brainwashing".
you are an idiot.
and you insult one viewer by stating he "knows better than NASA", yet claim to know better than Einsten yourself.
Such foul language from someone pretending to be intelligent, the WEAV when we are allowed to have it will be proven not to be an ion wind, that's an excuse to maintain the status quo, look up how the B-2 bomber charges it's wings to gain in speed and save tremendous amounts of fuel. The WEAV will also have time differentials as well because time, gravity and space are related, i don't expect you to understand this at your stage yet though. Perhaps one day.
part 3: cool, google Wingless Electromagnetic Aerial Vehicle in a popular mechanics article. It is a crud version of there technology, it will lead to time dilations, anti gravity, and interdimensional travel.
part 3: one would expect to see a plasma./ion field around the Searl affect with levitation. Something they could not have imagined in there time I am sure. I see you still have not done my simple test to show you weight fluxuations by magnetizing a nail with 12 volts DC 50 amps. I not only saw weight fluctuations but pinned a fried to the counter with an invisible field of energy.
now i have heard it all. give me a proper ACADEMIC REFERENCE, or fuck off.
Searl AND Hutchinson are both cranks, like yourself. they both claim to be supressed free-thinkers, especially when asked to provide any maths to back up their ludicrous claims.
you are an idiot. your only references are PROVEN cranks in the scientific community. you havent answered a SINGLE question.
part 2: I have doubled my fuel mileage with a negatively charged water fuel cell, achieved anti gravity in a few different ways because i understand it, Hutchinson has messed with electrons (covalent bonds) and achieved anti gravity as well as Searl has, You have no proof at all we have not, you have your opinion NOTHING more. You sir will never do anything great, you are doomed to repeat outdated science. In other words you are brainwashed.
part 1: Proven cranks? Where is the proof? You clearly can not think for your self, you don't understand it is up to us to do the work, provide the information and idiots like you to do the work showing us wrong, instead you call our work anecdotal and quote 100 year old out dated text books backing your claims.
I would not even know how to do the math, you can view my 3 years worth of work at griffinsofdawnDOTcom, general forums page 6, or 7 now titled free energy source. I do know it's very real though and I do not need the math to understand what I have seen and done with my own eyes. To be honest I don't even understand how you would do the math on something like this?
Peer-reviewed journals like NATURE, PHYSICAL REVIEW, FOUNDATIONS OF PHYSICS LETTERS. The ones that you refuse to read, because you are sick, and obtuse.
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Russ, I just got the okay from BeamshipGeneral to go ahead and let everyone know the specific articles to which you refer in those magazines, you can provide links and references, and are free to stop all the obfuscation. No point in hiding it, they've got us. Hey, can we join together and become whole again like Captain Kirk did in "The Enemy Within?" That's a rather poignant title, "The Enemy Within", meaning we are our own worst enemies... we say stupid things and don't realize it.
Peer reviewd, like NATURE, FOUNDATIONS OF PHYSICS LETTERS, AIAA, STAIF, INE, FOUNDATIONS OF PHYSICS, Z.NATURFORSCH, TECHNICAL PHYSICS LETTERS, INTERAVIA, AVIATION WEEK AND SPACE TECHNOLOGY, I will run out of space before I am able to list all the technical paers describing mathematically what is going on with forcefield propulsion. Wheeler united ZPE quantum mechanics calculations and general and special relativity, and came up with geometrodyynamisc. Also Burkhard Heim: KONTRABARIC EFFEKT.
@1freedomfighter11 very true. There seems to be no shortage of people desperately trying to discredit the ideas of innovative thinkers but even if they could discredit them what do they gain from doing this? Instead of trying to put down inventors and free thinkers they should be out trying to come up with inventions and discoveries themselves. I suppose its what Einstein meant when he said "all great spirits receive violent opposition from mediocre minds".
@BogMonkey53 You want to know what they gain from exposing frauds and conmen? Well sir they themselves gain nothing directly. But what they do achieve is the knowledge that they have prevented a conman from fooling hundreds or maybe even thousands of people into trying to follow them in thier research instead of starting thier own research into something that actually has a chance of working.
Hypnotek, you are the failure. We are the doers. You like to live in a dream world of your own making, and conveniently ignore working devices and published papers, to suit your own misguidedness. Which is a really stupid and deranged attitude o your part.
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the real part 2: think about are atmosphere for a few minutes and you will see anti gravity. Learn to think for your self. Also dark matter, dark energy is not some strange phenomenon in space, the planets themselves have a repulsion field as well as gravity, this is how the moon can maintain its orbit for
"think about are atmosphere for a few minutes and you will see anti gravity."
you are full of shit. WHERE will i see anti-gravity? you spouted off some crap about electrons and dark energy, i didnt see your example of "anti-gravity" in our atmosphere.
part 1: Its not ion wind that lifts them, electrons are directly related to gravity, you guys are funny you believe any crap flung at you if it is by your peers regardless af what is in there best interest, you seem like a fairly smart fella magnetize a nail on scales and you will see weight fluctuations,
Heres an experiment with the lifter which I believe would disprove either anti-gravity or ionic wind once and for all.. here is my thought for an experiment. Get a clear sealing 2 litre plastic pop botttle and remove any labels....smaller bottle of the same nature may be neccessary depending on height and fill it till it looks half full of smoke...a bong may be better lol....but since smoke like to rise and gravity likes to pull...then if smoke is up then ionic wind...smoke down then gravity
Activation2012 3 months ago
@Activation2012 Actually, the smoke will follow the air that is being carried by the ions in the downward direction. If the device produces it's own gravity, then the smoke would gather in the gravity field, making a smoke bubble that is encompassed by the gravity field.
Those who believe it is anti-gravity have no idea what gravity is. It's a very easy concept that has been proven by experiment.
UnderManlac 1 month ago
wonder if you blow herb smoke into it what would happen
TheHookahDude 3 months ago
Place a box fan on it's back and support the edges with a chair. Place a lifter on top & power up the fan. Do the smoke test. Then power up the lifter also and do another smoke test. I'm curious to see which way, where, and how the smoke "flows". There is more to this effect than ion wind. That is why this technology went "black" in the early 1950's. Please do this experiment. I'll sub so I don't miss it. Thanks for your time. Peace.
Cloudy2Clear 4 months ago
@Cloudy2Clear No, it's just ion wind. Back in the 1920s, a young man named Thomas Townsend Brown discovered that if he charged a capacitor with high voltage direct current, the capacitor would exhibit thrust in the direction of the + positive electrode
UnderManlac 1 month ago
@UnderManlac Yes, TT Brown had a device and so did Searl. Beamshipcaptain keeps mentioning the lift provided is several orders of magnitude above what is produced by ion wind alone. Any thoughts on this as I am a relative rookie.
Cloudy2Clear 1 month ago
congratulations, you have built a flying ion source
clearly, the design can be improved, but as a first version is good enough
discretinator 6 months ago
J'imagine déjà les futur voiture volante que cette découverte pourrais nous apporter.
Même si cette technologie ne marche pas dans le vide spatial peu importe ça reste une avancé pour la terre.
De toute façon il y a peu de chose à découvrir dans l'espace proche, sur terre il nous sera plus utile.
drumersong 7 months ago
..... Other words of this so called phenomenon is a Electro-thermal-dynamic thruster.
Charges travel from the wire to the aluminum in a form of ions. The ions move the air molecules with it which in term create thrust
legox50 7 months ago 2
It is quite clear that this is an ion wind effect. If you measured the velocity of the wind, you could calculate the force and prove it.
zigzigerblat 8 months ago
I don't believe there's such a thing as "anti gravity," but I also agree with @only1egg that there's something else going on besides the ion wind. Ion wind alone would not have sufficient force to lift an object like this lifter.
HungryGuyStories 8 months ago
@HungryGuyStories You are right not believing in anti-gravity. Gravity (which experiments confirm) is the bending of space time by an object with mass. Kind of like a rubber sheet bends under the weight of a heavy ball. But with space-time and mass, you must imagine it in the 3 dimensions of space.
Saying that, you'd have to bend space in the opposite direction of the bend the earth makes. This would take an energy field as massive as the earth (e=mc²).
UnderManlac 6 months ago
However, the ion wind (with a high enough voltage) could be the main reason the lifter is so energetic as it is in the video. The lifter is made from balsa wood and aluminum foil, both extremely light materials.
The smoke test indicates an ion wind. A more comprehensive smoke test is necessary, such as introducing a smoke machine. Ion thrust could also be playing a part here. I have a project in one of my books on an ion motor (releases ions making the rod turn).
UnderManlac 6 months ago
@UnderManlac - I agree. To make the lifter even lighter, someone at ESJ did an experiment using a very thin film of aluminum over a thin plastic membrane, and the ions "ate" trace lines through the aluminum, breaking the electrical circuit, and causing the lifter to fail.
HungryGuyStories 5 months ago
Its not difficult put the damned thing in a vacuum
sulthus 1 year ago
@sulthus know kidding some times i wonder if these persons even know what the hell there talking about. they even had this on mythbusters and it was proved to be just to be ion wind not some crazy anti gravity.
crapthisisalongusern 9 months ago
if my previous post is too cryptic for everybody bot the downloader...
the lifter is falling, and the smoke is rising.
if i could meet the downloader... i would point at him and lmao.
flashypaws 1 year ago
why is this entire video filmed upside down?
haha.. just kiddin.
i know why.
flashypaws 1 year ago
whats the name of the music in this video?
matteo4m 1 year ago
I’ve thought of this subject since I was 13, I am now 44. It's great seeing a model ion/magnetic resistant based engine, at least for me. Next step, ion control, this thing has no control to it, but it does prove ion propulsion can work like a particle jet. Now, get a strong, super dense plasma beam use ion emission to cause displacement, we propel off the directed plasma beam and we might be able to ride light at its speed.
ryanb418 1 year ago
stick it in a vacume..mythbusters confirms no lift in a vacume ie:is an ion wind device..
weldon0m 1 year ago 6
@weldon0m - I like the Mythbusters show, but sometimes they're idiots. They jump to conclusions without doing thorough research.
HungryGuyStories 8 months ago
Why is it so difficult to prove? put it in a ziplock bag and on a gram scale. Does the weight decrease? If so there are forces other than ionic wind. I'm not sure why this is a debate or why there aren't vids solving the debate.
ronmann606 1 year ago
Look at the smoke. It is going down. Therefore, charged air ions are being forced down lifting it, and creating a low pressure zone which sucks the smoke in.
benjwgarner 1 year ago
its was my understanding that electogravitic effect was achieved by use lets say 3 capacitors highy highy charged in a triangular formation to produce stability as the germans did in their hanabu 1 2 3 4 5 and Andormedia ships just basically capacitors holding huge amounts of voltage?out of curiosity have u done reasearch on the sucessfully built and flown VRIL and Hanabu "space craft" the germans developed during and before WW2?
joydivisionthecure 1 year ago
There is an easy way to prove this. Put it in a vacuum. If it still floats than it is not an ion wind effect.
helicrashpro 1 year ago
Make it out of heavier material and see if it still lifts. There would probably be enough ion flow to lift a balsar construction but not one of stone-which might rule out an electro-gravitic effect.
Pulsar205 1 year ago
This experiment shows the lift produces thrust. If it had anything to do with anti-gravity (producing it's own gravity well, we'd see the smoke accumulate in that gravity well. However, we see it dissipate exactly like it would if thrust were involved.
UnderManlac 1 year ago
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The smoke shows there is an ion wind being generated, or rather the lifter is producing thrust.
If it had generated it's own gravity well, the the smoke would gather in that well and accumulate. We'd see the gathering smoke in the gravity well this thing has created. Yet the smoke dissipates like one would expect with moving air.
UnderManlac 1 year ago
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The smoke shows there is an ion wind being generated, or rather the lifter is producing thrust.
If it had generated it's own gravity well, the the smoke would gather in that well and accumulate. We'd see the gathering smoke in the gravity well this thing has created. Yet the smoke dissipates like one would expect with moving air.
UnderManlac 1 year ago
The smoke shows there is an ion wind being generated, or rather the lifter is producing thrust.
If it had generated it's own gravity well, the the smoke would gather in that well and accumulate. We'd see the gathering smoke in the gravity well this thing has created. Yet the smoke dissipates like one would expect with moving air.
UnderManlac 1 year ago
Would a lifter work in a vacuum. like outer space? if it does is it more or less effective in a vacuum. Kinda curious about this neat technology.
brewerbrian420 1 year ago
@brewerbrian420 it would not operate in a vacuum, it relies on some sort of medium to charge and accelerate, producing thrust.
highvoltagefeathers 1 year ago
if increased in size could it help sufficiently to move space shuttles out of the atmosphere?
I accept that's it is an ion wind. I have read enough papers on test of them in a low earth orbit space vacuum
MirageScience 1 year ago
This is witchcraft!!!!
A11ex 1 year ago
interesting
TellinTheTruth 1 year ago
Your smoke tests are not very clear, you need more smoke lots of it. A bee smoker might be enough. Try placing your experiment in an upside down aquarium filled with smoke. I believe you would get a better grasp of whats really going on. Just my input. Not really a science geek, just common sense.
ariearcher 1 year ago
HE IS FILMING IT UP SIDE DOWN
xhinuh 1 year ago
@xhinuh I am tired of ignorant fools saying that it is upside down... These devices do infact fly. The string is there both to keep it from flying too high and from simply flipping over because it has no means of keeping itself stable. If you need proof mythbusters used one of these in an episode about antigravity. They did however prove that it is not antigravity and that it is just ion thrust holding it up.
MrAwsome514 1 year ago
There is aire thrust so this is an airship ! :P
ovniforos 1 year ago
Just looked up ion wind. Even if this thing does operate on ion wind wouldn't it be fairly useful technology since ions can be produced at any point within the earths atmosphere?
BogMonkey53 1 year ago
@BogMonkey53 The problem is the ratio between thrust and power needed, it seems to be not good enough.
ovniforos 1 year ago
@ovniforos so you need a very high voltage to get a small amount of thrust? I don't know what Tesla had in mind when he claimed he was gonna provide the world with wireless electricity but I remember in his autobiography he mentioned using it to power planes in the sky. Maybe when we rediscover what Tesla was talking about we will be able to provide lifters with sufficient voltage while they're in flight.
BogMonkey53 1 year ago
@BogMonkey53 I can tell you what tessla had in mind. He thought that he could use a tessla coil not only to transmit power wirelessly over great distances (which is true). But also to use the earth's atmosphere like a rechargable battery. One which would be recharged constantly by the same processes that generate thunderstorms. Many people claim he beleives in "free energy" What they mean to say is overunity, but there is no overunity in it. It is just harvesting a renewable resource.
MrAwsome514 1 year ago
@MrAwsome514 by charging the ionic gas layer of the earths atmoshpere?
BogMonkey53 1 year ago
@BogMonkey53 Well I dont fully understand exactly how it was supposed to work just the basic concept.
MrAwsome514 1 year ago
@MrAwsome514 I read a few places that he wanted to charge the ionosphere. The would pretty much turn the ionosphere into negative battery terminal. The ground is neutral so it would be like the positive terminal. Better yet you could use some kinda positively charged spire. I'd say it would be similar to lightning. Air is a terrible conductor though so maybe a helium balloon attached to a conductive string would be better.
BogMonkey53 1 year ago
@ovniforos It actually requires a very small amount of power but a very high voltage.
MrAwsome514 1 year ago
@MrAwsome514 A deadly toy you have !
ovniforos 1 year ago
@ovniforos It is hardly deadly. Though it is high voltage it is also very low ampherage. If it shocked you yes it would hurt like hell however it is not going to kill you.
MrAwsome514 1 year ago
What would happen if you made a giant lifter say 100 times the size with 100 times the voltage. Also what does it take to weight that one down? Not much I'm assuming. What I'm really getting at is attaching a battery to it to see how high it would go but a battery would weight that thing down. Interesting shit that the smoke is attracted to it from the sides. I don't even know what ion wind is but I'll look into it.
BogMonkey53 1 year ago
I don't understand how the Ion wind generated has anything to do do with the lifter moving off the ground. It's not like the sides of the lifter are wing shapes allowing low pressure air flow to create lift. So what if there is air movement or so what if it can't be done in a vacuum, I am yet to get an adequate explanation of what is going on here.
mattsonh 1 year ago
The problem with doing the test in a vacuum is that the conductivity of air increases as pressure is reduced until around 5mm of Hg at which point the conductivity decreases with decreasing pressure. The problem is that the lifter will short out as the pressure approaches 5mm. If the lifter is shorted out it does not work. So it wont work in medium vacuum. Hence one could erroneously conclude that the lifter wont work in a vacuum. It wont unless it is well below 5mm Hg. (See Maxwell's treatise)
pmoneil 1 year ago
Are noble gases harder to ionize?
BogMonkey53 1 year ago
Could you try using a better smoke generator as suggested below? Also did you perform the smoke test with the polarity reversed? Negative wire and positive plate. Also you should show that it requires more voltage to cause lift when the polarity is reversed. Dry ice in ethanol sounds like it would work very well.
pmoneil 1 year ago
somebody needs to measure how many newtons of force the wind is creating and compare that to how many newtons it takes to lift up a lifter.
TheUFOeffect 2 years ago
Already done in the 1930s-1990s, early 2000s.
Beamshipcaptain 2 years ago
the mass of the smoke should be inconsequential...it should accelerate in the same direction as the lifter.
Jesus4ULife 2 years ago
you should use ethanol with dry ice for your smoke...it would work much better. You should see "smoke" accumulating around the singularity.
Jesus4ULife 2 years ago
These things do not work in vaccum therefore they do not produce any antigravity effects. Its a pure ionwind effect.
Xclusiv8 2 years ago
BUT:
i dont know if a wind (strong like a fart) would be strong enough, i will test it (also in vacuum in my school) and give you the trustworthy solution
amrosik 2 years ago
1. reversing the polarity will NOT change the ionflow-direction, upper wire has a small radius
(strong local e-field density) to ionize medium
2. smoke simply attracted by electrostatic attraction
problem solved.
amrosik 2 years ago
pls teach me how to assemble that lifter. pls pls pls oh pls
joey349harry 2 years ago
might wanna try with different lighting. make everything dark and then shine a bright light on the lifter. Also don't move the smoke source around like a shaman trying to purfiy the lifter.
YoLninYo 2 years ago
Do this is a vacuum...
OverUnityNow1 2 years ago
You should get one of those small cheap wind fans to show how much wind this particular lifter can pull.
LinkBlink 2 years ago
santa and the easter bunny would agree with you...
modhappy 2 years ago
Ion propulsion is the source of the lifter's 'lift' aka: wind.
HOW IT WORKS:
The current running through the wire induces an electrical field around it. This field charges the air around it. The charged air is then drawn electrostatically to the non-charged aluminum plates. The resulting motion of this air is what we in the science field call 'wind'.
Reversing the polarity would NOT change the direction of lift. The charged particles would be drawn to the non-charged plate regardless.
L00NGB00W 2 years ago 9
I suspect you'll find that the 'ion wind' is by no means powerful enough to effect lift. This is electrostatic repulsion - just as you can attract small particles of paper to a charged amber rod, so too you can cause repulsion if rod and particles have the same charge. These things apparently do work (better?) in a vacuum, which is what we'd expect with electrostatic repulsion.
ContemporaryScience 2 years ago
@L00NGB00W the plate is charged to the opposite potential, not neutral, but correct. By his logic, if I were to flip the polarity to a flashlight, it'd make the room darker.
highvoltagefeathers 1 year ago
@L00NGB00W Hey, well done explanation. Be careful, only1egg is notorious for blocking anyone with this view.
UnderManlac 1 year ago
@L00NGB00W how strong wind we talking here :}?
nida1965 1 year ago
@nida1965
Assuming the lifter, built from balsa, tinfoil, glue, and wire, weighs around 200 grams.
It would take only 200.1 grams of downforce to produce lift. That equates to around 2 newtons of force. A 1 Km/h wind should be enough.
L00NGB00W 1 year ago
@L00NGB00W you are absolutley correct many people are to stuborn to belive this is a hoaxe, but are not at all to stuborn to begin beliving in the first place. for anyone who doesn't belive, watch a test of one of these in a vacuum, no lift at all. But, just because it isn't truly antigravity, that doesn't mean it isn't usefull technology. these are amazing little devices and some are so efficient that there a few the size of your thumb that can lift up to 1 pound.
EpicSqrl 1 year ago
@EpicSqrl
They also make great air filters! Charging particlulate which then sticks to the lifter. =)
Ionic air filters use the same technology =D
Crazy. I just noticed you can't spell 'Lifter' without 'Filter'! XD
L00NGB00W 1 year ago
@L00NGB00W Wait, how are ions drawn to a non-charged material like aluminum? I thought aluminum was a non-ferris metal...can you please elaborate more for me please?
randomdude10010 8 months ago
@randomdude10010 Think static electricity. The high voltage wire sets up an electrical field around it. (Not a magnetic field) Any ions within it become charged, and electrically drawn to the non- charged aluminum.
It's the same reason why electricity runs to ground. It goes from an area of high potential voltage, to an area with less potential voltage.
L00NGB00W 8 months ago
@L00NGB00W:
sorry the aluminium foil is connected to electric wire and it has a charge (oscillating as the wire).
The polarity is irrilevant for AC current!
You know nothing!
lorenzogemma 6 months ago
@lorenzogemma You're about a year late with that little tidbit. But Kudos for the effort! =)
L00NGB00W 5 months ago
just put the lifter on one of is side and do the smoke test loll or did you try it up side down loll let me know
GHOSTTOYS 2 years ago
This is surely electrostatic repulsion.
Is there any film footage of one of these in a wet environment, such as rain? I have some slight concern about high voltages and a conducting atmosphere condition.
Perhaps someone who has a small unit could use a plant mister over it to create a conducting environment? Any offers?
ContemporaryScience 2 years ago
If you insulate the high voltage wire from the conductive environment, then a lifter would even offer propulsion under-water. By ionizing and propelling the water itself.
However, using lifters such as this one in humid environments would likely destroy it or make it not work as desired.
L00NGB00W 2 years ago
I flew thes in fog-tests in 2002. The moistue beaded all over the foil, and theunit was drenched. No effect. Force is the same, with no noise, and no extra arcing.
Beamshipcaptain 2 years ago
Any chance of a video demo of this? I would be most interested in seeing someone operate one of these underwater.
ContemporaryScience 2 years ago
I have fog-tests on Jean Louis Naudin's website since 2002.
Beamshipcaptain 2 years ago
In your other video you suggested that reversing the polarity would cause the device to work in reverse. It is interesting that in your smoke test you did not reverse the polarity as you did in the other video. If you wanted to prove that it is not the ionization holding it up wouldnt having it push the smoke up as it flys be all the proof you need? So why would you not include a reversed polarity test? Unless... the smoke still goes down. Then you would look like the misleading fool you are.
kurisu925 2 years ago
Are you serious? If it were thrusting upward, it wouldn't be floating.
geminyo 2 years ago
Exactly my point.
kurisu925 2 years ago
How many volts do they have flowing through this device? anyone know?
Isaac707 2 years ago
At least 18,000 Volts (18 kiloVolts for primarty ionisation- ion-cloud formation) and about 1 to 2 milliAperes current.
BE CAREFUL.
Beamshipcaptain 2 years ago
That part is serious, be real careful.
JimBeamship 2 years ago
I beleive in his other video he said 22,000
kurisu925 2 years ago
check out gravity emitting diodes
120dbdavid 2 years ago
@120dbdavid could you give me alittle more info on this please I searched gravity emitting diodes and found nothing? I only found light diodes.
1freedomfighter11 1 year ago
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I like how he uses the X-Files theme for this video. Most folks think that show was about aliens. What it was about was the suspicion of criminal or anti-human (alien) behaviour in others, like what Mulder perceived the Cigarette Smoking man & cronies to be. That's why Chris Carter made Mulder an FBI agent, because the FBI investigates criminal behaviour, which the show postulates through metaphor to be 'un-human' or 'alien'. Being separated from my evil side has brought some neat insights....
BeamshipCapsGOODtwin 2 years ago
X-files is a great show, that spawned many spin-offs, and imitators. Imitation is the sincerest for of flattery.
Beamshipcaptain 2 years ago
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Beamshipcaptain 2 years ago
fantastic video
entropy111111 2 years ago
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Hey everyone, peace and love: I used to make a real pest of myself trying to tell everyone that lifters would fly in vacuums, and I was wrong. It's only an ion-wind effect, You can see for yourself: NASA/CR—2004-213312 (google that) and look at page 6, paragraph one. Also google 'gravitec inc data talley', download the pdf and read the conclusions on page 91. They are both PDF's that everyone can find, and I apologize for being so insane.
BeanshipCaptain 2 years ago
even wikipedia (YOUR MAIN SOURCE OF INFO, CLEARLY), states that Hutchinson is a fraud, and that many claims of military interest, were possibly fabricated by himself.
its strange how you use a semi-respectable journal like popular mechanics as a reference, yet deny the existence of simple continuum mechanics.
hypnotekk 2 years ago
lol you really have your reality dictated to you don't you, because a few people in power pay to have hutchinson's work denounced you swallow it hook line and sinker, Boyd Bushman a top scientist at Lockheed and Martin spoke of Hutchinson's work with high regards after viewing it. The Canadian Government took his work away. You clearly do not understand suppression, again watch the war on cold fusion.
1freedomfighter11 2 years ago
you know, you almost had me fooled for a second. when you made a comment about SPACE/TIME/GRAVITY being related, i thought you may actually have a brain.
But then you reminded me that you blindly follow Hutchinson (the crank), and i was reminded of how completely fucking dumb you are.
get back to saying Einstein is wrong (then agree with him 5 minutes later)
hahahaha.
you joke.
hypnotekk 2 years ago
part 2: Hutchinson's work was very real, because your peers taught you it was not does not change this fact. In fact if you understood what was happening like I do you would expect to see exactly what the Hutchinson effect does. In the same manner if one truly understood electrical generating systems are a continuously feed system and not a closed loop as we are taught,
1freedomfighter11 2 years ago
part 1: hmmm so a person can not be wright about one thing and wrong on another issue? It is obvious time, gravity and space are related because we have proved this. We have not proved the theory of relativity though, that is because it is wrong, planets orbits are due to a attraction as well as a repulsion, much like what takes place inside an atom.
1freedomfighter11 2 years ago
how many volts needed to lift a human plus cargo ? something like a travel bag
myso2008 2 years ago
The ionocraft's lift is based on the current (intensity) not the voltage (though that one has to be very high for it to work anyway, we're talking 50kV in the corona wire).
Anyway, ionocrafts generate about 1g of lift per watt. A 70kg human + 20kg bag come in at 90000g, or 90000W. And we're not including the craft (or the generator, it's not like you can keep it wired).
AngaloPapeteri 2 years ago
"Greetings" hahahahaha!!!
Grabowski420 2 years ago
1.6 MPH is enough to get lift, that is 1.6 MPH over the entire opening, and also it is not the speed of the air, but also the volume of air it is moving. There is no anti gravity, there is no warp field that lowers mass here. Wishful thinking from watching too many SciFi or UFO related programs on cable. The BiefeldBrown effect is well known, and many music teachers or sports coaches that are wannabe EEs either are frauds, or do not completely understand and fall prey to big equations.
USSGobLin 2 years ago
We ran a lab for Stanford and key components for the Stanford solar center were designed and built here. These lifters are just another cool electrical toy, but they are not Warp drives, nor do they lower mass within the field, nor does it change gravity. That is all SciFi fantasy. But they are cool toys. Try using a hard heavy wood, for if it is really anti gravity, it would not have to be built of balsa wood.
USSGobLin 2 years ago
part 4: I have made objects lose weight by ionizing them, i have also found monoatomic elements on my cathode of my water fuel cell that made my cathode lose 13 grams from heating. It is time for people to grow up and connect the dots so we can move along, it's no wounder this information is so easy to suppress, no one thinks for themselves anymore.
1freedomfighter11 2 years ago
part 2: 6.5 billion years. In fact if it was not for these 2 fundamental fields of energy there would be no orbits, no spiraling galaxy's, no flat galaxies period. Look water ionises at room temperature, this is how a heavy molecule can hang in our air, lightning (electrons) add electrons back to the ionised water molecules, and rain falls back down once again bloated with electrons, there is also electron sharing in the clouds causing rain with no lightning.
1freedomfighter11 2 years ago
what do unstable water molecules have to do with gravity?
i thought gravity was merely the curved geodesic of space due to mass, but what would i know i'm no rocket scientist (only an aerospace systems engineer-or colloquially a rocket scientist haha)
hypnotekk 2 years ago
part 3: If you are who you say you are you will do the test and get back to me. If you want to really learn about orbits look up strepulstion, this fundamental repulsion field can be utilized, this should interest you. I have made objects lose weight by simply draining electrons, this is truly how water such a heavy molecule can hang in our atmosphere.
1freedomfighter11 2 years ago
test?
its electromagnetic induction you fucking retard. but as youre so great, i guess you knew that already.
i googled "strepulstion", and found NOTHING .
you either can't spell the subject you use as a reference, or it is some made up shit, made up by an unacademic moron like yourself.
water does not HANG in the atmosphere, it is pushed down by static pressure, which is kept together by GRAVITY and the earths magnetospere. thats why air is denser at low altitude.
hypnotekk 2 years ago
part 2: Anti gravity is right in front of us, we would not be here without it, it is what makes up our atmosphere. Einstein's theory of relativity is wrong, if you want to manipulate gravity magnetize a nail 12 volts 50 amps on scales, you will see weight fluctuations.
1freedomfighter11 2 years ago
> Anti gravity is right in front of us
Wat
> we would not be here without it, it is what makes up our atmosphere
You're batshit insane to say the least (and what makes up our atmosphere is a bunch of basic gases: dry air contains roughly (by volume) 78.08% nitrogen, 20.95% oxygen, 0.93% argon, 0.038% carbon dioxide, and trace amounts of other gases. Air also contains a variable amount of water vapor, on average around 1%.)
> Einstein's theory of relativity is wrong
Paper please.
AngaloPapeteri 2 years ago
"Einstein's theory of relativity is wrong"
Paper please.
yes, PROOVE IT, WITH MATHS.
FEEL FREE TO USE ANY CALCULUS NOTATION FORM YOU LIKE.
hypnotekk 2 years ago
Man, you shouldn't shout like that, it's bad (and it makes people treat you like a nutcase).
Then again, we're in youtube comments which isn't a good idea in the first place oh well.
AngaloPapeteri 2 years ago
i think you are confused:
CAPS LOCK IS TYPING NOT SHOUTING.
hypnotekk 2 years ago
Yeah yeah, caps lock might be cruise control for cool, but on Internet chat systems, forums and Usenet, typing a sentence in all capitals is considered rude, the large letters akin to shouting or yelling within the social context. In fact many people read all-caps phrases exactly that way and make them "shouty" in their internal wording. And it's pretty damn annoying.
AngaloPapeteri 2 years ago
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STOP BEING A CUNT.
hypnotekk 2 years ago
Wow. You aren't very smart.
AngaloPapeteri 2 years ago
you're in a room full of people who swear that this simple EHD demonstration is the result of antigravity.
i suspect that you are one of these people.
so lets not talk about who is smart untill you understand simple EHD/MHD principles, ok?
hypnotekk 2 years ago
> i suspect that you are one of these people.
You are a very, very dumb person.
AngaloPapeteri 2 years ago
Yes but when you look at other work and connect the dots you see the mistakes made in our current explanations of these units, I have made objects lose weight by draining electrons with no ion wind, i have made objects lose weight with no ion wind by having ions held in a solid state and just being attached to an object and adding heat. Electrons are related to gravity, look at john Hutchinson's work, he messed with the atoms covalent bonds electrons and got anti gravity.
1freedomfighter11 2 years ago
Hutchinson was crazy, his videos had visible wires "levitating" his objects, and he was denounced as a FRAUD when his experiments couldnt be reproduced (maybe they werent OPEN MINDED enough hahahaha).
anyone can mess with covalent bonds-its called CHEMISTRY. but then i guess thats a field that involves maths, so we probably shouldnt discuss it in too much detail huh?
it's all very nice claiming to be a free-thinker, but are ANY of your references GENUINE scientists?
hypnotekk 2 years ago
I don't need math to prove the theory of relativity is wrong, it's common sense to someone that can think for him self. the moon can not maintain an orbit for 4.5 billion years if it where just gravity, there would be no orbits, galaxies, flat galaxies period if this where the case. We would not be here if the theory of relativity where correct, i love NASAs little vid of the moons orbit where they just take the moon and place it back out when it gets to close to the earth. *rolls eyes*
1freedomfighter11 2 years ago
> I don't need math to prove the theory of relativity is wrong
That confirm your status as an irrelevant crank.
> the moon can not maintain an orbit for 4.5 billion years if it where just gravity
You'd think astronomers and astrophysicists would have stumbled on that little issue. It would make for a pretty amazing paper.
You might want to mail Phil Plait or Neil DeGrasse Tyson, they'll be *very* interested.
> We would not be here if the theory of relativity where correct
You are wrong.
AngaloPapeteri 2 years ago
"I don't need math to prove the theory of relativity is wrong"
yes, you do. at some point, if you don't want to be a laughing stock, you need maths to prove it wrong. THATS A DEFINITE.
"it's common sense to someone that can think for him self."
AAH, of course, the "free-thinker". yeah man, you're really thinking outside the box. you have just repeated yourself. claiming to be a free-thinker is NOT an answer to anything. You're just trying to be INSULTING to hide your own shame.
hypnotekk 2 years ago
Yes but why do these gasses defy gravity, they are not subject to gravity like we are, are they. If it where just gravity non of us would be here. There are other fundamental forces at work.lol at batshit crazy, you guys type about it like you know all about it but fail to see the big picture right in front of your face. ionisation leads to anti gravity.
1freedomfighter11 2 years ago
> Yes but why do these gasses defy gravity
They don't defy anymore than oil floating on top of water does.
> they are not subject to gravity like we are, are they.
Of course they are, why wouldn't they be?
> If it where just gravity non of us would be here.
You are a crazy person.
> ionisation leads to anti gravity.
Goodness gracious no it doesn't.
AngaloPapeteri 2 years ago
part 2:
what the fuck? you are an idiot.
atmosphere is a fluid. it is held in place by GRAVITY and pressure.
antigravity? explain HOW, in scientific terms, with MATHS.
don't just keep repeating the same old things (as you have done).
hypnotekk 2 years ago
part 1: The question is can you think for your self? Will you ever invent or come up with new ideas or are you just book smart. If you think our current explanation of orbits is correct you are most likely just book smart.
1freedomfighter11 2 years ago
ionocrafts have been "invented" in the 60s at the height of EHD experiments, they're not exactly new. And they're pretty well understood. Check the corresponding wikipedia page.
AngaloPapeteri 2 years ago
"The question is can you think for your self? "
typical answer of the anti-grav nutcase. everything is a conspiacy eh?
you're answer demonstates that you lack ANY "book-smarts" at all.
hypnotekk 2 years ago
go to school. then work in aerospace for 10 years, then you can join in with those of us with "book smarts", or even those of us with EXPERIENCE"
UNTIL THEN, YOURE JUST A DREAMER, WITH A LIFTER MADE OF TIN FOIL.
I SUSPECT THAT YOU WEAR TINFOIL HATS TO KEEP THE AUTHORITIES FROM SCANNING YOUR BRAIN FOR ITS AMAZING IDEAS.
DUMB SHIT.
hypnotekk 2 years ago
look up strepulsion, even NASA was all over it, and magnetize a nail on scales 12 volts 50 amps, until then you are waisting my time. And just as I thought, nothing but book smart, a good memory does not equal intelligence. Lets see what you got, look up tidal bulging and explain to me how it affects the moon and why. I find I have to deal with idiots like you with questions so tell me how water, such a heavy molecule can hang in our atmosphere.
1freedomfighter11 2 years ago
> look up strepulsion
I did. It's kooky-stamped crap. Not worth bothering with for a second.
AngaloPapeteri 2 years ago
> I did. It's kooky-stamped crap. Not worth bothering with for a second.
lol I guess you know better than NASA because they where all over it. Of course until they would have to acknowledge anti gravity and anti gravity equals over unity. look up tidal bulging and the moon and explain to be what that field of energy is ;) Without a repulsion field and a attraction field we would not have orbits period.
1freedomfighter11 2 years ago
LOL.
no, but YOU clearly know better than Einstein.
and you did it ALL without maths, OR science. or without a SINGLE VIABLE ACADEMIC REFERENCE.
I am impressed.
i'd love to see you apply for a place at my university with this shit. they would fucking laugh at you so hard.
you take EVERYTHING beautiful about 300+ years of scientific rigour and throw it right out the window.
it's like the Renaissance NEVER even happened, and we should just base our science on "good feelings".
hypnotekk 2 years ago
The Military took Hutchinson's work VERY seriously. Have you looked up the Wingless Electromagnetic Aerial Vehicle in a popular mechanics article yet? Have you looked up tidal bulging and the moon yet? care to explain what field of energy this is? Of course I would be laughed at in your university, those are set up to brainwash not teach.
1freedomfighter11 2 years ago
you would be laughed at in kindergarden.
im not going to humour you anymore. you havent answered a single one of my questions, despite my gentle introduction to classical fluid mechanics I HAVE answered your crazy claims, yet all you can do is spout off nonsense about "suppression", "free thinking" and "brainwashing".
you are an idiot.
and you insult one viewer by stating he "knows better than NASA", yet claim to know better than Einsten yourself.
you are a laughing stock.
hypnotekk 2 years ago
p.s Im sure POPULAR MECHANICS would laugh at you too.
write to them and tell them that their ELECTROMAGNETIC vehicle is "anti-gravity", and see what they say.
CLUE: The answer is in the title. it is ELECTROMAGNETIC.
maybe one day you will leard that all MHD is electromagnetic. and NOT related to gravity.
you STUPID cunt.
hypnotekk 2 years ago
Such foul language from someone pretending to be intelligent, the WEAV when we are allowed to have it will be proven not to be an ion wind, that's an excuse to maintain the status quo, look up how the B-2 bomber charges it's wings to gain in speed and save tremendous amounts of fuel. The WEAV will also have time differentials as well because time, gravity and space are related, i don't expect you to understand this at your stage yet though. Perhaps one day.
1freedomfighter11 2 years ago
"time, gravity and space are related, i don't expect you to understand this at your stage yet though"
oh, so now you agree with Einstein?
how convenient for you to back-track.
i clearly understand this better than you.
hypnotekk 2 years ago
"Perhaps one day"
perhaps one day, you will learn maths/science.
then you will be able to articulate yourself properly.
until then, we'll just laugh at you (with your anti-grav water, and Einstein is wrong/right problem).
hypnotekk 2 years ago
part 3: cool, google Wingless Electromagnetic Aerial Vehicle in a popular mechanics article. It is a crud version of there technology, it will lead to time dilations, anti gravity, and interdimensional travel.
1freedomfighter11 2 years ago
part 3: one would expect to see a plasma./ion field around the Searl affect with levitation. Something they could not have imagined in there time I am sure. I see you still have not done my simple test to show you weight fluxuations by magnetizing a nail with 12 volts DC 50 amps. I not only saw weight fluctuations but pinned a fried to the counter with an invisible field of energy.
1freedomfighter11 2 years ago
Searl?
now i have heard it all. give me a proper ACADEMIC REFERENCE, or fuck off.
Searl AND Hutchinson are both cranks, like yourself. they both claim to be supressed free-thinkers, especially when asked to provide any maths to back up their ludicrous claims.
you are an idiot. your only references are PROVEN cranks in the scientific community. you havent answered a SINGLE question.
YOU FAIL AT LIFE, AND IN SCIENCE.
hypnotekk 2 years ago
part 2: I have doubled my fuel mileage with a negatively charged water fuel cell, achieved anti gravity in a few different ways because i understand it, Hutchinson has messed with electrons (covalent bonds) and achieved anti gravity as well as Searl has, You have no proof at all we have not, you have your opinion NOTHING more. You sir will never do anything great, you are doomed to repeat outdated science. In other words you are brainwashed.
1freedomfighter11 2 years ago
part 1: Proven cranks? Where is the proof? You clearly can not think for your self, you don't understand it is up to us to do the work, provide the information and idiots like you to do the work showing us wrong, instead you call our work anecdotal and quote 100 year old out dated text books backing your claims.
1freedomfighter11 2 years ago
"Proven cranks? Where is the proof? "
YOU are a crank. back up "your" theories with a SINGLE equation-i DARE YOU!
here is a SIMPLE and logical equation for you...
NO MATHEMATICAL PROOF=CRANK SCIENCE.
hypnotekk 2 years ago
I would not even know how to do the math, you can view my 3 years worth of work at griffinsofdawnDOTcom, general forums page 6, or 7 now titled free energy source. I do know it's very real though and I do not need the math to understand what I have seen and done with my own eyes. To be honest I don't even understand how you would do the math on something like this?
1freedomfighter11 2 years ago
There are plenty of mathematical proofs in the peer reviewed journals. If you are not aware of them, you havent looked. Which is pathetic.
Beamshipcaptain 2 years ago
"There are plenty of mathematical proofs in the peer reviewed journals. "
you mean Nexus and Popular Mechanics?
HAHAHAHAHA
Even YOU know that they are NOT peer-reviewed!!
hypnotekk 2 years ago
Peer-reviewed journals like NATURE, PHYSICAL REVIEW, FOUNDATIONS OF PHYSICS LETTERS. The ones that you refuse to read, because you are sick, and obtuse.
Beamshipcaptain 2 years ago
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Russ, I just got the okay from BeamshipGeneral to go ahead and let everyone know the specific articles to which you refer in those magazines, you can provide links and references, and are free to stop all the obfuscation. No point in hiding it, they've got us. Hey, can we join together and become whole again like Captain Kirk did in "The Enemy Within?" That's a rather poignant title, "The Enemy Within", meaning we are our own worst enemies... we say stupid things and don't realize it.
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Beamshipcaptain 2 years ago
Peer reviewd, like NATURE, FOUNDATIONS OF PHYSICS LETTERS, AIAA, STAIF, INE, FOUNDATIONS OF PHYSICS, Z.NATURFORSCH, TECHNICAL PHYSICS LETTERS, INTERAVIA, AVIATION WEEK AND SPACE TECHNOLOGY, I will run out of space before I am able to list all the technical paers describing mathematically what is going on with forcefield propulsion. Wheeler united ZPE quantum mechanics calculations and general and special relativity, and came up with geometrodyynamisc. Also Burkhard Heim: KONTRABARIC EFFEKT.
Beamshipcaptain 2 years ago
"geometrodyynamisc"
You can't even spell it.
"Imitation is the sincerest for of flattery. "
sureley that's FORM? Anyway, you just keep telling yourself that.
hypnotekk 2 years ago
GEOMETRODYNAMICS. Satisfied?
Beamshipcaptain 2 years ago
@1freedomfighter11 very true. There seems to be no shortage of people desperately trying to discredit the ideas of innovative thinkers but even if they could discredit them what do they gain from doing this? Instead of trying to put down inventors and free thinkers they should be out trying to come up with inventions and discoveries themselves. I suppose its what Einstein meant when he said "all great spirits receive violent opposition from mediocre minds".
BogMonkey53 1 year ago
@BogMonkey53 well said :)
1freedomfighter11 1 year ago
@BogMonkey53 You want to know what they gain from exposing frauds and conmen? Well sir they themselves gain nothing directly. But what they do achieve is the knowledge that they have prevented a conman from fooling hundreds or maybe even thousands of people into trying to follow them in thier research instead of starting thier own research into something that actually has a chance of working.
MrAwsome514 1 year ago
Hypnotek, you are the failure. We are the doers. You like to live in a dream world of your own making, and conveniently ignore working devices and published papers, to suit your own misguidedness. Which is a really stupid and deranged attitude o your part.
Beamshipcaptain 2 years ago
now buddy, jusht hold on, he'sh okay. We can get some Dewars right here, no problem. Ya gotta shee thish ish why folksh make fun of you, What you shaid about him you could jusht shay about yourshelf, it;sh why Stanford and MIT rejected yer admisshions esshays.. BUt you got friendsh, the gangsh all here: Jack and Johnny and Hiram and Captain Morgan and Harvey and Jose and Remy
JimBeamship 2 years ago
the real part 2: think about are atmosphere for a few minutes and you will see anti gravity. Learn to think for your self. Also dark matter, dark energy is not some strange phenomenon in space, the planets themselves have a repulsion field as well as gravity, this is how the moon can maintain its orbit for
1freedomfighter11 2 years ago
"think about are atmosphere for a few minutes and you will see anti gravity."
you are full of shit. WHERE will i see anti-gravity? you spouted off some crap about electrons and dark energy, i didnt see your example of "anti-gravity" in our atmosphere.
hypnotekk 2 years ago
But you have to commend everyone that tries - think how many non-scientists have stumbled on great (And often unrelated!) discoveries.
However ignoring the 'mainstream' entirely is a tad foolish ;)
Zaphodox 2 years ago
part 1: Its not ion wind that lifts them, electrons are directly related to gravity, you guys are funny you believe any crap flung at you if it is by your peers regardless af what is in there best interest, you seem like a fairly smart fella magnetize a nail on scales and you will see weight fluctuations,
1freedomfighter11 2 years ago
I don't care if it's antigravity or not. These things are cool regardless.
Oathblivion 2 years ago
does anyone know how ou would make one of these turn???? thats the one thing thats been bugging me about this..
Daveflex 2 years ago