ETNsyn 1

[SaboeMC]

@nickalisse1 WFNA snads for White Fuming Nitric Acid

[nickalisse1]

What does WFNA stands for?

[nickalisse1]

About ur accidnt was it 2 compressd? Cause smtn like this happend to friend with an AP cap. Was 2 much compressd -> bang! Luckely he didn't get hurt. Y not usin RDX, instead? Is it cause it's more trouble to synthesis? 2nd quest : Is anyone tried to detonate NC made out of NC ping pong balls? Saw a guy did it on YouTube, but cant find it anymore. Read plenty of contradictory infos on it. When u gel some NC with acetone, does it burn as fast as ''nitrocoton balls'' ??

[JohnSopesor83]

Can we make ETN by usual nitration process (using a mixture of nitric and sulfuric acids)???

[334683171014]

@JohnSopesor83 Yes, for some reason i guess the ETN people can't get enough money to either buy the Nitric Acid or get a distillation apparatus. I have a distillation apparatus and i can get 95% fuming Nitric Acid. Go by weight when you're looking for ratio's not volume. Say you have 50g of Erythritol, take 50 * 2.064 and that's how many grams of HNO3 (95%) you need (103.2g). Say you have 500g of Nitric, take 500 * 0.485 and that is 242.5 grams of Erythritol you need.

[334683171014]

@JohnSopesor83 Now the Sulfuric, You wan't to have 98% Sulfuric Acid. Cheapest i've found on that is on the Dudadiesel website, or the Elemental Scientific website. I have always used 2x the volume of sulfuric acid to nitric acid in my nitroglycerin synth's but a lot of people say that a 1:1 ratio by volume will work just fine. You just need enough sulfuric acid to suck up the water that is formed when the NO3 groups replace the OH groups and make water.

[crapbag1997]

so how much erythritol do you add

[viniciusxp100]

I could have written the recipe, and in fact, that there is not explosive pent?

[viniciusxp100]

pliz . what you make the etn ?whats the secret /



[viniciusxp100]

pliz . what you make the etn ?

[stefano415]

+++++++++++++++++++++istructio­ns please

[FireMaestro]

There are some flaws. First of all when you're not stirring you should cover your reaction vessel with something. This way you don't get the nasty fumes in your lungs. Another benefit is that your acid mixture doesn't absorb moisture from the air and you can use a more convenient vessel. Second - you can add the ammonium nitrate in one go - no need for heat. Just let it sit (covered) and stir it occasionally at room temperature. You also don't need a thermometer to keep it under 20 degrees.

[Nitricthunder]

@FireMaestro With such a small scale synthesis you don't get much fumes at all.

[scor9977]

is the etn explosive, was the amo nitraTE explosive when u bought it, alot times it is non potent when buying from lab supplyers, did u test the etn, and if so why was it not on the videos.

[TheCrazyFinn]

At what point did you add the E? =\

[fly2000jtb]

Cool video well done one problem though?!? You never said how much ERYTHRITOL to put into the mix? We think that might be a LITTLE bit of a problem if you dont put the right amount or to much etc.???? Did anyone else out there catch that or did we miss it and the amount was provided on the video? Cool video again Thanks for posting it, Joseph T fly2000jtb

[giorulesallofu]

@tooelitetodetermine Why didnt the ammonium nitrate react with the sulfuric acid to form nitirc acid??!?!?!!

[giorulesallofu]

Why didnt the ammonium nitrate react with the sulfuric acid to form nitirc acid??!?!?!!

[RadioTrefoil]

@giorulesallofu It did... you just can't see the fumes.

[carcano38]

Where to buy erythritol?  Health food stores. Ask for "Z-sweet".

[BloodthirstyGnome]

i stopped using PN in favor of AN for nitrations, AN doesnt produce as much fumes, allowing for indoor synth (with ventilation of course).

[propyropower]

nice vid man

[pluxoperon]

helpful video. couldnt have done it with out ya

[theman2160]

thats why u dont mess with nerds lol... if u wana keep your flat screen

[hellofraz1]

hey great video, ive been synthesizing ETN and various other HE for years but I haven't mastered the god dam filtration after recrystallization, I can't use organic paper filters because the solution of water and strong acids eats it away and also tries to nitrate it. I think I need to invest in a vacuum Buchner funnel and flask paired with a glass fibre filter to quickly drain the water and to extract the ETN. Do you have any tips on filtering the precipitate?

[CanadianPyro1]

@hellofraz1 Why are you trying to filter the precipitate while the acids are still sufficiently concentrated to dissolve and/or react with the filter paper? After the nitration is complete, you should dilute the mixture with at least 10x the reaction volume in cold water to bring the acid concentration down to ~5%. From there you get no reaction with paper filters or hydrolysis of the ester itself. I prefer to use a manual coffee maker and cone filters; it's efficient and has never failed me.

[tuipale]

@CanadianPyro1 yes... but never pour water to acid = causes the nitration bath to boil and formed etn crystals is going to melt, maby explode.

[fly2000jtb]

@CanadianPyro1 cold distilled water? how about the erythritol amount was that in the video or did we just miss it too? Thanks for the heads up on the water bath first then filter, Joseph T fly2000jtb

[CanadianPyro1]

@fly2000jtb Yes, cold distilled water is preferable, but tap water with crushed ice added also works.

As for the amount of erythritol, the proper proportions for this synthesis (If using ammonium nitrate) are 1:4:12 (Erythritol:AN:SA) by mass. You can scale from there, but avoid going above 50g erythritol. Also keep in mind that the density of sulfuric acid varies depending on the concentration, so you'll have to account for that as well.

[ExtremeCrackhead]

@CanadianPyro1 the ratio of AN and SA is3:5 in that video.

[arkfussion]

I realy like your vid : ) did you ever notice that ETN is kinda sweet?

[coplants]

Don't buy from ScienceLab!!! Don't support these thiefs!!

[dawson01912]

@coplants

Exactly, ScienceLab is a fucking RIPOFF!!! These assholes sell shit for 2-3X the normal price!

[recpyro]

@coplants

Where should one buy from?

[spotlightman1234]

@coplants how are they thieves?

[crazy13ukaz]

plz somebody tell me where to get erythritol.. ive checked al pharmacy shops and didnt found in my country..

[freedompyro]

My best yield is 1.5g so far with my AN/KNO3 synth kept at 18-26C.

[jsmithmilitary]

add in small amounts to WHAT(what in the measuring cup) theres something that could get someone hurt i wish i could slap you

[jsmithmilitary]

your gonna get someone killed your explantions

[jsmithmilitary]

you really need to learn how to explain a synthesis thoroughly at 3:40 you go retarded an stop all logic you write add slowly as you pour it in

[EIMScrew90s]

next time you synthesize ETN, try to keep the reaction under 0C.

Much better yields.

[EIMScrew90s]

This is better for stirring but if the temperature is too high a runaway will take place.

In my testings i did the same amounts of all ingredients, the reaction that took place at lower temperatures got a better yield.

First batch was 6g ETN with 6g Erythritol

the second was 9g ETN with 6g Erythritol.

The second batch was keep at 0C.

both batches nitrated for 1.3 hours.

[donnelrj01]

@EIMScrew90s

It's all about control.

Around 20 degrees is ideal, but I can honestly say that higher yields are consistently obtained by higher temperature.

[duenschman]

sorry,

i have to add the erytrite after making the solution from the acid und AN, right? or must i mix the acid with erytrit first?

[boomboom314159]

best video i'v seen on etn. great job!

[SulaFreaks]

btw, where is part 2?:)

[dawson01912]

Yeah, tried your method, ending up with one of the worst nitrations. 1 hour just is not enough. I also do better when H2SO4 is not cooled when AN is added(this dude actually heats his up!).

So, I guess I will be stuck with my good old method.

[SulaFreaks]

holy shit?

How the hell!?

Do you use lab grade ammonium nitrat and sulfuric acid and E?

Or else you must have done something wrong!

[dawson01912]

Naw, it was a farming grade prills 34-0-0.

I will try using KNO3 to see if the results alter but with different nitration times

[EIMScrew90s]

Theirs something wrong with your synthesis.

when i tried this synthesis, i got 9gETN. i nitrated only 6g.

My nitration time was 1,3 hours.

maybe your AN grade isn't good enough.

If you do try the ETN synthesis with KNO3, try freedompryro's method.

[SulaFreaks]

15g of E should be 25g of ETN..

[dawson01912]

Only in your dreams. You'll be lucky to have 10g.

[SulaFreaks]

@dawson01912 haha:P

When your nitriting you should use a high temp. but not to high!

I am nitrating at over 30*C and i'm getting over 20g of ETN(from 15g E)

Getting 10g out of 15g?

If that's your sickest yield, then you should get a hobby:)

cause 1g E gives 1.5-1.6g of ETN!

[SulaFreaks]

@dawson01912 what fumes?

I am not letting the temp go so high that NO2 gasses apperes..

[SulaFreaks]

@dawson01912 Tought you were talking about NO2. Wich i wrote.. read!

that's just HNO3, you don't need those fumes..

[dawson01912]

Most importantly, how long is the nitration period?

Short time produced some shittiest results.

[SulaFreaks]

@dawson01912 30min or 1hour, it depends on the temp!

When the nitration starts the temp is going up, and when the nitration reaxction is done the temp will become lower.

I suck at english

[dawson01912]

??? 30m-1h???

I got 1 g from 5g of erythritol using that time. I have to sit it for at least 6+ hours to get any Ok yield. Many people have encountered the same experience.

If I take out the nitrate product that soon, there just isn't much of it!

[SulaFreaks]

@dawson01912 Sorry but your doing something wrong;)

I have a much better result and experience.

Send me a mail of every step your doing and I will help you;)

[duenschman]

can you help me, because i dont understant that fucking video very well! how much erytrite? i only see the 25ml S.A. and 15g AN. do i have to mix the erytrite to solution, or to the acid before?

[SulaFreaks]

cool down the acid to 0*C and add the AN.

While adding try to keep it below 20*C.

When all the AN is dissolved completely in the acid you can start adding the E.

While your adding the E try to keep the temp between 10*C and 15*C.

When all the E is added then lket the temp rise:) but keep it below 40*C and over 20*C that will give a good yield.

[SulaFreaks]

@dawson01912 .. so I let them escape, yeah.

[mfilip62]

When didn't you showed adding of erythritol in the mix!?

I suppose you did ti before you put flask in the ice bath,because only that makes sense(Lets assume you are not reatrded :-)why you firstly cooled it down than heated it.You dissolved erythritol in the acid and than you added AN,right?!

And use glass next time,it is much easier.

[cyanide444]

FYI, this ain't fuming nitric acid, because fuming would be 100% HNO3, ratehr this is the azeotropic 65% HNO3

[ChemXu]

how much erythritol did you use and how long did you nitrate it for?

[fesss83]

Do you know, whether reaction requires red fuming nitric acid or 65 % enough?

[badass6996]

65% would be perfect for this synth as you can see he uses ammonium nitrate which has a lower yeild (as do all nitrate salts) compared to using a nitric acid solution.

[cyanide444]

Just 65%, but using NH4NO3 or KNO3 is cheaper (but probably more room for runaway reactions and error).

[FOATE]

could you tell me what scale that is?

did you pour it in chilled alcohol in that pyrex glass? How much erytritol did you use? looks like a very nice yield :)

And any chance you are willing to share your source of erytritol? (pm me if you dont want "everyone" to know) i found it hard to find anywhere in europe :/

Very nice vid very clear :)

[tooelitetodetermine]

changed audio, lawl.

[tooelitetodetermine]

put up annotations.

[Roan1414]

Nice but what music did you use because it's been disabled.

[tooelitetodetermine]

Go to the home page and I think it will play. I'm going to update the info about the movie either tonight or tomorrow.