American Atheists Update 04-04-08

[drjackflash]

Yeah that must be it. Or better yet, do an atheist search on u -tube and check out all of the "tolerant" commentary.

[Strangerinasland]

@drjackflash No. You tell me who the heck you are babbling about or drop it.



[drjackflash]

@Strangerinasland Yeah, pretty much as I had figured.  Carry on being ignorant.

[drjackflash]

What I find interesting as a Physician and a scientist is how many u-tube atheists are clueless bathroom scientists. Atheist docs I work with even cringe and the idiocy of militant atheists on this site.

[Strangerinasland]

@drjackflash  I'd find it interesting for you to support that claim.

[drjackflash]

@Strangerinasland Sure, what part of the claim needs supporting? The moronic, militant atheist comments exist all over u tube, all you have to do is look.

[Strangerinasland]

@drjackflash Just as I thought. 

[drjackflash]

@Strangerinasland Yeah ok. Tell me what needs explaining and I will be happy to help you out.

[Strangerinasland]

@drjackflash I did not ask you to help me with anything. I implied that you should try to support your ridiculous claim.

[drjackflash]

@drjackflash Ridiculous? Trying to make it foolish doesn't make it so.  I will slow this down.....what is hard about to understand about the attitude of atheists on u tube? Arrogant, rude, dismissive comments. Attacking every christian post often with profanity. Staying with me so far??

[Strangerinasland]

@drjackflash Yes, you are going slow. More ridiculous claims with NO evidence. WHAT is so frigging difficult about supporting your claim??? I find the vast majority of atheists on youtube much more patient & tolerant than the theists on youtube, as well as theists anywhere. Arrogant, rude & damn nasty are many theists & very few atheists. I have read 20 times as much profanity from theists as from atheists. Hmmm How can I simplify this for you? WHO the heck are you babbling about?

[drjackflash]

@Strangerinasland Atheists on u tube more tolerant? Are you on the pipe?!

[Strangerinasland]

@drjackflash I think you are trying to provoke me into saying something which will enable you to feel justified. Or you are some theist kid playing goofy games.

[TheGeneralOfWar]

What does this mean? If it takes about 30,000 years to reach equilibrium and 14C is still out of equilibrium, then maybe the earth is not very old.

[kashphlinktu]

General: A quick look at wikipedia reveals that human activity (atomic bomb tests and the burning of fossil fuels) have pushed the levels of carbon 14 temporarily out of equilibrium. Also carbon dating is only used for material that is a few thousand years old and has never been proposed as a way of measuring the age of the earth. There are other radioactive isotopes that are used for that and they DO reveal an age of 4.5 billion years.

[TheGeneralOfWar]

Dr. Libby chose to ignore this discrepancy (nonequilibrium state), and he attributed it to experimental error. However, the discrepancy has turned out to be very real. The ratio of 14C /12C is not constant. The Specific Production Rate (SPR) of C-14 is known to be 18.8 atoms per gram of total carbon per minute. The Specific Decay Rate (SDR) is known to be only 16.1 disintegrations per gram per minute

[TheGeneralOfWar]

If the cosmic radiation has remained at its present intensity for 20,000 or 30,000 years, and if the carbon reservoir has not changed appreciably in this time, then there exists at the present time a complete balance between the rate of disintegration of radiocarbon atoms and the rate of assimilation of new radiocarbon atoms for all material in the life-cycle.2

[TheGeneralOfWar]

In Dr. Libbys original work, he noted that the atmosphere did not appear to be in equilibrium. This was a troubling idea for Dr. Libby since he believed the world was billions of years old and enough time had passed to achieve equilibrium. Dr. Libbys calculations showed that if the earth started with no 14C in the atmosphere, it would take up to 30,000 years to build up to a steady state (equilibrium).

[PrincessPadme57]

are you an atheist?

[Pastordinnan]

Ellen Johnson states that "Christianity was a violent religion long before Mohammed created Islam, such as Spanish Inquisition,Galileo,Bruno, witchhunts, KKK and abortion bombings." It funny how Islam started in 600 and her violent Christian examples date back to 1500!???? Isn't 1500 900 years after 600! You do the math. Apparently speaking without thinking is a tenent of atheism, which is actually anti-theism.

[Pastordinnan]

Ellen Johnson speaks well but lacks historical accuracy and never cites her sources. The Enlightenment of the 17th century did not give us separation of church and state. The Anabaptist movement of the 16th century gave us separation of church and state. The Anabaptists believed and Pilgram Marpeck said "The magestry has no assignment touching the church." Leonard Verduin, The Reformers and Their Stepchildren (Grand Rapids, Eerdmans 1964) p.63 Why doesn't Ellen Johnson tell who said her words!

[otherwisesaid]

Ellen Johnson is awesome!

[PrincessPadme57]

Seriously, is this the best/most interesting thing atheists have to offer to promote their cause? This woman just insights you on the religion and other type of information about other atheist topics. Sincerely, I don't hate the people in the religion, but I do not like the religion. Although all you atheists have now probably felt freer because you have nothing to hold you back, this religion only gives you a glimpse of happiness. Then POOF it's gone. Please take a look at the bible.

[fireemblem555]

what do you mean "the religion"? The way you type makes it sound as if you consider atheism to be a religion. Nobody here is obliged to associate themselves with the American Atheists. Hypothetically I could say whatever I want about atheism with no fear of eternal damnation, or retribution. I came across atheism not at all by outside influence, but just a conclusion that god was illogical starting along time ago when I was about 10.

[PrincessPadme57]

What you believe is your religion. In my opinion it is a theory and nothing more, just as you believe that being a follower of Christ is a theory. However, as members of this society we have the right to protect our beliefs so more and more may chose our side. So whether or not you chose to believe it is a religion or not, I know and so do thousands of others, that it most definitely is a form of religion. (Check out the word 'religion' in the dictionary and you will see).

[fireemblem555]

Google says:

A strong belief in a supernatural power or powers that control human destiny

An institution to express belief in a divine power

A religion is a set of beliefs and practices often organized around supernatural and moral claims, and often codified as prayer, ritual, and religious law. ...

# A system of beliefs, including belief in the existence of at least one of the following: a human soul or spirit, a deity or higher being

Which of those implies that atheism is a religion?

[fireemblem555]

I am an atheist, but I still don't think atheism is a religion, because it isn't. As for definitions of religion, I looked many places, and found nothing that corresponded to atheism. Why don't you pick up a dictionary yourself before getting so fucking preachy princesspadme57.

[PrincessPadme57]

A religion is a set of beliefs and practices *often* organized around supernatural and moral claims, and often codified as prayer, ritual, and religious law.

the 'often' implies that it can be things other than supernatural. all of them say something around the lines of 'system of beliefs.' what is atheism? a *belief* of no supernatural being. so tell me how that doesn't classify as a religion.

[fireemblem555]

The lack of a belief is not in itself a religion. Not believing in only Islam isn't a unique religion, nor is not believing in the Flying Spaghetti Monster, or not believing in fortune telling, or not believing in the Loch Ness Monster. If every lack of belief becomes a religion, then that would be pretty fucking stupid. I do not believe that Supply Side Economics are effective, I do believe Kenynesian Economicsis effective, both beliefs, neither a religion. Also see the next comment too.

[fireemblem555]

Also please note, the very definition you used to try to disprove me says "A set of beliefs and practices." Any survey will show you that beliefs and practices among atheists are in no way unified in a set, with a diverse range of opinions unseen in any religion. One single defining factor cannot be used to unify a group as a religion. That would make all people who have a belief in atheism being wrong into one Theistic and/or Agnostic unified religion, nobody classifies this as so.

[PrincessPadme57]

What holidays do you celebrate? If you celebrate Christmas then you practice a tradition. Although you may not believe in the TRUE meaning of Christmas, you still have a belief and a practice. So atheists either are hypocritical or they are a religion.

We are not even defending anything significant in life. It doesn't matter if atheism is a religion or not, because in the end we will all face judgment day and God will determine whether or not we fought for him and lived like Jesus or not.

[fireemblem555]

Thank you for proving my point, many atheists practice non-atheistic traditions. They have few unique or universal beliefs and practices, and practice primarily from their own cultures minus the religious holidays. If you are attempting to disprove me, you did a fucking horrible job, and really didn't make any point at all.

[PrincessPadme57]

I made a point, but you didn't understand it. Anyways, is the swearing necessary. It only makes you look like you lack a wide vocabulary. That word is also very unoriginal and petty.

Psalms 23:4

"Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil for God is with me."

[fireemblem555]

You made a point, but it was absolute nonsense, and ignored every word but one in the definition I gave, not to mention every word in all the other definitions I gave.

[neilroy6]

What do u belive in?

i believe every should live the way they are happy but it should benefit not hurt otherws in the process and if thats religious or non-religious thats fien. I dont wanna here that im goin to hell from every holy drug addict i meet. im a lil pissed cus thats what extremists do, they are too into it, but moderates tell me love is god so god is within us, i believe if theres heaven and god we will go to heaven no matter what

there is no choice

im agnostic by the way

PEACE

[fireemblem555]

Also Christians are both hypocritical and a religion, so why are you portraying those two as mutually exclusive? "either are hypocritical or they are a religion. I don't have any more time to waste with some ignorant fifteen year old kid, I might reply if you find a point buried somewhere within your indoctrinated head.

[PrincessPadme57]

You don't believe in anything because you are afraid to be labeled hypocritical. At least i am the courage to believe in the minority.

[fireemblem555]

I do not believe in god, if I did believe in god, then I would be a hypocrit, but I don't. I never said I didn't believe in anything, I have opinions, and I support them strongly, and without hypocrisy. As for courage, it does not take courage to follow Christianity, the world's overwhelmingly largest religion, or to believe in God, which is an overpowering majority in the world. Atheism is the minority, if you had any courage you would believe in that.

[PrincessPadme57]

Sorry for saying that you don't believe in anything. It is just you are defending the atheist just like an atheist would. So sorry if I offended you on that.

In America, following God isn't a minority, but if you go into the rest of the world. Be careful. But I was meaning in this comment page. Christ's followers are definitely the minority on here.

[neilroy6]

ran outta space

i strongly doubt the holy religions and books that go around cus they sound false to me

but the posibility there is god beyond religion, im open to that but not open to someone telling me what i havta do to get there

its my life ill live how i want trnaa benifit myself and others

PEACE

i hope to hear from u soon

[zephyr3x3]

Atheism is not a religion. Obviously.

If I wanted to read fiction, I'd go with Harry Potter over the bible.

[PrincessPadme57]

Well, the bible isn't fiction, and I will firmly stand on this fact. There are so many proofs that it is real, our (meaning EVERY SINGLE PERSON, atheist/Christ followers/Christians/Buddhists­/and so on) feeble minds can't comprehend. But Harry Potter's action rate fails in comparison to the Bible. If you want to see a great deal of truthful action, read 1st & 2nd Kings. They are about the fall and rises of many kings. If you like Star Wars/Lord of the Rings, you will love the bible.

[PrincessPadme57]

And don't forget the most outstanding story of them all, Jesus Christ's death and resurrection.

John 15:13

"Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends."

[zephyr3x3]

"Proofs we can't comprehend". How embarassing for you. Speak for yourself when you admit your mind is feable. The bible is fiction. Your delusions do not interest me. They may, however, interest a psychiatrist.

[PrincessPadme57]

That isn't embarrassing. If God wanted us to understand everything then we would. But to be endowed with all this knowledge, even though it isn't even close to knowing everything, is a gift that only God Almighty can provide. And for that I am truly grateful.

Also, these are not delusions, this is history. How can you believe in America's history? The proofs we have for it are just like the proofs we have for the Bible.

[zephyr3x3]

Wow. Continue to lie to yourself. But do not lie to me. Ugh. Learn to read too. I don't care to argue with irrational schizophrenics. I'm sorry you're having a hard time accepting the reality that god does not exist.

[zephyr3x3]

Age is not always directly correlated with wisdom, but you're 15! I really doubt you've had time to consider/study other religions/ideas than the one you've been indoctrinated to believe since age 5. I wonder if you've ever had an original thought...

[PrincessPadme57]

Do you understand how inconsiderate that is? What do you think I am doing now?  Standing for what I believe in is my original thought. I have read about other religions, but none of them give me the joy that being a Christ follower provides.

Also, by calling me names and labeling me insane just shows that can't defend your religion without being rude.

Finally, if you don't like having your belief criticized, then don't be hypocritical and criticize me.

[zephyr3x3]

Joy is qualitative. Believing I can fly would make me joyful, but it doesn't make it true. Think about that.

As I said before, and many others have emphatically stated: atheism is NOT a religion. Atheism needs no defense. Maybe after you study science in high school, you'll have a better grasp on rationality and how real information is acquired.

[PrincessPadme57]

Knowing you could fly would make you happy. There is a fine line between happiness and joyfulness. If there wasn't they wouldn't have made two words for it.

(Broken down: Athe=nothing ism=belief of)

read my comments with fireemblem555 to get my reasonings, but atheism is a religion not matter what you say.

I will never change my position, even when I finish these 4 years of high school science. God is everlasting, science isn't. What I believe in will last, but what you believe in will

[zephyr3x3]

Wow. You are really demonstrating ignorance. English has countless synonyms. You basically have painted yourself as a fanatic at this point (I will never change my position). It's what I expected. At 15 and you think you understand everything. Sad and pathetic. "No matter what you say", lol. Seek therapy. Delusions are a symptom of many psychiatric disorders.

[PrincessPadme57]

I don't know or understand everything, but I do know the difference between right and wrong.

I am not sad or pathetic, and neither or you for that matter. The only thing you think is sad and pathetic is my belief in God, not me. It is not the person that makes people despise them, it is the actions and beliefs that the person has.

Stop judging me. Have I judged you once? No, I have simplify judged and questioned your actions. So by no means are you justified to insult me by calling me insane.

[zephyr3x3]

You've already admitted that you are closed-minded (I will never change my position). You also have shown that you are irrational and fanatical. Yet you expect people to take you seriously? Delusions, of any sort (god), are a sign of a disorder. Sorry, that's science.

[PrincessPadme57]

So what you are saying is that the billions of Christ followers are delusional?

I know I have to grow up. I am not an idiot. However you still have some growing up to do as well. 23 year olds aren't fully matured.

Again, stop judging me.

[zephyr3x3]

Yes. I am emphatically stating that anyone who believes in god is delusional.

The difference between you and me is that given reliable, empirical evidence, I will change my mind. That is the whole point of science.

You, however, think you have all the answers at age 15, and specifically say: "I will never change my position" in spite of what you learn in the future. That is pure fanaticism. Maybe you should think about that.

[PrincessPadme57]

1 Timothy 4:12

"Don't let anyone look down on you because you are young, but set an example for the believers in speech, in life, in love, in faith and in purity."

[zephyr3x3]

It's not just an age issue. I don't think you've sincerely considered other ideas at that age without a strong bias from your religious family and your super religious upbringing. It takes a lot to escape from that. I know personally. Quotes from the bible do not impress me...

[PrincessPadme57]

I don't have to. I have found the only true fact that matters in life. Unfortunately for you, you still have to search for the true one. If you need help in the search I am always welcome to help.

Also, I was not brought up in a super religious family. I found my way into this religion by friends bringing. I thank them for bringing me to God because without him I couldn't have gotten through my brother's death. Before you state something about me, ask me first for the truth.

[zephyr3x3]

You have no grasp on reality. Sad. Why would I ask a 15 year old, undereducated, brainwashed, psychologically abused child for advice? Maybe you should ask yourself why god killed your brother or why he didn't prevent it.

[PrincessPadme57]

I have a grasp on reality, just as you do. Although I might not be as old or as weathered in this life as you are, I can still comprehend things perfectly fine.

Also I did ask. It was just like school(that thing you want me to finish before I can completely say my beliefs), it was a test. I got on an A on it if you wanted to know. And it was because of God that I did.

[zephyr3x3]

Your gullibility is embarassing. Grow up, physically and mentally.

[PrincessPadme57]

I DON'T KNOW EVERYTHING, I have already said this. Also I never said I knew everything. I just said I will never change my position about my religion. That doesn't mean that my belief in say, politics or in anything else, won't change.

You are right in saying that I am fanatical, I am a fan of God, and I am not afraid to admit it.

[zephyr3x3]

The fact that you don't know what fanatical means basically ends this conversation. You really need to finish school. Irrational people are such a waste of time. Thanks for affirming my views of religious people.

[PrincessPadme57]

I do know what fanatical means. It is you who doesn't understand it. I am zeal for the Lord just as much as you strive to prove me wrong.

You are nitpicking the small things, focus on the bigger issue at hand, your well-being in the war for God.

[zephyr3x3]

Look up zeal next. It's a noun, not an adjective. Obviously. Irrational people are such a waste of time. Thanks for affirming my views of religious people.

[PrincessPadme57]

Zeal can be used as a verb. I only affirmed your rudeness towards religious, but you can't say I judged you, which is all that matters to me right now.

Titus 3:10

"Warn a divisive person once, and then warn him a second time. After that, have nothing to do with him."

From now on I will pray for you and other atheists that God will touch your lives so you can live joyfully, not just happily.

[neilroy6]

good fro u but make sure u dont tell otehrs they are wrong

if u think ur right thats fine but that doesnt mean others are wrong

its just a different opinion

its what they choose to do wih that opinion

PEACE

[neilroy6]

go fuck urself ur bible shove it up ur ass

[PrincessPadme57]

Well it isn't my bible, it God's word for everyone. I want to hear more from you to completely understand were you stand on this because as of right now you are just spitting out rage in the form of words. So please, go on.

[fireemblem555]

Also as a third comment to the two below I made, your 100 million number is absolute bullshit. Stalin killed 20 million (once again mostly based on political issues, or imagined betrayl), and Mao responsible for at most 40 million

[fireemblem555]

I can site website other than wikipedia that tabulate these numbers in detail, youtube does not allow hyperlinks though. You cannot do the same as you are a stupid bible-thumping asshole.

[BrianJConsidine]

It's amazing how Atheists look to ancient history, while ignorning the great Atheists of the 20th Century - Mao and Stalin - who are responsible for far worse atrocity, 100 million deaths, to advance their god-less agenda. If you're going to use historical accounts you should know your history. The Inquistions, started in the 12th Century, Islam in the 6th Century, and were responsible for far fewer deaths (less than 100,000) by a magnitude of 100 than the Athiests of the 20th Century.

[fireemblem555]

Atheists do a fair count, as they are tabulating killings done in the name of religion. Most of Stalin and Mao's killings were not based on religion, the overwhelming majority were against political opponents. If you count the murders strictly in the name of atheism, they are far less than those in the name of religion. Also using your method would mean every murder done by a religious person regardless of motive, which is absolutely higher than Stalin and Mao combined and doubled.

[fireemblem555]

If you think it is fair to count all of a person's murders to the religious view they have. So using either counting method you fail

[Bcdunlap]

Yes some Atheist where responsible for having some violent people but you need to focus on the video more. If you did you would notice that we're not the only religion that had violence and not all Atheist are bad.

[gefnanroolz]

That sounds like you're placing 'idols' or figure heads as totems for Atheists. We don't need to worship anyone, I'm afraid. I wish it was true- it sounds nice having a heaven etc, but I don't accept it whilst all this horror and pointless killing goes on. I'm not slagging off your beliefs- just try to understand why I have such difficulty in agreeing with yours. Peace.

[ClumsyRoot]

Someone should have checked the focus before they started shooting.

[onetocome]

American atheist, that is hilarious, and exactly what is your gospel, you people are pathetic.

[ClumsyRoot]

I suggest that you learn a bit more about atheists (e.g., that we don't have a "gospel") before you chime in.

[onetocome]

What is there to learn, you don't believe in God. If there is anything else to learn, it means you have a gospel. You people are pathetic and jelous of Christians because. If you were not, then you wouldn't be constantly bitching about what we choose to believe.

[bpabbott1st]

onetocome: "What is there to learn, you don't believe in God. If there is anything else to learn, it means you have a gospel."

Gospel must be accepted by authority. There is no gospel of atheism.

In the opinion of this atheist, beliefs should be founded upon proportionate evidence.

[onetocome]

Do you have to take everything so literally, your gospel is that there is no God and your Pope is Richard Dawkins.

[mjr256]

"Do you have to take everything so literally"--I ask you the same question.

Atheists don't claim there's no god, only that there's no evidence for one & conflicting evidence for yours. We lack belief in your god for the same reasons you lack belief in every other proposed god.

Please elaborate on your analogy that Richard Dawkins in the atheist "pope." I can't wait. Go on...

[onetocome]

Atheist assert that there is no God. Why don't you browse through Youtube and check out all the atheist that say that "there is no God". Atheist are not agnostics. Atheist believe in evolution from nothing, they claim the universe was not created. I am not going to waste my time arguing with you.

[mjr256]

That would be an anti-theist. The "anti" prefix means opposite. The "a" prefix means lack of or non. And The Law of Conservation of Matter violates your "from nothing" claim. Further, most Evolution & Big Bang accepters are theists, which demolishes your attempt to paint Evolution & Big Bang as some sort of religion of atheism argument.

[dublo7]

Most evolution accepters are theists? Are you getting your words mixed up, because I can tell you right now, that is false.

Also, yes, Stalin and Pol Pot probably were atheists, but they didn't kill in the name of atheism. That would be absurd.

We also must remember that not every crime a theist commits is based on their beliefs, but some of them definitely are.

As an atheist, I don't see how another atheist could kill someone in the name of atheism. It is ridiculous.

[mjr256]

Yes, the vast, vast, vast majority of Evolution accepters belong to one of the 3 major monotheistic religions. In fact, outside of the U.S. I'd guess that over 75% of the rest of the world probably accepts evolution. And considering atheists comprise such a small percentage of the world's population, it seems like a no-brainer that the number of theists who accept evolution must be greater even if we assumed every atheist in the world accepted Evolution. As for your other comments, I agree.

[TheGeneralOfWar]

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The Second Law of Thermodynamics + Entropy is a measure of disorder: cells are NOT disordered and so have low entropy. The flow of energy maintains order and life. Entropy wins when organisms cease to take in energy and die.

Now apply this to evolution.

[mjr256]

The 2nd law of thermodynamics IS entropy. Entropy refers to closed systems. What do you mean by "the flow of energy?" The transformation of genes through sexual reproduction is incomplete. Information is often lost.

Now apply entropy to god, the ultimate perpetual motion machine.

[TheGeneralOfWar]

Lol you are so wrong.. Entropy is a measure of the randomness of molecules in a system and is central to the second law of thermodynamics and the fundamental thermodynamic relation, which deal with physical processes and whether they occur spontaneously.

If you do not know what I mean by the fow of energy you should not be teaching on the subject lol.

sarcasm... Lets put word universe in place of god in your sentence.

Now apply entropy to universe, the ultimate perpetual motion machine. duh

[TheGeneralOfWar]

Thermodynamics is the study of energy. lol so your totally clueless lol.

Energy exists in many forms, such as heat, light, chemical energy, and electrical energy. Energy is the ability to bring about change or to do work. Thermodynamics is the study of energy.

Yet you don't even know what I mean by the flow of energy.

Think about what your saying and take a guess who your arguing with..

[mjr256]

The 2nd law of thermodynamics is an expression of the universal law of increasing entropy, stating that the entropy of an isolated system which is not in equilibrium will tend to increase over time, approaching a maximum value at equilibrium. Yeah, I can copy & paste from Wikipedia too. So as I said, "The 2nd law of thermodynamics IS entropy." Energy means the ability to do work. It doesn't flow. Now the universe IS in a state of entropy. God on the other hand, would violate this law. How?

[TheGeneralOfWar]

Thermodynamics is the study of energy. lol so your totally clueless lol.

Energy exists in many forms, such as heat, light, chemical energy, and electrical energy. Energy is the ability to bring about change or to do work. Thermodynamics is the study of energy.

Yet you don't even know what I mean by the flow of energy.

Think about what your saying and take a guess who your arguing with..

[kashphlinktu]

The reason that life is able to maintain its relatively ordered state is that it has a large external energy source. (The sun)

[PrincessPadme57]

Atheists are not pathetic. What religion do you call yourself? If it is Christian, that is a lie. Christian, if broken down, means 'little Christ.' Saying that they are pathetic is anti-Christian. You should say next time that you hate the beliefs and actions of atheists. So please be nicer next time you insult another religion.

Just to make this clear to you I am a Christ follower and believer, not an atheist trying to defend their religion simply because of pride.

[maccannaj]

islam killing 2000 people per month. it is wrong to compare killing of 400 years ago and todays jihad. jihadist kill more in 2 weeks than the kkk in the last 50 years. we freethinker have to act againist the worst religion of all islam, the cult of the paedo.

stop letting the cult of the paedo of the hook.

[bpabbott1st]

maccanal: "islam killing 2000 people per month. it is wrong to compare killing of 400 years ago and todays jihad. "

I don't think it makes sense to choose sides by comparing the relative merits of mass murders. Would you rather be roommates with Manson or Hitler?

Why do we need to choose between two destructive alternatives? Why not choose a constructive alternative?

[sunreigncleantech]

I don;t believ in atheist..

[ClumsyRoot]

You think that we're all very hi-tech holograms? ;)

[sunreigncleantech]

I have a nuanced posiiton on atheism, and am an atheist. Its nline but I can't paste the link..

[SuperTwit]

I'm sure you don't believe in punctuation, spelling or grammar either.

[sunreigncleantech]

I have a nuanced position on atheism, and am an atheist. Its nline but I can't paste the link..

[bpabbott1st]

sun: "I don;t believ in atheist."

That's ok. Our existence and/or livelihood isn't predicated on your belief.

However, the income of your preacher/pastor/etc is predicated on belief. Specifically two beliefs, (1) *your* belief that he/she knows god, and (2) *your* belief in god. It is no predicated upon the pastor/preacher/etc believing in god.

[msginca]

Thanks for the update Ellen. Always good to hear from you.

[RationalLiberty]

maybe the pope should start a crusade again...

[thizizliz]

Why is it that only atheists will talk about the dangers of overpopulation with any clarity?? Everyone else seems to be so afraid of the topic. Thank you!

[freedom0f5peech]

Because these old religions teach that you should be plentiful and procreate as much as you can. The reason is simple... each religion wants more numbers, i.e., more people of their religion, and to spread it as largely and quickly as possible. The more religious, the more they procreate.

[thizizliz]

The oldest religion is Pagan and they don't - but of course they are not a fear based religion from what I can see. Jews don't seem to preach over breeding either - again, from what I can see. Silly, to have a person's religion, spirituality become a numbers contest.

[freedom0f5peech]

Yes, it's very silly. And you are right, I think this is mostly a Christian thing (possibly Muslim too?). As for the Jews, they have abandoned so much of the old religious stuff it's hard to say what is culture and what is religion anymore... but that's what happens after 4000 years.

[Josh4342]

Its so true.