When A Band Makes an Independent Record Label, they Make Way More Money, So How Are Independent Label Bands Not "Sell Outs" As Well, According To You, All Bands Are Sell Outs! Think Before You Talk.
Calling them out is pointless if you have no vision, if you don't think people can build their own participatory economy (ParEcon). But if you think that AM! could've used their popularity and economic heft to, say, join IndyMedia and form a people's record and promotions label, and that would've strenghthened the revolution, then you need to call sell outs out! Many work & sacrifice to start alt. coops at stuff like the WTO in SEA, so these guys can 'sacrifice' for parecon.org .
@redresonant I think you totally missed my point. Perhaps instead of taking the risk to start something he is making sure that his wife and child are taken care of. Like I said when you have people to take care of your priorities tend to shift. Hes still making music, he still plays old songs and does his thing he just got paid a little bit better. It seems like I ask this question alot on youtube but how old are you ? Do you have a family to look after ?
@xxspliffsmokexx I'm 33, my wife is pregnant, and I'm as concerened about my child getting cancer from petrochemicals in all buildings everywhere, in isotopes leaking and being dumped from radioactive waste, in a generally disorderly, stupid, corrupt, world system of capitalism. So I build a new kind of society, and I host ppl like who AM! used to be, taking advantage of activist, punk communities to support their tours, put them up, feed them. They would've made $200,000 a year in their own lbl
@redresonant How bout social distortion and bad religion did they sell out by being on a major label ? How bout neil young. Sometimes you gotta fight sometimes you gotta not fight and sometimes you just have to hang in there and see what tomorrow brings ? If you own anything made by a major corporation are you a sell out as well ? This is a stupid argument. Its not like AM is working for bp or fuckin people over on wall street. They didnt become cops.Didnt join the military etc.
So do you still defend them selling out? Selling out your children too? How about a society where black people had to pass you to get to the back of the bus, would you like that? NO, then don't slag people who are prepared to sacrifice, laud them, and don't defend USERS like AM! who sell out those who sacrifice for you.
@redresonant No where did I say anything about segregation and I dont see Tom Gabel talking about that either. I dont see against me selling out their children to evil chemical companies either. You need to get a grip. Against me didnt sell out. They are still making music and still talking about issues. Against me isnt using anybody. You know for a fact they would have made 200k ? Is that each or split? After taxes ? Jesus christ man you act like they raped your mom for being on the radio
I'm from Germany, so please excuse that I don't know that much about the situation of environment activists in America. I only watched one documentary film about activists in America and I think Eric's case was mentioned but just these few facts which had been mentioned made me so horrified about the US... I can't understand these dumb Barbies and Kens who praise Americas development in every way and believe in the American dream, who want to move to the US. I fuckin hate the US-government
Gabel's a fuck. He sold out to a record label when he could've gotten in with a number of people's media orgs, and boulstered participatory economy. Also a sell out. Nice that he wrote shit like this, then he went and pretty well negated all of it. This is post sell out, so fine and good for Eric McDavid.
@redresonant Tom Gabel can do whatever the fuck he wants and I guarantee he will never give a shit about what a whiny little prick on the internet like you says about him. He's a fantastic musician and whatever he does is his fucking business. Not yours.
@redresonant Ya know this sellout shit is childish. I used to think like that when I was a 15 year old. As an adult you gotta support your family some how and its prolly alot more fun to play usic than get a 9 to 5. One day when you have a wife kids dogs and a picket fence youll understand this too. I dont like AMs newer shit but still love the old and dont have any beef with any of them.
@xxspliffsmokexx Calling them out is pointless if you have no vision, if you don't think people can build their own participatory economy (ParEcon). But if you think that AM! could've used their popularity and economic heft to, say, join IndyMedia and form a people's record and promotions label, and that would've strenghthened the revolution, then you need to call sell outs out! Many work & sacrifice to start alt. coops at stuff like the WTO in SEA, so these guys can 'sacrifice' for parecon.org.
I'm in the process of writing Eric McDavid a letter. I think it would mean a lot to him to know there is a song about him, and that people think it's wrong. Go to this site for more information. supporteric(DOTORG)/howtohelp
It's the same site that Tom mentions at the end of the song but a link on the page. Please support him, donate so he can make phone calls to loved ones, or so he has postage stamps to write letters. Thank you very much everyone. (It won't let me put a link.)
@Hailsatan420420 It would also mean a lot to vote this up, so more people can see it. I'm not about feeling cool to have a high rated comment, I just want to help Eric through this extremely hard time.
@Hailsatan420420 I had no idea that this was actually related to an event. Thank you for letting me read about it and educating those who don't know. What a tragedy and a huge, disgusting display from our government.
also, communism and socialism are two diferent things. soclism is about equality and everyone taking care of one another, get over the cold war propaganda already. and o bama doesnt want your freedom he realises that you cant have unrestrained freedom, if you allow stupid people freedom they will do stupid things. eg; owning a gun because you can. finally anarchism in toms sense is about reshuffling of the power in society and startng a fresh he doesnt want to kill people and burn shit down
okay this is tom gabel in a nut shell. freedom to do anything aslong as it does not harm anyone else. he is about individualism, harmony, peace, freedom, liberty and upholding morals. He writes whatever music he wants and being left wing does not make you radical nor does right wing, he wants people to think about each other and respect each other. you'r stupid fighting is exactly against what he promotes
lets not fight. lets just appreciate true music for once. music should not devide anyone and if you try to devide people then you dont deserve to listen or feel the same about bands
Hey Tom, if you are done with the movement, maybe you should stop standing on it? You can't have it both ways buddy.You can't both wrap yourself (and your band) in the authenticity of revolutionary struggle and profit on taking a shit on it at the same time.
@maxwellblack36 Just because he doesn't think he can do anything with you, doesn't mean he doesn't think he can do anything. It has to move to be a movement.
@maxwellblack36 I don't feel the need to burn a couple hours making a cute profile but I'm sure you'll change the world with your youtube channel. Maybe you should take it door to door, like the mormons.
@TehAwesomeness Cool. It is settled then. I'm dumb, you are a genius (who can't spell) and Tom is a Great and Glorious freaking Freedom Fighter. You know, like Bono. Now fuck off and get a life. Peace.
Spelling on the internet has nothing to do with intelligence; being a Grammar nazi and complaining about the proper usage of "you" your" and "you're" it just means you lack any intelligent comeback to someone belittling you flawed opinion of a musical artists political position on a particular situation and all you know is that you understood them perfectly and still could only throw a jab at their lack of in a social medium that doesn't give props to proper grammar. U2 fans :/
I do give you credit for this, tom gabel, and I swear that i will be there the day you are released, and I will never forget, not during your time, nor an eternity after. I will be there in support, not to yell my insults, for i have none. And I also say to all who truly care about this world, do not hate your governement, without having proof. This, this is proof. So feel free to ahte the FBI and your governemnt.
time for project mayhem sons....destruction is necessary. nobody needs to get hurt. just like fight club. just make it happen. save the whales. save the salmon. save humanity....make sure no people get hurt. other than that burn that shit down.
@benobodybeau well what we anarchists need to start doing is compiling some sort of party platform. we need a collective piece of documentation that says what we stand for and what our plans are. we need to cover ever aspect of life through our views and show that we are legitamite and we arent in it just to get fucked up and riot on the streets cause when the revolution comes, people are gonna finally be looking to themselves for once and they need to know how to do it. the end.
sure revolution, reform, rebellion blahblahblah, but why prove your point by blowing shit up? im sad to say yes, I can see the comparison to a terrorist organization. maybe if eric followed the peaceful ways of someone like martin luther king jr. and wasn't a dumbass he wouldn't be in prison.
@andrewniwdog I hate to say it, but I agree. Anna made a bunch of idiot kids terrorists, and got away with it, and made a bunch of money, because she was only an "informant." As for Eric, ANYBODY should've said, "Whoah, who are you?" when a chick won't sleep with him, but starts pulling out war plans when they're just trying to smoke a joint...
@andrewniwdog I don't agree with the whole "Martin Luther King" thing, 'cause violence is sometimes necessary. Not here, though. The Nimbus Dam never hurt anyone...
@Hister333 i totally agree, im not some peace lovin hippie shithead, andviolence is necessary when it has a point, but i mean whats the point of blowing up the nimbus dam.
@Hister333 No your absolutely right. The dam didn't hurt anyone. And that's what fucking pisses me off. Hell no, didn't hurt anyone, but think of th animals and the enviroment. everyone always thinks people first. Not to make this a rant but, humans do 100x more harm than good. To those who give a shit about the enviroment, and using violence to restore the world, you are the future.
@urbandeth What animals got hurt? Not the fish. According to the law, if you build a dam that blocks spawning waters, you have to build a fish ladder that allows the fish to fish upstream.
After spending a few hours reading as much information i could find on this topic. I must say i agree the government should seek out those who wish harm and destruction. HOWEVER the act of entrapment is plastered all over this, Eric didn't come up with the idea to blow any thing up, it was Anna. He didnt have the resources to comite such an act. Im sure this is a broke record for most people but a shock too me. Eric i am just one man but you have my support.
" may the likes of this song never make one fucking dollar, leave it for a demo tape to be played until it's broken, then be remember only for what it was, that we gave 'em hell"
The truth is that all the people that cry about bands selling. Are people that have no life and want bands to stay obscure so that can feel inportant because they know and like said band. So when the band gets more props they say the band soldout. News flash to all you DAs. Bands want to be famous. Thats why that start in the first place. SEX DRUGS AND ROCKING FUCKING ROLL. Oh and also MONEY.
@Michiganman2cali i don't necessarily think they start to get famous, more of like an outlet for their feelings and everything. so they can be the band they wanna hear. but i'm sure making it big was somewhere in their mind...
@Michiganman2cali Ever listen to Reinventing axl rose? Look it up. The lyrics too.
Judging by the words to that song, against me! didn't start for the sex, drugs, money or fame. There's a reason so many fans are mad at against me! and it's not because they want to feel important, it's because they wrote songs against becoming a radio variety rock band and then they became one. They used to sound like they were having so much fun...
You must have just heard against me! for the first time last week.......
"We want a band who plays loud and hard every night, and doesn't care how many people are counted at the door. That would travel one million miles and ask for nothing more than a plate of food and a place to rest. They'd strike chords that cut like a knife. It'd mean so much more than t-shirt or a ticket stub."
does that sound like they are in it for fame, you know nothing about being in a band
@riotfolk77 LOL. Ok Fucktard. No need to sound good just loud? No need to have meaning just be hard? How the hell do you travel a million miles with no money? Wnat a moron you are. I bet you voted for Obama. You sound like a fucking Socialist. Good luck in the real world Spongebob.
......... really?Did you not get that those were Against Me! lyrics? I thought I pretty much said that. I mean I even put it in quotations, implying that those are not my own words. Those are lyrics to the song reinventing axl rose. I'm also not sure how wanting to be in a band that plays for the music would make me a socialist in any case. Why would you be listening to Tom Gabel if you don't even agree with the political nature of the band, you're obviously right wing.
@Michiganman2cali Dude, learn what the hell you're saying before you say it. Absolutely nothing in your comment had substance and the insults about intelligence by mention Obama and socialism don't make you seem smart if they have nothing to do with the discussion and make no sense in context.
Bands get more popular, opinions change, their sound fucking changes. Stop getting your panties in a knot because Against Me! grew up and decided they didn't want to be anarchists anymore. So what if they "sold out", they're old stuff was still fucking awesome. Well, unless your attention span is so short that you're already bored of it.
Bands will change and you won't like it. Get the fuck over it and stop bitching.
You know if you think about it, if Against Me did everything that their needy fans wanted, wouldn't that make them, i dunno.... anti punk? since they are obeying what people want and are expected of them? They do what they want to do and I love it all. Fans should go listen old stuff and stop their bitching about their new stuff.
@spunkz88 i agree with you 100%. people need to get over themselves. against me! is an amazing band, and everyone sells out at some point, and against me! hasn't sold out as hard as a lot of bands have in the past. i love their new stuff and their old stuff, i was a teenage anarchist is a sick song and i don't give a shit what anyone says. i personally think gabel's solo stuff is absolutely fantastic. if you're going to complain about their popularity etc. you're not a real fan to begin with
Well I wouldnt even call them "sell outs". I mean, hell they still make good music! Its not like they live off of selling their songs. Gabel even said he didnt want any drama to the people leaking his albums and gave up his lyrics so people can sing along to them. Im sure if he was a "sell out" hed complain and bitch to fans how downloading is wrong and stuff. so damn. but yeah. his solo stuff is great. :)
@thphlstr2 The trouble with entrapment as a defense is that you have to convince the judge/jury that the defendant would not have been likely to commit the offense. I imagine they just point out your politics and let the misconceptions do the rest of the dirty work.
besides that anna should burn in hell for this, this is borderline entrapment, if not 100%.
Def: "In criminal law, entrapment is when a law enforcement agent induces a person to commit an offense which the person would otherwise have been unlikely to commit.[1] In many jurisdictions, entrapment is a possible defense against criminal liability."
@thphlstr2 Anna didn't work for the FBI. That's how they get away with this shit. Hell, Lee Harvey Oswald "worked for the FBI" in the capacity that Anna did.
@thphlstr2 The FBI was not established to create crime. It was established to study criminals. When FBI agents can't break the law, they depend on informants to get their facts to them. Anna is the evil person here, not the government. She abused her position, and created criminals.
@thphlstr2 anna isnt her name... her name is kept anonymous and in our current police state it is totally fine for the government to do exactly as they are doing.... unless you plan on starting a revolution... shut the fuck up.
@thphlstr2 Anna wasn't an FBI agent. She was an "informant." It's a loophole which shames our justice system. Not to mention how much money she was paid...
@thphlstr2 This is an abuse of FBI policy. Their "informants" are there to report crimes, not create them. Although, to be fair, all of the defendents involved are idiots. For one, why pick on the Nimbus Dam?
@thphlstr2 She wasn't a "law enforcement agent," though. She was an "informant." I, personally, think that McDavid was an idiot, but I also think Anna exploited the leeway the FBI gives "informants", and created a criminal. And, I disagree about her burning in hell. I'm an atheist. I want her burning right here, right now.
@thphlstr2 If there is a God, she will. But "Anna" wasn't a law enforcement agent. She was an "informant." She abused the intentions of the rules of informants. While I hate the people involved, she SHOULD HAVE committed a crime.
yeah no joke ...i dont know about you but i wish more people like her were good at there jobs, stopping terrorism, and i love tom and against me BUT im def tryin to stop people from bombin there own damn country
@HomelessPeopleFilms But it's okay to blow up other people's countries? Typical reformist hypocrisy. Here's a quote from this here American: FUCK AMERICA. BURN OLD GLORY. The black flag is the only flag for me. :)
@AnakiAlive But...as Tom Gabel has said before: "For if it's heresy for an Anarchist to say "FUCK Anarchy" then Anarchism is truly just another flag, and I say burn it along with the rest of them."
@AllApologiesProd What pretentious, pseudo-intellectual bullshit. They sold out. They're not the world's first sellouts. They're also not the first to try savin' face with smoke and mirrors. At any rate, fuck 'em.
@AnakiAlive Well said. I'm already sick of seeing that pretentious, poxy quote being used by Gabel apologists everywhere. Is that the best they've got? Jeez.
@HomelessPeopleFilms ...that's the whole point. She gave them the recipes, drove them places, paid the rent, encouraged them to go on with it, essentially was the planner and main participator in it, then handed them over to the cops and said 'hey look what i got them to do'
th'plans were "hers" to bomb 'there (*their, btw) own damn country'
I bet all you people that think Anna is to blame also believe in man made global warming, even though the earth's climate has been in a constant cycle of change since the begging of time. even after the climate scientist have admitted to forging results on climate data people still believe in the big lie, I believe we need pollution resolutions myself, I don't wanna drink or breathe dirty air and water, but I also know these people stand to make billions of dollars if cap and trade bill passes
That had nothing to do with anything previously said. You sound like the guy in the bar in "Goodwill Hunting," blabbing on about irrelevant bullshit in an attempt impress everyone with your "knowledge".
sounds like anna's an american hero to me, to bad there wasn't an anna in old Timothy's life in Oklahoma. He was going to blow up a damn dam lol TERRORISM just as if an anti abortionist who blows up abortion clinics. Not to mention she had to keep her cover so she did what she had to. It all comes down to personal responsibility. Like the old saying goes," If all your friends jumped off a bridge" and the left wing does intrude on personal lives, look how their tryin to pass the national id card
In the social sphere it means there are no restrictions at all for individual rights.
Concerning the economy, anarchism advocates an economy run not by the companies,not by the government but by the workers,those who produce themselves.
Concerning how society is run anarchism advocates direct democracy, it means important decisions are made by everyone not just by representatives
This is all true, however, anarchists don't see that this would be impossible. If there is no government to regulate or uphold laws, then we are free to do whatever it is that we please. If we want to piss behind a building, it's cool. But also, if we ran out of milk and don't have a cow to get more, We could take it from our neighbor, and shoot him if he stops us. Which also leaves open places for just about anybody to take control, then it's back to square one.
Ahh, yes my friend, it is. But most 'Fuck government' kids are a little too uneducated to realize it. That's why I'm a Conservative Republican. I believe we need a government, but one that's scared of it's citizens. I just like this song because it's funny as Hell. I like Tom Gabel's music. Just not his ideals. Great artist, fun to play, I've written some pretty cool lead guitar to all his songs :)
Between Bob Dylan, Dave King, and Tom Gabel. These are the three artists who have inspired me to pick up a guitar in recent time. They showed me that you don't need anything more than simple chords and a properly tuned guitar to make a great song!
Because Eric and Anna "shared" the same political ideals. She agreed with him so that Eric would lower his guard and she could trick him. He's talking about anarchism in terms of "left wing politics." :)
It is confusing as well, because I know that Tom Gabel isn't completely ignorant in politics, but most of your domestic, anarchist terrorists are all left wingers, although liberalism is about the government having as much control as possible. Conservatism is about government FOR the people, BY the people, and under discrimination OF the people.
It doesn't make sense, but men lik Bill Ayers are all hardcore left-wing liberals. Meaning that they stand by the idea that the Government should control just about everything. Not much sense at all.
No on the left wing you believe the business should be government controlled. Like you choose your career etc it is just your job will be owned by the government instead of a corporation. Your personal life is still your own, it is on the right wing of the political spectrum that it goes "HOLY FUCK HE HAD SEX WITH A MAN CALL A SWAT TEAM". Basically the right grants economic freedom but controls your life and the left would grant you personal freedom but no economic freedom.
This is incorrect. Completely. Other than the ecomnomic. And no, the left wing doesn't believe in entreprenuership, competitive edge, or inginuity. If they could have their choice, they would love to decide our careers, and to pay a doctor the same as a cashier at WalMart. And sure, there are radicals on the right who say uneducated things like "HOLY FUCK HE HAD SEX WITH A MAN CALL A SWAT TEAM". But there area also radicals IN POWER on the left. Like Bill Ayers, who stated, "We are not sorry for
There are no radicals in any position of power in the left in the United States. The left wing in the United States is simply left of the GOP and is usually in the center.Bill Ayers is radical, Bill Ayers does not have a following of a movement such as the Oath Keepers who recently were found with a member who owned a grenade launcher.
No radicals in the left? Try looking at almost every cabinet member. But with that statement, I realize that you're just not up to par as far as debating goes.
Every cabinet member? Really you probably believe Obama is a socialist to. You aren't up to par for debating not me. Van Jones was the only cabinet member you could even consider calling a radical. I did not say there were no radicals in the left, I said no radicals in positions of power in the left. You don't find me not to par to debate you realize you aren't up to par to debate on an intellectual level because your rhetoric holds not factual base.
the bombings, but rather think we did not do enough." Now, you based your statement not necissarily on a radical right wing extremist, but rather a christian extremist. In this world, there are people of extremist religion ALL over the world, and guess what? They are also in the left wing. Do you not think that there are not Christian extremists who think that homosexuals should be executed in the left? You are entirely wrong about most of your statements above. The definition of Convservatism
is the government using as little power as possible while still upholding peace and order. Hints the name, "Conservatism". For conservative use of power. Liberalism is defined by using very liberal use of power of the government, far exceeding what the constitution states. You should study politics, or perhaps political science, so you can make stronger arguments, without voiding them with false information, sir.
Perhaps you should then sir, Conservatism is not conservation of power it refers to keeping the status quo. It comes from the French Revolution where people who wished to keep the King sat on the right. Although nice try at swinging things for a conservative bias.
No it isn't conservatism for the conservation of the status quo. For example, during the American Revolution conservatives would have supported the King of England. Do you understand what a conservative is, you are using rhetoric that was spoon fed to you most likely by Fox News.
i think before people start posting comments saying one thing or another, they should probably know what happened first. cause otherwise youre just talking out of your ass
he wouldn't have done it moron....he was an ANIMAL activist....he would have freed monkeys and shit if it weren't for her putting the idea in his head....She told him how to do it, where to do it, and paid for it...
When A Band Makes an Independent Record Label, they Make Way More Money, So How Are Independent Label Bands Not "Sell Outs" As Well, According To You, All Bands Are Sell Outs! Think Before You Talk.
kissfansince82 1 day ago
i <3 tom gabel
breannenyquist 3 days ago
Calling them out is pointless if you have no vision, if you don't think people can build their own participatory economy (ParEcon). But if you think that AM! could've used their popularity and economic heft to, say, join IndyMedia and form a people's record and promotions label, and that would've strenghthened the revolution, then you need to call sell outs out! Many work & sacrifice to start alt. coops at stuff like the WTO in SEA, so these guys can 'sacrifice' for parecon.org .
redresonant 2 months ago
@redresonant I think you totally missed my point. Perhaps instead of taking the risk to start something he is making sure that his wife and child are taken care of. Like I said when you have people to take care of your priorities tend to shift. Hes still making music, he still plays old songs and does his thing he just got paid a little bit better. It seems like I ask this question alot on youtube but how old are you ? Do you have a family to look after ?
xxspliffsmokexx 2 months ago
@xxspliffsmokexx I'm 33, my wife is pregnant, and I'm as concerened about my child getting cancer from petrochemicals in all buildings everywhere, in isotopes leaking and being dumped from radioactive waste, in a generally disorderly, stupid, corrupt, world system of capitalism. So I build a new kind of society, and I host ppl like who AM! used to be, taking advantage of activist, punk communities to support their tours, put them up, feed them. They would've made $200,000 a year in their own lbl
redresonant 2 months ago
@redresonant How bout social distortion and bad religion did they sell out by being on a major label ? How bout neil young. Sometimes you gotta fight sometimes you gotta not fight and sometimes you just have to hang in there and see what tomorrow brings ? If you own anything made by a major corporation are you a sell out as well ? This is a stupid argument. Its not like AM is working for bp or fuckin people over on wall street. They didnt become cops.Didnt join the military etc.
xxspliffsmokexx 2 months ago
So do you still defend them selling out? Selling out your children too? How about a society where black people had to pass you to get to the back of the bus, would you like that? NO, then don't slag people who are prepared to sacrifice, laud them, and don't defend USERS like AM! who sell out those who sacrifice for you.
redresonant 2 months ago
@redresonant No where did I say anything about segregation and I dont see Tom Gabel talking about that either. I dont see against me selling out their children to evil chemical companies either. You need to get a grip. Against me didnt sell out. They are still making music and still talking about issues. Against me isnt using anybody. You know for a fact they would have made 200k ? Is that each or split? After taxes ? Jesus christ man you act like they raped your mom for being on the radio
xxspliffsmokexx 2 months ago
Eric McDavid bragged about killing cops. Anna abused the informant rules to ruin him. This is basically Sid and Nancy the way it should've been...
Hister333 2 months ago
I'm from Germany, so please excuse that I don't know that much about the situation of environment activists in America. I only watched one documentary film about activists in America and I think Eric's case was mentioned but just these few facts which had been mentioned made me so horrified about the US... I can't understand these dumb Barbies and Kens who praise Americas development in every way and believe in the American dream, who want to move to the US. I fuckin hate the US-government
theSchneckNo1 2 months ago
@theSchneckNo1 "we're all living in america"
- rammstein., very true lyric
ThePoohat 1 month ago
Gabel's a fuck. He sold out to a record label when he could've gotten in with a number of people's media orgs, and boulstered participatory economy. Also a sell out. Nice that he wrote shit like this, then he went and pretty well negated all of it. This is post sell out, so fine and good for Eric McDavid.
redresonant 3 months ago
@redresonant ....if only he were as real as you. If only.
slipperypete619 3 months ago
@redresonant Tom Gabel can do whatever the fuck he wants and I guarantee he will never give a shit about what a whiny little prick on the internet like you says about him. He's a fantastic musician and whatever he does is his fucking business. Not yours.
OmeguhSaskwach 2 months ago
@redresonant you dont understand the ins and outs of the music world do you guy?
squeeze55 2 months ago
@redresonant Ya know this sellout shit is childish. I used to think like that when I was a 15 year old. As an adult you gotta support your family some how and its prolly alot more fun to play usic than get a 9 to 5. One day when you have a wife kids dogs and a picket fence youll understand this too. I dont like AMs newer shit but still love the old and dont have any beef with any of them.
xxspliffsmokexx 2 months ago
@xxspliffsmokexx Calling them out is pointless if you have no vision, if you don't think people can build their own participatory economy (ParEcon). But if you think that AM! could've used their popularity and economic heft to, say, join IndyMedia and form a people's record and promotions label, and that would've strenghthened the revolution, then you need to call sell outs out! Many work & sacrifice to start alt. coops at stuff like the WTO in SEA, so these guys can 'sacrifice' for parecon.org.
redresonant 2 months ago
125.000ème vue. :D
HillaryGolay 4 months ago
I'm in the process of writing Eric McDavid a letter. I think it would mean a lot to him to know there is a song about him, and that people think it's wrong. Go to this site for more information. supporteric(DOTORG)/howtohelp
It's the same site that Tom mentions at the end of the song but a link on the page. Please support him, donate so he can make phone calls to loved ones, or so he has postage stamps to write letters. Thank you very much everyone. (It won't let me put a link.)
Hailsatan420420 5 months ago in playlist against me! 11
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@Hailsatan420420 It would also mean a lot to vote this up, so more people can see it. I'm not about feeling cool to have a high rated comment, I just want to help Eric through this extremely hard time.
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@Hailsatan420420 I had no idea that this was actually related to an event. Thank you for letting me read about it and educating those who don't know. What a tragedy and a huge, disgusting display from our government.
jnccod 4 hours ago
Great tips that none of us already knew........
ssriderful 5 months ago
13 people know Anna, and should tell us where she lives...
Hister333 5 months ago 2
what harmonica use tom gabel??? pls answerd!
TheBlink182men 5 months ago
It's different and very direct, I like it Tom.
Axworth 6 months ago
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BauhausWASTE 7 months ago
Please do a song with Brian Fallon, it would literally make my life.
88M8A8X88 7 months ago 2
@88M8A8X88 No... your parents fucking. That's what "literally" made your life...
MrBoobs457 7 months ago
@MrBoobs457 LOL, but I would love that to happen, Brian Fallon and Tom Gable two of the best...
Chrazzari 7 months ago
@MrBoobs457 hahahahaha that comment literally made my day
madspoonful 7 months ago
@88M8A8X88 Same
Chrazzari 7 months ago
anna thinks shes a hawk she just a fuckin bitch
MichealZero1 7 months ago
What key harmonica is this?
BannedFromHeaven616 7 months ago
@BannedFromHeaven616 I'm thinking either key of A or key of D. Probably A cuz it sounds like the song is in D
squashbucket70 7 months ago
Anna is a cunt and should be hung
cozzi1930 8 months ago 2
also, communism and socialism are two diferent things. soclism is about equality and everyone taking care of one another, get over the cold war propaganda already. and o bama doesnt want your freedom he realises that you cant have unrestrained freedom, if you allow stupid people freedom they will do stupid things. eg; owning a gun because you can. finally anarchism in toms sense is about reshuffling of the power in society and startng a fresh he doesnt want to kill people and burn shit down
resist360 9 months ago
okay this is tom gabel in a nut shell. freedom to do anything aslong as it does not harm anyone else. he is about individualism, harmony, peace, freedom, liberty and upholding morals. He writes whatever music he wants and being left wing does not make you radical nor does right wing, he wants people to think about each other and respect each other. you'r stupid fighting is exactly against what he promotes
resist360 9 months ago
lets not fight. lets just appreciate true music for once. music should not devide anyone and if you try to devide people then you dont deserve to listen or feel the same about bands
Bonerjams98 9 months ago
12 people are stool pigeons
prop8604 10 months ago
God damnit! This whole CD should've just been him, an acoustic, and a harmonica.
geezer6970 10 months ago
Hey Tom, if you are done with the movement, maybe you should stop standing on it? You can't have it both ways buddy.You can't both wrap yourself (and your band) in the authenticity of revolutionary struggle and profit on taking a shit on it at the same time.
maxwellblack36 11 months ago
@maxwellblack36 Just because he doesn't think he can do anything with you, doesn't mean he doesn't think he can do anything. It has to move to be a movement.
mrtricky1318 11 months ago
@mrtricky1318
Hey, I love "your" fake profile rent-a-cop.
maxwellblack36 10 months ago
@maxwellblack36 I don't feel the need to burn a couple hours making a cute profile but I'm sure you'll change the world with your youtube channel. Maybe you should take it door to door, like the mormons.
mrtricky1318 10 months ago 2
@maxwellblack36
your dumb lol
TehAwesomeness 10 months ago
@TehAwesomeness
...and YOU'RE clearly a genius.
maxwellblack36 10 months ago
@maxwellblack36
Lol, you're clever saying the same thing but changing the words to sound smarter
TehAwesomeness 10 months ago
@TehAwesomeness The "changing the words" you refer to is called a spelling correction. Now go away.
maxwellblack36 10 months ago
@maxwellblack36
Nevermind, I changed my mind, you're pretty dumb and lacking the original cleverness I say in your previous posting.
TehAwesomeness 9 months ago
@TehAwesomeness Cool. It is settled then. I'm dumb, you are a genius (who can't spell) and Tom is a Great and Glorious freaking Freedom Fighter. You know, like Bono. Now fuck off and get a life. Peace.
maxwellblack36 9 months ago
@maxwellblack36
Spelling on the internet has nothing to do with intelligence; being a Grammar nazi and complaining about the proper usage of "you" your" and "you're" it just means you lack any intelligent comeback to someone belittling you flawed opinion of a musical artists political position on a particular situation and all you know is that you understood them perfectly and still could only throw a jab at their lack of in a social medium that doesn't give props to proper grammar. U2 fans :/
TehAwesomeness 9 months ago 5
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TehAwesomeness 10 months ago
@TehAwesomeness you replied to yourself and called yourself dumb and not clever
1fatkid2 9 months ago
@1fatkid2
Where?
TehAwesomeness 9 months ago
Entrapment? The court doesnt give a fuck about entrapment and neither do cops.
75gas 11 months ago 3
I do give you credit for this, tom gabel, and I swear that i will be there the day you are released, and I will never forget, not during your time, nor an eternity after. I will be there in support, not to yell my insults, for i have none. And I also say to all who truly care about this world, do not hate your governement, without having proof. This, this is proof. So feel free to ahte the FBI and your governemnt.
3mangafan 11 months ago
oh god. I feel so awkward about all these comments since MY name is anna :P
152yavol 11 months ago
tom gabel you sexy, sexy man. this song is amazing <3
xHeartxGrenadex 11 months ago
@alphabettown613 best comment ever because it's totally true <3.
xoxBreannaxox123 1 year ago
i've just been clicking repeat for hours now
LucyFord32 1 year ago 2
I'm a huge fan.
This might be one of my favorites.
I love you.
youredead85 1 year ago
You don't have to like anything to agree with it and you don't have to agree with anything to like it.
fightvonstarter 1 year ago 19
@fightvonstarter I personally think Eric was a complete idiot. I also think Anna needs her house burned with her in it.
Hister333 7 months ago
time for project mayhem sons....destruction is necessary. nobody needs to get hurt. just like fight club. just make it happen. save the whales. save the salmon. save humanity....make sure no people get hurt. other than that burn that shit down.
benobodybeau 1 year ago 2
@benobodybeau well what we anarchists need to start doing is compiling some sort of party platform. we need a collective piece of documentation that says what we stand for and what our plans are. we need to cover ever aspect of life through our views and show that we are legitamite and we arent in it just to get fucked up and riot on the streets cause when the revolution comes, people are gonna finally be looking to themselves for once and they need to know how to do it. the end.
Jazon999 1 year ago
@Jazon999
Anarchy is order and organization!
en.wikipedia (dot) org/wiki/Platformism
utubenotgoodasgvideo 1 year ago
@utubenotgoodasgvideo
Also...
en.wikipedia (dot) org/wiki/Especifismo
anarkismo (dot) net/index.php
anarchistblackcat (dot) org
utubenotgoodasgvideo 1 year ago
FranticallyFantastic.
Can I get a Amen!
HA! Amazing! :)
GutterDoll138 1 year ago
That's what all need to find out: where does she live? It's funtime.
Hister333 1 year ago
sure revolution, reform, rebellion blahblahblah, but why prove your point by blowing shit up? im sad to say yes, I can see the comparison to a terrorist organization. maybe if eric followed the peaceful ways of someone like martin luther king jr. and wasn't a dumbass he wouldn't be in prison.
Anna is a bitch too, they're all stupid.
andrewniwdog 1 year ago 2
@andrewniwdog I hate to say it, but I agree. Anna made a bunch of idiot kids terrorists, and got away with it, and made a bunch of money, because she was only an "informant." As for Eric, ANYBODY should've said, "Whoah, who are you?" when a chick won't sleep with him, but starts pulling out war plans when they're just trying to smoke a joint...
Hister333 1 year ago
@andrewniwdog I don't agree with the whole "Martin Luther King" thing, 'cause violence is sometimes necessary. Not here, though. The Nimbus Dam never hurt anyone...
Hister333 1 year ago
@Hister333 i totally agree, im not some peace lovin hippie shithead, andviolence is necessary when it has a point, but i mean whats the point of blowing up the nimbus dam.
andrewniwdog 1 year ago
@Hister333 No your absolutely right. The dam didn't hurt anyone. And that's what fucking pisses me off. Hell no, didn't hurt anyone, but think of th animals and the enviroment. everyone always thinks people first. Not to make this a rant but, humans do 100x more harm than good. To those who give a shit about the enviroment, and using violence to restore the world, you are the future.
urbandeth 1 year ago
@urbandeth What animals got hurt? Not the fish. According to the law, if you build a dam that blocks spawning waters, you have to build a fish ladder that allows the fish to fish upstream.
Hister333 1 year ago
Basing a song on real life events is no excuse to make a turd song
balme 1 year ago
Jeez, Anna's a b*tch.
166266366 1 year ago
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omg he can not play the harmonica.
MikeSkiera 1 year ago
@MikeSkiera And I bet you can't either. XD
mrwobbleheaddeluxe 1 year ago
@mrwobbleheaddeluxe actually, I can. XD
MikeSkiera 1 year ago
@MikeSkiera Fuckin A man, make a vid, show up good ole Tom!
mrwobbleheaddeluxe 1 year ago
After spending a few hours reading as much information i could find on this topic. I must say i agree the government should seek out those who wish harm and destruction. HOWEVER the act of entrapment is plastered all over this, Eric didn't come up with the idea to blow any thing up, it was Anna. He didnt have the resources to comite such an act. Im sure this is a broke record for most people but a shock too me. Eric i am just one man but you have my support.
TheWowfooty 1 year ago
Sorry i dont mean to be ignorant, but from the comments im under the understanding this song is recount actual events?
TheWowfooty 1 year ago
@TheWowfooty Yep, at the end, he talks about Eric McDavid
qdd10 1 year ago
haha "shes just a fuckin snitch!!" lol kickass!
Killnatas 1 year ago
Nice Song.. =)
I know this song from redflufflykins haha she has the female voice of you Thomas.. :P
Marcoj1988 1 year ago
" may the likes of this song never make one fucking dollar, leave it for a demo tape to be played until it's broken, then be remember only for what it was, that we gave 'em hell"
alphabettown613 1 year ago 73
@alphabettown613 that is my favorite against me song. so so good. and so many people who will never hear it
morbidfox1 1 year ago
@alphabettown613 Amen.
Hister333 1 year ago
@alphabettown613 This may be the best comment I've ever heard on youtube.
Two thumbs and a hard-on up.
hazardous011 1 year ago
@alphabettown613 wrong song fool
slightlyjosh 9 months ago
@alphabettown613 Yeah! Fuck them for trying to live off of what they love!
MoreThanMike 7 months ago
@MoreThanMike I think those are in quotes because they are Against Me! lyrics...
fecesfiction 6 months ago
@fecesfiction I know.
MoreThanMike 6 months ago
The truth is that all the people that cry about bands selling. Are people that have no life and want bands to stay obscure so that can feel inportant because they know and like said band. So when the band gets more props they say the band soldout. News flash to all you DAs. Bands want to be famous. Thats why that start in the first place. SEX DRUGS AND ROCKING FUCKING ROLL. Oh and also MONEY.
Michiganman2cali 1 year ago
@Michiganman2cali i don't necessarily think they start to get famous, more of like an outlet for their feelings and everything. so they can be the band they wanna hear. but i'm sure making it big was somewhere in their mind...
loyaltallie 1 year ago
@Michiganman2cali Ever listen to Reinventing axl rose? Look it up. The lyrics too.
Judging by the words to that song, against me! didn't start for the sex, drugs, money or fame. There's a reason so many fans are mad at against me! and it's not because they want to feel important, it's because they wrote songs against becoming a radio variety rock band and then they became one. They used to sound like they were having so much fun...
lxmxn 1 year ago
@Michiganman2cali
You must have just heard against me! for the first time last week.......
"We want a band who plays loud and hard every night, and doesn't care how many people are counted at the door. That would travel one million miles and ask for nothing more than a plate of food and a place to rest. They'd strike chords that cut like a knife. It'd mean so much more than t-shirt or a ticket stub."
does that sound like they are in it for fame, you know nothing about being in a band
riotfolk77 1 year ago
@riotfolk77 LOL. Ok Fucktard. No need to sound good just loud? No need to have meaning just be hard? How the hell do you travel a million miles with no money? Wnat a moron you are. I bet you voted for Obama. You sound like a fucking Socialist. Good luck in the real world Spongebob.
Michiganman2cali 1 year ago
@Michiganman2cali
......... really?Did you not get that those were Against Me! lyrics? I thought I pretty much said that. I mean I even put it in quotations, implying that those are not my own words. Those are lyrics to the song reinventing axl rose. I'm also not sure how wanting to be in a band that plays for the music would make me a socialist in any case. Why would you be listening to Tom Gabel if you don't even agree with the political nature of the band, you're obviously right wing.
riotfolk77 1 year ago
@Michiganman2cali Dude, learn what the hell you're saying before you say it. Absolutely nothing in your comment had substance and the insults about intelligence by mention Obama and socialism don't make you seem smart if they have nothing to do with the discussion and make no sense in context.
hellishwasteland 1 year ago
sacto represent...
coolvidsrule 1 year ago
anna's a posing bitch!!!!
michigan3204 1 year ago
Bands get more popular, opinions change, their sound fucking changes. Stop getting your panties in a knot because Against Me! grew up and decided they didn't want to be anarchists anymore. So what if they "sold out", they're old stuff was still fucking awesome. Well, unless your attention span is so short that you're already bored of it.
Bands will change and you won't like it. Get the fuck over it and stop bitching.
ColourCodedQuotes 1 year ago 2
@ColourCodedQuotes
Jesus Fuck!!!Someone with fucking brains!!
I'm also sick of these bitchy fans.
You know if you think about it, if Against Me did everything that their needy fans wanted, wouldn't that make them, i dunno.... anti punk? since they are obeying what people want and are expected of them? They do what they want to do and I love it all. Fans should go listen old stuff and stop their bitching about their new stuff.
spunkz88 1 year ago
@spunkz88 i agree with you 100%. people need to get over themselves. against me! is an amazing band, and everyone sells out at some point, and against me! hasn't sold out as hard as a lot of bands have in the past. i love their new stuff and their old stuff, i was a teenage anarchist is a sick song and i don't give a shit what anyone says. i personally think gabel's solo stuff is absolutely fantastic. if you're going to complain about their popularity etc. you're not a real fan to begin with
plastickxx 1 year ago
@plastickxx
Well I wouldnt even call them "sell outs". I mean, hell they still make good music! Its not like they live off of selling their songs. Gabel even said he didnt want any drama to the people leaking his albums and gave up his lyrics so people can sing along to them. Im sure if he was a "sell out" hed complain and bitch to fans how downloading is wrong and stuff. so damn. but yeah. his solo stuff is great. :)
spunkz88 1 year ago
This song absolutely blows the entire White Crosses album clean out of the fucking water. How could it all go so wrong?
Tom, you sold your soul and I hope White Crosses fucking tanks.
03h98u 1 year ago
Fuck Anna!!!
420blasted 1 year ago
this is amazing, some great stuff right here. thanks for posting this.
crucialdudechris 1 year ago
Dude that's one fucked up story! Good luck Eric!! Anna you Fucking stool pigeon snitching bitch!
Gargrith 1 year ago
IM GAY
xoxbandgeekxox23 1 year ago 3
@xoxbandgeekxox23
Cool story, bro.
gdrugg2006 1 year ago
No, you cant shoot your neighbour. This is very crucial : There is no freedom without responsibility, and there is no responsability without freedom
77Vigil 1 year ago
I live near here.
Weird.
Like I've been here.
StratoCatser 1 year ago
Entrapment: see 1:43
"she encouraged her friends to follow through with thier plans"
thphlstr2 1 year ago
@thphlstr2 The trouble with entrapment as a defense is that you have to convince the judge/jury that the defendant would not have been likely to commit the offense. I imagine they just point out your politics and let the misconceptions do the rest of the dirty work.
AnakiAlive 1 year ago
besides that anna should burn in hell for this, this is borderline entrapment, if not 100%.
Def: "In criminal law, entrapment is when a law enforcement agent induces a person to commit an offense which the person would otherwise have been unlikely to commit.[1] In many jurisdictions, entrapment is a possible defense against criminal liability."
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eliastannermusic 1 year ago
@thphlstr2 Anna didn't work for the FBI. That's how they get away with this shit. Hell, Lee Harvey Oswald "worked for the FBI" in the capacity that Anna did.
Hister333 1 year ago
@thphlstr2 The FBI was not established to create crime. It was established to study criminals. When FBI agents can't break the law, they depend on informants to get their facts to them. Anna is the evil person here, not the government. She abused her position, and created criminals.
Hister333 1 year ago
@thphlstr2 I dunno if I said this before, but Anna was NOT a law enforcement agent. There's a bad loophole in the law. I doubt it'll be fixed.
Hister333 1 year ago
@thphlstr2 anna isnt her name... her name is kept anonymous and in our current police state it is totally fine for the government to do exactly as they are doing.... unless you plan on starting a revolution... shut the fuck up.
eliyates2 1 year ago
@thphlstr2 Anna wasn't an FBI agent. She was an "informant." It's a loophole which shames our justice system. Not to mention how much money she was paid...
Hister333 1 year ago
@thphlstr2 anna wasn't a fbi agent so its not entrapment
jahonnay1 10 months ago
@thphlstr2
Not if you trade testimony and remove Anna from the equation.
TehAwesomeness 10 months ago
@thphlstr2 This is an abuse of FBI policy. Their "informants" are there to report crimes, not create them. Although, to be fair, all of the defendents involved are idiots. For one, why pick on the Nimbus Dam?
Hister333 10 months ago
@thphlstr2 She wasn't a "law enforcement agent," though. She was an "informant." I, personally, think that McDavid was an idiot, but I also think Anna exploited the leeway the FBI gives "informants", and created a criminal. And, I disagree about her burning in hell. I'm an atheist. I want her burning right here, right now.
Hister333 9 months ago
@thphlstr2 If there is a God, she will. But "Anna" wasn't a law enforcement agent. She was an "informant." She abused the intentions of the rules of informants. While I hate the people involved, she SHOULD HAVE committed a crime.
Hister333 8 months ago
yeah no joke ...i dont know about you but i wish more people like her were good at there jobs, stopping terrorism, and i love tom and against me BUT im def tryin to stop people from bombin there own damn country
HomelessPeopleFilms 1 year ago
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AnakiAlive 1 year ago
@HomelessPeopleFilms But it's okay to blow up other people's countries? Typical reformist hypocrisy. Here's a quote from this here American: FUCK AMERICA. BURN OLD GLORY. The black flag is the only flag for me. :)
AnakiAlive 1 year ago
@AnakiAlive But...as Tom Gabel has said before: "For if it's heresy for an Anarchist to say "FUCK Anarchy" then Anarchism is truly just another flag, and I say burn it along with the rest of them."
AllApologiesProd 1 year ago 3
@AllApologiesProd What pretentious, pseudo-intellectual bullshit. They sold out. They're not the world's first sellouts. They're also not the first to try savin' face with smoke and mirrors. At any rate, fuck 'em.
AnakiAlive 1 year ago
@AnakiAlive Well said. I'm already sick of seeing that pretentious, poxy quote being used by Gabel apologists everywhere. Is that the best they've got? Jeez.
03h98u 1 year ago
@HomelessPeopleFilms ...that's the whole point. She gave them the recipes, drove them places, paid the rent, encouraged them to go on with it, essentially was the planner and main participator in it, then handed them over to the cops and said 'hey look what i got them to do'
th'plans were "hers" to bomb 'there (*their, btw) own damn country'
xXKatieVengeanceXx 1 year ago
I bet all you people that think Anna is to blame also believe in man made global warming, even though the earth's climate has been in a constant cycle of change since the begging of time. even after the climate scientist have admitted to forging results on climate data people still believe in the big lie, I believe we need pollution resolutions myself, I don't wanna drink or breathe dirty air and water, but I also know these people stand to make billions of dollars if cap and trade bill passes
jonmfsmith 1 year ago
That had nothing to do with anything previously said. You sound like the guy in the bar in "Goodwill Hunting," blabbing on about irrelevant bullshit in an attempt impress everyone with your "knowledge".
Dugan95 1 year ago
yeah it's also called entrapment, learn it. Hence the "She encouraged her friends to follow through with their plans."
Dugan95 1 year ago
sounds like anna's an american hero to me, to bad there wasn't an anna in old Timothy's life in Oklahoma. He was going to blow up a damn dam lol TERRORISM just as if an anti abortionist who blows up abortion clinics. Not to mention she had to keep her cover so she did what she had to. It all comes down to personal responsibility. Like the old saying goes," If all your friends jumped off a bridge" and the left wing does intrude on personal lives, look how their tryin to pass the national id card
jonmfsmith 1 year ago
Lindsey Graham is the one trying to push the National ID card you dumb ass. Lindsey Graham is on the right.
CrackCityRocker1211 1 year ago
wow, intense battle here..
yeah, tom gabel is awesome!
and i can't wait to see him and Against Me! tomorrow!!!!
hmmhmm111 1 year ago
Ok, let me explain this to you.
Tom is an anarchist.
Anarchism is for no government at all.
In the social sphere it means there are no restrictions at all for individual rights.
Concerning the economy, anarchism advocates an economy run not by the companies,not by the government but by the workers,those who produce themselves.
Concerning how society is run anarchism advocates direct democracy, it means important decisions are made by everyone not just by representatives
77Vigil 2 years ago
This is all true, however, anarchists don't see that this would be impossible. If there is no government to regulate or uphold laws, then we are free to do whatever it is that we please. If we want to piss behind a building, it's cool. But also, if we ran out of milk and don't have a cow to get more, We could take it from our neighbor, and shoot him if he stops us. Which also leaves open places for just about anybody to take control, then it's back to square one.
WeAreAsAshesFall 2 years ago
Fuck the government, fuck snitches.
norsemanh2opolo 2 years ago 2
isn't liberalism about like big government?
tommythefuckkotula 2 years ago
Ahh, yes my friend, it is. But most 'Fuck government' kids are a little too uneducated to realize it. That's why I'm a Conservative Republican. I believe we need a government, but one that's scared of it's citizens. I just like this song because it's funny as Hell. I like Tom Gabel's music. Just not his ideals. Great artist, fun to play, I've written some pretty cool lead guitar to all his songs :)
WeAreAsAshesFall 2 years ago
Between Bob Dylan, Dave King, and Tom Gabel. These are the three artists who have inspired me to pick up a guitar in recent time. They showed me that you don't need anything more than simple chords and a properly tuned guitar to make a great song!
pinheadskulls 2 years ago
Is the "left wing politics" about liberalism? Why would he say that? Can someone clear this up for me?
tommythefuckkotula 2 years ago
Because Eric and Anna "shared" the same political ideals. She agreed with him so that Eric would lower his guard and she could trick him. He's talking about anarchism in terms of "left wing politics." :)
IAmCavalierEternal 2 years ago
It is confusing as well, because I know that Tom Gabel isn't completely ignorant in politics, but most of your domestic, anarchist terrorists are all left wingers, although liberalism is about the government having as much control as possible. Conservatism is about government FOR the people, BY the people, and under discrimination OF the people.
WeAreAsAshesFall 2 years ago
So Tom Gabel is for liberalism? Doesn't make sense...
tommythefuckkotula 2 years ago
It doesn't make sense, but men lik Bill Ayers are all hardcore left-wing liberals. Meaning that they stand by the idea that the Government should control just about everything. Not much sense at all.
WeAreAsAshesFall 2 years ago
No on the left wing you believe the business should be government controlled. Like you choose your career etc it is just your job will be owned by the government instead of a corporation. Your personal life is still your own, it is on the right wing of the political spectrum that it goes "HOLY FUCK HE HAD SEX WITH A MAN CALL A SWAT TEAM". Basically the right grants economic freedom but controls your life and the left would grant you personal freedom but no economic freedom.
CrackCityRocker1211 2 years ago
This is incorrect. Completely. Other than the ecomnomic. And no, the left wing doesn't believe in entreprenuership, competitive edge, or inginuity. If they could have their choice, they would love to decide our careers, and to pay a doctor the same as a cashier at WalMart. And sure, there are radicals on the right who say uneducated things like "HOLY FUCK HE HAD SEX WITH A MAN CALL A SWAT TEAM". But there area also radicals IN POWER on the left. Like Bill Ayers, who stated, "We are not sorry for
WeAreAsAshesFall 2 years ago
There are no radicals in any position of power in the left in the United States. The left wing in the United States is simply left of the GOP and is usually in the center.Bill Ayers is radical, Bill Ayers does not have a following of a movement such as the Oath Keepers who recently were found with a member who owned a grenade launcher.
CrackCityRocker1211 2 years ago
No radicals in the left? Try looking at almost every cabinet member. But with that statement, I realize that you're just not up to par as far as debating goes.
WeAreAsAshesFall 2 years ago
Every cabinet member? Really you probably believe Obama is a socialist to. You aren't up to par for debating not me. Van Jones was the only cabinet member you could even consider calling a radical. I did not say there were no radicals in the left, I said no radicals in positions of power in the left. You don't find me not to par to debate you realize you aren't up to par to debate on an intellectual level because your rhetoric holds not factual base.
CrackCityRocker1211 2 years ago
the bombings, but rather think we did not do enough." Now, you based your statement not necissarily on a radical right wing extremist, but rather a christian extremist. In this world, there are people of extremist religion ALL over the world, and guess what? They are also in the left wing. Do you not think that there are not Christian extremists who think that homosexuals should be executed in the left? You are entirely wrong about most of your statements above. The definition of Convservatism
WeAreAsAshesFall 2 years ago
is the government using as little power as possible while still upholding peace and order. Hints the name, "Conservatism". For conservative use of power. Liberalism is defined by using very liberal use of power of the government, far exceeding what the constitution states. You should study politics, or perhaps political science, so you can make stronger arguments, without voiding them with false information, sir.
WeAreAsAshesFall 2 years ago
Perhaps you should then sir, Conservatism is not conservation of power it refers to keeping the status quo. It comes from the French Revolution where people who wished to keep the King sat on the right. Although nice try at swinging things for a conservative bias.
CrackCityRocker1211 2 years ago
No it isn't conservatism for the conservation of the status quo. For example, during the American Revolution conservatives would have supported the King of England. Do you understand what a conservative is, you are using rhetoric that was spoon fed to you most likely by Fox News.
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jonmfsmith 1 year ago
Yeah its due today! wow wonder happens ..
pukeythief 2 years ago
Isnt his government response due today?
wonder whats going to happen.
willskate4foods 2 years ago
The government is supposed to respond to Eric's appeal in a few weeks. Good luck sir!
clicheguavera85 2 years ago
i think before people start posting comments saying one thing or another, they should probably know what happened first. cause otherwise youre just talking out of your ass
doitagain1311 2 years ago
@Fishfliphatsock. Tom Gabel does not hate jews. You need to give me proof that this is true.
XxAT0M1CL3M0N5xX 2 years ago
This is a very low budget video there, Tom.
But still, it's amazing ! <3
XxAT0M1CL3M0N5xX 2 years ago
he wouldn't have done it moron....he was an ANIMAL activist....he would have freed monkeys and shit if it weren't for her putting the idea in his head....She told him how to do it, where to do it, and paid for it...
NotTooIntoMe 2 years ago
animal activists can still be terrorist, look at 28 days later lol but for real their just as bad as the right wing anti abortionists
jonmfsmith 1 year ago
I like turtles.
CoolstorytroII 2 years ago 33
@CoolstorytroII FUCKING DICKRIDER!
AddictionToFiction 1 year ago
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I think the government is right. Anna did the right thing by turning this man in.
CoolstorytroII 2 years ago