Computers: product of the private or the public sector?

[sugarcanegray]

absolutely spot on. it still makes me laugh when people claim any kind of progress can be attributed to the private sector - the far far majority of scientific research is conducted through public funding. this can be highlighted in the time it takes for new technologies to get to the market place.

[yaakovda]

The public sector is a fictitious entity. What you really mean to say, is that the government robbed money from the citizens, then paid employees to develop computers.

Well, those employees would have succeeded achieving the same achievements while working for private entrepreneurs.

[id1337x]

I agree wholeheartedly that computers and the internet were developed in the public sector. Another really good example which you might consider using is Linux. It was developed by Linus Torvalds in a state-funded university in Finland, and since then it has been released to the public so that anyone in the world can contribute to it. Linux seems to make a very good example of Public Sector development, and right now I am typing this using Linux.

[luvcheney1]

@id1337x Great! Let me know when it overtakes Microsoft.

[Chrisnoscrub047]

What came first the State supported society or the Stateless society?

[seigneurvoland666]

lol your defense strategy is funny, kind of rediculous, and genious. You always point out the 'claims' that have not been backed up by (specific) evidence. Reasonable i guess, it works. the rediculous part is that you see an error cause of the lack of evidence addressed to the claim and ontop of it you question all the other plausible possibilities that could replace this claim and ultimately defeat it.

[buddhagem]

You really shouldn't pretend to know about stuff you clearly don't know about. It makes you look pretentious and silly. I'm sure it might work with White Nationalists who can hardly read but you're dealing with a more sophisticated audience now. And, as is clear from the videos and comments, you have had your ass handed to you once again. The best part of it all: The completely naivete of your questions: The phone company collects taxes? Why would the airforce want that? LOL. You're too funny

[DeathSephirot]

Buddhist, huh?

The eightfold path;

*Not allowed to mock.

To not talk about others faults but to be understanding and compassionate.

To not put oneself above others and denegrate others.

I've seen enough of you to know that you break these and alot more rules on a daily basis.

[DackBev]

Isn't it ironic that mr1001nights is from a country where government is is much larger public sector versus public sector? In the U.S. research is predominantly by private funds. If he is in favor of a system where government forces the people to invest in things, then why did he come here?

[mr1001nights]

Actually, as I prove in this video, most research in the US is done by the state sector. You reveal your totalitarian ideology by assuming the illegitimacy of living in a country where one wants to change things. I want decisions regarding allocation to be implemented in a free environment, not in a totalitarian one dominated by wage slavery and bosses/investors who use the violence of the state to make money without having to work (at the expense of the workers who produce everything)

[DackBev]

This is why the U.S. came to have such a high standard of living, compared to your country. Freedom works. Statism doesn't. Government (central authority) cannot possibly allocate resources more efficiently than the market.

[DackBev]

(take out the space in "stata b" above). The title of the statistics is "Research and Development (R&D) Expenditures by Source and

Objective: 1970 to 2007"

[HexTest]

@mr1001nights - The United States Postal Service was the original carrier of mail throughout most of American history (especially in it's prior POD form), so that must mean that private carriers of mail can't possible exist right?

[thelaughingman]

YES it was for the air force. packet switching was aimed at creating a distributed computing system because at this time the air force created a network of radar systems called sage. So its no surprise that someone that worked at RAND, which was started by the airforce call project RAND, devloped something for the airforce. the use of such a system is to increase the survivability of the radar system in case of nuclear attack etc.

[sunwing28]

Very good video.

Maybe if you add more tags you will get more views?

[DackBev]

You don't understand the creation of the Internet. Private national networks existed at the same time that the government ARPAnet existed. The internet is simply the interconnecting of all these networks. If there were no government network, the private networks still would have interconnected and we would still would have had the internet.

[thelaughingman]

In your video your argument is that computer WOULD HAVE come about faster had there been no state. Your assertion that this or that would have happened in the past if no state existed is nonsense because there is no way to prove or disprove what Might have happened. packet switching was done by the RAND corp for the airforce . TCP-IP was created in the 70's not the 60's and it is not an insignificant achievement it is what keeps the net running until today. All of this was under the state system

[mikepeino]

Why this preference for the state? The "public sector" and "private sector" are just conceptual tags attached to organizations that behave violently, and organizations that behave peacefully. Violence always leads to value loss, wealth destruction and waste. Its ridiculous to say violence is a better way of producing computers for the masses than voluntary peaceful exchange. State computers were huge, took up entire floors and the public had no access. Capitalism makes them cheap and abundant.

[yeahwotevaman]

I didn't notice a 'preference of the state' in this video, just facts about the development of computers. It is a fact that the main factor driving the early development of computer technology was the military.

[ajw21778]

The point of who owns the computer is irrelavant considering all ideas are based on other ideas so whoever had the first idea owns it all if you ask me. The question really should be, do other humans have the right or is it moral to control other humans by manipulation or force

[slipcurve]

Very informative. Thank you.

[DeathBringer9000]

screw all of you. the internet was invented by fish and you all know it

[RSFO]

Neural network is in fact the very first internet

[AbtinX]

This is well known, why the dispute? My father worked with early computerisation in Iran and they were all brought in from the US by the state. Primarily for banking and other government services. The banks back then were mostly owned by the state or the military.

[CarryANation]

Libertopian fantasy. Computer technology was nurtured by the government and was massively invested in by the military and academia - two bastions of the "state".

The internet is a collectivist entity built by the state.

Libertopians and the free market had next to *nothing* to do with computer tech until the 80s.

[Plutonwolf]

Well expressed and dead accurate.

[JTravisRolko]

There are literally two companies producing commercial processors and this provokes such ecstatic praise for competition among tech nerds.

[mikezephyr]

let's not also forget that the impetus for state-funded technological development consistently serves military power. take highways, nukes, the electric grid and railways.

canadian and american history shows this clearly. westward expansion was for the exploitation of the new continent for superprofits.

[Irtidad]

Yes of course, that was even mentioned in this video.

[mikezephyr]

my bad.

[DotPaulish]

This is an interesting discussion.

[buddhagem]

Nice job schooling him.