Cross of Iron — Beginning (DVD quality)

[piazzapionono]

il titolo della canzone please'??

[titlihoon1988]

Although they were cruel.. I must admit that hitler's army was pretty impressive especially the parades

[0GBrooklyn]

@titlihoon1988 it already was before hitler, I'm not sure he was a great advantage for the Wehrmacht

[Multisoso92]

A great score and a nice movie

[firedrap]

2:41  What is?

[Ketamino1978]

@firedrap Le bandiere del Sesto Esercito, rese ai sovietici. Prego.

[firedrap]

@Ketamino1978 Grazie, ma cosa vuol dire rese ai sovietici? Ci sono filmati più lunghi su ciò?

[Ketamino1978]

@firedrap Il Sesto Esercito fu intrappolato a Stalingrado, febbraio 1943, e finalmente capitolò perchè falliti i tentativi di scappare; vedi → it wikipedia org/wiki/Battaglia_di_Stalingr­ado.

Certo ci sono film e fotografie, questa usate in questo film sono ovviamente filmati propagandistici sovietici. Basta fare una ricerca in Google o in YouTube.

Ti saluto. Bella città, Torino, bel paese, Italia.

[firedrap]

@Ketamino1978 grazie tante. Comunque si, davvero un inizio fantastico. ciao

[Ketamino1978]

@firedrap Grazie, amico. Ciao.

[rexrex118]

THE EASTERN FRONT WAS a HELLISH Battle. 

[CincinnatusSPQR]

The end of this gives you goosebumps.

[Hassar100]

I wonder how many of you knew that after the war, many of the Wehrmacht, the SS and their foreign volunteers who couldn't return home, joined the French Foreign Legion? The Legion went on to fight in has been called 'The First Vietnam War' and brought their 'quaint' practices with them. Maybe the Vietnamese would have fought the Americans in the later war tooth and nail anyway, but having experienced Nazi methods probably colored their perception of them somewhat. Read 'The Devil's Lieutenant.'

[waffenss893]

best soldiers in th world



[dancinkindofguy]

One of the strangest stories of the war is when a Jew in the Finnish Army rescued some SS troops from the Soviets. They wanted to present him with the Iron Cross but he refused.

[dancinkindofguy]

is that Stalin at 1;45?

[Ketamino1978]

@dancinkindofguy He seems to be just a Russian officer.

[dancinkindofguy]

@Ketamino1978 Sure looks like Uncle Joe. He was movin kinda slow at the Kremlin!

[RWT683]

@Ketamino1978 He does look Russian at first glance because of the collar tabs, but I think he's wearing a German police uniform (or possibly SA). The cap definitely looks German. Besides he would be the only Russian in the video.

[Schmidtah]

@RWT683: Cap is definitely Soviet. Possible WWI German Officer cap. There are hundreds of Russians in this video. The second half is the Germans surrendering to them in Southwest Russia.

[paul4opus]

@Ketamino1978 Think your right, not Stalin just a Russian Officer.

[filippos13]

@dancinkindofguy Yes it is

[sosdkny]

@dancinkindofguy

No

[BasinBictory]

Halfdecentgamer,

Agreed. This movie opening is perhaps my all-time favorite. Peckinpah is a master at juxtaposing innocence with brutality. If you've seen his other movie "The Wild Bunch," you know what I mean.

[HalfDecentGamer]

Now this, is what a movie opening is suppose to be like. Its fantastic.

[brooklyn336611]

anyone know the name of the song?  not the nursery rhyme, but of the march spliced therein?

[ImperialGuard9001]

Figh for Europa!

[SouthernSympathiser]

this song is fucking ridiculous.

[ImperialGuard9001]

@SouthernSympathiser The song is beutifull you dont have musical taste

[bunbuntakaharu]

Swastica is most magnificient and groovy icon than any other flags.

German SS’s uniform also most beautiful of all BDU of the world.

[JanAppeldorn151]

they where not nazi`s ... they where crazy`s

[Ketamino1978]

@2210ethan Get out from here, motherfucker.

[ArturAxmann]

If you can not grasp the fact that the Third Reich wished to establish a German pan-European empire, then there is no hope and no point in continuing with you. Good day.

[2210ethan]

@ArturAxmann

Well yes, that's what they wished to establish, but they couldn't, could they? Just like their friends Italy and Japan couldn't, because Fascism isn't such a great idea.

[ArturAxmann]

@2210ethan Fascism has nothing to do with it. Being outnumbered 5:1 with a lack of sustainable resources is the key.

So you now admit the Reich was indeed a newborn empire, yes? And now that it is dead, Europe and western civilization are doomed. Britain is a key offender. And Britain is more dead than any. I would rather live in stupid USA than Britain.

[kill3456]

@2210ethan

I'm inclined to disagree as well on the Fascism comment, these nations would not have originally had the economic or military might had they not embraced Fascism, and I admit war isn't something to embrace but the ideal of Fascism brought great prosperity to various nations of course including Italy and Germany.

[2210ethan]

@kill3456

Fascism led those nations to ruin, and led them to murder vast numbers of their own citizens- not sure if I'd call that prosperity.

And by the way, how can you compare the British Empire to Nazi Germany? I suggest you start with the longevity of each. Then look for the Reich's equivalent of the colonial service. Then look for how many colonials volunteered for service under each regime. Let me know how you get on. Hals und Beimbruch!

[kill3456]

@2210ethan

You must have your time period severely mistaken, allow me to enlighten you.

Germany during this period had no colonies at all, as you should know they were taken from Germany at the end of the first world war along with much other territory the German Empire originally had.

Next Nazi Germany qualified as an empire not by longevity but by vastness of land and I know a jingoist like yourself would hate to admit to that, but its true.

[kill3456]

@kill3456

And as for your statement about Fascism, when you bring me irrefutable proof that Fascism itself was the main cause of these countries downfall only then will I believe you, so far you've only given me odd rhetoric most likely based on an overshadowing political bias.

[2210ethan]

@kill3456

proof? Umm, OK. Fascism led the Axis countries into WW2, which caused those countries to be destroyed.

And I suggest you examine your own reasoning throroughly, keeping the reverse scientific method in mind at all times, before you accuse anyone of 'overshadowing political bias'.

[kill3456]

@2210ethan

I'm one of the very rare unbiased people you'll get when it comes to WW2 so excuse me if it sounds like I might be favoring a particular side in the end I just like fairness.

Now, Fascism was not the reason these countries were thrown into WW2, in fact WW2 can be attributed to so many problems of that day and age one of the most popular arguments is that the treaty of Versailles was the main cause of WW2, the Ideology itself isn't warlike in nature.

[2210ethan]

@kill3456

Saying WW2 was about Versailles is to dramatically minimize the role of Hitler.

No-one is unibiased btw, silly to claim to be (especially if you're from a former Axis country, even one that has done as much for apologies and reparations as Austria).

As for cliches- often things become cliches because they are true.

[kill3456]

@2210ethan

I'm glad your finally starting to agree with me, especially about the Versailles comment.

Oh I forgot my profile still says Austria, my apologies.

[2210ethan]

@kill3456

Not sure how you think I'm agreeing with you, unless you're saying that 'WW2 was about Versailles' is a cliche, which I'm not sure that it is.

[kill3456]

@2210ethan

You aren't much good at this, to understand what I said you'll have to go back to your previous comment and try again.

Please insert a coin to restart.

[2210ethan]

@kill3456

That's an excellent argument you have there, it really contradicts what I said.......

[kill3456]

@2210ethan

I'm glad you agree.

[2210ethan]

@kill3456

What's the Austrian word for sarcasm? "Sarkasm"?

[kill3456]

@2210ethan

Wouldn't know, my French-Canadian heritage is more prominent than my Austrian.

[2210ethan]

@kill3456

Ahh, so the word is there but the concept is hazy. Got it.

[Insurgent999]

@kill3456 A person who seeks the truth without becoming attached by emotions

[2210ethan]

@kill3456

By 'vastness of land' eh? That's fascinating. Any other pearls?

[kill3456]

@2210ethan

Oh it seems I've worn you down.

You can always give up, I won't hold it against you.

[Ketamino1978]

@2210ethan If you want to write just clichés, do it in another channel.

[dancinkindofguy]

@2210ethan The Nazis had all kinds of volunteers for their SS units from all over Europe. Even neutral Spain had a whole division on the Eastern front. In fact they had all kinds of Soviet citizens fighting their countymen.  A lot of Europeans were scared to death of Soviet communism and somehow did not see the evil of Nazi Germnany. As far as the British empire goes, people such as the Irish and the Boers looked at it as the ultimate evil.

[2210ethan]

@dancinkindofguy

Meh- far more Irish (and Afrikaaners) volunteered to fight alongside the Brits than against them. Same goes for Israelis and Indians.

[dancinkindofguy]

@2210ethan They were certainly not in any position to fight against them, thought many did find way. An Indian National Army under a guy named Bose invaded India alongside the Japanese. Irish and Afrikaaners joined the Brits mostly of economic opportunity rather than loyalty to the crown, although many collaborated withthe Nazis.Israelis certainly would have had no reason to join with the Nazis.

[2210ethan]

@dancinkindofguy

Thanks, I'm familiar with the INA, and it's Burmese equivalent, and plenty of other odd allies of the Axis from Iraq to France. The fact remains that far, far more Irish, Indians, Afrikaaners and Israelis (to name 4) fought for the crown than against it. As for the motivations of those involved it's hard to say- was it Moshe Dayan who said "Fight the white paper [restricting immigration to Israel] as if there was no Hitler, fight Hitler as if there was no white paper"?

[2210ethan]

@ArturAxmann

I know they wished to, just as the Japanese their allies wished to. It simply didn't work out for them.

[StarfireAlpha]

I like the little hans song. There's some meaning with the lyrics especially in WWII

[stuart723acf]

ONE of the  best war films i have seen ,GREAT MUSIC SCORES

[marcelino697]

simplesmente maravilhoso,retrata a verdadeira face da guerra.

[Waffen93]

russian anint nothan bur double crossing communist bastards they can all go to hell

[Ketamino1978]

@Waffen93 No, please, the Russians are a great people, and a blood brother people. They are not Untermenschen. Maybe the wrong idea was the Communism, but not much more than Capitalism and Liberalism that all we suffer today. I think so.

[Ketamino1978]

I love Germany, too. I don't think that any country should pillage. I just shame about the War and the result of the War. However, yes, the war is stupid. But Churchill desires more than anyone the war, and now we can know that Soviet Union want to invade Germany in any case.

I'm sorry for your grandfather. My fatherwas in Russia too, near Leningrad, with the Spanish Division. We love the Russian people, I think we all together have to do common cause against the present problems.

[2210ethan]

@Ketamino1978

'Churchill desires more than anyone else the war'?

What on earth are you talking about?

[Ketamino1978]

@2210ethan Just what you listen.

Maybe, you have to read more about History, not just films or stupid Anglo motherfuckers propaganda.

[2210ethan]

@Ketamino1978

I think what you mean is I should stop reading books, and only read far-right pseudohistorical revisionist websites.

No thanks.

[Ketamino1978]

@2210ethan Just History.

But, do what you want.

[2210ethan]

@Ketamino1978

'History'? Riiiight...OK well whatever you've read doesn't seem to have worked out too well for you, but hey, if you have any recommendations, I'm all ears (nicht Guy Sajer oder Ernst Junger bitte, weil ich habe diese buche gelesen). oh and it has to be an actual book, none of your holocaust denying "web based research" crap, and certainly nothing by David Irving.

[Ketamino1978]

@2210ethan If you don't want to read David Irving, you don't seem certainly open to recommendations. For your disgrace, Irving is the greatest living scholar about the period. But where are you from?

[2210ethan]

@Ketamino1978

I read three of Irving's books, (Hitler's War, Churchill's War, Uprising). He is a meticulous researcher, but the conclusions he draws are rather odd, and of course he's been a fascist long before he got published.

I am English, and a great admirer of Max Hastings, though I also rate what I have read of John Keegan, Anthony Beevor and Rick Atkinson quite highly. I'm a big fan of many of the first-hand accounts of the war also.

[Ketamino1978]

@2210ethan You have read more books of David Irving than me.

I think that maybe he is "fascist" as a consequence of his researches, not as prejudice, or aprioristic mental disposition. I was leftist until some years ago, but not more as a consequence of my personal experience, and lectures. Particularly now the government in Spain is a perfect demonstration of the liars and criminal stupidity of the Left, historically here and in many other countries, IMO.

[Ketamino1978]

@2210ethan Certainly, I don't defend everything that does the Hitler regime. But I think the actual facts are mainly hidden under the distortions of the Allied propaganda. However, I never would treat the Russian people like animals, and would have attempted to gain their favour.

From my point of view, the winners have achieved in only 60 years ruin the world, plastifying it, contaminating it, etc.etc. They maybe could have to explain many things.

Un saludo.

[2210ethan]

@Ketamino1978

Ok well I disagree with you about pretty much all of that, but to each his own.

[2210ethan]

@Ketamino1978

ps either way cross of iron is a great movie.

[Ketamino1978]

@2210ethan Yes, maybe this is one of the few point of accordance between us. It's a shame, it seems that today don't exists anymore directors like Peckinpah and others of these times.

[GodwinCarpenter]

@Ketamino1978 Correct and articulate, very pleased.

[ArturAxmann]

@2210ethan So what is a legitimate source of history to a great intellectual mind such as yourself?

[2210ethan]

@ArturAxmann

Ummm.....the library? A museum? Interviews?

Depends what you want? Max Hastings and Anthony Beevor are good writers imo

[ArturAxmann]

@2210ethan Nice and vague of you, pseudointellectual. Are you familiar with the term "victors justice"?

When your now dead empire pays for its generations of crimes, then and only then do you have a right to cry of others. Until then, you are a hypocrite of the highest degree.

[2210ethan]

@ArturAxmann

Are you comparing the British Empire to Nazi Germany? Is that your argument?

[ArturAxmann]

@2210ethan No argument, a statement of fact. Both empires, one which was destroyed when outnumbered 5:1 due to Angloamerican coward criminals being afraid of competition. And now the allied pieces of shit are dying themselves. You for example live in a glorified American state.

[2210ethan]

@ArturAxmann

How on earth was Nazi Germany an empire?

[kill3456]

@2210ethan

"The term empire derives from the Latin imperium (power, authority). Politically, an empire is a geographically extensive group of states and peoples (ethnic groups) united and ruled either by a monarch (emperor, empress) or an oligarchy. Geopolitically, the term empire has denoted very different, territorially-extreme states — at the strong end, the extensive Spanish Empire (16th c.) and the British Empire (19th c.)."

[2210ethan]

@kill3456

Yes, that's a fair definition- do you think that it applies to Nazi Germany?

[kill3456]

@2210ethan

Well of course, many modern historians do as well.

[PanzerLehr88]

"FLOERSCHEL" YOU ARE THE IDIOT, FUCK YOU

[PanzerLehr88]

GREAT MOVIE, **LONG LIVE THE FATHERLAND, DEUTSCHLAND SIEGT AN ALLEN FROTEN**

[floerschel]

@PanzerLehr88 Zieh doch in den Krieg! Da vergehen dir die größen Sprüche! Idiot!

[Ketamino1978]

@floerschel Please, it's your own country...By the way, the war was desiderated more by England than by Germany.

[floerschel]

@Ketamino1978 I love my country! However, saying that any country should pillage others is just plain stupid especially if you are not from that country and just think of the "fatherland" and Nazis as a great people!

My Grandfather came home as a broken man, he just lost it as pow in russia. He hated russians all his life. Now one of my closest friends is a russian. War is just senseless killing.

[FuckFaceDeluxe]

Excellent movie! Cool slow-motions, story that makes you think. Gem of war movies!

[gamrcsd]

This movie is THE best war movie ever! It tells the story what ALL soldiers face in the current wars and the past.

[LibIguFrat]

Una peli espléndida, mi padre me dijo que se la pusieron en la mili como ejemplo de soldadesca, sin embargo, al protagonista de la película se la solpa la lealtad al Fuhrer y a su despechada Alemania.

El final nunca lo entenderé Smell.... Raro raro, no crees?

[Ketamino1978]

@LibIguFrat Gracias por tu comentario LiblguFrat (puto independentista jajaja) Pekinpah no podría defender abiertamente al Führer.

[LibIguFrat]

@Ketamino1978 Ningun director de cine se atreve a defender abiertamente a Hitler (puto facha xD) pero al fin y al cabo son todos unos yankis que no se molestan en aprender historia desde un punto de vista imparcial.

Saludos.

[Ketamino1978]

@LibIguFrat Bueno, creo que vamos camino de ser todavía más analfabeots que los norteamericanos, lo cual quizá podría enseñarnos algo de modestia como españoles. Pero es difícil con un pueblo tan estúpido como el nuestro.

En Hollywood mandan los judíos, es imposible pensar en una visión diferente por parte de un cineasta conocido. Hay que remitirse a los libros, a las evidencias, a suposiciones, al hecho de que en 65 años los ganadores han conseguido hacer del mundo un vertedero...

[LibIguFrat]

@Ketamino1978 Como europeos, debemos mantener nuestra integridad, y que todas las naciones europeas, sea la catalana, o la española, (eso es otro tema) debemos estar unidos, completamente unidos, no políticicamente, sino moralmente, racialmente si quieres, aunque eso de "racialmente" un catalán y un castellano somos practicamente iguales, mientras que un noruego, no creo que quiera unirse con pueblos iberos... Toda la mierda, toda, viene de EUA, y más ahora q tienen un negro gobernando el mundo.

[HansZhen]

anybody can tell me where to buy the movie (dvd)?i am looking for this movie for a long long time! thank you!!

ps: i am living in Taiwan

[Ketamino1978]

Look at Amazon: /s/ref=nb_ss?url=search-alias%­3Daps&field-keywords=Cross+of+­Iron&x=0&y=0

[sultanaandalusi]

esto es una peli? pero la hicieron con imagenes reales de la epoca?

[Ketamino1978]

Si, y la música también, aunque remezclada por Ernest Gold. Al final mezclan imágenes de ficción, lo curioso es que uno no se da casi cuenta, y cuando te quieres dar cuenta, ya «estás dentro». Se trata de imágenes de Stalingrado, sobre todo, la contraofensiva, los prisioneros, el mariscal Paulus, etc.

Como comienzo, uno de los mejores de la historia del cine, creo.

[Smellthegrass]

@Ketamino1978 Estoy de acuerdo, un comienzo impresionante...

[Ketamino1978]

@Smellthegrass Gracias, parece que somos pocos los que compartimos ese gusto. Un saludo.

[BaserritxarDeateru]

joder ketamino!! como te mola el rollo Deutschland Deutschland uber allen!!!!

No te pondra cachondo ese bigotito no??? jajajajajaja!!!!!