I know what you mean mate, ive got a .22 LR nd a 17 HMR which i use for vermin control mainly, ive got SAK mods on both of them, good guns for vermin control
@Baynham3 Typically an air arms S410 is the better machine because it has an onboard regulator. The Axosr doesn't and relies upon the natural power curve to take place. However expect to pay quite a bit more for not a huge improvement. The Axosr is about as good as it gets for an unregged rifle.
@RocketScientist79 i got a springer in the end, a weihrauch 95k. only problem is the break barrel is inconvenient for hunting so im looking to get a relatively cheap pcp but of good quality. iv heard good things about the aa s200, its cheaper than the s410 and i like the shape of the stock and i like air arms triggers as theyre the only ones i find comparable to weihrauch triggers, you seem like you know alot about air rifles so how would you rate it? would be in .22 mind
@Baynham3 Okay then, the Hw 95 is a cracking gun. A lightweight machine par excellence with regarding handling! I have the older Hw80 but it is really overkill (In terms of build std) for the UK since it was designed to accept FAC rated (24+ ft lbs) springs for the US Market. Anyway if you can shoot a springer well a PCP will be no problemo. The S200 is a nice handling gun, and can be uprated for 10 shots with a £60 modification. However like the axsor it is unregulated.
@RocketScientist79 i love springers but the whole break barrel or under lever design isnt suited for hunting when there is a group and you want to make another shot quickly. if only there were a bolt action cocking/ loading springer :(
@Baynham3 Sure yes you are right, but consider it like trying to shoot game with a ye olde black powder weapon of old. I.e. you only get one shot to get your dinner. Now if you consider this fact every time you shoot, it focusses the mind somewhat. I remember BSA did a multishot indexing underlever called a superstar (Correct me if wrong) and they are very very collectable and very very accurate.
@RocketScientist79 yes iv used that bsa, very good gun but i wasnt over fussed on the styling, but its not the multishot im concerned about its the breaking of the barrel/ underlever becomes a hindrance
@Baynham3 In that case I can only suggest keep practicing the reloading. Sure it is hard to reload a break barrel sat lying flat on the deck, as it requires you to lie on your side, snap downwards and quickly insert pellet and then close the barrel all without getting grit and muck into the mechanism. However most of us have learnt on the Break Barrell or even worse the gate loader, Hw77/97 Tx200, Webley Tracker types. It does focus the mind knowing that it takes a good 10-20 seconds!
@Baynham3 However dont get me started on the .debate as to calibres. If you are an accurate shot already then .177 is cheaper per tin and flatter trajectory. A .22 is more like a mortar by comparison. (Yes people flame me if you wish). Start on .22 and then move to .177 when you get better. The satisfaction of a 50 yds bunny with a .177 headshot is highly addictive to say the least. Anyway that debate will rage and rage - the choice is yours ultimately. Shoot safe regards PGB.
@RocketScientist79 im not really fussed about calibre really, im a relatively accurate shot with my .22 hw95k, can usually on a still day hit a 5p coin 7-8/10 times at about 20-25 metres. its more the stopping power im concerned about as in will the .177 be enough for rabbit and do either calibre have a considerably more effective range than the other?
@Baynham3 In terms of outright stopping power, yes I .22 will generally cause more haemoorraging, as it is of course larger, more surface area means you are more likely to catch a major artery in the event of a non headshot situation. However in both cases 12 ft lbs is still measured the same way 1/2 mv squared, a .22 will haemorrage more whereas a .177 will penetrate further because of the 200 ft/sec more typically. I.e. a .22 on squirrels at close range is a brilliant piece of kit
@RocketScientist79 cont..... as grey "rattus arboretus" (Scirius Carolensis in reality!) are tough little critters, bunnies however are generally dead with any headshot IMHO. If you are good with a .22 then why change if happy with it. Horses for courses really.
@RocketScientist79 im learning a lot from you here :) and just wondering, as iv not had much time with a .177, is there a considerable accuracy difference between the two? and in your opinion what would be a better calibre for rabbit at the maximum effective range of each? also i find it enlightening to have someone help me over youtube instead of the usual abuse i get when im uncertain about something :)
@Baynham3 Well once again a matter of personal opinion and practice practice practice really. If you have a mate who has a .177 12 ft/lbs weapon then try benchresting at a few targets at 20, 30 and 40 yds+ in STILL AIR using the same pellets, preferably same rifles (to make the test standardised). I have had 50 yds rabbit in .177 on a still day benchresting, but as with all airgunning you must be sure of accurately hitting the head. If you are a good judge of "hold over" then why change??
@RocketScientist79 my hold over estimate is usually pretty good, but the flatter trajectory of the 177 appeals to me, probably for the same reason i chose my borthers 17hmr over his 22lr when i go hunting with him (cba getting my own firearms license ^_^)
@Baynham3 Yes indeed, however .22lr vs .17HMR are also a different ballgame again. A .17Hmr needs a bigger Weapon Danger Area (Land size) than a .22lr because it has much more energy. I.e. several sound barriers worth faster out of the muzzle but lighter. However the Fuzz FEO's often prefer the .17HMR because they smash on impact rather than ricochet. You have Pm about this...
@RocketScientist79 yh we only take the rimfires to a specific area where we have permission, its about 7 acres and is not a live stock pasture, it backs onto a 20ft high steep grass bank so the 22 wont ricochet. using wildcat suppressors on both to moderate the sound as much as possible and the range of a hmr over 22lr makes good use of the space. tbh i probly know more about rimfires than i do about air guns haha but its the limit of places to use it that made me get an air rifle.
I know what you mean mate, ive got a .22 LR nd a 17 HMR which i use for vermin control mainly, ive got SAK mods on both of them, good guns for vermin control
csdude12 1 month ago
how would people compare this to an air arms s410?
Baynham3 1 year ago
@Baynham3 Typically an air arms S410 is the better machine because it has an onboard regulator. The Axosr doesn't and relies upon the natural power curve to take place. However expect to pay quite a bit more for not a huge improvement. The Axosr is about as good as it gets for an unregged rifle.
RocketScientist79 1 month ago
@RocketScientist79 i got a springer in the end, a weihrauch 95k. only problem is the break barrel is inconvenient for hunting so im looking to get a relatively cheap pcp but of good quality. iv heard good things about the aa s200, its cheaper than the s410 and i like the shape of the stock and i like air arms triggers as theyre the only ones i find comparable to weihrauch triggers, you seem like you know alot about air rifles so how would you rate it? would be in .22 mind
Baynham3 1 month ago
@Baynham3 Okay then, the Hw 95 is a cracking gun. A lightweight machine par excellence with regarding handling! I have the older Hw80 but it is really overkill (In terms of build std) for the UK since it was designed to accept FAC rated (24+ ft lbs) springs for the US Market. Anyway if you can shoot a springer well a PCP will be no problemo. The S200 is a nice handling gun, and can be uprated for 10 shots with a £60 modification. However like the axsor it is unregulated.
RocketScientist79 1 month ago
@RocketScientist79 i love springers but the whole break barrel or under lever design isnt suited for hunting when there is a group and you want to make another shot quickly. if only there were a bolt action cocking/ loading springer :(
Baynham3 1 month ago
@Baynham3 Sure yes you are right, but consider it like trying to shoot game with a ye olde black powder weapon of old. I.e. you only get one shot to get your dinner. Now if you consider this fact every time you shoot, it focusses the mind somewhat. I remember BSA did a multishot indexing underlever called a superstar (Correct me if wrong) and they are very very collectable and very very accurate.
RocketScientist79 1 month ago
@RocketScientist79 yes iv used that bsa, very good gun but i wasnt over fussed on the styling, but its not the multishot im concerned about its the breaking of the barrel/ underlever becomes a hindrance
Baynham3 1 month ago
@Baynham3 In that case I can only suggest keep practicing the reloading. Sure it is hard to reload a break barrel sat lying flat on the deck, as it requires you to lie on your side, snap downwards and quickly insert pellet and then close the barrel all without getting grit and muck into the mechanism. However most of us have learnt on the Break Barrell or even worse the gate loader, Hw77/97 Tx200, Webley Tracker types. It does focus the mind knowing that it takes a good 10-20 seconds!
RocketScientist79 1 month ago
@Baynham3 However dont get me started on the .debate as to calibres. If you are an accurate shot already then .177 is cheaper per tin and flatter trajectory. A .22 is more like a mortar by comparison. (Yes people flame me if you wish). Start on .22 and then move to .177 when you get better. The satisfaction of a 50 yds bunny with a .177 headshot is highly addictive to say the least. Anyway that debate will rage and rage - the choice is yours ultimately. Shoot safe regards PGB.
RocketScientist79 1 month ago
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Baynham3 1 month ago
@RocketScientist79 im not really fussed about calibre really, im a relatively accurate shot with my .22 hw95k, can usually on a still day hit a 5p coin 7-8/10 times at about 20-25 metres. its more the stopping power im concerned about as in will the .177 be enough for rabbit and do either calibre have a considerably more effective range than the other?
Baynham3 1 month ago
@Baynham3 In terms of outright stopping power, yes I .22 will generally cause more haemoorraging, as it is of course larger, more surface area means you are more likely to catch a major artery in the event of a non headshot situation. However in both cases 12 ft lbs is still measured the same way 1/2 mv squared, a .22 will haemorrage more whereas a .177 will penetrate further because of the 200 ft/sec more typically. I.e. a .22 on squirrels at close range is a brilliant piece of kit
RocketScientist79 1 month ago
@RocketScientist79 cont..... as grey "rattus arboretus" (Scirius Carolensis in reality!) are tough little critters, bunnies however are generally dead with any headshot IMHO. If you are good with a .22 then why change if happy with it. Horses for courses really.
RocketScientist79 1 month ago
@RocketScientist79 im learning a lot from you here :) and just wondering, as iv not had much time with a .177, is there a considerable accuracy difference between the two? and in your opinion what would be a better calibre for rabbit at the maximum effective range of each? also i find it enlightening to have someone help me over youtube instead of the usual abuse i get when im uncertain about something :)
Baynham3 1 month ago
@Baynham3 Well once again a matter of personal opinion and practice practice practice really. If you have a mate who has a .177 12 ft/lbs weapon then try benchresting at a few targets at 20, 30 and 40 yds+ in STILL AIR using the same pellets, preferably same rifles (to make the test standardised). I have had 50 yds rabbit in .177 on a still day benchresting, but as with all airgunning you must be sure of accurately hitting the head. If you are a good judge of "hold over" then why change??
RocketScientist79 1 month ago
@RocketScientist79 my hold over estimate is usually pretty good, but the flatter trajectory of the 177 appeals to me, probably for the same reason i chose my borthers 17hmr over his 22lr when i go hunting with him (cba getting my own firearms license ^_^)
Baynham3 1 month ago
@Baynham3 Yes indeed, however .22lr vs .17HMR are also a different ballgame again. A .17Hmr needs a bigger Weapon Danger Area (Land size) than a .22lr because it has much more energy. I.e. several sound barriers worth faster out of the muzzle but lighter. However the Fuzz FEO's often prefer the .17HMR because they smash on impact rather than ricochet. You have Pm about this...
RocketScientist79 1 month ago
@RocketScientist79 yh we only take the rimfires to a specific area where we have permission, its about 7 acres and is not a live stock pasture, it backs onto a 20ft high steep grass bank so the 22 wont ricochet. using wildcat suppressors on both to moderate the sound as much as possible and the range of a hmr over 22lr makes good use of the space. tbh i probly know more about rimfires than i do about air guns haha but its the limit of places to use it that made me get an air rifle.
Baynham3 1 month ago
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