if installed on a newer car the computer should be able to compensate and raise the amount of fuel to match the increase in air the problem is that it needs to be able to vary the speed of the fan because 5PSI is useless at idle turbos and superchargers both increase speed as engine speed increases
lol the one he got in the mail is just a boat blower (not made for cars) and is someone trying to make some money off unsuspecting buyers. The one he has on the screen is the tes from gte and is the best electric super charger on the market. it gives 5psi of boost. the tes is offical but retails fo like $275 or so
@sukbum1 Are you sure that the GTE electric supercharger makes 5 psi of pressure. I have done my own testing with similar electric supercharger axial fans and I did not get anywhere close to 5 psi. Fans are poor for producing pressure by themselves let alone producing pressure on an engine.
What you are holding (in the video) could more likely be the compressor part of your intake kit. It would be really dumb to have a fan hooked up to a tube as you think, and it's hard to imagine anyone can sell something like that in America.
the fans and the motors from porffesional remote control airplanes seem like they'd work better. a model jet engine can put down about 30-50lbs of thrust. those model engines cost a fortune however. about as much as a kenne bell or vortech.
@hasnachos Problem is there is no compression. Without compression there will not be a significant increase in power, maybe gain 2 to 3 HP with a fan. EDF do not compress air, only blows air into an engine to temporaily relieve intake restrictions. The air will not begin to compress it will just pass back throught the fan blades, 30-50lbs of thrust from a EDF is not the same as 30-50 pounds per square inch(psi) from a supercharger/turbo compressor.
I cant find it anywhere so I am going to ask - did you do it? if yes was it worth it? are you still using it? if no would you do it if you had a proper one like in that picture?
@fixzy115 I will soon. I don't have a garage in Seattle and it has been awfully cold and wet. But I'm on my way to AZ and will do it there. I meant to do it sooner just things came up. And I couldn't find a Dyno shop that would cut me a deal, which I always had access to in Silicon Valley
@BlackwaterOpsDotCom What? You need more fuel in the cylinders to compensate for the extra air in order to keep the compression ratio correct. Otherwise you run too lean and cause detonation in a petrol, and in a diesel you loose power.
@scratchyrice Very rarely is the amount of fuel the limiting factor. Liquid being pumped under pressure is easy. Pulling air from the atmosphere, cleaning, routing and pressing it in to the cylinder is hard.
it's much easier to fill a bucket than to fill a tire.
@BlackwaterOpsDotCom I think there's a bit of a misunderstanding here lol. What I mean is as-well as increasing the airflow, to compensate you have to manually increase the amount of fuel that goes into the engine and ideally adjust the engine timing to suit. This is normally done through a remap or a tuning box. This isn't nessecary (but still ideal) with a new air filter, But with forced induction its a must.
@BlackwaterOpsDotCom That is what amueters think when adding a turbo to their engine. Not that this crap is a turbo. I laugh when people are told they need to add more fuel to their engine and they reply my fuel pump is big enough. Like the fuel pump is what limits the fuel going to your engine. When you add forced induction, you need to tune your engine which includes modifying your fuel map and timing. Your computer does not doe this for you automaticlly.
@BlackwaterOpsDotCom on the contrair in a forced induction system fuel frequently the limiting factor and a 12 gpm pump sounds strange most pumps are rated liters per hour. also to contradict your theory on carbs for a grandma car 300 cfm might be enough but most motors prefer 450 on up 600 is mediocre the idea of a supercharge relys on presurizing the air coming into your engine forcing more air into the cylinder at any given spark to match that you need more fuel AND
@anthonysean94 more spark the cure for that is a colder plug that dwells longer and/or gapping the plugs for the same effect. this "supercharger" i cannot see doing what it is touted to do its a fan which with a simple scoop or placement of the inlet tube close to air could generate the same if not better results. no actual pressure produced no gains which makes this simply a great drag on your electrical system.
@scratchyrice wait.... what? Air/fuel ratio has NOTHING to do with compression ratio. Injectors can usually compensate for increased air flow, especially with such a low difference in CFM. By the way, running lean does NOT cause detonation. Detonation is cause by an incorrect octane or ignition advanced too high.. It's called pre-ignition.
@drizzetsrevenge Sorry, it was a typo, I meant air/fuel ratio. Injectors will not compensate for much more than an air filter upgrade. Anything serious like proper forced induction, or even a good ram air intake will cause it to run lean. As for detonation, Running lean in a petrol causes excessive heat, Excessive heat causes detonation. Its the opposite in diesels, Running lean is good, but run too rich, your egt's get to high and you melt your pistons/valves,manifold and turbo vanes.
@drizzetsrevenge Just to clarify pre-ignition/detonation most certainly can occur in lean conditions in petrol's. It happens by igniting the mixture because of the excessive heat caused by a lean mix, before the piston reaches top dead center. The excessive heat acts as a spark plug in effect.
@bsoundpro Yes, Up to a certain point which is why its no problem with a simple intake upgrade like a high-flow filter or cold air feed. Manufacturers purposefully put limits on the maximum fuel amount in order to protect their interests. If you add a turbo or any real forced induction you will NEED to remap to change the maximum fueling and preferably timing. You stick a turbo or supercharger on a n/a car without doing this, you're just going to cause detonation.
@scratchyrice As long as you run 5 to 6 psi on a n/a car detonation should not be a problem. A real electric supercharger will produce a cooler charge helping to prevent detonation, plus retard ignition timing, and use a higher octane fuel.
@omega3677 Sorry, I come from a diesel tuning background. I am used to 15-16psi on 1.6's being the norm, 2.0's having 20-25psi being the norm (evo territory on a passenger car). I always forget petrol's have thinner engine blocks and can't take the higher pressures. Yes you're right, you wouldn't get detonation from that, but you would still be running lean so you would be missing out on power you could have and running the engine hotter than it could be if you just increased the fuel quantity.
@scratchyrice Yes, slightly lean within exceptable level on a gas n/a engine. 5 to 6 psi of pressure has been the industry safe standard for years and still proves to be safe for most modern cars. You will get the power increase from the increase pressure/airflow. Adding more fuel to that 5 to 6 psi with either larger injectors or a FMU will result in lower air charge temperatures and more horespower. I don't claim to be an expert but I know a few things.
@omega3677 "larger injectors or a FMU will result in lower air charge temperatures and more horespower".... so exactly what i was saying all along? You should add more fuel with the air, not just air alone for cooler temps and optimal bhp lol. Larger injectors allow more fuel to enter the engine.
@scratchyrice computer controls the fuel, when he say "more air, more power" he are right! because if you increase the intake air flow your MAP sensor will tell the computer to increase the fuel, basic rules on EFI.
A bilge pump will provide zero improvement and likely a loss. Some of these little fans are good for 8-10 horse but they usually draw like 10-12 amps. This is NOT one of those things. HAHA
@hellkat672 You don't understand. The power isn't coming from the motor, it's coming from the fuel, can't use a conversion directly like that. I see where you're going and you're right it would probably be a bit higher, but for instance I've seen those silly "E-supercharger" 'brand' make about 8 horse - around where they claim. Outside of that none of these things will produce ANY power whatsoever and you'd likely lose power.
@hellkat672 Not saying this will work, but your math doesn't work. a Cloth air filter draws no power, and can make 3-30 HP compared to a paper filter (if the cloth is also bigger and such)
@BlackwaterOpsDotCom Right, i understand that increasing flow to engine (by means of reducing the restriction of a paper filter and changing to a cloth filter) can increase horse power.
An electric fan will create a restriction unless it can supply more flow to the engine then the engine requires.Even if it could surpass that requirement, it can only help with reducing the pressure drop caused by airfilters.
@hellkat672 a fan that has a CFM rating greater then an engine must maintain that rating with the filter in-line. If flow is still greater then engine cfm requirement then in theory it would be like your running a restriction-less filter. Finding a fan that could push this flow under restriction would be much more expensive then just buying a high flow filter, and gains could be moot with electric parasitic drag.
@BlackwaterOpsDotCom oh, and yes your right, the math doesn't work. in hindsight i think i was just trying to troll the guy, but in the end i wanted to explain to sillychink how it would not be a good buy to purchase these thing.
@BlackwaterOpsDotCom ohhhh i see, i was going to put the boost gauge anyway so i can see the pressure i'm running at WOT or at half throttle. btw, what do i need to get to see the boost pressure from the OBD2 port?
@sillychink3293 you cant get boost from a simple fan, its impossible. True fan compressors are staged with tight fitting stators to compressor the air, like a commercial jet engine.
@sillychink3293 Look, if high CFM "Fan" could boost your car, then an industrial house fan would work (you can get up to 700 cfm from them!). But it doesn't because you need to compressor the air into the engine, not just move air. Unless the fan you are using looks like the inside of a airplane turbo fan (which has extremely tight stator tolerances) or looks like a real car turbo with an electric motor attached, your not going to get any boost.
@hellkat672 i was planning on using the one in the picture behind him by gte, they claim, "5psi per fan" i get exactly what you mean i'm guessing that the fan is just to improve air flow not to exactly boost, thanks for the heads up i'm going to avoid this path. thank you
@sillychink3293 Oh, i dident answer your question. Yes you can have some sort of boost with 2 of those types of fans. But those types of fans build such little pressure that we use something called a water column to test fan efficiency.
By the way, im an engineer in an aviation company that deals with a wide variety of components. The biggest strongest "Fan" i have came across (recirculation fans running 100-150 amps) produced only 1/10th of a psi if anything.
@sillychink3293 Do it. Do it. I've done a lot of research lately as I've just installed a borg warner EFR turbo. You have no idea what you are getting into. The blade design is a HUGE factor in inducer efficiency as is aspect ratio and a bunch of other things. The engineering that goes into making something that is effective is mind distorting. Although an electric supercharger is possible the amperage required is astounding. That thing will do nothing but restrict and break up airflow.
for every one saying do it. This does not work. if anything it is restricting air flow. adding a fan to blow air into a strong vacuum system wont do shit.
DO IT. DYNO IT!!! Prove that it works or not. is it worth spending $30 bucks at a walmart for a plastic fan to get an additional 20 or so HP? There's only one way to find out!
Yeah. It kinda makes me laugh looking at videos like this. I use to own a 07 Scion tC and before I even gain knowledge of knowing a good bit about cars I actually bought 1 of these little shitters and put it on my car. Result? Just like people said. It pretty much blew up and all the plastic got sucked in my intake and in to my engine. Thus me buying a whole new engine for a car that was not even a year old. I take full dumb points on that one. But that was 5 years ago. We all make mistakes.
Honestly I would love to see this on a dyno, professionally of course, and see exactly what happens. Also, why is the one pictured shown having metal blades and the one you received has plastic? Sounds like false advertising if you ask me...how much did you pay for it?
does anyone else think he should man the fuck up and stick it on his car to see once and for all is it does anything rather than banging on about it all day
@monkeyswithcameras I Moved to Seattle, and it has been cold and wet, I will get the thing on and tested as soon as I don't have to worry that it will short out my car.
But I also got rear-ended and the insurance hasn't paid yet, I'd prefer not to do anything weird and have them look at it as being a reason to not pay me.
@BlackwaterOpsDotCom oh fair enough! (please don't get me started about cold and wet, i live in england...) make sure you get a video of it then! i must say I'm not entirely convinced by it as i can't see it making any actual pressure due to its lack of a compressor but id be interested to see it all the same!
@monkeyswithcameras I hope I conveyed in the video that I don't think it will help. With my small car, and the numbers it has it is less unlikely than if I had a 5 liter mustang.
While they do make actual electric superchargers, they require a huge alternator, 2-3 batteries, and a controller to match fan speed to engine rpm. This makes them better for large trucks. Ergo, anyone trying to sell you an electric supercharger for your car is lying.
if you want more power buy a sts turbo or if you dont have that kind of bread. nitrous is the way to go its inexpensive and its not running on your car constantly use it when you need it and you can run it safely on any car its just a matter of choosing the right shot at the right time
also i dont think your mass air cant meter it properly and if you get to much air and not enough fuel itll lean out and youl burn a whole in something most computers these days wont adjust that fast it says the kit only works at wide open throttle that means your car would run normal and when you punch it kicks in but your timing would have to advance or retard it would have to meter the fuel to match air i just dont think it would work like that .normally supercharging isnt that easy
the one you show on your screen behind you will work...somewhat its more like a turbo than a supercharger except its doesnt run on exhaust gas .a turbo is built exactly the same way.the electric turbo has one turbine blade while the exhaust turbo uses two one for exhaust to drive it and one larger one to deliver fresh air.the way i see it as long as your pushing more air than your motor can pull in there would have to be a performance gain.not as good as forced induction but better than cold air
Buddy, you already know that that thing is is POS. You know what is really funny, the rubber parts on there are "off the shelf" sewer line couplers. Seriously, go to a plumbing shop & see for yourself. I'm just pissed that I didn't think of selling a scam like this. And yes, that is an inline boat blower - and mind you, it is at 300CFM but at free flow. It a fan, not a compressor, this means that it can not compress air, it just moves it from one side of the blade to the other.
dear all car owners, this " Electric supercharger " IS A SCAAAAAM. please no one waste his money on this trash, how would 12 volt 4 amps blower give 5 PSI ?!!!! its physically impossible.
@naserhamdeh I don't think anyone said it gave PSI. And while I don't necessarily think that this product will work, PSI doesn't mean anything, any more than the CFM number, it is Pounds Per Minute that matter, the mass of the air. 4 PSI in a 1 inch tube is 1.3 PSI in a 2 inch tube.
@BlackwaterOpsDotCom A few of these electric superchareger (like gte)scammers advertise 5psi which is complete bs. And yes, the point of supercharging is to increase the amount of air going into your engine so that you can burn more fuel. Turbo and supercharger guys measure the effectivenss of their fi with a boost guage (PSI). PSI means everything to a turbo guy. A supercharger that does not increase the psi in your manifold is a joke.
all it is, is a potential disaster for the motor, the fan motor has no oil to lube the lil bearing in the motor,soooo the motor will notlast and part will go flying into the motor and blowing it up all for a cheap no good air restrictor... soo BAD IDEA...
Honestly, the only good one I've seen is an E-ram, and I could only see it's best application on a geo metro or ford festiva or ford aspire in colorado. The air is thin and these car's engine's have a hard enough time making power. Claims of these (single unit electric blowers) realistically making more than 2 psi is near false (there are exceptions). I think a tornado fuel saver might be handy for an E-blower just to act as compressor inlet guide vanes, maybe add a bellmouth to the filter too.
cfm is nothing if there is no psi......the system has to be pressurized to work at all.....it takes at least 2-3psi to feel any difference in how the car runs...i am a turbo guru of sorts and ave studied turbos for a long time and have turboed many many cars.....then there is the fuel thing.....more air/psi means the need for more fuel....those electric turbo things are useless....just a plot to make money off of non mechanically inclined people....dont waste your time....
@motersickel I agree with everyone stating this will be a restriction to the amount of air the engine is ingesting. Also, it matters little what the device is capable of flowing because if the throttle body, intake and head are not capable of supporting it they will become the restriction and any performance gain that would have been seen by this will not happen. Great post - I second not wasting your time.
I suggest you read up on how engines work with fuel and air management. You do not understand the fundamentals of combustion, nor how the ECU and maf work together in making a safe air/fuel mixture(ratio). Adding air in which the ecu cannot add enough fuel for will cause detonation and lean mixture= burnt valves and piston roasting if this thing even pressurizes air at all in the intake. Turbo and s/c vehicles are tuned specifically for it. You simply cannot make power by adding a lot of air.
One of the things I find interesting is how many people keep swearing how these "leaf blowers" wont have an affect. Granted a good deal of the products out there (period, not just these) are fly-by-night scammers but there are documents showing you can get more horsepower from a -real- leaf blower. Then you can go full retard if you want, run your windshield wiper box full of Ether and put the lines into your intake and all it costs was the Ether. Point: creativity may make hp/explosions.
You both do not know what you are talking about when it comes to this! MIDNIGHT- the alternator is charged by the engine and then charges the battery, so what does that tell you??? Also I highly doubt that your any smarter than anyone els and what I am getting from this is that your fucking stupid!
Z33- I seen the list of mods for the 350. So you know you are not going to make anymore HP with all that without a proper tune and losing the stock ECU. I suggest con
@mikefknjohnson19 The previous owner of my very haltech setup made 730whp on e85... I think I'll make plenty. If you search Alberto 350z 170mph and watch the first one you can see a bit of how the haltech works, plus what a 600whp 350z can do.
And the Haltech Pro Plug in retains the factory ecu for closed loop functions like idle, cold starts, a/c functions etc. It's the ultimate combination for a street car.
@mikefknjohnson19 I don't know what the fuck i'm talking about? THE ENGINE DOES NOT CHARGE AN ALTERNATOR DUMB SHIT, the crank shaft turns the alternator pulley, copper wires are spun around an iron core generating an electric current THUS charging a battery, don't talk shit to someone on something you have no fucking clue about, lastly learn how to fucking spell before you call someone stupid.
Well, I'd suggest if you know someone with a dyno, or can get a hold of someone... test your car stock, then install this Chinese piece of playskool plastic and see what manner of increase you see if anything. Just because it's pushing air doesn't mean it's compressing the air to make a difference... hell grab a car battery and connect the bitch to it, if it flows about the same volume as your computer fan, you know it's a rip
@z33twinturbo apparently your comebacks are terrible, because that was seriously something a high school punk would say, secondly I never recall once stating that an alternator is driven via the battery, any fuck stick that's ever changed a serpentine belt would know this. As for YOUR channel, it consists of such things as "fox licking a window" and some random shit about Jessica Alba, yeah shes hot, but apparently, you know very little about cars.
@midnightraven00 Yep, I've got a 350z that i'm building, getting a full custom 7175 precision billet turbo setup (that I designed) with haltech, veyron fuel pump, fully built motor, brian crower 272's valvesprings, 6 speed swap, one of only 2 removable hard tops by smoothlines, r888 tires, spec super twin disc clutch....
You are the jackass that doesn't know shit. Notice I said in a few months? Building a motor doesn't happen overnight retard.
@midnightraven00 It charges the battery, which would suggest that the mechanical force of the crank is drastically greater than the electric charge it produces by simple thermodynamics/basic physics (energy lost to friction is not able to be restored, so higher energy goes to energy)
@z33twinturbo you don't know how to come at me do you? you're trying to add simple laws of physics into a situation where it isn't applicable, you're attempting to use big words that are over your level of comprehension. It's very simple I'll break it down for you> crank turns alternator pully > alternator charges battery, all i was getting at you apparently lack the ability to read correctly, or lack the ability to insult correctly, nuff said
@z33twinturbo Consequently we could go on to say that by simple logistics the force you can extract by an electromagnetic driven motor (that's basically what an alternator is, but reversed), is far weaker than anything crank driven. Superchargers are actually terribly inefficient (parasitic loss; some superchargers can take a few hundred horsepower just to spin), so we could easily say an electric motor is even less efficient and would be a bad idea just from that train of thought.
@z33twinturbo i bet you don't comprehend half the shit you're explaining, do you even know how an alternator creates electricity? Do you hear what you're vomiting? a few hundred HP just to spin? Buddy I could slap a SC on a moped and it would receive a diluted effect.
@z33twinturbo you've already proven you're retarded troll capabilities, and just because you attend school, hardly means that you have practical experience to understand what your instructor is teaching you, I particularly study criminology and physics, this hardly means i have practical experience in this field of expertise. Why don't I? I'm loosing enough brain cells just listening to you at the moment.
@z33twinturbo i hardly recall being "shut down" but a retarded fuck such as yourself, to be honest I enjoy trolling trolls such as yourself, decided I'd go watch TV for a bit and come back to see if you were talking smack. 1 hour later... FUN as for the fuel running lean? there is a simple fix increase the fuel ratio. As for the cost of the dyno? If you were able to read you would note that i said: IF YOU KNOW SOMEONE. Convos like these make you love the internet more?
@midnightraven00 Yeah it's really entertaining to see how fucking stupid people out there really are.
Running lean? I hope you realize the stock injectors on most cars wont flow the 400hp this thing claims to push, neither will the stock fuel pump. Not running lean involves much more than a re-tune jackass. You really know nothing.
PS running real lean will cause severe detonation, unless you've got c16 LOL
What the fuck do you drive? That's what I want to see.
@z33twinturbo Dude you're retarded theres no way that small of a fan would push 400hp, and dumb fuck not running lean involves a simple adjustment in the throttle but not that you would know, you're just some dumb fuck that attends a reject college.
@z33twinturbo Yes but that amount is solely dependent on the fact of whether or not it's displacing that amount of air correctly, that was all I was stating as well as testing to see what it would do wouldn't hurt anything. As for your college either you aren't paying enough attention or you're dead wrong because it doesn't appear as though you're taking much away from your time there, either that or you haven't been attending long.
@z33twinturbo you insist on insulting the intelligence of others simply to draw attention away from your own lack there of. Secondly, if you feel that way then why do you continue to argue with me? Why? because you're intrigued on the facts that I'm giving you. In any case, I wash my hands of this conversation as it is going no where.
@z33twinturbo if you were only aware of how much the troll is being trolled IE you, seeing as how I gotta constantly break it down Barney style for you
@z33twinturbo i don't recall ever bringing a leaf blower into the conversation, yet again you're attempting to insult me with invalid information. As well, I wasn't defending, i was simply stating it was worth a try, a few minutes on a dyno isn't going to effect his car, if anything a few minutes listening to you may drop his IQ
I have a GTE Twister Electric Supercharger mounted on a Ford Escape 2.3 I4 that gives me about a 40% increase in acceleration from 0-60 8.5 to 6.1 sec and 50-70 in an amazing 3.2 sec for a SUV YES these work
Calm down, sir. We all know putting the HVAC blower would add more power because unfortunately, 4 amps won't do anything serious unless you're a major hypochondriac. It's not a kit I would put a lot of stock in. FACT: supercharges can take a good 30% or so of power at the crank and hopefully put even more back. A 4 amp draw on the alternator is a fraction of a horse gone for a fraction of an inch less of vacuum at idle, maybe. Moral of the story: your friend has an excellent business. There are
@Twinturbogearhead superchargers don't have that much of a parasitic effect, plus the amount robbed depends on the type of SC, the effect on the engine is negligible and can be put in in place of the AC or power steering compressor. Not to mention an ideal SC such as a twin screw creates it's peak boost near instantaneously therefore peaking the engine over 100% air to fuel efficiency.
I'd say it's a bad idea to install this into your car UNLESS you're able to remap your air to fuel to match this device and put the fan on some sort of adjuster to keep it from running fully at all times. Running too lean is VERY damaging to your engine.
@BlackwaterOpsDotCom I say test it! What have you got to lose? 500cfm won't hurt your car and you can always take it off. IT WAS FREE. Hook up a vacuum/boost gauge to see where you are at different rpm ranges. If it works, you can tell us who your friend is... if it is garbage, tell your friend what he's selling. Either way, the issue is put to bed!
So many people just want to say something's good or bad without trying it. New ideas come by science; science comes by experimentation.
@ToddsRealm I am planning to. Seattle weather is cold and damp, and I don't have a warm dry place to do the install.. My days off have been rainy. But I don't have high hopes for the thing... I expect it to cause me to idle high, and drag at the high rev's
@BlackwaterOpsDotCom Hmm. Well, if it doesn't suck in a peice of that wheel and shove it into your intake valves, ruin the seals, slap some pistons on the valves then you'd probably have a better day.
I know a fair amount about cars, and I can tell you safely, this is a waste of your time. If it does work you could ruin your MAF, blow some of your intake away, blow your engine... the list goes on and on.
@BlackwaterOpsDotCom I'll put it this way. If this kind of shit worked, I wouldn't have spent 1,600 on my turbocharger alone. Or the 4k+ to buy the crap to rebuild my engine, or the 2k for my haltech ecu.
Seriously you'd be a dumb-fucking sack of shit to believe this will work in a positive way.
@z33twinturbo If you read the comments I'm very pessimistic about this. But Testing won't take long. My point to you, was that you don't have to be so rude to me. I simply made the video expressing me disbelief that people would install this. Almost every other video on the subject is positive. Most smart people will realize my talking about this was exposing that this is a $20 bilge pump
@BlackwaterOpsDotCom Grow the fuck up; believing in something like this and promoting it in any way (which is what you sound like you are doing), is really fucked up.
IMHO you should take this shit down, don't give people any kind of ideas.
Rude? Welcome to the internet.
Besides, in the time it took you to make this video, post it up make comments etc you could have installed it seen it not do shit except help drain your battery and moved on.
@z33twinturbo did you not get laid or something? There's this little thing called an alternator and it assists with recharging the battery first of all. Secondly if someone sees this and says OH FUCK I"M OFF THE DRAG STRIP TO RUN 8's ON THE QUARTER MILE is a fucking smack tard to begin with. Who knows? maybe you're that smack tard bought it, got pissed and thought you'd rage on the guy that posted the video.
@BlackwaterOpsDotCom Rule of thumb is 150 CFM delivered to the intake manifold per 100hp desired. A 600 CFM turbocharger can help develope 350-400+ HP. Do you see this doing that? Airflow under pressure is much different than airflow.
@blackwateropsdotcom no....a 2 bar map will only read up to 14.5 psi. Yes two bar of pressure is 29 psi, but map sensors read vacuum as well. So subtract a bar then multiply by 14.5, that is how much pressure the map can read. And I have no idea what "jcw" and "s" is, unless you mean the "s" as a turbo model, still don't know the other. But if it is indeed turbo, good luck, hope your tune doesn't try and overcompensate for little mistakes. By the way, no hate, just free knowledge.
@SharpyBoy221 I wasn't hating... JCW and S are the models of Mini Cooper. I don't expect this thing to help, I will test it, but my point was really that it might not hurt if it can keep up with the volume of air the car is supposed to suck.
look´s like a bong :))
5495dbh 1 day ago
if installed on a newer car the computer should be able to compensate and raise the amount of fuel to match the increase in air the problem is that it needs to be able to vary the speed of the fan because 5PSI is useless at idle turbos and superchargers both increase speed as engine speed increases
deathbladefromhell99 2 days ago
lol the one he got in the mail is just a boat blower (not made for cars) and is someone trying to make some money off unsuspecting buyers. The one he has on the screen is the tes from gte and is the best electric super charger on the market. it gives 5psi of boost. the tes is offical but retails fo like $275 or so
sukbum1 3 days ago
@sukbum1 Are you sure that the GTE electric supercharger makes 5 psi of pressure. I have done my own testing with similar electric supercharger axial fans and I did not get anywhere close to 5 psi. Fans are poor for producing pressure by themselves let alone producing pressure on an engine.
omega3677 3 days ago
What you are holding (in the video) could more likely be the compressor part of your intake kit. It would be really dumb to have a fan hooked up to a tube as you think, and it's hard to imagine anyone can sell something like that in America.
Dosalt 6 days ago
$150 for a $25, non-heat-resistant bilge blower and a couple of $10 adapters.
Yep, seems legit.
Alisterwolf66 1 week ago
Why don't you ask a professional racing shop?
JBC814 1 week ago
Absurd, ridiculous, a hoax.
JBC814 1 week ago
the fans and the motors from porffesional remote control airplanes seem like they'd work better. a model jet engine can put down about 30-50lbs of thrust. those model engines cost a fortune however. about as much as a kenne bell or vortech.
hasnachos 1 week ago
@hasnachos Problem is there is no compression. Without compression there will not be a significant increase in power, maybe gain 2 to 3 HP with a fan. EDF do not compress air, only blows air into an engine to temporaily relieve intake restrictions. The air will not begin to compress it will just pass back throught the fan blades, 30-50lbs of thrust from a EDF is not the same as 30-50 pounds per square inch(psi) from a supercharger/turbo compressor.
omega3677 1 week ago
so did u install it?
opalakiass 2 weeks ago
@BlackwaterOpsDotCom
I cant find it anywhere so I am going to ask - did you do it? if yes was it worth it? are you still using it? if no would you do it if you had a proper one like in that picture?
fixzy115 2 weeks ago
@fixzy115 I will soon. I don't have a garage in Seattle and it has been awfully cold and wet. But I'm on my way to AZ and will do it there. I meant to do it sooner just things came up. And I couldn't find a Dyno shop that would cut me a deal, which I always had access to in Silicon Valley
BlackwaterOpsDotCom 2 weeks ago
@BlackwaterOpsDotCom I might bolt one onto my PC case :P... good to pump air in or out... lol
Oritrix 1 week ago
Its more fuel + more air = more power. Air alone is useless.
scratchyrice 2 weeks ago 4
@scratchyrice Fuel pumps are rarely the limitation. My fuel pump is rated for I believe 12 GPM If i used a tank of gas a minute I'd have issues.
BlackwaterOpsDotCom 2 weeks ago
@BlackwaterOpsDotCom What? You need more fuel in the cylinders to compensate for the extra air in order to keep the compression ratio correct. Otherwise you run too lean and cause detonation in a petrol, and in a diesel you loose power.
scratchyrice 2 weeks ago
@scratchyrice Very rarely is the amount of fuel the limiting factor. Liquid being pumped under pressure is easy. Pulling air from the atmosphere, cleaning, routing and pressing it in to the cylinder is hard.
it's much easier to fill a bucket than to fill a tire.
BlackwaterOpsDotCom 2 weeks ago
@BlackwaterOpsDotCom I think there's a bit of a misunderstanding here lol. What I mean is as-well as increasing the airflow, to compensate you have to manually increase the amount of fuel that goes into the engine and ideally adjust the engine timing to suit. This is normally done through a remap or a tuning box. This isn't nessecary (but still ideal) with a new air filter, But with forced induction its a must.
scratchyrice 2 weeks ago
@BlackwaterOpsDotCom That is what amueters think when adding a turbo to their engine. Not that this crap is a turbo. I laugh when people are told they need to add more fuel to their engine and they reply my fuel pump is big enough. Like the fuel pump is what limits the fuel going to your engine. When you add forced induction, you need to tune your engine which includes modifying your fuel map and timing. Your computer does not doe this for you automaticlly.
drjim86 6 days ago
@BlackwaterOpsDotCom on the contrair in a forced induction system fuel frequently the limiting factor and a 12 gpm pump sounds strange most pumps are rated liters per hour. also to contradict your theory on carbs for a grandma car 300 cfm might be enough but most motors prefer 450 on up 600 is mediocre the idea of a supercharge relys on presurizing the air coming into your engine forcing more air into the cylinder at any given spark to match that you need more fuel AND
anthonysean94 4 days ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@anthonysean94 more spark the cure for that is a colder plug that dwells longer and/or gapping the plugs for the same effect. this "supercharger" i cannot see doing what it is touted to do its a fan which with a simple scoop or placement of the inlet tube close to air could generate the same if not better results. no actual pressure produced no gains which makes this simply a great drag on your electrical system.
anthonysean94 4 days ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@scratchyrice wait.... what? Air/fuel ratio has NOTHING to do with compression ratio. Injectors can usually compensate for increased air flow, especially with such a low difference in CFM. By the way, running lean does NOT cause detonation. Detonation is cause by an incorrect octane or ignition advanced too high.. It's called pre-ignition.
drizzetsrevenge 1 week ago
@drizzetsrevenge Sorry, it was a typo, I meant air/fuel ratio. Injectors will not compensate for much more than an air filter upgrade. Anything serious like proper forced induction, or even a good ram air intake will cause it to run lean. As for detonation, Running lean in a petrol causes excessive heat, Excessive heat causes detonation. Its the opposite in diesels, Running lean is good, but run too rich, your egt's get to high and you melt your pistons/valves,manifold and turbo vanes.
scratchyrice 1 week ago
@drizzetsrevenge Of course if you did have a good ram-air intake, you would probably know to increase the fuel injection quantity slightly anyway.
scratchyrice 1 week ago
@drizzetsrevenge Just to clarify pre-ignition/detonation most certainly can occur in lean conditions in petrol's. It happens by igniting the mixture because of the excessive heat caused by a lean mix, before the piston reaches top dead center. The excessive heat acts as a spark plug in effect.
scratchyrice 1 week ago
@scratchyrice What for you think is the MAF sensor?? computer not increase the fuel pressure, only change the time when the injectors are open.
bsoundpro 2 days ago
@bsoundpro Yes, Up to a certain point which is why its no problem with a simple intake upgrade like a high-flow filter or cold air feed. Manufacturers purposefully put limits on the maximum fuel amount in order to protect their interests. If you add a turbo or any real forced induction you will NEED to remap to change the maximum fueling and preferably timing. You stick a turbo or supercharger on a n/a car without doing this, you're just going to cause detonation.
scratchyrice 1 day ago
@scratchyrice As long as you run 5 to 6 psi on a n/a car detonation should not be a problem. A real electric supercharger will produce a cooler charge helping to prevent detonation, plus retard ignition timing, and use a higher octane fuel.
omega3677 1 day ago
@omega3677 Sorry, I come from a diesel tuning background. I am used to 15-16psi on 1.6's being the norm, 2.0's having 20-25psi being the norm (evo territory on a passenger car). I always forget petrol's have thinner engine blocks and can't take the higher pressures. Yes you're right, you wouldn't get detonation from that, but you would still be running lean so you would be missing out on power you could have and running the engine hotter than it could be if you just increased the fuel quantity.
scratchyrice 1 day ago
@scratchyrice Yes, slightly lean within exceptable level on a gas n/a engine. 5 to 6 psi of pressure has been the industry safe standard for years and still proves to be safe for most modern cars. You will get the power increase from the increase pressure/airflow. Adding more fuel to that 5 to 6 psi with either larger injectors or a FMU will result in lower air charge temperatures and more horespower. I don't claim to be an expert but I know a few things.
omega3677 1 day ago
@omega3677 "larger injectors or a FMU will result in lower air charge temperatures and more horespower".... so exactly what i was saying all along? You should add more fuel with the air, not just air alone for cooler temps and optimal bhp lol. Larger injectors allow more fuel to enter the engine.
scratchyrice 15 hours ago
@scratchyrice You sir are correct, more fuel plus low temp pressurized air equals more HP.
omega3677 5 hours ago
@omega3677 The same principle on which I base modification of my turbo-diesel haha,
scratchyrice 5 hours ago
@scratchyrice what if your car is already supercharged? aka grand prix GTP
SchaussTheHouse 1 week ago
@SchaussTheHouse The fueling would have already been increased to compensate for the extra air.
scratchyrice 1 week ago
@scratchyrice computer controls the fuel, when he say "more air, more power" he are right! because if you increase the intake air flow your MAP sensor will tell the computer to increase the fuel, basic rules on EFI.
bsoundpro 2 days ago
im a little late, but i say give it a go but not with that one
SgtMajSquish 2 weeks ago
Have fun picking the pieces out of your cylinder chamber.
Seriously though... Don't put that on your car unless you want pieces inside your engine when it fails. And it WILL fail.
jaketyo123 2 weeks ago
Try and run it on a Dino. I wonder if you install a brushless motor with high amp and voltage amp, you could make more pressure
X4hunterx4 2 weeks ago
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BlackwaterOpsDotCom 3 weeks ago
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Swagdaddy777 3 weeks ago
A bilge pump will provide zero improvement and likely a loss. Some of these little fans are good for 8-10 horse but they usually draw like 10-12 amps. This is NOT one of those things. HAHA
Nettikturbo 3 weeks ago
@Nettikturbo lol..... 8 horse @ 10 amps...... to give you a hint on how crazy that sounds, look up the size of a 1 hp dc motor running on 12v....
hellkat672 3 weeks ago
@hellkat672 You don't understand. The power isn't coming from the motor, it's coming from the fuel, can't use a conversion directly like that. I see where you're going and you're right it would probably be a bit higher, but for instance I've seen those silly "E-supercharger" 'brand' make about 8 horse - around where they claim. Outside of that none of these things will produce ANY power whatsoever and you'd likely lose power.
Nettikturbo 3 weeks ago
@hellkat672 Not saying this will work, but your math doesn't work. a Cloth air filter draws no power, and can make 3-30 HP compared to a paper filter (if the cloth is also bigger and such)
BlackwaterOpsDotCom 3 weeks ago
@BlackwaterOpsDotCom Right, i understand that increasing flow to engine (by means of reducing the restriction of a paper filter and changing to a cloth filter) can increase horse power.
An electric fan will create a restriction unless it can supply more flow to the engine then the engine requires.Even if it could surpass that requirement, it can only help with reducing the pressure drop caused by airfilters.
hellkat672 3 weeks ago
@hellkat672 a fan that has a CFM rating greater then an engine must maintain that rating with the filter in-line. If flow is still greater then engine cfm requirement then in theory it would be like your running a restriction-less filter. Finding a fan that could push this flow under restriction would be much more expensive then just buying a high flow filter, and gains could be moot with electric parasitic drag.
hellkat672 3 weeks ago
@BlackwaterOpsDotCom oh, and yes your right, the math doesn't work. in hindsight i think i was just trying to troll the guy, but in the end i wanted to explain to sillychink how it would not be a good buy to purchase these thing.
hellkat672 3 weeks ago
link to installed vid?
packers4evr100 3 weeks ago
I'm going to install 2 of them into my car with a K&N intake and see where it leads me to, i'm going to hook a boost gauge as well and dyno my car.
sillychink3293 3 weeks ago
@sillychink3293 Why would you need a boost gauge? an OBD2 Port will tell you pressure at the manifold and Mass Airflow in LB/min
BlackwaterOpsDotCom 3 weeks ago
@BlackwaterOpsDotCom ohhhh i see, i was going to put the boost gauge anyway so i can see the pressure i'm running at WOT or at half throttle. btw, what do i need to get to see the boost pressure from the OBD2 port?
sillychink3293 3 weeks ago
@sillychink3293 you cant get boost from a simple fan, its impossible. True fan compressors are staged with tight fitting stators to compressor the air, like a commercial jet engine.
hellkat672 3 weeks ago
@hellkat672 true, but is it possible to have some sort of boost with 2 fans "boosting 10 psi" ?
sillychink3293 3 weeks ago
@sillychink3293 Look, if high CFM "Fan" could boost your car, then an industrial house fan would work (you can get up to 700 cfm from them!). But it doesn't because you need to compressor the air into the engine, not just move air. Unless the fan you are using looks like the inside of a airplane turbo fan (which has extremely tight stator tolerances) or looks like a real car turbo with an electric motor attached, your not going to get any boost.
hellkat672 3 weeks ago
@hellkat672 i was planning on using the one in the picture behind him by gte, they claim, "5psi per fan" i get exactly what you mean i'm guessing that the fan is just to improve air flow not to exactly boost, thanks for the heads up i'm going to avoid this path. thank you
sillychink3293 3 weeks ago
@sillychink3293 Oh, i dident answer your question. Yes you can have some sort of boost with 2 of those types of fans. But those types of fans build such little pressure that we use something called a water column to test fan efficiency.
By the way, im an engineer in an aviation company that deals with a wide variety of components. The biggest strongest "Fan" i have came across (recirculation fans running 100-150 amps) produced only 1/10th of a psi if anything.
hellkat672 3 weeks ago
@BlackwaterOpsDotCom No it won't most MAP sensors won't read positve pressure.
Nettikturbo 3 weeks ago
@sillychink3293 Do it. Do it. I've done a lot of research lately as I've just installed a borg warner EFR turbo. You have no idea what you are getting into. The blade design is a HUGE factor in inducer efficiency as is aspect ratio and a bunch of other things. The engineering that goes into making something that is effective is mind distorting. Although an electric supercharger is possible the amperage required is astounding. That thing will do nothing but restrict and break up airflow.
taohawaii 2 weeks ago
for every one saying do it. This does not work. if anything it is restricting air flow. adding a fan to blow air into a strong vacuum system wont do shit.
csgtfaught 3 weeks ago
Lolololololololl ahhhhhhhhhh yes.. This is a joke, right ?
mastertinter731 3 weeks ago
NO
JAoMC 3 weeks ago
DO IT. DYNO IT!!! Prove that it works or not. is it worth spending $30 bucks at a walmart for a plastic fan to get an additional 20 or so HP? There's only one way to find out!
aftoyboy 4 weeks ago
Yeah. It kinda makes me laugh looking at videos like this. I use to own a 07 Scion tC and before I even gain knowledge of knowing a good bit about cars I actually bought 1 of these little shitters and put it on my car. Result? Just like people said. It pretty much blew up and all the plastic got sucked in my intake and in to my engine. Thus me buying a whole new engine for a car that was not even a year old. I take full dumb points on that one. But that was 5 years ago. We all make mistakes.
NewLevel84 1 month ago
Honestly I would love to see this on a dyno, professionally of course, and see exactly what happens. Also, why is the one pictured shown having metal blades and the one you received has plastic? Sounds like false advertising if you ask me...how much did you pay for it?
2cool4uandevr 1 month ago
@2cool4uandevr I paid nothing it was sent to me. The one in the picture was what I expected to get, and didn't really think that would work...
BlackwaterOpsDotCom 1 month ago
does anyone else think he should man the fuck up and stick it on his car to see once and for all is it does anything rather than banging on about it all day
monkeyswithcameras 1 month ago
@monkeyswithcameras I Moved to Seattle, and it has been cold and wet, I will get the thing on and tested as soon as I don't have to worry that it will short out my car.
But I also got rear-ended and the insurance hasn't paid yet, I'd prefer not to do anything weird and have them look at it as being a reason to not pay me.
BlackwaterOpsDotCom 1 month ago
@BlackwaterOpsDotCom oh fair enough! (please don't get me started about cold and wet, i live in england...) make sure you get a video of it then! i must say I'm not entirely convinced by it as i can't see it making any actual pressure due to its lack of a compressor but id be interested to see it all the same!
monkeyswithcameras 1 month ago
@monkeyswithcameras I hope I conveyed in the video that I don't think it will help. With my small car, and the numbers it has it is less unlikely than if I had a 5 liter mustang.
BlackwaterOpsDotCom 1 month ago
While they do make actual electric superchargers, they require a huge alternator, 2-3 batteries, and a controller to match fan speed to engine rpm. This makes them better for large trucks. Ergo, anyone trying to sell you an electric supercharger for your car is lying.
reraskol 1 month ago
if you want more power buy a sts turbo or if you dont have that kind of bread. nitrous is the way to go its inexpensive and its not running on your car constantly use it when you need it and you can run it safely on any car its just a matter of choosing the right shot at the right time
deathsdezine80 1 month ago
also i dont think your mass air cant meter it properly and if you get to much air and not enough fuel itll lean out and youl burn a whole in something most computers these days wont adjust that fast it says the kit only works at wide open throttle that means your car would run normal and when you punch it kicks in but your timing would have to advance or retard it would have to meter the fuel to match air i just dont think it would work like that .normally supercharging isnt that easy
deathsdezine80 1 month ago
the one you show on your screen behind you will work...somewhat its more like a turbo than a supercharger except its doesnt run on exhaust gas .a turbo is built exactly the same way.the electric turbo has one turbine blade while the exhaust turbo uses two one for exhaust to drive it and one larger one to deliver fresh air.the way i see it as long as your pushing more air than your motor can pull in there would have to be a performance gain.not as good as forced induction but better than cold air
deathsdezine80 1 month ago
Buddy, you already know that that thing is is POS. You know what is really funny, the rubber parts on there are "off the shelf" sewer line couplers. Seriously, go to a plumbing shop & see for yourself. I'm just pissed that I didn't think of selling a scam like this. And yes, that is an inline boat blower - and mind you, it is at 300CFM but at free flow. It a fan, not a compressor, this means that it can not compress air, it just moves it from one side of the blade to the other.
oldboatclub 1 month ago
dear all car owners, this " Electric supercharger " IS A SCAAAAAM. please no one waste his money on this trash, how would 12 volt 4 amps blower give 5 PSI ?!!!! its physically impossible.
naserhamdeh 1 month ago
@naserhamdeh I don't think anyone said it gave PSI. And while I don't necessarily think that this product will work, PSI doesn't mean anything, any more than the CFM number, it is Pounds Per Minute that matter, the mass of the air. 4 PSI in a 1 inch tube is 1.3 PSI in a 2 inch tube.
BlackwaterOpsDotCom 1 month ago
@BlackwaterOpsDotCom A few of these electric superchareger (like gte)scammers advertise 5psi which is complete bs. And yes, the point of supercharging is to increase the amount of air going into your engine so that you can burn more fuel. Turbo and supercharger guys measure the effectivenss of their fi with a boost guage (PSI). PSI means everything to a turbo guy. A supercharger that does not increase the psi in your manifold is a joke.
drjim86 1 month ago
99.5% of the ricers here have one. 75% of them installed it backwards and said it gave them power.
Prank6767 1 month ago
70% I decided it for you install install install btw since you do what I say! See a doctor haha no big deaaal!
BassShoter 1 month ago
all it is, is a potential disaster for the motor, the fan motor has no oil to lube the lil bearing in the motor,soooo the motor will notlast and part will go flying into the motor and blowing it up all for a cheap no good air restrictor... soo BAD IDEA...
MegaHosscat 1 month ago
i just took my sisters blow dryer and hooked it up to my intake. It was alot cheaper and as big of a waste of my time as that thing would be.
TrollingForYou 1 month ago
@TrollingForYou How did you solve the AC do DC problem and adjust the air speed to match the throttle?
BlackwaterOpsDotCom 1 month ago
@BlackwaterOpsDotCom i hooked up a turbo to the hair dryer
TrollingForYou 1 month ago
@TrollingForYou you aren't even smart enough to know when you are being mocked. Go troll somewhere else.
BlackwaterOpsDotCom 1 month ago 2
try it and let us know the results....please hehehhehehehehe....
dabok2 1 month ago
try it
zelandful 1 month ago
Honestly, the only good one I've seen is an E-ram, and I could only see it's best application on a geo metro or ford festiva or ford aspire in colorado. The air is thin and these car's engine's have a hard enough time making power. Claims of these (single unit electric blowers) realistically making more than 2 psi is near false (there are exceptions). I think a tornado fuel saver might be handy for an E-blower just to act as compressor inlet guide vanes, maybe add a bellmouth to the filter too.
locke6984 1 month ago
Its a restriction on your intake, the only reason a turbo makes power is because it makes BOOST. Because it spins at 70,000rpm.
That just resricts.
KXRider212 1 month ago
If u putt it on whitout elecric it wil turn even faster if engine is at full trottle? I think it creates a vacume in the inlet.
Greetz
thaiboksen26 1 month ago
This little thing will just restrict air flow to your intake.
Especially on mid-high rpms. (depends on the displacement of the engine)
billysgeo 1 month ago
cfm is nothing if there is no psi......the system has to be pressurized to work at all.....it takes at least 2-3psi to feel any difference in how the car runs...i am a turbo guru of sorts and ave studied turbos for a long time and have turboed many many cars.....then there is the fuel thing.....more air/psi means the need for more fuel....those electric turbo things are useless....just a plot to make money off of non mechanically inclined people....dont waste your time....
motersickel 1 month ago
@motersickel I agree with everyone stating this will be a restriction to the amount of air the engine is ingesting. Also, it matters little what the device is capable of flowing because if the throttle body, intake and head are not capable of supporting it they will become the restriction and any performance gain that would have been seen by this will not happen. Great post - I second not wasting your time.
400whp240sx 1 month ago
just imagine all that plastic in your engine when that shitty little fan breaks...mmmmm
therooftopkid1 1 month ago 11
1:16 scratches his ass
MrPigsticker 1 month ago 21
@MrPigsticker Actually my cat started to claw my leg and I brushed her aside.
BlackwaterOpsDotCom 1 month ago
Midnighttraven is fucking retarded!
jrodfootball21 1 month ago
"It can't be good for my car" smart guy..
At high revs especially like my car it creates an air ristriction, my friend sent me one for free as well.
It litterally jams my air flow at around 6.5k rpm and above.
Not only that it reduces my performance, it's harming my engine as well.
But of course I tested it on my friend's car, if you're ever going 3k rpm and below, it saves fuel :)
TreVox 1 month ago
@TreVox This does not have enough vacuum power to save fuel. Stop bullshitting.
betterdropdatdonk 1 month ago
just install it to see wat happens lol
MrDedication09 1 month ago
I suggest you read up on how engines work with fuel and air management. You do not understand the fundamentals of combustion, nor how the ECU and maf work together in making a safe air/fuel mixture(ratio). Adding air in which the ecu cannot add enough fuel for will cause detonation and lean mixture= burnt valves and piston roasting if this thing even pressurizes air at all in the intake. Turbo and s/c vehicles are tuned specifically for it. You simply cannot make power by adding a lot of air.
bmx045 1 month ago
One of the things I find interesting is how many people keep swearing how these "leaf blowers" wont have an affect. Granted a good deal of the products out there (period, not just these) are fly-by-night scammers but there are documents showing you can get more horsepower from a -real- leaf blower. Then you can go full retard if you want, run your windshield wiper box full of Ether and put the lines into your intake and all it costs was the Ether. Point: creativity may make hp/explosions.
IcabodCrane 1 month ago
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Mr420Panda 1 month ago
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Mr420Panda 1 month ago
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Mr420Panda 1 month ago
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You would have a lot better luck with a leaf blower. Hot Rod Mag did it with a 85 corvette and got a 50hp gain! :)
Mr420Panda 1 month ago
You would have a lot better luck with a leaf blower. Hot Rod Mag did it with a 85 corvette and got a 50hp gain! :)
Mr420Panda 1 month ago
u mutherfucker were tha fuck is the install ,,,,u have fucken hella videos and i only got a laptop wit 1gb of ram sooooooooooo lol
NORTHofCALI 1 month ago
@midnighttraven00 @z33twinturbo
You both do not know what you are talking about when it comes to this! MIDNIGHT- the alternator is charged by the engine and then charges the battery, so what does that tell you??? Also I highly doubt that your any smarter than anyone els and what I am getting from this is that your fucking stupid!
Z33- I seen the list of mods for the 350. So you know you are not going to make anymore HP with all that without a proper tune and losing the stock ECU. I suggest con
mikefknjohnson19 1 month ago
@mikefknjohnson19 The previous owner of my very haltech setup made 730whp on e85... I think I'll make plenty. If you search Alberto 350z 170mph and watch the first one you can see a bit of how the haltech works, plus what a 600whp 350z can do.
And the Haltech Pro Plug in retains the factory ecu for closed loop functions like idle, cold starts, a/c functions etc. It's the ultimate combination for a street car.
z33twinturbo 1 month ago
@mikefknjohnson19 I don't know what the fuck i'm talking about? THE ENGINE DOES NOT CHARGE AN ALTERNATOR DUMB SHIT, the crank shaft turns the alternator pulley, copper wires are spun around an iron core generating an electric current THUS charging a battery, don't talk shit to someone on something you have no fucking clue about, lastly learn how to fucking spell before you call someone stupid.
midnightraven00 1 month ago
Well, I'd suggest if you know someone with a dyno, or can get a hold of someone... test your car stock, then install this Chinese piece of playskool plastic and see what manner of increase you see if anything. Just because it's pushing air doesn't mean it's compressing the air to make a difference... hell grab a car battery and connect the bitch to it, if it flows about the same volume as your computer fan, you know it's a rip
midnightraven00 1 month ago
I love how you delete half of my comments.
z33twinturbo 1 month ago
@z33twinturbo apparently your comebacks are terrible, because that was seriously something a high school punk would say, secondly I never recall once stating that an alternator is driven via the battery, any fuck stick that's ever changed a serpentine belt would know this. As for YOUR channel, it consists of such things as "fox licking a window" and some random shit about Jessica Alba, yeah shes hot, but apparently, you know very little about cars.
midnightraven00 1 month ago
@midnightraven00 Yep, I've got a 350z that i'm building, getting a full custom 7175 precision billet turbo setup (that I designed) with haltech, veyron fuel pump, fully built motor, brian crower 272's valvesprings, 6 speed swap, one of only 2 removable hard tops by smoothlines, r888 tires, spec super twin disc clutch....
You are the jackass that doesn't know shit. Notice I said in a few months? Building a motor doesn't happen overnight retard.
z33twinturbo 1 month ago
@z33twinturbo you mean your dad has a 350z that hes letting you help with your plastic fisher price toys?, btw your comebacks still suck ass
midnightraven00 1 month ago
@midnightraven00 It charges the battery, which would suggest that the mechanical force of the crank is drastically greater than the electric charge it produces by simple thermodynamics/basic physics (energy lost to friction is not able to be restored, so higher energy goes to energy)
z33twinturbo 1 month ago
@z33twinturbo you don't know how to come at me do you? you're trying to add simple laws of physics into a situation where it isn't applicable, you're attempting to use big words that are over your level of comprehension. It's very simple I'll break it down for you> crank turns alternator pully > alternator charges battery, all i was getting at you apparently lack the ability to read correctly, or lack the ability to insult correctly, nuff said
midnightraven00 1 month ago
@z33twinturbo Consequently we could go on to say that by simple logistics the force you can extract by an electromagnetic driven motor (that's basically what an alternator is, but reversed), is far weaker than anything crank driven. Superchargers are actually terribly inefficient (parasitic loss; some superchargers can take a few hundred horsepower just to spin), so we could easily say an electric motor is even less efficient and would be a bad idea just from that train of thought.
z33twinturbo 1 month ago
@z33twinturbo i bet you don't comprehend half the shit you're explaining, do you even know how an alternator creates electricity? Do you hear what you're vomiting? a few hundred HP just to spin? Buddy I could slap a SC on a moped and it would receive a diluted effect.
midnightraven00 1 month ago
@midnightraven00 I go to school at Cal Poly SLO for Aerospace Engineering.
I damn well understand what I'm doing.
And seriously why don't you sub in?
I'll make a video this weekend just for you on the car, stripped down with the parts I have. Just to troll your dumbass.
z33twinturbo 1 month ago
@z33twinturbo you've already proven you're retarded troll capabilities, and just because you attend school, hardly means that you have practical experience to understand what your instructor is teaching you, I particularly study criminology and physics, this hardly means i have practical experience in this field of expertise. Why don't I? I'm loosing enough brain cells just listening to you at the moment.
midnightraven00 1 month ago
@midnightraven00 Because you got shut the fuck down.
I don't need to say anything more. The only reason you don't want to sub in is because I'm right, but you are too afraid to come to gripes with it.
Convos like these make me love the internet even more
z33twinturbo 1 month ago
@z33twinturbo i hardly recall being "shut down" but a retarded fuck such as yourself, to be honest I enjoy trolling trolls such as yourself, decided I'd go watch TV for a bit and come back to see if you were talking smack. 1 hour later... FUN as for the fuel running lean? there is a simple fix increase the fuel ratio. As for the cost of the dyno? If you were able to read you would note that i said: IF YOU KNOW SOMEONE. Convos like these make you love the internet more?
midnightraven00 1 month ago
@midnightraven00 Yeah it's really entertaining to see how fucking stupid people out there really are.
Running lean? I hope you realize the stock injectors on most cars wont flow the 400hp this thing claims to push, neither will the stock fuel pump. Not running lean involves much more than a re-tune jackass. You really know nothing.
PS running real lean will cause severe detonation, unless you've got c16 LOL
What the fuck do you drive? That's what I want to see.
z33twinturbo 1 month ago
@z33twinturbo Dude you're retarded theres no way that small of a fan would push 400hp, and dumb fuck not running lean involves a simple adjustment in the throttle but not that you would know, you're just some dumb fuck that attends a reject college.
midnightraven00 1 month ago
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z33twinturbo 1 month ago
@z33twinturbo Yes but that amount is solely dependent on the fact of whether or not it's displacing that amount of air correctly, that was all I was stating as well as testing to see what it would do wouldn't hurt anything. As for your college either you aren't paying enough attention or you're dead wrong because it doesn't appear as though you're taking much away from your time there, either that or you haven't been attending long.
midnightraven00 1 month ago
@z33twinturbo you insist on insulting the intelligence of others simply to draw attention away from your own lack there of. Secondly, if you feel that way then why do you continue to argue with me? Why? because you're intrigued on the facts that I'm giving you. In any case, I wash my hands of this conversation as it is going no where.
midnightraven00 1 month ago
@midnightraven00 You do realize there are 2 other people who totally disagree with what you are saying right?
I'm not worried about my intelligence or my education, although you should be.
z33twinturbo 1 month ago
@midnightraven00 And lean is a high AIR FUEL RATIO. Rich is a LOW AIR FUEL RATIO.
HOLY shit you don't know ANYTHING.
z33twinturbo 1 month ago
@z33twinturbo if you were only aware of how much the troll is being trolled IE you, seeing as how I gotta constantly break it down Barney style for you
midnightraven00 1 month ago
@z33twinturbo "...so higher energy [transfers] to [lower] energy"
I had to edit that, typo.
z33twinturbo 1 month ago
@midnightraven00 Remember YOU are the one defending power gains from A FUCKING LEAF BLOWER MOTOR, not me.
You don't know jack shit, and trust me I do.
z33twinturbo 1 month ago
@z33twinturbo i don't recall ever bringing a leaf blower into the conversation, yet again you're attempting to insult me with invalid information. As well, I wasn't defending, i was simply stating it was worth a try, a few minutes on a dyno isn't going to effect his car, if anything a few minutes listening to you may drop his IQ
midnightraven00 1 month ago
@midnightraven00 Actually it could effect his car. If it does flow as much as he's saying it will run lean or break something on the intake side.
But it won't.
And a few dyno pulls is like 70$.
If these things worked, nobody would use turbos, or superchargers. Simple as that.
z33twinturbo 1 month ago
@z33twinturbo finally, he deletes your comments because you're just some stupid ass child that has nothing decent to say.
midnightraven00 1 month ago
You big pussy, you never did install it. :(
geonerd 1 month ago
I have a GTE Twister Electric Supercharger mounted on a Ford Escape 2.3 I4 that gives me about a 40% increase in acceleration from 0-60 8.5 to 6.1 sec and 50-70 in an amazing 3.2 sec for a SUV YES these work
Very Well!!!
AMMAmiami 1 month ago
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Twinturbogearhead 1 month ago
Calm down, sir. We all know putting the HVAC blower would add more power because unfortunately, 4 amps won't do anything serious unless you're a major hypochondriac. It's not a kit I would put a lot of stock in. FACT: supercharges can take a good 30% or so of power at the crank and hopefully put even more back. A 4 amp draw on the alternator is a fraction of a horse gone for a fraction of an inch less of vacuum at idle, maybe. Moral of the story: your friend has an excellent business. There are
Twinturbogearhead 1 month ago
@Twinturbogearhead superchargers don't have that much of a parasitic effect, plus the amount robbed depends on the type of SC, the effect on the engine is negligible and can be put in in place of the AC or power steering compressor. Not to mention an ideal SC such as a twin screw creates it's peak boost near instantaneously therefore peaking the engine over 100% air to fuel efficiency.
midnightraven00 1 month ago
I'd say it's a bad idea to install this into your car UNLESS you're able to remap your air to fuel to match this device and put the fan on some sort of adjuster to keep it from running fully at all times. Running too lean is VERY damaging to your engine.
phattacorider 1 month ago
You are better off shitting on a plate and eating it than wasting your time installing this crap.
z33twinturbo 1 month ago 5
@z33twinturbo How about I test what I was given for free, and you test what came on the plate, we'll see who has the suckier day.
BlackwaterOpsDotCom 1 month ago 7
@BlackwaterOpsDotCom I say test it! What have you got to lose? 500cfm won't hurt your car and you can always take it off. IT WAS FREE. Hook up a vacuum/boost gauge to see where you are at different rpm ranges. If it works, you can tell us who your friend is... if it is garbage, tell your friend what he's selling. Either way, the issue is put to bed!
So many people just want to say something's good or bad without trying it. New ideas come by science; science comes by experimentation.
Let me know!
ToddsRealm 1 month ago
@ToddsRealm I am planning to. Seattle weather is cold and damp, and I don't have a warm dry place to do the install.. My days off have been rainy. But I don't have high hopes for the thing... I expect it to cause me to idle high, and drag at the high rev's
BlackwaterOpsDotCom 1 month ago
@BlackwaterOpsDotCom you sounds like an emotional women on this video.
1991NOS 1 month ago
@BlackwaterOpsDotCom Hmm. Well, if it doesn't suck in a peice of that wheel and shove it into your intake valves, ruin the seals, slap some pistons on the valves then you'd probably have a better day.
I know a fair amount about cars, and I can tell you safely, this is a waste of your time. If it does work you could ruin your MAF, blow some of your intake away, blow your engine... the list goes on and on.
z33twinturbo 1 month ago
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z33twinturbo 1 month ago
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@BlackwaterOpsDotCom I'll put it this way. If this kind of shit worked, I wouldn't have spent 1,600 on my turbocharger alone. Or the 4k+ to buy the crap to rebuild my engine, or the 2k for my haltech ecu.
Seriously you'd be a dumb-fucking sack of shit to believe this will work in a positive way.
z33twinturbo 1 month ago
@z33twinturbo If you read the comments I'm very pessimistic about this. But Testing won't take long. My point to you, was that you don't have to be so rude to me. I simply made the video expressing me disbelief that people would install this. Almost every other video on the subject is positive. Most smart people will realize my talking about this was exposing that this is a $20 bilge pump
BlackwaterOpsDotCom 1 month ago
@BlackwaterOpsDotCom Grow the fuck up; believing in something like this and promoting it in any way (which is what you sound like you are doing), is really fucked up.
IMHO you should take this shit down, don't give people any kind of ideas.
Rude? Welcome to the internet.
Besides, in the time it took you to make this video, post it up make comments etc you could have installed it seen it not do shit except help drain your battery and moved on.
z33twinturbo 1 month ago
@z33twinturbo did you not get laid or something? There's this little thing called an alternator and it assists with recharging the battery first of all. Secondly if someone sees this and says OH FUCK I"M OFF THE DRAG STRIP TO RUN 8's ON THE QUARTER MILE is a fucking smack tard to begin with. Who knows? maybe you're that smack tard bought it, got pissed and thought you'd rage on the guy that posted the video.
midnightraven00 1 month ago
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z33twinturbo 1 month ago
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@midnightraven00 OH WOW you know what an ALTERNATOR DOES!
The thing about these motors is they are a fucking scam.
I never bought one. I'm trying to keep jackasses from getting scammed by this shit
Why don't you sub to my channel and in a month or two you'll see what real power adders are.
Alternators use crank power too, which is what a real supercharger uses.
You won't make any power with this. There's no way it would make positive boost (or boost above ambient pressure).
z33twinturbo 1 month ago
@BlackwaterOpsDotCom Rule of thumb is 150 CFM delivered to the intake manifold per 100hp desired. A 600 CFM turbocharger can help develope 350-400+ HP. Do you see this doing that? Airflow under pressure is much different than airflow.
ProjectCarTV 1 month ago
Don't put it on your intake system, just creates more restriction. If you want more air into your engine get a turbo...
kornfan43107 1 month ago
Buy a Boat!
buttmanroad 1 month ago
best place for the electric supercharger is in the bin
davebig28 1 month ago
@blackwateropsdotcom no....a 2 bar map will only read up to 14.5 psi. Yes two bar of pressure is 29 psi, but map sensors read vacuum as well. So subtract a bar then multiply by 14.5, that is how much pressure the map can read. And I have no idea what "jcw" and "s" is, unless you mean the "s" as a turbo model, still don't know the other. But if it is indeed turbo, good luck, hope your tune doesn't try and overcompensate for little mistakes. By the way, no hate, just free knowledge.
SharpyBoy221 2 months ago
@SharpyBoy221 I wasn't hating... JCW and S are the models of Mini Cooper. I don't expect this thing to help, I will test it, but my point was really that it might not hurt if it can keep up with the volume of air the car is supposed to suck.
I didn't know about the bar map.
BlackwaterOpsDotCom 2 months ago
Throw it in the garbage!
waste of time and money.
MANX2VIDEO 2 months ago