MARCELLINUS 296-304 Though still regarded as both Saint and Martyr in official Catholic literature, Catholic historian Duchesne proves that he died in bed (thus he was not a martyr). And the official Papal Chronicle admits that he abjured (renounced) the Christian faith. From: A Rationalist Encyclopaedia by historian and former Franciscan monk Joseph McCabe
VICTOR 189-198 Friends with the lewdest concubine in Emperor Commodus' palace, which he frequently visited. From: How Christianity Grew Out of Paganism by Joseph McCabe
CALLISTUS 217-222 Had embezzled bank money and was jailed prior to his stint as Bishop of Rome (Pope). From: How Christianity Grew Out of Paganism, by Joseph McCabe
The Bible does not support the belief of papal infallibility. It declares that "all of sinned and come short of the glory of God" (Roman 3:23) This includes the Pope
In 1302 Pope Boniface said this in a letter to the Catholic Church
Furthermore we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff. Pope Boniface VIII Unam Sanctam (Rome: 1302).
THIS IS INSANE TEACHING & NOT OF GOD Jesus alone is the way to God
@glizag It's because you self-and-mis interpret verses without the Sacred Tradition and the Magisterium. Papal infallibility is biblical if you understand the true Gospel.
@For3nity Do you believe anything in scripture I asked U basis simple plain direct questions that U REFUSE TO ANSWER
I asked you for the RCC interpretation to Acts 16:30-31 & Rom 10:9-13 & Rom 5:1 U ARE ASHAMED TO GIVE IT TO ME I THINK
Sacred tradition forbid eating meat on friday up to 1965 that is called a doctrine of demons that a false religious system will impose ~ RCC is the only system that I know of that tried to enforce this teaching SO Your tradition is in conflict with bible
@For3nity The true Gospel is in Scripture as preached by the apostles & disciples its called the Gospel Message that when heard believed & appropriated saves that lost sinner Rom 5:1 fact is U DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT THAT MESSAGE IS
I asked U countless times to outline the Gospel Message for me as U understand it U SIMPLY IGNORED THAT CONSTANT QUESTION
I am sticking to the bible but U REALLY DONT BELIEVE THE BIBLE & U say I am misinterpreting it ~ but U wont give me the RCC INTERPRETATION
@For3nity 42. A Pope is supposed to be Infallible that entails that he cannot err when he makes a statement regarding faith & morals
Clement 14th (1769-1774) by an infallible decree ABOLISHED forever the society of the Jesuits,
But Pius 7th (1800-1820) RESTORED the society of the Jesuits,
One infallible Pope restoring once again what another infallible Pope abolished forever, the question must be asked which infallible Pope was infallible here since they cannot both be right?
@For3nity I have lots of examples of one infallible Pope contradicting another infallible Pope ~ & its on faith & or morals also ~# if it was just their personal opinions then the rantings of these lunatics is not worth the paper that they are written on ~ & should be discarded as the ravings of deranged maniacs
If U hold to papal infallibility ~ then U should really research that claim & you will find that Popes have been very far from infallible
@For3nity Why dont U answer the questions that I have been asking U for weeks now without any response whatsoever If I am misinterpreting scripture as U suggest then correct me with the RCC interpretation I know U wont do that because U simply do not know the RCC interpretation
And since RCC has only infallibly defined approx 7 verses in the N/T you are as much in the dark as they are~ if U try to interpret something outside of those 7 verses & U KNOW IT.
Pope Benedict IX, known prior to his post as Theophylactus and afterward as the Boy Pope was only about 18 years old when his father essentially bought him the papal seat in 1032
He sold the papacy to his uncle in 1044 as he was fleeing from hostile factions
Benedict got a case of seller’s remorse and forcibly reclaimed the papacy in 1045
He held it for only a month before he lost it again reseizing the office again in 1047 before being run out of Rome for good he died at a monastery in 1056
@glizag Why don't you just answer OUR questions. No one will appreciate someone who love to talk about other people lives especially if he doesn't really understand or is not directly involved or related with them. Get real...stick to the bible. Or you are no more a sola scriptura? Good then...congratulation that you now realize sola scriptura is just unbiblical, and that you are to have Sacred Scriptures, Sacred Tradition and Magisterium, or you will never understand the true Gospel.
@For3nity So you dont believe Matthew 16:18 ~that would also be Sola scriptura ~ U would have to demonstrate that Peter was a Pope even if U had not got Matt 16:18 to verify your position ~ your whole System stands or falls on a few verses ~ that RCC has interpreted them to suit themselves
If U had not got Matt 16:18 (Scripture) how could U come to a faulty conclusion that Christ built his church upon Peter maybe U would answer that
Without scripture U would know nothing about ANYTHING
@glizag. The Apostles preached the gospel message. If they had no WRITTEN gospel message, then what's this CALLED?? There's a TERM for this.
Fallschirmjaeger29 asked you above question. I am curious to know your answer. So pls answer; we are waiting.
Another question is: are EX Jesus' believers who turned atheists and mock God still saved? (for you believe and insist that all who said they believe in Jesus will be forever saved and cannot lose their salvation regardless what they did next).
Why at the so called Consecration of the Mass does the priest have to say some incantation over the bread and wine in order to change it into the so called body & blood of the Lord, Jesus or the apostles never did this, why do RC priests have to do it
you are incorrect on that. Also, beliveing in Jesus is not just a "belief" of Jesus, it's also accepting EVERYTHING HE LFT BEHIND FOR US and the authority He has given to his ministers in the Church for our edification (2Cor10:8). Also, Read Heb 8
the CHURCH "IS" JESUS, glizag, THE CHURCH IS JESUS ON EARTH. IT'S HIS BODY, AND HIS CHURCH IS INFALLIBLE. IT ALREADY "IS" JESUS. You poor poor simpletons dont know any better
@Fallschirmjaeger29 I SUPPOSE THE POPE IS GOD ON EARTH TOO ~~ GIVE ME A BREAK ~~ what can YOUR SYSTEM tell me that the Bible cannot tell me WAKEY WAKEY
@Fallschirmjaeger29 Two or 3 worshipping together are sanctified in God's eyes ~~ NOT ONLY THAT ~~ I asked U what your system can tell me that the Bible cannot tell me
@Fallschirmjaeger29 POPE IS NOT PETER & BINDING & LOOSENING HAS TO DO WITH CHURCH DISCIPLINE ~~ NOT INVENTING OUTRAGEOUS FANTASY DOGMAS ~~ READ THE WHOLE CHAPTER
@Fallschirmjaeger29 WHAT CAN YOUR CHURCH TELL ME THAT THE BIBLE CANNOT TELL ME
Writers on the Canon Law say, "The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in heaven and earth."- Barclay Cap. XXVII, p. 218. Cities Petrus Bertrandus, Pius V. - Cardinal Cusa supports his statement.
.-Pope Nicholas I declared that "the appellation of God had been confirmed by Constantine on the Pope, who, being God, cannot be judged by man." - Labb IX Dist.: 96 Can. 7, Satis evidentur, Decret Gratian Primer Para.
@Fallschirmjaeger29 "The Pope is of so great dignity, and so exalted that he is not a mere man, but as it were God. and the vicar of God." -Ferraris Ecclesiastical dictionary
"All names which in the Scriptures are applied to Christ, by virtue of which it is established that He is over the church, all the same names are applied to the Pope." - On the Authority of the Councils, book 2, chapter 17
again, the Body of Christ is The Church. The pope is the TENDER OF THIS BODY OF JESUS on earth. No the pope isnt GOD, but He is the TENDER of Christ's BODY on earth, where GOD "IS"
@Fallschirmjaeger29 If according to RCC one needs to eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood in order to receive eternal life > why is it that the congregation only receive the wafer > and not the wine? Is this not denying what RCC believes about John 6, that you must partake of both flesh & blood, whereas the congregation only receive the wafer (flesh).
What use is the Wafer or flesh to an RC, when he is denied the Wine or blood. ?
You will answer to God for your attacks on His Church. Ignorance is not a defense. Your assembly didnt compile the BIble. THE CHURCH compiled the Bible. The NT was written by Bishops of the Church. You disagree? It doesnt matter! Ur not THE CHURCH
@Fallschirmjaeger29 Hence the Pope is crowned with a triple crown, as king of heaven and of earth and of the lower regions (infernorum)." -Lucius Ferraris, «Prompta Bibliotheca», 1763, Volume VI, 'Papa II', p.26)
"Innocent III has written: "Indeed, it is not top much to say that in view of the sublimity of their offices the priests are so many gods." -The dignity of the priesthood by Liguori p, 36
again, when you quote the NT, ur quoting a BISHOP of the ONLY CHURCH that has ever BEEN!!
Presbyterians? --> not THE CHURCH
Baptists? --> Not the Church
Evangelicals? --> NOT THE CHURCH etc etc
These are "assemblies" invented by people based on a "private" exegetical interpretation of the scriptures with NO authority to do so. Yes, even God knows people are ignorant. He has a "place" for these people, but these assemblies are not THE CHURCH & hold no authority from God
That's burnt offerings of the old judaic law he talking about. The NEW PRIESTHOOD (Heb7:12) is another story. This is the new covenant from God to His Church
But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should show forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: 1st Peter 2:9
YE (ALL) if U a believer is not a Royal priest then according to this verse HES STILL IN DARKNESS
THe Royal priesthood belongs to ALL BELIEVERS ~~ its sacrifices are PRAISE WITH THE LIPS TO GOD
In the Roman Catholic Church you have sacrificial priests, to offer up continual UN -bloody sacrifices, why was there no such sacrificial priesthood in the early N/T church?
@Fallschirmjaeger29 All believers ALL belong to the royal priesthood ~ which offers up spiritual sacrifices of praise with the LIPS ~~ not unbloody useless sacrifices ~~ like RCC does ~~ RCC priests are separate from the gullible faithful
The qualifications for priesthood are those given by the Body of Christ, The Church. Your assembly isnt The Church, though. You belong to an invented assembly that has no authority given by God.
If the Mass is the same Sacrifice as that of Calvary ~ and the origin of the Mass is supposed to be the Last Supper, how can it be the same Sacrifice as that of Calvary ~ since the Last Supper took place before Calvary?
At the Last Supper as Jesus partook of the bread and fruit of the vine himself, did he in fact eat his own body, and drink his own blood, since it supposedly changed into these things.
"Out of the ruins of political Rome, arose the great moral Empire in the 'giant form' of the Roman Church."--A.C. Flick, The Rise of the Mediaeval Church, 1909, p. 150.
Pope Pius IX, in his "Discorsi" (I., p. 253), said: "The Caesar who now addresses you, and to whom alone are obedience and fidelity due."
The appellation of God had been confirmed by Constantine on the Pope, who being God, cannot be judged by man." Pope Nicholas I, quoted in History of the Councils, vol. IX, Dist.: 96, Can 7, "Satis Evidentur Decret Gratian Primer Para", by Labbe and Cossart.
Superior papal authority and dominion is derived from the law of the Caesars." Lucius Ferraris, in "Prompta Bibliotheca Canonica, Juridica, Moralis, Theologica, Ascetica, Polemica, Rubristica, Historica", Volume V, article on "Papa, Article II", titled "Concerning the extent of Papal dignity, authority, or dominion and infallibility", #19, published in Petit-Montrouge (Paris) by J. P. Migne, 1858 edition.
All men have the right of religious liberty CCC:2106, 10/11/1992 Catechism of the Catholic Church, of John Paul II, 1992, Liguori Publications Verses St Pius IX All have the right of religious liberty is heresy D.1690,99 Enchiridion Symbolorum, "The Sources of Catholic Dogma," edited by Fr. Henry Densinger, B. Herder Book Co., Imprimatur, 1955 THIS RUBBISH IS HARD TO EVEN LOOK AT ~ NEVER MIND TO ACCEPT IT AS TRUTH Uterr contradfiction again between 2 infallible Popes FUNNY STUFF
All men have a human dignity of equal rights ~ JP2 PP:478, 09/01/1980 Path to Peace: A Contribution. Liturgical Publications Inc., Brookfield, WI, 1987 VERSUS Pius VI Equal rights for all men is senseless QA Quod Aliquantulum, of Pope Pius VI UTTER CONTRADICTION & VERY FALLIBLE I CLASS THIS EXAMPLE AS PURE RUBBISH
"The Church...does not, and cannot accept, or in any degree favor, liberty in the Protestant sense of liberty." (Catholic World, April 1870)
"Protestantism has not, and never can have, any right where Catholicity has triumphed." (Catholic Review, June 1875)
"Religious liberty is merely endured until the opposite can be carried into effect without peril to the Catholic Church." (Rt. Rev. O'Connor, Bishop of Pittsburgh.)
I REJECT ANY RCC DECREE OVER MY RELIGIOUS FREEDOM ESPECIALLY ITS POPES
That's because THERE IS NO OTHER "CHURCH"!! You still remain invincibly ignorant. You dont know any better. This CHURCH already "IS" Jesus' Body on earth. He speaks THRU His Church. "THE" CHURCH is divinely protected from error dogmatically and tenets of the Christian faith. If something's not written verbatim in the BIble to placate you, THE CHURCH --> guided by the HOLY SPIRIT, gives all guidance & edification. Why & How? It already IS Christ in His Church. His TRUE presence is there
@Fallschirmjaeger29 Jesus speaks through the scriptures & the Holy Spirit brings Christ's words to ones mind through the scriptures
if the RCC is divinely protected Why was it a forbidden to eat meat on fridays under pain of mortal sin BUT after 1965 it was no longer mandated to abstain from meat on friday so if one died ater eating meat on friday before 1965 that person went to hell but after 1965 that was not so
1st Tim 4:1-4 calls forbidding to eat meat DOCTRINES OF DEMONS
The NT couldnt have been written WITHOUT SACRED TRADTION, EINSTEIN.
Mark, Luke, & Acts are examples of Sacred Tradition. You galactically stupid people dont know any better. You're NOT EVEN THE CHURCH. You hold no authority from Jesus, and you dont even FOLLOW the Bible.
@Fallschirmjaeger29 When the Gospel Message was preached it was spoken openly to the crowds
When Paul & Peter sent letters to various assemblies EG Ephesians Philippians & Galatians ~ it was read out to those believers present ~ consequently when all the books & letters were collected together They were classed as scripture ~ so after that happened Gods REVELATION on Salvation was complete ~ today we do not need ORAL TRADITION BECAUSE POPES ARE NOT APOSTLES We have THE BIBLE
Again, glizag, when you quote the NT, you're quoting a BISHOP of THE CHURCH. There has always been only ONE CHURCH. ONLY ONE.
The writers of the NT were already "OF" this ONE CHURCH that still exists today. You dont see that because you simply dont know any better. You're in an assembly that is based on "private" exegesis of the Bible with a following. Nothing more. You're well-intentioned, but you're galactically ignorant, & a dime a dozen
@Fallschirmjaeger29 What did Jesus mean when he said where 2 or 3 are gathered in his name THERE AM I IN THE MIDST OF THEM ~~ do U believe Jesus words here? Yes / NO ~
@Fallschirmjaeger29 DO U KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE GOSPEL MESSAGE & THE GOSPELS & GOSPEL WRITERS ~~ CAN U ANSWER THIS QUESTION ~~ WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE GOSPEL MESSAGE NOT THE GOSPEL WRITERS COMPRENDE
Of course I know the difference. But, you're telling me this, WHY, again? --> your assembly isnt even THE CHURCH of the BIble! When you quote the NT, AGAIN, for the hundreth time, you're
...not "OF" the CHurch of the BIble. You hold NO authority, ZERO, and your assembly didnt compile the Bible. You cant answer the question. WHICH gospel did the apostles & paul PREACH? A simple question.. Are you gonna hurl green pea soup at me like Regan on the Exorcist?
That correct, when 2 or 3 are gathered in prayer Christ is there. That's not the same as exegesis of all of the scriptures. You still need an authority to give proper exegesis of them. This authority comes from Christ given to His Church to infallibly GUIDE on ALL SCRIPTURES 2Pt1:20, 3:16)
I understand just FINE, but again, what part of when you quote the NT that you are quoting a BISHOP do you NOT UNDERSTAND? The entire NT was written BY BISHOPS OF THE CHURCH! MARK & LUKE INCLUDED. They were Bishops. Mark write his gospel based on the sermons of Peter in Rome. Mark then went to Alexandria as BISHOP there and was martyred by being dragged behind horses thru the streets. Find that in the Bible. Find all of the martyrdoms of the apostles in the BIble & most of Jesus' life
@Fallschirmjaeger29 I understand that all the apostles were martyrs except John ~~ but if Bishops in the N/T church were bound by RCC dogma THEY WOULD NOT QUALIFY TO BE BISHOPS GET THE POINT
That's BALONEY!! ---> Jesus GAVE AUTHORITY TO HIS CHURCH "WHATEVER YOU BIND ON EARTH IS BOUND IN HEAVEN" -Jesus to His apostles
BISHOPS & priests were married up until the 12th century. This was CHANGED by the Church, the BODY OF JESUS, based on Matt19:12 and 1Cor7:32. The Church CAN DO THIS because of the binding & loosing authority given to it FROM GOD HIMSELF, plus, the Church already IS JESUS ON EARTH-- > it's His Body anyways!! You still dont get it
@Fallschirmjaeger29 22. If John 6 is literal language why did Jesus say, that to the people he always spoke in Parables and not literal speech, Matthew 13:34, Mark 4:34, and if Jesus words were literal why did he have to explain what he actually ment to his disciples afterwards, Matthew 13:10- 17.
@Fallschirmjaeger29 At the Last Supper as Jesus partook of the bread and fruit of the vine himself, did he in fact eat his own body, and drink his own blood, since it supposedly changed into these things
@Fallschirmjaeger29 If the Mass is the SAME Sacrifice as that of Calvary and it is UNBLOODY unlike Calvary, then what does the wine turn into at the Consecrecration ~ if there is supposed to be no blood on the Altar? ~ is this not a blatant contradiction within RCC teaching.# How is the mass unbloody?
@Fallschirmjaeger29 WAS THE LAST SUPPER IN THE UPPER ROOM A SACRIFICE ~~ IF SO WHY CALVARY & A BLOODLESS SACRIFICE IS USELESS & ALSO IF THE WINE TURNED INTO BLOOD THEN THERE WAS BLOOD IN THE UPPER ROOM ~~ ARE U THINKING ALL THIS OUT PROPERLY
@Fallschirmjaeger29 43. If according to John 6:54 >> if after you have eaten his flesh and drank his blood Do you have eternal life as a present day possession quote : Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
If you don’t have eternal life after PARTAKING of the Eucharist then what Use is the Eucharist to anyone? do you or don’t you >> as an RC have eternal life, as a present day possession If not why not?
That's correct. Those are Jesus' words. He is telling us that this would be the means for having eternal life, by partaking of HIM for our bodies to protect us from the evils of the world, for our spiritual strength and nourishment against satan
@Fallschirmjaeger29 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on Hebrews 1:3
READ THOSE 4 VERSES IN JOHN 6 ~~ IT WILL EXPLAIN WHAT HE WAS REALLY TALKING ABOUT
@Fallschirmjaeger29 WATCH THESE VERSES ~~ How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? Heb 9:14
And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission Heb 9:22
UNBLOODY SACRIFICES ARE USELESS ACCORDING TO THESE VERSES ~~ DO U AGREE
@Fallschirmjaeger29 Since Jesus as the God/Man could only be physically in one place at a time in the flesh, and as explained by Acts 1:10-11 he ascended into heaven ~ Physically Bodily ~ Visibly, but will return once again to earth in the same manner as the witnesses seen him go into heaven, and all await his physical return Revelations 1:7 how then? Is He physically present in the Eucharist ~ Body Soul Spirit & Divinity if he is physically in heaven at this present time?
God is omnicient & omnipresent. It is a divine mystery of the miracle of the eucharist, but all mircles are divine mysteries. What we DO KNOW, is that He most certainly is present. Jesus even predicted in Jn6 that people would not believe in the miracle. He hadnt GIVEN it yet; it came later at the Last supper. But, He predicted people would deny this miracle that He would give at the last supper
@Fallschirmjaeger29 34. Since Jesus as the God/Man could only be physically in one place at a time in the flesh, and as explained by Acts 1:10-11 he ascended into heaven Physically Bodily Visibly, but will return once again to earth in the same manner as the witnesses seen him go into heaven, and all await his physical return ~ Revelations 1:7 how then? Is He physically present in the Eucharist Body Soul Spirit & Divinity if he is physically in heaven at this present time?
YOu dont follw the Bible, glizag! You "cherry pick" verses from the BIble while ignoring the rest, AND, you have faulty exegesis which means although you're well-intentioned, you have faulty intepretation of the scriptures. (2Pt1:20, 3:16, 1Tim3:15) Jesus foresaw all of this ! This is WHY He est'd His "AUTHORITY", "THE" Church. You peple "think" your assembly is THE CHURCH. This too is incorrect. You belong to an "assembly" that was invented by someone in the last coupla hundred yrs
That correct. They preached the gospel message. If they had no WRITTEN gospel message, einstein, then what's this CALLED?? Come on einstein, you can do better than what you're giving me.. What's this called? There's a TERM for this
@Fallschirmjaeger29 All believers have the Holy Spirit & the scriptures to guide them RCC SYSTEM of manmade dogmas Cannot Save one lost sinner if U think it can Save how does RCC SAVE A SINNER
Christ is present with each blood bought believer by His Holy Spirit how can man made dogmas get a sinner right with a Holy God?
its insane to say that this System is on the same level as the Inspired Scriptures that clearly teaches how one gets saved in contradiction to RCC DOGMA's
That baloney. You belong to an ASSEMBLY. Your "assembly" holds no authority from Jesus Christ. ONLY HIS CHURCH holds authority. THE CHURCH is Christ's BODY on earth and He speaks to the world thryu His holy Church where the successor to Peter holds this chair of authority.
The apostles were Christ's friends. Jesus made them all BISHOPS to carry out what He left behind for us. They were His authority. Peter was a close friend of Jesus. The successor to Peter carries out this same role
@Fallschirmjaeger29 Remember in the N/T they had a CHURCH IN THEIR HOMES are U forgetting that & it was still called a church ~ not only that Jesus said where 2 or 3 are gathered in his name THERE AM I IN THE MIDST OF THEM ~ so Christ himself is present in an assembly ~ so what are U talking about
The RCC SYSTEM HAS NO POWER over me because I dont believe in the manmade junk that they teach
I bet U even called that deranged lunatic the Pope HOLY FATHER ~ WHICH IS A TOTAL LIE
That's because back then, when they celbrated the "DOCTRINE OF BREAKING BREAD" (Acts2:42), they had nowhere BUT in their homes to celebrate. (Also 1Cor10:16-17, 11:23-29). This celebration continues today in the holy sacrifice of the mass (1Pt2:5)
You people think that this celebration is "re-crucifying" Jesus all over again. It ENTERING INTO THAT ONE SACRIFICE THAT HE MADE IN A DEEPER WAY.
"EACH TIME WE EAT OF HIS FLESH AND DRINK OF HIS BLOOD WE 'PROCLAIM' HIS DEATH UNTIL HE COMES"
@Fallschirmjaeger29 AND THE CHURCH WAS IN THEIR HOMES ARE YOU TELLING ME THAT THERE WAS A PRIEST IN EVERY HOME TO OFFER UP UNBLOODY SACRIFICES GET REAL
Breaking of bread was to do with common fellowship not UNBLOODY USELESS MASSES
They meditated also on what Christ did on Calvary ~~ the Home was in effect a church in N/T times
The Catholic Church is Christ's BODY on earth. Period, You belong to an assembly that was invented" sometime in the last few hundred yrs. This is NOT "THE CHURCH" that Jesus began. These are invented assemblies that were merely invented by people outside THE CHURCH
@Fallschirmjaeger29 What did Jesus mean when he said where 2 or 3 are gathered in his name THERE AM I IN THE MIDST OF THEM ~~ do U believe Jesus words here? Yes / NO ~ if you dont then why dont U ~~ so there is no need for System gathering its sheep together for their unbloody MESS ~ when a church in N/T was in peoples houses ~ dont U get the point
Is Jesus present when people of my faith gather with other believers ~ that would be a yes or a NO ~ lets clarify these things
I DENY THAT THE POPE IS GOD ON EARTH ~~ I DENY THAT THE POPE IS THE WAY TRUTH & LIFE ~~ I DENT THAT THE POPE SHOULD HAVE THE TITLE HOLY FATHER THIS IS PURE BLASPHEMY & HERESY
The church may by divine right confiscate the property of heretics, imprison their person, and condemn them to flames. In our age, the right to inflict the severest penalties, even death, belongs to the church. There is no graver offense than heresy, therefore it must be rooted out." - Public Eccliastical, Vol. 2, p.142.
God said to Abraham "you will be a FATHER among many nations"
Jesus referred to Abraham as "father Abraham"
Paul referred to Titus and Timothy as his SONS. Then what was Paul to them? A FATHER. Also, Paul writes, "although you have many teachers, you do not have many fathers, for 'I' became you FATHER thru the gospel" (this term as a "father" is one to guide as a parent would guide a child to be closer to GOD)
One who is able to guide. Heb13:17; 1Tim5:17; 1Pt5:1-5 "OBEDIENCE"
@Fallschirmjaeger29 Father or begotten them in that Faith ~~ tell me who in scripture was ever called HOLY FATHER ~~ Gods own title?
"All names which in the Scriptures are applied to Christ, by virtue of which it is established that He is over the church, all the same names are applied to the Pope." - On the Authority of the Councils, book 2, chapter 17
So do You believe the Pope should be CALLED HOLY FATHER ~ WHAT IS HOLY ABOUT THIS OLD GOAT WHO SMILES & WAVES AT PEOPLE
Holy Father is a title the pope claims for himself. However, this title occurs only once in the Bible, and used when Jesus addresses His Heavenly Father in John 17:11 in His great prayer before His betrayal, arrest and crucifixion.
Pontifix Maximus is a papal title meaning in Latin "chief bridge maker" between earth and heaven. However, Jesus Christ is the only One who can claim this title because "no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 14:6. This was a title of the Roman Caesars and of the Roman Emperors of paganism.
The following collection of quotes are cited from The American Textbook of Popery which in turn quotes from the Directory for the Inquisitors (page numbers listed are for the Directory)--
"They who bury persons knowing them to be excommunicated, or their receivers, defenders, or favourers, shall not be absolved unless they dig up the corpse; and the place shall be deprived of the usual immunities of sepulture." --Pope Alexander IV, p. 104
@glizag Never read a piece of sentence and judge the true meaning of it.That's also true in reading the bible. No wonder if you misinterpret most of what st. Paul said.
@For3nity THEN TELL EVERYONE WHAT PAUL WAS TALKING ABOUT OR SIMPLY ACCEPT WHAT HE SAYS AT FACE VALUE ~~ IT IS NOTICED THAT YOU WILL NOT SAY WHAT THE MAGISTERIUM SAYS ABOUT THOSE VERSES
He is a heretic who does not believe what the Roman Hierarchy teaches. --A heretic merits the pains of fire. --By the Gospel, the canons, civil law, and custom, heretics must be burned."--148, 169
"All sects of heretics are condemned and various punishments are appointed for them and their accomplices." --Pope Alexander IV, --p. 135
"Statutes that impede the execution of the duties which appertain to the office of Inquisitors are null and void." --Pope Urban IV, p. 106
@glizag The Church is holy, though having sinners in her midst, because she herself has no other life but the life of grace. If they live her life, her members are sanctified; if they move away from her life (such as in your case), they fall into sins and disorders that prevent the radiation of her sanctity. This is why she suffers and does penance for those offenses, of which she has the power to free her children through the blood of Christ and the gift of the Holy Spirit.
@For3nity ALL GRACE COMES FROM GOD ALONE ~~ I DONT HAVE TO ACCOUNT TO YOUR HORRIBLE SYSTEM ~~ I REJECT IT WITH MY MIND< HEART & SOUL EVERYTHING THEY ARE MANDATING THE LIKES OF YOU TO BELIEVE
@For3nity YOUR SYSTEM IS VERY VERY FAR FROM HOLY ~~ IF U DARE LOOK AT THE LIVES & LIFESTYLES OF YOUR DERANGED POPES & ITS FRUITS THROUGHOUT THE DARK AGES
"The church may by divine right confiscate the property of heretics, imprison their person, and condemn them to flames. In our age, the right to inflict the severest penalties, even death, belongs to the church. There is no graver offense than heresy, therefore it must be rooted out." - Public Eccliastical, Vol. 2, p.142.
@glizag The Church . . . is held, as a matter of faith, to be unfailingly holy. This is because Christ, the Son of God, who with the Father and the Spirit is hailed as 'alone holy,' loved the Church as his Bride, giving himself up for her so as to sanctify her; he joined her to himself as his body and endowed her with the gift of the Holy Spirit for the glory of God."The Church, then, is "the holy People of God," and her members are called "saints."
@glizag Heresy is the obstinate post-baptismal denial of some truth which must be believed with divine and Catholic faith, or it is likewise an obstinate doubt concerning the same. So if you are attacking the Catholic faith, the Fulness of Christianity, you are a heretic and not a true christian.
@For3nity I DONT BELIEVE YOUR POPE IS GOD ON EARTH NEITHER DO I BELIEVE IN YOUR UNBLOODY MESS
IF RCC CALL ME A HERETIC ~~ THEM IM PROUD TO BE CALLED THAT IN DEFENDING TRUE BIBLICAL CHRISTIANITY AS IT WAS TAUGHT & HANDED DOWN BY THE APOSTLES
1. With faith urging us we are forced to believe and to hold the one, holy, Catholic Church, and the apostolic, and we firmly believe and simply confess this church outside which there is no Salvation
@For3nity Whosoever wishes to be Saved needs above all to hold to the Catholic Faith, unless each one preserves this whole and inviolate, he will without doubt perish in eternity ~~ Antanasian Creed ~ First Sentence/
THIS IS PURE RUBBISH & I REJECT IT AS HERESY
SALVATION IS ALL OF GOD
Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God. HEB 12:2
"The Catholic Church has persecuted ... when she thinks it is good to use physical force she will use it... Will the Catholic Church give bond that she will not persecute?... The Catholic Church gives no bonds for her good behaviour." -Western Watchman, Dec. 24, 1908
THIS SYSTEM IS CORRUPT TO THE VERY CORE & USELESS TO ANYONE
"On August 24, 1527, Roman Catholics in France, by prearranged plan under Jesuit influence, murdered 70,000 Protestants within the space of two months. The Pope rejoiced when he heard the news of the successful outcome."-Western Watchman, Nov.21 1912 (Catholic)
March 12, 2000, Pope John Paul II ADMITTED the Roman Catholic Church KILLED the believers and does NOT know the Father or Jesus. To deny that, is to deny the very words of Jesus Christ.
IS THIS THE SYSTEM THAT U BELONG TO? GET OUT OF IT
@glizag Don't you know that it's the protestant who killed and persecuted the Catholics? Read the history. Anyway, those who killed because of hatred sinned, regardless they were Catholics or protestants, and it's nothing to do with the Church. So just stop being unreasonable. Stick to the scriptures. Are ex Jesus believers who turned atheists and mock God still saved? Just answer YES, or NO. Then we will see your eternal salvation theory is true or false.
@glizag You are not answering my question because you keep being dishonest. You know deep in your heart that you are believing in a false man-made doctrine, but you cannot make admit it. Actually nothing to be afraid of. Just admit it and you are free from heresy.Then accept Jesus in His Holy Catholic Church, obey Jesus by obeying all His teaching about the true Gospel that was handed down thru the Apostles, and you will be able to endure to the end and secure your eternal salvation.
@For3nity You are derangedYour question was answered time & time again by 1st John 2 :19 but U will not accept what the bible says which is typical of brainwashed RCs
I left all the junk that you believe in many years ago after realizing that it was a false religion
I believe in what scripture says concerning Christ, salvation but I dont believe what your false system teaches YOUR SYSTEM preaches another gospel that is under a Divine curse Gal 1:6-9
@For3nity U wont even tell me what U believe about Acts 16:30-31 neither will U tell me what your priest would say to the Jailer that is deception are U ashamed to tell me
I reject your unholy system with all its false dogmas & decrees of lunatic Popes
U dont even know the Gospel Message that the apostles preached openly
U dont even believe what the scriptures say about salvation
I am saved by grace though faith UNTO GOOD WORKS & I am kept by the power of God which is not of myself
@For3nity Salvation is all of God from beginning to end
Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God. Heb 12:2
BUT U DONT BELIEVE WHAT THAT VERSE SAYS
RCC never SAVED one lost sinner its a useless false system of unbiblical sacraments & teachings who in their right mind would believe the junk that the Vatican spews out I will never believe it
Who was the Oldest Pope elected in History and when?
A man named Ugolino became Pope Gregory IX at, reportedly, 86 years old in 1227.
However, some historians set his birth date as only “before 1170″; others say “around 1145.”
Before his papal appointment, he had a long career as a deeply devoted theologian, diplomat, & lawyer and was said to be close friends with St. Francis of Assisi.
He held the office for about 13-and-a-half years, dying at a really ripe old age.
Christ bestowed unity on his Church from the beginning. This unity, subsists in the Catholic Church as something she can never lose,.."Christ always gives his Church the gift of unity. This is why Jesus himself prayed at the hour of his Passion,..for the unity of his disciples: "That they may all be one. As you, Father, are in me and I am in you, may they also be one in us, . .. so that the world may know that you have sent me."The desire to recover the unity is a call of the Holy Spirit. =CCC=
The Church is therefore holy, though having sinners in her midst, because she herself has no other life but the life of grace. If they live her life, her members are sanctified; if they move away from her life, they fall into sins and disorders that prevent the radiation of her sanctity. This is why she suffers and does penance for those offenses, of which she has the power to free her children through the blood of Christ and the gift of the Holy Spirit.
United with Christ, the Church is sanctified by him; through him and with him she becomes sanctifying. "All the activities of the Church are directed, as toward their end, to the sanctification of men in Christ and the glorification of God."It is in the Church that "the fullness of the means of salvation" has been deposited. It is in her that "by the grace of God we acquire holiness.
In the supremely wise arrangement of God, sacred Tradition, Sacred Scripture, and the Magisterium of the Church are so connected and associated that one of them cannot stand without the others. Working together, each in its own way, under the action of the one Holy Spirit, they all contribute effectively to the salvation of souls.
In 1512 Christopher Marcellus said this to Pope Julius II:
Take care that we lose not that salvation, that life and breath which thou hast given us, for thou art our shepherd, thou art our physician, thou art our governor, thou art our husbandman, thou art finally another God on earth
Pope Pius V said this:The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in Heaven and earth.
Pope Pius XI said this about himself:
PIUS XI, Pontifex Maximus.
Popes are APOSTLES OF SATAN ~THEY NEVER SPEAK TRUTH
@glizag You will see the Popes as Apostles of Christ if you are a true disciple of Christ. You will see the Popes as Apostles of Satan if you hate them as the enemies of Jesus hate Jesus and His Apostles. This is what Jesus said to His Apostles; those who hear you, hear ME. So who did you hear glizag? Hear Jesus...hear the Popes and the Bishops, because they are the successors of the Apostles of Christ.
@glizag It's you who think the Pope is another God on earth, because you believe so.
So keep it for yourself. I want to repeat: all "sane" Catholic or non-catholics know that the Pope is not God. So honestly believe it yourself, or keep bearing false witness and you prove again the tree you belong to is not a good one.
@For3nity SO YOU REJECT THE STATEMENT THAT THE POPE IS GOD ON EARTH?
IT SUPPOSE U REJECT THIS STATEMENT ALSO
"The pope is the supreme judge of the law of the land . . . He is the vicegerent of Christ, and is not only a priest forever, but also King of kings and Lord of lords"--La Civilta Cattolica, March 18, 1871.
JESUS IS KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS ~~ NOT YOUR DERANGED POPE
@glizag The Pope is the Vicar of Christ. He represents Christ, because Christ asked him to feed and tend His lambs and sheep. That's all what the Popes meant, regardless of the twisted interpretation or twisted translation that you read. Not until you get rid of your anti-catholic sentiment, will you see clearly and objectively. It's too bad to be an anti-catholics. So blessed to be Catholics.
@For3nity n 1512 Christopher Marcellus said this to Pope Julius II:
Take care that we lose not that salvation, that life and breath which thou hast given us, for thou art our shepherd, thou art our physician, thou art our governor, thou art our husbandman, thou art finally another God on earth
POPE ACCORDING TO THIS IS ANOTHER GOD ON EARTH ~~ I DONT ACCEPT THAT DEMONIC STATEMENT
@glizag The Pope is not God. All "sane" Catholics and non-catholics know this. You can do better by discussing scriptures. But you will never make your point based on scriptures, because you lack two legs to stand on...you lack the Sacred Tradition and the Magisterium. So all that you are able to come up with is out of context interpretation and man-made false doctrine that will only lead you to your own destruction as warned by st. Peter in 2 Peter 2:1 and 2 Peter 3:16.
@For3nity THEN YOU REJECT THIS STATEMENT ~ AM I CORRECT
1512 Christopher Marcellus said this to Pope Julius II:
Take care that we lose not that salvation, that life and breath which thou hast given us, for thou art our shepherd, thou art our physician, thou art our governor, thou art our husbandman, thou art finally another God on earth
POPE ACCORDING TO THIS IS ANOTHER GOD ON EARTH ~~ I DONT
DO U REJECT THIS STATEMENT THAT THE POPE IS GOD ON EARTH
@glizag Do you forget that I just posted that you are not in position whatsoever to question the Chursh of what the Gospel truly means? That thanks to the Church you got the bible and know the gospel? That the message of the gospel was handed down thru His Church, taught by the Magisterium by oral and in writing based on the Sacred Scriptures and Sacred Tradition? The Gospel is not only about believing in Jesus, and that He is God, died on the cross and raised from the dead.
@glizag Pls answer my questions about the eternal salvation related to the ex Jesus believers who turned atheist and about your assembly. No need to answer now. Tomorrow is OK. C U.
@For3nity WAS ANSWERED 31 TIMES TO DATE ~ U SIMPLY CANNOT UNDERSTAND THE ANSWER OR REFUSE TO READ THE ANSWER ~~ SCROLL BACK AND YOU WILL FIND MY 2nd LAST ANSWER ABOUT THIS YESTERDAY
TELL ME EXACLY NAME THE PERSON WHO IS AN EX JESUS BELIEVER ~~ OR STOP TELLING LIES
@For3nity WAS ANSWERED TIME & TIME & TIME AGAIN ~~ Quoting 1st John 2:19 ~~ TRY READ WHAT IT SAYS ~~ THEN IT MIGHT EVENTUALLY SINK IN ~~ I DOUBT IT THOUGH
MARCELLINUS 296-304 Though still regarded as both Saint and Martyr in official Catholic literature, Catholic historian Duchesne proves that he died in bed (thus he was not a martyr). And the official Papal Chronicle admits that he abjured (renounced) the Christian faith. From: A Rationalist Encyclopaedia by historian and former Franciscan monk Joseph McCabe
glizag 44 minutes ago
VICTOR 189-198 Friends with the lewdest concubine in Emperor Commodus' palace, which he frequently visited. From: How Christianity Grew Out of Paganism by Joseph McCabe
CALLISTUS 217-222 Had embezzled bank money and was jailed prior to his stint as Bishop of Rome (Pope). From: How Christianity Grew Out of Paganism, by Joseph McCabe
These are RCC SO CALLED Vicars of Christ
glizag 45 minutes ago
The Bible does not support the belief of papal infallibility. It declares that "all of sinned and come short of the glory of God" (Roman 3:23) This includes the Pope
In 1302 Pope Boniface said this in a letter to the Catholic Church
Furthermore we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff. Pope Boniface VIII Unam Sanctam (Rome: 1302).
THIS IS INSANE TEACHING & NOT OF GOD Jesus alone is the way to God
glizag 4 hours ago
@glizag It's because you self-and-mis interpret verses without the Sacred Tradition and the Magisterium. Papal infallibility is biblical if you understand the true Gospel.
For3nity 4 hours ago
@For3nity Do you believe anything in scripture I asked U basis simple plain direct questions that U REFUSE TO ANSWER
I asked you for the RCC interpretation to Acts 16:30-31 & Rom 10:9-13 & Rom 5:1 U ARE ASHAMED TO GIVE IT TO ME I THINK
Sacred tradition forbid eating meat on friday up to 1965 that is called a doctrine of demons that a false religious system will impose ~ RCC is the only system that I know of that tried to enforce this teaching SO Your tradition is in conflict with bible
glizag 1 hour ago
@For3nity The true Gospel is in Scripture as preached by the apostles & disciples its called the Gospel Message that when heard believed & appropriated saves that lost sinner Rom 5:1 fact is U DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT THAT MESSAGE IS
I asked U countless times to outline the Gospel Message for me as U understand it U SIMPLY IGNORED THAT CONSTANT QUESTION
I am sticking to the bible but U REALLY DONT BELIEVE THE BIBLE & U say I am misinterpreting it ~ but U wont give me the RCC INTERPRETATION
glizag 1 hour ago
@For3nity 42. A Pope is supposed to be Infallible that entails that he cannot err when he makes a statement regarding faith & morals
Clement 14th (1769-1774) by an infallible decree ABOLISHED forever the society of the Jesuits,
But Pius 7th (1800-1820) RESTORED the society of the Jesuits,
One infallible Pope restoring once again what another infallible Pope abolished forever, the question must be asked which infallible Pope was infallible here since they cannot both be right?
glizag 1 hour ago
@For3nity I have lots of examples of one infallible Pope contradicting another infallible Pope ~ & its on faith & or morals also ~# if it was just their personal opinions then the rantings of these lunatics is not worth the paper that they are written on ~ & should be discarded as the ravings of deranged maniacs
If U hold to papal infallibility ~ then U should really research that claim & you will find that Popes have been very far from infallible
RCC is pure undiluted GARBAGE USELESS
glizag 1 hour ago
@For3nity Why dont U answer the questions that I have been asking U for weeks now without any response whatsoever If I am misinterpreting scripture as U suggest then correct me with the RCC interpretation I know U wont do that because U simply do not know the RCC interpretation
And since RCC has only infallibly defined approx 7 verses in the N/T you are as much in the dark as they are~ if U try to interpret something outside of those 7 verses & U KNOW IT.
So who really has got it wrong
glizag 58 minutes ago
Pope Benedict IX, known prior to his post as Theophylactus and afterward as the Boy Pope was only about 18 years old when his father essentially bought him the papal seat in 1032
He sold the papacy to his uncle in 1044 as he was fleeing from hostile factions
Benedict got a case of seller’s remorse and forcibly reclaimed the papacy in 1045
He held it for only a month before he lost it again reseizing the office again in 1047 before being run out of Rome for good he died at a monastery in 1056
glizag 4 hours ago
@glizag Why don't you just answer OUR questions. No one will appreciate someone who love to talk about other people lives especially if he doesn't really understand or is not directly involved or related with them. Get real...stick to the bible. Or you are no more a sola scriptura? Good then...congratulation that you now realize sola scriptura is just unbiblical, and that you are to have Sacred Scriptures, Sacred Tradition and Magisterium, or you will never understand the true Gospel.
For3nity 4 hours ago
@For3nity So you dont believe Matthew 16:18 ~that would also be Sola scriptura ~ U would have to demonstrate that Peter was a Pope even if U had not got Matt 16:18 to verify your position ~ your whole System stands or falls on a few verses ~ that RCC has interpreted them to suit themselves
If U had not got Matt 16:18 (Scripture) how could U come to a faulty conclusion that Christ built his church upon Peter maybe U would answer that
Without scripture U would know nothing about ANYTHING
glizag 1 hour ago
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@glizag. The Apostles preached the gospel message. If they had no WRITTEN gospel message, then what's this CALLED?? There's a TERM for this.
Fallschirmjaeger29 asked you above question. I am curious to know your answer. So pls answer; we are waiting.
Another question is: are EX Jesus' believers who turned atheists and mock God still saved? (for you believe and insist that all who said they believe in Jesus will be forever saved and cannot lose their salvation regardless what they did next).
For3nity 9 hours ago
Why at the so called Consecration of the Mass does the priest have to say some incantation over the bread and wine in order to change it into the so called body & blood of the Lord, Jesus or the apostles never did this, why do RC priests have to do it
glizag 21 hours ago
@glizag
Because Jesus told His apostles to "DO THIS IN REMEMBRANCE OF ME"
"DO THIS" --> HE COMMANDED HIS APOSTLES TO CARRY IT OUT
"THE DOCTRINE OF BREAKING BREAD" Acts 2:42 --> Do you know what that is?
How about Heb8:1-3 ?
Fallschirmjaeger29 21 hours ago
@Fallschirmjaeger29 IN MEMORY NOT AS A SACRIFICE ~~ COMPRENDE
John 6 was not literal as PROVEN by 4 verses in that chapter
35, 40, 63, 65 ~~ all teach his message in John 6 was about COMING TO HIM & BELIEVING ON HIM FOR SALVATION ~~ I SUGGEST U READ THEM
glizag 21 hours ago
@glizag
you are incorrect on that. Also, beliveing in Jesus is not just a "belief" of Jesus, it's also accepting EVERYTHING HE LFT BEHIND FOR US and the authority He has given to his ministers in the Church for our edification (2Cor10:8). Also, Read Heb 8
Fallschirmjaeger29 21 hours ago
@Fallschirmjaeger29 U GET SAVED BY TRUSTING IN THE MERITS OF HIS FINISHED WORK ALONE ~~ CHURCH CANNOT SAVE ~~ BUT CHRIST CAN SAVE WITHOUT YOUR SYSTEM
glizag 21 hours ago
@glizag
the CHURCH "IS" JESUS, glizag, THE CHURCH IS JESUS ON EARTH. IT'S HIS BODY, AND HIS CHURCH IS INFALLIBLE. IT ALREADY "IS" JESUS. You poor poor simpletons dont know any better
Fallschirmjaeger29 21 hours ago
@Fallschirmjaeger29 I SUPPOSE THE POPE IS GOD ON EARTH TOO ~~ GIVE ME A BREAK ~~ what can YOUR SYSTEM tell me that the Bible cannot tell me WAKEY WAKEY
glizag 21 hours ago
@glizag
But you;re not THE CHURCH, glizag.. Anything that you give me is "YOUR OWN PRIVATE INTERPRETATION"
DO YOU SEE YET? IT DOESNT MATTER, FURTHERMORE, YOU DONT EVEN "FOLLOW" THE BIBLE
Fallschirmjaeger29 21 hours ago
@Fallschirmjaeger29 WHERE TWO OT THREE ARE GATHERED IN MY NAME THERE I AM IN THE MIDST OF THEM ~~ DO YOU AGREE
glizag 21 hours ago
@glizag
OF COURSE. That still doesnt change the fact that the assembly you belong to isnt the Church. You dont know the bIble very well
Fallschirmjaeger29 21 hours ago
@Fallschirmjaeger29 Two or 3 worshipping together are sanctified in God's eyes ~~ NOT ONLY THAT ~~ I asked U what your system can tell me that the Bible cannot tell me
glizag 21 hours ago
@glizag
The Church is not a SYSTEM. It's Christ's BODY
Fallschirmjaeger29 21 hours ago
@Fallschirmjaeger29 SO U NEED A POPE TO TELL U WHAT JOHN 3:16 MEANS & A CHILD OF 8 COULD TELL U WHAT IT MEANS
ARE YOU THAT FAR GONE INTO RCC BRAINWASHING ~~ THEY WONT ALLOW U TO THINK FOR YOURSELF
glizag 21 hours ago
@glizag
You're dilusional. You dont know the bible very well
"PETER, TEND MY FLOCK" -Jesus
"PETER, I GIVE 'YOU' THE KEYS TO THE KINGDOM. WHAT 'YOU' BIND ON EARTH IS BOUND IN HEAVEN
Are you really this ignorant of the scriptures?
Fallschirmjaeger29 21 hours ago
@Fallschirmjaeger29 POPE IS NOT PETER & BINDING & LOOSENING HAS TO DO WITH CHURCH DISCIPLINE ~~ NOT INVENTING OUTRAGEOUS FANTASY DOGMAS ~~ READ THE WHOLE CHAPTER
glizag 21 hours ago
@glizag
you're a moron. You have no clue what your're even talking about. PLUS, YOU DONT EVEN "FOLLOW" THE BIBLE, glizag
Fallschirmjaeger29 21 hours ago
@Fallschirmjaeger29 WHAT CAN YOUR CHURCH TELL ME THAT THE BIBLE CANNOT TELL ME
Writers on the Canon Law say, "The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in heaven and earth."- Barclay Cap. XXVII, p. 218. Cities Petrus Bertrandus, Pius V. - Cardinal Cusa supports his statement.
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glizag 21 hours ago
@Fallschirmjaeger29
.-Pope Nicholas I declared that "the appellation of God had been confirmed by Constantine on the Pope, who, being God, cannot be judged by man." - Labb IX Dist.: 96 Can. 7, Satis evidentur, Decret Gratian Primer Para.
glizag 21 hours ago
@glizag
im going to dinner, einstein. Come back tomorrow for some more slam dunking. Good night
Fallschirmjaeger29 21 hours ago
@Fallschirmjaeger29 I KNOW YOU NEED DINNER AFTER THE WHIPPING YOU GOT WITH YOUR FALSE TEACHING
glizag 21 hours ago
@glizag
No, the pope isnt God, rather, the successor to Peter to whom GOD has given AUTHORITY
Fallschirmjaeger29 21 hours ago
@Fallschirmjaeger29 "The Pope is of so great dignity, and so exalted that he is not a mere man, but as it were God. and the vicar of God." -Ferraris Ecclesiastical dictionary
"All names which in the Scriptures are applied to Christ, by virtue of which it is established that He is over the church, all the same names are applied to the Pope." - On the Authority of the Councils, book 2, chapter 17
I WONDER
glizag 21 hours ago
@glizag
again, the Body of Christ is The Church. The pope is the TENDER OF THIS BODY OF JESUS on earth. No the pope isnt GOD, but He is the TENDER of Christ's BODY on earth, where GOD "IS"
Fallschirmjaeger29 21 hours ago
@glizag
His TRUE presence is IN HIS Church, glizag
Fallschirmjaeger29 21 hours ago
@Fallschirmjaeger29 If according to RCC one needs to eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood in order to receive eternal life > why is it that the congregation only receive the wafer > and not the wine? Is this not denying what RCC believes about John 6, that you must partake of both flesh & blood, whereas the congregation only receive the wafer (flesh).
What use is the Wafer or flesh to an RC, when he is denied the Wine or blood. ?
glizag 21 hours ago
@glizag
You will answer to God for your attacks on His Church. Ignorance is not a defense. Your assembly didnt compile the BIble. THE CHURCH compiled the Bible. The NT was written by Bishops of the Church. You disagree? It doesnt matter! Ur not THE CHURCH
Fallschirmjaeger29 21 hours ago
@Fallschirmjaeger29 Hence the Pope is crowned with a triple crown, as king of heaven and of earth and of the lower regions (infernorum)." -Lucius Ferraris, «Prompta Bibliotheca», 1763, Volume VI, 'Papa II', p.26)
"Innocent III has written: "Indeed, it is not top much to say that in view of the sublimity of their offices the priests are so many gods." -The dignity of the priesthood by Liguori p, 36
glizag 21 hours ago
@glizag
again, when you quote the NT, ur quoting a BISHOP of the ONLY CHURCH that has ever BEEN!!
Presbyterians? --> not THE CHURCH
Baptists? --> Not the Church
Evangelicals? --> NOT THE CHURCH etc etc
These are "assemblies" invented by people based on a "private" exegetical interpretation of the scriptures with NO authority to do so. Yes, even God knows people are ignorant. He has a "place" for these people, but these assemblies are not THE CHURCH & hold no authority from God
Fallschirmjaeger29 21 hours ago
@glizag
"BUT NOW HE HATH OBTAINED A MORE EXCELLENT MINISTRY"
Heb8:6
Fallschirmjaeger29 21 hours ago
@Fallschirmjaeger29 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure HEBREWS 10:6
glizag 21 hours ago
@glizag
That's burnt offerings of the old judaic law he talking about. The NEW PRIESTHOOD (Heb7:12) is another story. This is the new covenant from God to His Church
Fallschirmjaeger29 21 hours ago
But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should show forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: 1st Peter 2:9
YE (ALL) if U a believer is not a Royal priest then according to this verse HES STILL IN DARKNESS
THe Royal priesthood belongs to ALL BELIEVERS ~~ its sacrifices are PRAISE WITH THE LIPS TO GOD
glizag 21 hours ago
In the Roman Catholic Church you have sacrificial priests, to offer up continual UN -bloody sacrifices, why was there no such sacrificial priesthood in the early N/T church?
glizag 22 hours ago
@glizag
there were back then!!! ALL of the apostles & Paul were BISHOPS and they went out & ORDAINED others in ACTS to the office of priesthood
Fallschirmjaeger29 22 hours ago
@Fallschirmjaeger29 Paul was an apostle he appointed various people to various ministries
An RCC BISHOP CANNOT QUALIFY TO BE A BISHOP AS THE BIBLE OUTLINES THOSE SPECIFIC QUALIFICATIONS
THERE was no such thing as a N/T sacrificial priest in the EARLY CHURCH
glizag 22 hours ago
@glizag
You're totally wrong on this. Completely.
Fallschirmjaeger29 22 hours ago
@glizag
"YOU ARE A ROYAL PREISTHOOD OFFERING UP SPIRITUAL SACRIFICES PLEASING TO GOD" 1Pt2:5
Read the book of Hebrews... "THE OFFICE OF PRIESTHOOD BEING CHANGED" (from the old judaic priesthood to the new priesthood est'd by CHRIST (7:12)
"a mionister of the SANCTUARY and of the TRUE tabernacle WHICH THE lORD PITCHED, NOT MAN" 8:2
"every high priest is ORDAINED to offer gifts AND SACRFICES wherefore it IS of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer" 8:3
Fallschirmjaeger29 22 hours ago
@Fallschirmjaeger29 All believers ALL belong to the royal priesthood ~ which offers up spiritual sacrifices of praise with the LIPS ~~ not unbloody useless sacrifices ~~ like RCC does ~~ RCC priests are separate from the gullible faithful
They are not Royal priests
glizag 22 hours ago
@glizag
No you're not, and no I'm not. Only the ordained minsters of The Church who are Bishops and preists are of the royal priesthood
Fallschirmjaeger29 21 hours ago
@Fallschirmjaeger29 Melchizedek High priest has qualifications WHICH NO RCC PRIEST CAN MEET
DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE QUALIFICATIONS IS ~~ IN ORDER FOR ONE TO BE A MELCHIZEDEK PRIEST ~~ ANY IDEAS
glizag 22 hours ago
@glizag
The qualifications for priesthood are those given by the Body of Christ, The Church. Your assembly isnt The Church, though. You belong to an invented assembly that has no authority given by God.
Fallschirmjaeger29 21 hours ago
If the Mass is the same Sacrifice as that of Calvary ~ and the origin of the Mass is supposed to be the Last Supper, how can it be the same Sacrifice as that of Calvary ~ since the Last Supper took place before Calvary?
glizag 22 hours ago
At the Last Supper as Jesus partook of the bread and fruit of the vine himself, did he in fact eat his own body, and drink his own blood, since it supposedly changed into these things.
glizag 22 hours ago
"Out of the ruins of political Rome, arose the great moral Empire in the 'giant form' of the Roman Church."--A.C. Flick, The Rise of the Mediaeval Church, 1909, p. 150.
Pope Pius IX, in his "Discorsi" (I., p. 253), said: "The Caesar who now addresses you, and to whom alone are obedience and fidelity due."
glizag 22 hours ago
The appellation of God had been confirmed by Constantine on the Pope, who being God, cannot be judged by man." Pope Nicholas I, quoted in History of the Councils, vol. IX, Dist.: 96, Can 7, "Satis Evidentur Decret Gratian Primer Para", by Labbe and Cossart.
glizag 22 hours ago
Superior papal authority and dominion is derived from the law of the Caesars." Lucius Ferraris, in "Prompta Bibliotheca Canonica, Juridica, Moralis, Theologica, Ascetica, Polemica, Rubristica, Historica", Volume V, article on "Papa, Article II", titled "Concerning the extent of Papal dignity, authority, or dominion and infallibility", #19, published in Petit-Montrouge (Paris) by J. P. Migne, 1858 edition.
glizag 22 hours ago
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glizag 1 day ago
"The Church...does not, and cannot accept, or in any degree favor, liberty in the Protestant sense of liberty." (Catholic World, April 1870)
"Protestantism has not, and never can have, any right where Catholicity has triumphed." (Catholic Review, June 1875)
"Religious liberty is merely endured until the opposite can be carried into effect without peril to the Catholic Church." (Rt. Rev. O'Connor, Bishop of Pittsburgh.)
I REJECT ANY RCC DECREE OVER MY RELIGIOUS FREEDOM ESPECIALLY ITS POPES
glizag 1 day ago
@glizag
That's because THERE IS NO OTHER "CHURCH"!! You still remain invincibly ignorant. You dont know any better. This CHURCH already "IS" Jesus' Body on earth. He speaks THRU His Church. "THE" CHURCH is divinely protected from error dogmatically and tenets of the Christian faith. If something's not written verbatim in the BIble to placate you, THE CHURCH --> guided by the HOLY SPIRIT, gives all guidance & edification. Why & How? It already IS Christ in His Church. His TRUE presence is there
Fallschirmjaeger29 23 hours ago
@Fallschirmjaeger29 Jesus speaks through the scriptures & the Holy Spirit brings Christ's words to ones mind through the scriptures
if the RCC is divinely protected Why was it a forbidden to eat meat on fridays under pain of mortal sin BUT after 1965 it was no longer mandated to abstain from meat on friday so if one died ater eating meat on friday before 1965 that person went to hell but after 1965 that was not so
1st Tim 4:1-4 calls forbidding to eat meat DOCTRINES OF DEMONS
glizag 23 hours ago
@glizag
The NT couldnt have been written WITHOUT SACRED TRADTION, EINSTEIN.
Mark, Luke, & Acts are examples of Sacred Tradition. You galactically stupid people dont know any better. You're NOT EVEN THE CHURCH. You hold no authority from Jesus, and you dont even FOLLOW the Bible.
Fallschirmjaeger29 23 hours ago
@Fallschirmjaeger29 When the Gospel Message was preached it was spoken openly to the crowds
When Paul & Peter sent letters to various assemblies EG Ephesians Philippians & Galatians ~ it was read out to those believers present ~ consequently when all the books & letters were collected together They were classed as scripture ~ so after that happened Gods REVELATION on Salvation was complete ~ today we do not need ORAL TRADITION BECAUSE POPES ARE NOT APOSTLES We have THE BIBLE
glizag 23 hours ago
@glizag
Again, glizag, when you quote the NT, you're quoting a BISHOP of THE CHURCH. There has always been only ONE CHURCH. ONLY ONE.
The writers of the NT were already "OF" this ONE CHURCH that still exists today. You dont see that because you simply dont know any better. You're in an assembly that is based on "private" exegesis of the Bible with a following. Nothing more. You're well-intentioned, but you're galactically ignorant, & a dime a dozen
Your assembly didnt compile the Bible
Fallschirmjaeger29 22 hours ago
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@Fallschirmjaeger29 What did Jesus mean when he said where 2 or 3 are gathered in his name THERE AM I IN THE MIDST OF THEM ~~ do U believe Jesus words here? Yes / NO ~
glizag 22 hours ago
@Fallschirmjaeger29 Again I ask Do U believe that Christ is present & in the midst where there are 2 or 3 gathered in his NAME ~ thats a Yes/ NO
Why do U call the Pope Holy Father God's own title ~ what is holy about the Pope ~ UNLESS THE POPE IS GOD ON EARTH TO U
DO U THINK THE POPE IS GOD ON EARTH?
The title "Lord God the Pope" is found within a gloss of Extravagantes of Pope John XXII, title 14, chapter 4,
I think hes just a deranged lunatic in a dress & NOTHING MORE
glizag 22 hours ago
@glizag
You're wrong. Tell me, WHICH GOSPEL DID THE APOSTLES PREACH, EINSTEIN?
Fallschirmjaeger29 22 hours ago
@Fallschirmjaeger29 DO U KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE GOSPEL MESSAGE & THE GOSPELS & GOSPEL WRITERS ~~ CAN U ANSWER THIS QUESTION ~~ WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE GOSPEL MESSAGE NOT THE GOSPEL WRITERS COMPRENDE
glizag 22 hours ago
@glizag
Of course I know the difference. But, you're telling me this, WHY, again? --> your assembly isnt even THE CHURCH of the BIble! When you quote the NT, AGAIN, for the hundreth time, you're
Fallschirmjaeger29 22 hours ago
...not "OF" the CHurch of the BIble. You hold NO authority, ZERO, and your assembly didnt compile the Bible. You cant answer the question. WHICH gospel did the apostles & paul PREACH? A simple question.. Are you gonna hurl green pea soup at me like Regan on the Exorcist?
Fallschirmjaeger29 22 hours ago
@Fallschirmjaeger29 ARE U A BIG DIM ~~ IS CHRIST IN THE MIDST OF 2 or 3 gathered together in his name ~~ THAT HAS TO BE A YES OR A NO
WHICH FOR U
glizag 22 hours ago
@glizag
That correct, when 2 or 3 are gathered in prayer Christ is there. That's not the same as exegesis of all of the scriptures. You still need an authority to give proper exegesis of them. This authority comes from Christ given to His Church to infallibly GUIDE on ALL SCRIPTURES 2Pt1:20, 3:16)
Fallschirmjaeger29 22 hours ago
@Fallschirmjaeger29 So if I gather with 2 or 3 in Christs NAME ~~ U agree that he is in the midst of us ~~ DID I GET YOUR POINT CORRECTLY
glizag 22 hours ago
@glizag
THEN YOU'VE JUST CONTRADICTED YOURSELF!!
If the BIble is what your source is, then WHAT BIBLE did the apostles & Paul have back then? What WRITTEN GOSPEL DID "THEY" THEMSELVES PREACH??
Fallschirmjaeger29 22 hours ago
@Fallschirmjaeger29 They Preached the GOSPEL MESSAGE ~~ THAT WHEN HEARD BELIEVED & APPROPRIATED SAVES THAT SINNER ROMANS 1:16
The Gospel Message is what Christ did on behalf of Sinful man on Calvary ~~ His death burial & resurrection 1st Cor 15:1-3
ALL ABOUT JERUSALEM knew about what happened to Jesus So at that point it was not imperitive for it to be written down COMPRENDE
glizag 22 hours ago
@glizag
I understand just FINE, but again, what part of when you quote the NT that you are quoting a BISHOP do you NOT UNDERSTAND? The entire NT was written BY BISHOPS OF THE CHURCH! MARK & LUKE INCLUDED. They were Bishops. Mark write his gospel based on the sermons of Peter in Rome. Mark then went to Alexandria as BISHOP there and was martyred by being dragged behind horses thru the streets. Find that in the Bible. Find all of the martyrdoms of the apostles in the BIble & most of Jesus' life
Fallschirmjaeger29 22 hours ago
@Fallschirmjaeger29 I understand that all the apostles were martyrs except John ~~ but if Bishops in the N/T church were bound by RCC dogma THEY WOULD NOT QUALIFY TO BE BISHOPS GET THE POINT
glizag 22 hours ago
@glizag
That's BALONEY!! ---> Jesus GAVE AUTHORITY TO HIS CHURCH "WHATEVER YOU BIND ON EARTH IS BOUND IN HEAVEN" -Jesus to His apostles
BISHOPS & priests were married up until the 12th century. This was CHANGED by the Church, the BODY OF JESUS, based on Matt19:12 and 1Cor7:32. The Church CAN DO THIS because of the binding & loosing authority given to it FROM GOD HIMSELF, plus, the Church already IS JESUS ON EARTH-- > it's His Body anyways!! You still dont get it
Fallschirmjaeger29 22 hours ago
@Fallschirmjaeger29 AWW YOU NEED AN UNBIBLICAL N/T SACRIFICAL PRIEST TO PERFORM HIS HOCUS POCUS ~~ I GET U
glizag 22 hours ago
@glizag
Yep, that's what Jesus instituted and what HE BEGAN
"DO THIS IN MEMORY OF ME" -Jesus to His apostles at the Last Supper
"doctrine of breaking bread" -Acts 2:42
"..behind the VEIL, that is to say His FLESH" -Heb10:19-20 (the "veil" of bread & wine)
"you are a royal PRIESTHOOD OFFERING UP SPIRITUAL SACRIFICES PLEASING TO GOD" 1Pt 2:5, 9
Fallschirmjaeger29 22 hours ago
@Fallschirmjaeger29 THE QUESTION REMAINS ~~ DID JESUS CHANGE INTO BREAD IN THE UPPER ROOM WHILE HE HIMSELF WAS STANDING THERE ALSO
DID HE EAT HIMSELF BECAUSE HE PARTOOK
WAS IT A SACRIFICE LIKE CALVARY ~~ IF SO WHAT WAS THE POINT OF CALVARY ~~ IF CHRIST ALREADY OFFERED UP HIMSELF IN THE UPPER ROOM
THESE QUESTIONS NEED TO BE ANSWERED BY U
glizag 22 hours ago
@glizag
His true presence by the power of the Holy Spirit became present in the bread & wine. Paul even says so in his own words 1Cor10:16-17, 11:23-29
Fallschirmjaeger29 22 hours ago
@Fallschirmjaeger29 22. If John 6 is literal language why did Jesus say, that to the people he always spoke in Parables and not literal speech, Matthew 13:34, Mark 4:34, and if Jesus words were literal why did he have to explain what he actually ment to his disciples afterwards, Matthew 13:10- 17.
glizag 22 hours ago
@Fallschirmjaeger29 At the Last Supper as Jesus partook of the bread and fruit of the vine himself, did he in fact eat his own body, and drink his own blood, since it supposedly changed into these things
glizag 22 hours ago
@Fallschirmjaeger29 If the Mass is the SAME Sacrifice as that of Calvary and it is UNBLOODY unlike Calvary, then what does the wine turn into at the Consecrecration ~ if there is supposed to be no blood on the Altar? ~ is this not a blatant contradiction within RCC teaching.# How is the mass unbloody?
GOOD QUESTION I THINK
glizag 22 hours ago
@glizag
The same way that the last supper was not bloody
Fallschirmjaeger29 21 hours ago
@Fallschirmjaeger29 WAS THE LAST SUPPER IN THE UPPER ROOM A SACRIFICE ~~ IF SO WHY CALVARY & A BLOODLESS SACRIFICE IS USELESS & ALSO IF THE WINE TURNED INTO BLOOD THEN THERE WAS BLOOD IN THE UPPER ROOM ~~ ARE U THINKING ALL THIS OUT PROPERLY
glizag 21 hours ago
@glizag
I answered that already.
"THIS IS MY BODY WHICH WILL BE GIVEN UP FOR YOU"
tHIS IS A SACRIFICE.. "WHICH WILL BE GIVEN UP FOR YOU"
Never once does He say "this is only a SYMBOL of My Body, rather, this IS
Fallschirmjaeger29 21 hours ago
@Fallschirmjaeger29 43. If according to John 6:54 >> if after you have eaten his flesh and drank his blood Do you have eternal life as a present day possession quote : Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
If you don’t have eternal life after PARTAKING of the Eucharist then what Use is the Eucharist to anyone? do you or don’t you >> as an RC have eternal life, as a present day possession If not why not?
glizag 21 hours ago
@glizag
That's correct. Those are Jesus' words. He is telling us that this would be the means for having eternal life, by partaking of HIM for our bodies to protect us from the evils of the world, for our spiritual strength and nourishment against satan
Fallschirmjaeger29 21 hours ago
@Fallschirmjaeger29 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on Hebrews 1:3
READ THOSE 4 VERSES IN JOHN 6 ~~ IT WILL EXPLAIN WHAT HE WAS REALLY TALKING ABOUT
glizag 21 hours ago
@glizag
Again, how many times do you need to be told that WHEN U QUOTE THE NT, THAT YOU'RE QUOTING A BISHOP OF THE CHURCH?
Fallschirmjaeger29 21 hours ago
@Fallschirmjaeger29 WATCH THESE VERSES ~~ How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? Heb 9:14
And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission Heb 9:22
UNBLOODY SACRIFICES ARE USELESS ACCORDING TO THESE VERSES ~~ DO U AGREE
glizag 21 hours ago
@Fallschirmjaeger29 Since Jesus as the God/Man could only be physically in one place at a time in the flesh, and as explained by Acts 1:10-11 he ascended into heaven ~ Physically Bodily ~ Visibly, but will return once again to earth in the same manner as the witnesses seen him go into heaven, and all await his physical return Revelations 1:7 how then? Is He physically present in the Eucharist ~ Body Soul Spirit & Divinity if he is physically in heaven at this present time?
glizag 22 hours ago
@glizag
God is omnicient & omnipresent. It is a divine mystery of the miracle of the eucharist, but all mircles are divine mysteries. What we DO KNOW, is that He most certainly is present. Jesus even predicted in Jn6 that people would not believe in the miracle. He hadnt GIVEN it yet; it came later at the Last supper. But, He predicted people would deny this miracle that He would give at the last supper
Fallschirmjaeger29 21 hours ago
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@Fallschirmjaeger29 34. Since Jesus as the God/Man could only be physically in one place at a time in the flesh, and as explained by Acts 1:10-11 he ascended into heaven Physically Bodily Visibly, but will return once again to earth in the same manner as the witnesses seen him go into heaven, and all await his physical return ~ Revelations 1:7 how then? Is He physically present in the Eucharist Body Soul Spirit & Divinity if he is physically in heaven at this present time?
glizag 21 hours ago
@glizag
What's the term called, einstein? Preaching the unwritten gospel that is..
Fallschirmjaeger29 22 hours ago
@glizag
But you dont FOLLOW the bible, glizag, What's your point?
Fallschirmjaeger29 22 hours ago
@Fallschirmjaeger29 WHAT DO I NOT FOLLOW U didnt answer my questions I noticed
glizag 22 hours ago
@glizag
YOu dont follw the Bible, glizag! You "cherry pick" verses from the BIble while ignoring the rest, AND, you have faulty exegesis which means although you're well-intentioned, you have faulty intepretation of the scriptures. (2Pt1:20, 3:16, 1Tim3:15) Jesus foresaw all of this ! This is WHY He est'd His "AUTHORITY", "THE" Church. You peple "think" your assembly is THE CHURCH. This too is incorrect. You belong to an "assembly" that was invented by someone in the last coupla hundred yrs
Fallschirmjaeger29 22 hours ago
@Fallschirmjaeger29 U HAVE ANSWERED NONE OF MY QUESTIONS SO FAR NOTHING ZILCH ~~ now are U going to answr them or not
AND WHAT IN THE BIBLE DO I NOT FOLLOW ~~ U ARE VERY VAGUE AS EXPECTED
I ask Do U believe that Christ is present & in the midst where there are 2 or 3 gathered in his NAME ~ thats a Yes/ NO
glizag 22 hours ago
@glizag
which gospel did the apostles & Paul preach, Einstein? Tell me
Fallschirmjaeger29 22 hours ago
@Fallschirmjaeger29 THEY PREACHED A MESSAGE ~~ ITS CALLED THE GOSPEL MESSAGE ~~ WHICH IS CONTAINED IN THE WRITINGS OF ALL THE GOSPEL WRITERS
THEY DID NOT PREACH ANY INDIVIDUAL EVANGELIST ~~ CANT YOU UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE
glizag 22 hours ago
@glizag
That correct. They preached the gospel message. If they had no WRITTEN gospel message, einstein, then what's this CALLED?? Come on einstein, you can do better than what you're giving me.. What's this called? There's a TERM for this
Fallschirmjaeger29 22 hours ago
@Fallschirmjaeger29 DO U KNOW WHAT THE GOSPEL MESSAGE EVEN IS ~~ I BET U CANNOT OUTLINE IT FOR ME & IT DIDNT NEED TO BE WRITTEN AT THAT TIME
U still wont answer me of the assembly of 2 or 3 gathered in Christs Name & he being in the midst of them WHY IS THIS?
Do U believe CHRIST is present when 2 or 3 are gathered in his name YES / NO
glizag 22 hours ago
@Fallschirmjaeger29 All believers have the Holy Spirit & the scriptures to guide them RCC SYSTEM of manmade dogmas Cannot Save one lost sinner if U think it can Save how does RCC SAVE A SINNER
Christ is present with each blood bought believer by His Holy Spirit how can man made dogmas get a sinner right with a Holy God?
its insane to say that this System is on the same level as the Inspired Scriptures that clearly teaches how one gets saved in contradiction to RCC DOGMA's
glizag 23 hours ago
@glizag
That baloney. You belong to an ASSEMBLY. Your "assembly" holds no authority from Jesus Christ. ONLY HIS CHURCH holds authority. THE CHURCH is Christ's BODY on earth and He speaks to the world thryu His holy Church where the successor to Peter holds this chair of authority.
The apostles were Christ's friends. Jesus made them all BISHOPS to carry out what He left behind for us. They were His authority. Peter was a close friend of Jesus. The successor to Peter carries out this same role
Fallschirmjaeger29 23 hours ago
@Fallschirmjaeger29 Remember in the N/T they had a CHURCH IN THEIR HOMES are U forgetting that & it was still called a church ~ not only that Jesus said where 2 or 3 are gathered in his name THERE AM I IN THE MIDST OF THEM ~ so Christ himself is present in an assembly ~ so what are U talking about
The RCC SYSTEM HAS NO POWER over me because I dont believe in the manmade junk that they teach
I bet U even called that deranged lunatic the Pope HOLY FATHER ~ WHICH IS A TOTAL LIE
glizag 23 hours ago
@glizag
That's because back then, when they celbrated the "DOCTRINE OF BREAKING BREAD" (Acts2:42), they had nowhere BUT in their homes to celebrate. (Also 1Cor10:16-17, 11:23-29). This celebration continues today in the holy sacrifice of the mass (1Pt2:5)
You people think that this celebration is "re-crucifying" Jesus all over again. It ENTERING INTO THAT ONE SACRIFICE THAT HE MADE IN A DEEPER WAY.
"EACH TIME WE EAT OF HIS FLESH AND DRINK OF HIS BLOOD WE 'PROCLAIM' HIS DEATH UNTIL HE COMES"
Fallschirmjaeger29 22 hours ago
@Fallschirmjaeger29 AND THE CHURCH WAS IN THEIR HOMES ARE YOU TELLING ME THAT THERE WAS A PRIEST IN EVERY HOME TO OFFER UP UNBLOODY SACRIFICES GET REAL
Breaking of bread was to do with common fellowship not UNBLOODY USELESS MASSES
They meditated also on what Christ did on Calvary ~~ the Home was in effect a church in N/T times
glizag 22 hours ago
@glizag
You dont know any better. You simply dont. You're galactically ignorant. You dont follow the Bible, either
Fallschirmjaeger29 22 hours ago
@glizag
The Catholic Church is Christ's BODY on earth. Period, You belong to an assembly that was invented" sometime in the last few hundred yrs. This is NOT "THE CHURCH" that Jesus began. These are invented assemblies that were merely invented by people outside THE CHURCH
Fallschirmjaeger29 23 hours ago
@Fallschirmjaeger29 What did Jesus mean when he said where 2 or 3 are gathered in his name THERE AM I IN THE MIDST OF THEM ~~ do U believe Jesus words here? Yes / NO ~ if you dont then why dont U ~~ so there is no need for System gathering its sheep together for their unbloody MESS ~ when a church in N/T was in peoples houses ~ dont U get the point
Is Jesus present when people of my faith gather with other believers ~ that would be a yes or a NO ~ lets clarify these things
glizag 23 hours ago
It is the office of the Papacy to tread under foot kings and emperors.” J.H. Ignaz Dollinger, in The Pope and the Council, (London), page 35
There is one, and only one, sure democracy, the Catholicism of the Popes" -The Catholic World, Oct, 1937. ~ PURE GARBAGE
No man has a right to choose his religion." (New York Freeman, official journal of Bishop Hughes, Jan 26, 1852)
glizag 1 day ago
I DENY THAT THE POPE IS GOD ON EARTH ~~ I DENY THAT THE POPE IS THE WAY TRUTH & LIFE ~~ I DENT THAT THE POPE SHOULD HAVE THE TITLE HOLY FATHER THIS IS PURE BLASPHEMY & HERESY
The church may by divine right confiscate the property of heretics, imprison their person, and condemn them to flames. In our age, the right to inflict the severest penalties, even death, belongs to the church. There is no graver offense than heresy, therefore it must be rooted out." - Public Eccliastical, Vol. 2, p.142.
glizag 1 day ago
@glizag
God said to Abraham "you will be a FATHER among many nations"
Jesus referred to Abraham as "father Abraham"
Paul referred to Titus and Timothy as his SONS. Then what was Paul to them? A FATHER. Also, Paul writes, "although you have many teachers, you do not have many fathers, for 'I' became you FATHER thru the gospel" (this term as a "father" is one to guide as a parent would guide a child to be closer to GOD)
One who is able to guide. Heb13:17; 1Tim5:17; 1Pt5:1-5 "OBEDIENCE"
Fallschirmjaeger29 23 hours ago
@Fallschirmjaeger29 Father or begotten them in that Faith ~~ tell me who in scripture was ever called HOLY FATHER ~~ Gods own title?
"All names which in the Scriptures are applied to Christ, by virtue of which it is established that He is over the church, all the same names are applied to the Pope." - On the Authority of the Councils, book 2, chapter 17
So do You believe the Pope should be CALLED HOLY FATHER ~ WHAT IS HOLY ABOUT THIS OLD GOAT WHO SMILES & WAVES AT PEOPLE
glizag 22 hours ago
Holy Father is a title the pope claims for himself. However, this title occurs only once in the Bible, and used when Jesus addresses His Heavenly Father in John 17:11 in His great prayer before His betrayal, arrest and crucifixion.
glizag 1 day ago
Pontifix Maximus is a papal title meaning in Latin "chief bridge maker" between earth and heaven. However, Jesus Christ is the only One who can claim this title because "no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 14:6. This was a title of the Roman Caesars and of the Roman Emperors of paganism.
glizag 1 day ago
The following collection of quotes are cited from The American Textbook of Popery which in turn quotes from the Directory for the Inquisitors (page numbers listed are for the Directory)--
glizag 1 day ago
"They who bury persons knowing them to be excommunicated, or their receivers, defenders, or favourers, shall not be absolved unless they dig up the corpse; and the place shall be deprived of the usual immunities of sepulture." --Pope Alexander IV, p. 104
glizag 1 day ago
@glizag Never read a piece of sentence and judge the true meaning of it.That's also true in reading the bible. No wonder if you misinterpret most of what st. Paul said.
For3nity 1 day ago
@For3nity THEN TELL EVERYONE WHAT PAUL WAS TALKING ABOUT OR SIMPLY ACCEPT WHAT HE SAYS AT FACE VALUE ~~ IT IS NOTICED THAT YOU WILL NOT SAY WHAT THE MAGISTERIUM SAYS ABOUT THOSE VERSES
SO COME ON LETS HEAR YOU BE HONEST FOR A CHANGE
glizag 1 day ago
He is a heretic who does not believe what the Roman Hierarchy teaches. --A heretic merits the pains of fire. --By the Gospel, the canons, civil law, and custom, heretics must be burned."--148, 169
"All sects of heretics are condemned and various punishments are appointed for them and their accomplices." --Pope Alexander IV, --p. 135
"Statutes that impede the execution of the duties which appertain to the office of Inquisitors are null and void." --Pope Urban IV, p. 106
RCC IS UTTER GARBAGE
glizag 1 day ago
@glizag The Church is holy, though having sinners in her midst, because she herself has no other life but the life of grace. If they live her life, her members are sanctified; if they move away from her life (such as in your case), they fall into sins and disorders that prevent the radiation of her sanctity. This is why she suffers and does penance for those offenses, of which she has the power to free her children through the blood of Christ and the gift of the Holy Spirit.
For3nity 1 day ago
@For3nity ALL GRACE COMES FROM GOD ALONE ~~ I DONT HAVE TO ACCOUNT TO YOUR HORRIBLE SYSTEM ~~ I REJECT IT WITH MY MIND< HEART & SOUL EVERYTHING THEY ARE MANDATING THE LIKES OF YOU TO BELIEVE
glizag 1 day ago
@For3nity YOUR SYSTEM IS VERY VERY FAR FROM HOLY ~~ IF U DARE LOOK AT THE LIVES & LIFESTYLES OF YOUR DERANGED POPES & ITS FRUITS THROUGHOUT THE DARK AGES
WAKE UP & GET OUT OF THIS JUNK
glizag 1 day ago
"The church may by divine right confiscate the property of heretics, imprison their person, and condemn them to flames. In our age, the right to inflict the severest penalties, even death, belongs to the church. There is no graver offense than heresy, therefore it must be rooted out." - Public Eccliastical, Vol. 2, p.142.
WHY WOULD ANYONE BELONG TO SUCH A SATANIC SYSTEM
glizag 1 day ago
@glizag The Church . . . is held, as a matter of faith, to be unfailingly holy. This is because Christ, the Son of God, who with the Father and the Spirit is hailed as 'alone holy,' loved the Church as his Bride, giving himself up for her so as to sanctify her; he joined her to himself as his body and endowed her with the gift of the Holy Spirit for the glory of God."The Church, then, is "the holy People of God," and her members are called "saints."
For3nity 1 day ago
@For3nity YOUR SYSTEM IS NOT THE TRUE CHURCH
AND HAS NO RIGHT TO KILL PEOPLE WHO DISAGREE WITH THE JUNK THAT THEY TEACH ~~ THOU SHALT NOT KILL DOES NOT APPLY TO POPES I GUESS
glizag 1 day ago
@glizag Heresy is the obstinate post-baptismal denial of some truth which must be believed with divine and Catholic faith, or it is likewise an obstinate doubt concerning the same. So if you are attacking the Catholic faith, the Fulness of Christianity, you are a heretic and not a true christian.
For3nity 1 day ago
@For3nity I DONT BELIEVE YOUR POPE IS GOD ON EARTH NEITHER DO I BELIEVE IN YOUR UNBLOODY MESS
IF RCC CALL ME A HERETIC ~~ THEM IM PROUD TO BE CALLED THAT IN DEFENDING TRUE BIBLICAL CHRISTIANITY AS IT WAS TAUGHT & HANDED DOWN BY THE APOSTLES
1. With faith urging us we are forced to believe and to hold the one, holy, Catholic Church, and the apostolic, and we firmly believe and simply confess this church outside which there is no Salvation
Boniface 8th, Bull Unam Sanctum Nov 18th 1302
glizag 1 day ago
@For3nity Whosoever wishes to be Saved needs above all to hold to the Catholic Faith, unless each one preserves this whole and inviolate, he will without doubt perish in eternity ~~ Antanasian Creed ~ First Sentence/
THIS IS PURE RUBBISH & I REJECT IT AS HERESY
SALVATION IS ALL OF GOD
Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God. HEB 12:2
glizag 1 day ago
"The Catholic Church has persecuted ... when she thinks it is good to use physical force she will use it... Will the Catholic Church give bond that she will not persecute?... The Catholic Church gives no bonds for her good behaviour." -Western Watchman, Dec. 24, 1908
THIS SYSTEM IS CORRUPT TO THE VERY CORE & USELESS TO ANYONE
glizag 1 day ago
"On August 24, 1527, Roman Catholics in France, by prearranged plan under Jesuit influence, murdered 70,000 Protestants within the space of two months. The Pope rejoiced when he heard the news of the successful outcome."-Western Watchman, Nov.21 1912 (Catholic)
March 12, 2000, Pope John Paul II ADMITTED the Roman Catholic Church KILLED the believers and does NOT know the Father or Jesus. To deny that, is to deny the very words of Jesus Christ.
IS THIS THE SYSTEM THAT U BELONG TO? GET OUT OF IT
glizag 1 day ago
@glizag Don't you know that it's the protestant who killed and persecuted the Catholics? Read the history. Anyway, those who killed because of hatred sinned, regardless they were Catholics or protestants, and it's nothing to do with the Church. So just stop being unreasonable. Stick to the scriptures. Are ex Jesus believers who turned atheists and mock God still saved? Just answer YES, or NO. Then we will see your eternal salvation theory is true or false.
For3nity 1 day ago
@For3nity YES YOU ARE OF LOW IQ DEFINITELY ~~ & WONT ANSWER DIRECT QUESTIONS ~~ NEITHER WILL YOU READ MY RESPONSES ON THIS FOR WEEKS NOW
glizag 1 day ago
@glizag You are not answering my question because you keep being dishonest. You know deep in your heart that you are believing in a false man-made doctrine, but you cannot make admit it. Actually nothing to be afraid of. Just admit it and you are free from heresy.Then accept Jesus in His Holy Catholic Church, obey Jesus by obeying all His teaching about the true Gospel that was handed down thru the Apostles, and you will be able to endure to the end and secure your eternal salvation.
For3nity 9 hours ago
@For3nity You are derangedYour question was answered time & time again by 1st John 2 :19 but U will not accept what the bible says which is typical of brainwashed RCs
I left all the junk that you believe in many years ago after realizing that it was a false religion
I believe in what scripture says concerning Christ, salvation but I dont believe what your false system teaches YOUR SYSTEM preaches another gospel that is under a Divine curse Gal 1:6-9
There is no hope for anyone in RCC
glizag 4 hours ago
@For3nity U wont even tell me what U believe about Acts 16:30-31 neither will U tell me what your priest would say to the Jailer that is deception are U ashamed to tell me
I reject your unholy system with all its false dogmas & decrees of lunatic Popes
U dont even know the Gospel Message that the apostles preached openly
U dont even believe what the scriptures say about salvation
I am saved by grace though faith UNTO GOOD WORKS & I am kept by the power of God which is not of myself
glizag 4 hours ago
@For3nity Salvation is all of God from beginning to end
Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God. Heb 12:2
BUT U DONT BELIEVE WHAT THAT VERSE SAYS
RCC never SAVED one lost sinner its a useless false system of unbiblical sacraments & teachings who in their right mind would believe the junk that the Vatican spews out I will never believe it
glizag 4 hours ago
Who was the Oldest Pope elected in History and when?
A man named Ugolino became Pope Gregory IX at, reportedly, 86 years old in 1227.
However, some historians set his birth date as only “before 1170″; others say “around 1145.”
Before his papal appointment, he had a long career as a deeply devoted theologian, diplomat, & lawyer and was said to be close friends with St. Francis of Assisi.
He held the office for about 13-and-a-half years, dying at a really ripe old age.
MOST WERE OLD
glizag 4 hours ago
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Christ bestowed unity on his Church from the beginning. This unity, subsists in the Catholic Church as something she can never lose,.."Christ always gives his Church the gift of unity. This is why Jesus himself prayed at the hour of his Passion,..for the unity of his disciples: "That they may all be one. As you, Father, are in me and I am in you, may they also be one in us, . .. so that the world may know that you have sent me."The desire to recover the unity is a call of the Holy Spirit. =CCC=
For3nity 1 day ago
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The Church is therefore holy, though having sinners in her midst, because she herself has no other life but the life of grace. If they live her life, her members are sanctified; if they move away from her life, they fall into sins and disorders that prevent the radiation of her sanctity. This is why she suffers and does penance for those offenses, of which she has the power to free her children through the blood of Christ and the gift of the Holy Spirit.
>Catechism of the Catholic Church<
For3nity 1 day ago
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United with Christ, the Church is sanctified by him; through him and with him she becomes sanctifying. "All the activities of the Church are directed, as toward their end, to the sanctification of men in Christ and the glorification of God."It is in the Church that "the fullness of the means of salvation" has been deposited. It is in her that "by the grace of God we acquire holiness.
+Catechism of the Catholic Church+
For3nity 1 day ago
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In the supremely wise arrangement of God, sacred Tradition, Sacred Scripture, and the Magisterium of the Church are so connected and associated that one of them cannot stand without the others. Working together, each in its own way, under the action of the one Holy Spirit, they all contribute effectively to the salvation of souls.
= Catechism of the Catholic Church=
For3nity 1 day ago
In 1512 Christopher Marcellus said this to Pope Julius II:
Take care that we lose not that salvation, that life and breath which thou hast given us, for thou art our shepherd, thou art our physician, thou art our governor, thou art our husbandman, thou art finally another God on earth
Pope Pius V said this:The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in Heaven and earth.
Pope Pius XI said this about himself:
PIUS XI, Pontifex Maximus.
Popes are APOSTLES OF SATAN ~THEY NEVER SPEAK TRUTH
glizag 2 days ago
@glizag You will see the Popes as Apostles of Christ if you are a true disciple of Christ. You will see the Popes as Apostles of Satan if you hate them as the enemies of Jesus hate Jesus and His Apostles. This is what Jesus said to His Apostles; those who hear you, hear ME. So who did you hear glizag? Hear Jesus...hear the Popes and the Bishops, because they are the successors of the Apostles of Christ.
For3nity 2 days ago
@For3nity ANOTHER GOD ON EARTH ~~ AND YOU ACCEPT THAT THE POPE IS ANOTHER GOD ON EARTH
I HEAR JESUS WHEN I READ THE SCRIPTURES ~~ POPE IS NOT GOD ON EARTH ~~ YOU MIGHT THING SO ~~ I DONT
I THINK THE POPE IS SIMPLY A DERANGED LUNATIC IN A DRESS CLAIMING TO BE SOMEONE HE IS NOT
AND IF YOU THINK HE IS ANOTHER GOD ON EARTH ~~ YOU ALSO ARE AS DERANGED AS HE IS
glizag 2 days ago
@glizag It's you who think the Pope is another God on earth, because you believe so.
So keep it for yourself. I want to repeat: all "sane" Catholic or non-catholics know that the Pope is not God. So honestly believe it yourself, or keep bearing false witness and you prove again the tree you belong to is not a good one.
For3nity 2 days ago
@For3nity SO YOU REJECT THE STATEMENT THAT THE POPE IS GOD ON EARTH?
IT SUPPOSE U REJECT THIS STATEMENT ALSO
"The pope is the supreme judge of the law of the land . . . He is the vicegerent of Christ, and is not only a priest forever, but also King of kings and Lord of lords"--La Civilta Cattolica, March 18, 1871.
JESUS IS KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS ~~ NOT YOUR DERANGED POPE
COMPRENDE
glizag 2 days ago
Pope Pius X (1903-14): "The Pope is Jesus Christ Himself, hidden under the veil of flesh, all must be subject to him."
Pope Leo XIII (1823-29) in June 1894 said: "The Pope is of so great authority that he can MODIFY, explain or interpret DIVINE LAWS."
And again in July 1895 went on to proclaim: "We hold upon this earth the place of Almighty God. 1984, December, 12.
glizag 2 days ago
@glizag The Pope is the Vicar of Christ. He represents Christ, because Christ asked him to feed and tend His lambs and sheep. That's all what the Popes meant, regardless of the twisted interpretation or twisted translation that you read. Not until you get rid of your anti-catholic sentiment, will you see clearly and objectively. It's too bad to be an anti-catholics. So blessed to be Catholics.
For3nity 2 days ago
@For3nity n 1512 Christopher Marcellus said this to Pope Julius II:
Take care that we lose not that salvation, that life and breath which thou hast given us, for thou art our shepherd, thou art our physician, thou art our governor, thou art our husbandman, thou art finally another God on earth
POPE ACCORDING TO THIS IS ANOTHER GOD ON EARTH ~~ I DONT ACCEPT THAT DEMONIC STATEMENT
glizag 2 days ago
@glizag The Pope is not God. All "sane" Catholics and non-catholics know this. You can do better by discussing scriptures. But you will never make your point based on scriptures, because you lack two legs to stand on...you lack the Sacred Tradition and the Magisterium. So all that you are able to come up with is out of context interpretation and man-made false doctrine that will only lead you to your own destruction as warned by st. Peter in 2 Peter 2:1 and 2 Peter 3:16.
For3nity 2 days ago
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@For3nity THEN YOU REJECT THIS STATEMENT ~ AM I CORRECT
1512 Christopher Marcellus said this to Pope Julius II:
Take care that we lose not that salvation, that life and breath which thou hast given us, for thou art our shepherd, thou art our physician, thou art our governor, thou art our husbandman, thou art finally another God on earth
POPE ACCORDING TO THIS IS ANOTHER GOD ON EARTH ~~ I DONT
DO U REJECT THIS STATEMENT THAT THE POPE IS GOD ON EARTH
glizag 2 days ago
@For3nity Ok Then try answer my Questions ~ WHAT INTERPRETATION HAS THE VATICAN ARRIVED AT CONCERNING THESE SCRIPTURES
Acts 16:30-30 _ Romans 10:9-13 & John 3:16
IS IT POSSIBLE TO GET ANY ANSWER FROM YOU THIS TIME
glizag 2 days ago
@glizag Do you forget that I just posted that you are not in position whatsoever to question the Chursh of what the Gospel truly means? That thanks to the Church you got the bible and know the gospel? That the message of the gospel was handed down thru His Church, taught by the Magisterium by oral and in writing based on the Sacred Scriptures and Sacred Tradition? The Gospel is not only about believing in Jesus, and that He is God, died on the cross and raised from the dead.
For3nity 2 days ago
@For3nity I dont question your system I REFUTE YOUR SYSTEM ANY CHANCE I GET
The Gospel Message was preached to the Jews in Acts 2 & to the Gentiles in Acts 10 long before there ever was anything called a Magisterium
You still will not tell me the INFALLIBLE INTERPRETATION that your System has arrived at concerning Acts 16:30 - 31 & Romans 10:9-13 & John 3:16
ARE U ASHAMED TO TELL ME ITS EITHER YOU ARE ASHAMED TO TELL ME OR YOU KNOW THAT YOUR SYSTEM NEVER INFALLIBLY DEFINED THOSE VERSES
glizag 2 days ago
@glizag Pls answer my questions about the eternal salvation related to the ex Jesus believers who turned atheist and about your assembly. No need to answer now. Tomorrow is OK. C U.
For3nity 2 days ago
@For3nity WAS ANSWERED 31 TIMES TO DATE ~ U SIMPLY CANNOT UNDERSTAND THE ANSWER OR REFUSE TO READ THE ANSWER ~~ SCROLL BACK AND YOU WILL FIND MY 2nd LAST ANSWER ABOUT THIS YESTERDAY
TELL ME EXACLY NAME THE PERSON WHO IS AN EX JESUS BELIEVER ~~ OR STOP TELLING LIES
glizag 2 days ago
@For3nity WAS ANSWERED TIME & TIME & TIME AGAIN ~~ Quoting 1st John 2:19 ~~ TRY READ WHAT IT SAYS ~~ THEN IT MIGHT EVENTUALLY SINK IN ~~ I DOUBT IT THOUGH
glizag 2 days ago