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  • The Father or the One True God in both the OT and NT refers to YHWH and Deut 6:4 says that YHWH is echad 1 not compound 1. If we read any text whether the Bible or any other book we must use the same thought process grammatical/numeric logic. 1 God in any other book means 1 God but when we read the Bible the 1 God suddenly means 1 Being 3 co -equal co -eternal persons? Huh? He are Three They is One defies objective grammatical logic and breaks all rules as to word meaning(s)!

  • One reads and exegetes either Oneness Modalism or some implicit type of character distinction.The use of Ton Theon and theos makes it clear that both are Gods but they are Gods in different ways belonging to an ageless relationship. If Jesus Joh 8:58 using Ego Eimi means YHWH's Exo 3:14 Ego Eimi aren't we conflating the sacred cow of Being and Person distinction. The Son is the Father the Son is not the Father?

  • The Ego Eimi sayings of Jesus/Logos do not mean that he is identifying himself with YHWH a claim never once stated in the Bible. Joh 1:1 In the beginning "of God the Father's creative works" was the Word "the Word was already existing" and the Word was with (The) God and ()God was the Word "Divine or like God" If the Word was with (The) God and theos was the Word can you make the Logos(The) God himself why not just say it? Ton Theon and theos sounds awfully like two separate beings to me.

  • The Ego Eimi is a red herring as if it is code for some mystical connection between Father and Son equating the Son with the Father or worse making the Son the Father. This type of Biblical interpretation smacks of Gematria and Pythagorean/platonic symbology.Alexandrian allegorical hermeneutics for the 21st Century.

  • Why does Dr. Strauss only use the Ego Eimi sayings of John what about the Ego Eimi of Matthew Mark Luke where Jesus' Ego Eimi meant in the Synoptic "I am the Messiah the Son of God". Son means Son when you have a Son it means you have a Father when you have a Father it means in human language and in biological terms that he was before you both in Age and primacy. If the Bible is written for mankind then the target language will reflect human thought patterns and logical processes.

  • Jesus did have a heavenly pre-existence but not as some Triune God but as a son of YHWH. Son in heavens means the same as son on earth. A son is someone who has a Father meaning that the Father is first and there was a time when the son was not.

  • Jesus tells the Jews before Abraham was I already existed, and this can clearly be read in Micah 5:2 "Out of thee shall Mine (The Messiah) come forth to be ruler of Israel, Whose comings forth have been from of old from the days of age past time. Jesus is here identified by the prophet Micah as the Messianic son of YHWH not YHWH himself . Ego Eimi is a common text manipulated and artfully misconstrued Trinitarians to erroneously prove that Jesus Ego Eimi is YHWH Esomai hos Esomai.

  • For YHWH speaking to Abraham in Genesis 22:17-18 says "That I (Yhwh) will richly bless thee (Abraham)and abundantly multiply thy seed as the stars of the heavens, and as the sand which is on the lip of the sea, that thy seed may take possession of the gate of his foes. So shall all the nations of the earth bless themselves in thy seed. The Messiah would come from the line of Abraham

  • The true name of YHWH in Ex. 3:14 in greek is "Esomai hos Esomai" meaning "I will be what/who I will be" not the mistranslated and abbreviated "ego eimi"which if read carefully in the greek LXX will show the full tetragrammaton translated as "Ego eimi ho on" or "I am the One who is" not "I am what I am". Jesus in John 8:58 states "Amen, Amen lego umin prin Abraam genesthai ego eimi" Truly, truly before Abraham was I am. Jesus identifies a prior existence to Abraham as the expected Messiah!!!!!

  • If you just read the letters of Ignatius, Polycarp and others to show they viewed Jesus as God very early on.

  • Let me begin by reading a passage from 'The Da Vinci Code'.

    LOL

  • God's inspired word (Holy Bible) can withstand the tests of time, and accurately predicts many worldwide events, He can declare the end from the beginning. If you don't find the Holy Bible reliable why do you find the gospel of Timothy reliable?(I googled the Nagg Hamadi library). I know that what I am experiencing in my walk with God is real-I hope you find the truth. I am glad that you have a desire to search for the truth!

  • @adomjask Yes, I am aware that he was crucified on a tree(log or whatever). I also too believe in the spiritual resurrection(it is not a terrestial one but a celestial one...1Corinthians 15:40-49). In order to achieve resurrection we must...

    believe on Jesus(John28:4),

    repent of our sins(Luke 13:3&5),

    be baptised in Jesus' name (John 3),

    then receive the Holy Spirit (Acts 3:37-39).

    Lord bless you adomjask, continue seeking out the truth.

  • @adomjask Isaiah42:1-4 speaks of Jesus-whom God puts his spirit upon, originally only meant to save Israel, but ends up offering salvation to all who will believe on Him (gentiles are non-israelites). He did not run away nor prevent His torture or crucifixion, for it all had to happen in order for Him to redeem His people. He paid the price for our sins with His blood.

    1 Timothy 3:16..And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh...

  • @adomjask Isaiah42:1-4 speaks of Jesus-whom God puts his spirit upon, originally only meant to save Israel, but ends up offering salvation to all who will believe on Him (gentiles are non-israelites). He did not run away nor prevent his torture or crucifixion, for it all had to happen in order for him to redeem His people. He paid the price for our sins with His blood.

    1 Timothy 3:16..And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh...

  • Constantine was a traitor. Jesus never walked, never talked, and never breathed, it is an Idol from a prostitute divorced from Christ.

    Wasn't it .... "I am, that I am" Get it right, teacher for hire. Then declared himself/herself Yahuah King of the Universe.

    Hypocrites, you believe teachers for hire before Yahuah of hosts, the Holy Spirit needs no triangle to be with his/her people.

    Dare you insult the Holy Spirit by removing what he/she wishes to be seen?

  • I only have one question and that is if Jesus and God are one in the exact same why does Jesus refer to "My father" and then when the disciples asked Him when he was to return Jesus says no man no the day nor the hour not even the SON so now it seems to prove that Jesus and GOD are not one in the same because not even Jesus knows when he is coming back but the Father knows.

  • @adomjask He had to die on the cross to fulfill prophecy(Read Isaiah chapter 42:1-4 and onwards).

    Otherwise man would not have the gift of salvation. Thanks Jesus!

  • @adomjask he had to die on the cross to fulfill prophecy-you should check it out.

  • If trinity was important, Matthew 24:14 would say; when Trinity has been preached, then the end would come. What's important is the preaching of Gods Kingdom. Now.... What is Gods Kingdom?

  • @Jthetinman You witnesses are so wrapped in what the kingdom is. You have no true explanation from God, Jesus, or one of His disciples. All you can do is what the rest of Christians do. Self-interpret passages without ever knowing, firstly, if the passage in question is even authentic, and secondly, if the interpretation is according to the true understanding or the dictates of your own desires. Your whims and passions are no substitute for the truth.

  • God cannot dwell in His creation. Whether it be wrapped in a human tortilla or merely being within the realm of creation. Jesus obviously was on the planet and was subjected to the elements of creation, i.e. time, dimensions, birth, eating drinking, pooping, peeing, etc. God can never be subjected to the different elements of creation. It is inconsistent with who He is. A false god could dwell in the creation, but not the real One. It is unbefitting His Majesty. God is above such inconsistencies

  • Jesus is the son of God, he is not God. Jesus said: the one he sent me is greater than I. God sent Jesus that he existed with God before the creation to earth to speak his father,s word, not to be God. He said to Philips, you have seeing the father in me, it is true, Jesus came to earth to represent God and to speak God word, not to be God, therefore, he said, the one he sent me is greater than I.

  • Liar!

  • Interesting:

    Jesus argued that the Pharisees had inherited their father's inability to discern the truth of his words; when he asserted that their Father was actually Satan (spiritually speaking). While Jesus argues that they lacked the ability to understand the true meaning of his words ... Trinitarians VOUCH for the Pharisees' ability to understand Jesus' words, while they knowingly align themselves with his enemies; while presuming to do so in his name.That's so messed up.

  • Check out what Wiki offers for the book of John. There is substantial academic support for the idea that the Catholic Church hired a writer to make the book, and then the church authenticated their own work.

  • Jesus was God in flesh! That's it! There's not 3 Gods or 3 parts of God. Just one and his name is jesus!

  • Well said, Dr Strauss !!!

    Right on !

    God bless you !!!!

  • Jesus is a God but not God the father.He is God the son....There are two in the Gdhead. While on earth he was human and also God( god the son). Before he gives up the ghost he cries to his father.".My God why have you forsaken me"? Therefore he is not the father in flesh if he cries out to his father...

  • Christians, this might make you understand why we find your book so reprehensible. When you read about god ordering stoning for children, those who picked up sticks on sabbath, etc...don't look at it from a distance. Put your self there. You have picked up a stone. You are looking at your victim. Where do you aim your stone? Imagine it flying into his/her body. Imagine the horror and pain on their face. Imagine the stone crashing into their body. Do you see why god is a prick now?

  • Cause of death is minor... Wether it be stoned to death , shot, stabbed, , ran over by a car, cancer, poisoned. IT DONT MATTER to My Eternityy Destination. What matters is... AM I RIGHT WITH GOD to face Judgement.. Children are not DUMB. THey have the ability to CHOOSE right and wrong. Between Evil and Good. GOD decides when it is time for us to die. Given you have such concern means you ought to be out saving lifes? Or even better, help save some SOULS. Salvation from Jesus CHrist.

  • @Zenthor2112

    The law prescribes death for a rebellious child because that is what absolute righteousness requires. Contrast that w/ the parable of the prodigal son in which a father runs to greet his rebellious son & restores him to honour w/ new clothes, new shoes, & a ring (which symbolises new covering, walk, & covenant), as well as a feast.

    So, the law came by Moses, but grace & Truth by Jesus Christ. The law is harsh so we will know what we deserve, but God Is Love, so He gave us Jesus.

  • Christians, this might make you understand why we find your book so reprehensible. When you read about god ordering stoning for children

    no, i dont....b ut thanks for your ignorant obviously interpreted by someone who as never read more than one verse, other than that one.......but Jesus said there would be people like you...so im not surprised..ill pray for ya !! My faith remains strong, as does the millions of other Christians...

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  • Matt 11:27, 12:8, 16:27, 20:28, 24:27-30, 25:31-32, 26:28, 28:18, 20, Mark 14:61-62

    Luke 5:20-21, 7:48-49, 22:69, John 4:25-26, 5:22-23, 6:40, 8:24, 58, 10:17, 28-30, 11:25, 14:6, 17:5

    How can anyone other than the LORD say these things? Jesus was a blasphemer or He was LORD.

    Remember Jesus what Jesus said about who is to be worshiped Matt 4:10, Did Jesus rebuke anyone for worshiping him? Matt 14:33, 28:9, 17, Luke 24:52, John 9:38

  • Jesus is called titles which are reserved for God, the First and the Last, Rev 1:17, 22:13 in light of Isa 41:4, 44:6, 48:12.

    The King of Kings and Lord of Lords Rev 17:14, 19:16 in light of 1 Tim 6:15, Deut 10:17, Ps 136:2,3,

    Ps 27:1, Isa 60:20, Mic 7:8 all call God Light, John 1:7-9, 8:12, 9:32, 46 all call Jesus Light.

    Read Job 9:8 and then see what Jesus did in Matt 14:25 and John 20:30.

  • Gen 1:1-2, Neh 9:6, Job 26:13, 33:4, Ps 102:25, 104:30, 146:3-6, Prov 16:4, Isa. 43:7, 44:24, Mark 4:19, John 1:1-3, Col 1:16. In light of these passages who is the Creator?

  • That dude looks like the Principal from "Ferris Bueller's Day Off"!

  • i find it a bit odd that almost every religious video has the comments censored.

  • haah this guy is always smiling. if you see the dvd The Case for Christ he is always smiling. its funny. =)

  • thats cause he is full of the holy spirit

  • You censor comments? Why are christians afraid?

  • Afraid? lol As I say on my channel "I also filter comments which are spam, vulgar, threats, irrelevant, useless, ads, ridiculous, etc. to keep the threads relevant." Otherwise you'd have thousands of messages to go through, most of which is junk, and no one would want to read it.

  • Why do you care anyway, suckaa?

  • Its facinating that christians have to refute a book of fiction.

  • So true! Truth which is twisted is a deception that goes back to the Garden of Eden. "Did God really say...?" Even Eve got it twisted and misquotes God. Thank God you and I have it all figured out, huh?! :)

  • You didn't get my meaning. Its pathetic that christians have to point out that fiction is fiction. A thinking human wouldn't need the clarification.

  • What is your point? Are you talking about the Da Vinci Code? If so, people don't know what is fact or fiction, that's the whole point. Pathetic?

  • @iamleavingchina How many thinking humans do you know? Humans are easily deceived. Adlof Hitler was able to deceive the entire nation of Germany. Take the lie of the Holy Grail. No Kosher Jew would have brought His cup to the base of the Cross and then tried to catch His blood in it. To contact blood would have made the holder of the cup unclean and unable to participate in the Passover that evening. He would have had to wait 1 month. We are easily deceived and it is right to point out lies.

  • @iamleavingchina

    The problem is that the book is depicted as a fictional work which is based on true historical facts. All of these historical situations in the book are presented as if they are facts.

  • @BauerPower247 They are? When did fictional books become factual and where does the author state he is presenting them as such.

  • @iamleavingchina

    I replied that "...the book is depicted as a fictional work which is BASED ON TRUE HISTORICAL FACTS." It has been years since I read the book, but just read the foreward of his book. Also, Dan Brown has stated in interviews that this work was based on extensive research and that even though the story is fictional, descriptions of artwork, architecture, and historical events are true.

  • @BauerPower247 It doesn't matter what Brown says, Muslims say the Quran is true does that mean it is! Its easy to look up what reality says about the bible and see its fiction just like browns book.

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