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  • welldone sir m waseem iqbal your new student

  • Cool thanks man. I just hate to hear about making things easy and losing the craft part of plumbing

  • Im a young guy but I don't believe in new technology. That's a lazy mans joint I would guess I'm old school in a way. To me it's like an art. That's for guys who can never get a good joint lol.

  • @PUNIqpSHER I'm with you. I only created the video to show there is another way.

  • thanks, i enjoy the informative vids. the only bad thing about these fittings i'm guessing is the cost, but they are cool. oh yeah, and geezzz, what a bunch of screwballs always making negative comments, most probably don't know jack squat! anyway, keep up the good work!!!

  • I am currently repairing one of these jewels that began leaking two years after a plumber installed it. A 3/4 inch copper elbow, pre-soldered, is leaking at the joint. I am just going to cut it off, and sweat a fitting on the old fashioned way. I have never had a problem with sweated joints.

  • Don't use the "Just for Copper" stuff that looks like glue. I would never use some type of bond stuff for a copper line. If it opens up under pressure and nobody is home the cost could be enormous. I doubt the plumbing inspector would even pass it where I live. Just learn to solder, it's not hard.

  • The Yorkshire Integral Solder Ring (ISR) capillary fitting was developed by Yorkshire Fittings in 1934 and represented a major breakthrough for the industry (in 1934) I realise this film is 3 years old but Yorkshire fittings are 76 years old.

  • Tehy arte called yorkshire fittings in the uk and have been in use for years, there is around 1 and half times more solder in the fitting than you actually need. On a side note, some people when installing pipe like to flux as they go and then go back a little while later and solder (not the best idea really) the solder will actually cause these fitting to "sweat" and fuse making any errors hard to correct with out having to replace the pipe before soldering.

  • ive got news for you pal we have used them in england for the past 40 or so years they are good but its always wise to run a small amount of extra solder on them for piece of mind if you solder the pipe in a real situation you cant always tell if the solder has run all the way around you dont want leaks everwhere when the pipes get boxed in or are under your floor hope this helps

  • I just found these at my local Canadian Tire store. They were new, yet they were blowing them out the door at 50% off. HHHmmmm, I says, what's up with that.

    I'm guessing..(underline 'guessing').. that since these fittings don't come with instructions, people don't know that they still need to be sanded and fluxed.

    And they fail!......That's just my take on it, I could be wrong.

  • @bunsomatic They are probably discounted because they are traditionally much more expensive that fittings without the solder. A business only makes money by MOVING product through the store. Each square inch of shelf space MUST produce $XX.xx each week/month or the product devoted to that space must be discontinued. You're seeing that happen is my guess. Those fittings will not be reordered. Not because they don't work, because they are laggards.

  • Those fittings with solder became obsolete here about twenty years ago.

    They are not good for the do it yourselfer because if you heat them to much the lead boils and ruins the joint also they are very succeptible to dirt and water causing inclusions and leaks. a much better idea is to use compression fittings run the pressure up and just tighting and leaks away, job done, also they can be disassembled and reassembled.

  • @FarCriedOff Where is here????? The fittings work very well if you just clean the fitting and pipe as you would anytime you're going to solder. I've NEVER had a leak with these. Compression fittings are very dangerous to use in enclosed spaces where you don't have access to the fitting.

  • @AsktheBuilder Why are compression joints dangerous in enclosed spaces? Thanks

  • @maccagrabme Because they are the weakest of all connections. Welding, brazing, flare and solder connections are all stronger.

  • @AsktheBuilder

    Dangerous ? Compression fitting have a Burst Pressure of 250 PSI @25C for liquids.

    This pressure is 8 times that found in domestic sealed systems.

    Most combi boilers use compression fitting both internally (and externally at the outlet/inlet ports!) Guess you had better let the manufacturers know their boilers are 'dangerous'!!!

  • @jumpdance24 You know, I often wonder if folks like you read all the comments. You took what I said out of context. Perhaps you should get a job as a political pundit. Had you read all of what I wrote, you'd see that I said compression fittings are known to be the weakest connection when compared to welding, brazing or soldering. It's not recommended to have compression fittings in enclosed spaces where you don't have access. Typically boilers are out in the open. jeeeesh

  • @AsktheBuilder

    You said 'very dangerous' in a reply to a question. That is NOT the same as 'not recommended'. They are not "dangerous" in any shape or form. Having to pull a floorboard is just as inaccessible as having to dismantle an entire boiler to get to a leaking compression fitting within it ..Agreed ? But they are still used in boilers.

  • @jumpdance24 You need to take this discussion to the forums where homeowners have had their houses completely ruined by failed compression fittings both in copper piping and the poly pipes. If you're such a fan of compression fittings, why are there no videos at your channel about them ? Why don't you go on record with some video showing what you know, how strong they are compared to soldered and flared fittings, etc.? You know the old saying don't you, "Actions speak louder than words."

  • Hi this is a very nice system,i never see this in germany or europe !!!

  • omgosh! We had a troublesome joint and after many times of trying to remedy this problem, we finally used this new fitting and it solved the problem! These fittings are great for a novice do-it-yourself homeowner!

  • That's so cool!

  • I understand this is an instructional video. Please don't take that I am critiquing the use of these fittings. Fact is that, as many "old-school plumbers" before me, using new methods like this is hard to adapt to. I am sure it works & fills a 1/4" of the cup fully. Yes I have had to fudge that bit just to make a repair in a bad location. It works? I say great! I just feel more confident in using the conventional fittings. Great video all the same.

  • @Mindstay Agreed.

  • OK, yes I am a Master Plumber that trills on the fact of drawing a fine bead on copper "tubing" the old fashioned way. I have not used these "pre-soldered" fittings on the bases of interference of the joints being made. The pre bead is in a cup allowing potential gap formed with-in the joint. This concerns me as you cannot make a full joint in this manner. Yes, it is great for the do-it-yourselfers. I just enjoy letting my years of exp. show in my work. Thank you.

  • @Mindstay I'm a Master Plumber as well. This was a simple video to show another method of soldering. Nothing more. I can tell you that of the hundreds of joints made with this type of fitting, not one has developed a leak after ten years. Bottom Line: There's more than one way that works to get a great result. Do I use these all the time? Absolutely not. Have I used them with success? You bet.

  • These are great instructional videos, thank you for sharing and posting!  I signed up for your newsletter based on the contents for this video.

  • What does that "gray flux" do?

  • @blazer

    Why are you talking about soldering a fitting that is holding water when this is obviously just a basic introduction into soldering?

    Not being weird, I'm just wondering.

    You do not need solder because it is just mated into the fitting. You just contradicted yourself...Like saying do you need rubber tyres when going to buy a car? No...they come with the necessary materials.

  • Why don't you try a real world scenario and crawl under a house and sweat up a fitting that is holding some water or better yet a fiiting that is in a corner butted up against some Kraft faced insulation. You say in the beginning of the video you don't need solder but you are still using solder it is just mated into the fitting. How about Pro-press Mr. AsktheBuilder? It is the latest and greatest, no flame, no mess

  • Mr. Blazerman,

    My short videos are not intended to be a DVD series that is the end all and be all of plumbing. This is just a short one showing this one brand of fitting that had the solder built in. I suggest you take time and belly up to the bar. How? Why don't you grab your camera, shoot what you know and share it with the world on your channel. I went to your channel and there's not one video there. Instead of making comments, use your energy to make videos showing what you know. Thanks!

  • @blazerxtreme360 Sure, all the average homeowner needs is a $2,000 ProPress tool... Not exactly economical for DIY projects.

  • By the way I am a plumber and you tell everyone you like using acetylene for sweating but do you really think someone who is not trained to work with a compressed gas should be messing around with something as flammable as Acetylene. How tough is it to actually sweat a pipe when sitting at a bench? .

  • Blazerman,

    Thanks for your comment. I see you added a photo at your channel. Consider going back and go to the next level. Add more info about yourself, where you are and then a few videos sharing what you know. I happened to use acetylene because I'm a master plumber as well and that's the torch I have. People can use propane if they choose.

  • If you have any doubts about anything, Call a Professional!

  • Why do you say that? I went to your channel and you're invisible. No picture, no profile, no description, nothing. Are you just saying this because you're a plumber trying to get business? You should be transparent.

  • Wonderful.

  • This gentleman is a fantastic teacher! It is a pleasure to learn from these videos....Barry in Pa.

  • You end up soldering them anyway just to make sure. Why not use end feed as they are cheeper and you can get just as good a joint than if you were using yorkshires.

  • Hi, Tim

    I had a plumber do work on my house and used pex for water lines. After the work was completed he pumped up the air pressure to 70 psi to check for air leaks. It was holding pressure but then after a week I visited my house and seen that it came down to 60 psi, then in another week it came down to about 50 psi. I called the plumber and he said that all it is, is a change in temperature that makes it do that and that its not a leak.

  • That's absolutely possible. Changes in temperature can cause a difference in PSI readings. Why not test the system with water and see if they really leak? If the house is not heated, then drain the lines after the test.

  • They stopped selling these at Home Depot, I tried them out on my upstairs bathroom when they still sold them and they seem to be okay, but I'm going the old way downstairs.

  • they have copper fitting were u dont even need a torch it has like rubber ringd on the joints

  • yes they are called push fit copper fittings, they are just like push fit wastes

  • indeed beanz, but then you need a machine to tighten it. And that machine is pretty expensive if you wanna do a small job at home (fittings are more expensive also) But yes it is verryy easy, espacially cus you dont have wait for cooling down

  • those fitting take the fun out of soldering

  • yeah, being a qualified plumber, its always safe to touch it up on the outside just to be safe!

  • here in the UK we call these yorkshire joints , and they have been around for as long as i have been plumbing ... 15 years .. maybe even longer ? not sure if they were actually invented in yorkshire ? they work well but i find i always touch them up with a bit of solder wire to be double safe .

  • i prefer end feed fittings myself,cost less aswell

  • Pretty cool stuff there. Anyone know if these can be used for HVAC applications-for air conditioning systems?

  • You generally have to solder with silver solder and have nitrogen moving through the empty pipe as you solder.

  • wow, quick answer! I just saw these fittings for the first time today while in a local hardware store.

    Thanks for the answer.

  • The only restriction is on gas - you must be qualified to work on gas fittings. But only if you are doing the work for reward. A homeowner can do their own gas work or work for a friend providing they don't do it for payment.

    There is a lot of confusion in the UK because because the bodies who run the certification put out a lot of misinformation and scaremomgering to keep the money rolling in for them and their members.

  • in massachussets u dnt need a licence to do heating or gas

  • You most certainly do.

  • With ref to danlukecoward1's post. Yes, we have these fittings in the UK and call them Yorkshires. But they have been around for a long long time.

    They are popular amongst DIYers not professional plumbers.

    With regards to regulations there are no government standards that have to met at all in the UK to become a plumber. Anyone can become a plumber here. And anyone can do their own plumbing without any restriction.

  • I like how all these plumbers are getting their panties in a bunch because the general populace is finding out plumbers are theives with their rates. Face it disgruntled plumbers, your fading out. Years of you and your union stealing the money of the people have made the people find better solutions.

  • man i just did some pipe sweating today, im a DIY'er my self if i knew those existied it would have made the job easer i had to replace a shut-off valve and a new hose bib with a reduction from 3/4 to 1/2

  • i am a plumber and a very good one at that. Yorkshire fitting and he got a drip down the pipe. and wtf is sauder??

  • hi there, Im a plumber/ general builder in England.. id just like to say that over here those fittings are very popular - we call them yorkshire's, maybe you guys do too, i don't know lol. But from watching your collection of videos, I have come realised that England had much stricter regulations. Here you must be qualified to regulation government standard to even think about going near a pipe or cable - even in your on home - DIY is a thing of the past. - But great videos. - Thanks

  • Thanks! We have strong codes here, but in many places a person can do the work themselves IF they pull a permit and get the necessary inspections. My feeling is that's the way it should be. If a person can do the work and meet the code, then what's the issue? It's no different than driving. But that being said, I've seen some horrendous drivers and horrible work done by pros who *passed* the inspections.

  • hahah new fitting soldering fitting have been out for long time

  • the fittings are only as good as the person putting them together. and anyone that need a fitting with solder already in it needs to stay away from plumbing

  • Jaykob85, you seem to know a little about plumbing. I went to your channel and there are no videos of yourself sharing your knowledge. Instead of spending all this time making comments on other people's videos, how about investing that time making your videos so we can comment about your techniques?

  • I agree... but hey who needs solder? ProPress!!! Haha just kidding.

  • It is cheaper to use other type than using those, My brother is Union Plumber in Chicago,he says those fittings are for hacks and best to solder the pipe and not use those fittings

  • Why in the world would you say that when you don't know the weight of the copper in the fitting? For all you know, these fittings are heavier copper than the straight pipe. Your strong words are not welcome in this friendly ecosystem.

  • Hey Tim, at 1:25 it looks like you wanted to touch the pipe and then you realized oh yeah, it's hot!" ;)

  • Look again. I am sure I didn't touch it. I think I am just waving my hand near it, but I did get close.

  • Yeah, it just seemed like a very sudden reaction. :)

  • yeah that product might be good for someone that does not know what they are doing.. but should they be doing it then

  • those EZ fitting are garbage i used them once and they failed .even thouygh i clean them really good if u heat them too much which i did with my turbo torch the solder just leaked out plus i think doin it the old fashion way is much better

  • That is too bad. I have never had a leak. Perhaps it was operator error.

  • What is sawder?

  • solder is the correct spelling. It's the silver stuff you see.

  • Many people spell it "Sawder" because in the US, we don't pronounce the L in Solder and they may be from a country where they do, so they are not used to this pronunciation.

  • "oh that is very, very cool" (1min26s)

    NO! it is very, very hot, don't touch the soldered pipe because it is not cool!!!!!

    (great vids by the way)

  • Whats the advantage of this? I mean if you are going to sand it down, apply flux heat it up?

    Then why not hold the solder against pipes as well?

    I've only soldered one copper joint and that was in a work shop so I don't have much experience, am I missing something?

  • You missed the point that the solder is already inside the joint. Many rookies never heat the joint enough so the solder flows into the joint. When the solder melts in these fittings, you have a good joint.

  • They are so good that homedepot has stopped selling them...LOL

  • fitings with solder in them are realy expensive :o

  • Him Tim,

    How reliable are these EZ fitting compare to traditional ones. Are they as good as them? I've always been hesitant to use them.

    FM

  • They appear to do well. I would only question the fittings if they were thinner than the standard.

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