@alvastarr67 As far as we are able to seek, cultivate and exercise stillness of soul, that far we can transcend chaos and depravity with kindness, even during the end times, becoming examples and a comfort to others who will so much need that hope and support. Fear of death, however understandable, is the ultimate vanity of self-importance, so to prepare, perhaps we need to make ourselves as unimportant as possible.
@alvastarr67 Thank you. All I was asking was that you do not allow your great faith to give you such sureness that you are able condemn a man, Nidal Hassan, who found himself in in an extreme conflict, perceiving he had to destroy some people (some of whom he may even have loved) to protect from cruel violence and humiliation hundreds of others who he did not know, but pitied and sympathised deeply with. I imagine he too might have prayed 'lord take this cup from me'. Visit him, ask if you can.
@alvastarr67 Spelling mistake, sorry. I'm a free thinker with an understanding of people of all faiths or lack of faith. All 'beliefs' to me are confidences rather than facts, because, logically speaking, to be 'absolutely, fully' (unquestionably) sure of anything (rather than just usefully sure for decision-making) one would have to know everything past, present and future that could be known. We know infinitely less than that. Absolute sureness is a commonplace, amusing folly.
@alvastarr67 Okay, I'll say it in simpler words: I agree Nidal Hassan chose to serve in the army. But over time circumstances can change one's viewpoint. He was scorned by some fellow soldiers for being a Moslem. He was exposed to grim stories of Iraq, and expected to console US soldiers who'd maimed and killed Moslem families in their homes. What do you expect? He became angry and change sides - decided to help them in the most globally public, convincing and practically effective way possible.
@alvastarr67 Use of the word 'dictates' suggests coercion, rather than considered thought. Hassan is highly educated, highly intelligence. It also implies that the directions from a faith are to be condemned (you seem unable to comprehend a faith different from yours). You might become part of a disorganised, chaotic 'resistance' if 200,000 moslem soldiers with tanks and helicopters and drone bombers invaded the USA to 'help you'.
@alvastarr67 We don't know what circumstances decided Nidal Hassan to join the military - we'd need to ask him instead of speculating so 'absolutely'. We could equally wonder if it was partly because he thought he could influence the military to end the war. Anyway, things don't always turn out as expected, people change accordingly. To me, the dead and Nidal Hassan are a tragedy of America's fatal addiction to cars and petroleum (which my readings suggest are the strategic reason for the war).
Americans bomb and barge into Iraqi living rooms menacing Iraqis with assault rifles. There's so much ugly, violent behaviour that the soldiers return traumatised. They expect a doctor psychiatrist who is an intelligent, declared moslem to comfort them for years and tell them they're doing the right thing. He openly disapproves of the war. The army then posts him to Iraq to contribute to the invasion. He thinks for two days, and acts to spare the Iraquis and those outgoing soldiers that agony.
Lord help us all, this is only going to get worst from here on out, R.I.P to the fallen 15 soldiers, i am getting kinda sick and tired of being politically correct to everyone though i cant say anything to anybody can only say somthing to a straight white christian, what the hell?!
@alvastarr67 As far as we are able to seek, cultivate and exercise stillness of soul, that far we can transcend chaos and depravity with kindness, even during the end times, becoming examples and a comfort to others who will so much need that hope and support. Fear of death, however understandable, is the ultimate vanity of self-importance, so to prepare, perhaps we need to make ourselves as unimportant as possible.
PalmyBruce 1 year ago
@alvastarr67 Thank you. All I was asking was that you do not allow your great faith to give you such sureness that you are able condemn a man, Nidal Hassan, who found himself in in an extreme conflict, perceiving he had to destroy some people (some of whom he may even have loved) to protect from cruel violence and humiliation hundreds of others who he did not know, but pitied and sympathised deeply with. I imagine he too might have prayed 'lord take this cup from me'. Visit him, ask if you can.
PalmyBruce 1 year ago
@alvastarr67 Spelling mistake, sorry. I'm a free thinker with an understanding of people of all faiths or lack of faith. All 'beliefs' to me are confidences rather than facts, because, logically speaking, to be 'absolutely, fully' (unquestionably) sure of anything (rather than just usefully sure for decision-making) one would have to know everything past, present and future that could be known. We know infinitely less than that. Absolute sureness is a commonplace, amusing folly.
PalmyBruce 1 year ago
@alvastarr67 Okay, I'll say it in simpler words: I agree Nidal Hassan chose to serve in the army. But over time circumstances can change one's viewpoint. He was scorned by some fellow soldiers for being a Moslem. He was exposed to grim stories of Iraq, and expected to console US soldiers who'd maimed and killed Moslem families in their homes. What do you expect? He became angry and change sides - decided to help them in the most globally public, convincing and practically effective way possible.
PalmyBruce 1 year ago
@alvastarr67 Use of the word 'dictates' suggests coercion, rather than considered thought. Hassan is highly educated, highly intelligence. It also implies that the directions from a faith are to be condemned (you seem unable to comprehend a faith different from yours). You might become part of a disorganised, chaotic 'resistance' if 200,000 moslem soldiers with tanks and helicopters and drone bombers invaded the USA to 'help you'.
PalmyBruce 1 year ago
@alvastarr67 We don't know what circumstances decided Nidal Hassan to join the military - we'd need to ask him instead of speculating so 'absolutely'. We could equally wonder if it was partly because he thought he could influence the military to end the war. Anyway, things don't always turn out as expected, people change accordingly. To me, the dead and Nidal Hassan are a tragedy of America's fatal addiction to cars and petroleum (which my readings suggest are the strategic reason for the war).
PalmyBruce 1 year ago
He was a psychiatrist! The only way he could have killed any fellow Muslims was if he prescribed them an overdose of Prozac.
DomingoHMaCoolstein 2 years ago
Americans bomb and barge into Iraqi living rooms menacing Iraqis with assault rifles. There's so much ugly, violent behaviour that the soldiers return traumatised. They expect a doctor psychiatrist who is an intelligent, declared moslem to comfort them for years and tell them they're doing the right thing. He openly disapproves of the war. The army then posts him to Iraq to contribute to the invasion. He thinks for two days, and acts to spare the Iraquis and those outgoing soldiers that agony.
PalmyBruce 2 years ago
Lord help us all, this is only going to get worst from here on out, R.I.P to the fallen 15 soldiers, i am getting kinda sick and tired of being politically correct to everyone though i cant say anything to anybody can only say somthing to a straight white christian, what the hell?!
thomas242007 2 years ago
R.I.P to all of the fallen soilders <3
Gam3rgirlz 2 years ago
could not agree more.
andremzk 2 years ago