Wake up and study people Paul was never against women only false doctrine. The woman of GOD can be all GOD calls her to be even a pastor, who teaches or pastors anyway is it the human flesh or JESUS on the inside you decide. I would rather have a woman pastor filled with the SPIRIT of GOD than a man without it.
@Atrain508 -- It is the Talmud that forbade women from teaching in the synagogue, not Torah. Shaul (Paul) wrote in I Corinth 14:34, "..for it is not permitted for women to speak ...also saith the law". What law was he referring to? No such law exists in Torah (Old Testament). Paul was referring to the Talmud---not Torah. Sarcastically, he clears up the confusion in verses 36-39..."What? Did God's word come to you (men) only?" Of course the answer is NO. Read the first 5 verse + Acts 2.
@radicalgrace -- you are correct my friend. Unfortunately, most Christians have no idea what you're talking about. They don't even know what the Talmud is and certainly not it's role !
althoug a woman disciple is spriitually no longer a female, a mother and wife is still physically female. i am not my sons spiritual mother. i am not spiritually one with my husband, yet im spiritually one with christ. the physical church is run by physical laws, but the spiritual church is run by spiritual laws via christ not by physical man.
we are all disciples of God, with different roles concering the church and marriage. the relationship between jesus and god is described as a marriage. Jesus cant teach God anything he already knows already. So, a woman cannot teach a man of God anything he doesnt know already. If we are all equal in christ, wouldnt it be true that men cant teach a woman of god anythinhg she doesnt know already? , because inorder to reach the kingdom, a female must become male. a woman dicple isnt a female.
Jesus said, "Look, I will guide her to make her male, so that she too may become a living spirit resembling you males. For every female who makes herself male will enter the kingdom of Heaven.
The Jewish custom in the synagogue 2,000 years ago was that men sat on one side, women on the other, and Goyim (non-Jewish fearers of God) were in the rear. Paul instructed Gentile women at Corinth to keep silent in the synagogue to avoid interrupting the service. Today, male Christian pastors do not understand Paul's logic and reasons for telling women to keep silent.
In Romans 16:7, Paul praises a woman named Junia as "outstanding among the apostles." Despite the modern mistranslation of her name as masculine "Junias" or "Junius," no commentator prior to the 13th century questioned that this apostle was a woman.1 For example, John Chrysostom, whose writings often express misogyny, wrote of Romans 16:7, "O how great is the devotion of this woman that she should be counted worthy of the appellation of apostle!"
hebrewjisrael - - you are nuts! Plain nuts. Do you not know that Messiah is the head of the body and His bride? Not Saint Peter, not a bishop, not a man or woman. Obviously, you 'know and judge men after the flesh', not the spirit. Rules of hermeneutics as radicalgrace said, cant be ignored. When interpreting scripture we must take into consideration the historical context, culture and idioms of that day. This is taught in 1st semester of biblical college. You need formal bible training.
@projectbojinka And you are an idiot! You are speaking christian doctrine not what the bible teaches and the TWO ARE DIFFERENT! Women cannot be the head of any church. You obviously dont know how to read scripture very well!
@hebrewjisrael If the word of God stands forever why do you say such things, get back into the bible n think before you speak, God is watching you and he hears you. I strongly suggest that you read the New Testament a few times so that you can get a better understanding of it. After all when Jesus was born and when he died a new era was founded by The One and Only (God). Check it out.
It's false for a woman to preach the Bible is heavily against it. I don't understand why people are so ignorant to the Lord Jesus Christ's commandments. The Bible is clear. All this contextual and literal interpretation is vague to the kingdom of God. Colossians 2 V.8-9; speaks about philosophy (man's wisdom/ law) and how it's carnality isn't responsive to the Spirit of God nor reason with Him! It's spiritual retards that take God's Word and defile it with self satisfying rules that's false!
When JC was alive he had followers who received teaching direct from him. When he died they were known as the GNOSTICS. There was no new testament or church. So what did they know which we today don't know? Modern church has drifted away and replaced JC's teaching with ceremony and a book. Dont be a sheep. Ask questions. Send me a reply.
999smart999 they had the same book then and church we got today only difference is it was live.Jesus was with them the church became the people.The new testament was Jesus and now we got it in a book.Same thing except one was live and one is in a book.
There is nothing in the scripture prohibiting women from preaching, but it's the office of elder/pastor that He has chosen to reserve for men. He has also chosen duties that only women are charged to do, & not men. God is not sexist, He's God All-knowing. Men & women of faith should appreciate the privelege to serve in the order He has ordained.
There is no hint in the word that says women can preach but not pastor. If she preaches, she can pastor. Let the women do what God called them to do. If you don't believe them, don't listen to them. Somebody is being blessed and saved.
I made no reference to "hinting". The scriptures are clear. But, we will always have differences on this non Heaven or Hell issue. Women will continue to say "God called me...God called me!" And others will say "not according to scripture." However, we will all still make it to heaven and hear Jesus himself clear up all things at the Judgement Seat of Christ. He will judge in truth. Afterall, the Word belongs to Him, we are just stewards of it. He will define who was faithful and who was not.
WOMAN CAN PREACH AND LEAD! As a male pastor, I get sick of listening to ignorant MEN who insist women can't preach. It's obvious some men never heard the term HERMENEUTICS. If they consider the culture, the audience Paul wrote to, understood the difference between administrative offices, gifts and operations THEN they would understand the FULL STORY. WAKE UP LADIES! GO PREACH! You are not an ancient Jewish proselyte!
Rules of hermeneutics as radicalgrace said, cant be ignored. When interpreting scripture we must take into consideration the historical context, culture and idioms of that day. This is taught in 1st semester of biblical college. You need formal bible training.
@projectbojinka what you are saying is nonsense! Gods word transcends culture, time or human understanding! Bible college does not give the true knowledge of God. You are caught up in religion! God never gave mankind any religion! The HOLY SPIRIT OF TRUTH should have told you that!
1st timothy the 3rd chapter ends the debate a Bishop, deacon, elder or pastor must be the husband of one wife. How stupid must one be not to see that excludes women!
@hebrewjisrael If the word of God stands forever why do you say such things, get back into the bible n think before you speak, God is watching you and he hears you. I strongly suggest that you read the New Testament a few times so that you can get a better understanding of it. After all when Jesus was born and when he died a new era was founded by The One and Only (God). Check it out.
@ilobeth1 You have no idea what you are talking about! You dont understand the old testament so how can you understand the new! Please! You are deceived and ignorant of the true word of God! Bring some scripture or shut up!
The theory and methodology of interpretation, especially of scriptural text. How does Hermrneutics too you mean that women can preach ? When Paul said they cant. In the book Jeremiah God said let HIM speak my word. Who are you or anyone else too change the word of God too suit your needs.
@bigmushroomtip -- Hermeneutics is simply the study of "principles and methods used to properly interpret scripture". With every book of the bible we must always consider; the historical background, context, the intended audience, the original language and meaning in that language, cultural norms, customs, and explore why did he say it that way? Following these methods when studying scripture leads us into "exegesis", the art of interpreting and explaining a passage rightly!
IITim2:15 study Church History. study your roots why and were scriptures were spoken and in what context. Women were told not to speak in church because women sat on one side and men on the other. women would hollar across the room asking their husbands ?'s as the message were being delivered disrupting the service. instead hold your peace untill you get home. legalisum
Somebody has to do the work. There are so many men that won't lift a tired finger to answer the call of God. If the women didn't do the work it wouldn't be done in most churches because the men are too lazy and trying to be macho. AND...I pastor a church, and have worked in the church my whole life. My father was a pastor.
For ChevyDude65 -- You are absolutely correct! I see this in our own church constantly!! I'm a woman and the Outreach Director for our church. Most of the deacons in our church don't even sign up for our Churchwide Outreach events! Very sad. It's like pulling teeth. I'm tired of people that do nothing but sit in their spot in the pew every Sunday and don't serve in any way at all. Very disheartening. I can truly relate to your comment. It seems that 20% of the people are doing 80% of the work.
That is so true!!! I'm subjected to this all the time. God calls and chooses as HE wishes and for those whom have the titles should SERVE willingly in the capacity God has set for them. God blesses those who are willing and DO the WORD!!!
Women can preach but only to women and children, it is not a matter of likes and dislikes but obedience to scripture. go to googlevideo(dot com) type in Mark Driscoll "Under authority like Christ" explains the complimenary roles for men and women.
It's not about whether women are any good as pastors/or preaching it is about God's created order. I used to be a pastor, I reluctantly gave it up in order to obey scripture.
You will recieve a reward for obeying God's Holy Word, those who teach against the word will suffer loss as they are working against God's will revealed in God's perfectly preserved word the King James Bible. Psalms 12:6-7
Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. (1 Timothy 2:11-14)
The men that's critical against the transition of the gospel are stagnant and killing the salvation of so many lives, worrying about if women should preach is not going to help someone in the world that needs to know Christ....lol, poor men Ezekiel 43:10
the Body had BEEN destroyed....now excuse me while I go out and help someone that needs to know HIM....dazzari, all we can do is go forth and rid from the distractions from the critics and pray for one another to reach our purpose...
As far as women preachers go my fav is Pastor Melissa Scott who is the late Dr. Gene Scott's widow. She's a right on teacher, is educated, has had training & mentored by one of the most knowledgeable ever. She has a past for sure, so what? It's out in the open & B.C. & has none of Doc's eccentricity in her message. These other women pale in her message!
I'm a woman and I can't stand rebellious women preachers!! Repent feminazi women!! God created you to be a wife and a mother with your false doctrines can you say apostasy?!!
Again this man above is spreading his poison. He has several heretical video's on youtube. Do not take any notice of him, he is not a Christian so what would he know about the Bible
I did know that the odd woman had brought the wickedness of feminism into what is thought to be 'church' (but is actually nothing at all to do with Jesus Christ), but I did not know that so many wicked women were abouding in sin in black churches. This was a sickening eye-opener. How tragic.
You are not only a heretic but a racist, what has being black or white got to do with Christian ministry. You believe women are second class citizens anyway.
Wake up and study people Paul was never against women only false doctrine. The woman of GOD can be all GOD calls her to be even a pastor, who teaches or pastors anyway is it the human flesh or JESUS on the inside you decide. I would rather have a woman pastor filled with the SPIRIT of GOD than a man without it.
mtlindale 4 months ago
@Atrain508 -- It is the Talmud that forbade women from teaching in the synagogue, not Torah. Shaul (Paul) wrote in I Corinth 14:34, "..for it is not permitted for women to speak ...also saith the law". What law was he referring to? No such law exists in Torah (Old Testament). Paul was referring to the Talmud---not Torah. Sarcastically, he clears up the confusion in verses 36-39..."What? Did God's word come to you (men) only?" Of course the answer is NO. Read the first 5 verse + Acts 2.
radicalgrace 1 year ago
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radicalgrace 4 months ago
@radicalgrace -- you are correct my friend. Unfortunately, most Christians have no idea what you're talking about. They don't even know what the Talmud is and certainly not it's role !
radicalgrace 4 months ago
althoug a woman disciple is spriitually no longer a female, a mother and wife is still physically female. i am not my sons spiritual mother. i am not spiritually one with my husband, yet im spiritually one with christ. the physical church is run by physical laws, but the spiritual church is run by spiritual laws via christ not by physical man.
rolitoss1 1 year ago
should a un godly man be allowed to speak in church? or should he be considered female, since he just as unqualified as a woman?
rolitoss1 1 year ago
we are all disciples of God, with different roles concering the church and marriage. the relationship between jesus and god is described as a marriage. Jesus cant teach God anything he already knows already. So, a woman cannot teach a man of God anything he doesnt know already. If we are all equal in christ, wouldnt it be true that men cant teach a woman of god anythinhg she doesnt know already? , because inorder to reach the kingdom, a female must become male. a woman dicple isnt a female.
rolitoss1 1 year ago
Jesus said, "Look, I will guide her to make her male, so that she too may become a living spirit resembling you males. For every female who makes herself male will enter the kingdom of Heaven.
rolitoss1 1 year ago
The Jewish custom in the synagogue 2,000 years ago was that men sat on one side, women on the other, and Goyim (non-Jewish fearers of God) were in the rear. Paul instructed Gentile women at Corinth to keep silent in the synagogue to avoid interrupting the service. Today, male Christian pastors do not understand Paul's logic and reasons for telling women to keep silent.
radicalgrace 1 year ago
I would not attend any one church where where any of these women are preaching!
ToWorshipHimintruth 1 year ago
@ToWorshipHimintruth Than you need to start judging yourself instead of others.
ilobeth1 1 year ago
In Romans 16:7, Paul praises a woman named Junia as "outstanding among the apostles." Despite the modern mistranslation of her name as masculine "Junias" or "Junius," no commentator prior to the 13th century questioned that this apostle was a woman.1 For example, John Chrysostom, whose writings often express misogyny, wrote of Romans 16:7, "O how great is the devotion of this woman that she should be counted worthy of the appellation of apostle!"
radicalgrace 1 year ago
@radicalgrace NONSENSE AND IRRELEVANT!
ToWorshipHimintruth 1 year ago
hebrewjisrael - - you are nuts! Plain nuts. Do you not know that Messiah is the head of the body and His bride? Not Saint Peter, not a bishop, not a man or woman. Obviously, you 'know and judge men after the flesh', not the spirit. Rules of hermeneutics as radicalgrace said, cant be ignored. When interpreting scripture we must take into consideration the historical context, culture and idioms of that day. This is taught in 1st semester of biblical college. You need formal bible training.
projectbojinka 1 year ago
@projectbojinka And you are an idiot! You are speaking christian doctrine not what the bible teaches and the TWO ARE DIFFERENT! Women cannot be the head of any church. You obviously dont know how to read scripture very well!
hebrewjisrael 1 year ago
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@hebrewjisrael If the word of God stands forever why do you say such things, get back into the bible n think before you speak, God is watching you and he hears you. I strongly suggest that you read the New Testament a few times so that you can get a better understanding of it. After all when Jesus was born and when he died a new era was founded by The One and Only (God). Check it out.
ilobeth1 1 year ago
Utter nonsense!
blessedwomanofYAH 2 years ago
No women preachers!!!!
TheBlackmanofgod 2 years ago
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It's false for a woman to preach the Bible is heavily against it. I don't understand why people are so ignorant to the Lord Jesus Christ's commandments. The Bible is clear. All this contextual and literal interpretation is vague to the kingdom of God. Colossians 2 V.8-9; speaks about philosophy (man's wisdom/ law) and how it's carnality isn't responsive to the Spirit of God nor reason with Him! It's spiritual retards that take God's Word and defile it with self satisfying rules that's false!
Casanova2324 3 years ago
Where did these women go to medical school if they doctors ?
bigjoe612 3 years ago
When JC was alive he had followers who received teaching direct from him. When he died they were known as the GNOSTICS. There was no new testament or church. So what did they know which we today don't know? Modern church has drifted away and replaced JC's teaching with ceremony and a book. Dont be a sheep. Ask questions. Send me a reply.
999smart999 3 years ago
999smart999 they had the same book then and church we got today only difference is it was live.Jesus was with them the church became the people.The new testament was Jesus and now we got it in a book.Same thing except one was live and one is in a book.
bigjoe612 3 years ago
There is nothing in the scripture prohibiting women from preaching, but it's the office of elder/pastor that He has chosen to reserve for men. He has also chosen duties that only women are charged to do, & not men. God is not sexist, He's God All-knowing. Men & women of faith should appreciate the privelege to serve in the order He has ordained.
formeyousee 4 years ago 2
There is no hint in the word that says women can preach but not pastor. If she preaches, she can pastor. Let the women do what God called them to do. If you don't believe them, don't listen to them. Somebody is being blessed and saved.
VTHCDURHAM 3 years ago
I made no reference to "hinting". The scriptures are clear. But, we will always have differences on this non Heaven or Hell issue. Women will continue to say "God called me...God called me!" And others will say "not according to scripture." However, we will all still make it to heaven and hear Jesus himself clear up all things at the Judgement Seat of Christ. He will judge in truth. Afterall, the Word belongs to Him, we are just stewards of it. He will define who was faithful and who was not.
formeyousee 3 years ago
@VTHCDURHAM Who???
blessedwomanofYAH 2 years ago
WOMAN CAN PREACH AND LEAD! As a male pastor, I get sick of listening to ignorant MEN who insist women can't preach. It's obvious some men never heard the term HERMENEUTICS. If they consider the culture, the audience Paul wrote to, understood the difference between administrative offices, gifts and operations THEN they would understand the FULL STORY. WAKE UP LADIES! GO PREACH! You are not an ancient Jewish proselyte!
radicalgrace 4 years ago 11
@radicalgrace You have no idea what you are talking about! The word transcends culture! The word of God stands forever.
hebrewjisrael 1 year ago
Rules of hermeneutics as radicalgrace said, cant be ignored. When interpreting scripture we must take into consideration the historical context, culture and idioms of that day. This is taught in 1st semester of biblical college. You need formal bible training.
projectbojinka 1 year ago
@projectbojinka what you are saying is nonsense! Gods word transcends culture, time or human understanding! Bible college does not give the true knowledge of God. You are caught up in religion! God never gave mankind any religion! The HOLY SPIRIT OF TRUTH should have told you that!
1st timothy the 3rd chapter ends the debate a Bishop, deacon, elder or pastor must be the husband of one wife. How stupid must one be not to see that excludes women!
hebrewjisrael 1 year ago
@hebrewjisrael If the word of God stands forever why do you say such things, get back into the bible n think before you speak, God is watching you and he hears you. I strongly suggest that you read the New Testament a few times so that you can get a better understanding of it. After all when Jesus was born and when he died a new era was founded by The One and Only (God). Check it out.
ilobeth1 1 year ago
@ilobeth1 You have no idea what you are talking about! You dont understand the old testament so how can you understand the new! Please! You are deceived and ignorant of the true word of God! Bring some scripture or shut up!
hebrewjisrael 1 year ago
@radicalgrace Amen! God Bless you Brother.
ilobeth1 1 year ago
@radicalgrace Hermrneutics
The theory and methodology of interpretation, especially of scriptural text. How does Hermrneutics too you mean that women can preach ? When Paul said they cant. In the book Jeremiah God said let HIM speak my word. Who are you or anyone else too change the word of God too suit your needs.
bigmushroomtip 4 months ago
@bigmushroomtip -- Hermeneutics is simply the study of "principles and methods used to properly interpret scripture". With every book of the bible we must always consider; the historical background, context, the intended audience, the original language and meaning in that language, cultural norms, customs, and explore why did he say it that way? Following these methods when studying scripture leads us into "exegesis", the art of interpreting and explaining a passage rightly!
radicalgrace 2 months ago
IITim2:15 study Church History. study your roots why and were scriptures were spoken and in what context. Women were told not to speak in church because women sat on one side and men on the other. women would hollar across the room asking their husbands ?'s as the message were being delivered disrupting the service. instead hold your peace untill you get home. legalisum
eaglefied7 4 years ago
Somebody has to do the work. There are so many men that won't lift a tired finger to answer the call of God. If the women didn't do the work it wouldn't be done in most churches because the men are too lazy and trying to be macho. AND...I pastor a church, and have worked in the church my whole life. My father was a pastor.
ChevyDude65 4 years ago 4
For ChevyDude65 -- You are absolutely correct! I see this in our own church constantly!! I'm a woman and the Outreach Director for our church. Most of the deacons in our church don't even sign up for our Churchwide Outreach events! Very sad. It's like pulling teeth. I'm tired of people that do nothing but sit in their spot in the pew every Sunday and don't serve in any way at all. Very disheartening. I can truly relate to your comment. It seems that 20% of the people are doing 80% of the work.
hojofan 3 years ago
That is so true!!! I'm subjected to this all the time. God calls and chooses as HE wishes and for those whom have the titles should SERVE willingly in the capacity God has set for them. God blesses those who are willing and DO the WORD!!!
mrstgt 2 years ago
@ChevyDude65 does not mean that a woman is called by God to preach! Especially be the head of a church!
hebrewjisrael 1 year ago
Women can preach but only to women and children, it is not a matter of likes and dislikes but obedience to scripture. go to googlevideo(dot com) type in Mark Driscoll "Under authority like Christ" explains the complimenary roles for men and women.
gailowens 4 years ago
Amen! -
It's sad that we actually have some saints who are saved but have doubted Paul's writings not accepting them as the word of God.
The Black church isn't helping the family by putting
women in athority over men, black women are being rejected nationwide by adopting a demeanor that is
a threat to manhood, the children suffer as a result.
gracebelieverz 4 years ago
It's not about whether women are any good as pastors/or preaching it is about God's created order. I used to be a pastor, I reluctantly gave it up in order to obey scripture.
gailowens 4 years ago
Amen.
defenderoftruth 4 years ago
You will recieve a reward for obeying God's Holy Word, those who teach against the word will suffer loss as they are working against God's will revealed in God's perfectly preserved word the King James Bible. Psalms 12:6-7
gracebelieverz 4 years ago
The agenda here is to sell DVD's about "everysoldiercounts" and not to embrace the Bible as the word of God. The word of God endures forever.
gracebelieverz 4 years ago
Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. (1 Timothy 2:11-14)
gracebelieverz 4 years ago
Amen,
God is a God of order.
gailowens 4 years ago
The men that's critical against the transition of the gospel are stagnant and killing the salvation of so many lives, worrying about if women should preach is not going to help someone in the world that needs to know Christ....lol, poor men Ezekiel 43:10
selfexplanitory 4 years ago
but it is destroying the body of Christ.
dazzarai 4 years ago
the Body had BEEN destroyed....now excuse me while I go out and help someone that needs to know HIM....dazzari, all we can do is go forth and rid from the distractions from the critics and pray for one another to reach our purpose...
selfexplanitory 4 years ago
The Body of Christ is ETERNALLY SECURE, and "Seated In Heavenly Places" so how can you lie saying "the Body had BEEN destroyed"?????
gracebelieverz 4 years ago
As far as women preachers go my fav is Pastor Melissa Scott who is the late Dr. Gene Scott's widow. She's a right on teacher, is educated, has had training & mentored by one of the most knowledgeable ever. She has a past for sure, so what? It's out in the open & B.C. & has none of Doc's eccentricity in her message. These other women pale in her message!
ChristianFreeman 4 years ago
The man above Lucas labrador does not belive in evangelical Christianity. Don't listen to him
gailowens 4 years ago
I'm a woman and I can't stand rebellious women preachers!! Repent feminazi women!! God created you to be a wife and a mother with your false doctrines can you say apostasy?!!
defenderoftruth 5 years ago
No Women can be pastors
gailowens 4 years ago
Amen
gailowens 4 years ago
Again this man above is spreading his poison. He has several heretical video's on youtube. Do not take any notice of him, he is not a Christian so what would he know about the Bible
gailowens 5 years ago
I did know that the odd woman had brought the wickedness of feminism into what is thought to be 'church' (but is actually nothing at all to do with Jesus Christ), but I did not know that so many wicked women were abouding in sin in black churches. This was a sickening eye-opener. How tragic.
lucaslabrador 5 years ago
You are not only a heretic but a racist, what has being black or white got to do with Christian ministry. You believe women are second class citizens anyway.
gailowens 5 years ago