heyout this is real but evolution is possible and a fish doing that is fake xD go to your response its real haha except the part where the fish breathes on land
A cartoon fish dies on a beach. How does that prove anything other than heyout doesn't really understand how evolution worked in the first place. The High Evolutionary traveled back in time and injected Human DNA into protozoan lifeforms to create modern Humans with his advanced science because he is the Galactic Savior from the future. Noob.
you weren't there to see "God" create everything... if fossil evidence, phylogeny, taxonomy, genetics, etc... can't be used as reliable data to back up a theory, how can you possibly use the bible? Biblical scholars can't even decide when the thing was written.
@NamasteLAS I never claimed to be there when God created the world. You claim fossil, genetics etc...back up your theory but the point I'm making is that it's a theory. You yourself did not see these things occur but yet you talk as if you were there. You say bones are 350 million years old but how would you know if you have not been alive for 350 million years!? Explain to me how you know what 350 million years looks like in fossil age? The thing called EVOlution is nothing more then religion.
@MrPlanx You shouldn't have to write in all caps to get your point across. When you emphasize everything NOTHING has any special forcefulness or importance. Obviously you need to get the education, when you can't differentiate from what deserves special consideration or emphasis.........well you make this TOO easy. I proved my point last time,I know what I know to be TRUTH and I'm sure you feel the same about what you know; however there is ONLY ONE TRUTH, let's get to the bottom of it shallwe?
@MrPlanx Where are your parents? Didn't your parents teach you not to talk to strangers? You should not be left alone infront of a computer, there is so much evil on the net that you can be exposed to. Plese talk to your parents about questions you may have! God help us all!
Evolution is hard to believe in because it's spectacular. It really is remarkable. I'm a theist (someone who believes in a creator of some kind) and to me evolution seems like a miracle.
Evolution shows how resilient and flexible life can be.
Might I add, science points to there being a God as well but I guess 500 years of science/theory accounts for 4.5 billion years even though there is no documention/observersion of evolution to support this 4.5 billion year assertion.
@CROBN also, there has been no logical observation of god. So how can you claim he exists. So what if jesus claimed tobe the son of god. Do you have any idea how many other people said the exact same thing? There have been no genuine observation/documentation of anything theological that's credible. but we can use fossils and carbon-dating to prove this "4.5 billion year assertion". We have found primitave skeletons from every different animal in less-evolved forms. If that's not proof, what is?
@CROBN also, there has been no logical observation of god. So how can you claim he exists. So what if jesus claimed tobe the son of god. Do you have any idea how many other people said the exact same thing? There have been no genuine observation/documentation of anything theological that's credible. but we can use fossils and carbon-dating to prove this "4.5 billion year assertion". We have found primitave skeletons from every different animal in less-evolved forms. If that's not proof, what is?
The best way to describe evolution...I'm calling it untruthful, misleading, nonsense and has no interest in factual accuracy...just theory and that all it ever will be. To sum evolution up, it's a beleif system(religion), to believe in evolution you have to have faith that you came from nothing. But then again who the heck was here to observe the first life forming in some primeval sea?
@CROBN well if that's true then how did come come from nothing. You do realize that's a huge hole in your story don't you? second, no evolution is not the kind of theory that you claim it is, what you call a theory is really a hypothesis.THAT is a guess, a theory is well-tested and backed up by evidence. Also, who observed god when he supposedly created everything, yet another giant hole in your story, and no evolution does not say we came from nothing, just that we all share a common ancestor.
@thewhatsit104 Again the best way to describe evolution...I'm calling it untruthful, misleading, nonsense and has no interest in factual accuracy...just theory and that all it ever will be. It's a theory based on very limited data! I never proclaimed to observe God when He created everything, that's where my faith comes into the picture of being a believer. The problem with theory is that your teaching it as fact when it's really faith! Can you not differentiate faith from fact and theory?
@CROBN no what YOU are saying is faith. You are an incredible hypocrite. Also "very limited data"? do you mean the data aside from the thousands of primitive bones, fossils, extensive carbon dating, and just plain similarities between animals organs that point to a common ancestor.All of that research is misleading? So who decided god is real. There is so much less evidence for that. If evolution is fake, then how did fossils come about. Or do you believe fossils are just a test from god.
@thewhatsit104 primitive bones, fossils, extensive carbon dating, and just plain similarities between animals organs does point to creation. You talk as if you were there to see these things happen. Yes you call it evidence to support your theory but it's not a fact because YOU were NOT there!! You don't know what actually happen but your blinded by your faith(Beleif) to understand that what your claiming is not science, its theory nothing more!
@CROBN Do you have to be in germany in the 1940's to know that the holocaust toom place. No, because there is an overwhelming body of proof surrounding that event. Isn't evidence what makes a theory into a fact. Evolution is so simple if you can actually comprehend it I could sit here and explain to you how much more plausable it is for evolution to have happened and that the universe was not created by a diety. Where would that god come from? Just more holes in the story.
@thewhatsit104 That's no where close to being logical. How can you claim to know that evolution is fact when NO ONE was there to see it happen? I can say the holocaust was fact because it's been recorded. Human's were there to WITNESS such event that took place during the 1940's but your speaking on the subjuct of all things that exisit now! Common error much? I know your faith keeps your hope in this nonsense 'alive' but your so blinded by the EVO aspect that you fail from the start.
@CROBN well there are ancient bones that have been deciphered to be hundreds of millions of years old through scientific methods such as carbon dating which is proof wether you choose to believe it or not. Creation is insane because it requires a god to have first placed all species on this earth in human form. That means that he would have had to have been created with powers to help him do so. Where is your proof that happened? at least theres more evidence in evolution than in religion.
@thewhatsit104 not to be mean but this is just to help you for future reference. never use bones and carbon dating in the same sentance. fossils dont have carbon. just a heads up. still i agree. evolution has observable evidence. religion has...blind faith.
@BigMidget06 well i didn't mean we use the carbon dating on bones it was just a somewhat unrelated example but i see how that's misleading. At least there's more evidence than religion.
@thewhatsit104 Might I add, science points to there being a God as well but I guess 500 years of science/theory accounts for 4.5 billion years even though there is no documention/observersion of evolution to support this 4.5 billion year assertion.
Organic evolution: The origin of Life itself which means life has to get started with non-living material. please explain to me how a non living material can produce a living thing?
"The origin of Life itself which means life has to get started with non-living material"
There is no actual difference between living and non-living material. We're all star stuff.
"how a non living material can produce a living thing?"
Nobody says that non-living material producing something living. It's a gradient along which life moved gradually. Even now, the boundaries are blurred. Is a virus living? Are prions?
@eleminatus #1 No one has seen this happen. #2 based off of cosmic evolution(BigBang), it would take billions of years to account for chemical evolution which again no have ever seen happen which is why evolution is a religion<--have to have faith to believe in such a story!
@CROBN dude , people have experimented and proved everything , If you wish to be ignorant , be ignorant , there are 100 or more proof , in fact thousands of evolution , Also , your denying , Cosmology too , not just Evolution , Think about it , The earth is not Flat , And the star gives us light , it was not created by god , your light , Also there are billions of starts in the milky way , similarly 150 billion other galaxies ,So aren't you denying too much ?
@djay00009 again, no one has seen cosmic evolution occur which means it's not science. If it were science, you would be able to reproduce such a thing don't you think? Only one part of evolution is fact hint hint Micro-evolution but the other 5 parts are religious because you cannot prove them. How can you not see this? I believe God created everything but you believe a big bang created everthing so are you trying to say the big bang is a God itself<--clearly it's a religion, not fact/science.
@djay00009 I clearly pointed out that Micro evolution is fact but the other 5 parts are not. I answered it, you just don't want to accept the answer because it doesn't fit your interpretation.
Also I never said the big bang was a god, try reading a bit slower...
@CROBN - Science is NOT always "watching something happen" - Do the police see every crime being committed ? They use clues & evidence to discover what happened, and who did it. When you get hundreds of people using different clues & evidence to come to the same conclusion, that's what science is. ... Using your logic : Did anyone see God create Adam ? Hell NO ! ... so where's your evidence ? Is it some 2000 year old mistranslated book by some unknown writer? .... Yeah, right !
@CROBN #1 Many have seen that, starting with Miller-Uray and every subsequent experiment of the same field! #2 Cosmic or chemical evolution does not exist! Evolution mechanism works with life, already living organisms. Big bang is a cosmological theory explains origins of universe, which has nothing to do with life! Chemical evolution is simple nonsense. There is no such thing in the scientific community. So please stop inventing things!
@CROBN but heres what I want to ask - what kind of credentials do you have to make such claims? So far, you provide the ignorance of the school-level biology, basic cosmology, simple chemistry and you invent facts! You see, there is a complex system that helps us determine what is true and what is not. So could you provide us all with some data or research that makes you make the conclusions you make!
@apathy7170 The ‘Super Group’ of rocks in the Grand Canyon are below the level layers at the east end. These layers were laid down level, block faulted into mountains [they are tilted], worn flat, and then the Teapeats Sandstone was laid down over the basement layers. Then another 5000 feet of sediments was laid down, some wind blown desert sands, some corals. Then the whole area got raised to 8000 feet above sea level. Finally water flowing down hill cut the canyon. How long did it take ?
Water would have had to flow uphill to cut the Grand Canyon according to evolutionary erosion patterns, even evolutionary geologists consider it inland seas or based on glacier formations, which is catastrophism. The Tapeats (not Teapeats) have relics from the Anasazi in them...oops! less then 2000 years.
@apathy7170 They think the water would have a problem if the Colorado Plarue was raised up when the Rocky Mts. were raised up, 44 million years ago. And the river only started cutting 5-7 million years ago, read up on the facts before you say stupid stuff.
You can't explain where all the layers exposed in the Grand Canyon came from. Geologists can, and they proved there was no global flood.
@apathy7170 ''according to evolutionary erosion patterns'' Evolution is a theory from biology. Biologists don't give a shit about erosion rates or patterns.
''Tapeats Sandstone averages 525 million years old and is made of cliff-derived medium- to coarse-grained sand and conglomerate that was deposited on an ancient shore. The Anasazi hiked into the canyon, so what?
if you think science holds all the answer your wrong , if you think god holds all the answer you could be wrong 2. Faith makes things easy for when things get hard. It sad to see people lower them selves as nothing then tell people because a they don't agree with them that they are stupid. your knowledge and judgement should not be use to slander others but to inform. finally do what is right because it's rite. you can look at life 2 ways believe in something or die for nothing. god bless.
@ferradansable but random mutations are not what evolution is. land was created, and the fish slowly adapted to the land and grew legs, this continued for the new environments that we needed to adapt to, until gorillas evolved into humans. abiogenesis happened here because we had exactly the right conditions. NOT because of a god. there were billions of other planets this could have happened to, but since it happened here, people say it was meant to happen. and what meaning? we're here.
I still can't get the connection between not believing in evolution and believing in "God" .... If ( quoting here : " God works in mysterious ways " ) then why wouldn't evolution be part of those ways? Who the hell are we to question HIS , or HER methods ? Hmmmmm ? Any answer from the bible thumpers ?
@curiousgeorge1940 There are many Christian evolutionists. Just search for theistic evolution. Christian opposition to evolution is really rooted in a special form of conservatism - and- obviously all conservative Christians would agree the Bible is more important than science, so if they cant get the two co-exist together, they reject science.
@curiousgeorge1940 I guess i'm that "bible thumper". to deny that evolution has occurred and is occurring, one must be ignoring a lot of scientific evidence. evolution is definitely possible, its just that I don't believe evolution occurred to the scale of fish to frog to human. I believe God created many, many different species of animals and plants, and also created humans. many of the species of animals as we know them today evolved to become that way. even humans have evolved a great deal.
@Holy2theName - I can't believe that you are denying 500 years of discoveries that man has made since Galileo. All the sciences point to a NOT young earth, unless you can't think your way out of a paper bag !
Any dog, or other animal breeder can show you evidence of evolution , right in his own back yard : unless you are so blinded and brainwashed by your church, that you cannot or will not see the real world.
@curiousgeorge1940 The mechanism of evolution is considered to be Natural Selection (NS) and Random Mutation(RM) this is a Naturalistic process. Naturalism commonly refers to the philosophical belief that only natural laws and forces (as opposed to supernatural ones) operate in the world and that nothing exists beyond the natural world, and so evolution via these naturalistic processes is historically and currently championed by Atheists such as Richard Dawkins. God is not needed!
@curiousgeorge1940 (part 2) Theists challenge the idea that nature is all there is. They believe in a God (or gods) that created nature. natural laws do not define nor limit the deity(ies), who is the primary cause. This is the position of Theistic Evolutionists. Does answer some of the hard questions re evolution such as abiogenesis, but this is an impersonal God, setting the tooth and claw world of suffering in motion and watching aloof, This is not the character of the God of the Bible!
@curiousgeorge1940 they thing they know god better than anyone , and that their god made adam and Eve , eve was made from a bone in Adam's body ( sexiest right there ) female was created from man :D
Also god created the earth first , then he made light ,then he made stars and the sun,then he split into air and water , then he made land , and all animals and birds , Then he made man .
This is a story of creation , who wants to believe in it ?? Thumbs up :D lol
If the question is: could YHWH have used evolution?...then the answer is yes, but did He use evolution...the answer is NO! How do we know...many reasons. 1) His book (Bible) tells us how He created ALL things, fully mature. 2)He tells us that He did not use death to Create, but death was due to sin, the opposite of life. 3) God's creates perfectly the first time, man made creation entropic...etc.
@apathy7170 - There's the BIG problem with creationism. Once you buy the priest classes' hook that we are born in sin; they gotcha! You now depend on THEM to tell you who,what,when and how everything happens. You forfeit the ability to think for yourself. You lose the capacity to learn anything that's not in THEIR list of approved list of learning.( see also:Catholic Church banned books ). Asking; "what are those mysterious ways?" is the first step to your real "salvation" in a real world.
You are equating original sin with YHWH's creation; why, I'm not sure. But, NO evangelical looks to the cult of catholicism for ANYTHING. We only look to the Word of God, (solo scriptura) nor do we need a church or man's doctrine for salvation or worldy words. The church is a buttress not the basis for faith...they do often give religion a bad name...as it quite often deserves. I'm not religious, I'm saved. But, that has nothing to do with Creationism vs. evolutionism.
@apathy7170"We only look to the Word of God,(solo scriptura)" -You mean the same "WORD" that 2000 years of Catholic (papist) priests wrote down, changing & eliminating many books that did not fit their view of what should or should not be taught to the sheeple? Is that the "word" you refer to? Isn't your creationist (6000 year old Earth) the work of a 15th century idiotic Catholic priest who had no freakin' clue about the Old Testament's reckoning of time? Is that the "word" you follow ?
If you believe any of what you just said...you believe exactly what the secular non believing let's make the Bible a myth t.v, documentary series of the modern age spew...you are the perfect example of a couch potato that wants to be spoon fed what the media wants them to believe and not to think for themselves or look at the real truth and facts of an argument. Congratulations...secular humanists have you right where they want you. Oh! and so does satan, and he is real too!
@apathy7170 - So now we enter the last resort of a lost debate : No more logic or facts to spew ... You resort to name-calling, false accusations, changing the subject and throwing a tantrum. ( just like a politician caught with his pants down ! ) I guess this thread is finished.
- P.S. Satan & I will be having coffee & devil's food cake after dinner tonight... you are welcome to join us !
@apathy7170 The bible says there was a flood and there never was a global flood. Death is part of life, the end part. Why do you think there was no death in the past. The bible says so? I ask you to think.
Even most believers in evolutionism believe in catastrophism (great regional floods) they have to, there is too much geological and anthropological evidence for it....and as for death, let me explain; evolutionism believes the opposite of the law of entropy and that death is the catalyst for advancement. When does a creature know it can't survive? When it is dead? When did it realize it needed to change to survive? After it was dead? Ridiculous!
@apathy7170 Most of the species that ever lived on the earth are extinct ! NO dinosaurs, no trilobites, no sabertooth tigers, no Neaderthal man....
Animals don't change to survive, evolution promotes variation because most things die.
Uniformitarianism says the PROCESSES are the same today as yeaterday. It does not say slow and gradual and no catastrophies. You don't understand how geology or evolution works.
No such thing as the law of entropy. When you were young did you grow?
I realize that most species are extinct...that is buttress for either argument. Concerning "evolution promotes variation?" How exactly? The animals didn't survive to reproduce, much less turn into something new...and Lamarkism is false, it's in the DNA, which does NOT evolve, it is stasis, as Blythe rightly stated when he invented the term "natural selection". Uniformitarianism is a false as Hutton's assumptions, they and it have been proven fallacious...e.g. punctuated equilibrium.
@apathy7170 Hutton was a geologist, the Father of Geology. He didn't assume anything except what all scientists assume, the laws of nature do not change. Punctuated equilibrium from Biology, it is why evolution is not gradual. Darwin did not know about the mass extinctions that happened in the past. His theory replaced Lamark's.
Hutton not only assumed falsely he knowingly falsified erosion rates of Niagara Falls to fit the timeline that he desired, not what was factual. I know the laws of nature do NOT change, every Creationist depends on that...what we see today proves a young earth, stasis in DNA, no transmutation of species, entropy not the opposite, living fossils, no alluvial fans, polystrate fossils, no new biomass conversion, comet life, CMB, magnetic field, symbiotic relationships....etc., etc, etc,
@gregrutz Not to be rude but do you believe everything a theory presents or let me guess, you have a theory to? Were you there when fish walked onto land LMAO this is silly. You speaking as if you were there when you were not, case closed.
@gregrutz Thank you for proving my point;no I was not there when Christ did such a thing. That where my faith comes into the picture but you are teaching this theory as if you were there when you were NOT but I find it more amusing that you know everything but you can't even see with your OWN eye's that evolution is a religion without a God! just as I figured you would, you try to switch the argument to a more childish level. Thanks for clarifying your position in this spiritual war.
@CROBN 1. We have the fossils and geology to study. We know a lot about the past. Climate from tree rings and ice cores. What animals ate from fossil plants, spores and after they evolved, seeds.
2. Science does not use faith or gods or religion.
3. I switch to a childish level because I am talking to people who know zero science and don't even understand simple Logic. ''you can't prove god does not exist'' ''you weren't there'' ''show me half a feather''
@apathy7170 Yes, I studied Thermodynamics, that is why I know there is no Law of Entropy. What does your idea of the 2nd law say? And tell me the 3rd lay too.
Oh! I see you do understand which law I was referring too...if it doesn't exist how come you know what it is? Thank you for helping me see your biases and presuppositions.
@gregrutz The grounds for factual accuracy are based around bit's of truth. The human mind has a hard time processing extraordinary limits. Lack of such divine things only produce theories/connection which only says a very little when the truth itself does not need to be said or told.
@gregrutz Who said your comment was intelligent? I wasn't aware people took 'science' as far as to raise their consciousness? Consider your last statement carefully, you may be the wrong one. Try to refame from paraphrasing others. It's very clear that you have not done any studies yourself; If you define evolution, your argument is already over seeing how there are 6 parts and only one aspect has been proven to be true...I find it more amusing that you find this theory difficult to explain.
@gregrutz Hovind has very little to do with the origins of life...let me guess, you have a theory right? Just explain to me how NON living material created organic material? How did evolution create the human brain? Care to explain the human lungs? Are you tring to say evolution is a god itself Or its all apart of the process? I do not want you to give me a theory but an actual answer please seeing how you know everything...
2. The universe is to complex to even say such a word as 'common'.
3. Yes the body is made of non living molecules, but you still failed the answer the question. Can you yourself make a organic compound out of non living thing like Sand, wood and glass etc etc. Clearly you can differentiate that both have there OWN source when it comes to the start but the beginning of creation holds the key...lack of such divine thing is Inexcusible.
@CROBN 1. Carbon is made in Stars, a product of nuclear fussion.
2. Organic compounds are found everywhere
3. Your body is made of non-living Organic compounds, carbon molecules and water.
And no you can't make Hydrocarbons and Organic compounds out of Silicon Dioxide. You got one right even though you don't know what you are talking about.
4. At the beginning of creation only Hydrogen existed, Everything else evolved.
@gregrutz You obvious lack of discernment and comprehension as well. Where did this large quantities of energy orignate from? You seem to have answer when it comes to explaning evolution but you never had a starting point. Your teaching a theory as fact when it has been proven not to be true. Formulating a bunch of what if's(variable) to back up this failed theory based on the Big Bang/Evolution THEORY is preposterous. You are beyond the boundarys of error If hydrogen existed before who made it?
@gregrutz You obvious lack of discernment and comprehension as well. Where did this large quantities of energy orignate from? You seem to have answer when it comes to explaning evolutionbut you never had a starting point. Your teaching a theory as fact when it has been proven not to be true. Formulating a bunch of what if's(variable) to back up this failed theory based on the Big Bang/Evolution THEORY is preposterous. You are beyond the boundarys of error If hydrogen existed before who made it?
You evo's make statements against Hovind....such as against the different types of evolution...you can't prove Hovind wrong on it...you just use ad hominem's against him without disproving what he has said. You are so inadequate to the task even for an evolutionist...it's a little sad.
@apathy7170 ''without disproving what he has said.'' You, like all creationists, have got it backwards. Hovind is trying to disprove every scientist in the world. But noting he says can debunk the age of the earth or evolution. He has been show he is wrong and keeps repeating the same crap.
Hoving knows which ''evolution'' proves there was no Adam and Eve.
I understand it much much better than you....the universe is a closed system in it entirety, it is not open...but the use the evo's logic. Yes, in a "closed"system it is theoretically always true, the problem for you is that...we can only test it in an "open" system and it is ALWAYS true there as well....duh!
Oh, and by the way, for any evolutionism non intellectual to bring up feathered dinosaurs proves their complete lack of knowledge...which do you mean, archaeopteryx, oops, no missing link...and by the way, what about protofeathers? If you can understand that. I've been to meetings with evo peers such as Chiappe and Sun and they all claim the need to find ANY feathered dino's. How about the morphology of tetrapods? Think you can use that one? You're not able to grasp the obvious.
What truly amazes me is that every time you answer...you repeatedly prove yourself inadequate to the task. You have the misguided believe that you understand topics by watching Nat Geo, without ever asking the true question....what is the presuppositional bias behind this conclusion, all sides have them. Figure that out and maybe you will find some real truth, or at least open a book.
@apathy7170 At least I watch Nat. Geo. and have a degree in Science, studied geology and biology. Also Bio-Chemistry. Were you home schooled, it shows.
If you insist upon disbelief in God, what you must say is, "Having the limited knowledge I have at present, I believe that there is no God." Owing to a lack of knowledge on your part, you don't know if God exists. So, in the strict sense of the word, you cannot be an atheist. The only true qualifier for the title is the One who has absolute knowledge, and why on earth would God want to deny His own existence?
Some interesting scientific facts that the bible mentions that were not discovered by modern science until much later are : 1.) The number of stars are so many , they cannot be counted, 2.) life is in the blood - oxygen , nutrients ,healing , and growth are done through blood circulation , 3.) the body must be cleaned by using running water , not just dipping in water. 4.) the earth is round and is called a circle which hangs on nothing / invisible orbit . There are many more .
In the Beginning , GOD created the heavens and the earth. The earth was not yet fully formed and there was no sun yet until God said , let there be light. Then He made the moon , then the ocean creatures , followed by the land creatures and then man. Funny how evolution theory agrees with the general chronological order that the bible states. The bible does not say man was first , but last to come on the scene , just like evolution states.
For all of you saying that creationists base thier belief on one single book - Evolutionists base thier belief on one single man , his name is Charles Darwin. One dude comes up with a fairy tale about fish majically turning into lizards that turn into birds that become monkeys that one day decide to become human beings. How can you call such a stupid thing like that science. Real science can be clearly and fully demonstrated so that anyone can clearly witness it , evolution fails that test.
If those who do not accept creation theory would use the same scrutiny and rules to examine the evolution theory , than I am sure that they would have the same problems with evolution as they do with creation. Unfortunately , most people are hypocrites and they will not reveal the weaknesses and major problems with thier own personal hopes and beliefs.
Or just someone with another motive. You are most likely a creationist who is (surprise surprise) lying. Evolution is extremely well support by scientific evidence, no matter how strong your beliefs are.
"Adaptation" is different than "Evolution". I agree with the concept of adaptation, however, I don't agree with the idea of evolution. Evolution implies that a species is keeping its old genetic code and obtaining a new genetic coding, that is what the word Evolution implies.. This of course is not the case because their are no species or evidence that points to a species evolving. There is only evidence of adaptation.
Obviously, the creator of this video have no understand of biology and evolution. It's not a random freak mutation in your gene that will cause you to turn into a human.
(Personal Opinion of video based on things considered FACTS)This video suggests that in order to evolve the creature thinks about it. It doesn't. The enviornment changes and through many, Many, MANY generations of that organism changes slowly take place. The reason they take place being genetic mutation, and natural selection. For example : If a creaturres genes are mutated in a small way, this mutation gives them thicker fur, then a volcano erupts causing the average temp (Character Limit >_>)
And since this universe has order, and since we have the complexity of the galaxy, and human beings; it is not a stretch to say this "energy" is God. Just look at the human eye, I forget how many parts it has, however; every part must work together in tandom. (Look it up.) And to think that natural selection just happen to get it right, is more faith than I have.
@Sherri057 this takes very little faith to believe. In natural selection, the ones who had a gene that made their eyes ineffective died, leaving the ones with useable eyes to live. Then the ones that could see the best got the chance to reproduce since they could see prey/predator before the ones who couldnt and fled/attacked before the predator/prey. It makes perfect logical sense; more than god creating humans but us having fossils of dinosaurs and our human ancestors, unexplained by the bible
@Sherri057 BTW i believe in god too, i just also believe in science like evolution too. I wont lecture you on my beliefs more than i already have, though. You prob dont even care!
The 1st law of thermodynamics states that energy cannot be created or destroyed, no beginning or end, therefore eternal. And since science has proven that this universe didn't always exist, the energy here did not exist either, nor did time. Then energy existed elswhere before this universe existed, and at some point was shared, given, or transferred to this universe.
@Grassman40 Evolution is not a belief. It is a fact, just like the existence of gravity is a fact. If someone says they don't "believe" in gravity or they don't believe that the earth is round then they should by all rights be ridiculed, because they are being ridiculous. The same goes for evolution.
Fish evolved lungs while they were still in the water with gills. Fish swimming in stagnant low-oxygen water developed the habit of surfacing and taking a bubble of air into the back of their throat. That helped maintain buoyancy, and also oxygenated their blood a little to supplement the oxygen from their gills. As generations went by, the pocket in their throat slowly grew down into the chest and branched to increase its surface area and improve its gas exchange efficiency, becoming lungs.
"This has been tested and observed? Or is this a theory about what supposedly occured? How do you know this?"
I know this because there are fish living today with lungs, and you can see this very sequence of events in the development of young amphibians.
And, by the way: the first fish-like animals (well over 500 million years ago) were small enough to get oxygen from water through the skin. Their gills originally evolved for filter-feeding as they swam. (They were jawless.)
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Why do you give thumbs down you atheists , is like you have a different explanation from this !
Go type PILTDOWN MAN , and see what you are believing
MrCobra811 3 weeks ago
Really stupid people think this is evolution.
gregrutz 1 month ago
Just search "mudskipper" on youtube.
Fermion911 1 month ago
lulz.
RocknForJesus 1 month ago
WHAHAHAHHAHA!!!
qwennyqwenny 1 month ago
heyout this is real but evolution is possible and a fish doing that is fake xD go to your response its real haha except the part where the fish breathes on land
90lightsaber 2 months ago
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CROBN 2 months ago
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@90lightsaber Evolution is not possible, it's been proven countless times to be WRONG.
CROBN 2 months ago
LOLOLOLOLOLOL
90lightsaber 2 months ago
Best joke I have encountered all day.
BelialAndar 2 months ago
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Father FORGIVE them for they know not what they do. Luke 23:34
CROBN 3 months ago
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apathy7170
''you are the perfect example of a couch potato ''
''You have the misguided believe that you understand topics by watching Nat Geo''
Why are you an Asshole?
gregrutz 3 months ago
I guess the stupidest videos bring out the stupidest creationists to defend them.
gregrutz 3 months ago
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@apathy7170 "Actually, what we see and can verify is Young, not old...Holy2thyname is correct."
Actually... no. China and India have recorded histories longer than any YEC's estimates of the globe's age. Case closed.
Terncote 3 months ago
Fish did not jump onto land, they walked. Stupid video by stupid creationists.
gregrutz 3 months ago
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@kb1329 'u stupid fuck theres a dam grammer mistake he meant to put a comma in front of "frankly" "
That's "grammAr", not 'grammEr" - and there should be a comma AFTER frankly, not infront - (God that was satisfying!)
AhhhhnnnnnD - Of course I knew that there was a punctuation error, which is why I made a HaHa about it, which you alone seemed to miss.
So who's the stupid fuck in thic picture?
Terncote 3 months ago
Sometimes a concept is baffling not because it is profound but because it is wrong.
CROBN 3 months ago
lol, this is so incredibly stupid xD
MrWaddefak 3 months ago
evolution is possible, this video wasmade by some fuckin christian coalltion or sum shit. FAIl.
MMMMMMPIRE 4 months ago
A cartoon fish dies on a beach. How does that prove anything other than heyout doesn't really understand how evolution worked in the first place. The High Evolutionary traveled back in time and injected Human DNA into protozoan lifeforms to create modern Humans with his advanced science because he is the Galactic Savior from the future. Noob.
Gatorv9 4 months ago
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really?.. are you that ignorant?
TheChronograph 4 months ago
creationist. yes...they are THIS retarded.
BigMidget06 4 months ago
you weren't there to see "God" create everything... if fossil evidence, phylogeny, taxonomy, genetics, etc... can't be used as reliable data to back up a theory, how can you possibly use the bible? Biblical scholars can't even decide when the thing was written.
NamasteLAS 4 months ago
@NamasteLAS I never claimed to be there when God created the world. You claim fossil, genetics etc...back up your theory but the point I'm making is that it's a theory. You yourself did not see these things occur but yet you talk as if you were there. You say bones are 350 million years old but how would you know if you have not been alive for 350 million years!? Explain to me how you know what 350 million years looks like in fossil age? The thing called EVOlution is nothing more then religion.
CROBN 4 months ago
@CROBN - Three words for you: GET AN EDUCATION.
MrPlanx 3 months ago
@MrPlanx You shouldn't have to write in all caps to get your point across. When you emphasize everything NOTHING has any special forcefulness or importance. Obviously you need to get the education, when you can't differentiate from what deserves special consideration or emphasis.........well you make this TOO easy. I proved my point last time,I know what I know to be TRUTH and I'm sure you feel the same about what you know; however there is ONLY ONE TRUTH, let's get to the bottom of it shallwe?
CROBN 3 months ago
@CROBN ... fucking retard.
MrPlanx 3 months ago
@MrPlanx Where are your parents? Didn't your parents teach you not to talk to strangers? You should not be left alone infront of a computer, there is so much evil on the net that you can be exposed to. Plese talk to your parents about questions you may have! God help us all!
CROBN 3 months ago
Evolution is hard to believe in because it's spectacular. It really is remarkable. I'm a theist (someone who believes in a creator of some kind) and to me evolution seems like a miracle.
Evolution shows how resilient and flexible life can be.
BigBobsh2o 4 months ago
Might I add, science points to there being a God as well but I guess 500 years of science/theory accounts for 4.5 billion years even though there is no documention/observersion of evolution to support this 4.5 billion year assertion.
CROBN 4 months ago
@CROBN also, there has been no logical observation of god. So how can you claim he exists. So what if jesus claimed tobe the son of god. Do you have any idea how many other people said the exact same thing? There have been no genuine observation/documentation of anything theological that's credible. but we can use fossils and carbon-dating to prove this "4.5 billion year assertion". We have found primitave skeletons from every different animal in less-evolved forms. If that's not proof, what is?
thewhatsit104 4 months ago
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@CROBN also, there has been no logical observation of god. So how can you claim he exists. So what if jesus claimed tobe the son of god. Do you have any idea how many other people said the exact same thing? There have been no genuine observation/documentation of anything theological that's credible. but we can use fossils and carbon-dating to prove this "4.5 billion year assertion". We have found primitave skeletons from every different animal in less-evolved forms. If that's not proof, what is?
thewhatsit104 4 months ago
The best way to describe evolution...I'm calling it untruthful, misleading, nonsense and has no interest in factual accuracy...just theory and that all it ever will be. To sum evolution up, it's a beleif system(religion), to believe in evolution you have to have faith that you came from nothing. But then again who the heck was here to observe the first life forming in some primeval sea?
CROBN 4 months ago
@CROBN well if that's true then how did come come from nothing. You do realize that's a huge hole in your story don't you? second, no evolution is not the kind of theory that you claim it is, what you call a theory is really a hypothesis.THAT is a guess, a theory is well-tested and backed up by evidence. Also, who observed god when he supposedly created everything, yet another giant hole in your story, and no evolution does not say we came from nothing, just that we all share a common ancestor.
thewhatsit104 4 months ago
@thewhatsit104 Again the best way to describe evolution...I'm calling it untruthful, misleading, nonsense and has no interest in factual accuracy...just theory and that all it ever will be. It's a theory based on very limited data! I never proclaimed to observe God when He created everything, that's where my faith comes into the picture of being a believer. The problem with theory is that your teaching it as fact when it's really faith! Can you not differentiate faith from fact and theory?
CROBN 4 months ago
@CROBN no what YOU are saying is faith. You are an incredible hypocrite. Also "very limited data"? do you mean the data aside from the thousands of primitive bones, fossils, extensive carbon dating, and just plain similarities between animals organs that point to a common ancestor.All of that research is misleading? So who decided god is real. There is so much less evidence for that. If evolution is fake, then how did fossils come about. Or do you believe fossils are just a test from god.
thewhatsit104 4 months ago
@thewhatsit104 primitive bones, fossils, extensive carbon dating, and just plain similarities between animals organs does point to creation. You talk as if you were there to see these things happen. Yes you call it evidence to support your theory but it's not a fact because YOU were NOT there!! You don't know what actually happen but your blinded by your faith(Beleif) to understand that what your claiming is not science, its theory nothing more!
CROBN 4 months ago
@CROBN Do you have to be in germany in the 1940's to know that the holocaust toom place. No, because there is an overwhelming body of proof surrounding that event. Isn't evidence what makes a theory into a fact. Evolution is so simple if you can actually comprehend it I could sit here and explain to you how much more plausable it is for evolution to have happened and that the universe was not created by a diety. Where would that god come from? Just more holes in the story.
thewhatsit104 4 months ago
@thewhatsit104 That's no where close to being logical. How can you claim to know that evolution is fact when NO ONE was there to see it happen? I can say the holocaust was fact because it's been recorded. Human's were there to WITNESS such event that took place during the 1940's but your speaking on the subjuct of all things that exisit now! Common error much? I know your faith keeps your hope in this nonsense 'alive' but your so blinded by the EVO aspect that you fail from the start.
CROBN 4 months ago
@CROBN well there are ancient bones that have been deciphered to be hundreds of millions of years old through scientific methods such as carbon dating which is proof wether you choose to believe it or not. Creation is insane because it requires a god to have first placed all species on this earth in human form. That means that he would have had to have been created with powers to help him do so. Where is your proof that happened? at least theres more evidence in evolution than in religion.
thewhatsit104 4 months ago
@thewhatsit104 not to be mean but this is just to help you for future reference. never use bones and carbon dating in the same sentance. fossils dont have carbon. just a heads up. still i agree. evolution has observable evidence. religion has...blind faith.
BigMidget06 4 months ago
@BigMidget06 well i didn't mean we use the carbon dating on bones it was just a somewhat unrelated example but i see how that's misleading. At least there's more evidence than religion.
thewhatsit104 4 months ago
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@thewhatsit104 Might I add, science points to there being a God as well but I guess 500 years of science/theory accounts for 4.5 billion years even though there is no documention/observersion of evolution to support this 4.5 billion year assertion.
CROBN 4 months ago
@CROBN
".just theory and that all it ever will be"
And yet another person who doesn't understand the meaning of the word "theory".
"it's a beleif system(religion)"
Really? Show me the churches. Tell me what its rituals are. What gods are being worshiped?
"who the heck was here to observe the first life forming in some primeval sea"
Who was there to see any god create anything?
MomoTheBellyDancer 4 months ago
@MomoTheBellyDancer Cosmic evolution: The origin of time, space & matter(The Big Bang).
Based off of the Big bang theory, you would have to have billions of years to account for Chemical evolution: hydrogen gas.
Stellar & planetary evolution: The stars and planets would have to form which no has seen happen.
Organic evolution: The origin of Life itself which means life has to get started with non-living material.
Macro evolution: This is change between different kinds of animals.
CROBN 4 months ago
@MomoTheBellyDancer
Organic evolution: The origin of Life itself which means life has to get started with non-living material. please explain to me how a non living material can produce a living thing?
CROBN 4 months ago
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@CROBN
"The origin of Life itself which means life has to get started with non-living material"
There is no actual difference between living and non-living material. We're all star stuff.
"how a non living material can produce a living thing?"
Nobody says that non-living material producing something living. It's a gradient along which life moved gradually. Even now, the boundaries are blurred. Is a virus living? Are prions?
MomoTheBellyDancer 4 months ago
@CROBN the same way molecules like carbon, hydrogen, methane, ammonia can self-assemble - under right conditions - into amino acids!
eleminatus 4 months ago
@eleminatus #1 No one has seen this happen. #2 based off of cosmic evolution(BigBang), it would take billions of years to account for chemical evolution which again no have ever seen happen which is why evolution is a religion<--have to have faith to believe in such a story!
CROBN 4 months ago
@CROBN dude , people have experimented and proved everything , If you wish to be ignorant , be ignorant , there are 100 or more proof , in fact thousands of evolution , Also , your denying , Cosmology too , not just Evolution , Think about it , The earth is not Flat , And the star gives us light , it was not created by god , your light , Also there are billions of starts in the milky way , similarly 150 billion other galaxies ,So aren't you denying too much ?
djay00009 4 months ago
@djay00009 again, no one has seen cosmic evolution occur which means it's not science. If it were science, you would be able to reproduce such a thing don't you think? Only one part of evolution is fact hint hint Micro-evolution but the other 5 parts are religious because you cannot prove them. How can you not see this? I believe God created everything but you believe a big bang created everthing so are you trying to say the big bang is a God itself<--clearly it's a religion, not fact/science.
CROBN 4 months ago
@CROBN no, you can never reproduce Cosmic evolution , Are you stupid ? Its impossible , Study the cosmos more ........
Seriously , Evolution is religious , I think you have not studied evolution , Give me 1 reason why humans have an appendix or a tail bone ?
Evolution :
1) development of embryos
2) fossils
3) Common gene code
4) Antibiotic resistence and vaccines
Five greatest proves that really can't be disproved -_- no matter what
Big bang is not god , What if god made the big bang ?
djay00009 4 months ago
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@djay00009 I clearly pointed out that Micro evolution is fact but the other 5 parts are not. I answered it, you just don't want to accept the answer because it doesn't fit your interpretation.
Also I never said the big bang was a god, try reading a bit slower...
CROBN 4 months ago
@CROBN - Science is NOT always "watching something happen" - Do the police see every crime being committed ? They use clues & evidence to discover what happened, and who did it. When you get hundreds of people using different clues & evidence to come to the same conclusion, that's what science is. ... Using your logic : Did anyone see God create Adam ? Hell NO ! ... so where's your evidence ? Is it some 2000 year old mistranslated book by some unknown writer? .... Yeah, right !
curiousgeorge1940 4 months ago
@CROBN #1 Many have seen that, starting with Miller-Uray and every subsequent experiment of the same field! #2 Cosmic or chemical evolution does not exist! Evolution mechanism works with life, already living organisms. Big bang is a cosmological theory explains origins of universe, which has nothing to do with life! Chemical evolution is simple nonsense. There is no such thing in the scientific community. So please stop inventing things!
eleminatus 4 months ago
@CROBN but heres what I want to ask - what kind of credentials do you have to make such claims? So far, you provide the ignorance of the school-level biology, basic cosmology, simple chemistry and you invent facts! You see, there is a complex system that helps us determine what is true and what is not. So could you provide us all with some data or research that makes you make the conclusions you make!
eleminatus 4 months ago
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Of course you don't believe in it. You don't understand it.
SmokingNtheGraveyard 5 months ago
@Holy2theName "Frankly science actually supports a young earth."
What's frankly science? It must be some sort of retarded science because real science puts the age of the earth at about 4,5 billion years.
Terncote 5 months ago 7
@Terncote u stupid fuck theres a dam grammer mistake he meant to put a comma in front of "frankly"
kb1329 3 months ago
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Terncote 3 months ago
@Terncote after and in fornt are the same shit dumbass nd ur still stupid
kb1329 3 months ago
@Terncote *front
kb1329 3 months ago
@Terncote
Actually, what we see and can verify is Young, not old...Holy2thyname is correct.
apathy7170 3 months ago
@apathy7170 The ‘Super Group’ of rocks in the Grand Canyon are below the level layers at the east end. These layers were laid down level, block faulted into mountains [they are tilted], worn flat, and then the Teapeats Sandstone was laid down over the basement layers. Then another 5000 feet of sediments was laid down, some wind blown desert sands, some corals. Then the whole area got raised to 8000 feet above sea level. Finally water flowing down hill cut the canyon. How long did it take ?
gregrutz 3 months ago
@gregrutz
Water would have had to flow uphill to cut the Grand Canyon according to evolutionary erosion patterns, even evolutionary geologists consider it inland seas or based on glacier formations, which is catastrophism. The Tapeats (not Teapeats) have relics from the Anasazi in them...oops! less then 2000 years.
apathy7170 3 months ago
@apathy7170 They think the water would have a problem if the Colorado Plarue was raised up when the Rocky Mts. were raised up, 44 million years ago. And the river only started cutting 5-7 million years ago, read up on the facts before you say stupid stuff.
You can't explain where all the layers exposed in the Grand Canyon came from. Geologists can, and they proved there was no global flood.
gregrutz 3 months ago
@apathy7170 ''according to evolutionary erosion patterns'' Evolution is a theory from biology. Biologists don't give a shit about erosion rates or patterns.
''Tapeats Sandstone averages 525 million years old and is made of cliff-derived medium- to coarse-grained sand and conglomerate that was deposited on an ancient shore. The Anasazi hiked into the canyon, so what?
gregrutz 3 months ago
Wow. You have a real poor understanding of science. By the way, your animation sucks. You should evolve your animation skills.
apaculus666 5 months ago
You are doing it wrong!
TaiFerret 6 months ago
Was this supposed to be some argument against evolution?
Do they show this at bible-baptist-keep-our-kids-in-the-dark-ages camps?"
Will God please give me a refund on the one minute one second wasted on watching this.
WereJellyFish 6 months ago
if you think science holds all the answer your wrong , if you think god holds all the answer you could be wrong 2. Faith makes things easy for when things get hard. It sad to see people lower them selves as nothing then tell people because a they don't agree with them that they are stupid. your knowledge and judgement should not be use to slander others but to inform. finally do what is right because it's rite. you can look at life 2 ways believe in something or die for nothing. god bless.
chrisrogers1229 6 months ago
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Shadowfireblast 6 months ago
for people still fighting over the whole science vs religion thing
science explains how
religion explains why
evolution brought us here...its proved already...but why?
why did we become what we are today?
why did this little planet of ours started having life on it?
those are the questions religion should answer
and NOT to question things that were already proven long ago
i know evolution is true but i also believe that there someone making sure it all goes right
ferradansable 6 months ago
@ferradansable abiogenesis is how life started. look it up. and evolution already explains why we became what we are today.
sunburststratocaster 6 months ago
@sunburststratocaster
i meant why in another way
we cant be what we are for random
it cant be just a big lottery
yes there are random mutations
but i think someone or something is planning them to go a certain way
yes abiogenesis probably happened but WHY here?
i meant the meaning of all this
that is what religion answers or at least should in my opinion
ferradansable 6 months ago
@ferradansable but random mutations are not what evolution is. land was created, and the fish slowly adapted to the land and grew legs, this continued for the new environments that we needed to adapt to, until gorillas evolved into humans. abiogenesis happened here because we had exactly the right conditions. NOT because of a god. there were billions of other planets this could have happened to, but since it happened here, people say it was meant to happen. and what meaning? we're here.
sunburststratocaster 6 months ago
the titel should be
Evolution - A Cartoon Presentation of someone who doesn't get it.
jakiedark 7 months ago
118 People don't understand the evolution
MagicasReveladas 7 months ago
God who crated the world is fake
Chamath5 7 months ago
Religion tears the world apart...
AngieFrangieINC 7 months ago
thats not how it happened! the fish grew it's legs under water! and then when he could use then he just walked up on to land!
codeman7055 7 months ago
I still can't get the connection between not believing in evolution and believing in "God" .... If ( quoting here : " God works in mysterious ways " ) then why wouldn't evolution be part of those ways? Who the hell are we to question HIS , or HER methods ? Hmmmmm ? Any answer from the bible thumpers ?
curiousgeorge1940 7 months ago 21
@curiousgeorge1940 There are many Christian evolutionists. Just search for theistic evolution. Christian opposition to evolution is really rooted in a special form of conservatism - and- obviously all conservative Christians would agree the Bible is more important than science, so if they cant get the two co-exist together, they reject science.
Endnuenfyr 7 months ago
@curiousgeorge1940 I guess i'm that "bible thumper". to deny that evolution has occurred and is occurring, one must be ignoring a lot of scientific evidence. evolution is definitely possible, its just that I don't believe evolution occurred to the scale of fish to frog to human. I believe God created many, many different species of animals and plants, and also created humans. many of the species of animals as we know them today evolved to become that way. even humans have evolved a great deal.
ridehonda107 6 months ago
@curiousgeorge1940 Frankly science actually supports a young earth. God said so in His Word, and it's true. :) Seek and you shall find.
Holy2theName 5 months ago
@Holy2theName - I can't believe that you are denying 500 years of discoveries that man has made since Galileo. All the sciences point to a NOT young earth, unless you can't think your way out of a paper bag !
Any dog, or other animal breeder can show you evidence of evolution , right in his own back yard : unless you are so blinded and brainwashed by your church, that you cannot or will not see the real world.
curiousgeorge1940 5 months ago
@curiousgeorge1940 The mechanism of evolution is considered to be Natural Selection (NS) and Random Mutation(RM) this is a Naturalistic process. Naturalism commonly refers to the philosophical belief that only natural laws and forces (as opposed to supernatural ones) operate in the world and that nothing exists beyond the natural world, and so evolution via these naturalistic processes is historically and currently championed by Atheists such as Richard Dawkins. God is not needed!
rogbec01 4 months ago
@curiousgeorge1940 (part 2) Theists challenge the idea that nature is all there is. They believe in a God (or gods) that created nature. natural laws do not define nor limit the deity(ies), who is the primary cause. This is the position of Theistic Evolutionists. Does answer some of the hard questions re evolution such as abiogenesis, but this is an impersonal God, setting the tooth and claw world of suffering in motion and watching aloof, This is not the character of the God of the Bible!
rogbec01 4 months ago
@curiousgeorge1940 they thing they know god better than anyone , and that their god made adam and Eve , eve was made from a bone in Adam's body ( sexiest right there ) female was created from man :D
Also god created the earth first , then he made light ,then he made stars and the sun,then he split into air and water , then he made land , and all animals and birds , Then he made man .
This is a story of creation , who wants to believe in it ?? Thumbs up :D lol
djay00009 4 months ago
@curiousgeorge1940
If the question is: could YHWH have used evolution?...then the answer is yes, but did He use evolution...the answer is NO! How do we know...many reasons. 1) His book (Bible) tells us how He created ALL things, fully mature. 2)He tells us that He did not use death to Create, but death was due to sin, the opposite of life. 3) God's creates perfectly the first time, man made creation entropic...etc.
apathy7170 3 months ago
@apathy7170 - There's the BIG problem with creationism. Once you buy the priest classes' hook that we are born in sin; they gotcha! You now depend on THEM to tell you who,what,when and how everything happens. You forfeit the ability to think for yourself. You lose the capacity to learn anything that's not in THEIR list of approved list of learning.( see also:Catholic Church banned books ). Asking; "what are those mysterious ways?" is the first step to your real "salvation" in a real world.
curiousgeorge1940 3 months ago
@curiousgeorge1940
You are equating original sin with YHWH's creation; why, I'm not sure. But, NO evangelical looks to the cult of catholicism for ANYTHING. We only look to the Word of God, (solo scriptura) nor do we need a church or man's doctrine for salvation or worldy words. The church is a buttress not the basis for faith...they do often give religion a bad name...as it quite often deserves. I'm not religious, I'm saved. But, that has nothing to do with Creationism vs. evolutionism.
apathy7170 3 months ago
@apathy7170"We only look to the Word of God,(solo scriptura)" -You mean the same "WORD" that 2000 years of Catholic (papist) priests wrote down, changing & eliminating many books that did not fit their view of what should or should not be taught to the sheeple? Is that the "word" you refer to? Isn't your creationist (6000 year old Earth) the work of a 15th century idiotic Catholic priest who had no freakin' clue about the Old Testament's reckoning of time? Is that the "word" you follow ?
curiousgeorge1940 3 months ago
@curiousgeorge1940
If you believe any of what you just said...you believe exactly what the secular non believing let's make the Bible a myth t.v, documentary series of the modern age spew...you are the perfect example of a couch potato that wants to be spoon fed what the media wants them to believe and not to think for themselves or look at the real truth and facts of an argument. Congratulations...secular humanists have you right where they want you. Oh! and so does satan, and he is real too!
apathy7170 3 months ago
@apathy7170 - So now we enter the last resort of a lost debate : No more logic or facts to spew ... You resort to name-calling, false accusations, changing the subject and throwing a tantrum. ( just like a politician caught with his pants down ! ) I guess this thread is finished.
- P.S. Satan & I will be having coffee & devil's food cake after dinner tonight... you are welcome to join us !
curiousgeorge1940 3 months ago
@curiousgeorge1940
What are you talking about? I don't the subject, not name calling, you are appear to be the one wining a lot.
apathy7170 3 months ago
@apathy7170 The bible says there was a flood and there never was a global flood. Death is part of life, the end part. Why do you think there was no death in the past. The bible says so? I ask you to think.
gregrutz 3 months ago
@gregrutz
Even most believers in evolutionism believe in catastrophism (great regional floods) they have to, there is too much geological and anthropological evidence for it....and as for death, let me explain; evolutionism believes the opposite of the law of entropy and that death is the catalyst for advancement. When does a creature know it can't survive? When it is dead? When did it realize it needed to change to survive? After it was dead? Ridiculous!
apathy7170 3 months ago
@apathy7170 Most of the species that ever lived on the earth are extinct ! NO dinosaurs, no trilobites, no sabertooth tigers, no Neaderthal man....
Animals don't change to survive, evolution promotes variation because most things die.
Uniformitarianism says the PROCESSES are the same today as yeaterday. It does not say slow and gradual and no catastrophies. You don't understand how geology or evolution works.
No such thing as the law of entropy. When you were young did you grow?
gregrutz 3 months ago
@gregrutz
I realize that most species are extinct...that is buttress for either argument. Concerning "evolution promotes variation?" How exactly? The animals didn't survive to reproduce, much less turn into something new...and Lamarkism is false, it's in the DNA, which does NOT evolve, it is stasis, as Blythe rightly stated when he invented the term "natural selection". Uniformitarianism is a false as Hutton's assumptions, they and it have been proven fallacious...e.g. punctuated equilibrium.
apathy7170 3 months ago
@apathy7170 Hutton was a geologist, the Father of Geology. He didn't assume anything except what all scientists assume, the laws of nature do not change. Punctuated equilibrium from Biology, it is why evolution is not gradual. Darwin did not know about the mass extinctions that happened in the past. His theory replaced Lamark's.
You have no idea what you are talking about.
gregrutz 3 months ago
@gregrutz
Hutton not only assumed falsely he knowingly falsified erosion rates of Niagara Falls to fit the timeline that he desired, not what was factual. I know the laws of nature do NOT change, every Creationist depends on that...what we see today proves a young earth, stasis in DNA, no transmutation of species, entropy not the opposite, living fossils, no alluvial fans, polystrate fossils, no new biomass conversion, comet life, CMB, magnetic field, symbiotic relationships....etc., etc, etc,
apathy7170 3 months ago
@apathy7170 ''no transmutation of species'' Do you mean transitional species, like dinosaurs with feathers?
living fossils, They don't prove anything. no alluvial fans, Go to Nevada
polystrate fossils were buried quickly or they would have rotted. There are many layers of forest in Yellowstone Park, were there many floods?
Geology prove the eath is old. Astronomy proves the universe is old.
The magnetic field flips and helped prove plate tectonics.
gregrutz 3 months ago
@gregrutz
Not to be too rude...but you appear to not understand the topic very well.
apathy7170 3 months ago
@apathy7170 Not to be rude.... but are you home schooled?
Stupid video.
Fish didn't jump onto land, they walked.
gregrutz 3 months ago
@gregrutz Not to be rude but do you believe everything a theory presents or let me guess, you have a theory to? Were you there when fish walked onto land LMAO this is silly. You speaking as if you were there when you were not, case closed.
CROBN 3 months ago
@CROBN ''Were you there.'' Sorry I didn't know, but i should have guessed, I was talking to someone really stupid.
Did you see Jesus rise from the dead? case closed.
gregrutz 3 months ago
@gregrutz Thank you for proving my point;no I was not there when Christ did such a thing. That where my faith comes into the picture but you are teaching this theory as if you were there when you were NOT but I find it more amusing that you know everything but you can't even see with your OWN eye's that evolution is a religion without a God! just as I figured you would, you try to switch the argument to a more childish level. Thanks for clarifying your position in this spiritual war.
CROBN 3 months ago
@CROBN 1. We have the fossils and geology to study. We know a lot about the past. Climate from tree rings and ice cores. What animals ate from fossil plants, spores and after they evolved, seeds.
2. Science does not use faith or gods or religion.
3. I switch to a childish level because I am talking to people who know zero science and don't even understand simple Logic. ''you can't prove god does not exist'' ''you weren't there'' ''show me half a feather''
4. It is science not war.
gregrutz 3 months ago
@gregrutz
No such thing as the Law of Entropy? or you sure you understand Laws of Thermodynamics...I'm sure you do not.
apathy7170 3 months ago
@apathy7170 Yes, I studied Thermodynamics, that is why I know there is no Law of Entropy. What does your idea of the 2nd law say? And tell me the 3rd lay too.
gregrutz 3 months ago
@gregrutz
Oh! I see you do understand which law I was referring too...if it doesn't exist how come you know what it is? Thank you for helping me see your biases and presuppositions.
apathy7170 3 months ago
@apathy7170 There are 3 Laws of Thermodymanic, none of them is the law of entropy.
And the 2nd law applies to a closed system. Life is an open system, it get it's energy from the sun.
Creatards can't prove science wrong because they don't understand it.
gregrutz 3 months ago
@gregrutz The grounds for factual accuracy are based around bit's of truth. The human mind has a hard time processing extraordinary limits. Lack of such divine things only produce theories/connection which only says a very little when the truth itself does not need to be said or told.
CROBN 3 months ago
@CROBN Sorry to here science is difficult for you.
gregrutz 3 months ago
@gregrutz Who said your comment was intelligent? I wasn't aware people took 'science' as far as to raise their consciousness? Consider your last statement carefully, you may be the wrong one. Try to refame from paraphrasing others. It's very clear that you have not done any studies yourself; If you define evolution, your argument is already over seeing how there are 6 parts and only one aspect has been proven to be true...I find it more amusing that you find this theory difficult to explain.
CROBN 3 months ago
@CROBN 6 kinds of evolution? You have been watching too many Hovind videos.
There is only one evolution, the one that proves your religion wrong.
And you are right, Evolution has been observed and proven. There is no big or little evolution. Just Origin of Species.
gregrutz 3 months ago
@gregrutz Hovind has very little to do with the origins of life...let me guess, you have a theory right? Just explain to me how NON living material created organic material? How did evolution create the human brain? Care to explain the human lungs? Are you tring to say evolution is a god itself Or its all apart of the process? I do not want you to give me a theory but an actual answer please seeing how you know everything...
CROBN 3 months ago
@CROBN And when I am done giving you a science education, then will you accept the Truth.
explain to me how NON living material created organic material?
1. Organic material is anything made with Carbon atoms.
2. It is common in the universe
3. You are still made from non living organic molecules.
gregrutz 3 months ago
@gregrutz
1. Where do Carbon Atoms originate?
2. The universe is to complex to even say such a word as 'common'.
3. Yes the body is made of non living molecules, but you still failed the answer the question. Can you yourself make a organic compound out of non living thing like Sand, wood and glass etc etc. Clearly you can differentiate that both have there OWN source when it comes to the start but the beginning of creation holds the key...lack of such divine thing is Inexcusible.
CROBN 3 months ago
@CROBN 1. Carbon is made in Stars, a product of nuclear fussion.
2. Organic compounds are found everywhere
3. Your body is made of non-living Organic compounds, carbon molecules and water.
And no you can't make Hydrocarbons and Organic compounds out of Silicon Dioxide. You got one right even though you don't know what you are talking about.
4. At the beginning of creation only Hydrogen existed, Everything else evolved.
gregrutz 3 months ago
@gregrutz You obvious lack of discernment and comprehension as well. Where did this large quantities of energy orignate from? You seem to have answer when it comes to explaning evolution but you never had a starting point. Your teaching a theory as fact when it has been proven not to be true. Formulating a bunch of what if's(variable) to back up this failed theory based on the Big Bang/Evolution THEORY is preposterous. You are beyond the boundarys of error If hydrogen existed before who made it?
CROBN 3 months ago
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@gregrutz You obvious lack of discernment and comprehension as well. Where did this large quantities of energy orignate from? You seem to have answer when it comes to explaning evolutionbut you never had a starting point. Your teaching a theory as fact when it has been proven not to be true. Formulating a bunch of what if's(variable) to back up this failed theory based on the Big Bang/Evolution THEORY is preposterous. You are beyond the boundarys of error If hydrogen existed before who made it?
CROBN 3 months ago
@gregrutz
You evo's make statements against Hovind....such as against the different types of evolution...you can't prove Hovind wrong on it...you just use ad hominem's against him without disproving what he has said. You are so inadequate to the task even for an evolutionist...it's a little sad.
apathy7170 3 months ago
@apathy7170 ''without disproving what he has said.'' You, like all creationists, have got it backwards. Hovind is trying to disprove every scientist in the world. But noting he says can debunk the age of the earth or evolution. He has been show he is wrong and keeps repeating the same crap.
Hoving knows which ''evolution'' proves there was no Adam and Eve.
gregrutz 3 months ago
@gregrutz
I understand it much much better than you....the universe is a closed system in it entirety, it is not open...but the use the evo's logic. Yes, in a "closed"system it is theoretically always true, the problem for you is that...we can only test it in an "open" system and it is ALWAYS true there as well....duh!
apathy7170 3 months ago
@gregrutz
Oh, and by the way, for any evolutionism non intellectual to bring up feathered dinosaurs proves their complete lack of knowledge...which do you mean, archaeopteryx, oops, no missing link...and by the way, what about protofeathers? If you can understand that. I've been to meetings with evo peers such as Chiappe and Sun and they all claim the need to find ANY feathered dino's. How about the morphology of tetrapods? Think you can use that one? You're not able to grasp the obvious.
apathy7170 3 months ago
@gregrutz
What truly amazes me is that every time you answer...you repeatedly prove yourself inadequate to the task. You have the misguided believe that you understand topics by watching Nat Geo, without ever asking the true question....what is the presuppositional bias behind this conclusion, all sides have them. Figure that out and maybe you will find some real truth, or at least open a book.
apathy7170 3 months ago
@apathy7170 At least I watch Nat. Geo. and have a degree in Science, studied geology and biology. Also Bio-Chemistry. Were you home schooled, it shows.
gregrutz 3 months ago
@gregrutz
I am degreed in Science...from secular universities, as well as all of my schooling was secular.
apathy7170 3 months ago
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@apathy7170 What science? If you think this video has anything to do with evolution you are not a scientist.
gregrutz 3 months ago
@apathy7170 ''God's creates perfectly the first time'' Yes, the wonders of nature prove God, the screw ups prove evolution.
gregrutz 3 months ago
If you insist upon disbelief in God, what you must say is, "Having the limited knowledge I have at present, I believe that there is no God." Owing to a lack of knowledge on your part, you don't know if God exists. So, in the strict sense of the word, you cannot be an atheist. The only true qualifier for the title is the One who has absolute knowledge, and why on earth would God want to deny His own existence?
SuperTruthlover 7 months ago
it didn't all happen at once it took millions-maby billions of years.
dinosaurus1337 7 months ago
Some interesting scientific facts that the bible mentions that were not discovered by modern science until much later are : 1.) The number of stars are so many , they cannot be counted, 2.) life is in the blood - oxygen , nutrients ,healing , and growth are done through blood circulation , 3.) the body must be cleaned by using running water , not just dipping in water. 4.) the earth is round and is called a circle which hangs on nothing / invisible orbit . There are many more .
marleonetti5 8 months ago
In the Beginning , GOD created the heavens and the earth. The earth was not yet fully formed and there was no sun yet until God said , let there be light. Then He made the moon , then the ocean creatures , followed by the land creatures and then man. Funny how evolution theory agrees with the general chronological order that the bible states. The bible does not say man was first , but last to come on the scene , just like evolution states.
marleonetti5 8 months ago
For all of you saying that creationists base thier belief on one single book - Evolutionists base thier belief on one single man , his name is Charles Darwin. One dude comes up with a fairy tale about fish majically turning into lizards that turn into birds that become monkeys that one day decide to become human beings. How can you call such a stupid thing like that science. Real science can be clearly and fully demonstrated so that anyone can clearly witness it , evolution fails that test.
marleonetti5 8 months ago
If those who do not accept creation theory would use the same scrutiny and rules to examine the evolution theory , than I am sure that they would have the same problems with evolution as they do with creation. Unfortunately , most people are hypocrites and they will not reveal the weaknesses and major problems with thier own personal hopes and beliefs.
marleonetti5 8 months ago
Or just someone with another motive. You are most likely a creationist who is (surprise surprise) lying. Evolution is extremely well support by scientific evidence, no matter how strong your beliefs are.
FrankieSayRelaxxx1 8 months ago
@FrankieSayRelaxxx1 Evolution is filled with fallacies no matter how strong your disbeliefs are.
tpstrat14 8 months ago
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@tpstrat14 You are all talk and no evidence. What fallacies are you talking of?
FrankieSayRelaxxx1 8 months ago
BURN IN HELL FOREVER OR BELIEVE IN JESUS
EVOLUTION IS THE GREATEST MASTERPIECE OF SATAN
fuckmania07 8 months ago
If this is how a creationist sees evolution, then I have my work cut out for me as a teacher...
gardener68 8 months ago
this is the best creationists can do,... a strawman
ChlorophyllYourMind 8 months ago
exactomundo!
lilwinche 9 months ago
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"Adaptation" is different than "Evolution". I agree with the concept of adaptation, however, I don't agree with the idea of evolution. Evolution implies that a species is keeping its old genetic code and obtaining a new genetic coding, that is what the word Evolution implies.. This of course is not the case because their are no species or evidence that points to a species evolving. There is only evidence of adaptation.
CalamityStriker 9 months ago
Yes, as others have pointed out, there are fish capable of breathing surface oxygen. It is called the mudskipper
Sparvid 9 months ago
You do realise that there are certain species of fish that can breathe on land, right?
jdawg2061 9 months ago
The only thing impossible is the thought of all man to be intelligent enough to understand that there never has been a god...
IsenbergerHerold 9 months ago
Obviously, the creator of this video have no understand of biology and evolution. It's not a random freak mutation in your gene that will cause you to turn into a human.
SCOPLAChina 9 months ago
(Personal Opinion of video based on things considered FACTS)This video suggests that in order to evolve the creature thinks about it. It doesn't. The enviornment changes and through many, Many, MANY generations of that organism changes slowly take place. The reason they take place being genetic mutation, and natural selection. For example : If a creaturres genes are mutated in a small way, this mutation gives them thicker fur, then a volcano erupts causing the average temp (Character Limit >_>)
bubbletanking 9 months ago
And since this universe has order, and since we have the complexity of the galaxy, and human beings; it is not a stretch to say this "energy" is God. Just look at the human eye, I forget how many parts it has, however; every part must work together in tandom. (Look it up.) And to think that natural selection just happen to get it right, is more faith than I have.
Sherri057 9 months ago
@Sherri057 this takes very little faith to believe. In natural selection, the ones who had a gene that made their eyes ineffective died, leaving the ones with useable eyes to live. Then the ones that could see the best got the chance to reproduce since they could see prey/predator before the ones who couldnt and fled/attacked before the predator/prey. It makes perfect logical sense; more than god creating humans but us having fossils of dinosaurs and our human ancestors, unexplained by the bible
Luigithepwner 9 months ago
@Sherri057 BTW i believe in god too, i just also believe in science like evolution too. I wont lecture you on my beliefs more than i already have, though. You prob dont even care!
Luigithepwner 9 months ago
The 1st law of thermodynamics states that energy cannot be created or destroyed, no beginning or end, therefore eternal. And since science has proven that this universe didn't always exist, the energy here did not exist either, nor did time. Then energy existed elswhere before this universe existed, and at some point was shared, given, or transferred to this universe.
Sherri057 9 months ago
@BARNEYRAPEDME69
Way to be a douchebag. All he said was his beliefs... He never made fun of you or your beliefs, he just said HIS belief.
And people say that people with religion are hateful. Whatever.
Grassman40 10 months ago
@Grassman40 Evolution is not a belief. It is a fact, just like the existence of gravity is a fact. If someone says they don't "believe" in gravity or they don't believe that the earth is round then they should by all rights be ridiculed, because they are being ridiculous. The same goes for evolution.
madmodder 10 months ago
Fish evolved lungs while they were still in the water with gills. Fish swimming in stagnant low-oxygen water developed the habit of surfacing and taking a bubble of air into the back of their throat. That helped maintain buoyancy, and also oxygenated their blood a little to supplement the oxygen from their gills. As generations went by, the pocket in their throat slowly grew down into the chest and branched to increase its surface area and improve its gas exchange efficiency, becoming lungs.
mosquitobight 10 months ago
@mosquitobight keep telling your self that. ;)
hi73701 10 months ago
@mosquitobight This has been tested and observed? Or is this a theory about what supposedly occured? How do you know this?
jvsm1971 10 months ago
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@jvsm1971
"This has been tested and observed? Or is this a theory about what supposedly occured? How do you know this?"
I know this because there are fish living today with lungs, and you can see this very sequence of events in the development of young amphibians.
mosquitobight 9 months ago
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@jvsm1971
"This has been tested and observed? Or is this a theory about what supposedly occured? How do you know this?"
I know this because there are fish living today with lungs, and you can see this very sequence of events in the development of young amphibians.
And, by the way: the first fish-like animals (well over 500 million years ago) were small enough to get oxygen from water through the skin. Their gills originally evolved for filter-feeding as they swam. (They were jawless.)
mosquitobight 9 months ago
I WONDER WHERE ALL THAT LAND/ WATER CAME FROM??? GOD...HINT HINT
travv444 10 months ago
thats what the fish gets for being a creationist
CastawayRY 10 months ago 20
Your point is correct, the video isn't. Simple.
Tahsin1998 10 months ago
sort of funny...too long and shit music ^^
rusty967 10 months ago
brilliant!
salmagnum 11 months ago
why is the words booty sexy fun and funny in the tags?!
obenrob 11 months ago
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mdsatan 10 months ago