@RandomCriticsify I don't understand how to find your music, could you specify please ? I'm also very new composer and I haven't recorded anything, I would be very honored if you could just check out my composition "avant-garde VS pop music(composed by Christoffer Hoffman)" thank you very much
@TheEdgarvarese12 ....I spent many years, on and off, making music, and then turning my back on it. I always keep a "day job" or two. I minored in music at a university, and recommend that, or community college music courses, especially in Digital Audio Workstations and Twentieth Century Music Composition. You can find my latest music compositions presently freely published under my internet name FLYING CLOUD NINE on SoundCloud. You can use Google or Internet Explorer to find it.
@RandomCriticsify thank you very much for responding, I will definitely listen to your music because I love Ligeti. If you could check out my one composition that I just uploaded and give me some feedback that would be great. thank you
Great job. Great music. Can you give a little bit more information about the production processes in the vid description. Is the vid made "handcrafted" or is it made with an interpretation software? We had a little discussion about this :-) Both solutions shoulb be possible...can you give a little bit clearification? Thanks for the great work.
great work. has anyone done work on this type of notation, making it consistent? I would be interested to know. It's great to see something novel in notation. The way dance was choreographed with symbols. that sort of thing.
great work. has anyone done work on this type of notation, making it consistent? I would be interested to know. It's great to see something novel in notation. The way dance was choreographed with symbols. that sort of thing.
the use of a synthesizer is not for everyone ... must first have talent, second you must use your heart for touching it and third know how to use it .... NO any idiot knows how to use a synthesizer ....
Ligeti created this at an electronic studio using taped snippets. He sorted them (some REAL tiny) into groups, then used semantic rules to determine what happened when. The result is that one gets the impression of speech, as the people who referred to Artoo Detoo have said.
This is excellent work you've done here ! And it helps the listener to appreciate and comprehent the music/sound even if one is unfamiliar with reading the score !
Are you an electronic music composer or musician, perhaps ?
I love the universality of visual scores. Anyone from any background/musical tradition can make sense of them. They truly serve the vision of modernism in that sense (which has since been morphed and mutated but still exists to an extent).
Its interesting to see people responded markedly more positively to this clip than to other contemporary music videos on here. I'm certain it's the score's doing. It heightens accessibility and understanding in all audiences. Music is both visual and aural
Some of those... umm... notes... Really remind of birds with funny beaks. For instance, kiwi bird, crossbill, hoopoe, black-winged stilt, common snipe, eurasian woodcock and pied avocet. Ah, just look at those curlews!
As Rossini's feel for parrots were a laughingstock for monsieur Alkan (whose son E. M. Delaborde is told to have kept a flock of parrots), here we can assert that monsieur Ligeti was an adorer of sandpipers, he-he...
@android329 Imagine the pain when Edgar Varese released Ionisation. Total agony for all who listened. Or a perfect excuse to go to the toilet. A great piece, this is.
@Caligula138 that's why he was saying 40 people like him i believe. because 40 people disliked this video, therefore those 40 people must not like ligeti, and therefore like bieber... yes?
I like the part at 1:38. Starts to get really complex at that point. Wonder how difficult that was to notate. Ligeti was so forward-thinking, hard to believe this is from 1958.
I like the part at 1:38. Starts to get really complex at that point. Wonder how difficult that was to notate. Ligeti was so forward-thinking, hard to believe this is from 1958.
"When working with electronic sounds at the studio in Cologne,Ligeti did not feel
inclined to organize the material through and through in all imaginable (and above all governable) parameters,as is usually the case at first. Instead, he heard in various forms of sounds a similarity to language and decided to compose an imaginary conversation, a sequence of monologues, dialogues and multi-voiced disputes, in which characteristic intonations stand for literal meanings."
I guess with a little effort you could train yourself to read the shapes. You could look at the diagram and hear strange music in your head. How cool would that be??
I have dabbled in making electronic music for almost 10 years now but ironically I'm only getting into Steve Reich etc etc now.
My problem is understanding the philosophy of electronic music. Should we listen for melody and rhythm? Some of the serialist's electronic music is only about timbre, movement, durations, but not about tonality. Xenakis' electronic music seems to be about textures and timbres, and well, I dont see that the electronic medium can create much similarities between Xenakis and something like this. Shouldnt electronic music have a unified philosophy? Or does it and I dont know if it?
@kenn5545 I dont think so. For instance, when Schoenberg created serialism, he had previously adopted his philosophy of abandoning classical tonality, and heading towards the avoidance of the seemingly percieved tonality in what some call 'free atonality'. He realized that even in free atonality we could find vague ways of perceiving tonality, and THEN he created serialism, he didnt create it and then justified it philosophically like you say, he first conceptualized a goal then created it.
@kenn5545 (continued) And to leave it clear, Im not talking about the affective processes, feelings. What you said about reflection is true on that. But Im talking about the intellectual design like a structure, a regulative system, or highly cognitive allegories and allusions. Like Schoenberg, we didnt adopt the equal temperament for some subconscious reason. We knew why we wanted it before we adopted it, not after, it wasnt a blind step from the soul, we stared aware before we grasped it.
I think compositions like this were way ahead of their time, only now can newer generations enjoy them for the playfulness and sonic beauty, possibly precisely because the novelty effect of hearing subtractive synthesis has worn off.
This is my first time listening to this peice, I find it very awesome! This peice really does paint a vivid picture in my mind of a psychedelic cave of wonders on another planet. I love it! :D
Seems people are pressured into finding meaning in art. No one asks what a tree or a fish means. Why ask for meaning here? Why can't we be free to create things the way nature does? Why can't our creations be appreciated (or not) as such?
@boobtube356 We are free to create things as nature does or as humans do or as we think aliens might if we want. People allow themselves to feel pressured. Trees are great, fish are tasty and beautiful but so is the human brain. The small character count doesn't really allow for a good waffle on this. We can't compete with nature for pure beauty, but nature can't create hidden meanings, interpretations, madness, contrivance, directed tugging of emotion. It's just a different category - It's good
@boobtube356 well, everything that the nature did has a meaning somehow. at least it has a reason, not a reason to live, but a cause for beeing. Art is a way to reflect emotions by association to our memories, like visual arts do, or by setting free pure emotions, like harmony and rhythm do. the meaning of art is supposed to be sensational. things that bore the shit out of us aren't art. but if a neo-dadaist like Ligeti earns my attention by leading others to like THIS, that's pure art. :D
Nature doesn't "create" anything, and there is no possible "intent" behind a tree or a fish - it's just there because it's evolved in a certain way.
When we've got a seemingly chaotic and random bunch of noises as a "musical piece", however, I think it is valid to ask whether it's really a random mess of brush strokes, or we're just missing out on something.
A lot of people see or hear things they do not understand and brand it as art. I have seen many who do not genuinely enjoy a piece, but name it artistic and enjoyable simply for the sake of looking profound. To me, and in all honesty, this piece is shit and I have no fking idea why it is lauded or praised.
A lot of people see or hear thing they do not understand and brand it as art. I have seen many who do not genuinely enjoy a piece, but name it artistic and enjoyable simply for the sake of looking profound. To me, and in all honesty, this piece is shit and I have no fking idea why it is good.
The main difference between most of the early electronic pieces and the new ones, is that we today have the technological possibility to THROW sounds in, at any time, at any volume, in stereo or in quadro... I am not saying that everyone takes advantage of it, but the this possibility makes digital electronic music potentialy fake and less worth than this Ligety piece.
mm, the four channel thing was also done in stocky's kontacte. he uses it to create space sense and movement. who came with the idea? stocky? or ligeti? do they sell this for bluray or something so we can hear it on surround systems? we are missing a lot for hearing it on stereo when the composer designed it for 4 channels.
I've got a mental block trying to enjoy early electronic compositions - is it fair to call this 'dated'? Classical music tends to escape this term by its nature, but to me, the limitations of this kind of early synthesiser really don't allow this kind of music to work (even with Ligeti in charge!), now the novelty of primitive electronic sounds and timbres has worn off. Any thoughts?
@Furiens I understand your concern; just like it is at first difficult to disconnect an electric guitar and rock or jazz music, or difficult to disconnect a violin from Mozart, these early sounds certainly have a large connection to "dated" technology... it will take some time, but try to listen to these sounds "as they are", without preconception or association and I assure you you'll get past your block! :)
@Furiens Your'e right that the medium is often the container for the sound and style, but composers often embrace that. - a lot of this stuff is not even strickly electronic (synthesis) but was done by recording real world sounds, and then cuting up the tape into pieces with a razor blade and splicing block, and reattaching it. That accounts for the characteristic choppy cubist kind of sound. But you can't listen to it the way you listen to tonal music, its more like a painting with sound
@Furiens Also, its hard to find a good context to listen to this stuff in - Varese solved the problem by installing his Poeme Electronique at the 1938 Worlds Fair, with tons of speakers everywhere. I used to record this music onto cassette tapes for my car, turn it up really loud, and use it for driving music. But my girlfriend complained constantly so I stoped doing it.
@kevtrev77 1958. actually, in response to the others, I think this piece is actually among the better early compositions. But thank god he gave it up or we never would have those acoustic masterpieces of his
@Furiens I don't think it sounds dated at all.. Maybe I don't have enough experience of newer electronic music, but to me this sounds surprisingly modern.
@Furiens the technology doesn't make music dated. early synths are still in use today and the newer ones still work within the same spectrum as the old ones. analog synths are sometimes even chose over current digital ones because the sounds create more of an atmosphere. not all synths are created equal.
@Furiens There has always been a tendency to classify new music as 'dated'. ASlmost no run of the mill music lovers can cope with it at all. It has been increasingly difficult for composers from the Romantic period onwards to dissociate as they did from a world every more swallowed up by the all devouring commercialisition of life which has no trouble absoribg modernists which are rendered quasi harmless. Funny creatures trying to get in where they are blocked. Our own alter ego.
The score is awesome, looks almost like spectrogram - hard work!
@Furiens - I don't find dated equipment as a problem. As an electronic musician, I've found the possibilities of the modern gear more problematic. Back then we had limits we could push, now we have gear pushing us, if we're not strict in what we do. Jean-Michel Jarre has used very primitive lead synths, and it has been a good way to go. Listen to preset sounds of workstations: they sound sweet alone, but can you really use them?
I wish every soundpiece of this kind had a visual score to it. It is easier to listen when you have to look at (and that "something" has a relation to sound). However, I still don't understand this. Do those sounds mean anything? Their sequence maybe? Or like in Cage's works they are supposed to be "just sounds"?
@29Hazard not all of Cage's works are "just sounds." I mean... all music is technically "just sound," but he has ideas that he expressed in his music. Maybe the idea behind pieces like Artikulation is something like... curiosity. Its like science experiment or and exploration, and adventure into what amazing things electronics can do to different aspects of sounds in music. Or something completely different XD
@29Hazard But my friend, that is the wonderful thing about a piece of music (or any art really). You can find your own meaning in it. Maybe it means something literal or abstract, or it can be silly and sound like its avoiding trying to mean anything at all XD
Maybe, but what bugs me is that so much people out there use that concept "there is a meaning here, you just need to find it" and produce tonns of complete nonsence. And what bugs me even more: other people buy into it! I thought that I knew enough when heard there are painters who "paint" by vomiting on canvas. But no, things are even worse now.
@29Hazard I dunno, I think you can find your own meaning in any piece of music, from the strangest works of Varese and Ligeti to Bach, Beethoven, and Mozart. Even if a work has a clear artistic meaning from the creator, I don't think that makes your personally meaning any less valid :)
What I find really remarkable and intereseting about this is that I can actually remember some phrases of the piece, some favorite moments, some peculiar and endearing moments, as if it were more conventional music or music I'm more familiar with. This redefines what's music. It creates new aesthetics.
my ex wife always got so scared of this!
SuperVideodave 2 weeks ago
put some kickdrum and snare on it and call it dubstep :D
nichtAlleskoenner 2 weeks ago
@nichtAlleskoenner this comment is almost as bad as dubstep
Macday000 1 week ago
I love this piece but I'm also writing to see if I can leave messages on Youtube. My last one on Ligeti was refused.
felixdevilliers1 1 month ago
I am a present day composer, under the influence of Gyorgy Ligeti.
My work can be heard by Googling >>> "soundcloud, flying cloud nine, symphony of a rogue cloud".
RandomCriticsify 1 month ago
@RandomCriticsify I don't understand how to find your music, could you specify please ? I'm also very new composer and I haven't recorded anything, I would be very honored if you could just check out my composition "avant-garde VS pop music(composed by Christoffer Hoffman)" thank you very much
TheEdgarvarese12 1 month ago
@TheEdgarvarese12 ....I spent many years, on and off, making music, and then turning my back on it. I always keep a "day job" or two. I minored in music at a university, and recommend that, or community college music courses, especially in Digital Audio Workstations and Twentieth Century Music Composition. You can find my latest music compositions presently freely published under my internet name FLYING CLOUD NINE on SoundCloud. You can use Google or Internet Explorer to find it.
RandomCriticsify 1 month ago
@RandomCriticsify thank you very much for responding, I will definitely listen to your music because I love Ligeti. If you could check out my one composition that I just uploaded and give me some feedback that would be great. thank you
TheEdgarvarese12 1 month ago
Stunning !
A lot of thanks
123must 1 month ago
I can not get this song out of my head.
therapsids 1 month ago 5
thankyou!!!
pestoman 1 month ago
spot on!
ZEDMECO 1 month ago
I keep thinking this is a short video, because of the moving line..
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10 justin bieber and 10 stockhausen song at the same time
/watch?v=xTiwpr7gcP8
andrewillis21 1 month ago
fine job ! bravo !
theo9952 1 month ago
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Megajosh2 2 months ago
I liked the part that went bloop beep shum zing boom
sirshitsalot007 2 months ago
CLASSICAL DUBSTEP <3
mustafasadmansakib 2 months ago
good work! thank u
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The beginning sounds like when I am in the toilet. :-)
chauduyphanvu 2 months ago
chi è il coglione che ascolta sta musica de merda porco dio
joana22031997 2 months ago
che schifoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
joana22031997 2 months ago
I like the worm at the begining :D
wino666oz 3 months ago
oh I wish I could write music by drawing visuals like this ^^ would totally match the way I hear this kind of music
trojanlol 3 months ago
what's the meaning of the circles split in four parts, above the rectangle that contains the signs?
FabioCalcinelli 4 months ago
@FabioCalcinelli They seem to indicate the direction the sound is coming from.
InaneFort 3 months ago
BRILLIANT !
mragw 4 months ago
Great job. Great music. Can you give a little bit more information about the production processes in the vid description. Is the vid made "handcrafted" or is it made with an interpretation software? We had a little discussion about this :-) Both solutions shoulb be possible...can you give a little bit clearification? Thanks for the great work.
elohess2 4 months ago
Thumbs up if this reminds you of the scene in Star Wars when C3PO is looking for R2D2 inside the jawa transport
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great work. has anyone done work on this type of notation, making it consistent? I would be interested to know. It's great to see something novel in notation. The way dance was choreographed with symbols. that sort of thing.
micflor531313 4 months ago
great work. has anyone done work on this type of notation, making it consistent? I would be interested to know. It's great to see something novel in notation. The way dance was choreographed with symbols. that sort of thing.
micflor531313 4 months ago
Fantastic job synching the music with the drawn "score"...
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lol listen at 3:39 it sounds like a robot saying "suck my cock" lol
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stealmonky 4 months ago
So... any idiot with a synthethizer can be a musician, huh? I feel a lot better now, seeing as I can do a lot better =)
TeknoMaX 5 months ago
@TeknoMaX NO ANY IDIOT.....
the use of a synthesizer is not for everyone ... must first have talent, second you must use your heart for touching it and third know how to use it .... NO any idiot knows how to use a synthesizer ....
VenetianFaces 4 months ago
@VenetianFaces What if I have talent, I have a great heart and I know how to use it, and I still consider it bad...?
Just for your information, I wasn't "downing" synthesizer players. I really enjoy the use of some in certain compositions.
TeknoMaX 4 months ago
trash
DankWin 5 months ago
Ligeti created this at an electronic studio using taped snippets. He sorted them (some REAL tiny) into groups, then used semantic rules to determine what happened when. The result is that one gets the impression of speech, as the people who referred to Artoo Detoo have said.
bachware 5 months ago 2
lol 3:29
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i sense a disturbance in the force.
ExplosiveDinner 6 months ago
Nicely done! I wasn't aware of Wehinger's scoring technique so this was a good introduction. AND, unlike a lot of YT vids, it's well synchronized!
YouzTube99 6 months ago
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I make electro & dubstep music! It would be super cool if you listened to some on my channel :D
evanmyles12 6 months ago
R2D2 is a musician as well!!!???
tynanator111 6 months ago
CRAP!
hedgehod 6 months ago
How can someone do this? I mean, wich instruments or "things" you have to use to make this?
IsraelSilvaOficial 7 months ago
is this what aliens listen to?
MrSimpleFuc 7 months ago
What program did you use?
GomezGeGedeon 7 months ago
this is totally not how i visualise these kind of sounds. still pretty impressive
miketechno 7 months ago
hard work... but it didn't pay off.
IIIIIawesIIIII 7 months ago
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MaestroTJS 7 months ago
This is excellent work you've done here ! And it helps the listener to appreciate and comprehent the music/sound even if one is unfamiliar with reading the score !
Are you an electronic music composer or musician, perhaps ?
theo9952 7 months ago
a mix with RD2D2 with Decpticon Freenzy, fine!!!
JAC17NETBIOS 7 months ago
At 2.28 sound was like this "buzzzzzz" ^^)))
ArturSamaraRus 8 months ago
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ArturSamaraRus 8 months ago
wonderful, keep coming back
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I love the universality of visual scores. Anyone from any background/musical tradition can make sense of them. They truly serve the vision of modernism in that sense (which has since been morphed and mutated but still exists to an extent).
Its interesting to see people responded markedly more positively to this clip than to other contemporary music videos on here. I'm certain it's the score's doing. It heightens accessibility and understanding in all audiences. Music is both visual and aural
punkfluffles 8 months ago
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punkfluffles 8 months ago
R2D2 is that you?
RediForKing 8 months ago 19
This would be cool if these sounds said something in code. otherwise it's just a few neat sound effects... not really too interesting.
codyahernek 8 months ago
EARGASM! IT'S REALLY COOL!!! I NEVER HEARD SOME SHITTT HOTT LIKE THIIISSS!!! SKRILLEX SUCKS BLACK COCK! THIS IS THE FUTUREEEEEEE!!!!
semprealtopOK 8 months ago
@semprealtopOK lol.....
cowfloss 8 months ago
Pop-art, postmodernism, stuff like that
kuj4z 8 months ago
Some of those... umm... notes... Really remind of birds with funny beaks. For instance, kiwi bird, crossbill, hoopoe, black-winged stilt, common snipe, eurasian woodcock and pied avocet. Ah, just look at those curlews!
As Rossini's feel for parrots were a laughingstock for monsieur Alkan (whose son E. M. Delaborde is told to have kept a flock of parrots), here we can assert that monsieur Ligeti was an adorer of sandpipers, he-he...
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zeroblackstar 8 months ago
are you using some kinda software, if so then which 1?
TheSenfire 8 months ago
this is simply fantastic! to think the work that had to have gone into this back then compared to now just blows my mind!
android329 8 months ago
@android329 Imagine the pain when Edgar Varese released Ionisation. Total agony for all who listened. Or a perfect excuse to go to the toilet. A great piece, this is.
facialnoob 8 months ago
This is one guy Wikipedia hasn't picked up yet (Rainer Wehinger)
Is this all he did, is this the only thing in his resume?
Nothing crops up at the top of the heap.
Or are you that Guy?
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he must be the first DJ
leguatorre 9 months ago
1:00 It's ah-me! Mario!
drummr4JC 9 months ago 27
@drummr4JC Ahahaha yes, precisely what I thought.
BlacknWhitesAlright 7 months ago
looks like Ableton Live :0)
HerrTelef 9 months ago
this is the most fascinating video i've seen in a while
timmyx666 9 months ago
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And this is supposed to be art?
maclaraa 9 months ago
@maclaraa Art is what the artist wants it to be.
frankentomato 7 months ago
And this is supposed to be art?
maclaraa 9 months ago
How does he make this kind of beaaaautiful music? :D
princessjmj 9 months ago
That was the coolest thing I've seen/heard in a long time.... thanks!
suekanji 9 months ago
Oskar Fischinger would love this.
echomedia 10 months ago
40 PEOPLE LIKE JUSTIN BIEBER
DoOdl34 10 months ago
@DoOdl34 That person should not exist or have any meaning in the lives of people who listen to Ligeti.
Caligula138 9 months ago 2
@Caligula138 that's why he was saying 40 people like him i believe. because 40 people disliked this video, therefore those 40 people must not like ligeti, and therefore like bieber... yes?
Coolcat607 9 months ago 2
Great work, fantastic score!
TurbojugendJoe 10 months ago
Next time I trip, I wanna watch/hear this. Awesome - thank you so much!
Ghoopty 10 months ago
Amazing! Thank you.
bathotic 10 months ago
Clearly a labor of love on Wehinger's part and yours. Well done. A unique and beautiful way to combine sound and image. Thank you.
lyaeger 10 months ago
Original Gameboy startup? 1:00
Biggins363 10 months ago
I wonder if he ever composed a piece under the title "R2-D2".
zimnomel 10 months ago
Is there a term for "sound art"?
zimnomel 10 months ago
@zimnomel yes it's called "music"
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I like the part at 1:38. Starts to get really complex at that point. Wonder how difficult that was to notate. Ligeti was so forward-thinking, hard to believe this is from 1958.
darinepsilon 10 months ago
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I like the part at 1:38. Starts to get really complex at that point. Wonder how difficult that was to notate. Ligeti was so forward-thinking, hard to believe this is from 1958.
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darinepsilon 10 months ago
"I ..see ...music people"
rocknrollista 10 months ago
Trippy!
CaptainPommby 11 months ago
FREAK SOUND!! I LIKE IT!!!!!!!!!!!
FernandoBA 11 months ago
"When working with electronic sounds at the studio in Cologne,Ligeti did not feel
inclined to organize the material through and through in all imaginable (and above all governable) parameters,as is usually the case at first. Instead, he heard in various forms of sounds a similarity to language and decided to compose an imaginary conversation, a sequence of monologues, dialogues and multi-voiced disputes, in which characteristic intonations stand for literal meanings."
alexandergreenb 11 months ago
"Yes, fractals are what I want to find in my music." - G. Ligeti
alexandergreenb 11 months ago
Very very cool!
I love how "brown blob" means "reverb".
I guess with a little effort you could train yourself to read the shapes. You could look at the diagram and hear strange music in your head. How cool would that be??
I have dabbled in making electronic music for almost 10 years now but ironically I'm only getting into Steve Reich etc etc now.
arsehandle 11 months ago
My problem is understanding the philosophy of electronic music. Should we listen for melody and rhythm? Some of the serialist's electronic music is only about timbre, movement, durations, but not about tonality. Xenakis' electronic music seems to be about textures and timbres, and well, I dont see that the electronic medium can create much similarities between Xenakis and something like this. Shouldnt electronic music have a unified philosophy? Or does it and I dont know if it?
NevinJarek 11 months ago
@NevinJarek philosophy is always found AFTER innovation as it is something constructed by reflection.
kenn5545 11 months ago
@kenn5545 I dont think so. For instance, when Schoenberg created serialism, he had previously adopted his philosophy of abandoning classical tonality, and heading towards the avoidance of the seemingly percieved tonality in what some call 'free atonality'. He realized that even in free atonality we could find vague ways of perceiving tonality, and THEN he created serialism, he didnt create it and then justified it philosophically like you say, he first conceptualized a goal then created it.
NevinJarek 11 months ago
@kenn5545 (continued) And to leave it clear, Im not talking about the affective processes, feelings. What you said about reflection is true on that. But Im talking about the intellectual design like a structure, a regulative system, or highly cognitive allegories and allusions. Like Schoenberg, we didnt adopt the equal temperament for some subconscious reason. We knew why we wanted it before we adopted it, not after, it wasnt a blind step from the soul, we stared aware before we grasped it.
NevinJarek 11 months ago
I love this!
ChristinaCaceres 11 months ago
Like most compositions of its nature,it doesn't really mean anything ,yet it had to be done.
Mystep 11 months ago
I think compositions like this were way ahead of their time, only now can newer generations enjoy them for the playfulness and sonic beauty, possibly precisely because the novelty effect of hearing subtractive synthesis has worn off.
NevenDayvid 1 year ago 2
@NevenDayvid Good point from the other side of the same coin I guess. It's playful, I'll grant it that.
Furiens 1 year ago
surely that is not what you'd listen to to get your days more happy, but open-minded listeners can enjoy the weird feelings of that sperimental stuff
stuffcluster 1 year ago
Splendid video to give life ands understanding to the substance of this masterpiece I love deeply !
RADIOKLOW 1 year ago
hmmmmmmmmm, are we sure he's not an alien?
DUBxESTONxSTEP 1 year ago
This is my first time listening to this peice, I find it very awesome! This peice really does paint a vivid picture in my mind of a psychedelic cave of wonders on another planet. I love it! :D
PsytranceMan777 1 year ago
Seems people are pressured into finding meaning in art. No one asks what a tree or a fish means. Why ask for meaning here? Why can't we be free to create things the way nature does? Why can't our creations be appreciated (or not) as such?
boobtube356 1 year ago 83
@boobtube356 We are free to create things as nature does or as humans do or as we think aliens might if we want. People allow themselves to feel pressured. Trees are great, fish are tasty and beautiful but so is the human brain. The small character count doesn't really allow for a good waffle on this. We can't compete with nature for pure beauty, but nature can't create hidden meanings, interpretations, madness, contrivance, directed tugging of emotion. It's just a different category - It's good
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padraigsylvester 8 months ago
@boobtube356 I just can't appreciate that, no question of meaning here...
Nazgulinet021 7 months ago
@boobtube356 well, everything that the nature did has a meaning somehow. at least it has a reason, not a reason to live, but a cause for beeing. Art is a way to reflect emotions by association to our memories, like visual arts do, or by setting free pure emotions, like harmony and rhythm do. the meaning of art is supposed to be sensational. things that bore the shit out of us aren't art. but if a neo-dadaist like Ligeti earns my attention by leading others to like THIS, that's pure art. :D
IIIIIawesIIIII 7 months ago
@boobtube356
Nature doesn't "create" anything, and there is no possible "intent" behind a tree or a fish - it's just there because it's evolved in a certain way.
When we've got a seemingly chaotic and random bunch of noises as a "musical piece", however, I think it is valid to ask whether it's really a random mess of brush strokes, or we're just missing out on something.
twooffour 6 months ago 6
This is more like a science experiment
Bagas 1 year ago
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A lot of people see or hear things they do not understand and brand it as art. I have seen many who do not genuinely enjoy a piece, but name it artistic and enjoyable simply for the sake of looking profound. To me, and in all honesty, this piece is shit and I have no fking idea why it is lauded or praised.
thebreadskin 1 year ago
A lot of people see or hear thing they do not understand and brand it as art. I have seen many who do not genuinely enjoy a piece, but name it artistic and enjoyable simply for the sake of looking profound. To me, and in all honesty, this piece is shit and I have no fking idea why it is good.
thebreadskin 1 year ago
The main difference between most of the early electronic pieces and the new ones, is that we today have the technological possibility to THROW sounds in, at any time, at any volume, in stereo or in quadro... I am not saying that everyone takes advantage of it, but the this possibility makes digital electronic music potentialy fake and less worth than this Ligety piece.
labosh33gost 1 year ago
THIS IS ART!!
adult09 1 year ago
I could listen to this over and over again and it's always a new experience for me. This is so amazing.
MissEdisonChen 1 year ago
Say hi, Aphex Twin!
vnikosv 1 year ago
sick shit :) just like me heheh.
Saxonczyk 1 year ago
R2 D2 sure rocks!!!!!!!!
ZackTheGopher 1 year ago
mm, the four channel thing was also done in stocky's kontacte. he uses it to create space sense and movement. who came with the idea? stocky? or ligeti? do they sell this for bluray or something so we can hear it on surround systems? we are missing a lot for hearing it on stereo when the composer designed it for 4 channels.
omgtkseth 1 year ago
@omgtkseth
......stocky? You guys good buddies?
Anonym0u 1 year ago
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TheLucastyle 1 year ago
credo che lo proporrò ai miei bambini di 2 elementare vorrei vedere che dicono !ehehehe
aliatica 1 year ago
faszinierend ;-)
LLaOOnda 1 year ago
I've got a mental block trying to enjoy early electronic compositions - is it fair to call this 'dated'? Classical music tends to escape this term by its nature, but to me, the limitations of this kind of early synthesiser really don't allow this kind of music to work (even with Ligeti in charge!), now the novelty of primitive electronic sounds and timbres has worn off. Any thoughts?
Also, Mario coin pick-up at 1:00 or what?
Furiens 1 year ago 7
@Furiens
r2d2! 3:31
alln4tural 1 year ago
@Furiens 1:00 - Sound of the original Gameboy booting up
ProgWill91 1 year ago
@Furiens I understand your concern; just like it is at first difficult to disconnect an electric guitar and rock or jazz music, or difficult to disconnect a violin from Mozart, these early sounds certainly have a large connection to "dated" technology... it will take some time, but try to listen to these sounds "as they are", without preconception or association and I assure you you'll get past your block! :)
dreyas 1 year ago
@Furiens Your'e right that the medium is often the container for the sound and style, but composers often embrace that. - a lot of this stuff is not even strickly electronic (synthesis) but was done by recording real world sounds, and then cuting up the tape into pieces with a razor blade and splicing block, and reattaching it. That accounts for the characteristic choppy cubist kind of sound. But you can't listen to it the way you listen to tonal music, its more like a painting with sound
kevtrev77 1 year ago
@Furiens Also, its hard to find a good context to listen to this stuff in - Varese solved the problem by installing his Poeme Electronique at the 1938 Worlds Fair, with tons of speakers everywhere. I used to record this music onto cassette tapes for my car, turn it up really loud, and use it for driving music. But my girlfriend complained constantly so I stoped doing it.
kevtrev77 1 year ago
@kevtrev77 1958
GeoffDeibel 1 year ago
@kevtrev77 1958. actually, in response to the others, I think this piece is actually among the better early compositions. But thank god he gave it up or we never would have those acoustic masterpieces of his
GeoffDeibel 1 year ago
@Furiens I agree; it's a dead end...
paevo2010 1 year ago
@Furiens I don't think it sounds dated at all.. Maybe I don't have enough experience of newer electronic music, but to me this sounds surprisingly modern.
PorroFirst 1 year ago
@Furiens the technology doesn't make music dated. early synths are still in use today and the newer ones still work within the same spectrum as the old ones. analog synths are sometimes even chose over current digital ones because the sounds create more of an atmosphere. not all synths are created equal.
dimeloloco 1 year ago
@Furiens There has always been a tendency to classify new music as 'dated'. ASlmost no run of the mill music lovers can cope with it at all. It has been increasingly difficult for composers from the Romantic period onwards to dissociate as they did from a world every more swallowed up by the all devouring commercialisition of life which has no trouble absoribg modernists which are rendered quasi harmless. Funny creatures trying to get in where they are blocked. Our own alter ego.
felixdevilliers1 1 year ago
@felixdevilliers1 I have no idea what you're saying but I like it. Those quasi-harmless modernists!
Furiens 1 year ago
The score is awesome, looks almost like spectrogram - hard work!
@Furiens - I don't find dated equipment as a problem. As an electronic musician, I've found the possibilities of the modern gear more problematic. Back then we had limits we could push, now we have gear pushing us, if we're not strict in what we do. Jean-Michel Jarre has used very primitive lead synths, and it has been a good way to go. Listen to preset sounds of workstations: they sound sweet alone, but can you really use them?
SomFunk 11 months ago
Amazing. It's very near to Wassilly Kandinky's ideas of music and art.
Excellent!
ARTgUle 1 year ago
this is really veeeery fun!!!
PianoStravinsky73100 1 year ago
Hello, do you have the pdf of Aural Score By Rainer Wehinger? I'm searching for it but i can't find it. Thanks
soulkian 1 year ago
The climax is incredible!
Toocold 1 year ago
@Toocold When was that exactly?
immolation333 1 year ago
@immolation333 From 3:02 to 3:20.
Toocold 1 year ago
this is soooo cool
misscutesy69 1 year ago 29
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Nanocyte 1 year ago
Mameshiba!!
Nanocyte 1 year ago
visual abstract sound art
wolfmann0005 1 year ago
I wish every soundpiece of this kind had a visual score to it. It is easier to listen when you have to look at (and that "something" has a relation to sound). However, I still don't understand this. Do those sounds mean anything? Their sequence maybe? Or like in Cage's works they are supposed to be "just sounds"?
29Hazard 1 year ago
@29Hazard not all of Cage's works are "just sounds." I mean... all music is technically "just sound," but he has ideas that he expressed in his music. Maybe the idea behind pieces like Artikulation is something like... curiosity. Its like science experiment or and exploration, and adventure into what amazing things electronics can do to different aspects of sounds in music. Or something completely different XD
DarkZekeX 1 year ago
@DarkZekeX
That's the thing I don't get: Is it just an experiment or is it a thought or a feeling expressed through sounds?
Visual score helps in hearing the piece clearly but it doesn't help in understanding.
29Hazard 1 year ago
@29Hazard But my friend, that is the wonderful thing about a piece of music (or any art really). You can find your own meaning in it. Maybe it means something literal or abstract, or it can be silly and sound like its avoiding trying to mean anything at all XD
DarkZekeX 1 year ago
@DarkZekeX
Maybe, but what bugs me is that so much people out there use that concept "there is a meaning here, you just need to find it" and produce tonns of complete nonsence. And what bugs me even more: other people buy into it! I thought that I knew enough when heard there are painters who "paint" by vomiting on canvas. But no, things are even worse now.
29Hazard 1 year ago
@29Hazard I dunno, I think you can find your own meaning in any piece of music, from the strangest works of Varese and Ligeti to Bach, Beethoven, and Mozart. Even if a work has a clear artistic meaning from the creator, I don't think that makes your personally meaning any less valid :)
DarkZekeX 1 year ago
Awesome!
sebih104 1 year ago
WTF?! is this R2D2 singing?
KAZAZKIAN 1 year ago
How creative and fun to watch and listen to :) My ears were actually tickling in my headphones lol :)
teensylover 1 year ago
brilliant!
phnaargos 1 year ago
increible
morfeosigloxl 1 year ago
Very interesting....
nickybendix 1 year ago
this puts a smile on my face!
grandexandi 1 year ago
Help me R2-D2 you're my only hope . . . . help me R2-D2; you're my only hope.....
radiootoo 1 year ago 2
Que mierde de musique
dimmii1001 1 year ago
if you've seen the "Gantz Graf" clip by Autechre, you HAVE to see this one :-). a masterpiece.
Fircyq 1 year ago
Thanks very much for the rescue!
xtrypper 1 year ago
It must've been a pain for you to synchronize, and I can't imagine how Wehinger even made the listening score :)
Thanks very much!
FlowerEmblem 1 year ago
electroplankton
illuminatioracle 1 year ago 2
This is really cool!
WintherStormer 1 year ago
What I find really remarkable and intereseting about this is that I can actually remember some phrases of the piece, some favorite moments, some peculiar and endearing moments, as if it were more conventional music or music I'm more familiar with. This redefines what's music. It creates new aesthetics.
mordent17 1 year ago
This should be in the new guitar hero ;-)
MatthewBearne 1 year ago