Al-Kisai's book is a collectionof mythologies based largely upon the narrations of two individuals who were converts from Judaism, Abdullah ibn Sal'm (d. 663 AH) and Ka'b al-Ahb'r (d.652 AH). They provide the link to the biblical tale of Noah, his sons and the curse of Ham entering into the collectivity of Muslim thought and doctrine.
This story found its way into Arab-Muslim historiography and ethnology in a somewhat distorted manner that reflected the rise of anti-blackness in the new empire. All Arab-Muslim versions of the story portray Arabs as the descendants of Shem,the blacks (sometimes including the Copts, Berbers and the Sindh of India, or basically anyone they didn't like) as the descendants of Ham.
this ideology is screwball. you cant always look at a person and tell the race. their are black that "look white" as well as whites that "look black". these mormons are getting owned. they can't even explain their own doctrine in a sensible manner.
I'n my country there is this political leader saying Islamic people want to kill all non islamics, please tell me that's not treu..thats totally unfair.
This is not my idiology and i think its a stupid kind of thinking..
Islamic do you want to kill me if i think we are all the same?
There's a difference between the Curse of Cain & the Mark of Cain, & neither say skin color. The Curse by God focused on neutralizing the benefits of Cain's primary skill, cultivating crops. Cain complained that the curse was too strong, & that anyone who found him would kill him, God responded, "Not so; if anyone kills Cain, he will suffer vengeance 7 times over" & God "set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him" The Mark of Cain was given to Cain out of Mercy & not as a Curse.
WELCOME People of Africa to AMERICA ! We have successfully KIDNAPPED you from your homeland where you were a vibrant, progressive people.You African mothers left behind, we CHAINED your husbands and sons, African men SHACKLED below we are RAPING your daughters, wives and sisters! When you arrive in America, we are going to STRIP you of your RELIGION and introduce to another where you are considered A CURSED AND WORTHLESS PEOPLE-CHRISTIANITY. We'll also TAKE AWAY YOUR REAL NAMES ! WELCOME !
Men of God studying a doctrines to learn more about themselves and others is a beautiful thing. It is unfortunate than men have perverted GOD's doctrine to promote their own will.
LOL That's funny they wanted to say Black people was cursed and it was them that was cursed. LOL. The reason whit the Natives trun lighter because they are mixing with whites, Im Natives, my skin still the same and Native in the begining the Native were Black people anyway. I wonder how name whites know that because they are so quick to tell someone they have Native Indian in them not knowing Natives are really Black people. LOL!
i love your truthrevealed: american indians are hebrews: correct, yes they are they carry the symbols of the fringes from yah! they wear it today, thier one of the lost tribes of israel. beside us juda thats us! we were the last to go aroung Jesus time. i gave you some scripture to speak on and i have many many more, thats factural. shalom;
you better read the truth, and quit with the lies on god's people? americans indians are hebrews. he better read the bible, he's in trouble, with the lies, the bible don't lie its over yah! said to wake out of your sleep oh hebrew and we have awoken! Shalom: we are Hebrew Isrealites and can prove it by the bible itself. period.
Part of the answer is in the passage that this Muslim cites, IN PART, at the begining: Isaiah 1:18: "Come now, & let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool."
You Tube: RESTORED APOLOGETICS, series:
Black & White Skins in Light of Ancient Garment Color Symbolism in Book of Mormon
Didn't God curse Moses' wife and her skin turned lepros, white as snow. Also God told Moses to put his hand in his coat and when he pulled it out it was white as snow, he then repeated the action and it say's his hand turned back to his normal flesh. So what color was Moses then? If anything it's a curse to be white no?
actually unless the white person killed someone or helped someone kill someone like if they are in poverty a lot they will probably go to heaven and lets say someone was racists against a black guy who is like a millionaire or something
well that guy is probably going to hell..
because if your wealthy it means you worship the devil instead of God that's all..
no because skin color didn't exist until that tower of babbel bullshit when people tried to build a tower to heaven and God got mad and sent them all over the world and confused their language
YEah .. look at these fucks.. they think theyre right in everything.. ! the thruth is : if the white people was so fucking mor brilliant.. they wouldnt be like pussies hiding behind NUKES! they would give black people equal chance for everything.. cause tehy would be better.. BUT ITS NOT THE FACT!
FACT IS..whit people are most spoiled brats in the world.. !!! Most white people are DEMONIC... they worship satan andtheyll all burn some day for the bullshit they doing to the world
babizzoozled, I thought about the case of Michael Jackson and researched on it. I found out that Michael Jackson never had sexual intercourse until well past his youth and into his 30s. This would explain the mark of ham being removed from him through his repentance by not engaging in sexual intercourse. Also while he was growing up he was under the strict control of his father and under constant supervision and guidance of his older brothers, this probably prevented him from masturbation.
bambizzoozled, also the fact that his children turned out white and not with mulatto physical features shows that the removal of the curse passed onto his offspring, and as a verification of the removal of the curse. Also Michael Jackson's love for children is similar to the love of Jesus for children, and in the same way that Jesus was discouraged from being near children by people, the same way Michael Jackson was. Sex is the original and most serious sin in the Bible, but people don't read...
Actually it is called the Curse of Ham, you should research on it. It happened after Ham had sex with his mother, and the curse fell upon the yet unborn child Canaan and his descendants to be marked with color black and to be slaves to the descendants of the other 2 sons of Noah, with one of the son's descendants having responsibility to sell the black slaves to the other son's descendants.
This teaches Mormons that Cain (Who Mormons Believe is the BLACK MAN) Loved Satan more then God and made oaths and covenants with Satan (This is not in the Holy Bible)
Moses 5:28-31 pearl of great price OFFICIAL LDS Mormon scriptures
28...they loved Satan more than God.29 And Satan said unto Cain: Swear unto me by thy throat,30 And Satan sware unto Cain that he would do according to his commands.31 And Cain said:Truly I am Mahan,the master of this great secret...
LDS Mormons Believe The seed of Cain and Ham are the Africans who where Cursed Black in the LDS Mormon Pearl of great Price Scriptures (This is not in the HOLY BIBLE)
". . . there was a blackness came upon all the children of Canaan, that they were despised among all people . . . (Pearl of Great Price Moses 7:8)."
"And . . . they were a mixture of all the seed of Adam save it was the seed of Cain, for the seed of Cain were black, and had not place among them (Pearl of Great Price Moses 7:22)."
@amuslima99 I honestly hope you are not as ignorant as a person as your comment are.
SuperShawB 1 month ago
It is the duty of all conscientious Muslims to speak out against the
hypocrisies and contradictions that exist, especially when the integrity of
one's religious tradition is at stake. Legions of Muslims attack the
contradictions of Western society with no mind to looking in their own
backyard to realize that it is probably even more disorderly and messy.
Needless to say, there are no sacred cows here; we must be honest and
sincere with ourselves about our very real problems.
charbonelle 3 months ago
This provides the theological justification for anti-blackness in early Muslim
society. It is commonly assumed that the genre of stories of the prophets
didn't have much of an effect on scholars and jurists. However, the famous
Al-Tabari, for example, cites no less than six Prophetic traditions which
seek to support this story.
charbonelle 3 months ago
Al-Kisai's book is a collectionof mythologies based largely upon the narrations of two individuals who were converts from Judaism, Abdullah ibn Sal'm (d. 663 AH) and Ka'b al-Ahb'r (d.652 AH). They provide the link to the biblical tale of Noah, his sons and the curse of Ham entering into the collectivity of Muslim thought and doctrine.
charbonelle 3 months ago
This story found its way into Arab-Muslim historiography and ethnology in a somewhat distorted manner that reflected the rise of anti-blackness in the new empire. All Arab-Muslim versions of the story portray Arabs as the descendants of Shem,the blacks (sometimes including the Copts, Berbers and the Sindh of India, or basically anyone they didn't like) as the descendants of Ham.
charbonelle 3 months ago
The mormans are clearly idiots.
OutsideTheRopes 6 months ago
this ideology is screwball. you cant always look at a person and tell the race. their are black that "look white" as well as whites that "look black". these mormons are getting owned. they can't even explain their own doctrine in a sensible manner.
redbonegal 7 months ago
mormons pwnd
230382hwa 9 months ago
Michael Jackson was a Mormon it all makes sense now!
DopeSoda 9 months ago
I'n my country there is this political leader saying Islamic people want to kill all non islamics, please tell me that's not treu..thats totally unfair.
This is not my idiology and i think its a stupid kind of thinking..
Islamic do you want to kill me if i think we are all the same?
Wazztheweasel 10 months ago
BLACK IS DOMINATE NOT RECESSIVE. WE ARE WALKING BREATHING LIGHT.
yunstarr502 1 year ago
There's a difference between the Curse of Cain & the Mark of Cain, & neither say skin color. The Curse by God focused on neutralizing the benefits of Cain's primary skill, cultivating crops. Cain complained that the curse was too strong, & that anyone who found him would kill him, God responded, "Not so; if anyone kills Cain, he will suffer vengeance 7 times over" & God "set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him" The Mark of Cain was given to Cain out of Mercy & not as a Curse.
tlpjohn40 1 year ago
Islam will never say this about any kind of people we accept all..
Lizzio1980 1 year ago
Native Americans didn't turn WHITE, that is such foolishness!
TexadaArmsted 1 year ago
WELCOME People of Africa to AMERICA ! We have successfully KIDNAPPED you from your homeland where you were a vibrant, progressive people.You African mothers left behind, we CHAINED your husbands and sons, African men SHACKLED below we are RAPING your daughters, wives and sisters! When you arrive in America, we are going to STRIP you of your RELIGION and introduce to another where you are considered A CURSED AND WORTHLESS PEOPLE-CHRISTIANITY. We'll also TAKE AWAY YOUR REAL NAMES ! WELCOME !
amuslima99 1 year ago
Men of God studying a doctrines to learn more about themselves and others is a beautiful thing. It is unfortunate than men have perverted GOD's doctrine to promote their own will.
nkrumabyrd 1 year ago
LOL That's funny they wanted to say Black people was cursed and it was them that was cursed. LOL. The reason whit the Natives trun lighter because they are mixing with whites, Im Natives, my skin still the same and Native in the begining the Native were Black people anyway. I wonder how name whites know that because they are so quick to tell someone they have Native Indian in them not knowing Natives are really Black people. LOL!
MsCuriousCat 1 year ago
@MsCuriousCat YEP THE OLMECS THE MOORS ECT
yunstarr502 1 year ago
The black people in america are from the tribe of judah. We are under the curses for disobeying God, but we were always black.
supervirtuouswoman 1 year ago
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dimedana3 1 year ago
i love your truthrevealed: american indians are hebrews: correct, yes they are they carry the symbols of the fringes from yah! they wear it today, thier one of the lost tribes of israel. beside us juda thats us! we were the last to go aroung Jesus time. i gave you some scripture to speak on and i have many many more, thats factural. shalom;
Winter412 1 year ago
you better read the truth, and quit with the lies on god's people? americans indians are hebrews. he better read the bible, he's in trouble, with the lies, the bible don't lie its over yah! said to wake out of your sleep oh hebrew and we have awoken! Shalom: we are Hebrew Isrealites and can prove it by the bible itself. period.
Winter412 1 year ago
I like this guy. I read it in the book of Mormons that the Lemanites were sinful and cursed and turned black
42trini 1 year ago
wow that Muslism corrected those Mormons on their on religion.
vghn19 1 year ago 2
that kid in the middle needs to get his foot off the couch.
meatnug 1 year ago
Man that Arab brother just shitted on the book of Mormon lmao. He knows his shit and he's not letting them feed him no bullshit.
BOWTOTHEGREATLEGEND 1 year ago
@BOWTOTHEGREATLEGEND true he even knew the Book of Mormon said Black ppl are cursed and hes not even Mormon!
vghn19 1 year ago
@vghn19 Now aint that funny LOL
BOWTOTHEGREATLEGEND 1 year ago
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Part of the answer is in the passage that this Muslim cites, IN PART, at the begining: Isaiah 1:18: "Come now, & let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool."
You Tube: RESTORED APOLOGETICS, series:
Black & White Skins in Light of Ancient Garment Color Symbolism in Book of Mormon
RESTOREDAPOLOGETICS 2 years ago
That's not Christianity.
That's Mormonism. Racist, polytheistic and the members become Gods.
awolLDSasap 2 years ago
the guy on the left with the black sweater is defenetelly gay. manerism you can tell .
bachatadiccion 2 years ago
you have to be out of your mind to think white was the original race
GODSwheel 2 years ago
stupid bullshit with no edidence, has any black person turn white for being good or white person turn black for being bad
ultimate8pac 2 years ago
Didn't God curse Moses' wife and her skin turned lepros, white as snow. Also God told Moses to put his hand in his coat and when he pulled it out it was white as snow, he then repeated the action and it say's his hand turned back to his normal flesh. So what color was Moses then? If anything it's a curse to be white no?
DisInfoWars 2 years ago
if you read the bible you would see the part that says that black is another light night and day are the same light.. they are lights the same..
acrislazoiu 2 years ago
this coming from a black man
actually unless the white person killed someone or helped someone kill someone like if they are in poverty a lot they will probably go to heaven and lets say someone was racists against a black guy who is like a millionaire or something
well that guy is probably going to hell..
because if your wealthy it means you worship the devil instead of God that's all..
THAT'S IT..
acrislazoiu 2 years ago
you know what's sad my grandpa is Native American he's dark like a Native American and yet he's racists against black people.. as DARK AS HE IS..
acrislazoiu 2 years ago
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acrislazoiu 2 years ago
no because skin color didn't exist until that tower of babbel bullshit when people tried to build a tower to heaven and God got mad and sent them all over the world and confused their language
acrislazoiu 2 years ago
YEah .. look at these fucks.. they think theyre right in everything.. ! the thruth is : if the white people was so fucking mor brilliant.. they wouldnt be like pussies hiding behind NUKES! they would give black people equal chance for everything.. cause tehy would be better.. BUT ITS NOT THE FACT!
FACT IS..whit people are most spoiled brats in the world.. !!! Most white people are DEMONIC... they worship satan andtheyll all burn some day for the bullshit they doing to the world
TheDruidnik 2 years ago
white people are just evil but falsehood is destin to perish.on da day of judgement many people will be ashamed mostly white scunts
karamoko23 2 years ago
Michael Jackson was a Mormon and he changed from Black to White.
bambizzoozled 2 years ago
babizzoozled, I thought about the case of Michael Jackson and researched on it. I found out that Michael Jackson never had sexual intercourse until well past his youth and into his 30s. This would explain the mark of ham being removed from him through his repentance by not engaging in sexual intercourse. Also while he was growing up he was under the strict control of his father and under constant supervision and guidance of his older brothers, this probably prevented him from masturbation.
TheTurnerDiaries1488 2 years ago
bambizzoozled, also the fact that his children turned out white and not with mulatto physical features shows that the removal of the curse passed onto his offspring, and as a verification of the removal of the curse. Also Michael Jackson's love for children is similar to the love of Jesus for children, and in the same way that Jesus was discouraged from being near children by people, the same way Michael Jackson was. Sex is the original and most serious sin in the Bible, but people don't read...
TheTurnerDiaries1488 2 years ago
I think it is called the Mark of Cain. I know what you are saying though, about Ham being a Black man.
bambizzoozled 2 years ago
Actually it is called the Curse of Ham, you should research on it. It happened after Ham had sex with his mother, and the curse fell upon the yet unborn child Canaan and his descendants to be marked with color black and to be slaves to the descendants of the other 2 sons of Noah, with one of the son's descendants having responsibility to sell the black slaves to the other son's descendants.
TheTurnerDiaries1488 2 years ago
TURNER: YOU ARE A DUMB MOTHERFUCKER
vic7777777777 2 years ago
This teaches Mormons that Cain (Who Mormons Believe is the BLACK MAN) Loved Satan more then God and made oaths and covenants with Satan (This is not in the Holy Bible)
Moses 5:28-31 pearl of great price OFFICIAL LDS Mormon scriptures
28...they loved Satan more than God.29 And Satan said unto Cain: Swear unto me by thy throat,30 And Satan sware unto Cain that he would do according to his commands.31 And Cain said:Truly I am Mahan,the master of this great secret...
Ilegalplayer 2 years ago
Moses married a black women
gregoree1 2 years ago
LDS Mormons Believe The seed of Cain and Ham are the Africans who where Cursed Black in the LDS Mormon Pearl of great Price Scriptures (This is not in the HOLY BIBLE)
". . . there was a blackness came upon all the children of Canaan, that they were despised among all people . . . (Pearl of Great Price Moses 7:8)."
"And . . . they were a mixture of all the seed of Adam save it was the seed of Cain, for the seed of Cain were black, and had not place among them (Pearl of Great Price Moses 7:22)."
Ilegalplayer 2 years ago
This teaches White Mormons that Black skin is a CURSE FROM the Mormon GOD (THIS IS NOT IN THE HOLY BIBLE)
"...cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing...the Lord God did cause a skin of BLACKNESS to come upon them (Book of Mormon 2 Nephi 5:21)"
"And the skins..were DARK,according to the MARK which was set upon their fathers..which WAS A CURSE upon them...(Book of Mormon,Alma 3:6)"
"and the CURSING which hath come upon their skins...(Book of Mormon, Jacob 3:5)"
Ilegalplayer 2 years ago