Nice video, love the transition. When you aim the shotty and when draw your weapon you lower your head to your sights instead of raising the firearm up to your eyesight for aiming. I have heard this is called turtlenecking and is discouraged by some firearms instructors (I know one but am never into believeing one mans opinion until I hear several to form my own) Does this application work for you for aiming, keeping your head low or both? Your input would be appreciated. Thanks you sir!
@GlockPunisher1 While I appreciate the love, double check your perspective. In a squared/isosceles stance with elbows locked, the hip bends and the shoulders come up to the ears. Compare my head position with both pistol and gun. Watch my head. I bend at the waist, not at the neck (In fairness, I was just a bit lazy and dipped my head an inch or so on the initial transition).
Being locked in that way is very effective at soaking up recoil, allowing for faster followup shots.
@EfEmDee Ahhh squared is the issue I think. I dont usually shoot that way. Ok thanks for the input. To me lit looks like your stance is good , that is why I had to ask. I need to try different stances to include the isoceles one. Thanks you for responding. PS love the african carry transition. I will be applying it out at the range!
Resurrecting a very old comment thread here, but I have reconsidered. In the fall, I managed to get ahold of some advanced shotgun training, and have since come to the conclusion that a hasty-hasty sling is all but useless for proper shotgun technique.
My reasoning is irrelevant, and is mostly related to recoil mitigation techniques. But I try to maintain some semblance of integrity, and a key component of that is if I learn that I have been wrong, admit it.
The biggest problem with this method, is that the sling is too loose, and the demonstration doesn't include keeping the sling behind the tricep, to incorporate the use of the hasty-hasty sling. The hasty-hasty sling will increase your stability (and accuracy) from 20-80%.
@168gr It's not a rifle fired from a static position, brother. In a fluid situation, while both you and your target are moving, the sling employed as you advocate (hasty) would prevent racking the next round into the chamber, and would slow one down for both the first and the next shot. John plaster estimated that it took 2 seconds to assume the hasty position... at that point, your gunfight might be over.
@EfEmDee Um... have you TRIED this? It's the exact same thing you demonstrate in this video, and the only difference is that you hook the sling with your elbow. It does not interfere with cycling the action, and there is zero time penalty. Same speed. More stability. The ability to do this, and do so at speed is probably the single biggest benefit of african carry. Keep in mind, I'm not advocating a "hasty" sling. Hasty-hasty. Try it. Then tell me it's slower. (It's not)
@168gr Just saw the video, and it's sitting as a response. Awesome, thank you. I think the method has some limitations for squared up shooting/shooting on the move, but I now see what you were trying to describe.
@EfEmDee It may well have some movement limitations. I haven't tried using this method running and gunning. My next trip to the range with a shotty, I'll see how it works out for reloads, transitions, etc. As far as I can tell, it doesn't slow down transitions in any way. But you may be correct regarding squared off shooting.
Next time you're at the range, give it a whirl, let me know how it works out for you. I'll do the same.
Step 2 - Make sure the badguy doesn't need to be shot again.
Step 3 - Make sure that badguy doesn't have any friends.
Step 4 - Make sure that you can repeat the process.
What you are seeing is the "threat scan" -step 3-. It breaks the tunnel vision associated with the stress of having to defend yourself, and one should be looking through 360 degrees to make sure there are no more badguys.
Like most everything else in training, if it's something that you do every time, you will do it under stress. It becomes and unconcious act that might save your life.
Great video! I like the African carry better with my 500as it places the rifles's center of gravity weight down and low and if I am carrying a side arm, if does not bump and get in the way of the secondary side arm.
no, i know what american carry is. I mean barrel down, slung over strong side, with the trigger facing your front, the sight facing your rear. You simply need to reach down and grasp the grip, with index finger not on trigger, and raise it to shoulder in one smooth motion while rotating it to upright position. Assuming you have no sidearm, this makes more sense. And this was how African carry is described in a soldier of fortune i once read.
African Carry has been demonstrated on the reaction-side by every instructor I've encountered.
Getting into and out of a strong-side, muzzle-down position the way you described can be a bit awkward, and places the sling in a very odd position over your strong side shoulder when coming out of the carry position.
As you've recognized, it also renders a pistol difficult to draw.
nice and graceful move
MrDanedward 6 months ago
Nice video, love the transition. When you aim the shotty and when draw your weapon you lower your head to your sights instead of raising the firearm up to your eyesight for aiming. I have heard this is called turtlenecking and is discouraged by some firearms instructors (I know one but am never into believeing one mans opinion until I hear several to form my own) Does this application work for you for aiming, keeping your head low or both? Your input would be appreciated. Thanks you sir!
GlockPunisher1 6 months ago
@GlockPunisher1 While I appreciate the love, double check your perspective. In a squared/isosceles stance with elbows locked, the hip bends and the shoulders come up to the ears. Compare my head position with both pistol and gun. Watch my head. I bend at the waist, not at the neck (In fairness, I was just a bit lazy and dipped my head an inch or so on the initial transition).
Being locked in that way is very effective at soaking up recoil, allowing for faster followup shots.
EfEmDee 6 months ago
@EfEmDee Ahhh squared is the issue I think. I dont usually shoot that way. Ok thanks for the input. To me lit looks like your stance is good , that is why I had to ask. I need to try different stances to include the isoceles one. Thanks you for responding. PS love the african carry transition. I will be applying it out at the range!
GlockPunisher1 6 months ago
I've carried long guns this way for years because it just made sense to me. But I didn't know there was a name for it.
torchss 8 months ago
Seems like a good way to cover the lower leg with the muzzle.
Proaconstructor 9 months ago
@Proaconstructor At no point does the muzzle cover any part of the body, including while scanning.
EfEmDee 9 months ago
Great illustration. Thanks for the video.
penguinprogrammer 1 year ago
Resurrecting a very old comment thread here, but I have reconsidered. In the fall, I managed to get ahold of some advanced shotgun training, and have since come to the conclusion that a hasty-hasty sling is all but useless for proper shotgun technique.
My reasoning is irrelevant, and is mostly related to recoil mitigation techniques. But I try to maintain some semblance of integrity, and a key component of that is if I learn that I have been wrong, admit it.
So there you have it. :)
168gr 1 year ago
Nice video, I also learned something today. I'm ditching my single point sling and dusting off my old 2 point.
Tantojutsuninpo 1 year ago
Your killing me by leaning over so far and rolling your shoulders, stand up and let your shoulders be natural. Nice video
SMiller5488 1 year ago
The biggest problem with this method, is that the sling is too loose, and the demonstration doesn't include keeping the sling behind the tricep, to incorporate the use of the hasty-hasty sling. The hasty-hasty sling will increase your stability (and accuracy) from 20-80%.
168gr 1 year ago
@168gr The sling of a tactical/HD shotgun is used simply for freeing your hands from the gun, not for sable shooting like a rifle.
EfEmDee 1 year ago
@EfEmDee Um.... why wouldn't you want speed and stability with a shotgun too?
168gr 1 year ago
@EfEmDee Um... So, you wouldn't want more speed, stability, and accuracy with a shotgun? Can one have too much speed, stability, and accuracy?
168gr 1 year ago
@168gr It's not a rifle fired from a static position, brother. In a fluid situation, while both you and your target are moving, the sling employed as you advocate (hasty) would prevent racking the next round into the chamber, and would slow one down for both the first and the next shot. John plaster estimated that it took 2 seconds to assume the hasty position... at that point, your gunfight might be over.
EfEmDee 1 year ago
@EfEmDee Um... have you TRIED this? It's the exact same thing you demonstrate in this video, and the only difference is that you hook the sling with your elbow. It does not interfere with cycling the action, and there is zero time penalty. Same speed. More stability. The ability to do this, and do so at speed is probably the single biggest benefit of african carry. Keep in mind, I'm not advocating a "hasty" sling. Hasty-hasty. Try it. Then tell me it's slower. (It's not)
168gr 1 year ago
@168gr Maybe I'm missing something. Perhaps you could post a video?
EfEmDee 1 year ago
@EfEmDee I may have to do that, just for demonstration purposes. It may be impossible to describe the process in text.
168gr 1 year ago
@168gr Just saw the video, and it's sitting as a response. Awesome, thank you. I think the method has some limitations for squared up shooting/shooting on the move, but I now see what you were trying to describe.
EfEmDee 1 year ago
@EfEmDee It may well have some movement limitations. I haven't tried using this method running and gunning. My next trip to the range with a shotty, I'll see how it works out for reloads, transitions, etc. As far as I can tell, it doesn't slow down transitions in any way. But you may be correct regarding squared off shooting.
Next time you're at the range, give it a whirl, let me know how it works out for you. I'll do the same.
168gr 1 year ago
Why he always after a shoot looks both sides??
DavikingI 1 year ago
Fire, Assess, Scan, Tacload/Topoff
Step 1 - Shoot the badguy.
Step 2 - Make sure the badguy doesn't need to be shot again.
Step 3 - Make sure that badguy doesn't have any friends.
Step 4 - Make sure that you can repeat the process.
What you are seeing is the "threat scan" -step 3-. It breaks the tunnel vision associated with the stress of having to defend yourself, and one should be looking through 360 degrees to make sure there are no more badguys.
EfEmDee 1 year ago
Like most everything else in training, if it's something that you do every time, you will do it under stress. It becomes and unconcious act that might save your life.
EfEmDee 1 year ago
@DavikingI really? did you really ask that?
HYBRIDCOMBATIVES 1 year ago
Very Nice I have a mossberg 500 and I just Learnd Something Thank you!!
masonmossy1 2 years ago
Great video! I like the African carry better with my 500as it places the rifles's center of gravity weight down and low and if I am carrying a side arm, if does not bump and get in the way of the secondary side arm.
dc2009eguc 2 years ago
Great videos. I really like your style and attitude.
stinkymcpoops 2 years ago
no, i know what american carry is. I mean barrel down, slung over strong side, with the trigger facing your front, the sight facing your rear. You simply need to reach down and grasp the grip, with index finger not on trigger, and raise it to shoulder in one smooth motion while rotating it to upright position. Assuming you have no sidearm, this makes more sense. And this was how African carry is described in a soldier of fortune i once read.
davidreefer 2 years ago
African Carry has been demonstrated on the reaction-side by every instructor I've encountered.
Getting into and out of a strong-side, muzzle-down position the way you described can be a bit awkward, and places the sling in a very odd position over your strong side shoulder when coming out of the carry position.
As you've recognized, it also renders a pistol difficult to draw.
EfEmDee 2 years ago
I thought african carry was with the strap over the strong side arm. That way you can raise it straight to your shoulder faster.
davidreefer 2 years ago
That would be American Carry. Have a look at the Gunsight video I have posted entitled 'Methods of Shotgun Carry'
EfEmDee 2 years ago
This is pure hawtness.
TheM24shooter 2 years ago
You always say the nicest things, C.
;)
EfEmDee 2 years ago
Thanks for the post FMD.
jallegri 2 years ago