Hitler was a brutal maniac with no reason to kill anyone other than blaming the Jews for World War 1.
The Hebrew people were slaves in Egypt and were promised by God land that would be theirs. I don't see any Americans spitting in our forefathers face for the genocide of native Americans. (Genocide is the wrong word for dawkins to be using when it comes to the bible. It's fulfillment of the promise God made)
@conraddoavil What rubbish. Many Americans (myself included) do protest the way in which this country was founded through the bloodshed of Native Americans. The fact that I was born here long after and can't do anything about what happened is not my fault. But I can call it what it is--genocide. The ancient Israelites did the same thing.
@conraddoavil Bull. If your God cannot do his own dirty work then he is a useless dictator much worse than Hitler. He is suppose to be all-powerful, and all-loving. Hitler wasnt. God could have snapped his fingers and gave everyone their own land peacefully. He didnt. He could have stopped Hitler. He didnt. Those stories are humans looking to justify genocide, nothing more. And ill bet they never imagined that 2000 years later people would still be gullible enough to believe it.
"One who dies a Jew will be DAMNED." - St. Vincent Ferrer
"The Jews are ENEMIES OF GOD and foes of our holy religion." - St. Padre Pio
"Let no man think that he may for any reason whatsoever join the Masonic Sect, if he values his Catholic name and his eternal salvation as he ought to value them." - Pope Leo XIII, 1884
The New World Order is an absence of Jesus Christ as God.
Rome will be destroyed on August 17, 2011 for failing to preserve the Dogma.
,I think it may also prove helpful to some of the viewers here to try to evaluate many of the more strident claims of the anti-theist critique ("brights") from a ideological/ metaphysics perspective. Check out the recent article by Jackson Lears in the May 16, 2011 issue of the The Nation entitled "Same Old New Atheism" .The article offers a compelling analysis of Sam Harris' works. Consideration is given to general atheistic social perspectives
It's not morally indistinguishable, because god told Joshua to do it! Come on, Dick!
Christians, are you with me on this one? It wasn't Josh's idea, it was god's! That makes it morally good to destroy all omen, women, children, and animals in the city. Go Josh, and go god!
You also have to be so desperate to get as many people as you can so that they can give the video thumbs up. Tisk tisk tisk. THAT is extremely desperate. Only 5% of the world's population are atheists. I mean, it's JUST pathetic.
atheist youtubers sure do have too much time on their hands. Get a life. I bet most of these atheists are dorky grow men living in their mom's basement. Keep wasting your time insulting religions. That's right. Keep fantasizing about Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens. *rolls eyes*
Those are Jewish values, not Christian values... Old Testament literalists among Christians are thankfully few and far between. If only the same could be said about Jews and Muslims regarding their primary scriptures, then we would be living in a much more peaceful world today... "Judeo-Christian" values is BTW an oxymoron and a 20th-century construct. There can be no shared set of values between worshippers of a tribal Jewish God and worshippers of the cosmopolitan Christian God...
@unapologeticmind You said "There can be no shared set of values between worshippers of a tribal Jewish God and worshippers of the cosmopolitan Christian God...".
Sir, the Old Testament is referring to EXACTLY the same God as the New Testament. The biblical God committed numerous atrocities and this cannot be ignored simply because you wish to euphemistically eliminate this part of the Bible. Also, slavery is condoned by God throughout the Bible....from Genesis to Revelation.
@CynicalSkeptic1 I agree that it's a challenge for Christians to unite the seemingly separate Gods of the OT and the NT, but that's beside the point. Many things are challenging and contradictory in not only Christianity but in all religions. That's what theology is for, to resolve conflicts and contradictions. Thankfully, extremely few Christians take the OT literally and most don't even take the whole NT literally...
@unapologeticmind You said "Many things are challenging and contradictory in not only Christianity but in all religions."
That is exactly correct and the reason that I am no longer a Christian after being one for twenty years. There is no reason to believe in a religion which is based on a book that is so obviously inaccurate.
@CynicalSkeptic1 Thank you for pointing this out very well said, and may I further add how many people have had to die over the thoughts and justifications these shitty stories inspired in humanity. Being that I am American Indian and live on a piss poor reservation, and you may be surprised to know we got the connections, real fast long how this Demonic Christian Doctrine and real life murder and torture is directly connected. Christian people will always be morally invalid and deranged.
Hitler coined the phrase "Big Lie" in 'Mein Kampf' to educate the primitive masses how the judeo-criminals rule over them thru psychological operations. The primitive masses fail to comprehend inside their simplistic minds how any people could be so wicked to carry out fraud on the massive scale which is how jewish absurdities such as the "Torah" and the "Holocaust" become accepted as truthful over time thru repetition. Perhaps not even 100,000 jewish deaths resulted from WW2.
@FLIPWORLDUPSIDEDOWN Then tell us about the context of the given bible passage which makes it more acceptable and not so bad.
I think it is funny when I hear Christians, or other religious people, excuse a passage from their holy book, by saying it was taken out of context, instead of providing the context it was supposedly taken out of context from.
Usually you guys never deliver the context, because you already know, that the context does not make it any better.
@mhrby1985 the thing is why should we have to do all the work for you? if you truly want to know the truth it should be up to you to study it for yourself to see if it is true or not...
the main problem is you are LAZY! and dont want to have to answer to a holy God..so you say the things you say without backing it up with proof or intelligence...
The point is that those who belive in ID and want it to be taught and accepted as scientific, are refusing to do the work they should with their work, but instead rely on manipulation of the masses through media outlets, instead of trying to prove their the position is right.
The reason I asked you guys to find those, is because THEY DO NOT EXIST, to demonstrate my point, but I guess I went over your simple-minded head, but what else could I expect?
@FLIPWORLDUPSIDEDOWN And it is not my job to prove a negative; I cannot prove that no research actually exist, but you can prove that some does and that it has been peer-reviewed through a highly credited and recognized scientific journal after having gone through peer-review.
Likewise, if I claimed that humans and apes shared a common ancestors, it would not be your job to prove the negative, i.e. prove that we didn't, no, I would have to show you all the different evidence, which does exist
@FLIPWORLDUPSIDEDOWN But I think it is the top of hypocrazy that you think that I am the lazy one.
I have actually bothered to research the subject, and unlike you, I have not just ignored the subject and continued my life by assuming that whatever story I heard when I was young is the true one.
You are the lazy one, afraid to find the truth, because deep down, you know, that if you actually did research this, you would have to end up changing your mind, and that is change you are afraid of
@FLIPWORLDUPSIDEDOWN Oh, and finally, just because you have not yet woken up and seen reality, does not mean those of us who have, should go back to sleep and the dream-world that you live in, constructed by your faith in the untrue
I think this makes a truly damning case against religion.
Although I do think any in-depth study of religion could tell you this sort of stuff. It's bronze age stuff, and people in the bronze age would be considered barbaric by modern standards.
'you better wake up and do some real research..before it's too late..
The Bible is more correct then you could ever imagine..Humble yourself before the Holy God and ask Him for guidance on these matters...if you truly are searching that is..otherwise..just go back to sleep!
it's amazing how people would devote their lives to a "religion" and they don't even know where religion comes from...take a look around...every fucken culture has a "religion". It's also stupid to argue with out religoin people would just go out there and start "robbing" "murdering" and "sleeping with other people's wives"....because we have LAWS carried out by police...that's why it won't happen and besides most people are not born to act as such...but like all animals we can be pushed to
If he has an issue with the Bible and that there are stories that do not show morality I suggest one of two things: 1) Take up your issue with Athanasius, bishop of Alexandria. 2) Or use your brain and dont read those books to your children until they get older and have a better mental grasp of the subject!
@Muzzinator89 so how do you suggest which stories of the bible we should pick and choose from and interpret in so many different ways. the bible is a book of fables and mythologies. people say well its not suppose to be taken literally. alright, so jesus wasn't real and neither is god, they are not to be taken literally.
@FLIPWORLDUPSIDEDOWN how do i prove what stories are suppose to be taken literally? if you believe you know what ones to take literally, why dont you tell me which ones and how you know.
hahahah it doesn't take a technician to "mentally grasp" the destruction of men, women, and children and understand the obsurd justification of "bad joo joo" or "being cursed" or "being unclean" as warrent to butcher babies and steal property from others. How dare you. Your mind isn't bigger or in any way better than anybody else's. The bible is myth, and it's protagonists and antagonists distinctions are greatly blurred.
Very good point made here. What is the difference between Joshua conquering Jericho and the hijackers who flew airplanes into the WTC? It is only moral if you accept the mission of one person or the other as a direct command from God. Basically, if it is in the holy text, it automatically becomes moral.
Why would you ask a young child who has not yet read the bible for themselves about a specific account in the bibe, do the tests on adults and i bet your results change durastically.
@Astonisher63 thats the whole point dumbass.... that is WHY it was done on children!!!!!!!! are you really that stupid ? and hello the results would not have been different with adults.... the control groups would definitely be similar and the other group would probably be the same as well as long as it is done in christian/jewish state. Your stupidity astounds me
@DiosanXaquerry So your saying that the whole point of the study was to ask childrend who haven't even really learned the background of those accounts in which they were asked? He also said in another statement that we tell children that they are Christian. That couldn't be more false. All we do is teach them about the Bible and let them form their own opinions. We also don't tell them that they are going to Hell.
@Astonisher63 and you know whats even more hilarious... that most christians seem to think that most atheist dont understand or have any personal experience of christianity... when the exact opposite is true.... I know, I know.... it is hard for you to accept that other people would have the same knowledge and experience of christianity and see it as bull shit.... but that is just something your going to have to live with as a christian... or better yet you could open your eyes and see as well
@DiosanXaquerry Thats actually a well known fact in the Christian community. I know a few atheists who have read the Bible multiple times. Every time I have a theological discussion I always keep an open mind to what they are saying. I never get angry durring a discussion either because the only thing that shows is that I don't know what I'm talking about and don't want to lose the debate.
holy shit there is no real evidence for the joshua of the bible ever existing. i seriously thought that the story of the invasion of canaan was a real event in history.
lol, My dad went to catholic school in the 60's and they were forbidden by the school to associate with Protestant "whores." What makes that even funnier is that the Catholic chicks put out quite a bit, too.
@DiosanXaquerry Ha yeah. In highschool my mother wanted me to date this fairly hot girl from church and set us up. Thought I needed a "good christian girl" as opposed to the ones in my group.
Took her to see Armageddon and she wanted me to finger her right there in the theater lol. I probably would have kept dating her...but she was fucking pregnant! lol at 15 yrs old. She was skinny and not showing yet but I wasnt ready for that shit. haha good Ol' christian values!
@slippy441 Ha... the church girls are always the horniest... I had a girl ask me to sit next to her in church and proceeded to take my "meeting bag" (leather breif case) and place accross both our legs, thus obscuring anyones view and grab my hand and push it under her skirt... even though even then i knew i was an atheist, that was still too much for me.
There always going to be nutjobs in every freaking religion, why do people post these lame "Look, it's not just religion x, religion y does this too!!!" Like no, freaking kidding.
This video really doesn't surprise me. It just goes to show that when genocide coincides with scripture...it becomes "OK". But killing people without claiming that it's for religion is a bad thing. I just can't believe that this is what people teach their children. So sad...
I find the fact that people can be enthused to think this way so easily severely disturbing and I find the fact that it seemed to be so common even more disturbing.
we jews have corrupted the christians bible haha if only they new the christians would see that the muzzies are right and if they join forces we are doomed again thank yhwh we have fooled them goyms
Bravo, mr Dawkins. That's exactly what most christians doesn't know, or wish to know. The imaginary judeo-christian values are nothing else but a rip-off from the secular world.
The real judeo-christian "values" are murder, theft, genocide, rape and delusions of grandeur, summarized under the umbrella of "love" ;)
Israel is one of the most patient nations around, it is surrounded by nations that hate it and that occasionally rocket bomb it yet it stays relatively calm. If someone kept throwing bombs in your backyard, you'd want to throw stuff back at them, wouldn't you?
Britain's Lord Balfour gave the Jews the land of Palestine saying it was 'a land without people for a people without land' but that was a lie. Gradually the Zionists stole more and more of the land until today the Palestinians have only 22 per cent of their original land. It is not the best of the original land but the worst. The Palestinians say, OK well settle for this 22%, but Israel wants all of it. The Palestinians tried peace. They tried negotiations. Then they try these bombs.
I did not know that, which I hate to admit since usually I dislike uninformed debaters (as such, I will not try to debate this issue until I have more information). I knew some general details, but not all of that. I have no idea what should be done about the situation, but I can guarantee that whatever is done will piss off quite a few people.
Thank you. Your words have the ring of intelligence and openness. Try, if possible, to go to independent sources, ideally primary sources, for your information (by which I mean academic researchers, independent investigative journalists and the like, rather than mainstream, corporate media). This is what I try to do. I dont know what should be done about the situation either. Its just awful.
Look... its just a little bit odd that most Jewish people i have meant seem to be far more sensible than the xtians i have met. Do you realise that xtians believe that we are about to get hammered by an 11 horned dragon? If you understand that 45% of israelis do not believe in a jewish ubermensh control of their region then you would understand that jewish people do not conform to your ridiculous statement
Don't trust any group which has a special name for people outside its group that isn't a simple negation of its own label. Gentiles, civilians, infidels, textiles, straights, laity, commoners. If anybody tells you that you joined the opposing club by default you just know you have to watch the bastards very carefully. Creating a special out-group label is a sign of dangerous thought patterns, there's no special label for people who don't play golf. The label is step one, it makes hating easier.
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Don't listen to this ignorant fools comments because he has no background in Islam, all he has is a translation of the Quran and he tries to understand it according to his own mind, obviously he makes a lot of mistakes and does not know he is making mistakes.
I gave him some reliable information and he denied to read it because he thinks that somehow Makkah is the only place for Islamic knowledge.
Don't listen to this piece of filth, just treat him as a spammer
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This coward user tried to argue with me about Islam, he thinks he knows islam better than me, and I am a born Muslim and have studied it under various scholars and imams.
He says that his knowledge of Islam comes from just Makkah but he does not understand that Islam is worldwide and there are many different scholars out there, in fact one of them called Bukhari was not an arab.
What a brilliant experiment. Once again, we see that logic, thought, and intelligence are the enemies of religious beliefs. Is it truly a wonder that religious people consistently score lower on I.Q. tests than atheists? Is that really still surprising to anyone? Statistical data from over a century of comparative testing paints a clear, undeniable picture with a single, unquestionable answer; religious... people...are...stupid. Plain and simple.
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That's interesting, because the smartest people throughout history have been religious (ie, just for one example, do you know the name 'Einstein'?). I agree with you only on the point that this was a very good experiment.
"If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it." - Albert Einstein
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"In view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human mind, am able to recognize, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what makes me really angry is that they quote me for support of such views." -Albert Einstein
That isn't to say that all religious people are stupid, and all non-religious people are smart. There are, of course, exceptions to every rule. (C.S. Lewis comes to mind as someone both religious and brilliant.) But it is also important to note that one must go further and further into to the past to find a significant proportion of intelligent religious people. This is due to modern science making religion appear more and more silly, thus the most brilliant minds today tend to be atheist.
I think carkl sagan said it best. . . At a dinner many decades ago, the physicist Robert W. Wood was asked to respond to the toast, 'To physics and metaphysics'. By 'metaphysics', people then meant something like philosophy, or truths you could recognize just by thinking about them. They could also have included pseudoscience. Wood answered along these lines: the physicist has an idea. The more he thinks it through, the more sense it seems to make. He consults the scientific literature. . .
. . . The more he reads, the more promising the idea becomes. Thus prepared, he goes to the laboratory and devises an experiment to test it. The experiment is painstaking. Many possibilities are checked. The accuracy of measurement is refined, the error bars reduced. He lets the chips fall where they may. He is devoted only to what the experiment teaches. At the end of all this work, through careful experimentation, the idea is found to be worthless. . .
. . .So the physicist discards it, frees his mind from the clutter of error, and moves on to something else. The difference between physics and metaphysics, Wood concluded as he raised his glass high, is not that the practitioners of one are smarter than the practitioners of the other. The difference is that the metaphysicist has no laboratory.
"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it." From a letter Einstein wrote in English, dated 24 March 1954. It is included in Albert Einstein: The Human Side.
Im not sure what you mean. I was not offering proof i was pointing out the fact that religion has an unfair status in our societies and that is bullshit. Some crackpot teachings (i wont dignify them with the word theories) that have not but retarded the progress of our civilization
So, all punishment is unjust? What kind of world would this be if we followed your line of reasoning. Your inability to acknowledge the nature of sin, as well as God's righteousness, hinders you from processing the matter properly. Sin must be judged, and God, the ultimate judge, will deal with sin.
Your charge is unfounded. Why don't you go hug a rapist and give him the, "I'm okay, you're okay," line of crap that has been a detriment society. I'm not advocating violence, but there is certainly a place for retribution and judgment, and God ultmately judge all things.
According to god's word, a rape victim must marry the rapist. There is no punishment for the rapist. This is extremely sick as usual with bible morality.
28If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; 29Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.
The following regulations of which you quote were specific to God's covenant relationship with ancient Israel. Various consequences were to be applied to various situations, as noted prior to this text. With virtually no welfare available, food stamps, etc., the man was obligated to marry and take care of the woman. There were other cultural particulars relating to the command given, of which you have given no consideration.
"God's covenant relationship with ancient Israel" So in those days, God favored rewarding the rapist and forcing the victim to suffer by becoming the property of the rapist for the cost of a little silver.
Leviticus 5:8 explains that god wants to have a small bird's head ripped of and its blood sprinkled around an alter. Makes you want to vomit doesn't it. Are you really that sick? Is that behavior excusable? How could someone be compelled to do something so disgusting vicious and cruel.
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"Leviticus 5:8 explains that god wants to have a small bird's head ripped of and its blood sprinkled around an alter. Makes you want to vomit doesn't it?"
It doesn't to anyone who understands its spiritual significants, in that it foreshadowed the coming one, the Lord Jesus, who would shed His blood for the sins of the world. It was a shadow pointing to the greater substance. What, are you some brainwashed PETA member?
No, I think he was trying to make a point about the absurdity of believing in a benevolent deity that likes to see his own beloved creations killed in various rituals of his own choosing. Benevolent my ass.
I am personally egging on the IDF to kill and main as many Palestinians as possible AND for lots of Israeli soldiers to be maimed, kidnapped and tortured. Why? so we can fast track the Christian Self-Fulfilling Prophesy of their Obsession=Apocalypse/Armageddo n. THAT AT LEAST THEY MAY ACHIEVE HAPPINESS! You know how egotistical the God of Abraham is, 'He' needs to have 'Da' temple rebuilt were Al Aqsa Mosque sits today regardless how much blood has to flow! Oh! People of Faith They KILL me : (
"... spiritual significance, in that it foreshadowed the coming one, the Lord Jesus, who would shed His blood for the sins of the world... What, are you some brainwashed PETA member?"
Seriously? So, because some other guy was going to be brutally murdered and glorified for it, it's now ok to decapitate birds and pour their blood around rocks? You only have to be human to see the sickness of that, PETA, or otherwise. That you support that is deplorable.
If the children cited in the test had been oppressed, battered and tormented by the inhabitants of Jericho, I wonder how they would have answered under such an environment? The people of Jericho were grossly wicked, and their destruction was of divine decree. It was specific in nature and limited in scope. Dawkins, like many others, likes to put twist on the everything he reads in the Bible.
You, my friend Peter, are the reason we need people like Dawkins today.
I was brought up on Christian cultary, and yes, Jericho was of 'divine' nature. Until you realize that every stoned homosexual and deviant child was also of 'divine' nature, as was every rape of a woman to avoid men laying with men, being 'divine' in nature.
When you read the Bible with open eyes, you realize that this 'divine' nature is more absurd than anything else we hold true today.
Bible, Quran and other holy books were written by people. It is fact that Jesus, Mohamed, Krishna, Buddha did not write any holy books. Texts were amended many times and here we have the current version. We all know some of the holy books are certainly not holy. Murder, killing, immoral activities, threats all in name of god. What a God.
Lies told over and over again over thousands of years become the truth. But is it really the truth or are the people deluded?
leow, your absolutely right. Religion's aim is to make people ignorant and obedient so that their masters can manipulate and control them. We see it in politics unfortunantly
the whole thing about keep the virgins...parts of old testament outlaw adultery and rape so its not to be a sex slave or anything. reason for killing non virgins was god wanted to punish the women who were held responsible for seducing the jewish men in the past and causing them to worship another god. not saying that this is all fine and dandy but giving more clarity and context to subject.
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i agree there is alot of brutality in old testament that is endorsed by God. Now it's not that christians pick and choose but it's that you make a conclusion based on reading the entire bible old and new testament and understand context, etc.
I did. Apart from being incoherent and never contradicting the "old one", I find the story of an all powerfull God, who sends his son to be tortured and murdered in the name of something very loosely defined, with his attitudes never producing any measureable consequences and only spread for the political interests of a roman emperor, tasteless, to say the least.
Supposedly. Yes. I hope next time a god's son, or god himself, or whatever you think the dude was, if he ever existed, asks me before he puts me into a debt for something I did not ask for and that I can not pay in my lifetime. But wait, are those not the sort of behaviours of totalitarian dogmas, like the ones still existing today in the darkest corners of the planet - convincing people that they are evil and then offering the only way to salvation, or is it just me?
God turned himself into his own son so he could be tortured to death to forgive and save a few of the billions of people he was going to torture for all eternity (in his eternal loving kindness) because the first man and woman, thousands of years ago were tempted by a talking snake to eat some fruit making billions of their descendants guilty in the process. If that makes sense, vote Republican.
Even worse: God (as the holy ghost) impregnated Mary with himself (as Jesus) to be killed to please himself :-)
The same god who was so kind to put deadly traps (the two trees) into paradise of which one is not so deadly at all.
After he is not pleased with humanity he doesn't just snap his fingers and make everything right again, no, he floods the earth and kills almost everbody.
To me it sounds like he is playing with humans. What a despisable person....
God (being omniscient) knew before he created anything that everything would happen the way it has. Including the apple business with the talking snake. In his wisdom and mercy he created tapeworms, child abuse, addiction, schizophrenia, cancer, war, starvation, torturers, (being omnipotent he could have created anything) axe murderers, plagues of much variety, grinding poverty, earthquakes, childhood leukemia, and Reaganomics. And he made it all from nothing by magic. Why? Because he loves us.
The fact of God's perfect creation going bad does not necessarily assume his imperfection as he has the ability to turn bad into good by a final outcome or judgement. We see the evil here and now, but the end of time hasn't yet reached its peak, in which case, God may be able to rectify a situation and still come out on top. We can also argue that he may allow evil to exist for a greater good, such as free will, etc.
14And if the burnt sacrifice for his offering to the LORD be of fowls, then he shall bring his offering of turtledoves, or of young pigeons. 15And the priest shall bring it unto the altar, and wring off his head, and burn it on the altar; and the blood thereof shall be wrung out at the side of the altar: Leviticus 1:14-15
i don't approve of that now but I can understand why they did what they did in the past. And if you are going to point out ethical questionability from the bible, I think you could have found something a lot worse than killing animals.
True. The worst example is Jesus. We have a person who wants to be a god, and repeatedly threatens to burn those who won't worship him. He is the type of person who would threaten to pour gasoline on people and set them on fire. Forever. Luke 3:17 "with unquenchable fire"
Mt. 18:8etc. Eternal torture is the most evil idea ever created by anyone(Jesus).2nd most evil idea is send your own son to be tortured to death as a human sacrifice. Nothing lower than the bible when it comes to being evil.
Actually, most people would think it to be reasonable to believe in some kind of punishment in the afterlife, considering characters like hitler, serial killers, etc. Jesus claimed to be God and claimed that humanity is spiritually sick in need of him as he claims to be the cure, offering this as a free choice to salvation. Of course, if you don't think you are sinful in anyway, then it's going to be hard to believe this.
If a punishment in the afterlife is the thing keeping you from being evil, then you are a very unpleasant person. Jesus was only one of many who were claiming to be the messia. "The life of Brian" is closer to the truth than the bible in that respect (that is what historians say). There is good and there is evil in the world and we need and have rules in our societies and we learn from our past. There is no reason to have a god, we can do it very good on our own.
actually, mainstream christianity teaches that people are to be motivated to be "good" out of love and appreciation for Christ's sacrifice for them. You acknowledge the existence of good and evil, where does it come from. moral law must have moral law maker or creater.
It is better to think for yourself and arrive at moral conclusions than it is to simply accept them from an outside source. People should indeed be motivated to do good out of a love for others, but attributing that love to an arbitrary literary figure like jesus adds nothing to ethical value of any act.
Atheists are frequently moral people, and christians are frequently amoral people.
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wow yes. most pedos are athiests. the only reason there was a scandal with priests was because of them being the least expected to be pedos. you are a fag of the highest degree.
To believe that God exists is to believe in your first miracle as "God" cannot be seen or measured within physical reality. Considering that the existence of God is the only rational explanation to life's complexity, you would have to then be open to the possibility that this "creator" can manipulate space and time.
If a god existed outside of our physical reality, cause and effect would have no meaning for him. That would even make it worse, he would see "the whole picture" over time, it would enable him to pull the strings and influence history. He makes all the evil and suffering in the world and if he would do that he would be the biggest possible misanthrop.Most of all it would not explain, why he would be angry, when we don't follow his rules, he would know up front and could fix it before it happens.
When I mean physical reality, I am referring to the materialist world including laws of physics, mathematics, etc. Outside of reality does not mean that he cannot be a part of it or has no relation to it. He can go in and out of our physical world. Cause and effect are non material realities that exist as God exists. God did not make evil, but did allow this "effect" to occur possibly for a greater purpose so that free will can exist for people.
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tell me how is it rational or reality to believe that complex organisms and all of creation is by random chance or that the universe occured out of nothing.
Isn't that the biblical explanation of creation.That god created the universe out of nothing? Since in the beggining there was only god. I think your confused.
So, the whole concept of existing out of physical reality renders thinking about cause and effect and guilt futile, because all is set and it is his fault!
The same with the concept of omnipotence. He could do things which would enable himself which is a contradiction. He could create a rock so heavy he could not lift it which then again contradicts his omnipotence.
Seeing a god as a first cause, just takes it one step further and makes us ask, where does god come from? God concept is no help.
to elaborate, God can still be argued as good or righteous not contradicting himself as he allows free will, which allows evil, yet he can still maintain his integrity by punishing that evil in the end. God cannot be everything. He cannot contradict himself, i.e. the heavy rock. God cannot be evil. God cannot lie, etc. One can argue that because he cannot contradict, he is God. The laws of time, space, logic, all point to the existence of God as it is the most rational explanation.
Why should a god punish evil? If he doesn't like it he can prevent it from happening. If he does allow it to happen he himself is evil, because he seems to enjoy to let it happen, maybe because he can punish afterwards. BTW: Why not punish before? It doesn't make a difference for him being outside of time and space, for him a future evil is already existing, so why not already punish? God makes no sense, when you look reasonably at the god concept, let aside the knowledge about our world we have
"God in His mercy provided a means of escaping the consequences of sin through the death of the perfect man, Christ Jesus. This was the same God who applied but one prohibition to our first parents, giving them all other things to freely enjoy. Sadly, man resisted God's grace and disdained his counsel, warranting God's judgment. In due season God will restore all things, but for now He is calling the arrogant to repentance, including the likes of FHB71.
It does makes sense, despite your intent to make a mockery out of it all. The snake, the tree, etc. were as literal as the nose on your face, etc. Obviously, the snake was the instrument/medium of Satan's communication and temptation.
I suppose you are one of those silly evolutionist who believe matter created, organized and progressed all on its own?
That's what I call absurd. Eternity could never produced the sexes via time and chance.
2. Fearing God, in the sense of "respecting" Him, or "reverencing" Him.
3. Fearing God, in the sense of being afraid of His rigteous indignation toward sin, can also be a healthy trait, driving the sinner away from sin and toward righteosness.
boy this guy has some serious issues.
Hitler was a brutal maniac with no reason to kill anyone other than blaming the Jews for World War 1.
The Hebrew people were slaves in Egypt and were promised by God land that would be theirs. I don't see any Americans spitting in our forefathers face for the genocide of native Americans. (Genocide is the wrong word for dawkins to be using when it comes to the bible. It's fulfillment of the promise God made)
conraddoavil 2 months ago
@conraddoavil What rubbish. Many Americans (myself included) do protest the way in which this country was founded through the bloodshed of Native Americans. The fact that I was born here long after and can't do anything about what happened is not my fault. But I can call it what it is--genocide. The ancient Israelites did the same thing.
nyscholartist 2 weeks ago
@conraddoavil Bull. If your God cannot do his own dirty work then he is a useless dictator much worse than Hitler. He is suppose to be all-powerful, and all-loving. Hitler wasnt. God could have snapped his fingers and gave everyone their own land peacefully. He didnt. He could have stopped Hitler. He didnt. Those stories are humans looking to justify genocide, nothing more. And ill bet they never imagined that 2000 years later people would still be gullible enough to believe it.
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TruthWatch 5 months ago
ISRAEL FOREVER AND EVER!
Tigertomany29 5 months ago
ISRAEL FOREVER AND EVER!
Tigertomany29 5 months ago
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"One who dies a Jew will be DAMNED." - St. Vincent Ferrer
"The Jews are ENEMIES OF GOD and foes of our holy religion." - St. Padre Pio
"Let no man think that he may for any reason whatsoever join the Masonic Sect, if he values his Catholic name and his eternal salvation as he ought to value them." - Pope Leo XIII, 1884
The New World Order is an absence of Jesus Christ as God.
Rome will be destroyed on August 17, 2011 for failing to preserve the Dogma.
FATIMAMOVEMENT d o t c o m
fatimamovement 8 months ago
,I think it may also prove helpful to some of the viewers here to try to evaluate many of the more strident claims of the anti-theist critique ("brights") from a ideological/ metaphysics perspective. Check out the recent article by Jackson Lears in the May 16, 2011 issue of the The Nation entitled "Same Old New Atheism" .The article offers a compelling analysis of Sam Harris' works. Consideration is given to general atheistic social perspectives
shieldsff 8 months ago
Bit like Islam Then In it
thenosurrender09 8 months ago
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JUDEO-CHRISTIAN IS LIKE SAYING CLEAN-FILTH?
FUCK THE (Mary & Jesus) HATING ZIONIST SCUM1
THE ENEMIES OF CHRIST WILL PAY THE PRICE FOR MURDERING THE SON OF GOD!
BURN IN ISRA-HELL!
truth801 11 months ago
It's not morally indistinguishable, because god told Joshua to do it! Come on, Dick!
Christians, are you with me on this one? It wasn't Josh's idea, it was god's! That makes it morally good to destroy all omen, women, children, and animals in the city. Go Josh, and go god!
kolonial72 11 months ago
You also have to be so desperate to get as many people as you can so that they can give the video thumbs up. Tisk tisk tisk. THAT is extremely desperate. Only 5% of the world's population are atheists. I mean, it's JUST pathetic.
Nashhinton 1 year ago
atheist youtubers sure do have too much time on their hands. Get a life. I bet most of these atheists are dorky grow men living in their mom's basement. Keep wasting your time insulting religions. That's right. Keep fantasizing about Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens. *rolls eyes*
Nashhinton 1 year ago
@Nashhinton so how come u have time to make comments? xtian vids outnumber atheist by hundreds! your point is stupid!
TheAUDIOARCADE 8 months ago
@TheAUDIOARCADE, You should all owe it to net neutrality to falsely thumb up atheist videos. Political correctness my ass. Tisk Tisk Tisk. :P
Nashhinton 8 months ago
@Nashhinton Everything you have said, does not merit a response.
mcm1345 6 months ago
Wow...just wow. Its amazing how children can be brainwashed. What a pity.
QuestionAll1 1 year ago
Those are Jewish values, not Christian values... Old Testament literalists among Christians are thankfully few and far between. If only the same could be said about Jews and Muslims regarding their primary scriptures, then we would be living in a much more peaceful world today... "Judeo-Christian" values is BTW an oxymoron and a 20th-century construct. There can be no shared set of values between worshippers of a tribal Jewish God and worshippers of the cosmopolitan Christian God...
unapologeticmind 1 year ago
@unapologeticmind You said "There can be no shared set of values between worshippers of a tribal Jewish God and worshippers of the cosmopolitan Christian God...".
Sir, the Old Testament is referring to EXACTLY the same God as the New Testament. The biblical God committed numerous atrocities and this cannot be ignored simply because you wish to euphemistically eliminate this part of the Bible. Also, slavery is condoned by God throughout the Bible....from Genesis to Revelation.
CynicalSkeptic1 10 months ago
@CynicalSkeptic1 I agree that it's a challenge for Christians to unite the seemingly separate Gods of the OT and the NT, but that's beside the point. Many things are challenging and contradictory in not only Christianity but in all religions. That's what theology is for, to resolve conflicts and contradictions. Thankfully, extremely few Christians take the OT literally and most don't even take the whole NT literally...
unapologeticmind 10 months ago
@unapologeticmind You said "Many things are challenging and contradictory in not only Christianity but in all religions."
That is exactly correct and the reason that I am no longer a Christian after being one for twenty years. There is no reason to believe in a religion which is based on a book that is so obviously inaccurate.
CynicalSkeptic1 10 months ago
@CynicalSkeptic1 Thank you for pointing this out very well said, and may I further add how many people have had to die over the thoughts and justifications these shitty stories inspired in humanity. Being that I am American Indian and live on a piss poor reservation, and you may be surprised to know we got the connections, real fast long how this Demonic Christian Doctrine and real life murder and torture is directly connected. Christian people will always be morally invalid and deranged.
selenadelos 10 months ago
Hitler coined the phrase "Big Lie" in 'Mein Kampf' to educate the primitive masses how the judeo-criminals rule over them thru psychological operations. The primitive masses fail to comprehend inside their simplistic minds how any people could be so wicked to carry out fraud on the massive scale which is how jewish absurdities such as the "Torah" and the "Holocaust" become accepted as truthful over time thru repetition. Perhaps not even 100,000 jewish deaths resulted from WW2.
ThePromiseOfPie 1 year ago
@Mnangagwa if he actually knew the context of this bible passage maybe he wouldnt spew this idiotic rhetoric!
lol
total
Ignorance of Gods Word!
totally laughable!
Pfff!!
FLIPWORLDUPSIDEDOWN 1 year ago
@FLIPWORLDUPSIDEDOWN Then tell us about the context of the given bible passage which makes it more acceptable and not so bad.
I think it is funny when I hear Christians, or other religious people, excuse a passage from their holy book, by saying it was taken out of context, instead of providing the context it was supposedly taken out of context from.
Usually you guys never deliver the context, because you already know, that the context does not make it any better.
Lying for your religion
mhrby1985 1 year ago
@mhrby1985 the thing is why should we have to do all the work for you? if you truly want to know the truth it should be up to you to study it for yourself to see if it is true or not...
the main problem is you are LAZY! and dont want to have to answer to a holy God..so you say the things you say without backing it up with proof or intelligence...
so...
GO BACK TO SLEEP!
FLIPWORLDUPSIDEDOWN 1 year ago
@FLIPWORLDUPSIDEDOWN
The point is that those who belive in ID and want it to be taught and accepted as scientific, are refusing to do the work they should with their work, but instead rely on manipulation of the masses through media outlets, instead of trying to prove their the position is right.
The reason I asked you guys to find those, is because THEY DO NOT EXIST, to demonstrate my point, but I guess I went over your simple-minded head, but what else could I expect?
mhrby1985 1 year ago
@FLIPWORLDUPSIDEDOWN And it is not my job to prove a negative; I cannot prove that no research actually exist, but you can prove that some does and that it has been peer-reviewed through a highly credited and recognized scientific journal after having gone through peer-review.
Likewise, if I claimed that humans and apes shared a common ancestors, it would not be your job to prove the negative, i.e. prove that we didn't, no, I would have to show you all the different evidence, which does exist
mhrby1985 1 year ago
@FLIPWORLDUPSIDEDOWN But I think it is the top of hypocrazy that you think that I am the lazy one.
I have actually bothered to research the subject, and unlike you, I have not just ignored the subject and continued my life by assuming that whatever story I heard when I was young is the true one.
You are the lazy one, afraid to find the truth, because deep down, you know, that if you actually did research this, you would have to end up changing your mind, and that is change you are afraid of
mhrby1985 1 year ago
@FLIPWORLDUPSIDEDOWN Oh, and finally, just because you have not yet woken up and seen reality, does not mean those of us who have, should go back to sleep and the dream-world that you live in, constructed by your faith in the untrue
mhrby1985 1 year ago
I think this makes a truly damning case against religion.
Although I do think any in-depth study of religion could tell you this sort of stuff. It's bronze age stuff, and people in the bronze age would be considered barbaric by modern standards.
Shavarnarak 1 year ago
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@Shavarnarak wow! compelling evidence!
lol
'you better wake up and do some real research..before it's too late..
The Bible is more correct then you could ever imagine..Humble yourself before the Holy God and ask Him for guidance on these matters...if you truly are searching that is..otherwise..just go back to sleep!
FLIPWORLDUPSIDEDOWN 1 year ago
it's amazing how people would devote their lives to a "religion" and they don't even know where religion comes from...take a look around...every fucken culture has a "religion". It's also stupid to argue with out religoin people would just go out there and start "robbing" "murdering" and "sleeping with other people's wives"....because we have LAWS carried out by police...that's why it won't happen and besides most people are not born to act as such...but like all animals we can be pushed to
dalecampbl9 1 year ago
youtube.com/watch?v=k4nt4U7YGaI&feature=related
marvelstryfe 1 year ago
If he has an issue with the Bible and that there are stories that do not show morality I suggest one of two things: 1) Take up your issue with Athanasius, bishop of Alexandria. 2) Or use your brain and dont read those books to your children until they get older and have a better mental grasp of the subject!
Muzzinator89 1 year ago
@Muzzinator89 so how do you suggest which stories of the bible we should pick and choose from and interpret in so many different ways. the bible is a book of fables and mythologies. people say well its not suppose to be taken literally. alright, so jesus wasn't real and neither is god, they are not to be taken literally.
kiddhitta 1 year ago
@kiddhitta Prove it!!
FLIPWORLDUPSIDEDOWN 1 year ago
@FLIPWORLDUPSIDEDOWN prove what?
kiddhitta 1 year ago
@kiddhitta your statement...what else ? come on use your head or don't comment!
FLIPWORLDUPSIDEDOWN 1 year ago
@FLIPWORLDUPSIDEDOWN how do i prove what stories are suppose to be taken literally? if you believe you know what ones to take literally, why dont you tell me which ones and how you know.
kiddhitta 1 year ago
@Muzzinator89
hahahah it doesn't take a technician to "mentally grasp" the destruction of men, women, and children and understand the obsurd justification of "bad joo joo" or "being cursed" or "being unclean" as warrent to butcher babies and steal property from others. How dare you. Your mind isn't bigger or in any way better than anybody else's. The bible is myth, and it's protagonists and antagonists distinctions are greatly blurred.
evilnomad111 1 year ago
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@evilnomad111 prove your claims!
FLIPWORLDUPSIDEDOWN 1 year ago
...what ever happened to real estate agents moving people off property?
Stupid genocidal half-wits. I'm Arab and I DISPROVE of genocide.
truthb4liesalibies 1 year ago
@truthb4liesalibies Islam is a joke!
Tigertomany29 5 months ago
Very good point made here. What is the difference between Joshua conquering Jericho and the hijackers who flew airplanes into the WTC? It is only moral if you accept the mission of one person or the other as a direct command from God. Basically, if it is in the holy text, it automatically becomes moral.
TheMrDeist 1 year ago
Excellent study! It demonstrates remarkably well
drche420 1 year ago
Why would you ask a young child who has not yet read the bible for themselves about a specific account in the bibe, do the tests on adults and i bet your results change durastically.
Astonisher63 1 year ago
@Astonisher63 thats the whole point dumbass.... that is WHY it was done on children!!!!!!!! are you really that stupid ? and hello the results would not have been different with adults.... the control groups would definitely be similar and the other group would probably be the same as well as long as it is done in christian/jewish state. Your stupidity astounds me
DiosanXaquerry 1 year ago
@DiosanXaquerry So your saying that the whole point of the study was to ask childrend who haven't even really learned the background of those accounts in which they were asked? He also said in another statement that we tell children that they are Christian. That couldn't be more false. All we do is teach them about the Bible and let them form their own opinions. We also don't tell them that they are going to Hell.
Astonisher63 1 year ago
@Astonisher63 and you know whats even more hilarious... that most christians seem to think that most atheist dont understand or have any personal experience of christianity... when the exact opposite is true.... I know, I know.... it is hard for you to accept that other people would have the same knowledge and experience of christianity and see it as bull shit.... but that is just something your going to have to live with as a christian... or better yet you could open your eyes and see as well
DiosanXaquerry 1 year ago
@DiosanXaquerry Thats actually a well known fact in the Christian community. I know a few atheists who have read the Bible multiple times. Every time I have a theological discussion I always keep an open mind to what they are saying. I never get angry durring a discussion either because the only thing that shows is that I don't know what I'm talking about and don't want to lose the debate.
Astonisher63 1 year ago
wait did the invasion of canaan happen or not? i thought that actually happen.
equallyeasilyfuqyou 2 years ago
holy shit there is no real evidence for the joshua of the bible ever existing. i seriously thought that the story of the invasion of canaan was a real event in history.
goes to show you
equallyeasilyfuqyou 2 years ago
OMG im an athiest
nelsonmouse 2 years ago
I love christian chics, they will do ANYTHING! :)
slippy441 2 years ago
lol, My dad went to catholic school in the 60's and they were forbidden by the school to associate with Protestant "whores." What makes that even funnier is that the Catholic chicks put out quite a bit, too.
infectingthecrypts 1 year ago
@infectingthecrypts
-protestant whores let you were latex, no pregnancy fears.
tictactoechicken123 1 year ago
@slippy441 you got that right as long as you dont tell them you dont believe in god... which is beyond stupid... but who cares
DiosanXaquerry 1 year ago
@DiosanXaquerry Ha yeah. In highschool my mother wanted me to date this fairly hot girl from church and set us up. Thought I needed a "good christian girl" as opposed to the ones in my group.
Took her to see Armageddon and she wanted me to finger her right there in the theater lol. I probably would have kept dating her...but she was fucking pregnant! lol at 15 yrs old. She was skinny and not showing yet but I wasnt ready for that shit. haha good Ol' christian values!
slippy441 1 year ago
@slippy441 Ha... the church girls are always the horniest... I had a girl ask me to sit next to her in church and proceeded to take my "meeting bag" (leather breif case) and place accross both our legs, thus obscuring anyones view and grab my hand and push it under her skirt... even though even then i knew i was an atheist, that was still too much for me.
DiosanXaquerry 1 year ago
There always going to be nutjobs in every freaking religion, why do people post these lame "Look, it's not just religion x, religion y does this too!!!" Like no, freaking kidding.
ihateneveen 2 years ago
@ihateneveen because the point is that all religions are stupid...... how you are not getting that i dont know
DiosanXaquerry 1 year ago
Wow, my reading on my custom made religious-hate-o-metre just broke the limit! Didn't think that was possible before.
frankystein12 2 years ago
This video really doesn't surprise me. It just goes to show that when genocide coincides with scripture...it becomes "OK". But killing people without claiming that it's for religion is a bad thing. I just can't believe that this is what people teach their children. So sad...
gcdcman81 2 years ago 2
I find the fact that people can be enthused to think this way so easily severely disturbing and I find the fact that it seemed to be so common even more disturbing.
TheHabbadasher 2 years ago
we jews have corrupted the christians bible haha if only they new the christians would see that the muzzies are right and if they join forces we are doomed again thank yhwh we have fooled them goyms
MsJewforlife 2 years ago
Wow. And there's people who teaches this crap to their children!
MastermindX 2 years ago 4
The first requisite for the happines of the people is the abolition of religion.
marlin187 2 years ago
But the love of god is..... nevermind.
Dawkins is always so refreshing.
hellhammerz666 2 years ago
Compelling evidence against religion
Mnangagwa 2 years ago 38
@Mnangagwa theists are master deniers of reality.
supersmash43 1 year ago
Bravo, mr Dawkins. That's exactly what most christians doesn't know, or wish to know. The imaginary judeo-christian values are nothing else but a rip-off from the secular world.
The real judeo-christian "values" are murder, theft, genocide, rape and delusions of grandeur, summarized under the umbrella of "love" ;)
May those beasts disappear soon!
armelix73 2 years ago 8
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JUYANIK 2 years ago
So we are racist for being against women and children being massacured? You sir are deluded.
seonf 2 years ago 8
You stupid moron! What has this discussion to do with the state of Israel, hmm? Are you naturally stupid or just pretend to be a muslim?
armelix73 2 years ago
Israel is one of the most patient nations around, it is surrounded by nations that hate it and that occasionally rocket bomb it yet it stays relatively calm. If someone kept throwing bombs in your backyard, you'd want to throw stuff back at them, wouldn't you?
freakyphysicsguy 2 years ago
Britain's Lord Balfour gave the Jews the land of Palestine saying it was 'a land without people for a people without land' but that was a lie. Gradually the Zionists stole more and more of the land until today the Palestinians have only 22 per cent of their original land. It is not the best of the original land but the worst. The Palestinians say, OK well settle for this 22%, but Israel wants all of it. The Palestinians tried peace. They tried negotiations. Then they try these bombs.
archdeaconj 2 years ago
I did not know that, which I hate to admit since usually I dislike uninformed debaters (as such, I will not try to debate this issue until I have more information). I knew some general details, but not all of that. I have no idea what should be done about the situation, but I can guarantee that whatever is done will piss off quite a few people.
freakyphysicsguy 2 years ago
Thank you. Your words have the ring of intelligence and openness. Try, if possible, to go to independent sources, ideally primary sources, for your information (by which I mean academic researchers, independent investigative journalists and the like, rather than mainstream, corporate media). This is what I try to do. I dont know what should be done about the situation either. Its just awful.
archdeaconj 2 years ago
@archdeaconj bravo... thank you for saying this.. it is so true
DiosanXaquerry 1 year ago
Look... its just a little bit odd that most Jewish people i have meant seem to be far more sensible than the xtians i have met. Do you realise that xtians believe that we are about to get hammered by an 11 horned dragon? If you understand that 45% of israelis do not believe in a jewish ubermensh control of their region then you would understand that jewish people do not conform to your ridiculous statement
foathkent 2 years ago
Judaism is racism.
Thats why Jews hate non-Jews (Goyim) soo much.
madams99 2 years ago
Don't trust any group which has a special name for people outside its group that isn't a simple negation of its own label. Gentiles, civilians, infidels, textiles, straights, laity, commoners. If anybody tells you that you joined the opposing club by default you just know you have to watch the bastards very carefully. Creating a special out-group label is a sign of dangerous thought patterns, there's no special label for people who don't play golf. The label is step one, it makes hating easier.
MartinJWillett 2 years ago 2
You forgot one label that one group frequently uses. "Men"
morphingjar 2 years ago
That's pretty damn compelling.
pulvinosophist 2 years ago
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Don't listen to this ignorant fools comments because he has no background in Islam, all he has is a translation of the Quran and he tries to understand it according to his own mind, obviously he makes a lot of mistakes and does not know he is making mistakes.
I gave him some reliable information and he denied to read it because he thinks that somehow Makkah is the only place for Islamic knowledge.
Don't listen to this piece of filth, just treat him as a spammer
aminul1984 3 years ago
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ISLAM4THICKONES:
This coward user tried to argue with me about Islam, he thinks he knows islam better than me, and I am a born Muslim and have studied it under various scholars and imams.
He says that his knowledge of Islam comes from just Makkah but he does not understand that Islam is worldwide and there are many different scholars out there, in fact one of them called Bukhari was not an arab.
cont...
aminul1984 3 years ago
What a brilliant experiment. Once again, we see that logic, thought, and intelligence are the enemies of religious beliefs. Is it truly a wonder that religious people consistently score lower on I.Q. tests than atheists? Is that really still surprising to anyone? Statistical data from over a century of comparative testing paints a clear, undeniable picture with a single, unquestionable answer; religious... people...are...stupid. Plain and simple.
Celephaith 3 years ago 6
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That's interesting, because the smartest people throughout history have been religious (ie, just for one example, do you know the name 'Einstein'?). I agree with you only on the point that this was a very good experiment.
bKiwiD 3 years ago
"If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it." - Albert Einstein
arshsingh1984 3 years ago 6
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"In view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human mind, am able to recognize, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what makes me really angry is that they quote me for support of such views." -Albert Einstein
bKiwiD 3 years ago
That isn't to say that all religious people are stupid, and all non-religious people are smart. There are, of course, exceptions to every rule. (C.S. Lewis comes to mind as someone both religious and brilliant.) But it is also important to note that one must go further and further into to the past to find a significant proportion of intelligent religious people. This is due to modern science making religion appear more and more silly, thus the most brilliant minds today tend to be atheist.
Celephaith 3 years ago 3
I think carkl sagan said it best. . . At a dinner many decades ago, the physicist Robert W. Wood was asked to respond to the toast, 'To physics and metaphysics'. By 'metaphysics', people then meant something like philosophy, or truths you could recognize just by thinking about them. They could also have included pseudoscience. Wood answered along these lines: the physicist has an idea. The more he thinks it through, the more sense it seems to make. He consults the scientific literature. . .
NewspeakDictionary 2 years ago
. . . The more he reads, the more promising the idea becomes. Thus prepared, he goes to the laboratory and devises an experiment to test it. The experiment is painstaking. Many possibilities are checked. The accuracy of measurement is refined, the error bars reduced. He lets the chips fall where they may. He is devoted only to what the experiment teaches. At the end of all this work, through careful experimentation, the idea is found to be worthless. . .
NewspeakDictionary 2 years ago 4
. . .So the physicist discards it, frees his mind from the clutter of error, and moves on to something else. The difference between physics and metaphysics, Wood concluded as he raised his glass high, is not that the practitioners of one are smarter than the practitioners of the other. The difference is that the metaphysicist has no laboratory.
NewspeakDictionary 2 years ago 4
@NewspeakDictionary
-well, as time passes, the realm of metaphysics shrinks, as our knowledge gives us the ability to test once untestable concepts.
tictactoechicken123 1 year ago
@NewspeakDictionary Amen. Don't know if anybody could have put it more eloquently than you. Cheers.
LucrativeLucius 1 year ago
"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it." From a letter Einstein wrote in English, dated 24 March 1954. It is included in Albert Einstein: The Human Side.
Celephaith 3 years ago 5
its all bullshit, no matter what its called
styrmirr86 3 years ago
Oh?So you have some REAL proof then?I guessed not.
BeerLobster 3 years ago
Im not sure what you mean. I was not offering proof i was pointing out the fact that religion has an unfair status in our societies and that is bullshit. Some crackpot teachings (i wont dignify them with the word theories) that have not but retarded the progress of our civilization
styrmirr86 3 years ago 7
Oh okay.I see,religion is indeed polluting the world.Thanks for replying.
BeerLobster 3 years ago
"Judeo-Christian" is merely a Zionist propaganda term.
Judaism is not the religion of the Old Testament.
Judaism is a religion based on the Babylonian Talmud.
neothomist1275 3 years ago
I think the most sadistic of all mechanisms is nature her-self.
saltydog78 3 years ago
What would a Freudian analyst think about someone who called themselves peterpounder?
Sounds sinful.
jamesrobertdobbs 3 years ago
Christianity is just a punishment cult.
sa·do·mas·och·ism : the derivation of pleasure from the infliction of physical or mental pain either on others or on oneself.
God, sadist, Jesus, masochist who also enjoyed making threats to burn people. Some very sick shit goin' down in religionland.
jamesrobertdobbs 3 years ago
So, all punishment is unjust? What kind of world would this be if we followed your line of reasoning. Your inability to acknowledge the nature of sin, as well as God's righteousness, hinders you from processing the matter properly. Sin must be judged, and God, the ultimate judge, will deal with sin.
peterpulpitpounder 3 years ago
You are victim of a twisted cult that is overly focused on punishment. See a psychiatrist.
jamesrobertdobbs 3 years ago 2
Your charge is unfounded. Why don't you go hug a rapist and give him the, "I'm okay, you're okay," line of crap that has been a detriment society. I'm not advocating violence, but there is certainly a place for retribution and judgment, and God ultmately judge all things.
peterpulpitpounder 3 years ago
According to god's word, a rape victim must marry the rapist. There is no punishment for the rapist. This is extremely sick as usual with bible morality.
Deuteronomy 22:28-29
28If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; 29Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.
jamesrobertdobbs 3 years ago 3
The following regulations of which you quote were specific to God's covenant relationship with ancient Israel. Various consequences were to be applied to various situations, as noted prior to this text. With virtually no welfare available, food stamps, etc., the man was obligated to marry and take care of the woman. There were other cultural particulars relating to the command given, of which you have given no consideration.
peterpulpitpounder 3 years ago
"God's covenant relationship with ancient Israel" So in those days, God favored rewarding the rapist and forcing the victim to suffer by becoming the property of the rapist for the cost of a little silver.
Leviticus 5:8 explains that god wants to have a small bird's head ripped of and its blood sprinkled around an alter. Makes you want to vomit doesn't it. Are you really that sick? Is that behavior excusable? How could someone be compelled to do something so disgusting vicious and cruel.
jamesrobertdobbs 3 years ago 4
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"Leviticus 5:8 explains that god wants to have a small bird's head ripped of and its blood sprinkled around an alter. Makes you want to vomit doesn't it?"
It doesn't to anyone who understands its spiritual significants, in that it foreshadowed the coming one, the Lord Jesus, who would shed His blood for the sins of the world. It was a shadow pointing to the greater substance. What, are you some brainwashed PETA member?
peterpulpitpounder 3 years ago
No, I think he was trying to make a point about the absurdity of believing in a benevolent deity that likes to see his own beloved creations killed in various rituals of his own choosing. Benevolent my ass.
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I am personally egging on the IDF to kill and main as many Palestinians as possible AND for lots of Israeli soldiers to be maimed, kidnapped and tortured. Why? so we can fast track the Christian Self-Fulfilling Prophesy of their Obsession=Apocalypse/Armageddo n. THAT AT LEAST THEY MAY ACHIEVE HAPPINESS! You know how egotistical the God of Abraham is, 'He' needs to have 'Da' temple rebuilt were Al Aqsa Mosque sits today regardless how much blood has to flow! Oh! People of Faith They KILL me : (
tainoaz 3 years ago
"... spiritual significance, in that it foreshadowed the coming one, the Lord Jesus, who would shed His blood for the sins of the world... What, are you some brainwashed PETA member?"
Seriously? So, because some other guy was going to be brutally murdered and glorified for it, it's now ok to decapitate birds and pour their blood around rocks? You only have to be human to see the sickness of that, PETA, or otherwise. That you support that is deplorable.
Sack42 3 years ago
Oh, that made me chuckle.
Someone who belives the bible is rightous and filled with moral and that it is litterarily true, calling someone else brainwashed.
Peterpulpitpounder is clearly a work of art, unfortunately he probarly will never understand why he is so laughable
mhrby1985 2 years ago 3
If the children cited in the test had been oppressed, battered and tormented by the inhabitants of Jericho, I wonder how they would have answered under such an environment? The people of Jericho were grossly wicked, and their destruction was of divine decree. It was specific in nature and limited in scope. Dawkins, like many others, likes to put twist on the everything he reads in the Bible.
Fear and obey God. That's my advice to you all.
peterpulpitpounder 3 years ago
You, my friend Peter, are the reason we need people like Dawkins today.
I was brought up on Christian cultary, and yes, Jericho was of 'divine' nature. Until you realize that every stoned homosexual and deviant child was also of 'divine' nature, as was every rape of a woman to avoid men laying with men, being 'divine' in nature.
When you read the Bible with open eyes, you realize that this 'divine' nature is more absurd than anything else we hold true today.
Death is NEVER divine.
DeadlyChinchilla 3 years ago
Bible, Quran and other holy books were written by people. It is fact that Jesus, Mohamed, Krishna, Buddha did not write any holy books. Texts were amended many times and here we have the current version. We all know some of the holy books are certainly not holy. Murder, killing, immoral activities, threats all in name of god. What a God.
Lies told over and over again over thousands of years become the truth. But is it really the truth or are the people deluded?
leow100 3 years ago 5
Sunday is for going to church.....the rest of the time we like to either murder doctors, picket or bomb abortion clinics....(in god's name of course)
See the documentary Jesus Camp for insight into religious zealotry. It can be found on youtube in an 8 part series.
Further, speak out against religious extremism and related phenomena. These poor people live in a world of darkness and ignorance. Very sad....
perfectbark 3 years ago 2
leow, your absolutely right. Religion's aim is to make people ignorant and obedient so that their masters can manipulate and control them. We see it in politics unfortunantly
saltydog78 3 years ago
Someday God will bring everyone to their knees.
And when he does, he will want an account for Your life.
Get your shots in while you can. You only have 80 years in this life to disprove your fate.
vfgzhejdtfyguhj 3 years ago
The Bible is truly the most evil piece of puerile mythical filth ever writ.
ludachris475 3 years ago 3
Yup, parts of the Bible DO sound disturbingly similar in tone to Hitler's "Mein Kampf", do they not?
robfox66 3 years ago 2
This guy is a genius, which is why theists fear and loathe him.
elperropatron 3 years ago 4
BRAVO!! Well said Professor Dawkins and an excellent observation of comparison.
saltydog78 3 years ago 4
the whole thing about keep the virgins...parts of old testament outlaw adultery and rape so its not to be a sex slave or anything. reason for killing non virgins was god wanted to punish the women who were held responsible for seducing the jewish men in the past and causing them to worship another god. not saying that this is all fine and dandy but giving more clarity and context to subject.
Johnkim510 3 years ago
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i agree there is alot of brutality in old testament that is endorsed by God. Now it's not that christians pick and choose but it's that you make a conclusion based on reading the entire bible old and new testament and understand context, etc.
Johnkim510 3 years ago
What context?
It is either the word of God or it is not.
And some of the facts in the old testament, as well as in the new, are unjustifiable by modern civilization regardless of context.
Genocide, rape, slavery. Give me a context where you find any of these justifiable.
Has modern civilization surpassed God in terms of moral and ethic values?
rouey 3 years ago 7
you seem to be stuck in the old testament, have a look at the new testement
ace1059 3 years ago
I did. Apart from being incoherent and never contradicting the "old one", I find the story of an all powerfull God, who sends his son to be tortured and murdered in the name of something very loosely defined, with his attitudes never producing any measureable consequences and only spread for the political interests of a roman emperor, tasteless, to say the least.
rouey 3 years ago
haha tasteless! its the greatest sacrifice, and supposedly he did for everyone even you, haha damnn
ace1059 3 years ago
Supposedly. Yes. I hope next time a god's son, or god himself, or whatever you think the dude was, if he ever existed, asks me before he puts me into a debt for something I did not ask for and that I can not pay in my lifetime. But wait, are those not the sort of behaviours of totalitarian dogmas, like the ones still existing today in the darkest corners of the planet - convincing people that they are evil and then offering the only way to salvation, or is it just me?
rouey 3 years ago 6
Great observation, rouey! I'm afraid your analogy is accurate too... :-(
jackjohn6921 3 years ago
fantastic response.
GuitaristAlways 4 years ago
fantastic commentary.
GuitaristAlways 4 years ago
God turned himself into his own son so he could be tortured to death to forgive and save a few of the billions of people he was going to torture for all eternity (in his eternal loving kindness) because the first man and woman, thousands of years ago were tempted by a talking snake to eat some fruit making billions of their descendants guilty in the process. If that makes sense, vote Republican.
jamesrobertdobbs 4 years ago 4
Even worse: God (as the holy ghost) impregnated Mary with himself (as Jesus) to be killed to please himself :-)
The same god who was so kind to put deadly traps (the two trees) into paradise of which one is not so deadly at all.
After he is not pleased with humanity he doesn't just snap his fingers and make everything right again, no, he floods the earth and kills almost everbody.
To me it sounds like he is playing with humans. What a despisable person....
I am proud to be an atheist.
FHB71 3 years ago
God (being omniscient) knew before he created anything that everything would happen the way it has. Including the apple business with the talking snake. In his wisdom and mercy he created tapeworms, child abuse, addiction, schizophrenia, cancer, war, starvation, torturers, (being omnipotent he could have created anything) axe murderers, plagues of much variety, grinding poverty, earthquakes, childhood leukemia, and Reaganomics. And he made it all from nothing by magic. Why? Because he loves us.
jamesrobertdobbs 3 years ago
And that exactly is why I am proud to be an atheist. Such a god is highly irrational and illogical and most of all paradox.
FHB71 3 years ago
The fact of God's perfect creation going bad does not necessarily assume his imperfection as he has the ability to turn bad into good by a final outcome or judgement. We see the evil here and now, but the end of time hasn't yet reached its peak, in which case, God may be able to rectify a situation and still come out on top. We can also argue that he may allow evil to exist for a greater good, such as free will, etc.
Johnkim510 3 years ago
Do you think this is sick or do you approve?
If you approve you need psychiatric care.
14And if the burnt sacrifice for his offering to the LORD be of fowls, then he shall bring his offering of turtledoves, or of young pigeons. 15And the priest shall bring it unto the altar, and wring off his head, and burn it on the altar; and the blood thereof shall be wrung out at the side of the altar: Leviticus 1:14-15
jamesrobertdobbs 3 years ago
i don't approve of that now but I can understand why they did what they did in the past. And if you are going to point out ethical questionability from the bible, I think you could have found something a lot worse than killing animals.
Johnkim510 3 years ago
True. The worst example is Jesus. We have a person who wants to be a god, and repeatedly threatens to burn those who won't worship him. He is the type of person who would threaten to pour gasoline on people and set them on fire. Forever. Luke 3:17 "with unquenchable fire"
Mt. 18:8etc. Eternal torture is the most evil idea ever created by anyone(Jesus).2nd most evil idea is send your own son to be tortured to death as a human sacrifice. Nothing lower than the bible when it comes to being evil.
jamesrobertdobbs 3 years ago
Actually, most people would think it to be reasonable to believe in some kind of punishment in the afterlife, considering characters like hitler, serial killers, etc. Jesus claimed to be God and claimed that humanity is spiritually sick in need of him as he claims to be the cure, offering this as a free choice to salvation. Of course, if you don't think you are sinful in anyway, then it's going to be hard to believe this.
Johnkim510 3 years ago
If a punishment in the afterlife is the thing keeping you from being evil, then you are a very unpleasant person. Jesus was only one of many who were claiming to be the messia. "The life of Brian" is closer to the truth than the bible in that respect (that is what historians say). There is good and there is evil in the world and we need and have rules in our societies and we learn from our past. There is no reason to have a god, we can do it very good on our own.
FHB71 3 years ago 4
actually, mainstream christianity teaches that people are to be motivated to be "good" out of love and appreciation for Christ's sacrifice for them. You acknowledge the existence of good and evil, where does it come from. moral law must have moral law maker or creater.
Johnkim510 3 years ago
This is actually a falsehood.
It is better to think for yourself and arrive at moral conclusions than it is to simply accept them from an outside source. People should indeed be motivated to do good out of a love for others, but attributing that love to an arbitrary literary figure like jesus adds nothing to ethical value of any act.
Atheists are frequently moral people, and christians are frequently amoral people.
atomicmatt3 3 years ago 2
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wow yes. most pedos are athiests. the only reason there was a scandal with priests was because of them being the least expected to be pedos. you are a fag of the highest degree.
Anomanderus 3 years ago
Fag have degrees now?
I must have missed a meeting...
chunga668 3 years ago
hitler proves you dead wrong.
Anomanderus 3 years ago
Hitler used the religiously based hatred against jews.
FHB71 3 years ago 4
Excellent......well said.
perfectbark 3 years ago
To believe that God exists is to believe in your first miracle as "God" cannot be seen or measured within physical reality. Considering that the existence of God is the only rational explanation to life's complexity, you would have to then be open to the possibility that this "creator" can manipulate space and time.
Johnkim510 3 years ago
If a god existed outside of our physical reality, cause and effect would have no meaning for him. That would even make it worse, he would see "the whole picture" over time, it would enable him to pull the strings and influence history. He makes all the evil and suffering in the world and if he would do that he would be the biggest possible misanthrop.Most of all it would not explain, why he would be angry, when we don't follow his rules, he would know up front and could fix it before it happens.
FHB71 3 years ago
When I mean physical reality, I am referring to the materialist world including laws of physics, mathematics, etc. Outside of reality does not mean that he cannot be a part of it or has no relation to it. He can go in and out of our physical world. Cause and effect are non material realities that exist as God exists. God did not make evil, but did allow this "effect" to occur possibly for a greater purpose so that free will can exist for people.
Johnkim510 3 years ago
You are bending our reality so far that it becomes obscure, only to fit in a god, whereas it perfectly works without a god.
Being open minded about things is a good virtue, but one shouldn't be so open minded that the brain falls out :-)
FHB71 3 years ago 3
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tell me how is it rational or reality to believe that complex organisms and all of creation is by random chance or that the universe occured out of nothing.
Johnkim510 3 years ago
Isn't that the biblical explanation of creation.That god created the universe out of nothing? Since in the beggining there was only god. I think your confused.
rahungry 3 years ago 4
So, the whole concept of existing out of physical reality renders thinking about cause and effect and guilt futile, because all is set and it is his fault!
The same with the concept of omnipotence. He could do things which would enable himself which is a contradiction. He could create a rock so heavy he could not lift it which then again contradicts his omnipotence.
Seeing a god as a first cause, just takes it one step further and makes us ask, where does god come from? God concept is no help.
FHB71 3 years ago
to elaborate, God can still be argued as good or righteous not contradicting himself as he allows free will, which allows evil, yet he can still maintain his integrity by punishing that evil in the end. God cannot be everything. He cannot contradict himself, i.e. the heavy rock. God cannot be evil. God cannot lie, etc. One can argue that because he cannot contradict, he is God. The laws of time, space, logic, all point to the existence of God as it is the most rational explanation.
Johnkim510 3 years ago
Why should a god punish evil? If he doesn't like it he can prevent it from happening. If he does allow it to happen he himself is evil, because he seems to enjoy to let it happen, maybe because he can punish afterwards. BTW: Why not punish before? It doesn't make a difference for him being outside of time and space, for him a future evil is already existing, so why not already punish? God makes no sense, when you look reasonably at the god concept, let aside the knowledge about our world we have
FHB71 3 years ago
free human will cannot exist without allowing evil to exist. it's called free choice. Would u rather we all be robots.
Johnkim510 3 years ago
Let's rewrite your comment:
"God in His mercy provided a means of escaping the consequences of sin through the death of the perfect man, Christ Jesus. This was the same God who applied but one prohibition to our first parents, giving them all other things to freely enjoy. Sadly, man resisted God's grace and disdained his counsel, warranting God's judgment. In due season God will restore all things, but for now He is calling the arrogant to repentance, including the likes of FHB71.
peterpulpitpounder 3 years ago
You are being ridiculous.
FHB71 3 years ago
"If that makes sense, vote Republican."
It does makes sense, despite your intent to make a mockery out of it all. The snake, the tree, etc. were as literal as the nose on your face, etc. Obviously, the snake was the instrument/medium of Satan's communication and temptation.
I suppose you are one of those silly evolutionist who believe matter created, organized and progressed all on its own?
That's what I call absurd. Eternity could never produced the sexes via time and chance.
peterpulpitpounder 3 years ago
Do you fear God? Do you love God?
jamesrobertdobbs 3 years ago
Both are healthy traits.
1. Loving God with all your heart.
2. Fearing God, in the sense of "respecting" Him, or "reverencing" Him.
3. Fearing God, in the sense of being afraid of His rigteous indignation toward sin, can also be a healthy trait, driving the sinner away from sin and toward righteosness.
peterpulpitpounder 3 years ago