So, Evid3nc3... First off, just so you won't take this the wrong way, I am an atheist. I live in Sweden, and a vast majority of people here aren't active christians, especially among young people. But what I'd like to ask you is, why did you have such a strong reaction to the part about Judas hanging himself? Surely you must have already known that he hung himself? Or was it just that you hadn't thought about the disconnect between the separate parts of the bible before?
I don't mean any of this as criticism, but - I think it's fascinating that you hadn't read the Bible cover to cover before college. I have a few Christian friends and it's the same with them - even though they've been Christians for 10 or more years, they have little command of the Bible. I would expect religious people to devote themselves to their literature, but for some reason Christians don't do that. Same goes for the questions you pose in this video, Christians don't seem to be curious.
@spudwish It is actually a very interesting topic. I strongly feel that lazyness has a big impact on these people, and it is not like the bible is very interesting from a youths point of view. I got a nonrelated question though: Would a 10 year old read the bible the same way a 20 year old would?
@Mikkerthebhu1 Well, I think the bible would be interesting for youths if they truly believed in the Christian doctrines; youths certainly can focus on things they find interesting, so it's not really a question of age imo. As to your question, one probably reads the bible differently at different stages in life. Not only that, I think Christians read into the Bible things that concern their lives at any moment... Anyway, recall that Jews begin studying their scriptures at age 13 or sooner!
@spudwish I thought the exact same thing when I watched this. It's weird how many christians don't read the bible. You'd think they would read from it almost every day, since they believe it dictates their lives. How are you supposed to have a moral compass etc (for those who believe that without religion there is no moral) if you don't read from the bible?
and for those of you who would say his experience would have been different if he had read the bible through, I read the bible cover to cover several times in my youth, yet still here I am an atheist.
I find it hard to believe that even smart and curious Christians (as you seem to be) could have taken so long to read the bible. If you genuinely believed it to be the best book, the source of all wisdom, why not try to read the damn thing? I think I was about 15 when I read the New Testament and about 100 pages into the Old Testament before I quit that weird stuff. Incidentally, at about the same time I discovered the Dune series, a vastly superior work of fiction. :)
Man! I am grateful for your meticulousness. I have recently become atheist myself and I must say that the journey is almost identical to yours. Dear I say, Bless you!
You have traveled a path and have done so with great seeking and outstanding intelligence. However, you limited your understanding to the Christian way or Atheism. When you just close your eyes and think - you know your not alone. Something has gotten you to this point. Name it what you will. Perhaps you may have found the answer and are now ready to be the prophet? That is the only answer!
This verse describes God telling Moses to speak to Pharaoh since he was adamant in his refusal to release the enslaved Israelites. And God assures Moses that despite the ruler’s firm decision, he will be forced to change his mind.
3:40 How should the statement that God hardened Pharaoh’s heart be understood (knowing that we have free will)? It was the laws of nature, Pharaoh’s own personality, his long-standing wrong-heated habits, his own high concept of self and his dismissal of the worth of other humans that hardened his heart. Pharaoh had been raised to think in such a high-handed manner that he had no second thoughts about behaving cruelly, and it was psychologically difficult for him to act humanly and reasonably.
@cakeliar1 The conflict is simply that if we have free will, then why did God harden Pharaoh's heart, when it might've been the case that Pharaoh, on his own, would've been swayed to let the Hebrew go? Was it so that God could further exact punishment on the Egyptians as a whole? If so, that's immensely cruel and immoral behavior right there. The depiction is that the Pharaoh's mind was changed, by God, into refusing to let the Hebrew free despite the plagues.
Liberal and literal readings of the Bible are opposite and equally incorrect extremes. Your story is common, but sad. I mention some other examples in this video: watch?v=aebSN9c-C6k
Haven't watched the whole series yet....but does the professor you talked about in the video before this one ever find out you have now become atheist? Love the series by the way!
Holy crap, reading some of the comments lowered my IQ significantly. There is absolutely no proof whatsoever that there is no god. And absolutely no proof whatsoever that there is a god. It's time to accept the fact, that simply because something cannot be proven by science does not necessarily mean that it does not exist. Accept the fact that there is ZERO actual, hard evidence, "proof" either way and play nice. For JesusChristBuddhaGhandiJosephSmithZoroasterMoses's sake guys.......
@BenMcMillan20 By that logic we should also accept the existence of faeries, leprechauns, unicorns, the Loch Ness monster, UFOs, a teapot orbiting the sun, etc. We don't say the existence of a or many gods is impossible, we say that the reasonable position is not to believe in something until there is a reasonable amount of evidence for the existence of said things.
Your entire "case" lies on pure random chance, there is no facts to back up your claims, or even mathematical, or scientific methods. The chance that your God is real, while the other thousands of Gods are not, is slim to say the least, and if you are going to be spewing this crap all around, expect a response.
Maybe you should study why atheism is getting so popular, and why religion is one of the main things holding back humanity as a whole from progressing.
@NeutralExistence Very well said, mate. Religion has plagued humanity for too long, and we as a species are finally waking up to reality. These angry believers are simply afraid that their numbers are diminishing like a pile of wilted leaves in the wind.
Yes, the attacks on evolution seem to be coming out of the woodwork lately. Crazies cant see a simple fact of nature that goes on in front of them all the time, I wonder what they think selective breeding among dogs is. We have "forced" evolution on many different animals in our domestication of several species, the cow is another glaring example, unless the creationists think modern day cows ran around in Europe thousands of years ago, if they can even run.
If I understand you correctly, you used to think that god was contained in some book? then got disillusioned when you found the book was revised, and had more authors than they said in church? so you gave up and started hanging out with the liberals who promote anti-church and anti-god activities? just to make it clear, is that right?
@909pleasantville ...No...did you not bother watching the rest of the series? Evid3nc3's videos show he believed in God and indeed Christianity for MANY reasons. The Bible was just one of the resons He believed in the inerrancy of the bible, the perfection of the bible, that the bible was A proof that Christianity was right. He felt God was an outside source that filled people with the Holy spirit to help recognize his will. Ar discovering the Bible was in no way perfect, that one part changed.
a) don't steal wives (though it was his half sister some say, or even sister in faith)
b) no one has free will. You question against God's signs, God will temporal lobe insensitize you. The Egyptians killed the hebrews first born... what about that? What nonsense, this guy didn't read anything.
I love the dramatic emphasis of 7:15 ! That describes perfectly, exactly how I was impacted when I started to realize for the first time in my life that the Bible, the beloved book on which I was raised on, the Holy book I had studied, had won multiple biblical competitions with, had been my guide since I was born and raised by my parents... was NOT the pure, immaculate source of Truth I always thought it was!!
@skepticlogician When I saw that moment it freaked me out so badly... I was watching it at about 3 in the morning in my basement and shortly after I couldn't be alone anymore cause I was having what I can only describe as a delusional paranoia attack, like the demons of my childhood nightmares were coming for me. I turned my computer off and had to crawl in bed with the wife.
@spook79 I absolutely relate to that too!!! The impact of that moment in the video was sending me that direction too in a very strange way!! Psychological and bizarre! Again, the result of a very well created video!
im a young athiest who hasnt read the bible yet. i was actuley about to try it out because even if it is just a story book the idea of floods,talking snakes and egyptian magic made it seem like it would be an interesting fantasy book. after hearing about numbers,deuteronimy and leviticus though the bible just sounds boring. should i still read it or just find some other book.
@Jerry0Thomas You have NO idea how annoying that is. You're like the people who run around going, "Read John 3:16! It's all you need to know!"
Has it not occurred to you, and people like you, that we may have indeed READ these passages? That a passage talking about how Jesus is the truth is not very impressive, when so many verses show this to not be the case?
@Jerry0Thomas I do understand it. The bible is a mediocre piece of classical mythological literature reflecting the beliefs of bronze age goat herders.
@Jerry0Thomas It's what evidence tell me. Have you never heard f all the research done into HOW the bible was constructed? It was ritten by men, and voted on by men, on which books to include in the new testament. It's also a shitty read.
You captured so well the feeling of realizing things in the Bible just didn't add up. I've never been so sucked into a story. This is so well done. I absolutely love this series.
So let me get this straight, because acts and mathew were written by two different people, and their stories while they work together, were not exactly the same, your faith was shattered? Man, i would hate to see you in court. Also, no where does it say that Judas died due to God's Wraith, that was your own thinking. No where in there does it say God's wraith killed him.
If yo think the OT is not the same as the NT, that shows major lack of understanding as just about everything, including the laws is covered and explained in the NT. Even salvation didn't change. Sacrfice, washing of blood, and communing with god. That is how the OT outlined it, then Jesus died, we use his blood, wash in a baptism, and commune with God. Amazing how the salvation plan mirrored OT, yet he says there is no relation between the two?
I read the OT first then the NT and saw jesus contradict what went before so just...rejected jesus and kept the OT. I rejected jesus before i even believed really, then focussed on OT god. jew style! then fear kept me believing in that psychopath ._. i never finished the paul stuff
The Abraham three-peat wife-sister parable, which also occurs in the Vedic story of Brahma and his wife-sister Saraswati, is a re-write of the three acts of creation by incest in the Heliopolitan Ennead creation myth, which is why it makes little sense in the Biblical version. In other words, both Ab-Ra-ham and B-ra-hma are “father Ra son of Nun”, etymologically. This fact takes a while to track down.
in one of the avraham & sara stories (they did it 2x - profiting from it both times), did you also happen to notice that god wanted to kill avimelech for 'going into sara'? til avimelech told god he didn't do it, to which god responds 'i know, i kept you from doing it'?
most people take the story as someone tells it to them, but if you read it, you find that super-weird twist
more twists - they were siblings, and breaking the law & avraham caused his sister/ wife to commit adultery
I really wanted to believe you were a Christian that for some wierd reason turned into a Atheist, becuase if you were, helping you get out of your trouble would be easer, how ever, your comments about your Christian life shows that you had little understanding of what been a Christian was, and i thought, well maybe he didn't have good teachers, maybe hes religion was not very strong. However, if you were to had a christian life, you should have gone to at least to CATECHISM, so if you only
@DavidEloySaenz learned about the death of the first born, and the exodus of Israel from Egypt and about Abraham's wife after you turned 20.... there's no way you were a Christian all your life, I can understand that you have read the Bible, but i doubt you have been a truly practicing Christian most of your life before turning into an atheist.That makes explain all your miss conceptions about been Christian, but i have new for you God loves you and wants nothing but your salvation!
@DavidEloySaenz As a ex muslim I get the same comments from regarding me leaving the faith. 'You didn't know enough', 'you followed the wrong interpretations', 'you weren't a true believer'. Like the creator of this series pointed out - and shows - the belief in Christianity is a mega-belief propped up by many beliefs. The belief in the infallibility and divinity of the bible was a supporting belief, just like the Quran was for me. Think of all the things that you believe support Christianity
excellent video again. the bible was the first thing for me. i realised one day, somehow, that before i could have faith in god, i had to have faith in the bible. this was one of the more tangible discrepencies. the explanation i heard was that he hung himself, then the rope broke! of course he then fell down to the ground, where his intestines burst out. apparently, if you go to israel today....... there's a cliff with a tree right on the edge, which must be where judas died.......
@eyallev does not understand. No one goes to hell for any sin...no matter how good or bad their lives were. One goes to hell for only 1 sin, blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, which is the ONLY reason anyone goes to hell. That 1 sin is rejecting the finished work of Jesus Christ for the remission of their sins. ALL sins have been paid for by Jesus. The Holy Spirit convicts the world of sin. If one rejects Christ, one is calling the H.S. a liar = blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. pm me 4 more
@KJVWordofGod I'll PM you for more, but for thyis public discussion, what you are saying is that if I go to hell, it's only because I rejceted jesus and what he did. what if, I never heard of jesus? than I wouldn't be guilty of blasphemy, and so, by teaching me about jesus, you (or anyone else) is opening the door for me to go to hell; for that, I've got nothing to say except, THANK YOU.
Did you not listen to what Chris said in this video? In that same story, God supposedly punishes the person who was lied to. You can't explain away this problem as simply reporting "facts" as they happen without necessarily sanctioning the behavior of the characters.
@ThatGuyWithHippyHair "God supposedly punishes the person who was lied to" Please do not waste my time unless you read it yourself, God did not have to punish the king of Gerar, for the simple fact that he returned Abraham's wife back to him without ever touching her. Thus God reversed his judgment. You do not have to be a Christian to understand something so simple.
@outbackcafe Will It never says that god reverse his judgement. All it say is that Pharaoh ask Abraham why didn't he say she was his wife and for him to take his wife back and leave with his belongings.
@zune145 Whether Genesis 12 or 20 the story is very similar. In each case Abraham's wife was returned. The nature of God is to forgive people their sins, but they must be repentant. Another way to look at this is found in proverbs 14:6 'The LORD works out everything for his own ends--even the wicked for a day of disaster'. In other words God can kill two birds with one stone. Such is the wonder of God.
I'd bet all the money I have that at least four fifths of all Christians haven't actually read the Bible. Those who do either accept far-fetched explanations for contradictions like the one described in this video, or become atheists.
It always puzzles me when I hear an ex-Christian say that they finally discovered a problem (eg: the contradictory stories of the death of Judas) that brought them to a crisis of faith. In your video you give the impression that you had read the version in Acts, but the version in Matthew 27 caught you by surprise! Had you never read Matthew before? If not, how were you able to convince yourself that you were a bible believing Christian?
@vincent4169 So if i convince enough people that i'm the new messiah, and they believe this, it doesn't matter if it's the dumbest of all lies, if they have faith in it, it's all they will ever need.... THanks for the info, i'm gonna go and begin building my own theocratic empire.....
I was hoping to reserve my judgment until i watched all his videos but the more i listened the more i realized this guy was not ever saved, also it appears he has read the bible as a skeptic and not a believer, whenever i read any troubling passages in the bible i go to any apologist site and they have excellent answers, why did he not do this? obvious never a a real christian
@KnightOneDark "He did go to apologist sites. " He complained about Abraham, and how he asked his wife to conceal the fact that they were married, Abraham was afraid he would be killed. But if you read on, the king later on discovered that this extremely beautiful women was actually his wife and not his sister.
The bible simply reports facts as they happened but does not support! Any normal person would know that!
It does not say "go and do likewise" this video failed big time!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@outbackcafe yeah, you can tell from his story that it sounds like he started learning from non-Christians without continuing his learning from Christians. He put academics above god, and thus only got to hear one side of the argument while relying on his own mental ability to support the other side, when really he should have taken any troubling evidence to a christian website or something like that. The fact he has yet to mention this, makes me think the same thing as you.
@bluefootedpig It is easy for bank tellers to spot counterfeit notes because they handle real money. Real Christians can easily spot the fakes because we handle the real thing. At 1:45 this fake christian complains about Abraham lieing about his wife Sarah. When in fact he did not lie, and even if he did lie that itself proves nothing. He claimed to be reading the bible page for page, if that was really true then only a few verses later Abraham says "besides she really is my sister" Gen 20:12
@MrG0dbar Thanks for sharing that bit of garbage, think you need to take a IQ test, with comments like that your brain must be ready to explode. Give yourself a pat on the back, Genius!
@outbackcafe It has as much validity as your "real Christians" circular logic clusterfuck, whereby you can deny "true Christianhood" to anyone who doesn't fit whatever criteria you find convenient for your purpose. Indeed, if a perfect interpretation of the Bible is requisite for "real Christianity" there are very few "real" Christians in this world, which begs the question of why a so-called benevolent God would arbitrarily send so many billions of his own children to eternal suffering in hell.
Good work on the vid...... But you got hung up with yeast and missed out on all the genocide,slavery and rape I didnt get past that. And the Judas bit was nice but the whole all 4 books couldnt agree on the events surrounding Jesuses birth and death well that seems a bit more glaring...
You're story is an inspiration. The fact that you took all this time to narrate your journey from belief to atheism shows how sincere you are with your convictions. As an atheist, it is very inspiring to see someone that is as dedicated to finding truth as myself. My journey from Christianity to Atheism was very similar, and my peers still don't accept me for it. Videos like this show me that I'm not crazy, and give me the courage to hold my beliefs no matter how intimidating religions can be.
I can answer that. That's because the Bible has been a source of division and hatred for thousands of years. It has given people an excuse to promote division socially and politically for thousands of years, and is an evil vice. People that get their morality from this book seem to be overlooking the verses which specify stoning to death daughters who aren't virgins on their wedding day, or verses where children are sold into slavery. RELIGION POISIONS EVERYTHING!!
Friend, again, your video is well done but it is obvious to anybody with an education in hermeneutics and theology that your rationale is is flawed. Abraham was a flawed man just like any other man. The fact that he had God on his side is completely irrelevant to the fact that trusting in ones own judgment instead of Gods will is a major theme in the Bible and fits perfectly with the Abraham story. This is jut one of many mistakes you made. God bless.
@JackDavid6405 I do not have the patience or room on youtube to go into a proper exegesis on the Torah. I suggest you read the writings of Rashi, RAMBAM and RAMBAN. These three are arguably the most influential ancient Jewish sages and their commentaries on the Torah are universally accepted. The person who made this video is in an unfortunate situation of having a very skewed view of who the Judeo-Christian God and his reasons for leaving the faith are a product of ignorance not rationale.
"Doesn't change the fact that God punished Pharaoh for something he didn't know."
forget Pharaoh...I remember being a kid and freaked out at the Moses story. The KIDS were killed because Pharaoh was either a. controlled by god or b. screwed up himself.
the christian apologists try to explain that...but are basically "cool" with a god who killed a bunch of kids over something the leader did. what a sick being to worship.
The Bible says correctly that the heart is decietful above all things. You seem to have attributed more things to the Holy Spirit than were really from it. Also, "those who diligently seek (wisdom) will find me." Proverbs 8:17b The Bible is full of deep things and deep things require the greatest amount of work to understand.
When I was in a private school, I read the passage with the "G-d hardened Pharoah's heart" and then the plagues came... after that, I guess I started to question my faith since then since those books were written long ago. I still don't get why G-d would cause something to happen as part of his "great plan" on the poor Pharoah >_<;
I read the Bible cover to cover and agree. There was one scene where a prophet is walking home and told not to go the same way home, but someone lies to him saying the Lord said it was ok and convinces him to and he gets eaten by a lion.
Whether or not the stories in the old testament were wrong or right, contrary to the new testament, it was different back then... That is why it is a new covenant of the spirit in the new testament. But also the way it is written leaves out intentions.
The Bible, the Quran and the Vedas were written by some sheep/goat herding morons of the stone age. What else would you expect other than a bunch of self-contradicting rubbish ?
Thank you so much for sharing your experience with the world. Formerly religious myself, I too had many problems with the entire concept of Judas, not the least of which is the dissonance between Acts and Matthew. I found Judas' shift from closest confidante and best friend to Jesus, and his subsequent betrayal in lieu of greed to be problematic. The Gospel of Judas has set this right, however. I also find it interesting that of all the gospels, only 4 are in the Bible. Selective propaganda?
I find the apologist's explanation to be rather unsatisfactory. In my mind, the more likely scenario would be that God had not punished Judas in the New Testament story because he had felt remorse for his actions and tried to make things right.
I'm a former Christian (now agnostic atheist), but I can say that this bit would not have convinced me. (Great series though, I agree with many of the other points.)
Even if the apologetics were right that Judas hung himself and then God made his guts explode, why did God even bother doing something so repulsive? Judas already hung himself-he was already dead.
@gamesbok Group death is way less sensitive to the human psyche, then single and/or personal death, save life-long friend or 3 sanitation worker's from a warehouse(that you don't know)?. We are naturally selfish and the fact that "judas" has a name, really burden's an individual's sensitivity. "judas" also highly interacted with the key person he believed in and loved "jesus". So it's understandable. Read up on some psychology.
@buktomsin As Stalin said, 'The death of a man is a tragedy, the death of a million is a statistic.' Fleming, in writing the Bond books would introduce technical details, the specification of guns, the vintage of a wine, to increase the personal connection of the reader with the plot. Never-the-less I was shocked by Numbers 31. but Mathew left me unmoved, or rather unconvinced. Rather than me studying psychology perhaps psychology should study me.
@gamesbok Yea thats many outlooks but as a christian your forwarded to NT automatically because they already know the evil of the OT. His point in feeling's still stands.
@gamesbok Also when i was a christian it was extraordinarily rare that a fellow christian new much or even read the OT. It really is true though Atheist's read the bible, on average, more than christian theist's.
The "How did Judas die?" contradiction was the first one I found also, in an attempt to read the Bible over 10 years ago, and listening to what happened to you because of that realization was like listening to what happened in my own heart at that time. THANK YOU for posting this. It's comforting to hear that others have experienced the same journey, not because they were angry with God or being rebellious, but because they were genuinely trying to know God better (as I was).
I watched a few of your videos of your journey from faith, and my heart is saddened for your loss. You allowed yourself to listen to to the lies and games of the enemy in regards to the things of your faith and followed him down a deadly path. My condolences. I'm being serious, not sarcastic of facetious.
@buktomsin My comment was a challenge to his feelings at any point in time, it was just a comment. If calling me names makes you feel better, then I feel sorry for you. Hope you find someting in life that makes you feel better but doesn't attack anyone else who expresses their opinion.
The story of Judas' death was one of the first signs I discovered that those who meant to indoctrinate me into Christianity were often themselves unaware of what exactly they were teaching. I was 10, and was snapped at in what had formerly been a friendly Sunday school class for asking questions about this conflict. It was the sudden change in demeanor that started me questioning my beliefs. Within 6 years I left the church. I'm sad to say that it took nearly 20 more for me to accept the truth.
When you tried to read the entire bible, you did it without guidance. The fact that you were dismayed by the few books of law in the early part of the Bible then gave up and skipped the majority of the Old Testament shows how your church did not prepare you for studying scripture. You missed out on all of the poetic verses and the prophetic verses that proved that Jesus was God. Your inability to complete the Old Testament demonstrates just how poor of a Christian you must have been.
(Continued) A person such as you who tested God from the beginning and doubted repeatedly was very vulnerable to Satan's tactics in the Pentecostal faith. And when you found your first apparent contradiction, your faith was destroyed. You were a gonner long before you went on this journey, because your Pentecostal church did not prepare you.
It seems a near-constant in de-conversion stories is the desire to understand your religion by actually reading the bible. As soon as you said it I smiled! In my experience and from what I've heard from others, this is the point of no return for many people. Sitting down and reading the actual text is often the defining moment separating a path within religion leading toward knowledge and the path toward knowledge leading away from religion.
@KateIncognita Interesting. It had the opposite affect for me. The moment I began to study scripture is the moment when I realized the brilliance of God and the words contained within the Bible.
Yes, of course. The one and only inerrant word of God should only be read by scholars not lowly peasants. If God knows everything then he should have inspired the Biblical writers to write a version to guide all his children, you shouldn't need to be "prepared." The fact that Christianity has split into so many sects because of disagreement on scripture is representative of how non-inerrant it is.
Another great story involving the story of Judas was in the Russian novel "The Master and Magerita" where one of the characters gives a "true" account to the story through a novel. In the story Judas had a lover who he wanted to get the money for. Instead of dieing through guilt or god's wrath he was stabbed on the street by thugs working for Pilate. When the thugs came to him he said that he could of go away and committed suicide. Even thou it manly entertainment it is nice to see another side
First of all, thank you for sharing your story. Second of all, oh man, all I can think of is how fantastic you are at storytelling and how intensely I want you to become an author. I got chills when you started talking about paint peeling to reveal emptiness.
You do know who wrote Acts was Luke. In fact Acts is a letter to his friend Theophilus. The Gospel of Luke does not have the account of what Judas Iscariot did after he betrayed Jesus. So we are to assume that Luke didn't have all the details of what really happen. or like what alot of Bible passages have are double meanings. The way Judas felt guilt is like his intestines exploded. Guilt so strong and powerful can make one feel like they want to explode. He fell headlong is remorse. To fall.
I really think that the old testament was just a test. Everything God does is a test. Though he knows the outcome, we ourselves must experience what is given so that we can learn. That is why there are these rules and regulations. Remember it was just the Israelites at the time. They were his Chosen people. Everyone else really didn't matter. My guess is he only wanted to focus on a small group of people first. Then they rebelled time after time. The old testament is the story of what not to do.
mudane details or as the military has taught me, true obedience is paying attention to detail. I am actually more of a pig picture kind of guy. I skim over the detail and try to see what's really important.
reading the bible from cover to cover is rough. Numbers, Deuteronomy, Corinthians, Isaiah, all prophets can get very boring quickly. The Books written by the Apostles, are books I find more interesting. Once you go over them once and are taught or learn the meanings of the verses, it's not so bad. I love the Book of Isaiah, it is all prophecy that has double meanings to them.
@Evid3nc3 "the bible [was] no longer the clear word of god that flowed straight from his mind to my mind. it suddenly required the intervention of outside sources to rescue it from being misunderstood. it could no longer stand on its own." brilliant quote, you hit it dead on for me. that was one of the major things that led to my own deconversion last summer. thanks for these videos, they are helping me to accurately think about my own experience and not skew it with my new beliefs. :)
Thank you so very much for this series...it really does bring tears to my eyes - your story is just too similar to mine, I guess. :) But, now I can share your videos with those who ask me about my journey, pointing out differences, but reinforcing that overall, it was the search for truth that got me where I am.
Thank you for the immense time you must have put into these videos, it's nice to hear from someone who has had a similar journey as me. The Judas conflict you describe was one of the critical conflicts that also led me to step away from my faith after 27 years of it.
Just to clarify, both Abram and his wife were punished. Abram had his wife taken away against his will. As a married man this would have devistated me. Sara was forced to be removed from her husband and be with another man. Is that not punishment enough? I find some of your arguements to be based on a false premis or perhaps lack of understanding. I, like you, have an incomplete understanding of everything in the bible. I am sure that I (perhaps we) will gain a better understanding in time. GBY
The BIBLE is the MARK of the BEAST! Constantine (1st beast) legalized Christianity and had 50 bibles compiled. King James, homo (2nd beast) 666 # of a man, born 1566, 6th of Scotland, authorized 66 book bible, image of God's word, carried in your hand, memorized in your head, made to speak (the bible says) and is used as an object of worship. Your faith will fail.
@BIBLEisMARKofBEAST no, the Bible contains the Word of God....why would the beast (catholic church) kill millions to keep them from reading it if it was evil???? they killed to suppress life and blessings from the Father-- hence the pope is always the anticrhist
@TheSpydermunkee The catholic church kept the bible from the people to have power over them. That's why you pay a lawyer a big fee for his knowledge. King James authorized the bible to keep power over the people. One of his heads was wounded to death, King James healed his deadly wound. The most ignorant people in the world are protestants, they were looking for a book instead of the Holy Ghost. You have eaten the little book, your belly is bitter and you've wasted your life controlled by a book
abraham existed before Christ, and Exodus- even Moses questioined God-but Christ was the ultimate sign to trust in Him, for he has not come back since-the Messiah is ultimate reassurance, that those of the old testaments were unprivlaged to know..do you not see Satan all around us? in your 'doubtfulness' you have forgotten to sharpen your sword against satan/ remorse would be not committing suicide and asking for forgiveness! in your search for God, do not forget SATAN! satanconvertedme2christ
you are an amazing soul... thankyou for expressing your truth
simplegrl11589 8 hours ago in playlist Why I am no longer a Christian
So, Evid3nc3... First off, just so you won't take this the wrong way, I am an atheist. I live in Sweden, and a vast majority of people here aren't active christians, especially among young people. But what I'd like to ask you is, why did you have such a strong reaction to the part about Judas hanging himself? Surely you must have already known that he hung himself? Or was it just that you hadn't thought about the disconnect between the separate parts of the bible before?
Zoidypoo89 5 days ago in playlist Why I am no longer a Christian
I don't mean any of this as criticism, but - I think it's fascinating that you hadn't read the Bible cover to cover before college. I have a few Christian friends and it's the same with them - even though they've been Christians for 10 or more years, they have little command of the Bible. I would expect religious people to devote themselves to their literature, but for some reason Christians don't do that. Same goes for the questions you pose in this video, Christians don't seem to be curious.
spudwish 1 week ago in playlist Why I am no longer a Christian
@spudwish It is actually a very interesting topic. I strongly feel that lazyness has a big impact on these people, and it is not like the bible is very interesting from a youths point of view. I got a nonrelated question though: Would a 10 year old read the bible the same way a 20 year old would?
Mikkerthebhu1 1 week ago in playlist Why I am no longer a Christian
@Mikkerthebhu1 Well, I think the bible would be interesting for youths if they truly believed in the Christian doctrines; youths certainly can focus on things they find interesting, so it's not really a question of age imo. As to your question, one probably reads the bible differently at different stages in life. Not only that, I think Christians read into the Bible things that concern their lives at any moment... Anyway, recall that Jews begin studying their scriptures at age 13 or sooner!
spudwish 1 week ago
@spudwish I thought the exact same thing when I watched this. It's weird how many christians don't read the bible. You'd think they would read from it almost every day, since they believe it dictates their lives. How are you supposed to have a moral compass etc (for those who believe that without religion there is no moral) if you don't read from the bible?
Zoidypoo89 5 days ago in playlist Why I am no longer a Christian
and for those of you who would say his experience would have been different if he had read the bible through, I read the bible cover to cover several times in my youth, yet still here I am an atheist.
MultiWafflemaster 1 week ago
I find it hard to believe that even smart and curious Christians (as you seem to be) could have taken so long to read the bible. If you genuinely believed it to be the best book, the source of all wisdom, why not try to read the damn thing? I think I was about 15 when I read the New Testament and about 100 pages into the Old Testament before I quit that weird stuff. Incidentally, at about the same time I discovered the Dune series, a vastly superior work of fiction. :)
AlexandruSD 3 weeks ago in playlist Why I am no longer a Christian
@AlexandruSD Lols
bloodrocker2 2 weeks ago
Man! I am grateful for your meticulousness. I have recently become atheist myself and I must say that the journey is almost identical to yours. Dear I say, Bless you!
KDN888 3 weeks ago in playlist More videos from Evid3nc3
You have traveled a path and have done so with great seeking and outstanding intelligence. However, you limited your understanding to the Christian way or Atheism. When you just close your eyes and think - you know your not alone. Something has gotten you to this point. Name it what you will. Perhaps you may have found the answer and are now ready to be the prophet? That is the only answer!
CAPTUREANDCREATE 3 weeks ago in playlist Why I am no longer a Christian
This verse describes God telling Moses to speak to Pharaoh since he was adamant in his refusal to release the enslaved Israelites. And God assures Moses that despite the ruler’s firm decision, he will be forced to change his mind.
cakeliar1 3 weeks ago
3:40 How should the statement that God hardened Pharaoh’s heart be understood (knowing that we have free will)? It was the laws of nature, Pharaoh’s own personality, his long-standing wrong-heated habits, his own high concept of self and his dismissal of the worth of other humans that hardened his heart. Pharaoh had been raised to think in such a high-handed manner that he had no second thoughts about behaving cruelly, and it was psychologically difficult for him to act humanly and reasonably.
cakeliar1 3 weeks ago
@cakeliar1 The conflict is simply that if we have free will, then why did God harden Pharaoh's heart, when it might've been the case that Pharaoh, on his own, would've been swayed to let the Hebrew go? Was it so that God could further exact punishment on the Egyptians as a whole? If so, that's immensely cruel and immoral behavior right there. The depiction is that the Pharaoh's mind was changed, by God, into refusing to let the Hebrew free despite the plagues.
skitchmusic 3 weeks ago in playlist Why I am no longer a Christian
Liberal and literal readings of the Bible are opposite and equally incorrect extremes. Your story is common, but sad. I mention some other examples in this video: watch?v=aebSN9c-C6k
See also: watch?v=86n0eZJGQfY
misterD418 3 weeks ago
@misterD418 Do you have evidence to support this claim?
SobolewskiKing 3 days ago in playlist Why I am no longer a Christian
Haven't watched the whole series yet....but does the professor you talked about in the video before this one ever find out you have now become atheist? Love the series by the way!
killsarawr 1 month ago
Just me or does his voice sound slightly robotic?
Raymond0412Tube 1 month ago
dude, what... i got chills at like 7:30....freaked me out dude.
JymzJameson 1 month ago in playlist Why I am no longer a Christian
take note: Matthew 27:5 and Acts 1:18 are a great way to confuse Christians and really mess with their heads..
DustinLT1985 1 month ago
@BenMcMillan20 "No proof there is no God" Sure there is, just depends which God we're talking about.
BlueMajic100 1 month ago
@auskudestroy The two different accounts of Judas death are contradictory. That's the main thing here
BlueMajic100 1 month ago
Yeap the Bible is silly and contradicts itself...It rocked my world to find that out just like you.
DrunknShooter 1 month ago
Holy crap, reading some of the comments lowered my IQ significantly. There is absolutely no proof whatsoever that there is no god. And absolutely no proof whatsoever that there is a god. It's time to accept the fact, that simply because something cannot be proven by science does not necessarily mean that it does not exist. Accept the fact that there is ZERO actual, hard evidence, "proof" either way and play nice. For JesusChristBuddhaGhandiJosephSmithZoroasterMoses's sake guys.......
BenMcMillan20 1 month ago in playlist Why I am no longer a Christian
@BenMcMillan20 By that logic we should also accept the existence of faeries, leprechauns, unicorns, the Loch Ness monster, UFOs, a teapot orbiting the sun, etc. We don't say the existence of a or many gods is impossible, we say that the reasonable position is not to believe in something until there is a reasonable amount of evidence for the existence of said things.
daSchoof 1 month ago
@daSchoof i love ur comments. brilliant.
cocoman12345678910 4 weeks ago in playlist Why I am no longer a Christian
@cocoman12345678910 Holy crap, a compliment on Youtube!
Thanks friend, always nice to hear. :)
daSchoof 4 weeks ago
@daSchoof no problem. im glad someone actually realises how bad religion is.
cocoman12345678910 4 weeks ago
@Evid3nc3
Case study: An omnipotent God exist and the bible is true.
You say that there were details in the Bible that you found unnecessary and contradictions.
YOU CAN NEVER COMPREHEND GOD ON EARTH, maybe only after death.
You don't know the morally bad background of the Pharaoh.
You are simply not as intelligent and wise as GOD, so you CAN NOT judge him.
Therefor YOUR JUDGEMENT IS FALSE!
auskudestroy 1 month ago in playlist Why I am no longer a Christian
@auskudestroy
Circular argument is circular....
You can never comprehend "insert deity here" on earth!!!
You don't know the morally bad background of "insert people here".
You are simply not intelligent and wise as "insert deity here", so you cannot judge "him/her" (lets not be sexist now).
Therefor your judgment is false!
See how that works, its like mad-libs for the extra stupid.
NeutralExistence 1 month ago
@NeutralExistence
What is circular about this argument? It's a case study.
auskudestroy 1 month ago
@auskudestroy
Case study: An omnipotent God exist
Question: Is the Bible wrong?
You say that there were details in the Bible that you found unnecessary and contradictions.
YOU CAN NEVER COMPREHEND GOD ON EARTH, maybe only after death.
You don't know the morally bad background of the Pharaoh.
You are simply not as intelligent and wise as GOD, so you CAN NOT judge him.
Therefor the Bible is not wrong.
Now It is better
auskudestroy 1 month ago
@auskudestroy
Your entire "case" lies on pure random chance, there is no facts to back up your claims, or even mathematical, or scientific methods. The chance that your God is real, while the other thousands of Gods are not, is slim to say the least, and if you are going to be spewing this crap all around, expect a response.
Maybe you should study why atheism is getting so popular, and why religion is one of the main things holding back humanity as a whole from progressing.
NeutralExistence 1 month ago 9
@NeutralExistence Very well said, mate. Religion has plagued humanity for too long, and we as a species are finally waking up to reality. These angry believers are simply afraid that their numbers are diminishing like a pile of wilted leaves in the wind.
bootneckbonz 1 month ago
@bootneckbonz
Yes, the attacks on evolution seem to be coming out of the woodwork lately. Crazies cant see a simple fact of nature that goes on in front of them all the time, I wonder what they think selective breeding among dogs is. We have "forced" evolution on many different animals in our domestication of several species, the cow is another glaring example, unless the creationists think modern day cows ran around in Europe thousands of years ago, if they can even run.
NeutralExistence 1 month ago
That moment at 7:17 was scary as hell! So sudden and unexpected, seriously...
Never realized how interesting a story could be just with this format. The music, the text, images... again, amazingly well done.
cordlc 3 months ago
The bible was not intended to be the only source of knowledge.
At that time there were many 'gospels' but not all of them were correct.
How would a christian know what to believe and what not to believe.
The church gathered and choose the books which were to be canonized.
It is important to have both tradition and the bible. The bible cannot stand alone.
Sola scripture is an incorrect principle since the bible alone does not confirm it.
CommuninisimVsPope 3 months ago
If I understand you correctly, you used to think that god was contained in some book? then got disillusioned when you found the book was revised, and had more authors than they said in church? so you gave up and started hanging out with the liberals who promote anti-church and anti-god activities? just to make it clear, is that right?
909pleasantville 3 months ago
@909pleasantville ...No...did you not bother watching the rest of the series? Evid3nc3's videos show he believed in God and indeed Christianity for MANY reasons. The Bible was just one of the resons He believed in the inerrancy of the bible, the perfection of the bible, that the bible was A proof that Christianity was right. He felt God was an outside source that filled people with the Holy spirit to help recognize his will. Ar discovering the Bible was in no way perfect, that one part changed.
BigLundi 3 months ago in playlist evid3nce's deconversation series
Typical... a herodian worshipper of Paul. Those kinds always enjoy jumping into the pit of tyranny.
4:30 - CHEMISTRY! Plenty of mundainity.
... Jesus made it clear, he didn't come for the gentile dogs who would have no use for any bread. What a waste.
faro0485 4 months ago
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a) don't steal wives (though it was his half sister some say, or even sister in faith)
b) no one has free will. You question against God's signs, God will temporal lobe insensitize you. The Egyptians killed the hebrews first born... what about that? What nonsense, this guy didn't read anything.
faro0485 4 months ago
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.... Jesus did not come to the dogs, and this guy was one such dog. The book was wasted on him.
faro0485 4 months ago
Love the series! What's the name of the music that plays throughout?
SuperDayv 4 months ago in playlist More videos from Evid3nc3
I love the dramatic emphasis of 7:15 ! That describes perfectly, exactly how I was impacted when I started to realize for the first time in my life that the Bible, the beloved book on which I was raised on, the Holy book I had studied, had won multiple biblical competitions with, had been my guide since I was born and raised by my parents... was NOT the pure, immaculate source of Truth I always thought it was!!
Excelent work!!
skepticlogician 4 months ago
@skepticlogician When I saw that moment it freaked me out so badly... I was watching it at about 3 in the morning in my basement and shortly after I couldn't be alone anymore cause I was having what I can only describe as a delusional paranoia attack, like the demons of my childhood nightmares were coming for me. I turned my computer off and had to crawl in bed with the wife.
spook79 3 months ago
@spook79 I absolutely relate to that too!!! The impact of that moment in the video was sending me that direction too in a very strange way!! Psychological and bizarre! Again, the result of a very well created video!
skepticlogician 3 months ago
51 members of the Westboro babtist church accidently clicked on this video
vohshkab 4 months ago
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@vohshkab I'm not a member of such a church.
faro0485 4 months ago
im a young athiest who hasnt read the bible yet. i was actuley about to try it out because even if it is just a story book the idea of floods,talking snakes and egyptian magic made it seem like it would be an interesting fantasy book. after hearing about numbers,deuteronimy and leviticus though the bible just sounds boring. should i still read it or just find some other book.
werewolf873 4 months ago in playlist More videos from Evid3nc3
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You might want to read Romans 9.
Jerry0Thomas 5 months ago
@Jerry0Thomas You have NO idea how annoying that is. You're like the people who run around going, "Read John 3:16! It's all you need to know!"
Has it not occurred to you, and people like you, that we may have indeed READ these passages? That a passage talking about how Jesus is the truth is not very impressive, when so many verses show this to not be the case?
BigLundi 3 months ago
@BigLundi Then read it AGAIN and actually try to understand it.
Jerry0Thomas 3 months ago
@Jerry0Thomas I do understand it. The bible is a mediocre piece of classical mythological literature reflecting the beliefs of bronze age goat herders.
BigLundi 3 months ago
@BigLundi If that's what you want to believe...
Jerry0Thomas 3 months ago
@Jerry0Thomas It's what evidence tell me. Have you never heard f all the research done into HOW the bible was constructed? It was ritten by men, and voted on by men, on which books to include in the new testament. It's also a shitty read.
BigLundi 3 months ago
@BigLundi which is obviously what you want to believe. Did you read this "research" yourself? Or did you do your own research?
Jerry0Thomas 3 months ago
@Jerry0Thomas It's not what I want to believe, it's what I believe...based on evidence. Yes, I did my own research.
BigLundi 3 months ago
@BigLundi What evidence? and what did you research?
Jerry0Thomas 3 months ago
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Jerry0Thomas 5 months ago
You captured so well the feeling of realizing things in the Bible just didn't add up. I've never been so sucked into a story. This is so well done. I absolutely love this series.
CaptSeriouspants 5 months ago
So let me get this straight, because acts and mathew were written by two different people, and their stories while they work together, were not exactly the same, your faith was shattered? Man, i would hate to see you in court. Also, no where does it say that Judas died due to God's Wraith, that was your own thinking. No where in there does it say God's wraith killed him.
bluefootedpig 5 months ago
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bluefootedpig 5 months ago
If yo think the OT is not the same as the NT, that shows major lack of understanding as just about everything, including the laws is covered and explained in the NT. Even salvation didn't change. Sacrfice, washing of blood, and communing with god. That is how the OT outlined it, then Jesus died, we use his blood, wash in a baptism, and commune with God. Amazing how the salvation plan mirrored OT, yet he says there is no relation between the two?
bluefootedpig 5 months ago
I read the OT first then the NT and saw jesus contradict what went before so just...rejected jesus and kept the OT. I rejected jesus before i even believed really, then focussed on OT god. jew style! then fear kept me believing in that psychopath ._. i never finished the paul stuff
unassumption 5 months ago
@unassumption I am curious, what was it that Jesus did that contradicted the OT?
bluefootedpig 5 months ago
a few of the many contradictions of the Bible... Old and New Testament
Crazyninja30 6 months ago
The Abraham three-peat wife-sister parable, which also occurs in the Vedic story of Brahma and his wife-sister Saraswati, is a re-write of the three acts of creation by incest in the Heliopolitan Ennead creation myth, which is why it makes little sense in the Biblical version. In other words, both Ab-Ra-ham and B-ra-hma are “father Ra son of Nun”, etymologically. This fact takes a while to track down.
HumanChemistry101 6 months ago
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And Matthew 27:5 is why we dont want religion.
Yahweigh 6 months ago
in one of the avraham & sara stories (they did it 2x - profiting from it both times), did you also happen to notice that god wanted to kill avimelech for 'going into sara'? til avimelech told god he didn't do it, to which god responds 'i know, i kept you from doing it'?
most people take the story as someone tells it to them, but if you read it, you find that super-weird twist
more twists - they were siblings, and breaking the law & avraham caused his sister/ wife to commit adultery
gotta love it
GodsArePeopleToo 7 months ago
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emilroshan 7 months ago in playlist Why I am no longer a Christian
I really wanted to believe you were a Christian that for some wierd reason turned into a Atheist, becuase if you were, helping you get out of your trouble would be easer, how ever, your comments about your Christian life shows that you had little understanding of what been a Christian was, and i thought, well maybe he didn't have good teachers, maybe hes religion was not very strong. However, if you were to had a christian life, you should have gone to at least to CATECHISM, so if you only
DavidEloySaenz 7 months ago
@DavidEloySaenz learned about the death of the first born, and the exodus of Israel from Egypt and about Abraham's wife after you turned 20.... there's no way you were a Christian all your life, I can understand that you have read the Bible, but i doubt you have been a truly practicing Christian most of your life before turning into an atheist.That makes explain all your miss conceptions about been Christian, but i have new for you God loves you and wants nothing but your salvation!
DavidEloySaenz 7 months ago
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strangestdude 6 months ago
@DavidEloySaenz As a ex muslim I get the same comments from regarding me leaving the faith. 'You didn't know enough', 'you followed the wrong interpretations', 'you weren't a true believer'. Like the creator of this series pointed out - and shows - the belief in Christianity is a mega-belief propped up by many beliefs. The belief in the infallibility and divinity of the bible was a supporting belief, just like the Quran was for me. Think of all the things that you believe support Christianity
strangestdude 6 months ago 26
@MyPersonalFavourites ...sure....but I AM not into fiction.
KJVWordofGod 7 months ago
loved the way to explained how you felt when realized the contrudiction, it was quite moving.
eyallev 7 months ago
excellent video again. the bible was the first thing for me. i realised one day, somehow, that before i could have faith in god, i had to have faith in the bible. this was one of the more tangible discrepencies. the explanation i heard was that he hung himself, then the rope broke! of course he then fell down to the ground, where his intestines burst out. apparently, if you go to israel today....... there's a cliff with a tree right on the edge, which must be where judas died.......
BozoTheBear 8 months ago in playlist Why I am no longer a Christian
Wow.....that's a very subtil presentation. 99% truth and 1% lie = all lie.
KJVWordofGod 8 months ago
@KJVWordofGod well, first, that's how god works
99% good life, 1% bad life, go to hell.
it's not just 1% lie, judas not feeling guilty is a major part of the NT. with that being (so clearly) wrong, how can you trust anything else?
eyallev 7 months ago
@eyallev does not understand. No one goes to hell for any sin...no matter how good or bad their lives were. One goes to hell for only 1 sin, blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, which is the ONLY reason anyone goes to hell. That 1 sin is rejecting the finished work of Jesus Christ for the remission of their sins. ALL sins have been paid for by Jesus. The Holy Spirit convicts the world of sin. If one rejects Christ, one is calling the H.S. a liar = blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. pm me 4 more
KJVWordofGod 7 months ago
@KJVWordofGod I'll PM you for more, but for thyis public discussion, what you are saying is that if I go to hell, it's only because I rejceted jesus and what he did. what if, I never heard of jesus? than I wouldn't be guilty of blasphemy, and so, by teaching me about jesus, you (or anyone else) is opening the door for me to go to hell; for that, I've got nothing to say except, THANK YOU.
eyallev 7 months ago
@outbackcafe
Did you not listen to what Chris said in this video? In that same story, God supposedly punishes the person who was lied to. You can't explain away this problem as simply reporting "facts" as they happen without necessarily sanctioning the behavior of the characters.
ThatGuyWithHippyHair 8 months ago
@ThatGuyWithHippyHair "God supposedly punishes the person who was lied to" Please do not waste my time unless you read it yourself, God did not have to punish the king of Gerar, for the simple fact that he returned Abraham's wife back to him without ever touching her. Thus God reversed his judgment. You do not have to be a Christian to understand something so simple.
outbackcafe 8 months ago 19
@outbackcafe Will It never says that god reverse his judgement. All it say is that Pharaoh ask Abraham why didn't he say she was his wife and for him to take his wife back and leave with his belongings.
zune145 3 months ago
@zune145 You are confusing two separate stories read Genesis 20 especially verses 17-18 God did reverse his judgment.
outbackcafe 3 months ago
@outbackcafe Are you confusing the stories? The story in the video was in Genesis 12 verse 13-20.
zune145 3 months ago
@zune145 Whether Genesis 12 or 20 the story is very similar. In each case Abraham's wife was returned. The nature of God is to forgive people their sins, but they must be repentant. Another way to look at this is found in proverbs 14:6 'The LORD works out everything for his own ends--even the wicked for a day of disaster'. In other words God can kill two birds with one stone. Such is the wonder of God.
outbackcafe 3 months ago
@BkupAcct
I'd bet all the money I have that at least four fifths of all Christians haven't actually read the Bible. Those who do either accept far-fetched explanations for contradictions like the one described in this video, or become atheists.
ThatGuyWithHippyHair 8 months ago
You are amazing dude, thanks for all the time you've spent on these ...you deserve an award...truly eye opening!!
euphoria126 8 months ago
It always puzzles me when I hear an ex-Christian say that they finally discovered a problem (eg: the contradictory stories of the death of Judas) that brought them to a crisis of faith. In your video you give the impression that you had read the version in Acts, but the version in Matthew 27 caught you by surprise! Had you never read Matthew before? If not, how were you able to convince yourself that you were a bible believing Christian?
BkupAcct 8 months ago
if you are interpreting the Bible like that, there are many verses that seems like that. Not just about Judas.
faith must be based on faith, not logic, nor experience, nor knowledge, nor evidence.
vincent4169 8 months ago
@vincent4169 thats exactly how I manage to keep my faith in the Flying Spaghetti Monster!
CingerNebojsa 8 months ago in playlist Why I am no longer a Christian
@CingerNebojsa heresy! the invisible pink unicorn is the one true light!
taffysaur 8 months ago in playlist Evid3nc3's Playlist: Why I'm No Longer Christian
@taffysaur May His wiggly appendage touch your misguided soul my child!
CingerNebojsa 8 months ago
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@vincent4169 Then you admit that there is no reason to believe in one fairy tale over another.
Ledwix 8 months ago
@vincent4169 So if i convince enough people that i'm the new messiah, and they believe this, it doesn't matter if it's the dumbest of all lies, if they have faith in it, it's all they will ever need.... THanks for the info, i'm gonna go and begin building my own theocratic empire.....
Terryracoon 5 months ago
I was hoping to reserve my judgment until i watched all his videos but the more i listened the more i realized this guy was not ever saved, also it appears he has read the bible as a skeptic and not a believer, whenever i read any troubling passages in the bible i go to any apologist site and they have excellent answers, why did he not do this? obvious never a a real christian
outbackcafe 8 months ago
@outbackcafe best be a troll. You obviously didn't watch the full video, he went to an apologist site. I guess you just hear what you want to hear.
AnonymousAscendent 8 months ago
@outbackcafe He did go to apologist sites.
KnightOneDark 8 months ago
@KnightOneDark "He did go to apologist sites. " He complained about Abraham, and how he asked his wife to conceal the fact that they were married, Abraham was afraid he would be killed. But if you read on, the king later on discovered that this extremely beautiful women was actually his wife and not his sister.
The bible simply reports facts as they happened but does not support! Any normal person would know that!
It does not say "go and do likewise" this video failed big time!!!!!!!!!!!!!
outbackcafe 8 months ago 2
@outbackcafe Hes not a puppet like most christians. He decided to actually test the bible instead of assume its true because people say so.
AntiCreationism 8 months ago
@outbackcafe yeah, you can tell from his story that it sounds like he started learning from non-Christians without continuing his learning from Christians. He put academics above god, and thus only got to hear one side of the argument while relying on his own mental ability to support the other side, when really he should have taken any troubling evidence to a christian website or something like that. The fact he has yet to mention this, makes me think the same thing as you.
bluefootedpig 5 months ago
@bluefootedpig It is easy for bank tellers to spot counterfeit notes because they handle real money. Real Christians can easily spot the fakes because we handle the real thing. At 1:45 this fake christian complains about Abraham lieing about his wife Sarah. When in fact he did not lie, and even if he did lie that itself proves nothing. He claimed to be reading the bible page for page, if that was really true then only a few verses later Abraham says "besides she really is my sister" Gen 20:12
outbackcafe 5 months ago
@outbackcafe Real thinkers can easily spot the fakes because we handle the real thing. You are a fake thinker.
MrG0dbar 5 months ago
@MrG0dbar Thanks for sharing that bit of garbage, think you need to take a IQ test, with comments like that your brain must be ready to explode. Give yourself a pat on the back, Genius!
outbackcafe 5 months ago
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MrG0dbar 5 months ago
@outbackcafe It has as much validity as your "real Christians" circular logic clusterfuck, whereby you can deny "true Christianhood" to anyone who doesn't fit whatever criteria you find convenient for your purpose. Indeed, if a perfect interpretation of the Bible is requisite for "real Christianity" there are very few "real" Christians in this world, which begs the question of why a so-called benevolent God would arbitrarily send so many billions of his own children to eternal suffering in hell.
MrG0dbar 5 months ago
Incredible. Pure genius. I really hope this series is made into something purchasable -- you should be rewarded for all your hard work.
miketwo345 8 months ago
Good work on the vid...... But you got hung up with yeast and missed out on all the genocide,slavery and rape I didnt get past that. And the Judas bit was nice but the whole all 4 books couldnt agree on the events surrounding Jesuses birth and death well that seems a bit more glaring...
seeker6789 8 months ago
You're story is an inspiration. The fact that you took all this time to narrate your journey from belief to atheism shows how sincere you are with your convictions. As an atheist, it is very inspiring to see someone that is as dedicated to finding truth as myself. My journey from Christianity to Atheism was very similar, and my peers still don't accept me for it. Videos like this show me that I'm not crazy, and give me the courage to hold my beliefs no matter how intimidating religions can be.
lordofdawhopperz 8 months ago 33
@lordofdawhopperz This.
Icemario87 8 months ago
So if you've already acknowledged that the bible is largely fabricated and altered, how does it make any sense to criticize it as if god fucked up?
sidruzdzel 8 months ago
I can answer that. That's because the Bible has been a source of division and hatred for thousands of years. It has given people an excuse to promote division socially and politically for thousands of years, and is an evil vice. People that get their morality from this book seem to be overlooking the verses which specify stoning to death daughters who aren't virgins on their wedding day, or verses where children are sold into slavery. RELIGION POISIONS EVERYTHING!!
lordofdawhopperz 8 months ago
@lordofdawhopperz
woww you sound angry enough about this to maybe go ummm murder somebody?? haha
sidruzdzel 8 months ago
Friend, again, your video is well done but it is obvious to anybody with an education in hermeneutics and theology that your rationale is is flawed. Abraham was a flawed man just like any other man. The fact that he had God on his side is completely irrelevant to the fact that trusting in ones own judgment instead of Gods will is a major theme in the Bible and fits perfectly with the Abraham story. This is jut one of many mistakes you made. God bless.
AegeanKing 9 months ago
@AegeanKing Doesn't change the fact that God punished Pharaoh for something he didn't know.
And would you mind pointing out the other mistakes he made?
JackDavid6405 9 months ago
@JackDavid6405 I do not have the patience or room on youtube to go into a proper exegesis on the Torah. I suggest you read the writings of Rashi, RAMBAM and RAMBAN. These three are arguably the most influential ancient Jewish sages and their commentaries on the Torah are universally accepted. The person who made this video is in an unfortunate situation of having a very skewed view of who the Judeo-Christian God and his reasons for leaving the faith are a product of ignorance not rationale.
AegeanKing 9 months ago
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@JackDavid6405
"Doesn't change the fact that God punished Pharaoh for something he didn't know."
forget Pharaoh...I remember being a kid and freaked out at the Moses story. The KIDS were killed because Pharaoh was either a. controlled by god or b. screwed up himself.
the christian apologists try to explain that...but are basically "cool" with a god who killed a bunch of kids over something the leader did. what a sick being to worship.
hipstermi 8 months ago
@SmartAlx: these people are not stupid, they are simply in another intellectual room. Guess which, ; P
alive4ever1 9 months ago
The Bible says correctly that the heart is decietful above all things. You seem to have attributed more things to the Holy Spirit than were really from it. Also, "those who diligently seek (wisdom) will find me." Proverbs 8:17b The Bible is full of deep things and deep things require the greatest amount of work to understand.
BlackEyedGhost 9 months ago
@BlackEyedGhost
"The Bible is full of deep things and deep things require the greatest amount of work to understand."
Magical powers aren't very deep- they are childish beliefs.
a god who killed a bunch of kids isn't deep- that's sick.
a god who ordered people killed for being gay is sick.
the childish "parables" aren't really all that deep. they seem like stories you tell to kids.
hipstermi 8 months ago
@hipstermi This is quite a pathetic attempt at denigrating the Bible.
KnightOneDark 8 months ago
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@KnightOneDark
"This is quite a pathetic attempt at denigrating the Bible"
Well your ONE LINE explains your point of view and presents such a rational argument! Gooly gosh, how did I ever doubt magical Jesus!
hipstermi 8 months ago
When I was in a private school, I read the passage with the "G-d hardened Pharoah's heart" and then the plagues came... after that, I guess I started to question my faith since then since those books were written long ago. I still don't get why G-d would cause something to happen as part of his "great plan" on the poor Pharoah >_<;
kmelfina 10 months ago
I read the Bible cover to cover and agree. There was one scene where a prophet is walking home and told not to go the same way home, but someone lies to him saying the Lord said it was ok and convinces him to and he gets eaten by a lion.
Whether or not the stories in the old testament were wrong or right, contrary to the new testament, it was different back then... That is why it is a new covenant of the spirit in the new testament. But also the way it is written leaves out intentions.
chrisdryer 10 months ago
The Bible, the Quran and the Vedas were written by some sheep/goat herding morons of the stone age. What else would you expect other than a bunch of self-contradicting rubbish ?
srikargottipati 10 months ago
Thank you so much for sharing your experience with the world. Formerly religious myself, I too had many problems with the entire concept of Judas, not the least of which is the dissonance between Acts and Matthew. I found Judas' shift from closest confidante and best friend to Jesus, and his subsequent betrayal in lieu of greed to be problematic. The Gospel of Judas has set this right, however. I also find it interesting that of all the gospels, only 4 are in the Bible. Selective propaganda?
aydh83 10 months ago
uh...she was his sister buddy. read it again
TheHumanbeingHuman 10 months ago
I find the apologist's explanation to be rather unsatisfactory. In my mind, the more likely scenario would be that God had not punished Judas in the New Testament story because he had felt remorse for his actions and tried to make things right.
I'm a former Christian (now agnostic atheist), but I can say that this bit would not have convinced me. (Great series though, I agree with many of the other points.)
yanautopia 10 months ago
Even if the apologetics were right that Judas hung himself and then God made his guts explode, why did God even bother doing something so repulsive? Judas already hung himself-he was already dead.
CeaselesslyCurious 11 months ago
again amazing ..
midgety1 11 months ago
How the Hell you can get through Numbers, where Moses invents genocide, and then get touchy about Mathew escapes me.
gamesbok 11 months ago
@gamesbok Group death is way less sensitive to the human psyche, then single and/or personal death, save life-long friend or 3 sanitation worker's from a warehouse(that you don't know)?. We are naturally selfish and the fact that "judas" has a name, really burden's an individual's sensitivity. "judas" also highly interacted with the key person he believed in and loved "jesus". So it's understandable. Read up on some psychology.
buktomsin 11 months ago
@buktomsin As Stalin said, 'The death of a man is a tragedy, the death of a million is a statistic.' Fleming, in writing the Bond books would introduce technical details, the specification of guns, the vintage of a wine, to increase the personal connection of the reader with the plot. Never-the-less I was shocked by Numbers 31. but Mathew left me unmoved, or rather unconvinced. Rather than me studying psychology perhaps psychology should study me.
gamesbok 11 months ago
@gamesbok Yea thats many outlooks but as a christian your forwarded to NT automatically because they already know the evil of the OT. His point in feeling's still stands.
buktomsin 11 months ago
@gamesbok Also when i was a christian it was extraordinarily rare that a fellow christian new much or even read the OT. It really is true though Atheist's read the bible, on average, more than christian theist's.
buktomsin 11 months ago
The "How did Judas die?" contradiction was the first one I found also, in an attempt to read the Bible over 10 years ago, and listening to what happened to you because of that realization was like listening to what happened in my own heart at that time. THANK YOU for posting this. It's comforting to hear that others have experienced the same journey, not because they were angry with God or being rebellious, but because they were genuinely trying to know God better (as I was).
snowbellan 11 months ago
I watched a few of your videos of your journey from faith, and my heart is saddened for your loss. You allowed yourself to listen to to the lies and games of the enemy in regards to the things of your faith and followed him down a deadly path. My condolences. I'm being serious, not sarcastic of facetious.
BazooSue 11 months ago
@BazooSue He is happy now! He expressed the feeling that he had then! Your dumb.
buktomsin 11 months ago
@buktomsin My comment was a challenge to his feelings at any point in time, it was just a comment. If calling me names makes you feel better, then I feel sorry for you. Hope you find someting in life that makes you feel better but doesn't attack anyone else who expresses their opinion.
BazooSue 11 months ago
@BazooSue Sorry my opinion doesn't agree with you bud.
buktomsin 11 months ago
The story of Judas' death was one of the first signs I discovered that those who meant to indoctrinate me into Christianity were often themselves unaware of what exactly they were teaching. I was 10, and was snapped at in what had formerly been a friendly Sunday school class for asking questions about this conflict. It was the sudden change in demeanor that started me questioning my beliefs. Within 6 years I left the church. I'm sad to say that it took nearly 20 more for me to accept the truth.
JesusKrispies 11 months ago
When you tried to read the entire bible, you did it without guidance. The fact that you were dismayed by the few books of law in the early part of the Bible then gave up and skipped the majority of the Old Testament shows how your church did not prepare you for studying scripture. You missed out on all of the poetic verses and the prophetic verses that proved that Jesus was God. Your inability to complete the Old Testament demonstrates just how poor of a Christian you must have been.
SmartAlx 11 months ago
(Continued) A person such as you who tested God from the beginning and doubted repeatedly was very vulnerable to Satan's tactics in the Pentecostal faith. And when you found your first apparent contradiction, your faith was destroyed. You were a gonner long before you went on this journey, because your Pentecostal church did not prepare you.
SmartAlx 11 months ago
@SmartAlx
It's funny to see such dumb people such as yourself replying to a video made by such an intelligent man.
Louchan2 9 months ago
It seems a near-constant in de-conversion stories is the desire to understand your religion by actually reading the bible. As soon as you said it I smiled! In my experience and from what I've heard from others, this is the point of no return for many people. Sitting down and reading the actual text is often the defining moment separating a path within religion leading toward knowledge and the path toward knowledge leading away from religion.
KateIncognita 11 months ago
@KateIncognita Interesting. It had the opposite affect for me. The moment I began to study scripture is the moment when I realized the brilliance of God and the words contained within the Bible.
SmartAlx 11 months ago
@SmartAlx
Yes, of course. The one and only inerrant word of God should only be read by scholars not lowly peasants. If God knows everything then he should have inspired the Biblical writers to write a version to guide all his children, you shouldn't need to be "prepared." The fact that Christianity has split into so many sects because of disagreement on scripture is representative of how non-inerrant it is.
xxxkillertorpedoe 11 months ago
Another great story involving the story of Judas was in the Russian novel "The Master and Magerita" where one of the characters gives a "true" account to the story through a novel. In the story Judas had a lover who he wanted to get the money for. Instead of dieing through guilt or god's wrath he was stabbed on the street by thugs working for Pilate. When the thugs came to him he said that he could of go away and committed suicide. Even thou it manly entertainment it is nice to see another side
ravenheart93 1 year ago
7:17 I got goosebumps.
thefatkid77 1 year ago
@thefatkid77 Exactly!! Same here!!
skepticlogician 3 months ago
that makes zero sense! how could he have thrown the money away, then bought a field with it?
nactan 1 year ago
8:15 B "Eventually I couldn't take the cognitive dissonance any longer, and I turned to the internet". LOL! Good video.
drumrnva 1 year ago
First of all, thank you for sharing your story. Second of all, oh man, all I can think of is how fantastic you are at storytelling and how intensely I want you to become an author. I got chills when you started talking about paint peeling to reveal emptiness.
EMSDisorder 1 year ago
yea, the apologist are wrong.
doublewhat 1 year ago
You do know who wrote Acts was Luke. In fact Acts is a letter to his friend Theophilus. The Gospel of Luke does not have the account of what Judas Iscariot did after he betrayed Jesus. So we are to assume that Luke didn't have all the details of what really happen. or like what alot of Bible passages have are double meanings. The way Judas felt guilt is like his intestines exploded. Guilt so strong and powerful can make one feel like they want to explode. He fell headlong is remorse. To fall.
doublewhat 1 year ago
@doublewhat You do realize how stretched out that story is, right?
theclinger 1 year ago
I really think that the old testament was just a test. Everything God does is a test. Though he knows the outcome, we ourselves must experience what is given so that we can learn. That is why there are these rules and regulations. Remember it was just the Israelites at the time. They were his Chosen people. Everyone else really didn't matter. My guess is he only wanted to focus on a small group of people first. Then they rebelled time after time. The old testament is the story of what not to do.
doublewhat 1 year ago
mudane details or as the military has taught me, true obedience is paying attention to detail. I am actually more of a pig picture kind of guy. I skim over the detail and try to see what's really important.
doublewhat 1 year ago
reading the bible from cover to cover is rough. Numbers, Deuteronomy, Corinthians, Isaiah, all prophets can get very boring quickly. The Books written by the Apostles, are books I find more interesting. Once you go over them once and are taught or learn the meanings of the verses, it's not so bad. I love the Book of Isaiah, it is all prophecy that has double meanings to them.
doublewhat 1 year ago
@Evid3nc3 "the bible [was] no longer the clear word of god that flowed straight from his mind to my mind. it suddenly required the intervention of outside sources to rescue it from being misunderstood. it could no longer stand on its own." brilliant quote, you hit it dead on for me. that was one of the major things that led to my own deconversion last summer. thanks for these videos, they are helping me to accurately think about my own experience and not skew it with my new beliefs. :)
angryJackel 1 year ago
Thank you so very much for this series...it really does bring tears to my eyes - your story is just too similar to mine, I guess. :) But, now I can share your videos with those who ask me about my journey, pointing out differences, but reinforcing that overall, it was the search for truth that got me where I am.
mousers42 1 year ago
@Evid3nc3
Thank you for the immense time you must have put into these videos, it's nice to hear from someone who has had a similar journey as me. The Judas conflict you describe was one of the critical conflicts that also led me to step away from my faith after 27 years of it.
trout77x 1 year ago 53
Just to clarify, both Abram and his wife were punished. Abram had his wife taken away against his will. As a married man this would have devistated me. Sara was forced to be removed from her husband and be with another man. Is that not punishment enough? I find some of your arguements to be based on a false premis or perhaps lack of understanding. I, like you, have an incomplete understanding of everything in the bible. I am sure that I (perhaps we) will gain a better understanding in time. GBY
TheSuperFunHappyGuy 1 year ago
The BIBLE is the MARK of the BEAST! Constantine (1st beast) legalized Christianity and had 50 bibles compiled. King James, homo (2nd beast) 666 # of a man, born 1566, 6th of Scotland, authorized 66 book bible, image of God's word, carried in your hand, memorized in your head, made to speak (the bible says) and is used as an object of worship. Your faith will fail.
BIBLEisMARKofBEAST 1 year ago
@BIBLEisMARKofBEAST no, the Bible contains the Word of God....why would the beast (catholic church) kill millions to keep them from reading it if it was evil???? they killed to suppress life and blessings from the Father-- hence the pope is always the anticrhist
TheSpydermunkee 1 year ago
@TheSpydermunkee The catholic church kept the bible from the people to have power over them. That's why you pay a lawyer a big fee for his knowledge. King James authorized the bible to keep power over the people. One of his heads was wounded to death, King James healed his deadly wound. The most ignorant people in the world are protestants, they were looking for a book instead of the Holy Ghost. You have eaten the little book, your belly is bitter and you've wasted your life controlled by a book
BIBLEisMARKofBEAST 1 year ago
@TheSpydermunkee Well evil people can be jerks to each other.
May be they don't want people to see that it is "evil", so that they'll be more likely not to reject it.
SuperMerlin100 1 year ago
abraham existed before Christ, and Exodus- even Moses questioined God-but Christ was the ultimate sign to trust in Him, for he has not come back since-the Messiah is ultimate reassurance, that those of the old testaments were unprivlaged to know..do you not see Satan all around us? in your 'doubtfulness' you have forgotten to sharpen your sword against satan/ remorse would be not committing suicide and asking for forgiveness! in your search for God, do not forget SATAN! satanconvertedme2christ
TheSpydermunkee 1 year ago