@TRON9181 Xiongnv Empire's first Emporor Oguze Khan conqoured Tunguses and forced huge amount of Tunguses to move west ward to modern mongolia from Manchuria and northern korea. Sinice then Mongolid and Turkic races mixed so many times. but huns were same as sakas. so many turkic people claim thier scaythian ancestory.
@TRON9181 i tell u a record by Simachian (famouse Chinese historian, lived during time of Huns 200bc) "Among tribal nations there is border line called as "Independence line", if independece line is wide the tribes wouldent be related to each other. If there is no independence line the tribes are closely related to each other. Xiongnvs(Turkic Huns) and Tunguses(Mongolid) had independece line wide alomst over few killometers, which means they are not related."
@unomnacajit111 aww c'mon, Hungarians are not ancestors, we are descendants! Sounds different, right? This video is meant to say Hungarians PRESERVED the culture, not CREATED. I hope it's clear enough.
@TRON9181 In fact, Scythian DNA is R1a1a, not the Hungarian only. Everyone who has dominant R1a1a is a Scythian. Scythian is also a giant DNA group, like the Aryans (R1b1b).
This is why our current closest relatives are the Sarmatians (Poland), the Cumans (Ukraine), Abkhazians and some other minor Russian states, and almost all sort of Turks (however they are sometimes heavily mixed with asians).
There's a comment to be made: there are no Romanians that ever claimed Hungarian language to be a mixture of Daco-roman and Mongol language. However...if you are really interested into finding the roots of your own language I strongly suggest you to look after the Khanti-Mansi language from Uralic area. The true Hungarian linguists already made that research. There is absolutely no relation between Hungarian and Scythians...
@dacgerula "suggest you to look after the Khanti-Mansi language from Uralic area. The true Hungarian linguists already made that research" Dacgerula, I cannot consider these theories scientific, since these researches were made under political pressure, once by the Habsburg Empire, the second time by the Soviet Union. What we've got here in fact is what medieval chronicles say about Hungarians, especially Byzantian and Roman sources, and these suggest Scythian origin.
Szervusz! 4:32-nél található képre, hol találok valami forrást, hogy jobban szemügyre vegyem? Mellesleg a Mezopotámiát elhagyó sumérokkal elég hanyag egyszerűséggel elbántál. Valóban sokan elhagyták, de koránt sem mindannyian, persze olyan kultúrákkal forrtak össze mint az indusi(az elámiak által), pártus-szkita(a Kaszpitól keletre), de azért az akkád szemiták és a pártusok visszatérése közt maradt egy 2000 éves periódus, ahol a sumér, subar maradék államokat és nemzeteket alkotott 1500 évig.
Where did these examples come from? Because Hunnic is not a widely attested language, and is limited to a few words and names. It's not even known what language family it belongs to. Also, the Celtic languages are Indo-European, and are in no way shape or form related to Uralic languages to which Hungarian belongs.
"the Celtic languages are Indo-European" - is that really a fact or just a widely accepted _theory_?
"is not a widely attested language, and is limited to a few words and names" - no, knowledge of the "developed countries" is limited, not the number of sources.
"in no way shape or form related to Uralic languages to which Hungarian belongs" - Hungarian does not belong to the Uralic group, despite what obsolete theories say.
It's very much a widely accepted fact. Compare the proto-forms of all the Indo-European language families and you'll find an astonishing similarity in grammar and vocabulary. In the Irish language, "How are you?" is "Conas atá tú?", whereas in Spanish (a fellow IE language) it is "¿Cómo estás (tú)?"
I would very much like to know where the sentences in Hunnic and Sumerian came from. The ones you used in your video. What source was used?
@leopoldmarsh As for the Irish language, it has been strongly oppressed by Latin and English culture. To find pure Irish language, we have to get rid of these. We cannot consider words as 'irish' where we can see pure adaptation of foreign words.
The sentences I have used in the video were from a book of Attila Türk, turkologist.
Obsolete theories? Au contraire, it's not just a 'theory', it's a fact. Hungarian is an Uralic language, related to Finnish, Estonian, Khanty, Mansi, Karelian, etc. Just like how Irish, Welsh, Breton, and the old Gaulish language are distant relatives of Latin, Lithuanian, Russian, and Albanian. Only nationalistic pseudolinguistics would say otherwise.
@leopoldmarsh "it's not just a 'theory', it's a fact". I can clearly state it's not. The so-called evidences is about 100 Finnish, Estonian, Khanty, Mansi, Karelian, etc. words that are similar to Hungarian, but there are about 1200 Turkic words that are similar to Hungarian. 100 vs 1200? Finno-Ugric theory fails, as always. Pure controversy, not a fact.
Anyway, what we nowadays call Ural-Altaic language group, is almost the same what I call Scythian language group in this video.
@Verdisyofi Scientists checked the DNA of Tarim mumies which found in Central Asia. Result was amazing these mumies were probebly Celtics and highly related to Vikings. They were looked like Caucasiod.
great video. we uyghurs are Turkic people and we are desent of Xiongnvs (Eastern Huns). An uyghur book said " our ancestory gave birth to agricultural on the earth. they built huge cities in central asia about 8000years ago. but climate change in Central Asia destroyed many of thier cities, forced them to move east ward to Mongolia. so thier life style was changed and became nomads...."
@TheOguze I absolutely agree about this after doing some research about the Tarim Basin, the Xinjiang territories and Northern Caucasus. This topic is really fascinating and although it is really hard to find the absolute truth, it is worth researching!
We should break the prejudice first against the Huns -> they are considered to be barbarians by the west but the more research you make on the huns, the more you believe they were incredibly advanced.
for instance Osztjak, Vasnyiak, ect. These nomad tribes either extincted or mixed up with other nations. The only nation was Hungarian who were able to substain, therefore Hungarian language is spoken only in Hungary.
Hi Verdisyofi, the theorys of Hungarian language in the description mentioned by you, just simply bollocks. Romania even had no existed before ww1, Slovakia either, all of these states were part of Hungary, therefore, Hungarian could have emerged neither from Slavic nor daco Romanian. It might have been influenced by Slavic languages, as we`ve acquired a few words from them throughout the History(mostly agrocultural) There used to be a couple of languages which were very very close to Hungarian.
We have been told that writing was invented by 3,000-4,000 BC. What do these runes mean? Was writing invented 20,000 BC? How extraordinary !!
When I was a child somebody told me that the Hungarian Language was invented by the devil while he copulated with a hyena, the painful moanings of the hyena were the source of the alphabet and root words of Hungarian.
@powerdriller10 the fact that you were living in a dream world does not necessarily mean you should troll here. I know you might be suprised but who not?
well I'm a turkish student who learns hungarian in budapest. grammatically turkish and hungarian are very close and it's not very hard for me to learn. but the german, french or english friends of mine are having their worst time. it's obvious that turkish and hungarian are relative languages.
@aporia82 I agree. I had a teacher at the university who once told me that Old Turkish (early medieval age) was almost completely the same as Hungarian.
Hungary is AMAZING country. I am Ukrainian myself, but I love Hungary so much. Such a rich history, and so much success. Such an amazing language and culture. Such intelligent, beatiful, patrotic, and civilized people you have. You are worthy of beign the descendents of Sumerians and Scythians. Don't believe the Finno-Ugric lie.. I'm using google translator by the way, so the grammar might seem terrible.
@Slavko961234 Most Ukrainians do not believe, but genetically they are our closest relatives (and the Polish people). Although slavic language is dominant there, it is still mainly inhabited by Scythians to this day.
Nem tudom, mit szívtál, amikor ezt a Windows movie maker-es cuccot összedobtad, de a hun nyelvet nem tudod összehasonlítani a magyarral, mert az előbbiből már csak pár szó maradt fent. A nyelvkutatás pedig nem csak abból áll, hogy vannak hasonló hangzású szavak, és jajj, de jó nekünk. A japán nyelvben is van pár "érdekes" szó (szavaru-zavar), mégsem vagyunk nyelvrokonok.
@Verdisyofi Utánanéztem, érdekel a nyelvészet, beszélek két idegennyelvet, és még kettőt-hármat tanulok itthon is. Szerintem a japán-magyar nyelvrokonságnak annyi alapja van, mint a héber-magyarnak. Vagy olyan könyvet is láttam már, ami azt fejtegeti, hogy a magyar nyelv közvetlen rokona az ÓGÖRÖGNEK. És még mindig azt vallom, hogy egy olyan nyelvet, amiből már csak pár szó maradt fent, nehezen tudod rokonítani egy élővel.
@HUNspike Nem vagyok biztos benne, hogy szavak alapján egyáltalán érdemes-e elindulni, ha nyelvrokonságot akarunk megállapitani. A szógyökök és a nyelvtani megoldások adhatnak csak támpontot.
@unomnacajit11 thanks for the "compliment" :) in Romania, everything that has a little connection with the Hungarians, is trolled by Romanians. No wonder you're trolling here :) You're such a typical rumanian :)
It is not that I would mind the opposite explanation - i.e. that it was not Meditteraneans but Nordics/Central Europeans that descended but there is not much trace on that. Agriculture is known to have come from the south (in the north till late times there was the ice cap!). And by far the most mobile group of all was the Aegean people that used ships earlier than others (on seas and rivers).
Presence of Aegean people is attested in north Adriatic (close to central Europe and south France).
@notgodsemigod "in the north till late times there was the ice cap!" - Not in the Carpathian basin! It was fertile even in the time of the Wurm II Ice Age!
"Agriculture is known to have come from the south" - i would say WAS known to have come from the south. Recent researches suggest it comes from the North, North from the Caucasus, even before the early Mesopotamian agriculture.
This is pseudo-science. the guy picks up the evidence that suits his message. Let's see how that would work for Hunagrians. 1) We know they came from Asia 2) We don't know exactly where from in Asia 3) We know very deep holes in the ground have been found in Russia which the locals call "entry to hell". >>>>>>>> 1) +2) +3) = HUNGARIANS CAME FROM HELL
P.S. Do you have any solid evidence (not theories) that magyar tribesmen were not gipsy???
@Videogamearcade it is poorly written in the west, but well written in Byzantium, the Arab world and China. Since it was extremely difficult to reach these sources due to political reasons, we have to make this research _now_. No wonder that these things appear only nowadays and were not seen before.
The problem mate, is that we do not have just Dispilio but there are 2 different locations in Greece, one in Macedonia, one in Aegean that depict the same variant of alphabets some 7,000 years back that we keep seeing 4000 years and 3000 years back. Do we see the same in Hungary or other places in Europe? No.
The fact that Aegean (the original Mediterranean) people had moved into central Europe is not any secret. Have you ever studied the spread of agriculture? If you would you'd know better
@Verdisyofi You do not only logical errors (such as doing the hypothesis that the central European and Balkan neolithic scripts are of proto-hungarian language) but you do even basic historic errors such as claiming Greeks to appeared in Greece about 1200 B.C. which is only blatantly wrong when Linear B going back to 1550-1600 B.C. presents a Greek language as well as Linear A
@Verdisyofi Then there is the problem of continuity. The Dispilio symbol is in 100% phase with later Linear and then what is known as Greek alphabets (out of which the Phoenician came of course, not the inverse). We see nothing like that in central Europe. What we see there is circumstantial use of a writing system as if people that wrote found themselves there but then dissapeared all while in Greece we find identifiable (i.e. experts can identify it from other) culture since before 12,000 B.C.
@notgodsemigod In the carpathian basin you can find traces of culture since 22.000 BC. From the archeological findings we can clearly see how this culture slowly expanded to the south through the balkans (prof. Michelangelo Naddeo)
@Verdisyofi This is not to say that central European tribes (that were anything else than Hungarians who were still in central Asia - modern day Asiatic Russia). If they did raids in central Europe - that is possible and there are hints (spread of horse culture etc.) but the details have still to be verified. Kurgan burials are no proof as ALL people buried their leaders in hills from China to Ireland. Pyramids (the easiest structure to built) exist everywhere in the world and is none's culture.
@notgodsemigod "central European tribes (that were anything else than Hungarians who were still in central Asia" - that is the point. You are absolutely unaware of these so-called "central European tribes". These tribes were Scythians, the same Scythians that lived in modern Ukraine area, Urals, or Northern caucasus.
These people give the DNA base of modern hungarians in more than 90%.
@Verdisyofi However there is one thing interesting out of what you notice: the Sumerians. You claim these to be related to Hungarians which geographically was possible since Hungarians could have descended from the steppes down. There is a problem though: Sumerians were agriculturers, not horsemen. And they seem to had been cultivating before they came down to Mesopotamia, though we have no evidence of cultivation earlier in the north steppes.
@Verdisyofi On cultivation, it seems that people developed it independently. However, biological studies on wheat, the staple of Europe and Middle East, showed that the earliest variant of all living species of wheat is traced in Armenia (nowdays north eastern Turkey) which was at the upper part of Mesopotamia. From there cultivation spread very quickly to the Aegean where already maritime cultures existed and who spread it all over Europe (via the sea in the Mediterranean and via Danube).
@Verdisyofi You have also to take into account that sea and rivers are the most easy way to transfer men and culture. Not the horse. In Greece only rich aristocrats had horses, which they held dearly, for the simple reason there was not much food for horses for everyone to have one. Trying linking E.European cultures to Greece is thus a very difficult if not impossible task. The opposite though, the presence of Aegean people in north Balkans and central Europe is something known and proven.
@notgodsemigod "Trying linking E.European cultures to Greece is thus a very difficult if not impossible task." - if you ever heard a Csángó (or Ceangai) person (ancient hungarian tribe which lives next to the Black Sea in today's Moldova, separated from Hungary since centuries), their hungarian-like language is incredibly similar to ancient greek. That is why scientists started to search for connection.
@Verdisyofi Have never heard of he Csangos, have learnt something. I do not know how these can be related to ancient Greek because Greek - no matter how ancient - can not be related to Finno-Ugric group and if Csangos are part of the latter then I am really curious to see how and why. Greek has no close relative out of the living languages. Armenian is supposed to be a VERY distant relative. From there one, all other indoeuropean languages related to Greek, by far the most expansive of them.
@notgodsemigod if you accept a good advice, forget about the Finno-Ugric group. It is very obscure, has no connection with the Hungarian, nor the Finnish! And it is also questionable that Finno-Ugric language group exists at all.
Anyway, this is an obsolete theory, modern research shows different results. Forget that Finno-Ugric thing.
@Verdisyofi The Csángó - Hungarians moved out from Romania, and they speak EXACTLI the same language like the Hungarians today ! There was even a riport movie about them in the Hungarian Tv and you can see that report here on the you tube too ! The Csángó - magyars SPEAK the SAME LANGUAGE AS WE Hun - Hungarians DO ! They have NOTHING to do with Greek language !
enitre history points to the Slavs, who were the first inhabitants on Balkans, and no doubt is the Vinca writing also an ancient Slavic language. the ancient hungarians were Slavs who were invaded by Huns, because the runic writings found in Bosnia, Visoko, is the identical language of the ancient "Hungarians" which is still in use today.
@Verdisyofi slavs were called different name, by their different tribes, such as the Sarmatians, Scythians, Vendis (Venetis), Antis, Serbis (Serbs) , Illyrians, Thracians and many others.
however, the invasion of huns and mongols only occured in 13 century heh
how were u than in europe before the slavs again?!
besides when u see a person from hungary, they resemble slavs/germans more so than ne mongol, with a white complexion, not dark, nor everyones' eyes r slanted as in an asian? ;)
@apocalypse080 Your failure is that you confuse mongols with huns.
Mongol invasion - led by Genghis Khan - 1241 AD.
Hun invasion - Led by Attila the Hun - cca. 450 AD.
Scythian rule of Europe - cca 3000 BC - AD 100
"when u see a person from hungary, they resemble slavs/germans more so than ne mongol" - it is because Scythian genetics are not mongoloid. Scythians have R1a1 DNA Haplotype, which can be found in slavs too but mainly in Hungary/Poland.
@Verdisyofi should be otherway around? wouldn't u say mongol invasion 1241AD, is more recent than let's say huns 450AD or even Scythians 3000BC-100AD!?
so why is that, that u do seem to carry genetics of mongols, as they were the last ones, to "invade" ?!
i mean even now, when u have two different races interbreed, u can clearly see the "hybrid", displaying both of the two? well it seem that actual mongol invasion didn't even occur, after all u resemble slavs of poland u say? ;)
@Verdisyofi so u think that when race & nation invades other country like in case of italy, moores 'moved in' they haven't left their inprint?! u r wrong! however it's not only in language that slavs depicted their culture but also in architecture folklore etc. antropology is full of those discoveries & unless u can produce the same product, u can't claim that ur 'ancestors' really possesed that rich culture!
@apocalypse080 Huns were not completely nomadic. They had enormous cities where the site was suitable, and where the climate was harsh, they did not build cities. That is all. They were not barbaric at all, it is just a western legend.
@apocalypse080 You have to understand that the Hungarian language has been brought in by the Mayars, an asiatic tribe that enterred late in Europe, much later even than the Hunnic raids. So really, imagining that your language would be present so early in times in central Europe is quite a hypothesis.
On the other hand believe Greeks appeared in 1200 B.C. when LInear B & Linear A (also translateeable in Greek but some resist to recognise on the basis of few samples) go back to at least 1800 B.C
@notgodsemigod "You have to understand that the Hungarian language has been brought in by the Mayars, an asiatic tribe that enterred late in Europe, much later even than the Hunnic raids". - I have to be thankful for highlighting the issue. That is the main point! Not only Hungarians used this language! Hungarian language = The General Everyday Scythian Language! This language was used millenniums before Árpád and his tribes entered the Carpathians in 895.
Hey! I'm a Turkic person. Any Turkic doesn't say that Hungarian is a dialect of Turkic language. But it is a Finno-Ugric language including lots of Turkic words. Turkic language also have hundreds of Sumerian words but that doesn't mean Turkic or Hungarian language descended from Sumerian. Accept that you're a Finno-Ugric nation with some Turkic(Oghur, Kypchak, Cuman) and Iranic(Schythian) elements. I love Finno-Ugric peoples, languges and cultures, i think it's so cool to be Finno-Ugrian.
@KutluAkBakshy Hi there! It is okay, I am not saying we do not have finno-ugric roots because i am ashamed of it. No. I simply say it because our language is really not similar to finnic or anything like that.
What we know about Hungarian language is that its closest relative is the Kazakh and Ossetian languages. It is also very similar to turkic. And if you read very ancient turkic texts, it is almost 100% hungarian! How could it be if we were finno-ugric?
@Verdisyofi I am afraid that you jump without evidence to call it non-Greek. I only need to remind you how many times "historians" (propagandists) were tearing their cloths that this and that is not Greek only to be proven again and again and again that, yes, it was Greek. Remember Linear B? Not Greek they were saying. Well sorry, it was Greek. Same with Linear A. It has practically been deciphered as Greek but the usual propagandists stop the recognition on the basis of "few sample basis"
@notgodsemigod the main problem with this Greek-NonGreek issue (it does not matter for me which culture it belongs to) is that Turks are a quite well known branch of Scythians. Since Turks are Scythians, they claim that all the scythian achievements are turkish achievements. Runic writing? It's turk - they say. Horseback archery? It's turk!
But in fact, I would not say a Scythian achievement is Hungarian, just because Hungary belongs to the Scythian group.
@Verdisyofi If you tell me about a hypothetic culture that spanned from central Europe down to Greece back in say 10,000 to 5,000 B.C. I am here to discuss - I can be very much a nationalist and can tell you our Greek roots trace to.... dinosaurs..but as a true Greek I am above all inquisive and in search of all theories treated under light of reason.
My concern is that according to findings in Greece there is an identifiable line since 12,000 B.C. down to historic times without trace of influx
@Verdisyofi I am also aware of researches by Yugoslav researchers that had all the interest to say the opposite who however admit that all anthropologic findings prior to 5000 B.C. in Balkans seem to be of either the Mediterranean or the Nordic type (Mediterraneans and Nordics while having different hair & eye colours, they share similar morphologies). Hence, the main proposition was that the Mediterranean tribe had spread all over till central Europe - linking that to spread of agriculture
@notgodsemigod you consequently miss the Scythians, the third huge group. There were Aryans and Nordics with R1b1b DNA haplogroup, and Scythians with R1a1a and of course the Mediterraneans.
Do not forget the Eastern European race (Polish, Hungarians, Ukrainians, Moldovans, Southern Russians) because they were significant feature in the early ancient ages!
Bollocks. All that shit about runes and that... Runic alphabets where an adoption of the Greek alphabet in central and eastern Europe spread to various tribes ranging from Teutons to Scythians.
Hungarian people are known to have come in central Europe in the middle ages, in fact much after the Hunnic raids. The fact that Sibero-uralic tribes invaded repeatedly central and northern Europe is not anything new.
@notgodsemigod "Runic alphabets where an adoption of the Greek alphabet in central and eastern Europe" Don't be so sure. Greeks were nowhere yet when this alphabet was already widely used from the Carpathian Basin throughout Scythia to Mesopotamia.
@Verdisyofi Saying that the Greeks were nowhere yet when these alphabets appeared in the Balkanic region is very naif. I mean, are you implying that Greeks were extra terrestrials and came down from planet Seirius or something (cos there are people who believe so!).
If you do not like the term "Greeks" that appeared rather in th 1st millenia B.C. then accept the term "Aegean people", ancestors of Greeks. This is the most ancient traced culutre in Europe identifiable earlier than neolithic times
@notgodsemigod as far as I know, those first Aegean people were not dominantly mediterranean, while modern greeks are. What I believe is that those people whose culture gave birth to Cretean and Mycenean civilizations, belonged to the same culture that built the Visoko pyramids. But only in the time of the Dorian migration, the birth of Greek civilization, came these mediterranean folks and adapted their achievements.
@Verdisyofi Thank you for clarifying your views. If anything, no matter if we do not agree on everything, I find some of your views as interesting. I find the proposition of the Mayar languge being part of a greater Eurasian group as very plausible. On Scythians I am not exactly certain how these related to Turks since at ancient times Turks were still not anything else than tribes in Mongolia (and back then they were 100% mongols). Scythians however were mentioned as Europeans & quite fair ones
@Verdisyofi So my question is: where did you read about Aegean people not being dominantly Mediterranean? (I mean in which theory? Or which finding?). Because all anthropologic research says that these were Mediterranean since palaiolithic times. The first non-Mediterranean people that appeared in the Balkans they were the Celtics from north-west (via Danube) and the Dinarics from north east (on horses). And their appearence is traced post-5000 B.C.
@notgodsemigod According to Iosephus Flavius, the Scythians were the first inhabitants of Europe.
Also, if you study the Dorian invasion, you will see that today's Greeks _migrated_ to the Aegean, thus were not the first inhabitants.
I do believe that you are talking about Scythians when you say Dinarics. Especially because you mention _horseback_. That fits into Iosephus Flavius' records.
Which common roots? Hungarian (likewise Finnish) is a Finno-Ugric language and the Celtic languages are part of the Indo-European linguistic family. There aren't any common aspects...
But the video contains a lot of other misunderstandings. How can you declare that Hungarian descends from Etruscan, while there isn't any ancient recordings on Etruscan except of some writing on tombstones?
It's the same case with the Hun language. Nobody knows nothing about the language of the Huns...
@maastakarkotettu the existence of the Finno-Ugric language group is still not proven. We do not even know if there was ever such group. What we know is that hungarian has 200 times more common words with turkic than with finnish, not to mention grammar.
I did not say Hungarians descends from Etruscan, I said it must belong to the same language group together with the hungarian. The text is from pottery.
As for Hun language, we know more about that than you would imagine.
Hungarian language is not the "most difficult". The most difficult language is Sanskrit (example; it still has dual conjugation of verbs; between singular and plural)
@VendPrekmurec that sounds difficult, but in Hungarian we talk in pictures, which has really few grammatical rules, so it is incredibly difficult to learn.
What a stupidity... Celtic languages are descended from Hungarian? I think you must go to a course of comparative linguistics before telling such of idiotisms...
@Verdisyofi Celtic language is Indo-European, when Hungarian is semitic. So there are bigger correlations of Hungarian language with Sumerian or Akkadian than Celtic
@VendPrekmurec I would say Hungarian is rather Ural-Altaic, or similar to Ural-Altaic but definitely not semitic. And saying Celtic language is Indo-European.. hm well, are you really sure..? or is this just something that has yet to be proven?
my friend saw an old roman map and on scythia it had iberia and iranian numerals sound like irish numerals are the basque irish dna has allot of basque
Old Irish history say we are related to scythians look up the ogham alphabet a scythian greek invented it and he made a common language for every one to use at the tower of babel so the story goes
Ossetian, which is an Iranian language, is a descendant of Scythian. Also, the Celtic languages are Indo-European. Moreover, I doubt that Etruscan text is genuine because Etruscan is a largely unattested language, and most linguists agree, for the time being, that it's a language isolate.
@ScottsdaleBlitz wow, clearly stating that Ossetian is an Iranian language, and Celtic are clearly Indo-European despite Celtic being more similar to turkic than german is really surprising for me.
"most linguists agree, for the time being, that it's a language isolate" - all the languages which were considered "isolate languages" later turned to belong to somewhere. There is no isolate language on earth.
Also interesting that all these "isolates" belong to the altaic group.
Bulgarian people and turkish peaple sharing the same roots, evn hungarian people are turkic, we love the turkic name ATTILA, and in Turkey still we are giving this name to our childs Please do some basic searches for example in wikipedia, you will see that the roots of bulgarian people and turkish people are same. The difference is that they accepted Christianity we accepted Islam and we always respected their religion if this is not true in 500 years there would not be even single bulgarian now
The method that the "mainstream" etymologists and linguists use to categorize languages like Hungarian is extremely biased and ignores tons evidence directly linking it with ancient Sumerian. (That part of the world was "white" at the time.)
@adXok about 0,1% of the population still uses it... after Hungary turned to christianity, all the pagan rituals, writing systems etc. were banished and forbidden to use for about 1000 years.
There are a few interesting grammatical coincidences with Estonian and some bits of Gaelic though: usage of "Grand-" as in Grandfather/mother... instead "Old-" is used.
Seanathair - vana(old)-isa(father)
The usage of the word "Weather or Clouds" in a negative
ilma (without/ weather) / neamh (clouds)
mitte (not/non)
ilma millegita (without anything)
neamh-mhiotalacha (non-metal; directly into Estonian mittemetall)
One thing is certain; the most basic words in Hungarian are also basic in Uralic languages. Which definitely suggests a Uralic->Ugric connection. Basic near-to-home words usually stay in the family.
it is known that there are many relations between uralic and altaic languages. thus, they re sometimes classified as ural-altaic languages. its not a mystery.
These words are not just Slovenian or Serbian or Polish, these words are also Bulgarian. In some Bulgarian dialects cat is "мачка", room is "соба" - just like in Serbian. There is also a word "погача", "еклер", "диня", "палачинка", some days of the week from wednesday to saturday, turkey is "пуйка", cherry - "череша", hen - "кокошка", whirl - "вихър", and we also say "be" when we want to draw attention to someone, like "come on", but it sounds offensive in Bulgarian.
@stoyanfourn the interesting thing is that Hungarians already used these words in the Scythian steppes, not only after they took control of the Carpathian Basin.
Also, Bulgarians basically spoke a dialect of scythian language, thus related to magyar and turk as well.
@Verdisyofi the interesting thing however is, that Scythian language appears to be an iranian language, rather than turkic language. It is most probbable, that both Finno-Ugric and Bulgar-Turkic tribes are descendant from the Huns.
By the way, another Hungarian word - tolmács is similar to the Old Bulgarian "тълмач" and the Turkish "dilmaç" and has preserved the same meaning. The Bulgarian word "тълкувам" (to interpret) is derived from the above Old Bulgarian word for interpreter.
@stoyanfourn "appears to be an iranian language, rather than turkic language". It is unfortunately just a theory without a single evidence.
Scythian is very close to old Turkic, but much closer to Hungarian, and has little connection with the Iranian. By the way, old turkic is more similar to Hungarian than modern Turkic.
But remember, the name "Turk" is an arabic word for "Scythian".
@stoyanfourn "палачинка" has a latin origine (placenta), and was transmitted by the Romanian language (palacinta) in the Sclavic languages and in the Hungarian
@Verdisyofi I think , by the expansion of food names was the political and the economocal state never so important. Middle-European countries liked this sweetie so much, that "palacinta" has anchored also in Austria (Palatschinken). - But German people, who don't know this food, don't use this word...
This vid is joke, isn't it? Hungarian language has about 30% words of slavic origin. There is also lots of hungarian words of german origin. When nomadic tribes from Asia came to Europe(magyar=hungarian was name of only one tribe) they vocabulary was really poor compared to they new neigboor. As you can see, they didn't even have words as brother or sister.
"Hungarian language has about 30% words of slavic origin" - prove it. Tell me only 10 words in hungarian which is from slavic origin. 30% omg, do you really think we borrowed 150.000 words from slavic? Are you crazy?
"magyar=hungarian was name of only one tribe" - to be more exact, the leading tribe of Scythia.
"vocabulary was really poor compared to they new neigboor" - prove it.
What you say is not only incorrect, but illogical too.
@Verdisyofi When dealing with words count only root of every word is counted in. So 150.000 words is of course bullshit. Prove to their poor vocabulary is number of words which were borrowed from other languages. Do you want 10 words of slavic origin? Here you are: kása - kaša - gruel, cseresznye - čerešne - cherries, ebéd - obed - lunch, kovács - kováč - smith, pálinka - pálenka - spirit, vihar - víchor - storm, puska - puška - rifle, kulcs - kľúč - key, macska - mačka - cat, deszka - deska
macska - mačka (in slovakian only; for czech, russian it's kocka)
vihar - víchor (in slovakian only; for czech, russian it's bouře)
cseresznye - čerešne (in slovakian only; czech,russian it's třešeň, cherij)
pálinka - pálenka (of course it is pálinka everywhere because it is the name of the hungarian drink... just like whiskey is whiskey and vodka is vodka everywhere)
It seems that slovaks adapted from Hungarians, that's all...
@Verdisyofi Mačka-macska is Serbian, Croatian, Slovenian word too. Víchor-vihar Czech vichřice, Slovene vihar, Croatian vihar. Cseresznye - čerešne - Czech třešně, Slovene črešnja - it's pronounced almost the same way. And what about pálinka, yes, now it's name of alcohol. But it has also Slovak origin. That word is derived from word páliť (to burn), according to the way how it is produced... There are so many other words, but I'm not going to write them here. Open your mind and use google :)
@666sickness Surprisingly to me, the more words I check, the better I can see that slavic language differs: those slavic countries who live close to Hungary, speak a different slavic language than those who live far away from Hungary.
Also, I have to admit that I strongly believe that Hungarians and Slavs have common ancient roots, as they all have the Scythian haplotype in their DNA. It might affect the language as well.
@Verdisyofi But if countries close to Hungary speak different slavic, which is closer to Hungarian, while far away slavic countries speak less similar slavic, it means this is Hungarian affection on the Slavic countries, and not vice versa.
Nobody knows what language did the slavs speak before turning into Orthodox Christianity, but it is likely that they were speaking some Scythian dialect.
The language differed from Hungarian because Hungarians never took Orthodox religion.
@666sickness also, the more I learn about the age of AD 1 to AD 1000, the more I start to believe that the difference between Slavs and Hungarians is only their development line. When we go back in time to Attila the Hun's age, we cannot find slavs exactly, we can find only Western Huns here, who where caucasian people. Much later, when Cyrill and Method start their religious mission, many ex-hun tribes form smaller Slavic nations.
Maybe slavs and huns started to differ because of religion?
"hey didn't even have words as brother or sister" - we have much more advanced expression for that: "testvér" - regardless of being male or female.
In the Scythian culture, women were not inferior to men. In their beliefs they were all equals, so it does not matter what the gender is.
Yes, there is no brother or sister, he or she, his or her in Hungarian, but we have unisex expressions for that. Gender does not matter in Scythian cultures.
Yes, there are a lot of words with slavic origin. Isn't it nice? This one of a proof, that slavic peoples weren't surpressed by hungarians, but tolerated and highly appreciated.
@Verdisyofi Hahaha, thats true man. Well, my full name is Romanian but my mother is Hungarian. Thus, I also speak Hungarian, which to be honest is much much nicer than Romanian. No offence. What Verdisyofi just said is perfectly agreeable.
But truth is, Transylvania todays is the product of many cultures and this is why it is such a beautiful place.
Rákattintottam egy másik videóra melynek a cime: 14000 year old hungarian runic script in ethiopia. WOW, esküszöm csak azután vettem észre, hogy irtam az etióp kollégámról....
Nagyon belemerültem.... a lényeg: arra kérnélek, hogy nézz utána a holland nyelvvel milyen hasonlóságaink vannak- ugyanis vannak. Azt nemtudom, hogy eddig nyelvészek miért nem vették észre. Nagyon sok közös szavunk van és ragozásban is találtam hasonlóságot. Csak ráadásnak: van egy etióp munkatársam is, saját irott számaik vannak, eléggé hasonlit a rovásirásra...... ha nyelvész volnék, nagyon eltudnék merülni a témában. ui: a billentyűzetemen nincsen hosszú i)
Szia! Nagyon érdekes a video! Éppen ma beszélgettem egy szlovák munkatársammal arról, hogy ő mit gondol az ő népének mi a története, nos se eleje se vége nemvolt. Meséltem neki a magyar nyelvről, a kultúránkról, nem hatotta meg hiszen ők az iskolában azt tanulják, hogy Békéscsaba nagyrészt szlovák lakta település és ezzel utalgatnak arra, hogy a kárpátmedence az ő területük volt, mi vettük el.........
@Verdisyofi I absolutely agree...not many languages can do this.
English and the other European languages did not even exist when Hungarians already had their own writing...but actually, I think that theis language is only called Hungarian for the last thousand years...
I am glad someone created this video...i am sooo bored with the Finnish connection...it will take some time before it will be forgotten.
@TRON9181 Xiongnv Empire's first Emporor Oguze Khan conqoured Tunguses and forced huge amount of Tunguses to move west ward to modern mongolia from Manchuria and northern korea. Sinice then Mongolid and Turkic races mixed so many times. but huns were same as sakas. so many turkic people claim thier scaythian ancestory.
TheOguze 9 months ago
@TRON9181 i tell u a record by Simachian (famouse Chinese historian, lived during time of Huns 200bc) "Among tribal nations there is border line called as "Independence line", if independece line is wide the tribes wouldent be related to each other. If there is no independence line the tribes are closely related to each other. Xiongnvs(Turkic Huns) and Tunguses(Mongolid) had independece line wide alomst over few killometers, which means they are not related."
TheOguze 9 months ago
@TRON9181 I would say that Uralic is a Scythian language. So I say the Scythian language group is larger than the Uralic.
Verdisyofi 9 months ago
@TRON9181 to understand why the Turks are related to us, we must understand the terms that define these nations.
Scythia = Greek name for the Askata people (this is how the Scythians named themselves).
Hun = Scythian name for WARRIOR (Huns are not a nation, they are a class! The warrior class of the Scythians!)
Turk = Hebrew&Arabic name for Scythians!
Why turks seem to be different from normal R1a1a Scythians is because of their mix with asians or arabs.
Verdisyofi 9 months ago
@unomnacajit111 aww c'mon, Hungarians are not ancestors, we are descendants! Sounds different, right? This video is meant to say Hungarians PRESERVED the culture, not CREATED. I hope it's clear enough.
Verdisyofi 9 months ago
@unomnacajit111 thanks for the joke, bud :) you made my day!
Verdisyofi 9 months ago
@TRON9181 In fact, Scythian DNA is R1a1a, not the Hungarian only. Everyone who has dominant R1a1a is a Scythian. Scythian is also a giant DNA group, like the Aryans (R1b1b).
This is why our current closest relatives are the Sarmatians (Poland), the Cumans (Ukraine), Abkhazians and some other minor Russian states, and almost all sort of Turks (however they are sometimes heavily mixed with asians).
Pure turks are not mongolid, it is important!
Verdisyofi 9 months ago
There's a comment to be made: there are no Romanians that ever claimed Hungarian language to be a mixture of Daco-roman and Mongol language. However...if you are really interested into finding the roots of your own language I strongly suggest you to look after the Khanti-Mansi language from Uralic area. The true Hungarian linguists already made that research. There is absolutely no relation between Hungarian and Scythians...
dacgerula 9 months ago
@dacgerula "suggest you to look after the Khanti-Mansi language from Uralic area. The true Hungarian linguists already made that research" Dacgerula, I cannot consider these theories scientific, since these researches were made under political pressure, once by the Habsburg Empire, the second time by the Soviet Union. What we've got here in fact is what medieval chronicles say about Hungarians, especially Byzantian and Roman sources, and these suggest Scythian origin.
Verdisyofi 9 months ago
@Verdisyofi
Hungarian: Három nő a vízből hálóval húsz halat fog.
Mansi: Húrem né vitnel húlpel husz húl púgi
Hungarian: Háromszázhúsz hollószemű ebem vízen él.
Mansi: Húrem-szát-husz hulah-szam ampem viten óli
Hungarian: Ló lassan megy a tó szélén.
Mansi: Lú lásal mini tó szélen
...so much about the Scythian "theory"
qed.
dacgerula 9 months ago
@dacgerula wow, you listed almost all the possible similarities between Mansi and Hungarian.
Btw, who said Mansi is not similar to Hungarian? Of course it is, since they have been living in Scythian neighbourhood for thousands of years.
Thanks for highlighting, but it won't help you this time.
Verdisyofi 9 months ago
Szervusz! 4:32-nél található képre, hol találok valami forrást, hogy jobban szemügyre vegyem? Mellesleg a Mezopotámiát elhagyó sumérokkal elég hanyag egyszerűséggel elbántál. Valóban sokan elhagyták, de koránt sem mindannyian, persze olyan kultúrákkal forrtak össze mint az indusi(az elámiak által), pártus-szkita(a Kaszpitól keletre), de azért az akkád szemiták és a pártusok visszatérése közt maradt egy 2000 éves periódus, ahol a sumér, subar maradék államokat és nemzeteket alkotott 1500 évig.
Veszett01 9 months ago
@Veszett01 Üdv! 4:32-nek úgy járhatsz utána, ha nyomozol az Issyk Kurgan (néha Issik-nek irják) után.
A sumérokat illetően valóban igazad van, de nem akartam, hogy a videóból aránytalanul nagy rész jusson erre.
Verdisyofi 9 months ago
Where did these examples come from? Because Hunnic is not a widely attested language, and is limited to a few words and names. It's not even known what language family it belongs to. Also, the Celtic languages are Indo-European, and are in no way shape or form related to Uralic languages to which Hungarian belongs.
leopoldmarsh 9 months ago
@leopoldmarsh
"the Celtic languages are Indo-European" - is that really a fact or just a widely accepted _theory_?
"is not a widely attested language, and is limited to a few words and names" - no, knowledge of the "developed countries" is limited, not the number of sources.
"in no way shape or form related to Uralic languages to which Hungarian belongs" - Hungarian does not belong to the Uralic group, despite what obsolete theories say.
Verdisyofi 9 months ago
@Verdisyofi
It's very much a widely accepted fact. Compare the proto-forms of all the Indo-European language families and you'll find an astonishing similarity in grammar and vocabulary. In the Irish language, "How are you?" is "Conas atá tú?", whereas in Spanish (a fellow IE language) it is "¿Cómo estás (tú)?"
I would very much like to know where the sentences in Hunnic and Sumerian came from. The ones you used in your video. What source was used?
leopoldmarsh 9 months ago
@leopoldmarsh As for the Irish language, it has been strongly oppressed by Latin and English culture. To find pure Irish language, we have to get rid of these. We cannot consider words as 'irish' where we can see pure adaptation of foreign words.
The sentences I have used in the video were from a book of Attila Türk, turkologist.
Verdisyofi 9 months ago
@Verdisyofi
Obsolete theories? Au contraire, it's not just a 'theory', it's a fact. Hungarian is an Uralic language, related to Finnish, Estonian, Khanty, Mansi, Karelian, etc. Just like how Irish, Welsh, Breton, and the old Gaulish language are distant relatives of Latin, Lithuanian, Russian, and Albanian. Only nationalistic pseudolinguistics would say otherwise.
leopoldmarsh 9 months ago
@leopoldmarsh "it's not just a 'theory', it's a fact". I can clearly state it's not. The so-called evidences is about 100 Finnish, Estonian, Khanty, Mansi, Karelian, etc. words that are similar to Hungarian, but there are about 1200 Turkic words that are similar to Hungarian. 100 vs 1200? Finno-Ugric theory fails, as always. Pure controversy, not a fact.
Anyway, what we nowadays call Ural-Altaic language group, is almost the same what I call Scythian language group in this video.
Verdisyofi 9 months ago
@Verdisyofi Scientists checked the DNA of Tarim mumies which found in Central Asia. Result was amazing these mumies were probebly Celtics and highly related to Vikings. They were looked like Caucasiod.
TheOguze 9 months ago
@TheOguze yeah but they did not have the Aryan features like Vikings (R1b1b) but had like Polish/Ukrainian/Hungarian (R1a1a).
Verdisyofi 9 months ago
great video. we uyghurs are Turkic people and we are desent of Xiongnvs (Eastern Huns). An uyghur book said " our ancestory gave birth to agricultural on the earth. they built huge cities in central asia about 8000years ago. but climate change in Central Asia destroyed many of thier cities, forced them to move east ward to Mongolia. so thier life style was changed and became nomads...."
Another topic is Turkic Prymids in China
TheOguze 9 months ago
@TheOguze I absolutely agree about this after doing some research about the Tarim Basin, the Xinjiang territories and Northern Caucasus. This topic is really fascinating and although it is really hard to find the absolute truth, it is worth researching!
We should break the prejudice first against the Huns -> they are considered to be barbarians by the west but the more research you make on the huns, the more you believe they were incredibly advanced.
Verdisyofi 9 months ago
for instance Osztjak, Vasnyiak, ect. These nomad tribes either extincted or mixed up with other nations. The only nation was Hungarian who were able to substain, therefore Hungarian language is spoken only in Hungary.
sublimeaudio 9 months ago
Hi Verdisyofi, the theorys of Hungarian language in the description mentioned by you, just simply bollocks. Romania even had no existed before ww1, Slovakia either, all of these states were part of Hungary, therefore, Hungarian could have emerged neither from Slavic nor daco Romanian. It might have been influenced by Slavic languages, as we`ve acquired a few words from them throughout the History(mostly agrocultural) There used to be a couple of languages which were very very close to Hungarian.
sublimeaudio 9 months ago
We have been told that writing was invented by 3,000-4,000 BC. What do these runes mean? Was writing invented 20,000 BC? How extraordinary !!
When I was a child somebody told me that the Hungarian Language was invented by the devil while he copulated with a hyena, the painful moanings of the hyena were the source of the alphabet and root words of Hungarian.
powerdriller10 9 months ago
@powerdriller10 the fact that you were living in a dream world does not necessarily mean you should troll here. I know you might be suprised but who not?
Verdisyofi 9 months ago
well I'm a turkish student who learns hungarian in budapest. grammatically turkish and hungarian are very close and it's not very hard for me to learn. but the german, french or english friends of mine are having their worst time. it's obvious that turkish and hungarian are relative languages.
aporia82 10 months ago
@aporia82 I agree. I had a teacher at the university who once told me that Old Turkish (early medieval age) was almost completely the same as Hungarian.
Verdisyofi 9 months ago
Which music is this ?
1804dk73 10 months ago
There is also connection to the Basques.
Slavko961234 11 months ago
@Slavko961234 Brilliant notice. Absolutely agree.
Verdisyofi 9 months ago
Hungary is AMAZING country. I am Ukrainian myself, but I love Hungary so much. Such a rich history, and so much success. Such an amazing language and culture. Such intelligent, beatiful, patrotic, and civilized people you have. You are worthy of beign the descendents of Sumerians and Scythians. Don't believe the Finno-Ugric lie.. I'm using google translator by the way, so the grammar might seem terrible.
Slavko961234 11 months ago
@Slavko961234 Most Ukrainians do not believe, but genetically they are our closest relatives (and the Polish people). Although slavic language is dominant there, it is still mainly inhabited by Scythians to this day.
Verdisyofi 9 months ago
@Verdisyofi In no way in hell am I Iranian. You are confusing me with Bulgarians.
Slavko961234 9 months ago
@Slavko961234 oh I did not say you are Iranian.
Verdisyofi 9 months ago
@Verdisyofi kip ap te gud vork ahogy az angol mongya
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feltettem egy szkita magyar videt ,valami oldalon kaptam meg s gontam felteszek belole szavakot
nezzeg
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HunHorda 9 months ago
Nem tudom, mit szívtál, amikor ezt a Windows movie maker-es cuccot összedobtad, de a hun nyelvet nem tudod összehasonlítani a magyarral, mert az előbbiből már csak pár szó maradt fent. A nyelvkutatás pedig nem csak abból áll, hogy vannak hasonló hangzású szavak, és jajj, de jó nekünk. A japán nyelvben is van pár "érdekes" szó (szavaru-zavar), mégsem vagyunk nyelvrokonok.
HUNspike 11 months ago
@HUNspike az embernek 2 lehetősége van:
1. utánajár a dolgoknak, és utána osztja az észt
2. nem jár utána a dolgoknak, és nem osztja az észt.
Tessék választani :)
A japánokról jut eszembe: nem magyar volt, aki kitalálta a japán-magyar nyelvrokonságot, hanem egy japán nyelvtanár, aki magyarországon élt.
Verdisyofi 9 months ago
@Verdisyofi Utánanéztem, érdekel a nyelvészet, beszélek két idegennyelvet, és még kettőt-hármat tanulok itthon is. Szerintem a japán-magyar nyelvrokonságnak annyi alapja van, mint a héber-magyarnak. Vagy olyan könyvet is láttam már, ami azt fejtegeti, hogy a magyar nyelv közvetlen rokona az ÓGÖRÖGNEK. És még mindig azt vallom, hogy egy olyan nyelvet, amiből már csak pár szó maradt fent, nehezen tudod rokonítani egy élővel.
HUNspike 9 months ago
@HUNspike Nem vagyok biztos benne, hogy szavak alapján egyáltalán érdemes-e elindulni, ha nyelvrokonságot akarunk megállapitani. A szógyökök és a nyelvtani megoldások adhatnak csak támpontot.
Verdisyofi 9 months ago
The hungarian language was originally spoken by horses and mules. That's why in Romania it is called "the horses' language".
unomnacajit11 11 months ago
@unomnacajit11 thanks for the "compliment" :) in Romania, everything that has a little connection with the Hungarians, is trolled by Romanians. No wonder you're trolling here :) You're such a typical rumanian :)
Verdisyofi 9 months ago
It is not that I would mind the opposite explanation - i.e. that it was not Meditteraneans but Nordics/Central Europeans that descended but there is not much trace on that. Agriculture is known to have come from the south (in the north till late times there was the ice cap!). And by far the most mobile group of all was the Aegean people that used ships earlier than others (on seas and rivers).
Presence of Aegean people is attested in north Adriatic (close to central Europe and south France).
notgodsemigod 1 year ago
@notgodsemigod "in the north till late times there was the ice cap!" - Not in the Carpathian basin! It was fertile even in the time of the Wurm II Ice Age!
"Agriculture is known to have come from the south" - i would say WAS known to have come from the south. Recent researches suggest it comes from the North, North from the Caucasus, even before the early Mesopotamian agriculture.
Verdisyofi 9 months ago
This is pseudo-science. the guy picks up the evidence that suits his message. Let's see how that would work for Hunagrians. 1) We know they came from Asia 2) We don't know exactly where from in Asia 3) We know very deep holes in the ground have been found in Russia which the locals call "entry to hell". >>>>>>>> 1) +2) +3) = HUNGARIANS CAME FROM HELL
P.S. Do you have any solid evidence (not theories) that magyar tribesmen were not gipsy???
unomnacajit11 1 year ago
@unomnacajit11 Ladies and gentlemen: this is a sweet example how Romanians debate on history.
Verdisyofi 9 months ago
Hungarians have a poor or poorly written history if we still unable to find out where they come from.
Videogamearcade 1 year ago
@Videogamearcade it is poorly written in the west, but well written in Byzantium, the Arab world and China. Since it was extremely difficult to reach these sources due to political reasons, we have to make this research _now_. No wonder that these things appear only nowadays and were not seen before.
Verdisyofi 9 months ago
The problem mate, is that we do not have just Dispilio but there are 2 different locations in Greece, one in Macedonia, one in Aegean that depict the same variant of alphabets some 7,000 years back that we keep seeing 4000 years and 3000 years back. Do we see the same in Hungary or other places in Europe? No.
The fact that Aegean (the original Mediterranean) people had moved into central Europe is not any secret. Have you ever studied the spread of agriculture? If you would you'd know better
notgodsemigod 1 year ago
@notgodsemigod recent research suggests that agriculture did not spread from Mesopotamia through Greece to Europe, but in reverse direction.
The same is valid for the writing system. You can find this writing on 1000 year older clay tablets from Transylvania.
Also, if the Dispilio were the first, then it still would not be greek!
Why?
Dispilio tablet: 5000 BC.
First greeks in greece: 1200 BC.
Dispilio tablet is really NOT greek.
Verdisyofi 1 year ago
@Verdisyofi You do not only logical errors (such as doing the hypothesis that the central European and Balkan neolithic scripts are of proto-hungarian language) but you do even basic historic errors such as claiming Greeks to appeared in Greece about 1200 B.C. which is only blatantly wrong when Linear B going back to 1550-1600 B.C. presents a Greek language as well as Linear A
notgodsemigod 1 year ago
@notgodsemigod when I say 1200 BC, I mean the Dorian migration.
Verdisyofi 1 year ago
@Verdisyofi Then there is the problem of continuity. The Dispilio symbol is in 100% phase with later Linear and then what is known as Greek alphabets (out of which the Phoenician came of course, not the inverse). We see nothing like that in central Europe. What we see there is circumstantial use of a writing system as if people that wrote found themselves there but then dissapeared all while in Greece we find identifiable (i.e. experts can identify it from other) culture since before 12,000 B.C.
notgodsemigod 1 year ago
@notgodsemigod In the carpathian basin you can find traces of culture since 22.000 BC. From the archeological findings we can clearly see how this culture slowly expanded to the south through the balkans (prof. Michelangelo Naddeo)
Verdisyofi 1 year ago
@Verdisyofi This is not to say that central European tribes (that were anything else than Hungarians who were still in central Asia - modern day Asiatic Russia). If they did raids in central Europe - that is possible and there are hints (spread of horse culture etc.) but the details have still to be verified. Kurgan burials are no proof as ALL people buried their leaders in hills from China to Ireland. Pyramids (the easiest structure to built) exist everywhere in the world and is none's culture.
notgodsemigod 1 year ago
@notgodsemigod "central European tribes (that were anything else than Hungarians who were still in central Asia" - that is the point. You are absolutely unaware of these so-called "central European tribes". These tribes were Scythians, the same Scythians that lived in modern Ukraine area, Urals, or Northern caucasus.
These people give the DNA base of modern hungarians in more than 90%.
Verdisyofi 1 year ago
@Verdisyofi However there is one thing interesting out of what you notice: the Sumerians. You claim these to be related to Hungarians which geographically was possible since Hungarians could have descended from the steppes down. There is a problem though: Sumerians were agriculturers, not horsemen. And they seem to had been cultivating before they came down to Mesopotamia, though we have no evidence of cultivation earlier in the north steppes.
notgodsemigod 1 year ago
@notgodsemigod yes, nomadic lifestyle is absolutely necessary on the great plains of Eurasia, but not needed in Mesopotamia.
However, those archeologists who did research on the Al-Ubaid culture, say it seems to originate from today's Kazakhstan.
That was Scythia at that time, and the Al-Ubaid culture can be considered as the first sumerian culture or the culture that Sumerian is based on.
Verdisyofi 1 year ago
@Verdisyofi On cultivation, it seems that people developed it independently. However, biological studies on wheat, the staple of Europe and Middle East, showed that the earliest variant of all living species of wheat is traced in Armenia (nowdays north eastern Turkey) which was at the upper part of Mesopotamia. From there cultivation spread very quickly to the Aegean where already maritime cultures existed and who spread it all over Europe (via the sea in the Mediterranean and via Danube).
notgodsemigod 1 year ago
@Verdisyofi You have also to take into account that sea and rivers are the most easy way to transfer men and culture. Not the horse. In Greece only rich aristocrats had horses, which they held dearly, for the simple reason there was not much food for horses for everyone to have one. Trying linking E.European cultures to Greece is thus a very difficult if not impossible task. The opposite though, the presence of Aegean people in north Balkans and central Europe is something known and proven.
notgodsemigod 1 year ago
@notgodsemigod "Trying linking E.European cultures to Greece is thus a very difficult if not impossible task." - if you ever heard a Csángó (or Ceangai) person (ancient hungarian tribe which lives next to the Black Sea in today's Moldova, separated from Hungary since centuries), their hungarian-like language is incredibly similar to ancient greek. That is why scientists started to search for connection.
Verdisyofi 1 year ago
@Verdisyofi Have never heard of he Csangos, have learnt something. I do not know how these can be related to ancient Greek because Greek - no matter how ancient - can not be related to Finno-Ugric group and if Csangos are part of the latter then I am really curious to see how and why. Greek has no close relative out of the living languages. Armenian is supposed to be a VERY distant relative. From there one, all other indoeuropean languages related to Greek, by far the most expansive of them.
notgodsemigod 1 year ago
@notgodsemigod if you accept a good advice, forget about the Finno-Ugric group. It is very obscure, has no connection with the Hungarian, nor the Finnish! And it is also questionable that Finno-Ugric language group exists at all.
Anyway, this is an obsolete theory, modern research shows different results. Forget that Finno-Ugric thing.
Verdisyofi 9 months ago
@Verdisyofi The Csángó - Hungarians moved out from Romania, and they speak EXACTLI the same language like the Hungarians today ! There was even a riport movie about them in the Hungarian Tv and you can see that report here on the you tube too ! The Csángó - magyars SPEAK the SAME LANGUAGE AS WE Hun - Hungarians DO ! They have NOTHING to do with Greek language !
SuperiorHuns 10 months ago
@SuperiorHuns Sure. And there are also many mini-states in today's Russia who speak similar language, especially in the southern region.
Verdisyofi 9 months ago
enitre history points to the Slavs, who were the first inhabitants on Balkans, and no doubt is the Vinca writing also an ancient Slavic language. the ancient hungarians were Slavs who were invaded by Huns, because the runic writings found in Bosnia, Visoko, is the identical language of the ancient "Hungarians" which is still in use today.
apocalypse080 1 year ago
@apocalypse080 in the very early ages there were no slavs there yet.
Verdisyofi 1 year ago
@Verdisyofi slavs were called different name, by their different tribes, such as the Sarmatians, Scythians, Vendis (Venetis), Antis, Serbis (Serbs) , Illyrians, Thracians and many others.
however, the invasion of huns and mongols only occured in 13 century heh
how were u than in europe before the slavs again?!
besides when u see a person from hungary, they resemble slavs/germans more so than ne mongol, with a white complexion, not dark, nor everyones' eyes r slanted as in an asian? ;)
apocalypse080 1 year ago
@apocalypse080 Your failure is that you confuse mongols with huns.
Mongol invasion - led by Genghis Khan - 1241 AD.
Hun invasion - Led by Attila the Hun - cca. 450 AD.
Scythian rule of Europe - cca 3000 BC - AD 100
"when u see a person from hungary, they resemble slavs/germans more so than ne mongol" - it is because Scythian genetics are not mongoloid. Scythians have R1a1 DNA Haplotype, which can be found in slavs too but mainly in Hungary/Poland.
Verdisyofi 1 year ago
@Verdisyofi should be otherway around? wouldn't u say mongol invasion 1241AD, is more recent than let's say huns 450AD or even Scythians 3000BC-100AD!?
so why is that, that u do seem to carry genetics of mongols, as they were the last ones, to "invade" ?!
i mean even now, when u have two different races interbreed, u can clearly see the "hybrid", displaying both of the two? well it seem that actual mongol invasion didn't even occur, after all u resemble slavs of poland u say? ;)
apocalypse080 1 year ago
@apocalypse080
Scythians lived here for around 3000 years. (85,68% of the entire time)
Huns for around 500 years. (14,28%)
Mongols around 1 year. (0,02%)
Why should we resemble any of the Mongols...? Mongols did not move in, they came and then gone.
Verdisyofi 1 year ago
@Verdisyofi so u think that when race & nation invades other country like in case of italy, moores 'moved in' they haven't left their inprint?! u r wrong! however it's not only in language that slavs depicted their culture but also in architecture folklore etc. antropology is full of those discoveries & unless u can produce the same product, u can't claim that ur 'ancestors' really possesed that rich culture!
mongols & huns were barbarians & nomadic nations!
slavs( illyrians) never were!
apocalypse080 1 year ago
@apocalypse080 Huns were not completely nomadic. They had enormous cities where the site was suitable, and where the climate was harsh, they did not build cities. That is all. They were not barbaric at all, it is just a western legend.
Verdisyofi 9 months ago
@apocalypse080 You have to understand that the Hungarian language has been brought in by the Mayars, an asiatic tribe that enterred late in Europe, much later even than the Hunnic raids. So really, imagining that your language would be present so early in times in central Europe is quite a hypothesis.
On the other hand believe Greeks appeared in 1200 B.C. when LInear B & Linear A (also translateeable in Greek but some resist to recognise on the basis of few samples) go back to at least 1800 B.C
notgodsemigod 1 year ago
@notgodsemigod "You have to understand that the Hungarian language has been brought in by the Mayars, an asiatic tribe that enterred late in Europe, much later even than the Hunnic raids". - I have to be thankful for highlighting the issue. That is the main point! Not only Hungarians used this language! Hungarian language = The General Everyday Scythian Language! This language was used millenniums before Árpád and his tribes entered the Carpathians in 895.
Verdisyofi 1 year ago
Hey! I'm a Turkic person. Any Turkic doesn't say that Hungarian is a dialect of Turkic language. But it is a Finno-Ugric language including lots of Turkic words. Turkic language also have hundreds of Sumerian words but that doesn't mean Turkic or Hungarian language descended from Sumerian. Accept that you're a Finno-Ugric nation with some Turkic(Oghur, Kypchak, Cuman) and Iranic(Schythian) elements. I love Finno-Ugric peoples, languges and cultures, i think it's so cool to be Finno-Ugrian.
KutluAkBakshy 1 year ago
@KutluAkBakshy Hi there! It is okay, I am not saying we do not have finno-ugric roots because i am ashamed of it. No. I simply say it because our language is really not similar to finnic or anything like that.
What we know about Hungarian language is that its closest relative is the Kazakh and Ossetian languages. It is also very similar to turkic. And if you read very ancient turkic texts, it is almost 100% hungarian! How could it be if we were finno-ugric?
Verdisyofi 1 year ago
Dispilio tablet is clearly showing an Aegean Linear Alphabet ancestor of all later LinearA/B/C/Phoenician/Greek/Latin alphabets.
notgodsemigod 1 year ago
@notgodsemigod yes. It really is the ancestor of Aegean Linear Alphabet. But it was not Greek. That is the most fascinating in it.
Verdisyofi 1 year ago
@Verdisyofi I am afraid that you jump without evidence to call it non-Greek. I only need to remind you how many times "historians" (propagandists) were tearing their cloths that this and that is not Greek only to be proven again and again and again that, yes, it was Greek. Remember Linear B? Not Greek they were saying. Well sorry, it was Greek. Same with Linear A. It has practically been deciphered as Greek but the usual propagandists stop the recognition on the basis of "few sample basis"
notgodsemigod 1 year ago
@notgodsemigod the main problem with this Greek-NonGreek issue (it does not matter for me which culture it belongs to) is that Turks are a quite well known branch of Scythians. Since Turks are Scythians, they claim that all the scythian achievements are turkish achievements. Runic writing? It's turk - they say. Horseback archery? It's turk!
But in fact, I would not say a Scythian achievement is Hungarian, just because Hungary belongs to the Scythian group.
Verdisyofi 1 year ago
@Verdisyofi If you tell me about a hypothetic culture that spanned from central Europe down to Greece back in say 10,000 to 5,000 B.C. I am here to discuss - I can be very much a nationalist and can tell you our Greek roots trace to.... dinosaurs..but as a true Greek I am above all inquisive and in search of all theories treated under light of reason.
My concern is that according to findings in Greece there is an identifiable line since 12,000 B.C. down to historic times without trace of influx
notgodsemigod 1 year ago
@Verdisyofi I am also aware of researches by Yugoslav researchers that had all the interest to say the opposite who however admit that all anthropologic findings prior to 5000 B.C. in Balkans seem to be of either the Mediterranean or the Nordic type (Mediterraneans and Nordics while having different hair & eye colours, they share similar morphologies). Hence, the main proposition was that the Mediterranean tribe had spread all over till central Europe - linking that to spread of agriculture
notgodsemigod 1 year ago
@notgodsemigod you consequently miss the Scythians, the third huge group. There were Aryans and Nordics with R1b1b DNA haplogroup, and Scythians with R1a1a and of course the Mediterraneans.
Do not forget the Eastern European race (Polish, Hungarians, Ukrainians, Moldovans, Southern Russians) because they were significant feature in the early ancient ages!
Verdisyofi 9 months ago
Bollocks. All that shit about runes and that... Runic alphabets where an adoption of the Greek alphabet in central and eastern Europe spread to various tribes ranging from Teutons to Scythians.
Hungarian people are known to have come in central Europe in the middle ages, in fact much after the Hunnic raids. The fact that Sibero-uralic tribes invaded repeatedly central and northern Europe is not anything new.
notgodsemigod 1 year ago
@notgodsemigod "Runic alphabets where an adoption of the Greek alphabet in central and eastern Europe" Don't be so sure. Greeks were nowhere yet when this alphabet was already widely used from the Carpathian Basin throughout Scythia to Mesopotamia.
Verdisyofi 1 year ago
@Verdisyofi Saying that the Greeks were nowhere yet when these alphabets appeared in the Balkanic region is very naif. I mean, are you implying that Greeks were extra terrestrials and came down from planet Seirius or something (cos there are people who believe so!).
If you do not like the term "Greeks" that appeared rather in th 1st millenia B.C. then accept the term "Aegean people", ancestors of Greeks. This is the most ancient traced culutre in Europe identifiable earlier than neolithic times
notgodsemigod 1 year ago
@notgodsemigod as far as I know, those first Aegean people were not dominantly mediterranean, while modern greeks are. What I believe is that those people whose culture gave birth to Cretean and Mycenean civilizations, belonged to the same culture that built the Visoko pyramids. But only in the time of the Dorian migration, the birth of Greek civilization, came these mediterranean folks and adapted their achievements.
Verdisyofi 1 year ago
@Verdisyofi Thank you for clarifying your views. If anything, no matter if we do not agree on everything, I find some of your views as interesting. I find the proposition of the Mayar languge being part of a greater Eurasian group as very plausible. On Scythians I am not exactly certain how these related to Turks since at ancient times Turks were still not anything else than tribes in Mongolia (and back then they were 100% mongols). Scythians however were mentioned as Europeans & quite fair ones
notgodsemigod 1 year ago
@Verdisyofi So my question is: where did you read about Aegean people not being dominantly Mediterranean? (I mean in which theory? Or which finding?). Because all anthropologic research says that these were Mediterranean since palaiolithic times. The first non-Mediterranean people that appeared in the Balkans they were the Celtics from north-west (via Danube) and the Dinarics from north east (on horses). And their appearence is traced post-5000 B.C.
notgodsemigod 1 year ago
@notgodsemigod According to Iosephus Flavius, the Scythians were the first inhabitants of Europe.
Also, if you study the Dorian invasion, you will see that today's Greeks _migrated_ to the Aegean, thus were not the first inhabitants.
I do believe that you are talking about Scythians when you say Dinarics. Especially because you mention _horseback_. That fits into Iosephus Flavius' records.
Verdisyofi 9 months ago
Which common roots? Hungarian (likewise Finnish) is a Finno-Ugric language and the Celtic languages are part of the Indo-European linguistic family. There aren't any common aspects...
But the video contains a lot of other misunderstandings. How can you declare that Hungarian descends from Etruscan, while there isn't any ancient recordings on Etruscan except of some writing on tombstones?
It's the same case with the Hun language. Nobody knows nothing about the language of the Huns...
maastakarkotettu 1 year ago
@maastakarkotettu the existence of the Finno-Ugric language group is still not proven. We do not even know if there was ever such group. What we know is that hungarian has 200 times more common words with turkic than with finnish, not to mention grammar.
I did not say Hungarians descends from Etruscan, I said it must belong to the same language group together with the hungarian. The text is from pottery.
As for Hun language, we know more about that than you would imagine.
Verdisyofi 1 year ago
Hungarian language is not the "most difficult". The most difficult language is Sanskrit (example; it still has dual conjugation of verbs; between singular and plural)
VendPrekmurec 1 year ago
@VendPrekmurec that sounds difficult, but in Hungarian we talk in pictures, which has really few grammatical rules, so it is incredibly difficult to learn.
Verdisyofi 1 year ago
great vid
Hillsillverr 1 year ago
25000 years ago? What do we really know about humanity?
Hillsillverr 1 year ago
What a stupidity... Celtic languages are descended from Hungarian? I think you must go to a course of comparative linguistics before telling such of idiotisms...
maastakarkotettu 1 year ago
@maastakarkotettu Celtic did not descent from Hungarian, but Hungarian and Celtic have common roots.
Verdisyofi 1 year ago
@Verdisyofi example?
VendPrekmurec 1 year ago
@VendPrekmurec included in the video.
Verdisyofi 1 year ago
@Verdisyofi Celtic language is Indo-European, when Hungarian is semitic. So there are bigger correlations of Hungarian language with Sumerian or Akkadian than Celtic
VendPrekmurec 1 year ago
@VendPrekmurec I would say Hungarian is rather Ural-Altaic, or similar to Ural-Altaic but definitely not semitic. And saying Celtic language is Indo-European.. hm well, are you really sure..? or is this just something that has yet to be proven?
Verdisyofi 1 year ago
my friend saw an old roman map and on scythia it had iberia and iranian numerals sound like irish numerals are the basque irish dna has allot of basque
hartejoseph 1 year ago
Old Irish history say we are related to scythians look up the ogham alphabet a scythian greek invented it and he made a common language for every one to use at the tower of babel so the story goes
hartejoseph 1 year ago
Polish languahe is the hardest language on the Earth :D
Mikulew 1 year ago
The music is great, just like the video!
eduerthal 1 year ago
who the fuck wan to know that ****
DrumpFluid 1 year ago
@DrumpFluid anyone who is a bit more intelligent than you.
Verdisyofi 1 year ago
This video is...odd.
Ossetian, which is an Iranian language, is a descendant of Scythian. Also, the Celtic languages are Indo-European. Moreover, I doubt that Etruscan text is genuine because Etruscan is a largely unattested language, and most linguists agree, for the time being, that it's a language isolate.
ScottsdaleBlitz 1 year ago
@ScottsdaleBlitz wow, clearly stating that Ossetian is an Iranian language, and Celtic are clearly Indo-European despite Celtic being more similar to turkic than german is really surprising for me.
"most linguists agree, for the time being, that it's a language isolate" - all the languages which were considered "isolate languages" later turned to belong to somewhere. There is no isolate language on earth.
Also interesting that all these "isolates" belong to the altaic group.
Verdisyofi 1 year ago
Bulgarian people and turkish peaple sharing the same roots, evn hungarian people are turkic, we love the turkic name ATTILA, and in Turkey still we are giving this name to our childs Please do some basic searches for example in wikipedia, you will see that the roots of bulgarian people and turkish people are same. The difference is that they accepted Christianity we accepted Islam and we always respected their religion if this is not true in 500 years there would not be even single bulgarian now
gunayxy 1 year ago
beautiful made video
conjama 1 year ago
Barry Fell says that there is also a link between Sumarian and Quechua.
charkee1 1 year ago
@charkee1 I think it is not impossible.
Verdisyofi 1 year ago
The method that the "mainstream" etymologists and linguists use to categorize languages like Hungarian is extremely biased and ignores tons evidence directly linking it with ancient Sumerian. (That part of the world was "white" at the time.)
AlexExodia 1 year ago
I think it's amazing how it is close to Sumerian, Sumerian interest me a lot
krypter3 1 year ago
The music was epic with the video, I kinda got goosebumps, thanks for making this ^^
afareni 1 year ago
Some people really dont understand what this video is all about.....
Néhány ember nagyon nem érti miröl szól ez a video.....
sujoms 1 year ago
Where's part 2?
drzeus99 1 year ago
@drzeus99 I made one already but i decided not to put it on the internet yet, I still have some re-work with it.
Verdisyofi 1 year ago
@Verdisyofi
but why hungarias write using latin letters... completely illogical. Where is your alphabet?!
adXok 1 year ago
@adXok about 0,1% of the population still uses it... after Hungary turned to christianity, all the pagan rituals, writing systems etc. were banished and forbidden to use for about 1000 years.
Verdisyofi 1 year ago
nice dtk music from world of warcraft. btw good video and very interesting :)
DR1927 1 year ago
@DR1927 when it comes to choosing some mystic music I just pick one from wotlk, it has an awesome soundtrack I think :)
Verdisyofi 1 year ago
@Verdisyofi wrath of the lich king? lol
Hillsillverr 1 year ago
Nagyon érdekes, várom a második részt!
És ajánlom figyelmetekbe a következő videót:
watch?v=nqYB9yqWxnI&feature=related
Egy etiópiai feltárásról szól, oroszul van, de amit 07:10 körül mutat, az igencsak megdöbbentő!
Asszimptota 1 year ago
Why is it that all videos of the origins of Hungarian language have this creepy music?
IchWerdeSterben111 1 year ago
@IchWerdeSterben111 this type of music suggests you to think, unlike some rock/rap music haha :)
Verdisyofi 1 year ago
we named ourselves Magyars not Huns but that's Ok, i'm just being jerk now ^^
pappflora12 1 year ago
There are a few interesting grammatical coincidences with Estonian and some bits of Gaelic though: usage of "Grand-" as in Grandfather/mother... instead "Old-" is used.
Seanathair - vana(old)-isa(father)
The usage of the word "Weather or Clouds" in a negative
ilma (without/ weather) / neamh (clouds)
mitte (not/non)
ilma millegita (without anything)
neamh-mhiotalacha (non-metal; directly into Estonian mittemetall)
RyanRyzzo 1 year ago
One thing is certain; the most basic words in Hungarian are also basic in Uralic languages. Which definitely suggests a Uralic->Ugric connection. Basic near-to-home words usually stay in the family.
some examples:
ütś - üks - egy - one
katś - kaks - kettő/két - two
süda - szív - heart
kala - guol - hal - fish
silm - čalbmi - szem - eye
RyanRyzzo 1 year ago
it is known that there are many relations between uralic and altaic languages. thus, they re sometimes classified as ural-altaic languages. its not a mystery.
Flaeren 1 year ago
These words are not just Slovenian or Serbian or Polish, these words are also Bulgarian. In some Bulgarian dialects cat is "мачка", room is "соба" - just like in Serbian. There is also a word "погача", "еклер", "диня", "палачинка", some days of the week from wednesday to saturday, turkey is "пуйка", cherry - "череша", hen - "кокошка", whirl - "вихър", and we also say "be" when we want to draw attention to someone, like "come on", but it sounds offensive in Bulgarian.
stoyanfourn 1 year ago
@stoyanfourn the interesting thing is that Hungarians already used these words in the Scythian steppes, not only after they took control of the Carpathian Basin.
Also, Bulgarians basically spoke a dialect of scythian language, thus related to magyar and turk as well.
Verdisyofi 1 year ago
@Verdisyofi the interesting thing however is, that Scythian language appears to be an iranian language, rather than turkic language. It is most probbable, that both Finno-Ugric and Bulgar-Turkic tribes are descendant from the Huns.
By the way, another Hungarian word - tolmács is similar to the Old Bulgarian "тълмач" and the Turkish "dilmaç" and has preserved the same meaning. The Bulgarian word "тълкувам" (to interpret) is derived from the above Old Bulgarian word for interpreter.
stoyanfourn 1 year ago
@stoyanfourn "appears to be an iranian language, rather than turkic language". It is unfortunately just a theory without a single evidence.
Scythian is very close to old Turkic, but much closer to Hungarian, and has little connection with the Iranian. By the way, old turkic is more similar to Hungarian than modern Turkic.
But remember, the name "Turk" is an arabic word for "Scythian".
Scythian is a group, like the Indo-European.
Verdisyofi 1 year ago
@stoyanfourn "палачинка" has a latin origine (placenta), and was transmitted by the Romanian language (palacinta) in the Sclavic languages and in the Hungarian
kkornel87 1 year ago
@kkornel87 and how did it get to turkic languages?
I know, in the socialist era everything on earth was of slavic origin...
In the 1800s, everything on earth was of german origin...
It depends on who rules the country.
Verdisyofi 1 year ago
@Verdisyofi I think , by the expansion of food names was the political and the economocal state never so important. Middle-European countries liked this sweetie so much, that "palacinta" has anchored also in Austria (Palatschinken). - But German people, who don't know this food, don't use this word...
kkornel87 1 year ago
This vid is joke, isn't it? Hungarian language has about 30% words of slavic origin. There is also lots of hungarian words of german origin. When nomadic tribes from Asia came to Europe(magyar=hungarian was name of only one tribe) they vocabulary was really poor compared to they new neigboor. As you can see, they didn't even have words as brother or sister.
666sickness 1 year ago
@666sickness
"Hungarian language has about 30% words of slavic origin" - prove it. Tell me only 10 words in hungarian which is from slavic origin. 30% omg, do you really think we borrowed 150.000 words from slavic? Are you crazy?
"magyar=hungarian was name of only one tribe" - to be more exact, the leading tribe of Scythia.
"vocabulary was really poor compared to they new neigboor" - prove it.
What you say is not only incorrect, but illogical too.
Verdisyofi 1 year ago
@Verdisyofi When dealing with words count only root of every word is counted in. So 150.000 words is of course bullshit. Prove to their poor vocabulary is number of words which were borrowed from other languages. Do you want 10 words of slavic origin? Here you are: kása - kaša - gruel, cseresznye - čerešne - cherries, ebéd - obed - lunch, kovács - kováč - smith, pálinka - pálenka - spirit, vihar - víchor - storm, puska - puška - rifle, kulcs - kľúč - key, macska - mačka - cat, deszka - deska
666sickness 1 year ago
@666sickness
macska - mačka (in slovakian only; for czech, russian it's kocka)
vihar - víchor (in slovakian only; for czech, russian it's bouře)
cseresznye - čerešne (in slovakian only; czech,russian it's třešeň, cherij)
pálinka - pálenka (of course it is pálinka everywhere because it is the name of the hungarian drink... just like whiskey is whiskey and vodka is vodka everywhere)
It seems that slovaks adapted from Hungarians, that's all...
Verdisyofi 1 year ago
@Verdisyofi Mačka-macska is Serbian, Croatian, Slovenian word too. Víchor-vihar Czech vichřice, Slovene vihar, Croatian vihar. Cseresznye - čerešne - Czech třešně, Slovene črešnja - it's pronounced almost the same way. And what about pálinka, yes, now it's name of alcohol. But it has also Slovak origin. That word is derived from word páliť (to burn), according to the way how it is produced... There are so many other words, but I'm not going to write them here. Open your mind and use google :)
666sickness 1 year ago
@666sickness Surprisingly to me, the more words I check, the better I can see that slavic language differs: those slavic countries who live close to Hungary, speak a different slavic language than those who live far away from Hungary.
Also, I have to admit that I strongly believe that Hungarians and Slavs have common ancient roots, as they all have the Scythian haplotype in their DNA. It might affect the language as well.
Verdisyofi 1 year ago
@Verdisyofi But if countries close to Hungary speak different slavic, which is closer to Hungarian, while far away slavic countries speak less similar slavic, it means this is Hungarian affection on the Slavic countries, and not vice versa.
Nobody knows what language did the slavs speak before turning into Orthodox Christianity, but it is likely that they were speaking some Scythian dialect.
The language differed from Hungarian because Hungarians never took Orthodox religion.
Verdisyofi 1 year ago
@666sickness also, the more I learn about the age of AD 1 to AD 1000, the more I start to believe that the difference between Slavs and Hungarians is only their development line. When we go back in time to Attila the Hun's age, we cannot find slavs exactly, we can find only Western Huns here, who where caucasian people. Much later, when Cyrill and Method start their religious mission, many ex-hun tribes form smaller Slavic nations.
Maybe slavs and huns started to differ because of religion?
Verdisyofi 1 year ago
@666sickness
"hey didn't even have words as brother or sister" - we have much more advanced expression for that: "testvér" - regardless of being male or female.
In the Scythian culture, women were not inferior to men. In their beliefs they were all equals, so it does not matter what the gender is.
Yes, there is no brother or sister, he or she, his or her in Hungarian, but we have unisex expressions for that. Gender does not matter in Scythian cultures.
Verdisyofi 1 year ago
@666sickness
Yes, there are a lot of words with slavic origin. Isn't it nice? This one of a proof, that slavic peoples weren't surpressed by hungarians, but tolerated and highly appreciated.
soge84x 1 year ago
@Verdisyofi Hahaha, thats true man. Well, my full name is Romanian but my mother is Hungarian. Thus, I also speak Hungarian, which to be honest is much much nicer than Romanian. No offence. What Verdisyofi just said is perfectly agreeable.
But truth is, Transylvania todays is the product of many cultures and this is why it is such a beautiful place.
rRosuGalbenAlbastru 1 year ago
i'm glad I found this. nice video. lots of people are thinking that hungarian came from russian and stuff like that.
laeccc 1 year ago
Rákattintottam egy másik videóra melynek a cime: 14000 year old hungarian runic script in ethiopia. WOW, esküszöm csak azután vettem észre, hogy irtam az etióp kollégámról....
bazelka 1 year ago
Nagyon belemerültem.... a lényeg: arra kérnélek, hogy nézz utána a holland nyelvvel milyen hasonlóságaink vannak- ugyanis vannak. Azt nemtudom, hogy eddig nyelvészek miért nem vették észre. Nagyon sok közös szavunk van és ragozásban is találtam hasonlóságot. Csak ráadásnak: van egy etióp munkatársam is, saját irott számaik vannak, eléggé hasonlit a rovásirásra...... ha nyelvész volnék, nagyon eltudnék merülni a témában. ui: a billentyűzetemen nincsen hosszú i)
bazelka 1 year ago
Szia! Nagyon érdekes a video! Éppen ma beszélgettem egy szlovák munkatársammal arról, hogy ő mit gondol az ő népének mi a története, nos se eleje se vége nemvolt. Meséltem neki a magyar nyelvről, a kultúránkról, nem hatotta meg hiszen ők az iskolában azt tanulják, hogy Békéscsaba nagyrészt szlovák lakta település és ezzel utalgatnak arra, hogy a kárpátmedence az ő területük volt, mi vettük el.........
bazelka 1 year ago
Rotfl, dude. Its good your a patriot and immortilise your country.
But in fact many things its just not so cool as you said. I would say same things for almost every country. So whats the big deal?
Check germans, spaniards, scandinavians, slavians, aborigens and so on...
Man, every history got its start, legend and all the stuff.
Dasstin 1 year ago
@Dasstin this vid is for those who wish to explore the origin of Hungarian language. It has nothing to do with germans, spaniards or such.
The big deal is that Hungarians is are the last folks on Earth who speak this extremely old language without significant changes.
English ppl just can't understand the English language from Shakespeare's age, while we can understand some thousand years old texts.
And yeah, that's cool.
Verdisyofi 1 year ago
@Verdisyofi I absolutely agree...not many languages can do this.
English and the other European languages did not even exist when Hungarians already had their own writing...but actually, I think that theis language is only called Hungarian for the last thousand years...
I am glad someone created this video...i am sooo bored with the Finnish connection...it will take some time before it will be forgotten.
opal1969 1 year ago
Such an interesting biblical, historical language. Fascinating!
lilyrose367 1 year ago
@lilyrose367 Thank you for the compliment! :)
Verdisyofi 1 year ago
Turkey loves Hungary
our first ancestors are the huns
xxTurquiaxx 1 year ago