Don't mind these, Z. Back you up completely! This is the only channel/site that I can really get an insight what it is like to own such pets. I love it! Hoping to have something like you guys! Never touched an exotic cat at all, would be amazing!
Please don't stop posting vids! I check Rexano.org regularly. More vids on your caging/enrichment would be great! ;)
wait the tiger killed a girl names haley. So now every animal that BigCatHaven and Rexanoexotics had is being taken away? THATS SO SAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I can guess how Haley died his back was to the tiger and that means ambush the prey which is instinct and what kills most exotic animal pet owners so I believe putting them in a zoo or rehab to put them back in the wild is better. Yes most people say but these are wild animals not some cute little chihuahua that stays small. The most reasons people get these animals is because they where cute when they were small but that changes. Like with all wild animals they grow up and become dangerous.
@DivaMomochi Why do you assume the USDA licensed exotic pet owners are all morons and don't understand the instincts of their animals? Do you have any idea how difficult it is in some states to pass the reqs to be able to own one? There are currently 10,000 tigers captive bred tigers in private homes in the US- more than in the wild. Do you think there are enough zoos to hold all these animals? And releasing a captive born animal into the wild is a death sentence: they CAN NOT hunt/ are poached.
@XXXaltiel Dude really this was like 1 year ago. And I didn't even say that there were morons just hypothesized on how the man died. Anyway he may have been a good owner and just forgot one little thing and all of a sudden dead. I know there isn't enough zoos or centers to hold them. And I said rehab then release now just throw them out in the wild I was just stating my opinion like you have clearly stated your own. Doesn't bother me what you think. I'll just go on with my life now.
When people get the urge to hang out with an exotic animal there are three ways:
1) Shoot it and put it on the wall. (BAD)
2) Adopt one and then not be able to afford or handle it.
3) Satisfy their curiosity for $20 at a "roadside zoo".
And once they do that, they are going to be tiger, puma, whatever boosters forever.
"Roadside zoos" are the worst thing you can mention. And actually they are the best solution to human curiosity. You just don't like the idea of people making money
Those truly interested in getting educated instead of listening to stupid trolls propagandas who keep spamming our videos, the topic of tiger farming, as written by India Liberty Institute, go to REXANO org website and click on conservation button. Alligator and buffalo farming saved American alligator and buffalo; captive supply eliminated the demand of wild killed product. Simple economics, something the animal rights trolls wouldn't have a clue about
educated about what exactly? The fact that white Tigers are severely inbred? The fact that the white tiger is riddled with so many genetic disorders that it is sickening?
Hmm, since there is no tiger farming in the U.S., why do you bring up something that has nothing to do with private ownership in the U.S. or the video above. The Chinese and Indian governments are the ones debating tiger farming, go argue with them. Besides, how would tiger farming hurt conservation efforts?
Keep trying to preserve them in the wild, but what does that have to do with private ownership? Would you rather keep them in the front yard or maybe the side yard?
allysia02, if I can say this without hurting your feelings, you are the kind of real bitch with isssues who bully fellow students. Well, honey this isn't high school anymore. You are no longer the teacher's pet.
Take your hippie socialist totalitarian bullshiit and shove it right up your tight ass.
REXANO, whoever you are, keep up the good work. Its time we stood up to these people.
Loudly stand up. No more politically correct nonsense. Thanks. Favorited and subscribed.
Only a few people don't know that the cougar, or mountain lion or puma is unique to the Americas. They aren't in Europe or Asia or Africa.
This magnificent animal, revered by Native Americans is as much a symbol of America as is the Eagle. And it is as threatened, but not protected.
BigCatRescue's owner stands to profit handsomely from the Haley's act. She portrays herself as a friend of animals and a conservationist, but the reality is very ugly.
You are so right about Haley's Act being a "feel good" bill that does nothing to protect anyone and actually is detrimental to animals.
Most of us who watch these clips are friends of animals. It is a few hysterical loonies-- the type of nut case just functional enough not to be locked up--who support this.
If you have ever been cornered in public by someone you barely know while they rant about some esoteric "injustice" you know who I am talking about. Folks with some serious "issues".
I find it interesting that people refer to Haley as a "child". She was well aware of what she was doing. So, why should people like my friends that keep exotic cats be punished because of the actions of one person, who freely went in a cage with a tiger. Why do some people seem to think that we need the government to tell us how to live our lives. PeteWentzLover1011 appears to be one of those that wants the government out of their lives, but wants it in everyone else's.
Well, I do guess that if you're responsible, you should be allowed to care for your own tiger, but like I said, too many exotic pet owners get cute little tiger cubs and then when they grow up dump them at sanctuaries because they can't handle them, or keep them in filthy cages that are just sickening. That gives exoctic pet owners a bad name. I'm sure some tiger owners take extremely good care of their pets, and love them, but it's the few bad ones that make them all look bad.
Pete, we have no way to know how many are bad and how many are good. I would save the entire trade for the sake of the few good ones, and why? Because when it's good it's very very good. Most of what you hear against it are lies and exaggerations. The animal rights activists beat up on everything they can every chance they can get and they punish responsible, good owners first.
Many sanctuaries are really SCAMstuaries, they breed cubs themselves or buy them from fellow SCUMstuary. Then they tell the gullible public the fake abuse story, the sad stories bring $ for their personal pets collection public is now supporting.This is fraud against public and responsible honest exotic owners.Once in a while they bring in high profile publicized cases, which brings media exposure and money and make it appear this fraud is a real sanctuary.See our Sex,lies and YT video
Tigers and lions, leopards and jaguars breed readily--how is this cruel? Enclosures are inspected annually--concrete enclosures are a thing of the past--even zoos are catching on to that--there are SO few photo ops with cubs--how do they end up in sanctuaries?--they do not, that is false propaganda--the occurence is so ?minute? as to be ridiculous to keep harping on it! These animals thrive in KNOWLEDGABLE, RESPONSIBLE hands!
UGH. If you want to interact with big cats that badly, go to college and become a zoologist! Like I said, public big cat petting is horrible and once the cubs are grown they're discarded, sometimes even killed! They're kept in cruel conditions. Only educated zoologists should interact with big cats!
I'm all for the Haley Act. There is no reason people need to touch tiger cubs. Those tiger cubs are just discarded when they're too old to be handled. It's a horrible industry. Read up, my friend.
White tigers and liger should never ever be breeded, by the way. It's a cruel and horrible practice. Enclosures should be inspected annually to ensure safety for people and the cats. Concrete should be a big no-no. But the sad thing is most exotic cat owners buy tiger cubs as cute babies and when they grow up, they realize they have this big wild tiger on their hands and try to get rid of them to sancturaries like shy wolf and BCR.
I have a mkixed opinion about exotic cats as pets. Personally, I don't think that any cats of the panthera sub family should be allowed to be kept as pets (tigers, lions, leopards, etc), but servals and caracals are slightly different. You should sign an agreement saying that you will care for nthe cats until the day the leave this earth, and not decide you don't want them when theyre no longer cute babies. You should have to have a license and an inspected enclosure.
Actually big cats like lions/tigers have more dog like personalities than smaller cats. Do not listen to SCAMstuaries, they have no clue about training, all they do is keep animals imprisoned in cages with no hands on love and enrichment these captive bred creatures love.Anybody can be a SCAMstuary, no training necessary,all you do is get public's money telling fake abuse stories, throw meat in the cage, get some for yourself to get fat and bad mouth good private owners they are jealous of.
EXACTLY !! I think of BigCatRescue as the pinnacle of this hypocrisy. A SCAMstuary.
Check out a bio of the owner of BigCatRescue.
She married a rich guy. They had lots of exotics and bred them. Then he mysteriously disappeared and she inherited lots of money.
No one could ever prove anything.
BigCatRescue will profit handsomely if Haley's Bill, of which she is the most vocal proponent. All kinds of banned animals will go there. She will seek government subsidies.
Just like with any big dog, you teach big cats manners when they are still young: no jumping on you, no biting. People are NOT toys, we are there to hug them but they can not use us as a toy.
You are entitled to your personal opinion, keep your doemstic kitties but do NOT dictate to the rest of the world what pet is best for them. Who made you god?
we don't have big cats here in the philippines but i would rather see them and be educated by watching the discovery channel and the national geographic channel. the main problem is people are fond of abusing. people abuse other people, how much more to an animal who can't speak their thoughts. ARE YOU STILL GOING TO WAIT FOR A 12 WEEK OLD TIGER TO DO SOMETHING TRAGIC BEFORE REALIZING?! it may be a rare incident but it could happen.
If you are so worried about accidents and incidents, you shouldn't live in Philippines. It is more dangerous with all the volcanoes to live where you live than have pet exotic cat.
the issue here is about the act not where someone lives. we don't have the same line of thinking so don't expect that everyone will agree with your videos.
I was putting the life and real danger in perspective for you and you threw an emotional hissy fit. Captive exotic cats kill on average 1 person per year in the USA, majority are owners/traners, aka, voluntarily accepred occupational/hobby hazard. NoT any different that firefighter dying in fire or skydiver dying in plane crash or parachute malfunction; should we ban these hobbies and jobs as well?
they are supposed to be in the wild. why settle for the big cats if we have domestic cats? people love their exotic pets but most of them just want to show them off. they allow posing with the cubs to make money then they will give reasons like "so that we can have the means to feed and take care of them" and why breed some more if you are already having problems on how to feed and care for them.
Wild is a dangerous place for tigers, they are being poached to extinction. As for your comment that most exotic owners just want to show them off, is that you personal opinion or some slogan you read somewhere, or do you have actual data to back up your claims as facts? US has no problem with cats, US has problem with scamstuaries who buy/breed exotic cat pets and lie to public that these cats were rescued to get donations for the personal pet collection.
about those owners trying to show them off i have seen alot of them in tv, people who ran for senate, those who are rich (like they can afford these kind of pets) and even a cult using 3 cougars to show how people can dominate the world. and i am not trying to persuade anyone, these are my opinions.
So everything you see on TV is total truth? TV is never biased or sensationalized? How many private pet owners of big cats do you actually know so you can base your opinions based on facts and not propaganda and biased reporting?
TV may not be biased but I saw them in the news so it is true, even on broadsheets. it is not propaganda, it is real that's why i am strongly not in favor of the haley's act. if you think this is an emotional hissyfit, why fuss about it?
YOU ARE ENTITLED WITH YOUR OPINION AS TO MINE. and please don't keep on changing the topic. you said that "Captive exotic cats kill on average 1 person per year in the USA, majority are owners/traners, aka, voluntarily accepred occupational/hobby hazard. NoT any different that firefighter dying in fire or skydiver dying in plane crash or parachute malfunction" is it the same with big cat killings?
Here we go again and no need to reply to me personally S&LQueen--the animal rights movement is fueled by power and greed--it seems to me that you are one of their puppets and they pull your strings--why not have guts and pursue what you really want--a big cat of your own--the time will come when AR will cut your strings and dispose of you like yesterday's news when you are not needed anymore.
So, there are uneducated fools who think the "wild" animals should be left in the "wild"--disease, famine and poaching, not to mention loss of habitat--why don't you allow yourself these same living conditions and let the pampered, well-adjusted exotic animals in responsible hands have their peace. And while you are at it, throw in some roundtrip tickets for everyone to go see these "wild" animals in their natural habitat.
Disease is natural and poaching could be stoped if we stopped buying animal skins/products.
To stop the loss of habitat we need to reserve and preserve natural areas for the animals.
But keeping a full-grown tiger in a small house, that will never replace his freedom, home range, mates or life. ALL animals were meant to be in the wild and it has taken thousands and tousands of years to demesticate
a small cat- we can't demesticate a full-grown/baby animal species in one year!
Who mentioned keeping tiger in small house? You need to do your homework before replying with nonsensical BS. Many private owners have spacious enclosures, some even involve cats going in and out of home, whatever. You are living in a dream world if you think we can stop habitat destruction and poaching. What about Egyptians employing baboons, not against their will, btw, and having big cats as pets?
Go visit a small facility that responsibly keeps big cats. You might be amazed at how many things that you and many others do not know about husbandry of these animals. Although all animals should have ample space, I know of at least two cats-- a lion and a tiger-- that prefer small spaces over a large enclosure. And this tiger is just as physically fit as one who has several acres to themselves. What is the big difference here? Almost constant human attention in an atmosphere of love and care.
Haleys act should be passed- will we miss out on ANYTHING?! NO! By holding a baby big cat/exotic animal is putting your self and the animal at danger! If the animal hurts the person holding it, the animal is shot dead right on the spot for acting instinct. People are just against HR 1947 because they'll lose
money. But no life should have a price...
NO WILD ANIMAL CAN BE TAMMED! It took thousands and thousands of years to domesticate a small cat you can't just take away a WILD ANIMALS freedom!
Please forgive me for being blunt, but this is poppycock. Better domestication than extinction because the natural environment is gone. Better exhibition than non-existence. Better LIFE than DEATH. What have you done today, SnowLeopardQueen, to increase the wild habitat of the world? HR1947 will only lead to death. It's not worth it.
Hmm, I don't recall any 4 month or younger cat cub being shot for scratching anyone. No one has been killed by a 4 month or younger exotic cat, so your safety arguement is just plain wrong. You'd better give an example instead of emotional BS.
No wild animal can be tammed??? I guess wild horses aren't ever tammed. What do you propose next? Banning the handling of puppies?
There are few things more special in the world than holding a bay big cat. It teaches the human respect for these animals and it teaches the cat to love and trust people. Baby big cats are not harming people who hold them, and above all, are not getting shot if they scratch the person. As far as taming goes, we have tamed nearly all species of animal to the point where they are not only reasonably safe to work with, but capable of building a deep and meaningful relationship with their keepers.
High moral ground? If your way were so high you would take yourself out of the quotient and leave all the so called 'wild' to the animals. Many choose to learn to actually live with side by side. Glad I don't have your 'morals'and unrealistic view.
Haha, everyone that posts a comment here that is in favor of keeping big cats as pets has to some how justify themselves. i think no matter what they say, they know somewhere deep down, that keeping wild animals is wrong! enough said. And please people, dont reply to this comment, because im not interested!
what? Are you on something? You make a post accusing people and then you say people shouldn't reply? What made you think the people you speak of would be interested in your post anyway? Duuh.
You're here responding to replies that you're not interested in and you think keeping wild animals is wrong. You have a lot to learn about the moral high ground. If you don't want to own wild animals then don't own them or any animals at all. Domestic animals originated from wild animals. You should be tolerant, diverse, unbiased, and open minded to viewpoints other than your own and not object to responsible people owning wild animals. Not to do so would be bigoted and closed minded.
Fair point, but i can be as biases as i want, afer all, they are only my opinions, and not fact. But please dont think im closed minded, just because i have decided i personally think one side of an argument is right, doesnt mean i havnt listened to the other side! Domesticated animals have undergone artificial selection and are no longer wild, they would not be able to survive in the wild, as most of their instincts have genetically deteriorated.
There are a lot of formerly domestic feral cats running around where I live. I don't think any animal loses its instincts. Instead, I would argue that they chose not to use those instincts.
I see your point of view. However, I don't see why people who want to own exotics and those who want to let them in the wild cannot get along and coexist. Let responsible owners have exotics, and if you don't want exotics then don't own them. I don't see why each responsible person can't do their own thing.
It appears many people have a profound misunderstanding of animal psychology. Just because a creature is "designed" to kill does not mean it will. Big cats love human attention just as much as domestic cats. All cats are incredibly intelligent. There will be problems, of course, but by far fewer problems than there is with humans, and dogs. Nice video, I hope it does some good. Sadly, I saw this too long after it was posted.
Speaking only for myself, I do believe that it would be in the best interest for the human and the big cat if people were not allowed to touch them, and just to comment on this video, and what is being said is a matter of opinion, but I have a real problem when you say that only 1 person is killed yearly by a big cat, you make it sound like this is ok, but one person in ten years would be to many as I see it. M.W.P
I see your point of view, but I do think you should take into consideration that all cats, big and small, display affection by rubbing their cheeks and the sides of their bodies up against someone they trust and/or love. Also, 1 person is killed yearly by big cats is true, but don't forget that 32 die yearly of domestic dog attacks, 39 of beatings, 373 of alcohol, 742 of aircraft, and 44,757 in auto accidents. Big cats are a nonexistent problem when compared to all those other deadly things.
It isn't true that exotic animals belong 'only in the wild'. They THRIVE in private ownership with MUCH longer lifespans. If people could actually SEE exotics in responsible private environments I believe many would change their minds. They are happy, well cared for and healthy.
Reality is humans are encroaching more & more on these animals "wild" habitats, & aren't going to stop. If people support AR groups in believing animals should remain in their wild habitats, they WILL become extinct. Their chance of survival is by being bred in captivity, & raised by zoos or private owners. Would you rather see them extict or living, well cared for in captivity? If the USDA inspected and enforced rules, Haley's Act would'nt be needed bc laws in place now.
Bottom line is simple People should be responsible for their actions. Look what you are losing in long term freedoms by asking the government to regulate everything high risk. If you want a new USSR, vote for a new law, if you want to stay USA, do not be afraid to say, oh, my fault sorry how can I fix it.... too many people say that hurt so now you have to pay me...
You may be a responsible owner.The fact is that many are not.I'm sure your aware of the masses who use them for their own gain.For many, an animal is simply a business.Tiger cubs are continuously bred for photo ops & once they are too old they are slaughtered & the next litter is up for exploitation.Exotic's are not meant to be kept in cages nor used as photo props or to touch &feel.Haley's Act would not only protect humans from themselves but would save many animals the cruel fate of captivity
It's ok if an animal is a business. That means that having the animal pays for itself. It certainly does with the sanctuaries that take in a lot of money to care for "rescue" animals.
The responsible animal owner using their animals for business purposes threat their animals with care. Poorly cared for animals do not ensure continued business! No one seems to be able to produce evidence about the 'massive slaughter of tiger cubs'. Touching is an important part of feline communication. Why should something important to them be legislated out of existence?
"Tiger cubs are continuously bred for photo ops & once they are too old they are slaughtered" -- That's already against existing cruelty laws. We don't need new laws. We need the existing cruelty laws enforced. Every tiger and tiger cub I've met has come from a private sanctuary or an exhibitionist whose cats live in larger cages than their own houses. Not a single big cat on the east coast was slaughtered as you describe except for unfit breeders at "Wildlife on Easy Street".
Why not? Isn't their life/death sensationalized or important enough to name a bill after them? I found this comment rude and callous in light of the situation, and when things such as bicycles or toys injure or harm kids there is usually always a recall and something is done to prevent things like this from happening again the same should go for tigers.
These animals should not be allowed into this country. Breeding in captivity should be banned as well. The animals belong in the wild and there is no "wild" in the USA for them. They live here in a useles existance, caged up.
Not be allowed into this country? Exotics have been bred and born in this country for generations and at the rate they are disappearing in the wild may someday be the ONLY animals of their kind found anywhere. For a captive born animal, captivity IS their 'natural' environment! They have no concept of 'the wild' and, properly cared for, are quite content to be fed and cared for by their human caregivers.
You're kidding, right? Have you been keeping up with breeding populations in "the wild" and habitat destruction by desperate humans? Are you one of these "neo Darwinists" that think that only the "fittest species survive" thus tigers deserve to be extinct?
These cats deserve respect. A tiger starts out as a small cub that grows up and hunts large game in the forest, alone. Take it in, feed it, play with it. It won't stop being what it is.
We should protect Tiger habitat, stop the illegal poaching, and ensure a future for these creatures to live like they should. They deserve it.
I don't know of any responsible exotic animal owners that would disagree with you. I, personally, and many others support the conservation and reclamation of wild habitat and all of the creatures that live there. The sad fact remains that there is an overpopulation of human beings and the places where tigers and lions live in the wild are under severe pressure by very poor humans trying to eke out their survival in direct competition for this habitat.
DreamerM, I agree with you. However, I don't see any harm to having tigers and other big cats as pets. Nearly every responsible owner will tell you that the tiger owns them rather than they own the tiger. You can be respectful to a tiger and still own it as a pet.
By desiring to be around or own a pet exotic cat, I assume the risk of injury or death. To me it's just like assuming the risk of injury or death when getting in a car, base jumping, or camping in a national forest. I take responsibility for my actions and am not sitting around waiting for any excuse at all to go sue something because it hurt me. If I want to do something dangerous, then that's what I'm going to do be it hanging out with tigers, smoking, driving fast, or something else.
Useless existence? The fact that these animals, when properly raised love people and bond deeply with them? Relationships are the most important part of the existence of any higher animal, including man. The cats would disagree with you. The proof of this is that with good care, the cats breed very successfully in captivity.
Imagine you are an exotic animal. Now pick one of the following:
1. Bulldozers
2. Poachers
3. Loving humans to interact with at their home and a steady food supply
The wild is quickly being wiped out, paved over, and chopped down. What's left is constantly under attack by poachers, who are even more of a problem now that they've successfully gone underground to avoid bans. Pick one of the above options and do it quickly. Animals like tigers and cougars are disappearing at extreme rates.
How about we imprison the illegal immigrants in U.S. and take them there for good so they can get stoned and have sex, everyone's happy then, then we should stop trying to make every country like the U.S. because we have our heads up our asses anyway! Then we need to wipe out half the population and blame it on the iraq War. hen let life grow back and all of the animals are restored. Your not convincing anyone anything, I'm sticking to what I say so might as well not even reply, have a nice day.
I'm not the one trying to remove the rights of other people. It makes sense if you consider the biggest threat to 'habitat'....human population. How is it preferable to keep all animals in the 'wild' and watch it gradually cause species to become extinct? Learning to live WITH is much more preferable to me and many. Many 'captive' animals are very well cared for in every aspect of animal husbandry.
Any law that prohibits touching an owned animal is in fact going against the constitutionally guaranteed right to handle one's own property as one sees fit. By prohibiting physical contact with exotic pets from an early age, Haley's Act guarantees these animals will *not* develop much friendliness towards humans - a safety factor in handling them throughout their lifetime. Just what the Animal Rights Industry wants!
Ligers justify their own existence. Most love human companionship. I worked with a liger for five years. This cat 'chose' me to be his friend. This cat and I were bonded up to the moment he died of old age. Don't make claims like you are making unless you have spent time with ligers!
The natural environment is nearly gone. It is likely some big cats will soon be extinct in the wild. Captive breeding of big cats is a necessity if we want to save these beautiful creatures.
If you love big cats so much you'd be against keeping them as pets & handling them. You'd say that we should leave them in the wild where they belong! To tell the truth I don't care about humans, it would be best if we never came here & if we did stay like the Natives & live in coexistance w/ nature, not using it for its resources! There are 6.2 billion people on Earth, I say it should be more like 5 million. Also, we need to dispose of illegal immigrants from our country... Rachel
Rachael, its too bad you haven't been around big cats. They easily adapt to their environment, and well cared for are as happy captive as they are wild. They live longer lives, and face less dangers living with humans. Above all, they can use their built-in ability to bond with and love those people they share their lives with. You make no secret about the fact you don't like people. Neither do most animal rights people. They hate animal owners because animal owners know how to love.
I know very well how to love, I just don't choose to stand in the way to the better life in the wild. They actually get to run without being enclosed by a fence in the wild. I don't hate people I just hate what they've done & contributed to. I'm just as loving as any pet owner, but I don't make them so dependent on me as you do. I just hate the wild animal owners that want animals to be dependent on humans. I am just trying to stick up for those household pets with no life.
The term 'slave' is a human term. Animals know nothing about slavery, especially if they are happy and well-adjusted in captivity. And as far as 'running free', big cats (even then cheetah!) sleep for 20 hours a day. Their idea of a 'run' can be fully accomplished in a reasonably sized enclosure. The only way you will see that what I am saying is true is to visit a place that takes good care of their cats and observe. You will be mighty surprised with what you see!
Tigerclaws107, you need to be more open minded, tolerant, unbiased, and accepting of diversity. If you don't want to own wild animals, then don't. If other people want to own wild animals they should be able to. Most responsible owners of exotics recognize that their pets get bored because they actively read and interpret their body language, unlike your typical domestics owner. Responsible exotic animal owners constantly enrich their pets and give them fulfilling lives to keep them socialized.
Then why do all of those exotic pets end up in rusted iron bars?! A human will play with the cub, awe its so cute, then when it tears up the couch and breaks someones arm, trying to lay with them, they are more than likely history, and those sanctuaries will never make it good enough for them to live, I say why not patrol animal wildlife borders and kill any poachers/humans that come near them on spot, that's how it should have been in the first place. Why does it matter if one person dies?
Tigerclaws says: "There are 6.2 billion people on Earth, I say it should be more like 5 million." This is obviously a child speaking, but since 'she says' there should be 'more like' 5 million people on this earth I suggest that she devote herself to mandatory "spay/neuter" programs for animal activists who hate humans who love and care for exotics in captivity.
Haha, whoops, I meant 1 million :] And your right, a child is speaking. I tell you, adults' should speak less, children have better opions. Stop trying to sound superior and drop your info when you don't know me & certainly don't know my beliefs, and what your suggesting sounds quite true, but I don't choose to work with domesticated animals, I want to save wild species from extinction...but 'society' has deprived underage children because of their inability to 'comprehend' the maturity of it...
Ever hear of wild packs of dogs? Feral cat populations? Even feral humans? Better to live WITH than without. Takes personal knowledge and experience, hope you get the chance to since you are young. Understanding, willingness to learn and accept, time, committment. Even human raised dogs tear things up or potty on the floor until theyare taught.
Yes cute adorable they may be; Natural no!! It is wrong to breed Liger and Tigons! This is not good for the preservation of our wild Big Cats. They belong in their natural habitat!! Pets sorry wrong too!
All cats need to be stopped from breeding outside their Natural habitat. Then one Day maybe they will be where their right is; Free to roam in their own land!!!I understand your love;I love them to that is why I want them to be free!!!
Cliffe, all that doesn't really make sense. The most important fault in your statement is in the fact that humans are natural and what we do is natural.
A handful of hybrids will do absolutely no harm to their parent species. Ligers are very much a wonderful addition to the world. Nature experiments a lot.
In fact, when humans benefit from the use of animals, the animals also prosper. They are happy to live with humans and domesticated animals number in the millions.
So you are against any interracial 'breeeding' of humans also? If humans are allowed international travel, cohabitation, then how does your animal rights philosophy discard ligers and tigons? Just a thought, would like to know your answer.
Had only 500 characters and was trying in my first post to be more 'politically correct'- hope you can get the gist of what I'm saying. Live WITH rather tha without. No brainer for ones facing extinction in the wild so why wait til they allare?
Irregardless of basic survival of a species lies the facts of the tragedy- laws were already in place, parents took no responsibility even though if it were another 'avenue' they would have been held accountable, as were the owners of the tiger. We don't need new laws, we need common sense, accountability and enforcement of reasonable laws.
You have given yourself an answer! We should be doing more to insure that our big cats are given back their Habitat !" so they will survive"! Not breeding Hybrids to take their place!!
No, unless you intend to stop human procreating? Abolish the human race? I'd much rather learn to live WITH than WITHOUT and when you find the magical way to control all humans (which is what you seem to want to do even on small scale)then we can give the big cats back 'their habitat'? Makes no sense
"It is wrong to breed Liger and Tigons! This is not good for the preservation of our wild Big Cats."
I know. Imagine if a liger escaped, swam over to Africa (or Asia if the Tiger half has it's way) then bred with a wild animal. It would be a REAL disaster.....well....could happen
It's wrong to breed a tiger and lion? I object to that! You must also think it's wrong for a black person to be with a white person and you must also think it's wrong for there to be so many different breeds and varieties of cats and dogs. You should embrace diversity, not hide from it because it's unnatural in your perception of reality. You should be more open minded and tolerant of the views, opinions, aspirations, and objectives of other people like liger owners and breeders.
All I have to say to you is "the natural way is better" There are more choices than bulldozers, poachers and living with a human, they need the earth, not a house with air conditioning. They need the open wide space of their natural habitat to run in, not a chain link fence that will hold them back from life! Hunting is neccessary and a great source of enrichment for predators, we should never have crossed there boundary and for your info (not enough space)
I don't think you realize that if you apply what you said to animals in general then every cat and dog should be turned loose to enjoy the wild too. Let's remember that they were (and some still are) wild animals before people came in to domesticate them in much the same way monks in Asia domesticate tigers. If big cats shouldn't be able to enjoy air conditioning, a clean home, and a consistent food supply, then no one else should be able to lest we discriminate against sentient creatures.
They are domesticated, so there for they aren't used the wild, they wouldn't survive without us, unless the dogs made a pack much the same as wolves, and the cats live in clowders or a life in solitude. We have bred them so that some conditions aren't suitable, that was our other, out of millions, fault, that cannot be corrected unless the extinction of the domesticated cat/dog. The tigers would be better off in their wild habitat, but what you fail to realize is that animals don't know better.
60 to 100 million stray domestic cats and 15 to 30 million stray domestic dogs (ranges because organizations have unique estimates) beg to differ with you and so would the 'spay and neuter your pet' crowd. These 'domesticated' animals survive without us every day regardless of what we try to breed in or out of them. Animals don't know better, yes, but they know enough that they need certain things to survive. They're better living where they get all needed care, domestics and exotics too.
Why am I still trying to convince you that wild animals such as tigers shouldn't be kept as pets? Obviously your never going to agree, so I rest my case even though you disagree with me. I really don't care what you think about the matter anyway so lets end it before I come to dispise you.
The Haley's Act will not stop private ownership. But it will stop people from exploiting wild animals. It will stop people from mass producing baby animals to be used in their "educational" photo booths. It will stop people from starving animals so that they remain under 40lbs to be used in the same "educational" photo booths. It will put an end to the number of roadside zoos in this country. I agree with Haley's Act.
and where are these strays? They certainly aren't in the forests. They are in cities and towns...take away the people, bye bye doggies. Cats, they have a chance...but certainly not dogs
what does this law have to do w. ligers? If you mean that some of the places which breed unnatural hybrids might lose money becuase ppl can no longer take thei pics w. dangerus animals, then i guess i c ur point.
if it wasnt for unnatural breeding, the liger would never exist. Ligers do not exist in the wild, and even if they did, they could not survive because of their immense size. Therefore, if this law passes, not only will ligers no longer be bred, but all Ligers in captivity will most likely either be transfered to a zoo, or be released into the wild, left to die...
no i think u misunderstand what the law is about. The Haley's act will prohibit direct contact between humans and big cats. That means that ppl would not be allowed to touch or take their pictures with the animals. If the law is passed you can still breed ligers, ppl just wont be able to touch or take their pictures with one dont worry they are not going to release them into the wild.
ah ic thank you for clearing that up...at first i thought it was strange, but ive seen crazier laws passed...i still think this potential law is bullshit...a few years back i recieved a few kittens from a guy my mum knew from work or something...he had a cougar as a pet, and appearently it was just like a huge house cat.
To be more exact, the current laws prohibits contact with big cat cubs/babies after they reach 40 lbs or four months of age. After that age/weight bariers are required. Haley's Act bans public contact no matter the age or weight.
thats a cool story, i personally dont agree with keeping big cats as pets but i do know there are good owners out there that love their animals very much
Ligers are incredible cats, even if they do not exist in the wild. Any law introduced to ban their breeding is a major disfavor to mankind. (I have worked with a liger.) Every liger I know of is already in a zoo or sanctuary. No one is going to release a liger into the wild. That is stupidity, and ligers are quite valuable.
The simple truth is that humans have the right to own animals. There is no better system for their care than to trust individual owners to pamper them and care for them. The human way is better than nature's way.
No, you're so wrong on so many levels. Since when is it okay for us to take their land, force them to mate & have the right to breed them for our benefit, feed them out of metal bowls when they could be out hunting a gnu (tiger) & rearing their own young? Tell me how this is okay, because I'm over here wondering what in the hell your saying about them being pampered & that nature's way isn't better! You need a serious reality check if you think that...
You have a serious problem if you think that it is necessary to force tigers to breed in captivity. As for the rest, it is true that humanity's presence causes some problems. Fortunately there are also humans who will give their entire lives to keeping animals healthy and happy as pets.
Passing haley's law is VITAL...the abuses that occur are not forgiveable nor are the many bad incidents involving exotics and humans. Not good for either. educate yourselves please!!
Did it ever occur to you that human rights trump a small safety problem? The claim about the many accidents and deaths is simply untrue, a deliberate lie. I'm surprised that anyone ever goes for it. The truth is that horses are just about as dangerous.
Haley's law is a knee-jerk reaction to one incident, spurred on by gerieving people who were taken advantage of by animal rights people. Many big cat people have needlessly suffered already because of the Kansas version of this law. The simple truth is that fatal incidents with big cats is very uncommon, given the number of these animals in the US. All Haley's act does little to protect the public and a lot to interfere with the day-to-day operation of a big cat facility.
This "knee-jerk" is deliberate and unethical exploitation of a human death. You know that IFAW had to profit from it and everyone else who used the Haley Hilderbrand incident to promote their wares.
Since when do terrorists make our laws? Where is the FBI? Homeland Security? These legisltors are bought and paid for by Humane Society of the United States which STOLE $34 million from decent Americans that gave to have the Katrina pets rescued. How many were rescued? 1 percent? WOW we sure got our monies worth on that eh Wayno? Instead you use our donations to get laws passed so we can't have pets. Perhaps the IRS will look into your "investments" and phoney animal companies... what a racket!
First we should outlaw all dogs, who kill lots more people than big cats. Then lets ban swimming in the ocean... all those jellies and sharks, who needs to swim out there anyway? Shall we add cars, alcohol, cigarretes? How about rodents as pets? They carry lots of diseases, after all. Hell, lets just ban sex, that kills a lot of people too. Then when we're all nice and 'safe', we can live out our lives till the cancer comes, then we find out our health insurance won't cover chemo.
well yea, thats because the Number of cars in the US is greater than the Number of Big Cats in the US, so obviously there is going to be a greater number of death involving cars.
no you need not continue because last time i checked trucks and vans and motorcycles were not a living creature that is critically endangerd and God forbid you ban cows horses and pigs the meat eaters in your gruop would throw a hissy fit : )
I am a lacto-ova vegetarian (eggs from my 1 chicken whenever she feels like laying them, and milk from my Uncle's 10 cow dairy). There was a guy killed in WI today by a cow, so they really need to be outlawed (OK, it fell off a meat hook and landed on the guy). As far as endangered animals, especially cats and bears, that is precisely why we need private keepers, to keep the genetics from going in a straight line like many livestock animals.
conservation isnt about just more tigers in the wild period its about more tigers in their natural habitat. I have hseen many rexano supporters come on youtube and tell people who are fighting to protect natural habitat that conservation is a waste of time. Sorry people keeping tigers in their backyards and charging the public to come and pet them despite the risks to both the tiger and the public truly do nothing for tigers in the wild.
How can you save them in their natural habitat if the habitat is disappearing due to human population boom in India,what do you suggest,start killing humans in India?And how are the scamstuaries helping captive conservation by castrating their exotic cats and pushing for exotic animal bans on others? The same scamstuaries that charge public to see their fake rescues they bred and bought.I guess you rather see tigers extinct in the wild than saved in captivity.BAN STUPIDITY PLEASE!
I am all for conservation, so, when you figure out a viable way to stop the poachers and the encroachers, please enlighten us all. Also, most don't allow public contact with their animals, so you need to think before you generalize and say all keep them just to charge for petting them. I have rather large Monitor lizards, and after 3 ft in length, they are only displayed, and I am the only one with direct contact. I have never charged for petting or to have pictures taken with them.
The natural habitat is running out you stupid fucktard !!
Dream the fuck on. Its going to be global pavement. And no way you are going to stop that. Wake the fuck up.
You aren't for actually saving the animals, you are for maintianing the pretense that you care more than we do. And you have a goddamned obsession with money-making. Its why you go buy patchouli at your stinking hippie stores. Its something YOU WANT and something they WANT TO PROVIDE FOR MONEY.
common sense is what is missing in governments around the world , banning exotics and restricting contact through unintelegent laws which will we know be broken by people, is not the solution to the problems . Education and intelegent laws focusing on enrichment of these cats lives and recognition that they bring joy to those who are knowlegable in their care are what is needed .RoseGinther BC Canada .
Don't mind these, Z. Back you up completely! This is the only channel/site that I can really get an insight what it is like to own such pets. I love it! Hoping to have something like you guys! Never touched an exotic cat at all, would be amazing!
Please don't stop posting vids! I check Rexano.org regularly. More vids on your caging/enrichment would be great! ;)
Thanks again,
Gaz
Gaz10t 7 months ago
One of my life goals is a hold a bay cub in my arms, so no. I REALLY don't support this.
MarioGoesSuper 1 year ago
wait the tiger killed a girl names haley. So now every animal that BigCatHaven and Rexanoexotics had is being taken away? THATS SO SAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
danil15 1 year ago
I can guess how Haley died his back was to the tiger and that means ambush the prey which is instinct and what kills most exotic animal pet owners so I believe putting them in a zoo or rehab to put them back in the wild is better. Yes most people say but these are wild animals not some cute little chihuahua that stays small. The most reasons people get these animals is because they where cute when they were small but that changes. Like with all wild animals they grow up and become dangerous.
DivaMomochi 1 year ago
@DivaMomochi Why do you assume the USDA licensed exotic pet owners are all morons and don't understand the instincts of their animals? Do you have any idea how difficult it is in some states to pass the reqs to be able to own one? There are currently 10,000 tigers captive bred tigers in private homes in the US- more than in the wild. Do you think there are enough zoos to hold all these animals? And releasing a captive born animal into the wild is a death sentence: they CAN NOT hunt/ are poached.
XXXaltiel 4 months ago
@XXXaltiel Dude really this was like 1 year ago. And I didn't even say that there were morons just hypothesized on how the man died. Anyway he may have been a good owner and just forgot one little thing and all of a sudden dead. I know there isn't enough zoos or centers to hold them. And I said rehab then release now just throw them out in the wild I was just stating my opinion like you have clearly stated your own. Doesn't bother me what you think. I'll just go on with my life now.
DivaMomochi 4 months ago
zoo only can adopt animals cant serbrive on jungle BUT PLEASE loosen those who need liverdade
SakuraTheNekowolf 2 years ago
humanity should be shot for the destruction it has wreaked, in less than 100 years we have destroyed something that should of lasted forever.
angie4josh 3 years ago
When people get the urge to hang out with an exotic animal there are three ways:
1) Shoot it and put it on the wall. (BAD)
2) Adopt one and then not be able to afford or handle it.
3) Satisfy their curiosity for $20 at a "roadside zoo".
And once they do that, they are going to be tiger, puma, whatever boosters forever.
"Roadside zoos" are the worst thing you can mention. And actually they are the best solution to human curiosity. You just don't like the idea of people making money
wsmith68 3 years ago
I have also read comments right here on youtube from REXANo supporters that they believe in tiger farming. How is that helping conservation efforts.
allysia02 3 years ago
Those truly interested in getting educated instead of listening to stupid trolls propagandas who keep spamming our videos, the topic of tiger farming, as written by India Liberty Institute, go to REXANO org website and click on conservation button. Alligator and buffalo farming saved American alligator and buffalo; captive supply eliminated the demand of wild killed product. Simple economics, something the animal rights trolls wouldn't have a clue about
REXANOEXOTICS 3 years ago
@REXANOEXOTICS
educated about what exactly? The fact that white Tigers are severely inbred? The fact that the white tiger is riddled with so many genetic disorders that it is sickening?
cdsplaya 1 year ago
Farming creates large populations of the farmed animals. That is how it helps conservation efforts.
thomaskirby169 3 years ago
Hmm, since there is no tiger farming in the U.S., why do you bring up something that has nothing to do with private ownership in the U.S. or the video above. The Chinese and Indian governments are the ones debating tiger farming, go argue with them. Besides, how would tiger farming hurt conservation efforts?
Keep trying to preserve them in the wild, but what does that have to do with private ownership? Would you rather keep them in the front yard or maybe the side yard?
targetoic 3 years ago
allysia02, if I can say this without hurting your feelings, you are the kind of real bitch with isssues who bully fellow students. Well, honey this isn't high school anymore. You are no longer the teacher's pet.
Take your hippie socialist totalitarian bullshiit and shove it right up your tight ass.
REXANO, whoever you are, keep up the good work. Its time we stood up to these people.
Loudly stand up. No more politically correct nonsense. Thanks. Favorited and subscribed.
wsmith68 3 years ago
Only a few people don't know that the cougar, or mountain lion or puma is unique to the Americas. They aren't in Europe or Asia or Africa.
This magnificent animal, revered by Native Americans is as much a symbol of America as is the Eagle. And it is as threatened, but not protected.
BigCatRescue's owner stands to profit handsomely from the Haley's act. She portrays herself as a friend of animals and a conservationist, but the reality is very ugly.
Don't let the cougar go extinct !!
wsmith68 3 years ago
You are so right about Haley's Act being a "feel good" bill that does nothing to protect anyone and actually is detrimental to animals.
Most of us who watch these clips are friends of animals. It is a few hysterical loonies-- the type of nut case just functional enough not to be locked up--who support this.
If you have ever been cornered in public by someone you barely know while they rant about some esoteric "injustice" you know who I am talking about. Folks with some serious "issues".
wsmith68 3 years ago
I find it interesting that people refer to Haley as a "child". She was well aware of what she was doing. So, why should people like my friends that keep exotic cats be punished because of the actions of one person, who freely went in a cage with a tiger. Why do some people seem to think that we need the government to tell us how to live our lives. PeteWentzLover1011 appears to be one of those that wants the government out of their lives, but wants it in everyone else's.
kcarlady 3 years ago
Well, I do guess that if you're responsible, you should be allowed to care for your own tiger, but like I said, too many exotic pet owners get cute little tiger cubs and then when they grow up dump them at sanctuaries because they can't handle them, or keep them in filthy cages that are just sickening. That gives exoctic pet owners a bad name. I'm sure some tiger owners take extremely good care of their pets, and love them, but it's the few bad ones that make them all look bad.
PeteWentzLover1011 3 years ago
Pete, we have no way to know how many are bad and how many are good. I would save the entire trade for the sake of the few good ones, and why? Because when it's good it's very very good. Most of what you hear against it are lies and exaggerations. The animal rights activists beat up on everything they can every chance they can get and they punish responsible, good owners first.
thomaskirby169 3 years ago
Many sanctuaries are really SCAMstuaries, they breed cubs themselves or buy them from fellow SCUMstuary. Then they tell the gullible public the fake abuse story, the sad stories bring $ for their personal pets collection public is now supporting.This is fraud against public and responsible honest exotic owners.Once in a while they bring in high profile publicized cases, which brings media exposure and money and make it appear this fraud is a real sanctuary.See our Sex,lies and YT video
REXANOEXOTICS 3 years ago
Tigers and lions, leopards and jaguars breed readily--how is this cruel? Enclosures are inspected annually--concrete enclosures are a thing of the past--even zoos are catching on to that--there are SO few photo ops with cubs--how do they end up in sanctuaries?--they do not, that is false propaganda--the occurence is so ?minute? as to be ridiculous to keep harping on it! These animals thrive in KNOWLEDGABLE, RESPONSIBLE hands!
scorpionsgottasting 3 years ago
UGH. If you want to interact with big cats that badly, go to college and become a zoologist! Like I said, public big cat petting is horrible and once the cubs are grown they're discarded, sometimes even killed! They're kept in cruel conditions. Only educated zoologists should interact with big cats!
PeteWentzLover1011 3 years ago
I'm all for the Haley Act. There is no reason people need to touch tiger cubs. Those tiger cubs are just discarded when they're too old to be handled. It's a horrible industry. Read up, my friend.
PeteWentzLover1011 3 years ago
White tigers and liger should never ever be breeded, by the way. It's a cruel and horrible practice. Enclosures should be inspected annually to ensure safety for people and the cats. Concrete should be a big no-no. But the sad thing is most exotic cat owners buy tiger cubs as cute babies and when they grow up, they realize they have this big wild tiger on their hands and try to get rid of them to sancturaries like shy wolf and BCR.
PeteWentzLover1011 3 years ago
I have a mkixed opinion about exotic cats as pets. Personally, I don't think that any cats of the panthera sub family should be allowed to be kept as pets (tigers, lions, leopards, etc), but servals and caracals are slightly different. You should sign an agreement saying that you will care for nthe cats until the day the leave this earth, and not decide you don't want them when theyre no longer cute babies. You should have to have a license and an inspected enclosure.
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PeteWentzLover1011 3 years ago
Actually big cats like lions/tigers have more dog like personalities than smaller cats. Do not listen to SCAMstuaries, they have no clue about training, all they do is keep animals imprisoned in cages with no hands on love and enrichment these captive bred creatures love.Anybody can be a SCAMstuary, no training necessary,all you do is get public's money telling fake abuse stories, throw meat in the cage, get some for yourself to get fat and bad mouth good private owners they are jealous of.
REXANOEXOTICS 3 years ago
EXACTLY !! I think of BigCatRescue as the pinnacle of this hypocrisy. A SCAMstuary.
Check out a bio of the owner of BigCatRescue.
She married a rich guy. They had lots of exotics and bred them. Then he mysteriously disappeared and she inherited lots of money.
No one could ever prove anything.
BigCatRescue will profit handsomely if Haley's Bill, of which she is the most vocal proponent. All kinds of banned animals will go there. She will seek government subsidies.
MONEY SCAM.
wsmith68 3 years ago
ATTENTION EVERY YOUTUBER WATCHING THIS VID:
I believe people should be aloud to keep wild cats, but only if they can care for them and have a license!
LOPONUMER 3 years ago
You seem experienced with exotic cats, I wonder, won't they play with and bite their owners sometimes?
Our domestic cats can be very unpredictable.
xcoffeinex 3 years ago
Just like with any big dog, you teach big cats manners when they are still young: no jumping on you, no biting. People are NOT toys, we are there to hug them but they can not use us as a toy.
REXANOEXOTICS 3 years ago
do you think having big cat will be more comforting than having a domestic cat? i don't think so.
richmarv10 3 years ago
You are entitled to your personal opinion, keep your doemstic kitties but do NOT dictate to the rest of the world what pet is best for them. Who made you god?
REXANOEXOTICS 3 years ago
an opinion is not to persuade anyone.
richmarv10 3 years ago
we don't have big cats here in the philippines but i would rather see them and be educated by watching the discovery channel and the national geographic channel. the main problem is people are fond of abusing. people abuse other people, how much more to an animal who can't speak their thoughts. ARE YOU STILL GOING TO WAIT FOR A 12 WEEK OLD TIGER TO DO SOMETHING TRAGIC BEFORE REALIZING?! it may be a rare incident but it could happen.
richmarv10 3 years ago
If you are so worried about accidents and incidents, you shouldn't live in Philippines. It is more dangerous with all the volcanoes to live where you live than have pet exotic cat.
REXANOEXOTICS 3 years ago
the issue here is about the act not where someone lives. we don't have the same line of thinking so don't expect that everyone will agree with your videos.
richmarv10 3 years ago
I was putting the life and real danger in perspective for you and you threw an emotional hissy fit. Captive exotic cats kill on average 1 person per year in the USA, majority are owners/traners, aka, voluntarily accepred occupational/hobby hazard. NoT any different that firefighter dying in fire or skydiver dying in plane crash or parachute malfunction; should we ban these hobbies and jobs as well?
REXANOEXOTICS 3 years ago
they are supposed to be in the wild. why settle for the big cats if we have domestic cats? people love their exotic pets but most of them just want to show them off. they allow posing with the cubs to make money then they will give reasons like "so that we can have the means to feed and take care of them" and why breed some more if you are already having problems on how to feed and care for them.
richmarv10 3 years ago
Wild is a dangerous place for tigers, they are being poached to extinction. As for your comment that most exotic owners just want to show them off, is that you personal opinion or some slogan you read somewhere, or do you have actual data to back up your claims as facts? US has no problem with cats, US has problem with scamstuaries who buy/breed exotic cat pets and lie to public that these cats were rescued to get donations for the personal pet collection.
REXANOEXOTICS 3 years ago
about those owners trying to show them off i have seen alot of them in tv, people who ran for senate, those who are rich (like they can afford these kind of pets) and even a cult using 3 cougars to show how people can dominate the world. and i am not trying to persuade anyone, these are my opinions.
richmarv10 3 years ago
So everything you see on TV is total truth? TV is never biased or sensationalized? How many private pet owners of big cats do you actually know so you can base your opinions based on facts and not propaganda and biased reporting?
REXANOEXOTICS 3 years ago
TV may not be biased but I saw them in the news so it is true, even on broadsheets. it is not propaganda, it is real that's why i am strongly not in favor of the haley's act. if you think this is an emotional hissyfit, why fuss about it?
richmarv10 3 years ago
YOU ARE ENTITLED WITH YOUR OPINION AS TO MINE. and please don't keep on changing the topic. you said that "Captive exotic cats kill on average 1 person per year in the USA, majority are owners/traners, aka, voluntarily accepred occupational/hobby hazard. NoT any different that firefighter dying in fire or skydiver dying in plane crash or parachute malfunction" is it the same with big cat killings?
richmarv10 3 years ago
i should say, I AM STRONGLY IN FAVOR OF THE HALEY'S ACT. sorry for that...
richmarv10 3 years ago
Here we go again and no need to reply to me personally S&LQueen--the animal rights movement is fueled by power and greed--it seems to me that you are one of their puppets and they pull your strings--why not have guts and pursue what you really want--a big cat of your own--the time will come when AR will cut your strings and dispose of you like yesterday's news when you are not needed anymore.
scorpionsgottasting 3 years ago
So, there are uneducated fools who think the "wild" animals should be left in the "wild"--disease, famine and poaching, not to mention loss of habitat--why don't you allow yourself these same living conditions and let the pampered, well-adjusted exotic animals in responsible hands have their peace. And while you are at it, throw in some roundtrip tickets for everyone to go see these "wild" animals in their natural habitat.
scorpionsgottasting 3 years ago
Disease is natural and poaching could be stoped if we stopped buying animal skins/products.
To stop the loss of habitat we need to reserve and preserve natural areas for the animals.
But keeping a full-grown tiger in a small house, that will never replace his freedom, home range, mates or life. ALL animals were meant to be in the wild and it has taken thousands and tousands of years to demesticate
a small cat- we can't demesticate a full-grown/baby animal species in one year!
SnowLeopardQueen 3 years ago
Who mentioned keeping tiger in small house? You need to do your homework before replying with nonsensical BS. Many private owners have spacious enclosures, some even involve cats going in and out of home, whatever. You are living in a dream world if you think we can stop habitat destruction and poaching. What about Egyptians employing baboons, not against their will, btw, and having big cats as pets?
scorpionsgottasting 3 years ago
Go visit a small facility that responsibly keeps big cats. You might be amazed at how many things that you and many others do not know about husbandry of these animals. Although all animals should have ample space, I know of at least two cats-- a lion and a tiger-- that prefer small spaces over a large enclosure. And this tiger is just as physically fit as one who has several acres to themselves. What is the big difference here? Almost constant human attention in an atmosphere of love and care.
timbalionguy 3 years ago
Haleys act should be passed- will we miss out on ANYTHING?! NO! By holding a baby big cat/exotic animal is putting your self and the animal at danger! If the animal hurts the person holding it, the animal is shot dead right on the spot for acting instinct. People are just against HR 1947 because they'll lose
money. But no life should have a price...
NO WILD ANIMAL CAN BE TAMMED! It took thousands and thousands of years to domesticate a small cat you can't just take away a WILD ANIMALS freedom!
SnowLeopardQueen 3 years ago
Please forgive me for being blunt, but this is poppycock. Better domestication than extinction because the natural environment is gone. Better exhibition than non-existence. Better LIFE than DEATH. What have you done today, SnowLeopardQueen, to increase the wild habitat of the world? HR1947 will only lead to death. It's not worth it.
SacramentoMom 3 years ago
Hmm, I don't recall any 4 month or younger cat cub being shot for scratching anyone. No one has been killed by a 4 month or younger exotic cat, so your safety arguement is just plain wrong. You'd better give an example instead of emotional BS.
No wild animal can be tammed??? I guess wild horses aren't ever tammed. What do you propose next? Banning the handling of puppies?
targetoic 3 years ago
There are few things more special in the world than holding a bay big cat. It teaches the human respect for these animals and it teaches the cat to love and trust people. Baby big cats are not harming people who hold them, and above all, are not getting shot if they scratch the person. As far as taming goes, we have tamed nearly all species of animal to the point where they are not only reasonably safe to work with, but capable of building a deep and meaningful relationship with their keepers.
timbalionguy 3 years ago
High moral ground? If your way were so high you would take yourself out of the quotient and leave all the so called 'wild' to the animals. Many choose to learn to actually live with side by side. Glad I don't have your 'morals'and unrealistic view.
unkker 4 years ago
Haha, everyone that posts a comment here that is in favor of keeping big cats as pets has to some how justify themselves. i think no matter what they say, they know somewhere deep down, that keeping wild animals is wrong! enough said. And please people, dont reply to this comment, because im not interested!
Edvenuz 4 years ago 6
what? Are you on something? You make a post accusing people and then you say people shouldn't reply? What made you think the people you speak of would be interested in your post anyway? Duuh.
Draven84 4 years ago 2
on something??? yeah, moral high ground!
Edvenuz 4 years ago
You're here responding to replies that you're not interested in and you think keeping wild animals is wrong. You have a lot to learn about the moral high ground. If you don't want to own wild animals then don't own them or any animals at all. Domestic animals originated from wild animals. You should be tolerant, diverse, unbiased, and open minded to viewpoints other than your own and not object to responsible people owning wild animals. Not to do so would be bigoted and closed minded.
dragonmyr 3 years ago
Fair point, but i can be as biases as i want, afer all, they are only my opinions, and not fact. But please dont think im closed minded, just because i have decided i personally think one side of an argument is right, doesnt mean i havnt listened to the other side! Domesticated animals have undergone artificial selection and are no longer wild, they would not be able to survive in the wild, as most of their instincts have genetically deteriorated.
Edvenuz 3 years ago
There are a lot of formerly domestic feral cats running around where I live. I don't think any animal loses its instincts. Instead, I would argue that they chose not to use those instincts.
I see your point of view. However, I don't see why people who want to own exotics and those who want to let them in the wild cannot get along and coexist. Let responsible owners have exotics, and if you don't want exotics then don't own them. I don't see why each responsible person can't do their own thing.
dragonmyr 3 years ago 2
It appears many people have a profound misunderstanding of animal psychology. Just because a creature is "designed" to kill does not mean it will. Big cats love human attention just as much as domestic cats. All cats are incredibly intelligent. There will be problems, of course, but by far fewer problems than there is with humans, and dogs. Nice video, I hope it does some good. Sadly, I saw this too long after it was posted.
drunkasssteve 4 years ago
Speaking only for myself, I do believe that it would be in the best interest for the human and the big cat if people were not allowed to touch them, and just to comment on this video, and what is being said is a matter of opinion, but I have a real problem when you say that only 1 person is killed yearly by a big cat, you make it sound like this is ok, but one person in ten years would be to many as I see it. M.W.P
trevval 4 years ago 2
I see your point of view, but I do think you should take into consideration that all cats, big and small, display affection by rubbing their cheeks and the sides of their bodies up against someone they trust and/or love. Also, 1 person is killed yearly by big cats is true, but don't forget that 32 die yearly of domestic dog attacks, 39 of beatings, 373 of alcohol, 742 of aircraft, and 44,757 in auto accidents. Big cats are a nonexistent problem when compared to all those other deadly things.
dragonmyr 3 years ago
It isn't true that exotic animals belong 'only in the wild'. They THRIVE in private ownership with MUCH longer lifespans. If people could actually SEE exotics in responsible private environments I believe many would change their minds. They are happy, well cared for and healthy.
suzybluec 4 years ago
Reality is humans are encroaching more & more on these animals "wild" habitats, & aren't going to stop. If people support AR groups in believing animals should remain in their wild habitats, they WILL become extinct. Their chance of survival is by being bred in captivity, & raised by zoos or private owners. Would you rather see them extict or living, well cared for in captivity? If the USDA inspected and enforced rules, Haley's Act would'nt be needed bc laws in place now.
xeileen916x 4 years ago
Bottom line is simple People should be responsible for their actions. Look what you are losing in long term freedoms by asking the government to regulate everything high risk. If you want a new USSR, vote for a new law, if you want to stay USA, do not be afraid to say, oh, my fault sorry how can I fix it.... too many people say that hurt so now you have to pay me...
drillerdominique 4 years ago
You may be a responsible owner.The fact is that many are not.I'm sure your aware of the masses who use them for their own gain.For many, an animal is simply a business.Tiger cubs are continuously bred for photo ops & once they are too old they are slaughtered & the next litter is up for exploitation.Exotic's are not meant to be kept in cages nor used as photo props or to touch &feel.Haley's Act would not only protect humans from themselves but would save many animals the cruel fate of captivity
BigCatFriend 4 years ago 5
It's ok if an animal is a business. That means that having the animal pays for itself. It certainly does with the sanctuaries that take in a lot of money to care for "rescue" animals.
thomaskirby169 4 years ago
The responsible animal owner using their animals for business purposes threat their animals with care. Poorly cared for animals do not ensure continued business! No one seems to be able to produce evidence about the 'massive slaughter of tiger cubs'. Touching is an important part of feline communication. Why should something important to them be legislated out of existence?
timbalionguy 4 years ago
"Tiger cubs are continuously bred for photo ops & once they are too old they are slaughtered" -- That's already against existing cruelty laws. We don't need new laws. We need the existing cruelty laws enforced. Every tiger and tiger cub I've met has come from a private sanctuary or an exhibitionist whose cats live in larger cages than their own houses. Not a single big cat on the east coast was slaughtered as you describe except for unfit breeders at "Wildlife on Easy Street".
dragonmyr 3 years ago
Why not? Isn't their life/death sensationalized or important enough to name a bill after them? I found this comment rude and callous in light of the situation, and when things such as bicycles or toys injure or harm kids there is usually always a recall and something is done to prevent things like this from happening again the same should go for tigers.
bengali4tigers 4 years ago 3
Now you are comparing animals to objects. Huh, If a human kills another per haps we should recall all humans too.
bigcatlover01 3 years ago
A fine video, well argued and beautifully illustrated.
Does this misconceived bill still have a chance of passage?
PismoBeach 4 years ago
These animals should not be allowed into this country. Breeding in captivity should be banned as well. The animals belong in the wild and there is no "wild" in the USA for them. They live here in a useles existance, caged up.
KevinFL 4 years ago
Not be allowed into this country? Exotics have been bred and born in this country for generations and at the rate they are disappearing in the wild may someday be the ONLY animals of their kind found anywhere. For a captive born animal, captivity IS their 'natural' environment! They have no concept of 'the wild' and, properly cared for, are quite content to be fed and cared for by their human caregivers.
exoticark 4 years ago
The U.S. is one of the best places in the world for keeping a variety of animals.
thomaskirby169 4 years ago
You're kidding, right? Have you been keeping up with breeding populations in "the wild" and habitat destruction by desperate humans? Are you one of these "neo Darwinists" that think that only the "fittest species survive" thus tigers deserve to be extinct?
If so, shame on you!
blkcatqueen 4 years ago 3
These cats deserve respect. A tiger starts out as a small cub that grows up and hunts large game in the forest, alone. Take it in, feed it, play with it. It won't stop being what it is.
We should protect Tiger habitat, stop the illegal poaching, and ensure a future for these creatures to live like they should. They deserve it.
DreamerM 4 years ago 7
I don't know of any responsible exotic animal owners that would disagree with you. I, personally, and many others support the conservation and reclamation of wild habitat and all of the creatures that live there. The sad fact remains that there is an overpopulation of human beings and the places where tigers and lions live in the wild are under severe pressure by very poor humans trying to eke out their survival in direct competition for this habitat.
blkcatqueen 4 years ago 2
DreamerM, I agree with you. However, I don't see any harm to having tigers and other big cats as pets. Nearly every responsible owner will tell you that the tiger owns them rather than they own the tiger. You can be respectful to a tiger and still own it as a pet.
dragonmyr 3 years ago
yeah until they bite ur neck whilst playing with them dumbass
mysteryRR 3 years ago
By desiring to be around or own a pet exotic cat, I assume the risk of injury or death. To me it's just like assuming the risk of injury or death when getting in a car, base jumping, or camping in a national forest. I take responsibility for my actions and am not sitting around waiting for any excuse at all to go sue something because it hurt me. If I want to do something dangerous, then that's what I'm going to do be it hanging out with tigers, smoking, driving fast, or something else.
dragonmyr 3 years ago
yeah until they bite ur neck whilst playing with them dumbass
mysteryRR 3 years ago
Useless existence? The fact that these animals, when properly raised love people and bond deeply with them? Relationships are the most important part of the existence of any higher animal, including man. The cats would disagree with you. The proof of this is that with good care, the cats breed very successfully in captivity.
timbalionguy 4 years ago
Imagine you are an exotic animal. Now pick one of the following:
1. Bulldozers
2. Poachers
3. Loving humans to interact with at their home and a steady food supply
The wild is quickly being wiped out, paved over, and chopped down. What's left is constantly under attack by poachers, who are even more of a problem now that they've successfully gone underground to avoid bans. Pick one of the above options and do it quickly. Animals like tigers and cougars are disappearing at extreme rates.
dragonmyr 3 years ago
How about we imprison the illegal immigrants in U.S. and take them there for good so they can get stoned and have sex, everyone's happy then, then we should stop trying to make every country like the U.S. because we have our heads up our asses anyway! Then we need to wipe out half the population and blame it on the iraq War. hen let life grow back and all of the animals are restored. Your not convincing anyone anything, I'm sticking to what I say so might as well not even reply, have a nice day.
Tigerclaws107 3 years ago
I'm not the one trying to remove the rights of other people. It makes sense if you consider the biggest threat to 'habitat'....human population. How is it preferable to keep all animals in the 'wild' and watch it gradually cause species to become extinct? Learning to live WITH is much more preferable to me and many. Many 'captive' animals are very well cared for in every aspect of animal husbandry.
AmyinOH 4 years ago
Any law that prohibits touching an owned animal is in fact going against the constitutionally guaranteed right to handle one's own property as one sees fit. By prohibiting physical contact with exotic pets from an early age, Haley's Act guarantees these animals will *not* develop much friendliness towards humans - a safety factor in handling them throughout their lifetime. Just what the Animal Rights Industry wants!
SacramentoMom 4 years ago
The Constitution guarantees freedom of association.
thomaskirby169 4 years ago
Ligers justify their own existence. Most love human companionship. I worked with a liger for five years. This cat 'chose' me to be his friend. This cat and I were bonded up to the moment he died of old age. Don't make claims like you are making unless you have spent time with ligers!
The natural environment is nearly gone. It is likely some big cats will soon be extinct in the wild. Captive breeding of big cats is a necessity if we want to save these beautiful creatures.
timbalionguy 4 years ago
If you love big cats so much you'd be against keeping them as pets & handling them. You'd say that we should leave them in the wild where they belong! To tell the truth I don't care about humans, it would be best if we never came here & if we did stay like the Natives & live in coexistance w/ nature, not using it for its resources! There are 6.2 billion people on Earth, I say it should be more like 5 million. Also, we need to dispose of illegal immigrants from our country... Rachel
Tigerclaws107 4 years ago
Rachael, its too bad you haven't been around big cats. They easily adapt to their environment, and well cared for are as happy captive as they are wild. They live longer lives, and face less dangers living with humans. Above all, they can use their built-in ability to bond with and love those people they share their lives with. You make no secret about the fact you don't like people. Neither do most animal rights people. They hate animal owners because animal owners know how to love.
timbalionguy 4 years ago
"are as happy captive as they are wild" that is simply not true. No matter how well cared for a slave it, it's still a slave.
wageofsins 4 years ago 7
@wageofsins A agree say yes to exotic animal bands
Armandocoolio 6 months ago
I know very well how to love, I just don't choose to stand in the way to the better life in the wild. They actually get to run without being enclosed by a fence in the wild. I don't hate people I just hate what they've done & contributed to. I'm just as loving as any pet owner, but I don't make them so dependent on me as you do. I just hate the wild animal owners that want animals to be dependent on humans. I am just trying to stick up for those household pets with no life.
Tigerclaws107 4 years ago
The term 'slave' is a human term. Animals know nothing about slavery, especially if they are happy and well-adjusted in captivity. And as far as 'running free', big cats (even then cheetah!) sleep for 20 hours a day. Their idea of a 'run' can be fully accomplished in a reasonably sized enclosure. The only way you will see that what I am saying is true is to visit a place that takes good care of their cats and observe. You will be mighty surprised with what you see!
timbalionguy 4 years ago
Tigerclaws107, you need to be more open minded, tolerant, unbiased, and accepting of diversity. If you don't want to own wild animals, then don't. If other people want to own wild animals they should be able to. Most responsible owners of exotics recognize that their pets get bored because they actively read and interpret their body language, unlike your typical domestics owner. Responsible exotic animal owners constantly enrich their pets and give them fulfilling lives to keep them socialized.
dragonmyr 3 years ago
Then why do all of those exotic pets end up in rusted iron bars?! A human will play with the cub, awe its so cute, then when it tears up the couch and breaks someones arm, trying to lay with them, they are more than likely history, and those sanctuaries will never make it good enough for them to live, I say why not patrol animal wildlife borders and kill any poachers/humans that come near them on spot, that's how it should have been in the first place. Why does it matter if one person dies?
Tigerclaws107 3 years ago
clearly u are not human
mysteryRR 3 years ago
Tigerclaws says: "There are 6.2 billion people on Earth, I say it should be more like 5 million." This is obviously a child speaking, but since 'she says' there should be 'more like' 5 million people on this earth I suggest that she devote herself to mandatory "spay/neuter" programs for animal activists who hate humans who love and care for exotics in captivity.
URLion08 4 years ago 2
Haha, whoops, I meant 1 million :] And your right, a child is speaking. I tell you, adults' should speak less, children have better opions. Stop trying to sound superior and drop your info when you don't know me & certainly don't know my beliefs, and what your suggesting sounds quite true, but I don't choose to work with domesticated animals, I want to save wild species from extinction...but 'society' has deprived underage children because of their inability to 'comprehend' the maturity of it...
Tigerclaws107 3 years ago
Ever hear of wild packs of dogs? Feral cat populations? Even feral humans? Better to live WITH than without. Takes personal knowledge and experience, hope you get the chance to since you are young. Understanding, willingness to learn and accept, time, committment. Even human raised dogs tear things up or potty on the floor until theyare taught.
AmyinOH 3 years ago
Yes cute adorable they may be; Natural no!! It is wrong to breed Liger and Tigons! This is not good for the preservation of our wild Big Cats. They belong in their natural habitat!! Pets sorry wrong too!
All cats need to be stopped from breeding outside their Natural habitat. Then one Day maybe they will be where their right is; Free to roam in their own land!!!I understand your love;I love them to that is why I want them to be free!!!
75cliffe 4 years ago 3
Cliffe, all that doesn't really make sense. The most important fault in your statement is in the fact that humans are natural and what we do is natural.
A handful of hybrids will do absolutely no harm to their parent species. Ligers are very much a wonderful addition to the world. Nature experiments a lot.
In fact, when humans benefit from the use of animals, the animals also prosper. They are happy to live with humans and domesticated animals number in the millions.
thomaskirby169 4 years ago
So you are against any interracial 'breeeding' of humans also? If humans are allowed international travel, cohabitation, then how does your animal rights philosophy discard ligers and tigons? Just a thought, would like to know your answer.
Amy
AmyinOH 4 years ago
Had only 500 characters and was trying in my first post to be more 'politically correct'- hope you can get the gist of what I'm saying. Live WITH rather tha without. No brainer for ones facing extinction in the wild so why wait til they allare?
Amy
AmyinOH 4 years ago
Irregardless of basic survival of a species lies the facts of the tragedy- laws were already in place, parents took no responsibility even though if it were another 'avenue' they would have been held accountable, as were the owners of the tiger. We don't need new laws, we need common sense, accountability and enforcement of reasonable laws.
Amy
AmyinOH 4 years ago
You have given yourself an answer! We should be doing more to insure that our big cats are given back their Habitat !" so they will survive"! Not breeding Hybrids to take their place!!
75cliffe 4 years ago 2
No, unless you intend to stop human procreating? Abolish the human race? I'd much rather learn to live WITH than WITHOUT and when you find the magical way to control all humans (which is what you seem to want to do even on small scale)then we can give the big cats back 'their habitat'? Makes no sense
AmyinOH 4 years ago
I am sorry but this reply makes no sense to me!! You have your right to air your views." And so do I"
Best done in a civilized manner don't you think!
75cliffe 4 years ago
"It is wrong to breed Liger and Tigons! This is not good for the preservation of our wild Big Cats."
I know. Imagine if a liger escaped, swam over to Africa (or Asia if the Tiger half has it's way) then bred with a wild animal. It would be a REAL disaster.....well....could happen
Automedon2 4 years ago
It's wrong to breed a tiger and lion? I object to that! You must also think it's wrong for a black person to be with a white person and you must also think it's wrong for there to be so many different breeds and varieties of cats and dogs. You should embrace diversity, not hide from it because it's unnatural in your perception of reality. You should be more open minded and tolerant of the views, opinions, aspirations, and objectives of other people like liger owners and breeders.
dragonmyr 3 years ago
All I have to say to you is "the natural way is better" There are more choices than bulldozers, poachers and living with a human, they need the earth, not a house with air conditioning. They need the open wide space of their natural habitat to run in, not a chain link fence that will hold them back from life! Hunting is neccessary and a great source of enrichment for predators, we should never have crossed there boundary and for your info (not enough space)
Tigerclaws107 3 years ago
I don't think you realize that if you apply what you said to animals in general then every cat and dog should be turned loose to enjoy the wild too. Let's remember that they were (and some still are) wild animals before people came in to domesticate them in much the same way monks in Asia domesticate tigers. If big cats shouldn't be able to enjoy air conditioning, a clean home, and a consistent food supply, then no one else should be able to lest we discriminate against sentient creatures.
dragonmyr 3 years ago
They are domesticated, so there for they aren't used the wild, they wouldn't survive without us, unless the dogs made a pack much the same as wolves, and the cats live in clowders or a life in solitude. We have bred them so that some conditions aren't suitable, that was our other, out of millions, fault, that cannot be corrected unless the extinction of the domesticated cat/dog. The tigers would be better off in their wild habitat, but what you fail to realize is that animals don't know better.
Tigerclaws107 3 years ago
60 to 100 million stray domestic cats and 15 to 30 million stray domestic dogs (ranges because organizations have unique estimates) beg to differ with you and so would the 'spay and neuter your pet' crowd. These 'domesticated' animals survive without us every day regardless of what we try to breed in or out of them. Animals don't know better, yes, but they know enough that they need certain things to survive. They're better living where they get all needed care, domestics and exotics too.
dragonmyr 3 years ago
Why am I still trying to convince you that wild animals such as tigers shouldn't be kept as pets? Obviously your never going to agree, so I rest my case even though you disagree with me. I really don't care what you think about the matter anyway so lets end it before I come to dispise you.
Tigerclaws107 3 years ago
The Haley's Act will not stop private ownership. But it will stop people from exploiting wild animals. It will stop people from mass producing baby animals to be used in their "educational" photo booths. It will stop people from starving animals so that they remain under 40lbs to be used in the same "educational" photo booths. It will put an end to the number of roadside zoos in this country. I agree with Haley's Act.
RachelB417 3 years ago
and where are these strays? They certainly aren't in the forests. They are in cities and towns...take away the people, bye bye doggies. Cats, they have a chance...but certainly not dogs
oceancrooner17 3 years ago
if this law passes, ligers wont exist anymore...anyone who knows what a liger is knows they cant survive in the wild...this law sux ass
FlowerEater5OOO 4 years ago
what does this law have to do w. ligers? If you mean that some of the places which breed unnatural hybrids might lose money becuase ppl can no longer take thei pics w. dangerus animals, then i guess i c ur point.
allysia02 4 years ago
if it wasnt for unnatural breeding, the liger would never exist. Ligers do not exist in the wild, and even if they did, they could not survive because of their immense size. Therefore, if this law passes, not only will ligers no longer be bred, but all Ligers in captivity will most likely either be transfered to a zoo, or be released into the wild, left to die...
FlowerEater5OOO 4 years ago
no i think u misunderstand what the law is about. The Haley's act will prohibit direct contact between humans and big cats. That means that ppl would not be allowed to touch or take their pictures with the animals. If the law is passed you can still breed ligers, ppl just wont be able to touch or take their pictures with one dont worry they are not going to release them into the wild.
allysia02 4 years ago
ah ic thank you for clearing that up...at first i thought it was strange, but ive seen crazier laws passed...i still think this potential law is bullshit...a few years back i recieved a few kittens from a guy my mum knew from work or something...he had a cougar as a pet, and appearently it was just like a huge house cat.
FlowerEater5OOO 4 years ago
To be more exact, the current laws prohibits contact with big cat cubs/babies after they reach 40 lbs or four months of age. After that age/weight bariers are required. Haley's Act bans public contact no matter the age or weight.
REXANOEXOTICS 4 years ago
thats a cool story, i personally dont agree with keeping big cats as pets but i do know there are good owners out there that love their animals very much
allysia02 4 years ago
Such a law does not make sense. Horses kill people about every other day.
thomaskirby169 4 years ago
... you already know my views on the matter so leave it at that.
allysia02 4 years ago 2
As if, Allysia.
thomaskirby169 4 years ago
Ligers are incredible cats, even if they do not exist in the wild. Any law introduced to ban their breeding is a major disfavor to mankind. (I have worked with a liger.) Every liger I know of is already in a zoo or sanctuary. No one is going to release a liger into the wild. That is stupidity, and ligers are quite valuable.
timbalionguy 4 years ago
The simple truth is that humans have the right to own animals. There is no better system for their care than to trust individual owners to pamper them and care for them. The human way is better than nature's way.
thomaskirby169 4 years ago
No, you're so wrong on so many levels. Since when is it okay for us to take their land, force them to mate & have the right to breed them for our benefit, feed them out of metal bowls when they could be out hunting a gnu (tiger) & rearing their own young? Tell me how this is okay, because I'm over here wondering what in the hell your saying about them being pampered & that nature's way isn't better! You need a serious reality check if you think that...
Tigerclaws107 4 years ago
You have a serious problem if you think that it is necessary to force tigers to breed in captivity. As for the rest, it is true that humanity's presence causes some problems. Fortunately there are also humans who will give their entire lives to keeping animals healthy and happy as pets.
thomaskirby169 3 years ago
amen
kcarlady 3 years ago
no kidding
lvmagt 3 years ago
Passing haley's law is VITAL...the abuses that occur are not forgiveable nor are the many bad incidents involving exotics and humans. Not good for either. educate yourselves please!!
floridapotter 4 years ago
Did it ever occur to you that human rights trump a small safety problem? The claim about the many accidents and deaths is simply untrue, a deliberate lie. I'm surprised that anyone ever goes for it. The truth is that horses are just about as dangerous.
thomaskirby169 4 years ago
Haley's law is a knee-jerk reaction to one incident, spurred on by gerieving people who were taken advantage of by animal rights people. Many big cat people have needlessly suffered already because of the Kansas version of this law. The simple truth is that fatal incidents with big cats is very uncommon, given the number of these animals in the US. All Haley's act does little to protect the public and a lot to interfere with the day-to-day operation of a big cat facility.
timbalionguy 4 years ago 3
This "knee-jerk" is deliberate and unethical exploitation of a human death. You know that IFAW had to profit from it and everyone else who used the Haley Hilderbrand incident to promote their wares.
thomaskirby169 4 years ago
Carole.... is that you???? What did I tell you about rocking the boat??? Hope there's no poop in your litterbox!
godessbast 4 years ago
Since when do terrorists make our laws? Where is the FBI? Homeland Security? These legisltors are bought and paid for by Humane Society of the United States which STOLE $34 million from decent Americans that gave to have the Katrina pets rescued. How many were rescued? 1 percent? WOW we sure got our monies worth on that eh Wayno? Instead you use our donations to get laws passed so we can't have pets. Perhaps the IRS will look into your "investments" and phoney animal companies... what a racket!
sprinklemist1 4 years ago 3
First we should outlaw all dogs, who kill lots more people than big cats. Then lets ban swimming in the ocean... all those jellies and sharks, who needs to swim out there anyway? Shall we add cars, alcohol, cigarretes? How about rodents as pets? They carry lots of diseases, after all. Hell, lets just ban sex, that kills a lot of people too. Then when we're all nice and 'safe', we can live out our lives till the cancer comes, then we find out our health insurance won't cover chemo.
DeadlyChinchilla 4 years ago 6
I think I might have met that guy with the lion in the cowboy hat, lol. The guy I met was an animal handler/trainer.
TamanduaGirl 4 years ago 4
I got it, let's outlaw cars. They kill thousands of people every year.
I had the pleasure of playing with a 3 month old Sumatran tiger about 15 years ago. An experience I shall NEVER forget.
Why infringe on someones rights? WHY? Who are you protecting?
George
AKCNGA 4 years ago 8
well yea, thats because the Number of cars in the US is greater than the Number of Big Cats in the US, so obviously there is going to be a greater number of death involving cars.
allysia02 4 years ago
precisely why we need to outlaw cars, and maybe motorcycles too. might as well include trucks, vans, SUVs, horses, cows, pigs... need I continue?
kcarlady 3 years ago
no you need not continue because last time i checked trucks and vans and motorcycles were not a living creature that is critically endangerd and God forbid you ban cows horses and pigs the meat eaters in your gruop would throw a hissy fit : )
allysia02 3 years ago
I am a lacto-ova vegetarian (eggs from my 1 chicken whenever she feels like laying them, and milk from my Uncle's 10 cow dairy). There was a guy killed in WI today by a cow, so they really need to be outlawed (OK, it fell off a meat hook and landed on the guy). As far as endangered animals, especially cats and bears, that is precisely why we need private keepers, to keep the genetics from going in a straight line like many livestock animals.
kcarlady 3 years ago
conservation isnt about just more tigers in the wild period its about more tigers in their natural habitat. I have hseen many rexano supporters come on youtube and tell people who are fighting to protect natural habitat that conservation is a waste of time. Sorry people keeping tigers in their backyards and charging the public to come and pet them despite the risks to both the tiger and the public truly do nothing for tigers in the wild.
allysia02 3 years ago 3
How can you save them in their natural habitat if the habitat is disappearing due to human population boom in India,what do you suggest,start killing humans in India?And how are the scamstuaries helping captive conservation by castrating their exotic cats and pushing for exotic animal bans on others? The same scamstuaries that charge public to see their fake rescues they bred and bought.I guess you rather see tigers extinct in the wild than saved in captivity.BAN STUPIDITY PLEASE!
REXANOEXOTICS 3 years ago
AMEN!!
kcarlady 3 years ago
I am all for conservation, so, when you figure out a viable way to stop the poachers and the encroachers, please enlighten us all. Also, most don't allow public contact with their animals, so you need to think before you generalize and say all keep them just to charge for petting them. I have rather large Monitor lizards, and after 3 ft in length, they are only displayed, and I am the only one with direct contact. I have never charged for petting or to have pictures taken with them.
kcarlady 3 years ago
The natural habitat is running out you stupid fucktard !!
Dream the fuck on. Its going to be global pavement. And no way you are going to stop that. Wake the fuck up.
You aren't for actually saving the animals, you are for maintianing the pretense that you care more than we do. And you have a goddamned obsession with money-making. Its why you go buy patchouli at your stinking hippie stores. Its something YOU WANT and something they WANT TO PROVIDE FOR MONEY.
wsmith68 3 years ago
common sense is what is missing in governments around the world , banning exotics and restricting contact through unintelegent laws which will we know be broken by people, is not the solution to the problems . Education and intelegent laws focusing on enrichment of these cats lives and recognition that they bring joy to those who are knowlegable in their care are what is needed .RoseGinther BC Canada .
dnbn 4 years ago 9