I KNOW! i went on to youtube and felt like watching the documentary on jez n mark and then wondered how old they were.....i went onto wikipedia and it turned out hed died the night before :O
Wow! I've always been a fan of Big Mama Thornton, but I have never seen this before. This is a huge find! She sang with some of the best, but never got the recognition she deserved. Willie Mae Thornton was smoking!
@georgener1 Jerry Leiber and Mike Stoller, two white boys out of Los Angeles. They wrote lots of songs for black artists during that time...this song was written for her but then Elvis got his hands on it and it blew up. Big Mama's is the best though. Perfection!
TallRingo: Just wanted to let you know, Mr. Buddy Guy on guitar IS STILL a cool cat!!... Just saw him play again recently!! And he never ceases too amaze me!!!
"proof that elvis was nuthin but a thief" This was filmed years after Presley topped the "black" juke box chart with "Hound Dog," and even more years after Thornton also topped the "black" juke box chart with "Hound Dog," which was written by two Jewish teenagers, Jerry Leiber and Mike Stoller.
"It has since been proven that Elvis' Black chart climb was fake and infact payola." How were the hits Presley had on the "Best-Selling Retail R&B Records" chart fake?
No DJ's from the "Black" stations or listeners remember Elvis' records being played or remember buying the records. So who played it and who bought his records in the numbers it would take to be on the charts. And in books on R&B music of the 50's you don't see it mentioned. Sounds like propaganda to me.
"who bought his records in the numbers it would take to be on the charts." It's a question of whether Billboard faked its R&B best sellers charts. I don't know of any evidence they did, or know who is alleged to have bribed them to do it. RCA Victor? The Everly Brothers had several R&B best sellers listed on Cadence, Buddy Holly had several on Brunswick, Ricky Nelson did on Imperial, Jerry Lee Lewis did on Sun....
There was always a debate whether who was accurate Cashbox or Billboard (you did forget to mention Cashbox)because they both had different results and it's not uncommon for places such as Billboard to lie. Especially when it comes to continuing the myth of Elvis.
"There was always a debate whether who was accurate Cashbox or Billboard"
from googling:
"March 12, 1960. Cash Box combines its pop and r & b charts. In an editorial appearing on the front page of that issue, the magazine justifies this decision by noting... that... the r & b listing was at the time almost ninety percent pop in nature."
Look at the chart listings before that and know it was not pop in nature. Do you know any of the big time R&B singres of 50's??? Then you know they are not pop in nature. Writing that is kind of embarassing.
Please don't play naive about payola. RCA Victor would do such a thing in order to have the "Great White Hope" Elvis was theirs. And the others you mentioned didn't have any real hits either. As I said no DJ's or listeners remember their songs being played. It's in books.
Don't forget Annete Funicello had supposedly posted an R&B hit as well. I had an oldies show and asked the question on air and to several stars of the period about this and no one seems to remember these songs other music historians have stated that it was BS by the labels. Did any of those artists ever work the "Chitlin' circuit" behind those hits?
"other music historians have stated that it was BS by the labels." Okay, who has stated, for instance, that Buddy Holly's success on the R&B best seller chart was BS by Brunswick/Coral/Decca (or his management, or who)? Why did he play "black" theaters?
Oh I figured you would bring that up. The 'Crickets' not Buddy Holly played the Apollo theater. Thear was an R&B group of the same name from the Bronx headed by Dean Barlowe that had a hit a few years earlier. The Buddy Holly Crickets performed, were sued sued and they lost. This forced the name change.
That name change being "Buddy Holly and the Crickets". Buddy Holly was never booked in the Apollo based on his name, your dreaming.
Honestly you refuse to believe that record labels are racist and will do anything to create 'the great white hope'. Paul Whiteman, Benny Goodman, Elvis, The Bee Gees and others have been that hope.
There are may stories of these racist acts it's life and the American way. There is no "WHY" to ask except- Why are you so blind to it? I think I know the answer...
"Honestly you refuse to believe that record labels are racist" No, I believe record companies were often racist in many ways (and haven't said otherwise), I just don't agree with some of your comments, which you don't seem to have much solid evidence for.
I believe I have provided evidence you seem to not want to believe that it happened. DJ's from the period such as Jocko, Jack the Rapper, and Montigue the Magnificent no of them ever remembered Elvis' records being played on "Black" shows of the time period. Neither do any number of the performers.
Here are some books for you to start with: Galen Hart's R&B history series, They All Sang on the Corner by Phil Groia and The Blues People by LeRoi Jones.
Start with these on R&B history as well as speaking with the UGHA people I wrote about earlier.
"The Buddy Holly Crickets performed, were sued and they lost. This forced the name change." Tell me more about this. My understanding is that the "Crickets" name was adopted for a group including Holly _before_ the Apollo.
They were not the first Crickets. Dean Barlowe lead an R&B group of the same name and were recording in 52 and had some success. They were from the Bronx and on MGM records. You should contact United in Group Harmony Association.
You can also buy their records on line as their material has been out for some time.
I got that info from Dean Barlow himself. And again I don't know of any DJ's or performers who performed with him on the Chitlin' Circuit. I have asked them.
Heard the lyrics? Sounds a lot like John Brim's "Rattlesnake". Morris Levy wrote "Why Do Fools Fall in Love?" or did he. In music you'll find that a lot of people claim to 'write' songs but that's not the case.
But when were they realeased? Thorton's "Hound dog" was a hit of 1953. And not 1952. To my knowledge it was recorded on the west coast. Brim's may have been recorded in Chicago because "Rattle Snake" was on one of the Chess labels. So if they didn't record in the same place at the same time why do they lyrically have the same content? Your turn.
Hi Nat1831, you implied that "Hound Dog" might have been based on "Rattlesnake." Do you know of any evidence that it was (other than anything's possible)?
Just for you I will go back over the information on this. And just for the record the term "I belieive" does not mean fact. I still ask the question for which you have not answered which is when were they released. Because Hound dog is listed as a song of 53 and not 52. And the date of Rattlesnake's recording has been varied.
Me like... Essa mulher canta muito...Great female singer! What a voice!!! I can hear her all day long...
hpolastrini 3 weeks ago
big mama and buddy guy, couldnt be better then that
SZNRap 3 months ago
Wow!
mrearlygold 4 months ago
Thumbs up if you wonder how she got her nickname.
alzeNL 4 months ago 2
yes Jerry Lieber wrote is delicious as legendary music!! R.I.P ...
rocky91230 4 months ago
aw man, is she stunning or what! honestly....one of the strongest loudest greatest female voices ive ever heard....shes just fantastic! haha
Smallville357 4 months ago
Love it.
fireandsilver 4 months ago
She was the first to record Hound Dog
mseryecka 4 months ago
RIP Jerry Lieber ....
rocky91230 5 months ago 2
@rocky91230
I KNOW! i went on to youtube and felt like watching the documentary on jez n mark and then wondered how old they were.....i went onto wikipedia and it turned out hed died the night before :O
Smallville357 4 months ago
And bow wow to you too
lloicles 5 months ago
Yes sir...that's how it's done!!!
norm58 5 months ago
i love this song she is great
MrLamontp 5 months ago
Mama's got a brand new bag? what's in it?
digenovafilm 5 months ago
Lieber & Stoller wrote this with Big Mama in mind!
mtobelman 5 months ago
Super!!!
777Portveyn 5 months ago
I like her hat, it maches her shirt
SpearChuck777 6 months ago
@SpearChuck777
And her bag!
callag63 5 months ago
I love this,especially her dance at 0:44
rwnfrd 6 months ago
Is this the same song Elvis recorded, the lyrics in Elvis's Hound Dog sound different?
JamesReadythe5th 7 months ago
Wow! I've always been a fan of Big Mama Thornton, but I have never seen this before. This is a huge find! She sang with some of the best, but never got the recognition she deserved. Willie Mae Thornton was smoking!
carrotjuse 9 months ago
dont get no better,,,,,,
27wingnut 10 months ago 3
This woman could blow
emarshall042002 11 months ago 2
back then they didnt African american songs didnt become famous...until! a white man, sung it...Elvis..
Lecia20 11 months ago
Brillante, el sonido negro en los cimientos de la música rockera actual
mauriciovalenzuelab 11 months ago
Question is who really wrote this
georgener1 11 months ago
@georgener1 Jerry Leiber and Mike Stoller, two white boys out of Los Angeles. They wrote lots of songs for black artists during that time...this song was written for her but then Elvis got his hands on it and it blew up. Big Mama's is the best though. Perfection!
Nola1176 10 months ago 4
The question is who really wrote this.
georgener1 11 months ago
Great Leiber & Stoller stuff! Thanks to Elvis it became worldwide known.
dakarlion1 1 year ago
Awesome. When you see big 300 pound Mama sing this- realize how ELVIS is singing about a MAN- making it a gay song (like 'jailhouse rock!)
peterchoyce 1 year ago 5
@peterchoyce LOL!
buddybopper 1 year ago
When she came out with that bag I knew it was getting down time.
windjammerish 1 year ago 2
Sang that song Big Moma!
tricia618 1 year ago
Type of Work: Music
Registration Number / Date: RE0000059284 / 1980-05-13 Renewal registration for: EU0000287247 / 1952-09-09
Title: Hound dog. Words & music: Don Deadric Robey & Willie Mae Thornton.
Copyright Claimant: Murphy L. Robey (W) & Willie Mae Thornton (A)
Variant title: Hound dog.
Names: Robey, Don Deadric Thornton, Willie Mae Robey, Murphy L.
lovie2000 1 year ago 2
It don't get any better then this.
Cuz This Is It !!!!
Bow Wow.
WhiteBoy41 1 year ago
Never understood what this song's about till i heard Big Mama Thornton sing it.
Elvis' version is just silly.
meltofte 1 year ago
elvis is cat that copied well. this is the real deal. REAL deal.
ginaginn44 1 year ago
I love this arrangement.
porkchop745 1 year ago
OMG! Can she belt out a sound or what? A very unique voice.
ELVIS WAS A PICK-POCKET
tresmamaful 1 year ago 2
It strikes me that there is a lot of Hendrix and Peter Green in his playing at this time. And yes, I know who came first.
avril2 1 year ago
Get it!
mycalling52 1 year ago
great!! can´t say anything more.
0thebigeasy0 2 years ago
...and bow wow to you too.
arjhendrix 2 years ago
I Know, there is another one with 2:35, but this is the better one, sorry
soutltank 2 years ago
Does anyone know when this was recorded?
It feels early sixties.
LuigiLee1961 2 years ago
it was recorded in 1953 - This video was posted before with the date.
withoutporpoise 2 years ago
O mans song,
cheyenne86 3 years ago
Buddy Guy on guitar WAS a cool cat.
TallRingo 3 years ago
TallRingo: Just wanted to let you know, Mr. Buddy Guy on guitar IS STILL a cool cat!!... Just saw him play again recently!! And he never ceases too amaze me!!!
comeinmykitchen 2 years ago
She was so "raw". I love it.
Natasha77571 3 years ago 19
Suck on that Elvis
DawnJake 4 years ago 64
here ye'
deveredw 3 years ago
jajaja :D :D
GranTurihmo 2 years ago
@DawnJake - thanks for making me laugh .
SirSybian 11 months ago
@DawnJake WIN!
antsy89 5 months ago
not bad..not the best I've heard but she's okay.
scarlett24ca 4 years ago
proof that elvis was nuthin but a thief
sf49er 4 years ago
"proof that elvis was nuthin but a thief" This was filmed years after Presley topped the "black" juke box chart with "Hound Dog," and even more years after Thornton also topped the "black" juke box chart with "Hound Dog," which was written by two Jewish teenagers, Jerry Leiber and Mike Stoller.
JosephNScott 4 years ago
It has since been proven that Elvis' Black chart climb was fake and infact payola.
By the way her Hound dog was a hit in 1953. And I believe that the so-called writers didn't really write it.
Nat1831 4 years ago
"It has since been proven that Elvis' Black chart climb was fake and infact payola." How were the hits Presley had on the "Best-Selling Retail R&B Records" chart fake?
JosephNScott 4 years ago
No DJ's from the "Black" stations or listeners remember Elvis' records being played or remember buying the records. So who played it and who bought his records in the numbers it would take to be on the charts. And in books on R&B music of the 50's you don't see it mentioned. Sounds like propaganda to me.
Nat1831 4 years ago
"who bought his records in the numbers it would take to be on the charts." It's a question of whether Billboard faked its R&B best sellers charts. I don't know of any evidence they did, or know who is alleged to have bribed them to do it. RCA Victor? The Everly Brothers had several R&B best sellers listed on Cadence, Buddy Holly had several on Brunswick, Ricky Nelson did on Imperial, Jerry Lee Lewis did on Sun....
JosephNScott 4 years ago
There was always a debate whether who was accurate Cashbox or Billboard (you did forget to mention Cashbox)because they both had different results and it's not uncommon for places such as Billboard to lie. Especially when it comes to continuing the myth of Elvis.
Nat1831 4 years ago
"There was always a debate whether who was accurate Cashbox or Billboard"
from googling:
"March 12, 1960. Cash Box combines its pop and r & b charts. In an editorial appearing on the front page of that issue, the magazine justifies this decision by noting... that... the r & b listing was at the time almost ninety percent pop in nature."
JosephNScott 4 years ago
Look at the chart listings before that and know it was not pop in nature. Do you know any of the big time R&B singres of 50's??? Then you know they are not pop in nature. Writing that is kind of embarassing.
Nat1831 4 years ago
Please don't play naive about payola. RCA Victor would do such a thing in order to have the "Great White Hope" Elvis was theirs. And the others you mentioned didn't have any real hits either. As I said no DJ's or listeners remember their songs being played. It's in books.
Nat1831 4 years ago
Don't forget Annete Funicello had supposedly posted an R&B hit as well. I had an oldies show and asked the question on air and to several stars of the period about this and no one seems to remember these songs other music historians have stated that it was BS by the labels. Did any of those artists ever work the "Chitlin' circuit" behind those hits?
Nat1831 4 years ago
"other music historians have stated that it was BS by the labels." Okay, who has stated, for instance, that Buddy Holly's success on the R&B best seller chart was BS by Brunswick/Coral/Decca (or his management, or who)? Why did he play "black" theaters?
JosephNScott 4 years ago
Oh I figured you would bring that up. The 'Crickets' not Buddy Holly played the Apollo theater. Thear was an R&B group of the same name from the Bronx headed by Dean Barlowe that had a hit a few years earlier. The Buddy Holly Crickets performed, were sued sued and they lost. This forced the name change.
Nat1831 4 years ago
That name change being "Buddy Holly and the Crickets". Buddy Holly was never booked in the Apollo based on his name, your dreaming.
Honestly you refuse to believe that record labels are racist and will do anything to create 'the great white hope'. Paul Whiteman, Benny Goodman, Elvis, The Bee Gees and others have been that hope.
There are may stories of these racist acts it's life and the American way. There is no "WHY" to ask except- Why are you so blind to it? I think I know the answer...
Nat1831 4 years ago
"Honestly you refuse to believe that record labels are racist" No, I believe record companies were often racist in many ways (and haven't said otherwise), I just don't agree with some of your comments, which you don't seem to have much solid evidence for.
JosephNScott 4 years ago
I believe I have provided evidence you seem to not want to believe that it happened. DJ's from the period such as Jocko, Jack the Rapper, and Montigue the Magnificent no of them ever remembered Elvis' records being played on "Black" shows of the time period. Neither do any number of the performers.
How much more evidence do you need.
Nat1831 4 years ago
Here are some books for you to start with: Galen Hart's R&B history series, They All Sang on the Corner by Phil Groia and The Blues People by LeRoi Jones.
Start with these on R&B history as well as speaking with the UGHA people I wrote about earlier.
Of course I know these won't be enough.
Nat1831 4 years ago
Nat he'll probably ask you to read for him.
NatashaK97 4 years ago
"The Buddy Holly Crickets performed, were sued and they lost. This forced the name change." Tell me more about this. My understanding is that the "Crickets" name was adopted for a group including Holly _before_ the Apollo.
JosephNScott 4 years ago
They were not the first Crickets. Dean Barlowe lead an R&B group of the same name and were recording in 52 and had some success. They were from the Bronx and on MGM records. You should contact United in Group Harmony Association.
You can also buy their records on line as their material has been out for some time.
This is why Holly's group was sued and lost.
Nat1831 4 years ago
I got that info from Dean Barlow himself. And again I don't know of any DJ's or performers who performed with him on the Chitlin' Circuit. I have asked them.
Nat1831 4 years ago
Forget it Nat. If it ain't white, it ain't right. How many times do you have to say it and prove it.
Pskov37 4 years ago
"I believe that the so-called writers didn't really write it." Why?
JosephNScott 4 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Heard the lyrics? Sounds a lot like John Brim's "Rattlesnake". Morris Levy wrote "Why Do Fools Fall in Love?" or did he. In music you'll find that a lot of people claim to 'write' songs but that's not the case.
Nat1831 4 years ago
"Sounds a lot like John Brim's 'Rattlesnake'." Thornton's "Hound Dog" was recorded in 8/52, Brim's "Rattlesnake" was recorded in 1/53.
JosephNScott 4 years ago
But when were they realeased? Thorton's "Hound dog" was a hit of 1953. And not 1952. To my knowledge it was recorded on the west coast. Brim's may have been recorded in Chicago because "Rattle Snake" was on one of the Chess labels. So if they didn't record in the same place at the same time why do they lyrically have the same content? Your turn.
Nat1831 4 years ago
Hi Nat1831, you implied that "Hound Dog" might have been based on "Rattlesnake." Do you know of any evidence that it was (other than anything's possible)?
JosephNScott 4 years ago
Just for you I will go back over the information on this. And just for the record the term "I belieive" does not mean fact. I still ask the question for which you have not answered which is when were they released. Because Hound dog is listed as a song of 53 and not 52. And the date of Rattlesnake's recording has been varied.
Nat1831 4 years ago