"Myśle że nie było możliwe mniej niż 20 lat po upadku muru zostawić najwiekszy kraj Europy wschodniej. hmhmhmh Chcem żeby każdy obliczył co to by znaczyło dla Europy po reunifikacji Europy podzielonej za murem zamierzać iść do przodu w 26 bez 27. W czasie kryzysu moglibysmy o tym rozważyć ale myśle że jednak było ważne zatrzymać jedność europejską. Dziękuje wam wszystkim."
Po angielsku nie zrobie niech sobie sami radzą.
NIE UFAĆ TO WĘGIERSKI ŻYD. ale trzyma sie grzecznie.
@Limonnes I am not too old but I remember when all the Europe was so enthusiastic about falling of the comunism in Polnad and joining the "Europe" Now when it's trying to rise even when it's being used so much by other countries (cheap and hard working labour) it is being hated. The spoiled West cannot afford being now without Poland...
@wank0r i once saw a BBC documentary film about immigrant workers in UK. The truth is that they are working hard, but the British people can't handle the work level that immigrants do. Sad but true.
@nielllubieRS hah i once saw a bbc documentary, and you ate it right up you dum dum idiot. jeez. where does the money they earn go smartass? not back into the economy but HOME to their families, into bank accounts saved up, they spend in polish shops,polish bakerys (wtf like tescos bread range isnt good enough fror these cockroaches), once they get into a job they get all their relatives/friends in and take over.so NO they dont contribute much.they always will be now-cockroaches.
@kaiiserSouze Life in Poland is hard, so they go to Britain for money, that they can't find in Poland. As you can see they have better predispositons than British and others. No matter how loud you can scream on the internet, as long as this is legal they will do this for their families. Stop insulting me. And stop crying QQ
@kaiiserSouze The money that Poles earn and save wherever, will be spent it in Poland maybe but in Tesco's -British(a bunch of products there are made in the UK and other countries), Carrefour - French, E. Leclerc - French, Lidl - German (most german products) and many others like that. The money will go back anyway where it came from and sadly you guys have millions coming from Poland. This huge companies here pay people incredible crap of 250€/month having enormous benefits at the time!!Stupid
Oh sure. So probably you shold know that Dmowskis book was nothing special according to the other books written by the right-wing politics from other european countries. Poland was liberal, so anyone could write what thouth is right, but the true is that polish nationalist was against the national socialists, they were national democrats, and many of them helped jews during II WW. So if you cannot see the difference between deed and word then i wish you good luck.
Double-dealing nation of cowards with only very few significant units having real influence and generating real benefit for the sake of the rest of Europe. And this ear-hurting language ...
People, stop trying to rewrite history ok? I am not saying that ALL Germans are horrible people. BUT most of them were during Hitler's time. Same goes to Poles. Not ALL Poles are good people. It's the same thing with every other nation or ethnicity. Ever since Hitler came to power he wanted to invade other countries, specifically Poland. He even signed a peace treaty with Poland that should last 10 years. Of course he violated that treaty. Same with the USSR treaty.
@Lomza96 That kind of nonsense "BUT most of them [Germans] were [horrible people] during Hitler's time" is such the sort of idiocy that I won't bother answering to. And you're so biased that you think if Hitler renounced a treaty that the POLES were violating EVERY DAY (as in the treatment of German minorities while the Treaty was supposed to be in force) it was always HITLER who broke the treaties. You're ignorant of too many historical facts and rely on propaganda nonsense. Lean something.
@historatia Look you little ignorant prick. I read BOOKS ok, not some Wikipedia or other bull site.
Grow up, face the facts and finally shut up. I think everyone here is already fed up with your constant negativity and of course your bullshit. Now go to a library and read something. Perhaps Alice in Wonderland will suit you better, because you definitely cannot comprehend real history. DANKE
@Lomza96 Well Lomza, my wife never expressed any disappointed, and I AGREE with you!!! My prick -- old and shrivelled as it is IS IGNORANT INDEED. That's why I DO NOT THINK WITH IT! Since your "tool" has been given the gift of thought you should probably display it for world. Does you smart prick talk too? Is it a real voice or just a tiny pip-squeak?
"People steal your national roots and you're expected to be loyal to the thieves?" There you go. Germany or Prussia (the name changes often) stole Polish lands during partitions, settled in Volksdeutsche V-column, and when Poland regained them cried bloody wolf all the way until WW2. The hypocricy is the same throughout the ages: Steal, settle, get kicked, claim innocence and whine forever. It's like a broken record that keeps playing the same stupid tune.
"Then we won't get so confused with your convolutions." I only made your convolutions planer, so that the less informed here don't have to go through your endless postings to get the drift of the message.
@flyabroom You can copyright "Ger-n-any" to if you want. Listen, if I had to slow down and correct all the typing mistakes, then I couldn't keep up with all of you young speedy pups that keep running off in these contradictory directions at the same time causing me such grief 23 hours a day. I don't even have time to join derMIT in slawojki now and again. Besides, with my "vile imagination" (did I get that right?) I can always come up with another name.
@historatia "Disgusting. Poles ran killing camps. Period!"
Just like they ran Nazi camps in Poland and Shlomo is an ethnic "Polish" name??? In camps you are screaming about, Poles -who fought the German-Soviet occupation were being held and murdered. Without the 1939 German-Soviet invasion - that brought the fascist and communist murderers to Poland, and then their cleansing of the Polish elites (~15% of ethnic Poles), there would NOT be any communism in Poland. NEVER. PERIOD! YOU GOT THAT?
@flyabroom Don't Shout Fly, You might have a heat attack. So now the "nationality" is determined by the "name" or the "religion"? I'm well aware of the Pole on Pole violence in the camps. Oh, yes, it did bring the facists and communists in. True. Cleansing Polish elites? Well some yes. There wouldn't be any communism? Not sure about that. After all, you took to it pretty well, and despite the oppression of communists in Poland. Now:
@flyabroom 1) if there hadn't been the foolish Treaty of Versailles that created Poland, and the imbalances in the power balances, then the peace might much more easily have been maintained.
2) The Poles hadn't IMMEDIATELY gone on the warpath against Soviet Russia Poland would not have made a HUGE enemy on its eastern side.
3) the Poles hadn't immediately gone on a massive, atrocity filled ethnic cleansing push (Galicia, etc) Poland would not have made enemies of every body else.
4) If Poland had not tried on 3 separate occasions to induce the French into a two-fronted war against Germany, -- the last in 1936 -- it might not have made such a bitter enemy of the Germans on Poland's west.
5) If Poland hadn't strarngled a German Danzig and exproriated the lands in the corridor from the Germans to force then out, then it might not have made such an enemy of the Germans.
6) If Poland hadn't closed off the treaty guaranteed rail and road crossings (including the killing of some germans in sabatoged trains in locked and sealed railway cars, the German might not have become so aggravated.If Poland hadn't stopped the German winter heat coal shipments by rail into East Prussia causing a coal rationing in the dead of winter for hundreds of thousands of people, then another major irritant would not have existed.
7. The triumvirate of Edward Rydz-Śmigły, President Ignacy Mościcki, Józef Beck hadn't worked so hard to deny the almost 400,000 Gemans in Danzig of THEIR RIGHT TO SELF-DETERMINATION they might not have made bitter enemies of ALL Germans who believed then and now that the Danzigers were ENTITLED to that right, and the RIGHT to join they families in GERMANY.
8) If these brilliant leaders hadn't been so DUMB as to be TAKEN IN by the British and French who USED Poland like a stupid tethered goat for their games of empire, and acted with greater prudence rather than continually wave the red flag in front of a HItler who was not longer tethered by the Weimar constitution, then the political tensions would not have been needlessly inflamed.
9) if Pilsudski had not allowed his sense of future empire east to the Volga to operate from 1919 until his death the Prometheism program, interfering in Soviet INTERNAL affairs, and Beck, and Józef Beck and Ignacy Mościckiby had not operated on establishing their new Miedmorze Empire (with the intent to slice or a chunk of Germany with the 1936 negotiations for a pre-emptive war) then the political heat might not have risen to the ignition point.
10) If after Poland invaded Teschen, and Hitler backed down to give Poland sovereignty over Teschen with its MINORITY of Polish population, but MAJOR resources, Beck had kept his work with Hitler to negotiate the Danzig issue rather than BREAK his word and REFUSE to discuss anything -- believing he had the French and British military backing him -- then the heat would not have risen to the ignition point, -- In my view.
For the THIRD time: How in the world giving the German Reich Gdansk and a corridor would have prevented German expansionism and WW2. Keeping in mind that Germany INVADED and occupied: Austria, Czechoslovakia, Poland, France, Belgium, Holland, Denmark, Norway, Yugoslavia, Greece, USSR, etc. and attempted to take England? WHY if it was ALL about and because of Poland, as you claim? Your demonstrable hate for the Poles causes you to lose all faculty for logical analysis.
@flyabroom It STARTED with Poland, but the FRENCH and BRITS and pals declared WAR on GERMANY, and THAT began the march to a world war. Hitler waited throughout the "phony war" period and even sent HESS to the UK hoping to have it end and get into negotiations BEFORE THE HORRIFIC PART STARTED -- but the greater powers would not let it stop by negotiations and then came the phrase "unconditional surrender". For the last time, Fly in strategic matters your seem to be a complete neophyte.
@flyabroom The Polish German irritations were only and irritant that started the whole thing. Once the flames were fanned, then the US and Russians got themselves started. The Poles, Edward Rydz-Śmigły, President Ignacy Mościcki, Józef Beck acted the fools with great dreams. Hitler let success get to his head, and between them they started it. I will not start a series to teach you the issues of strategic conduct of war. You'll have to learn that on your own.
"HORRIFIC PART STARTED" with German bombings of Wielun, Warsaw and all the other Polish cities. The civilized world COULD NOT tolerate this! In the initila stages, England repeatedly asked Germany to immediately withdraw from Poland. Germany responded with SILENCE. "Horrific parts" did not start all by themselves. Hitler had an ARMY of willing executioners.
@flyabroom Or did you mean "horrific" in the sense that the "willing executioners" of the British Empire (the great friends of the Polish) killed tens of thousand of Boers in south Africa a few years before then, killing OVER 50% of the CHILDREN OF THE BOERS in "horrific" concentration camps at the turn of the century or Polish slaughtering of Ukraining civilians in Galicia. I had actually meant the increase in scale of war after June 1941.
@flyabroom Or did you mean "horrific" in the sense that the "willing executioners" of the British Empire (the great friends of the Polish) killed tens of thousand of Boers in south Africa a few years before then, killing OVER 50% of the CHILDREN OF THE BOERS in "horrific" concentration camps at the turn of the century or Polish slaughtering of Ukrainian civilians in Galicia. I had actually meant the increase in scale of war after June 1941.
@flyabroom Of course the "horrific parts" -- the pre-emptive attack on the Stalins Soviet forces priming themselves for a march into Europe -- didn't start by itself. Hitler ordered it, feeling forced into it. The civilized world could not TOLERATE the Geman bombings of Wielun, Warsaw, etc? Well the civilized world couldn't exactly handle the Polish behaviour of inciting a Polish-French pre-emptive war into Germany either,
@flyabroom or the and the refusal to grant "self-determination" rights the Germans of Danzig and Austria who sought to join their German cousins, or the Polish renouncing the Minority Right part of the Versailles Treaty. The Polish actions of ethnic cleansings became issues discussed even in the British House, and the Canadian Parliament.
@flyabroom Fly, Versailles set the stage, and the POLES WILLINGLY MADE IT WORSE with (a) their cold war against the Germans (repeatedly soliciting an aggressive French-Polish war on Germany, Danzig, etc.) and (b) anti-Soviet attacks, (the 1919-1922 war and the Prometheism program to destabilize Stalin's Soviet Union) so POLAND REAPED WHAT IT SOWED, a Hitler-Stalin war on Poland. THEN POLAND HAS THE GALL TO COMPLAIN?. Go complain to Pilsudski, Rydz-Śmigły, Mościcki, and Beck!
You are DELUSIONAL, and can’t stop fabricating history to the template planted in your vile imagination. So far, you have insulted the Poles, Brits, French, Norwegians, and who knows who else in your web “travels.” Like I said, write your “book” already, so we can all have a better peak at your unique condition.
@flyabroom But Fly, be more open-minded. I can back up EVERYTHING I've written, even from sources on the internet, much of it on Wikipaedia. You know, its all in how you connect the dots. THESE dots really go well together. Look up the word 'Prometheism' on google. Pilsudski's dream and actions that so severely annoyed the Russians are all there! I'm not misleading you. Show some respect please.
@flyabroom Go read up on it. Poland, a "dictatorship without a dictator.... various Piłsudskite factions, led by ... Edward Rydz-Śmigły, President Ignacy Mościcki, and Beck himself." Poland wasn't a sweet innocent democaracy, Sly.. "Beck also ... explored ...realizing .. Piłsudski's ... Międzymorze .. federation of central and eastern European countries stretching from the Baltic Sea to the Black Sea and — in later variants — from the Arctic Ocean to the Mediterranean Sea." CRAZY. No delusion
@flyabroom More Sly, "Namier alleged that Bonnet (Czechoslovakia) had snubbed AN OFFER BY BECK in May 1938 to have POLAND COME TO THE AID OF CZECHOSLOVAKIA IN THE EVENT OF A GERMAN ATTACK. That was the leading man in Poland SEEKING WAR with GERMANY. As historian AFP Taylor (Oxford) wrote. "Between two flicks of the ash off his cigarette..(Beck) . the illusory great Poland signed her death warrant."
"POLAND COME TO THE AID OF CZECHOSLOVAKIA IN THE EVENT OF A GERMAN ATTACK." Is that what Beck said? If so, then I like him for that already. ALL of Europe should have come to the aid of Czechoslovakia, and especially Poland, Britain and France. Invasion of Czechoslovakia was illegal and a prelude to WW2. Yes, NOT Poland but Austria and Czechoslovakia were really the start of WW2. Both invasions showed Hitler's true intentions for Europe. Later it just continued as planned.
@flyabroom Prelude to WW2? Czechoslovakia? Well not really!. VERSAILLES was the "prelude" to WW2. Many of the more intelligent observers predicted that another was made inevitable by it. The Austrians were HUGELY in favour of joining Germany whether you like it or not. So you think Beck was "smart" to offer Czehoslovakia military help, which was really a pretext to get the Brits and French into military action against Germany -- as you suggest. Wow. How WARMONGERING is that! True colours Fly?
@flyabroom Let me give you, my WARMONGERING little Fly, a suggestion that falls out of the study of history. "If you want to avoid war and have peace, then work for justice". Versailles was the most egregious example to the contrary. Sometime you should read the files on the discussions between Ribbentrop and Beck about the renewal of the German-Polish Friendship Treaty first signed in 1934. When Polish injustice refused to implement its provision, the Germans left the table.
@flyabroom Vile imagination? The majority of what I've written is even available for your inspection on the internet, (British House of Commons debates, etc etc.) What's imaginary about that? I've insulted nobody. I've only frustrated those who work so hard to build up a false image of Poland rather than admit the truth, and then use the "Germans are evil ..." mantra as a completely inappropriate basis for justifying Polish existence. Does Poland stand for anything other the anti-Germanism?
@flyabroom After all, that was really the basis of Sarkozy's comments. So lets ask again. Has Poland ANYTHING other to offer to the EU other than a penchant for a troublesome and incessant "go it alone" and its "anti-German" rant? Anything Fly? Anything at all? (And your fabled fantasy of a glorious past won't cut it!). Anything? Just what would Poland CONTRIBUTE to the pot while its trying to TAKE so much from it? Anything?
"If you want to avoid war and have peace, then work for justice". And justice, in your view, is German Nazi invasion and barbaric occupation of Poland? The planned extermination of the whole nation and distruction of all Polish cities? Justice, in your mind, is your questioning the existence of Poland? Is this your "justice"?Naturally, in your bizarre Nazi logic, justice will only be when Germany has all of Europe by the throat. Vile, racist and twisted imagination indeed!
@flyabroom Since you added the question marks I will answers in order: No, no, no, no, and the rest I disagree with. "justice" is what the Danzigers, the Sudeten Germans and the Austrian Germans were entitled to! That's what it is in MY MIND, and I really would ask you to let ME speak for ME as I let YOU speak for YOU. You will notice that I do not try to tell you what YOU think, so please try NOT to tell me what YOU think I think OK? Then we won't get so confused with your convolutions.
@flyabroom I put out the challenge for you to LIST some of the characteristics of Poland that would give Sarkozy reason to reconsider his rather negative view of Poland. And what do you offer Fly, ANOTHER ERROR. Are you THAT blind?. Anybody who looks at what Sarkozy decided to pair up with KNOWS that he CANNOT POSSIBLY be interested in "khozy boobs". I don't think his tall thin lady has a pair!!! Despite that, here you are, offering up a few of your Polish floozies with "boobs"? That won't do
But look, from the beginning, I am not very interested in what Mr Sarkozy thinks about Poland. He is still young and inexperienced and his priorities seem a little "convoluted" at times. There is another copywright-worthy expression for it: "I don't give a flying shoe" unless somebody else can nudge it in that direction.
@flyabroom You can't use that! Its copyright to the Iraqi who threw the shoe at George W. Bush and missed (unfortunately), to leave it for them. Like it or not, he's the guy the french elected, using thei people's right to choose their sovereign. So you're stuck with him.
Incidentally, did the Iraqi ever get his shoe back? It's gotta be worth a fortune now. When it comes to Sarko, the polls (and some Poles) show that even the French have had enough of him.
@flyabroom Answer: Don't know, but yes, VERY valuable symbolic artifact of history. Agreed on Sarkozy. Lesson: In 1919 to 1939, BOTH Poles and Germans needed to have the SOVEREIGNTY IN THEIR HANDS that people have now, to DUMP leaders who go off on benders. Neither people did, or the horrors would now have happened. (My view)
@flyabroom First, look at the bright side. He is the French leader, and therefore NOT in a position to do the kind of damage that a Josef Beck, Stalin, Pilsudski could do. He's not a tyrant! (good) He's a small fish in the overall structure of the EU (Good), if the French don't like him they WILL get a chance to dump him (unlike the phony Polish democracy with Beck, etc. In any event. His 'power' is VERY limited. Are you looking for 'direct election' by Europeans of a 'President'? I'm willing.
@flyabroom You are unlikely to get a Polish veto on who the French choose to have talk for them Besides, the Europoean parliament doesn't and won't be answerable to the president of France, or any other "national" politician, at least not according to my 'vile imagination'. You can safely ignore him (Like everybody else does).
@flyabroom You know, on reflection you should remember that Poland not only stood ALONE against ALL 26 other countries about the Lisbon Treaty, and in 2008 threatened a VETO, being all by itself in trying to block talks between the EU and Russia. There must be something in the Polish water supply to use a "we will not talk to them" approach to solving problems. (Look what it got you in 1939.) Fortunately Donald Tusk is more flexible. Who taints the drinking water there?
Josef Beck, Pilsudski, Dmowski and few other good Poles tried to stop the history's greatest genocidal freaks, like Stalin, Hitler, Lavrentiy Beria, and others in themost genocidal totalitarian systems of Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia that the world had ever seen. Unfortunately they failed because the Western "allies" did not want to admit how correct the Poles were (again) in their assessment of the situation.
@flyabroom When you finish fabricating a fraudulent story retrofitted as a holy mission for their ugly power gab with is own killing fields the point was that the POLISH people had the sovereignty that rightfully belonged to them STOLEN by these guys just like Stalin and Hitler stole it from Russians and Germans. Predators and thieves.
But you accused them of plotting against these totalitarian, murderous and genocidal freaks - did you not? What to you was an "evil" plot, to others was a "holly" mission, and could have been a savior. What happened in Europe next is proof positive that you are wrong and they were right.
But you accused them of plotting against these totalitarian, murderous and genocidal freaks - did you not? What to you was an "evil" plot, to others was a "holly" mission, and could have been a savior. What happened in Europe next is proof positive that you are wrong and they were right.
@flyabroom Again you've forgotten and ignored the CRITICAL part. The PILSUDSKI GANG did NOT have the "right of sovereignty" granted by the Polish PEOPLE to then, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THAT RIGHT, engage in those aggressive actions. THEY ACTED LIKE HITLER! THEY JUST TOOK POWER AND WENT TO WAR! I tell you that if they had NOT done that and NOT operated the Prometheism project Stalin might NEVER had made Polish Partition the price for the Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact!! Would Hitler have DARED? I doubt it.
@historatia Again, Pilsudski "gang" was restoring the Polish pre-partitions borders, with full support of the Poles, and sadly failed in completing the mission. "Gangs" that were plotting, against any resurrection of Poland, were in the Soviet union and Germany.
@flyabroom For Pilsudski and his gang to decide UNILATERALLY to go back to borders that were in force 122 years before, and against the organized peace of Versailles --- and to do it without the formal ratification of a democratically elected Polish mandate authorized by the PEOPLE meant that they were acting JUST LIKE HITLER DID two decades later. WRONG thing to do (especially when you then LOSE).
@flyabroom Think Fly, in justifying the actions of Pilsudski's gang, YOU are, by implicatino justifying the same actions by Hitler, Fly. I only pointed that out because I DISAGREE with the way Hitler went about it, and BEMOAN the fact that the Pilsudski Polish gang were such a terrible example with its aggressions and ethnic cleansings and intransigence on Danzigers getting their RIGHT of self-determination!.
@historatia "Unilateral" and "cleansing" words seem to come to you quite naturally. Why am I not surprised?
122 yeras before, tri-laterally, neigbors decided to take Poland apart, regardless of what Poles thought about it. 122 years later, by "implication," it was the Poles turn to do the same in reverse. Pilsudski had a majority support for the war effort. "Self-determination" of "Danzingers" the German way, under Adolf? Hahaha. You're not only a revisionist but a funny one too.
@flyabroom Fly.. If Danzigers and Austrian Germans had been given their 'self-determination' rights it would have been in 1919 or 1920, long BEFORE Hitler. YOU got Hitler stuck into Poland's face BECAUSE that was not done. Without the injustices of Versailles, Hitler would NEVER have come to power in Germany and I doubt that there would ever have been a WW2.
The PROBLEM is that your "justices of Versailles" would exclude Poland. You question the very existence of Poland as an independent country, Poles as a nation. Versailles "righted" the injustice of Poland's partitions by three dictatorships, ruled by ruthless elites of all kinds, and returned Poland to its place in Europe. Poland has been a "problem" to these elites because it was always more libertarian, republican and democratic than the others. It's what you wish to FALSIFY.
@flyabroom Versailles 'righted' the injustices of Poland's partition, but in a manner which dumped Poland into WW2 and then the decimation of 50 years of Russian communist overlordship. If that's your idea of its "place in Europe" then you're welcome to it. Poland was NOT more republican, or libertarian, and NOBODY but you describes its status after 1928 as "democratic" It was FASCIST with Pilsudski and a handful of guys (irrresponsible ones as that). None of this is falsification.
As I said, Poland has been a "problem" to these elites because it was always more libertarian, republican and democratic than the others. It's what you wish to FALSIFY. And FALSIFY you try, in your consistently revisionist, racist, phobic and anti-Polish posts.
@flyabroom Well Fly.. the adjectives keep changing, but the simple truth is that I don't falsify. I don't need to. I'm "revisonist" to what? Your views don't have the status of "orthodoxy" and truth. Phobic is an irrational fear. What do you think I'm afraid of? anti-Polish. No, except for a few rapid mythologically driven polish nationaists, I have no problems with Poles. I dimply disagree with your mythological view of Poland and Poles. I don't agree with your description. So now what?
@flyabroom Racist? As I've written, I don't even know what a "race" is, because I don't know what "markers" you can use. Even the Haplogroups really ONLY indicate the direction vectors of group migration. Those DNA markets have NEVER been related to anything else depite many efforts. So, No, I'm not racist in the least. I just won't let you spin all those delusional yarns Fly, using conflicting lines of argument to suit your desired outcome. Poland more democratic. Nonsense. Troika fascist!
Your ENVY of the traditional Polish freedoms, democracy and tolerance, which were unlike anywhere in continental Europe of the time, is showing in most of your posts, last one included. Well, now even Germany became more democratic. Can you see how progressive the Poles, that you hate so much, were so many hundreds of years before anybody cought on to it?
@flyabroom Your mind is spinning yarns, Fly, pure fables!. Your "traditional Polish freedoms, democracy and tolerance," is a line of propaganda mythology which fits into the "BIG LIE" category. The Polish reality was exactly the opposite, with a tradition of oligarchic, undemocratic politics; semi-feudalism social/economic structure; and strong anti-semitism and you were never any different. Nobody envies life in Poland.
@flyabroom My WORD! Fly, I was roaming to another vid where your insightful comments are to be found to find someone who referred to you as an "occulist (concealer)". MY WORD... you must really have spun a yarn for that commentator.. How could he have come to know you so VERY WELL. So, I guess you belong to a Polish "occultist" group to "conceal" the truth, and here aer using the 'BIG LIE' technique.... Fear not ...
@flyabroom ... There will always be a place for you in the propaganda department of the "Republic of West Prussia and Kashubia", (unless you hit on the lovely Anjouian princess Hedwig who will be our "liege lady"). Fly the "Occultist" has a nice poetic ring to it don't you think? if you add a drummer, a sax player and a guitarist (I recommend Slash redux) you could merchandise yourselves as the Polish Occultists!! You can play tunes from Poland's great glorious heroic past!
@historatia There are things you cannot buy or swindle, and people you cannot bribe histeriata. Your virtual recycle bin republic will have plenty of propagandists from the numerous legions of the easily led and manipulated neo-Nazi misfits and unemployed that populate similar sites. You will be their all-in-one gift from hell, a savior, and coup de grâce. Sort of like some Adolf once was to another horde of easily manipulated, victims of promises, lust, greed and propaganda. Have fun.
@historatia • There are things you cannot buy or swindle, people you cannot bribe histeriata. Your virtual recycle bin republic will have plenty of propagandists from the numerous legions of easily led and manipulated neo-Nazi unemployed misfits that populate “prussen” type sites. You will be their all-in-one gift from hell, a savior, and coup de grâce. Sort of like Adolf once was to another horde of easily led, victims of promises, lust, greed and propaganda. Have fun taking them there.
@flyabroom Are you trying to tell me that in Poland there are no people that will try to swindle you or take your bribes? Are you quite sure about that. And the only reason that Danzig does not look like a recycle bin is from all that flotsam and jetsum that the careless "upriver people" have dumped into the river, for our poor legions of easily led and manipulated neo-Nazi unemployed misfitsto clean up.But first we have to find Hedwig. We'll consult with Sarkozy!
@historatia Ah, the old "race is a myth" bit again, is it? Do you really think that you're going to lull people into a hypnotic stupor with all your esoteric jargon about "Haplogroups" and "direction vectors"? Who exactly is the "occultist (concealer)", here? Do you think your bombastic blather can erase the reality that any man can see with his own two eyes? Different phenotype = different genotype. PERIOD. Trying to claim that there's no difference between a Norwegian and a Kenyan is insane.
@flyabroom Now I'm a revisionist? Well the BS propaganda fables need to be torn down, have the falsehoods stripped, and the ignored truths -- like Poland's aggressive conduct -- have to be added back in. Then we have to re-connect the dots to get a truer picture of the past. That's what honest historians do. Funny? Only when I choose.
@flyabroom You said, "Pilsudski had majority support for the war effort". Two points. First, Pilsudski had the obligation to gain a LEGITIMATE MANDATE from the Polish people FIRST!. He did not have that. Second, that "support" you speak of is NOT TRUE. It was a creation of the PROPAGANDA of The Pilsudski gang, (just like the Hitler gang later!). Screaming newspaper headlines is NOT public support. The Polish people supported war? Who says? You? I say they MANIPULATED Polish people for "glory".
@Psylocibowy Actually no I haven't. I've never seen a ukrinian historical-fiction movie, or any ukrainian movie at all. Nor am I Ukrainian. I've learned my history the hard way; diligently tearing up the propaganda to discard and finally coming to the truth at the base, using "original documents" as much as possible.
@flyabroom Without the War, Hitler would have continued to force the Jews out of Germany (there were only 500,000) and he certainly would have continued until he at least got Danzig back (It wasn't Polish in any case), but I doubt very much that the rest of the Horror of 1939 to 1945 would have occurred. I repeat, Poland with aggression and anti-Soviet actions (not to speak of its preemptive war aims with France) made a major contribution to the unfolding of the Great Horror. Such that up Fly.
Your "Hitler would not" assertion is useless. Hitler annexed Austria and Czechoslovakia before attacking Poland, screamed about "living space" for the Germans in the East, and then proceeded to attack most of Europe, Soviet union included. But we have discussed all this before.
If you didn't I wouldn't bother with a missed letter or two, because I know that if you stay (or sit) up late at nights answering to your call of duty, it can cause all sorts of disorders, including hemorrhoids. Anyway, your previous post keeps up with the humor. I will personally give you thumbs up for it.
Poland has no less and maybe no more than others to offer Europe. Time will tell. Poland in its long and fruitful history, however, has made more meaningful and substantial contributions to the European family than all of the Germanic principalities put together. For without Poland defending Europe's frontiers there would NOT be any Europe. It's the past that you are envious of, and the truth that Nazi revisionists will never openly admit to. That's why you want to doctor it.
@flyabroom Glad you finally got to answering this important question. So now we have it that Poland:
1. contributed more to Europe in its history than all the Germanic principalities, and,
2. there would not be a Europe without Poland's past heroics on behalf of Europe.
OK. Well, in that "contributed more" section, could you be a little more specific, and compare with the Germans? You didn't really answer the question, you just restated your (remarkable) claim a little more clearly.
@flyabroom The more intersting part is the "no less and maybe no more than others" to offer. I didn't ask about "quantity" or "weight" in aggregate, just some examples of which Mr. Sarkozy could be reminded to then alter his anti-Polish rhetoric and decide that Poland really would be a valuable partner in the European 'state' or 'federation'. That's all I really wanted. (I also didn't want to ask about a comparison to the Germans. Why would I ask YOU that? or why would you volunteer that?)
@flyabroom "Template planted in my vile imagination?" That's really artisitic Fly. Do you have a "tune" to go with that, and perhaps a dancing skit" I like that Fly.. its very good... If you don't have the copywrite I just may use that, OK?
@flyabroom OK Fly its YOURS. (Personally I was still trying to figure out how you "plant" a template. Do you have to water it afterwards?) Did you mean "copywritten" or copywritted which sounds opposite to copylefted?
@flyabroom Fly, if you want to ask me a question, don't PREPEND (look it up) the questions with a bunch of unrelated assumptions with your own emphasis by capitalization, and run it into another "loaded" question. That is the standard "rhetorical" question which is simply your STATEMENT emphasized, rather than a "question put". For example "Remembering that you are such an ignorant idiot, can you tell me why you are so stupid?" I don't answer such nonsense! Understand? Keep questions simple.
Supposed "bad treatment of German minorities" was used as an EXCUSE to invade Czechoslovakia, and partial EXCUSE to invade Poland. You're only repeating widely disqualified Nazi propaganda. However, that majority of Volksdeutsche in Czechoslovakia and Poland proved disloyal to the hosting countries, and brutally useful to the Nazis, is a well documented fact.
@flyabroom "widely disqualified" Fly? By whom? Of course they were disloyal. The were still living in their homes in the country of their history. If you liked in Stettin and the boundary were changed to incorporate that into Germany in the morning, would you be a "loyal Geman" in the afternoon? Now THAT fly is a real stretch. People steal your national roots and you're expected to be loyal to the thieves? That's REALLY good. Is it Polish? or just you're judgment?
@flyabroom And now "brutally useful" Do you do screenwriting? What is "unbrutally useful by comparison Fly". Your propagandistic nature is showing my friend, and you even have the "brutally" usefulness documented. Well that's good. point us to it please.
@flyabroom So you see Fly... Poland's OWN conduct was a very significant factor in bringing down the horrendous war and the its unfortunate results for its people. Stop blaming it all on somebody else. Accept your share of the responsibility for your own pain. I'm glad could outline this for you.
Now, that's what I told you on another site. In WW2, Germans were the victims of their own leaders, willingness to blindly follow, desire for land and material gains, and hate for the Poles. It BACKFIRED!
@Lomza96 Well Lom, my good friend, what do you thing the Poles did with these camps when the Germans were driven out and the POLISH communists moved in. Do you think they were used for children's playgrounds, or for facilities to imprison Germans? Give me your best guess. So they became POLISH CONCENTRATION CAMPS -- about which Poland is trying to hide the ugly truth of mass killings. Mother Teresa wasn't running them.
@historatia If you would be so kind; Please send me a link to a REPUTABLE site that says that Poland was using these camps to exterminate Germans or whoever. Trust me, you won't find one.
@Lomza96 Sure. Just go to google and look up "Shlomo Morel". Start there, and then realize the MBP ran MANY camps (Bytom, run by Fryberg) etc etc. Stick with it even if you don't like what you're reading. And there is LOTS more to come no matter how much IPN and others attempt to hide it.
@historatia First of all, this guy was not really Polish, he was Jewish. Secondly, those camps were setup up by the Soviet NKVD. After the war communists were running it, because of Soviet orders. You know that up until 1980 Poland was a Soviet sattelite state; meaning that there was no real Polish government. Also, Poland did file an extradition request for that guy Morel, but Israel disapproved it.
@Lomza96 I see. So if he was a Polish Jew he suddenly wasn't POLISH? Wow. How about Donald Tusk. Jewish mother. He's not Jewish? Stop evading all the responsibility. Stop blaming others. There were LOTS of Polish people in the MBP involved in this. In 1956 Stalinism was finished and POLISH Gomulka used the tanks to forces to quell the Polish revolt rather that stand beside the Hungarians. POLISH treachery. Amazing how POLES can whitewash themselves. Disgusting. Poles ran killing camps. Period!
@Lomza96 You scream "Germans are evil " every chance you get, but when POLES behave the SAME WAY, then suddenly its "the JEWS" or "the COMMUNISTS". If a German were to say " its the NAZI, and they're not Germans, you REFUSE the excuses. Well Lomza there is TONNES more of where that came from (like he killings in Marienberg that were NOT committed by the Red Army. " It cannot remain hidden. POLES also did horrible things, not only to others, but also their own. TRUE. Just learn.
@MaximusProteus Without Sarcozy? Sure. Any competent French leader will do, and there are many. Nicolas can then go off with his tall skinny bride and lie on the beach.
Well the A.Hitler was a Jew sponssored by jewish zionistic bankers ,so they sucryficed polish jews and their money to get faster the state of Israel and btw distroyed Poland ,and Nikolay Sarkozy is a jew with the Hungarian gypsy roots that is why he hates all the gypsies and dislikes Poland beacause he is a jewish-zionist,i just wonder why the jews are so much hate poles .. because of that that we saved their lifes . .
Kurwa Mać ! 250 years of occupation. hat do you want from the Polish? I am curious as to retain the British, Germans, Frenchmen in a similar situation.. That the dinosaurs perished .
England, France and Germany will soon be Muslim countries.
"Sarkozy on an EU without Poland" - No, more like Sarkozy "she sha pe she she, she pasheshapa she she, she shushashoshesheshapa she she"... English bitch!
pozdro
viktorklk 3 days ago
MOWI DOKŁADNIE TAK :
"Myśle że nie było możliwe mniej niż 20 lat po upadku muru zostawić najwiekszy kraj Europy wschodniej. hmhmhmh Chcem żeby każdy obliczył co to by znaczyło dla Europy po reunifikacji Europy podzielonej za murem zamierzać iść do przodu w 26 bez 27. W czasie kryzysu moglibysmy o tym rozważyć ale myśle że jednak było ważne zatrzymać jedność europejską. Dziękuje wam wszystkim."
Po angielsku nie zrobie niech sobie sami radzą.
NIE UFAĆ TO WĘGIERSKI ŻYD. ale trzyma sie grzecznie.
viktorklk 3 days ago
"European Union of 26 nations without Poland"
French must be very efficient if there were a place for 26 countries in this video
From 0:55 to the end is about poland but its cuted xD
Dhavidhek 5 days ago
a lot of fluid had to be on cameras
Dhavidhek 5 days ago
what the fuck he said ?
TheAntilam 3 weeks ago
Subtitles PLS!
mati090 1 month ago
EU without Poland. Eh, only a dream. It's impossible to leave this mess
Limonnes 1 month ago
@Limonnes I am not too old but I remember when all the Europe was so enthusiastic about falling of the comunism in Polnad and joining the "Europe" Now when it's trying to rise even when it's being used so much by other countries (cheap and hard working labour) it is being hated. The spoiled West cannot afford being now without Poland...
daminek1983 3 weeks ago
Poles are the peasant tramps of europe they take the most money, and their citizens flood into the UK to take benefits and jobs
wank0r 2 months ago
@wank0r as far as I know, there is shitloads of brits coming to poland just now seeking sobs, as uk is absolutely FUCKED
areksl1 2 months ago
@wank0r i once saw a BBC documentary film about immigrant workers in UK. The truth is that they are working hard, but the British people can't handle the work level that immigrants do. Sad but true.
nielllubieRS 2 months ago
@nielllubieRS hah i once saw a bbc documentary, and you ate it right up you dum dum idiot. jeez. where does the money they earn go smartass? not back into the economy but HOME to their families, into bank accounts saved up, they spend in polish shops,polish bakerys (wtf like tescos bread range isnt good enough fror these cockroaches), once they get into a job they get all their relatives/friends in and take over.so NO they dont contribute much.they always will be now-cockroaches.
kaiiserSouze 1 month ago
@kaiiserSouze Life in Poland is hard, so they go to Britain for money, that they can't find in Poland. As you can see they have better predispositons than British and others. No matter how loud you can scream on the internet, as long as this is legal they will do this for their families. Stop insulting me. And stop crying QQ
nielllubieRS 4 weeks ago
@kaiiserSouze The money that Poles earn and save wherever, will be spent it in Poland maybe but in Tesco's -British(a bunch of products there are made in the UK and other countries), Carrefour - French, E. Leclerc - French, Lidl - German (most german products) and many others like that. The money will go back anyway where it came from and sadly you guys have millions coming from Poland. This huge companies here pay people incredible crap of 250€/month having enormous benefits at the time!!Stupid
daminek1983 3 weeks ago
A EU WITHOUT Poland?
... like before 2004? What of it? Poland is the biggest netto taker of Eu funds, 10 billion euro alone in 2010.
kimidayo1 3 months ago
No word about Poland...
ziutek998 4 months ago
His Jude so...
yellow6969able 5 months ago
What is wrong with this guy?
ziutek96 5 months ago 2
Co on mowi kurwa mac... nawet angielskich napisow nie ma. Co za debile.
TheZagiello 9 months ago 19
This guy has some balls!!
sarokas12 9 months ago
what did he say???
PLrap96 9 months ago 2
didnt understand a word
eurghjustlooking 10 months ago 22
Oh sure. So probably you shold know that Dmowskis book was nothing special according to the other books written by the right-wing politics from other european countries. Poland was liberal, so anyone could write what thouth is right, but the true is that polish nationalist was against the national socialists, they were national democrats, and many of them helped jews during II WW. So if you cannot see the difference between deed and word then i wish you good luck.
Psylocibowy 10 months ago 4
Hehe, funny guy, i love french kind of humour, and i wish him the best. Greetings from poor, but still fighting for the better future Poland.
Psylocibowy 10 months ago
Sarkozy, who .???? Jewish? yes Thessaloniki Jews.
Who is Sarkozy. Gaddafi, currently one of the election campaign
money
crazy06deli 10 months ago
Manific gestuculation!!!!!!!
Why Sarkozy is not comedy actor??? Is the best
yahoo2305 10 months ago
Can any1 translate, what is he sayin?
manieknet 10 months ago
Double-dealing nation of cowards with only very few significant units having real influence and generating real benefit for the sake of the rest of Europe. And this ear-hurting language ...
Micidami 11 months ago
So it was that the whole Polish government was assassinated in the Smolensk plane 'accident'. Well done you bastards
pinamanu 11 months ago
asshole
gabzdyliszek90 11 months ago
hungarian jew from France.
domarat11111 11 months ago
is he drunk or on drugs or what? on no silly me lol he's french lol they can be a bit odd like that!
rugbyboy198127 11 months ago
There is not EU without Poland very true.
FryNorth 11 months ago
Lol, the Polish were demanding more votes than anyone else
ChineseAtheist 11 months ago
@ChineseAtheist
Euh you dont demand votes, its based on how big the population is.
FryNorth 11 months ago
he looks like he's drunk
Mr5eXLove 11 months ago
Sarkozy is a son of a bitch
FilosofiadiCazzeggio 1 year ago
People, stop trying to rewrite history ok? I am not saying that ALL Germans are horrible people. BUT most of them were during Hitler's time. Same goes to Poles. Not ALL Poles are good people. It's the same thing with every other nation or ethnicity. Ever since Hitler came to power he wanted to invade other countries, specifically Poland. He even signed a peace treaty with Poland that should last 10 years. Of course he violated that treaty. Same with the USSR treaty.
Lomza96 1 year ago
@Lomza96 That kind of nonsense "BUT most of them [Germans] were [horrible people] during Hitler's time" is such the sort of idiocy that I won't bother answering to. And you're so biased that you think if Hitler renounced a treaty that the POLES were violating EVERY DAY (as in the treatment of German minorities while the Treaty was supposed to be in force) it was always HITLER who broke the treaties. You're ignorant of too many historical facts and rely on propaganda nonsense. Lean something.
historatia 1 year ago
@historatia Look you little ignorant prick. I read BOOKS ok, not some Wikipedia or other bull site.
Grow up, face the facts and finally shut up. I think everyone here is already fed up with your constant negativity and of course your bullshit. Now go to a library and read something. Perhaps Alice in Wonderland will suit you better, because you definitely cannot comprehend real history. DANKE
Lomza96 1 year ago
@Lomza96 Well Lomza, my wife never expressed any disappointed, and I AGREE with you!!! My prick -- old and shrivelled as it is IS IGNORANT INDEED. That's why I DO NOT THINK WITH IT! Since your "tool" has been given the gift of thought you should probably display it for world. Does you smart prick talk too? Is it a real voice or just a tiny pip-squeak?
historatia 1 year ago
@historatia
"People steal your national roots and you're expected to be loyal to the thieves?" There you go. Germany or Prussia (the name changes often) stole Polish lands during partitions, settled in Volksdeutsche V-column, and when Poland regained them cried bloody wolf all the way until WW2. The hypocricy is the same throughout the ages: Steal, settle, get kicked, claim innocence and whine forever. It's like a broken record that keeps playing the same stupid tune.
flyabroom 1 year ago
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flyabroom 1 year ago
@historatia
"Then we won't get so confused with your convolutions." I only made your convolutions planer, so that the less informed here don't have to go through your endless postings to get the drift of the message.
flyabroom 1 year ago
@flyabroom
Copyrited > Copyrighted. And unlike "Ger-n-any."
flyabroom 1 year ago
@flyabroom You can copyright "Ger-n-any" to if you want. Listen, if I had to slow down and correct all the typing mistakes, then I couldn't keep up with all of you young speedy pups that keep running off in these contradictory directions at the same time causing me such grief 23 hours a day. I don't even have time to join derMIT in slawojki now and again. Besides, with my "vile imagination" (did I get that right?) I can always come up with another name.
historatia 1 year ago
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flyabroom 1 year ago
@historatia "Disgusting. Poles ran killing camps. Period!"
Just like they ran Nazi camps in Poland and Shlomo is an ethnic "Polish" name??? In camps you are screaming about, Poles -who fought the German-Soviet occupation were being held and murdered. Without the 1939 German-Soviet invasion - that brought the fascist and communist murderers to Poland, and then their cleansing of the Polish elites (~15% of ethnic Poles), there would NOT be any communism in Poland. NEVER. PERIOD! YOU GOT THAT?
flyabroom 1 year ago 2
@flyabroom Don't Shout Fly, You might have a heat attack. So now the "nationality" is determined by the "name" or the "religion"? I'm well aware of the Pole on Pole violence in the camps. Oh, yes, it did bring the facists and communists in. True. Cleansing Polish elites? Well some yes. There wouldn't be any communism? Not sure about that. After all, you took to it pretty well, and despite the oppression of communists in Poland. Now:
historatia 1 year ago
@flyabroom 1) if there hadn't been the foolish Treaty of Versailles that created Poland, and the imbalances in the power balances, then the peace might much more easily have been maintained.
2) The Poles hadn't IMMEDIATELY gone on the warpath against Soviet Russia Poland would not have made a HUGE enemy on its eastern side.
3) the Poles hadn't immediately gone on a massive, atrocity filled ethnic cleansing push (Galicia, etc) Poland would not have made enemies of every body else.
historatia 1 year ago
@flyabroom
4) If Poland had not tried on 3 separate occasions to induce the French into a two-fronted war against Germany, -- the last in 1936 -- it might not have made such a bitter enemy of the Germans on Poland's west.
5) If Poland hadn't strarngled a German Danzig and exproriated the lands in the corridor from the Germans to force then out, then it might not have made such an enemy of the Germans.
historatia 1 year ago
@flyabroom
6) If Poland hadn't closed off the treaty guaranteed rail and road crossings (including the killing of some germans in sabatoged trains in locked and sealed railway cars, the German might not have become so aggravated.If Poland hadn't stopped the German winter heat coal shipments by rail into East Prussia causing a coal rationing in the dead of winter for hundreds of thousands of people, then another major irritant would not have existed.
historatia 1 year ago
@flyabroom
7. The triumvirate of Edward Rydz-Śmigły, President Ignacy Mościcki, Józef Beck hadn't worked so hard to deny the almost 400,000 Gemans in Danzig of THEIR RIGHT TO SELF-DETERMINATION they might not have made bitter enemies of ALL Germans who believed then and now that the Danzigers were ENTITLED to that right, and the RIGHT to join they families in GERMANY.
historatia 1 year ago
@flyabroom
8) If these brilliant leaders hadn't been so DUMB as to be TAKEN IN by the British and French who USED Poland like a stupid tethered goat for their games of empire, and acted with greater prudence rather than continually wave the red flag in front of a HItler who was not longer tethered by the Weimar constitution, then the political tensions would not have been needlessly inflamed.
historatia 1 year ago
@flyabroom
9) if Pilsudski had not allowed his sense of future empire east to the Volga to operate from 1919 until his death the Prometheism program, interfering in Soviet INTERNAL affairs, and Beck, and Józef Beck and Ignacy Mościckiby had not operated on establishing their new Miedmorze Empire (with the intent to slice or a chunk of Germany with the 1936 negotiations for a pre-emptive war) then the political heat might not have risen to the ignition point.
historatia 1 year ago
@flyabroom
10) If after Poland invaded Teschen, and Hitler backed down to give Poland sovereignty over Teschen with its MINORITY of Polish population, but MAJOR resources, Beck had kept his work with Hitler to negotiate the Danzig issue rather than BREAK his word and REFUSE to discuss anything -- believing he had the French and British military backing him -- then the heat would not have risen to the ignition point, -- In my view.
PERIOD! YOU GOT THAT? Fly? Do you UNDERSTAND?
historatia 1 year ago
@historatia
For the THIRD time: How in the world giving the German Reich Gdansk and a corridor would have prevented German expansionism and WW2. Keeping in mind that Germany INVADED and occupied: Austria, Czechoslovakia, Poland, France, Belgium, Holland, Denmark, Norway, Yugoslavia, Greece, USSR, etc. and attempted to take England? WHY if it was ALL about and because of Poland, as you claim? Your demonstrable hate for the Poles causes you to lose all faculty for logical analysis.
flyabroom 1 year ago
@flyabroom It STARTED with Poland, but the FRENCH and BRITS and pals declared WAR on GERMANY, and THAT began the march to a world war. Hitler waited throughout the "phony war" period and even sent HESS to the UK hoping to have it end and get into negotiations BEFORE THE HORRIFIC PART STARTED -- but the greater powers would not let it stop by negotiations and then came the phrase "unconditional surrender". For the last time, Fly in strategic matters your seem to be a complete neophyte.
historatia 1 year ago
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flyabroom 1 year ago
@flyabroom The Polish German irritations were only and irritant that started the whole thing. Once the flames were fanned, then the US and Russians got themselves started. The Poles, Edward Rydz-Śmigły, President Ignacy Mościcki, Józef Beck acted the fools with great dreams. Hitler let success get to his head, and between them they started it. I will not start a series to teach you the issues of strategic conduct of war. You'll have to learn that on your own.
historatia 1 year ago
@historatia
"HORRIFIC PART STARTED" with German bombings of Wielun, Warsaw and all the other Polish cities. The civilized world COULD NOT tolerate this! In the initila stages, England repeatedly asked Germany to immediately withdraw from Poland. Germany responded with SILENCE. "Horrific parts" did not start all by themselves. Hitler had an ARMY of willing executioners.
flyabroom 1 year ago
@flyabroom Or did you mean "horrific" in the sense that the "willing executioners" of the British Empire (the great friends of the Polish) killed tens of thousand of Boers in south Africa a few years before then, killing OVER 50% of the CHILDREN OF THE BOERS in "horrific" concentration camps at the turn of the century or Polish slaughtering of Ukraining civilians in Galicia. I had actually meant the increase in scale of war after June 1941.
historatia 1 year ago
@flyabroom Or did you mean "horrific" in the sense that the "willing executioners" of the British Empire (the great friends of the Polish) killed tens of thousand of Boers in south Africa a few years before then, killing OVER 50% of the CHILDREN OF THE BOERS in "horrific" concentration camps at the turn of the century or Polish slaughtering of Ukrainian civilians in Galicia. I had actually meant the increase in scale of war after June 1941.
historatia 1 year ago
@flyabroom Of course the "horrific parts" -- the pre-emptive attack on the Stalins Soviet forces priming themselves for a march into Europe -- didn't start by itself. Hitler ordered it, feeling forced into it. The civilized world could not TOLERATE the Geman bombings of Wielun, Warsaw, etc? Well the civilized world couldn't exactly handle the Polish behaviour of inciting a Polish-French pre-emptive war into Germany either,
historatia 1 year ago
@flyabroom or the and the refusal to grant "self-determination" rights the Germans of Danzig and Austria who sought to join their German cousins, or the Polish renouncing the Minority Right part of the Versailles Treaty. The Polish actions of ethnic cleansings became issues discussed even in the British House, and the Canadian Parliament.
historatia 1 year ago
@flyabroom Fly, Versailles set the stage, and the POLES WILLINGLY MADE IT WORSE with (a) their cold war against the Germans (repeatedly soliciting an aggressive French-Polish war on Germany, Danzig, etc.) and (b) anti-Soviet attacks, (the 1919-1922 war and the Prometheism program to destabilize Stalin's Soviet Union) so POLAND REAPED WHAT IT SOWED, a Hitler-Stalin war on Poland. THEN POLAND HAS THE GALL TO COMPLAIN?. Go complain to Pilsudski, Rydz-Śmigły, Mościcki, and Beck!
historatia 1 year ago
@historatia
You are DELUSIONAL, and can’t stop fabricating history to the template planted in your vile imagination. So far, you have insulted the Poles, Brits, French, Norwegians, and who knows who else in your web “travels.” Like I said, write your “book” already, so we can all have a better peak at your unique condition.
flyabroom 1 year ago 2
@flyabroom But Fly, be more open-minded. I can back up EVERYTHING I've written, even from sources on the internet, much of it on Wikipaedia. You know, its all in how you connect the dots. THESE dots really go well together. Look up the word 'Prometheism' on google. Pilsudski's dream and actions that so severely annoyed the Russians are all there! I'm not misleading you. Show some respect please.
historatia 1 year ago
@flyabroom Go read up on it. Poland, a "dictatorship without a dictator.... various Piłsudskite factions, led by ... Edward Rydz-Śmigły, President Ignacy Mościcki, and Beck himself." Poland wasn't a sweet innocent democaracy, Sly.. "Beck also ... explored ...realizing .. Piłsudski's ... Międzymorze .. federation of central and eastern European countries stretching from the Baltic Sea to the Black Sea and — in later variants — from the Arctic Ocean to the Mediterranean Sea." CRAZY. No delusion
historatia 1 year ago
@flyabroom More Sly, "Namier alleged that Bonnet (Czechoslovakia) had snubbed AN OFFER BY BECK in May 1938 to have POLAND COME TO THE AID OF CZECHOSLOVAKIA IN THE EVENT OF A GERMAN ATTACK. That was the leading man in Poland SEEKING WAR with GERMANY. As historian AFP Taylor (Oxford) wrote. "Between two flicks of the ash off his cigarette..(Beck) . the illusory great Poland signed her death warrant."
historatia 1 year ago
@historatia
"POLAND COME TO THE AID OF CZECHOSLOVAKIA IN THE EVENT OF A GERMAN ATTACK." Is that what Beck said? If so, then I like him for that already. ALL of Europe should have come to the aid of Czechoslovakia, and especially Poland, Britain and France. Invasion of Czechoslovakia was illegal and a prelude to WW2. Yes, NOT Poland but Austria and Czechoslovakia were really the start of WW2. Both invasions showed Hitler's true intentions for Europe. Later it just continued as planned.
flyabroom 1 year ago
@flyabroom Prelude to WW2? Czechoslovakia? Well not really!. VERSAILLES was the "prelude" to WW2. Many of the more intelligent observers predicted that another was made inevitable by it. The Austrians were HUGELY in favour of joining Germany whether you like it or not. So you think Beck was "smart" to offer Czehoslovakia military help, which was really a pretext to get the Brits and French into military action against Germany -- as you suggest. Wow. How WARMONGERING is that! True colours Fly?
historatia 1 year ago
@flyabroom Let me give you, my WARMONGERING little Fly, a suggestion that falls out of the study of history. "If you want to avoid war and have peace, then work for justice". Versailles was the most egregious example to the contrary. Sometime you should read the files on the discussions between Ribbentrop and Beck about the renewal of the German-Polish Friendship Treaty first signed in 1934. When Polish injustice refused to implement its provision, the Germans left the table.
historatia 1 year ago
@flyabroom If I am" delusional", I am at LEAST and informed one, with LOTS of really stellar historians as good company.
historatia 1 year ago
@historatia
There are many historians out there. Some as dilusional as you. Some looking for work ...
flyabroom 1 year ago
@flyabroom So AJP Taylor, Emeritus Professor of History (Oxford) was one of my delusional friends? OK.
historatia 1 year ago
@flyabroom Vile imagination? The majority of what I've written is even available for your inspection on the internet, (British House of Commons debates, etc etc.) What's imaginary about that? I've insulted nobody. I've only frustrated those who work so hard to build up a false image of Poland rather than admit the truth, and then use the "Germans are evil ..." mantra as a completely inappropriate basis for justifying Polish existence. Does Poland stand for anything other the anti-Germanism?
historatia 1 year ago
@flyabroom After all, that was really the basis of Sarkozy's comments. So lets ask again. Has Poland ANYTHING other to offer to the EU other than a penchant for a troublesome and incessant "go it alone" and its "anti-German" rant? Anything Fly? Anything at all? (And your fabled fantasy of a glorious past won't cut it!). Anything? Just what would Poland CONTRIBUTE to the pot while its trying to TAKE so much from it? Anything?
historatia 1 year ago
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flyabroom 1 year ago
@historatia
"If you want to avoid war and have peace, then work for justice". And justice, in your view, is German Nazi invasion and barbaric occupation of Poland? The planned extermination of the whole nation and distruction of all Polish cities? Justice, in your mind, is your questioning the existence of Poland? Is this your "justice"?Naturally, in your bizarre Nazi logic, justice will only be when Germany has all of Europe by the throat. Vile, racist and twisted imagination indeed!
flyabroom 1 year ago
@flyabroom Since you added the question marks I will answers in order: No, no, no, no, and the rest I disagree with. "justice" is what the Danzigers, the Sudeten Germans and the Austrian Germans were entitled to! That's what it is in MY MIND, and I really would ask you to let ME speak for ME as I let YOU speak for YOU. You will notice that I do not try to tell you what YOU think, so please try NOT to tell me what YOU think I think OK? Then we won't get so confused with your convolutions.
historatia 1 year ago
@historatia "anything her for Mr. Sarkhozy? "
Don't know. He seems to like "her khozy" boobs.
flyabroom 1 year ago
@flyabroom I put out the challenge for you to LIST some of the characteristics of Poland that would give Sarkozy reason to reconsider his rather negative view of Poland. And what do you offer Fly, ANOTHER ERROR. Are you THAT blind?. Anybody who looks at what Sarkozy decided to pair up with KNOWS that he CANNOT POSSIBLY be interested in "khozy boobs". I don't think his tall thin lady has a pair!!! Despite that, here you are, offering up a few of your Polish floozies with "boobs"? That won't do
historatia 1 year ago
@historatia
But look, from the beginning, I am not very interested in what Mr Sarkozy thinks about Poland. He is still young and inexperienced and his priorities seem a little "convoluted" at times. There is another copywright-worthy expression for it: "I don't give a flying shoe" unless somebody else can nudge it in that direction.
flyabroom 1 year ago
@flyabroom You can't use that! Its copyright to the Iraqi who threw the shoe at George W. Bush and missed (unfortunately), to leave it for them. Like it or not, he's the guy the french elected, using thei people's right to choose their sovereign. So you're stuck with him.
historatia 1 year ago
@historatia
Incidentally, did the Iraqi ever get his shoe back? It's gotta be worth a fortune now. When it comes to Sarko, the polls (and some Poles) show that even the French have had enough of him.
flyabroom 1 year ago
@flyabroom Answer: Don't know, but yes, VERY valuable symbolic artifact of history. Agreed on Sarkozy. Lesson: In 1919 to 1939, BOTH Poles and Germans needed to have the SOVEREIGNTY IN THEIR HANDS that people have now, to DUMP leaders who go off on benders. Neither people did, or the horrors would now have happened. (My view)
historatia 1 year ago
@historatia
But here we have EU, crappy leaders, and cannot dump them. The lesson has NOT been learned.
flyabroom 1 year ago
@flyabroom First, look at the bright side. He is the French leader, and therefore NOT in a position to do the kind of damage that a Josef Beck, Stalin, Pilsudski could do. He's not a tyrant! (good) He's a small fish in the overall structure of the EU (Good), if the French don't like him they WILL get a chance to dump him (unlike the phony Polish democracy with Beck, etc. In any event. His 'power' is VERY limited. Are you looking for 'direct election' by Europeans of a 'President'? I'm willing.
historatia 1 year ago
@flyabroom You are unlikely to get a Polish veto on who the French choose to have talk for them Besides, the Europoean parliament doesn't and won't be answerable to the president of France, or any other "national" politician, at least not according to my 'vile imagination'. You can safely ignore him (Like everybody else does).
historatia 1 year ago
@flyabroom You know, on reflection you should remember that Poland not only stood ALONE against ALL 26 other countries about the Lisbon Treaty, and in 2008 threatened a VETO, being all by itself in trying to block talks between the EU and Russia. There must be something in the Polish water supply to use a "we will not talk to them" approach to solving problems. (Look what it got you in 1939.) Fortunately Donald Tusk is more flexible. Who taints the drinking water there?
historatia 1 year ago
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flyabroom 1 year ago
@historatia
"'direct election' by Europeans of a 'President'." You mean like in Switzerland? It would be a very good idea!
flyabroom 1 year ago
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flyabroom 1 year ago
@historatia
Josef Beck, Pilsudski, Dmowski and few other good Poles tried to stop the history's greatest genocidal freaks, like Stalin, Hitler, Lavrentiy Beria, and others in themost genocidal totalitarian systems of Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia that the world had ever seen. Unfortunately they failed because the Western "allies" did not want to admit how correct the Poles were (again) in their assessment of the situation.
flyabroom 1 year ago
@flyabroom When you finish fabricating a fraudulent story retrofitted as a holy mission for their ugly power gab with is own killing fields the point was that the POLISH people had the sovereignty that rightfully belonged to them STOLEN by these guys just like Stalin and Hitler stole it from Russians and Germans. Predators and thieves.
historatia 1 year ago
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flyabroom 1 year ago
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@historatia
But you accused them of plotting against these totalitarian, murderous and genocidal freaks - did you not? What to you was an "evil" plot, to others was a "holly" mission, and could have been a savior. What happened in Europe next is proof positive that you are wrong and they were right.
flyabroom 1 year ago
@historatia
But you accused them of plotting against these totalitarian, murderous and genocidal freaks - did you not? What to you was an "evil" plot, to others was a "holly" mission, and could have been a savior. What happened in Europe next is proof positive that you are wrong and they were right.
flyabroom 1 year ago
@flyabroom Again you've forgotten and ignored the CRITICAL part. The PILSUDSKI GANG did NOT have the "right of sovereignty" granted by the Polish PEOPLE to then, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THAT RIGHT, engage in those aggressive actions. THEY ACTED LIKE HITLER! THEY JUST TOOK POWER AND WENT TO WAR! I tell you that if they had NOT done that and NOT operated the Prometheism project Stalin might NEVER had made Polish Partition the price for the Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact!! Would Hitler have DARED? I doubt it.
historatia 1 year ago
@historatia Again, Pilsudski "gang" was restoring the Polish pre-partitions borders, with full support of the Poles, and sadly failed in completing the mission. "Gangs" that were plotting, against any resurrection of Poland, were in the Soviet union and Germany.
flyabroom 1 year ago
@flyabroom For Pilsudski and his gang to decide UNILATERALLY to go back to borders that were in force 122 years before, and against the organized peace of Versailles --- and to do it without the formal ratification of a democratically elected Polish mandate authorized by the PEOPLE meant that they were acting JUST LIKE HITLER DID two decades later. WRONG thing to do (especially when you then LOSE).
historatia 1 year ago
@flyabroom Think Fly, in justifying the actions of Pilsudski's gang, YOU are, by implicatino justifying the same actions by Hitler, Fly. I only pointed that out because I DISAGREE with the way Hitler went about it, and BEMOAN the fact that the Pilsudski Polish gang were such a terrible example with its aggressions and ethnic cleansings and intransigence on Danzigers getting their RIGHT of self-determination!.
historatia 1 year ago
@historatia "Unilateral" and "cleansing" words seem to come to you quite naturally. Why am I not surprised?
122 yeras before, tri-laterally, neigbors decided to take Poland apart, regardless of what Poles thought about it. 122 years later, by "implication," it was the Poles turn to do the same in reverse. Pilsudski had a majority support for the war effort. "Self-determination" of "Danzingers" the German way, under Adolf? Hahaha. You're not only a revisionist but a funny one too.
flyabroom 1 year ago
@flyabroom Fly.. If Danzigers and Austrian Germans had been given their 'self-determination' rights it would have been in 1919 or 1920, long BEFORE Hitler. YOU got Hitler stuck into Poland's face BECAUSE that was not done. Without the injustices of Versailles, Hitler would NEVER have come to power in Germany and I doubt that there would ever have been a WW2.
historatia 1 year ago
@historatia
The PROBLEM is that your "justices of Versailles" would exclude Poland. You question the very existence of Poland as an independent country, Poles as a nation. Versailles "righted" the injustice of Poland's partitions by three dictatorships, ruled by ruthless elites of all kinds, and returned Poland to its place in Europe. Poland has been a "problem" to these elites because it was always more libertarian, republican and democratic than the others. It's what you wish to FALSIFY.
flyabroom 1 year ago
@flyabroom Versailles 'righted' the injustices of Poland's partition, but in a manner which dumped Poland into WW2 and then the decimation of 50 years of Russian communist overlordship. If that's your idea of its "place in Europe" then you're welcome to it. Poland was NOT more republican, or libertarian, and NOBODY but you describes its status after 1928 as "democratic" It was FASCIST with Pilsudski and a handful of guys (irrresponsible ones as that). None of this is falsification.
historatia 1 year ago
@historatia
As I said, Poland has been a "problem" to these elites because it was always more libertarian, republican and democratic than the others. It's what you wish to FALSIFY. And FALSIFY you try, in your consistently revisionist, racist, phobic and anti-Polish posts.
flyabroom 1 year ago
@flyabroom Well Fly.. the adjectives keep changing, but the simple truth is that I don't falsify. I don't need to. I'm "revisonist" to what? Your views don't have the status of "orthodoxy" and truth. Phobic is an irrational fear. What do you think I'm afraid of? anti-Polish. No, except for a few rapid mythologically driven polish nationaists, I have no problems with Poles. I dimply disagree with your mythological view of Poland and Poles. I don't agree with your description. So now what?
historatia 1 year ago
@flyabroom Racist? As I've written, I don't even know what a "race" is, because I don't know what "markers" you can use. Even the Haplogroups really ONLY indicate the direction vectors of group migration. Those DNA markets have NEVER been related to anything else depite many efforts. So, No, I'm not racist in the least. I just won't let you spin all those delusional yarns Fly, using conflicting lines of argument to suit your desired outcome. Poland more democratic. Nonsense. Troika fascist!
historatia 1 year ago
@historatia
Your ENVY of the traditional Polish freedoms, democracy and tolerance, which were unlike anywhere in continental Europe of the time, is showing in most of your posts, last one included. Well, now even Germany became more democratic. Can you see how progressive the Poles, that you hate so much, were so many hundreds of years before anybody cought on to it?
flyabroom 1 year ago
@flyabroom Your mind is spinning yarns, Fly, pure fables!. Your "traditional Polish freedoms, democracy and tolerance," is a line of propaganda mythology which fits into the "BIG LIE" category. The Polish reality was exactly the opposite, with a tradition of oligarchic, undemocratic politics; semi-feudalism social/economic structure; and strong anti-semitism and you were never any different. Nobody envies life in Poland.
historatia 1 year ago
@flyabroom My WORD! Fly, I was roaming to another vid where your insightful comments are to be found to find someone who referred to you as an "occulist (concealer)". MY WORD... you must really have spun a yarn for that commentator.. How could he have come to know you so VERY WELL. So, I guess you belong to a Polish "occultist" group to "conceal" the truth, and here aer using the 'BIG LIE' technique.... Fear not ...
historatia 1 year ago
@flyabroom ... There will always be a place for you in the propaganda department of the "Republic of West Prussia and Kashubia", (unless you hit on the lovely Anjouian princess Hedwig who will be our "liege lady"). Fly the "Occultist" has a nice poetic ring to it don't you think? if you add a drummer, a sax player and a guitarist (I recommend Slash redux) you could merchandise yourselves as the Polish Occultists!! You can play tunes from Poland's great glorious heroic past!
historatia 1 year ago
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flyabroom 1 year ago
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@historatia There are things you cannot buy or swindle, and people you cannot bribe histeriata. Your virtual recycle bin republic will have plenty of propagandists from the numerous legions of the easily led and manipulated neo-Nazi misfits and unemployed that populate similar sites. You will be their all-in-one gift from hell, a savior, and coup de grâce. Sort of like some Adolf once was to another horde of easily manipulated, victims of promises, lust, greed and propaganda. Have fun.
flyabroom 1 year ago
@historatia • There are things you cannot buy or swindle, people you cannot bribe histeriata. Your virtual recycle bin republic will have plenty of propagandists from the numerous legions of easily led and manipulated neo-Nazi unemployed misfits that populate “prussen” type sites. You will be their all-in-one gift from hell, a savior, and coup de grâce. Sort of like Adolf once was to another horde of easily led, victims of promises, lust, greed and propaganda. Have fun taking them there.
flyabroom 1 year ago 2
@flyabroom Are you trying to tell me that in Poland there are no people that will try to swindle you or take your bribes? Are you quite sure about that. And the only reason that Danzig does not look like a recycle bin is from all that flotsam and jetsum that the careless "upriver people" have dumped into the river, for our poor legions of easily led and manipulated neo-Nazi unemployed misfitsto clean up.But first we have to find Hedwig. We'll consult with Sarkozy!
historatia 1 year ago
@historatia Ah, the old "race is a myth" bit again, is it? Do you really think that you're going to lull people into a hypnotic stupor with all your esoteric jargon about "Haplogroups" and "direction vectors"? Who exactly is the "occultist (concealer)", here? Do you think your bombastic blather can erase the reality that any man can see with his own two eyes? Different phenotype = different genotype. PERIOD. Trying to claim that there's no difference between a Norwegian and a Kenyan is insane.
1776Matthew 11 months ago
@1776Matthew You've misrepresented my views and your bait is too rotten for me to touch.
historatia 11 months ago
@flyabroom Now I'm a revisionist? Well the BS propaganda fables need to be torn down, have the falsehoods stripped, and the ignored truths -- like Poland's aggressive conduct -- have to be added back in. Then we have to re-connect the dots to get a truer picture of the past. That's what honest historians do. Funny? Only when I choose.
historatia 1 year ago
@flyabroom You said, "Pilsudski had majority support for the war effort". Two points. First, Pilsudski had the obligation to gain a LEGITIMATE MANDATE from the Polish people FIRST!. He did not have that. Second, that "support" you speak of is NOT TRUE. It was a creation of the PROPAGANDA of The Pilsudski gang, (just like the Hitler gang later!). Screaming newspaper headlines is NOT public support. The Polish people supported war? Who says? You? I say they MANIPULATED Polish people for "glory".
historatia 1 year ago
@historatia Have you learned that history from your ukraninian historical-fiction movies?
Psylocibowy 10 months ago
@Psylocibowy Actually no I haven't. I've never seen a ukrinian historical-fiction movie, or any ukrainian movie at all. Nor am I Ukrainian. I've learned my history the hard way; diligently tearing up the propaganda to discard and finally coming to the truth at the base, using "original documents" as much as possible.
historatia 10 months ago
@flyabroom Without the War, Hitler would have continued to force the Jews out of Germany (there were only 500,000) and he certainly would have continued until he at least got Danzig back (It wasn't Polish in any case), but I doubt very much that the rest of the Horror of 1939 to 1945 would have occurred. I repeat, Poland with aggression and anti-Soviet actions (not to speak of its preemptive war aims with France) made a major contribution to the unfolding of the Great Horror. Such that up Fly.
historatia 1 year ago
@historatia
Your "Hitler would not" assertion is useless. Hitler annexed Austria and Czechoslovakia before attacking Poland, screamed about "living space" for the Germans in the East, and then proceeded to attack most of Europe, Soviet union included. But we have discussed all this before.
flyabroom 1 year ago
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@historatia
If you didn't I wouldn't bother with a missed letter or two, because I know that if you stay (or sit) up late at nights answering to your call of duty, it can cause all sorts of disorders, including hemorrhoids. Anyway, your previous post keeps up with the humor. I will personally give you thumbs up for it.
flyabroom 1 year ago
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flyabroom 1 year ago
@historatia
Poland has no less and maybe no more than others to offer Europe. Time will tell. Poland in its long and fruitful history, however, has made more meaningful and substantial contributions to the European family than all of the Germanic principalities put together. For without Poland defending Europe's frontiers there would NOT be any Europe. It's the past that you are envious of, and the truth that Nazi revisionists will never openly admit to. That's why you want to doctor it.
flyabroom 1 year ago
@flyabroom Glad you finally got to answering this important question. So now we have it that Poland:
1. contributed more to Europe in its history than all the Germanic principalities, and,
2. there would not be a Europe without Poland's past heroics on behalf of Europe.
OK. Well, in that "contributed more" section, could you be a little more specific, and compare with the Germans? You didn't really answer the question, you just restated your (remarkable) claim a little more clearly.
historatia 1 year ago
@flyabroom The more intersting part is the "no less and maybe no more than others" to offer. I didn't ask about "quantity" or "weight" in aggregate, just some examples of which Mr. Sarkozy could be reminded to then alter his anti-Polish rhetoric and decide that Poland really would be a valuable partner in the European 'state' or 'federation'. That's all I really wanted. (I also didn't want to ask about a comparison to the Germans. Why would I ask YOU that? or why would you volunteer that?)
historatia 1 year ago
@flyabroom So, is there anything her for Mr. Sarkhozy?
historatia 1 year ago
@flyabroom "Template planted in my vile imagination?" That's really artisitic Fly. Do you have a "tune" to go with that, and perhaps a dancing skit" I like that Fly.. its very good... If you don't have the copywrite I just may use that, OK?
historatia 1 year ago
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flyabroom 1 year ago
@historatia
"Template planted in your vile imagination." Consider it copywrited by "flyabroom" as of first appearance.
flyabroom 1 year ago
@flyabroom OK Fly its YOURS. (Personally I was still trying to figure out how you "plant" a template. Do you have to water it afterwards?) Did you mean "copywritten" or copywritted which sounds opposite to copylefted?
historatia 1 year ago
@flyabroom Fly, if you want to ask me a question, don't PREPEND (look it up) the questions with a bunch of unrelated assumptions with your own emphasis by capitalization, and run it into another "loaded" question. That is the standard "rhetorical" question which is simply your STATEMENT emphasized, rather than a "question put". For example "Remembering that you are such an ignorant idiot, can you tell me why you are so stupid?" I don't answer such nonsense! Understand? Keep questions simple.
historatia 1 year ago
@historatia
Supposed "bad treatment of German minorities" was used as an EXCUSE to invade Czechoslovakia, and partial EXCUSE to invade Poland. You're only repeating widely disqualified Nazi propaganda. However, that majority of Volksdeutsche in Czechoslovakia and Poland proved disloyal to the hosting countries, and brutally useful to the Nazis, is a well documented fact.
flyabroom 1 year ago
@flyabroom "widely disqualified" Fly? By whom? Of course they were disloyal. The were still living in their homes in the country of their history. If you liked in Stettin and the boundary were changed to incorporate that into Germany in the morning, would you be a "loyal Geman" in the afternoon? Now THAT fly is a real stretch. People steal your national roots and you're expected to be loyal to the thieves? That's REALLY good. Is it Polish? or just you're judgment?
historatia 1 year ago
@flyabroom And now "brutally useful" Do you do screenwriting? What is "unbrutally useful by comparison Fly". Your propagandistic nature is showing my friend, and you even have the "brutally" usefulness documented. Well that's good. point us to it please.
historatia 1 year ago
@flyabroom So you see Fly... Poland's OWN conduct was a very significant factor in bringing down the horrendous war and the its unfortunate results for its people. Stop blaming it all on somebody else. Accept your share of the responsibility for your own pain. I'm glad could outline this for you.
historatia 1 year ago
@historatia
Now, that's what I told you on another site. In WW2, Germans were the victims of their own leaders, willingness to blindly follow, desire for land and material gains, and hate for the Poles. It BACKFIRED!
flyabroom 1 year ago
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flyabroom 1 year ago
Here is Sarko w/o clothes.
Youtube: /watch?v=uXmidPjQaE8
flyabroom 1 year ago
Poland did not have concentration camps. It was later during WWII that GERMANS setup GERMAN concentration camps. READ BOOKS!
Lomza96 1 year ago
@Lomza96 Well Lom, my good friend, what do you thing the Poles did with these camps when the Germans were driven out and the POLISH communists moved in. Do you think they were used for children's playgrounds, or for facilities to imprison Germans? Give me your best guess. So they became POLISH CONCENTRATION CAMPS -- about which Poland is trying to hide the ugly truth of mass killings. Mother Teresa wasn't running them.
historatia 1 year ago
@historatia If you would be so kind; Please send me a link to a REPUTABLE site that says that Poland was using these camps to exterminate Germans or whoever. Trust me, you won't find one.
Lomza96 1 year ago
@Lomza96 Sure. Just go to google and look up "Shlomo Morel". Start there, and then realize the MBP ran MANY camps (Bytom, run by Fryberg) etc etc. Stick with it even if you don't like what you're reading. And there is LOTS more to come no matter how much IPN and others attempt to hide it.
historatia 1 year ago
@historatia First of all, this guy was not really Polish, he was Jewish. Secondly, those camps were setup up by the Soviet NKVD. After the war communists were running it, because of Soviet orders. You know that up until 1980 Poland was a Soviet sattelite state; meaning that there was no real Polish government. Also, Poland did file an extradition request for that guy Morel, but Israel disapproved it.
Lomza96 1 year ago
@Lomza96 I see. So if he was a Polish Jew he suddenly wasn't POLISH? Wow. How about Donald Tusk. Jewish mother. He's not Jewish? Stop evading all the responsibility. Stop blaming others. There were LOTS of Polish people in the MBP involved in this. In 1956 Stalinism was finished and POLISH Gomulka used the tanks to forces to quell the Polish revolt rather that stand beside the Hungarians. POLISH treachery. Amazing how POLES can whitewash themselves. Disgusting. Poles ran killing camps. Period!
historatia 1 year ago
@historatia I am not aware of Donald Tusk's mother being Jewish. He is from the Kashubian minority in Poland.
Lomza96 1 year ago
@Lomza96 You scream "Germans are evil " every chance you get, but when POLES behave the SAME WAY, then suddenly its "the JEWS" or "the COMMUNISTS". If a German were to say " its the NAZI, and they're not Germans, you REFUSE the excuses. Well Lomza there is TONNES more of where that came from (like he killings in Marienberg that were NOT committed by the Red Army. " It cannot remain hidden. POLES also did horrible things, not only to others, but also their own. TRUE. Just learn.
historatia 1 year ago
How about EU without Sarcozy?
MaximusProteus 1 year ago
@MaximusProteus
XD Thats sounds better.
ViriathusVingathor 1 year ago
@MaximusProteus Without Sarcozy? Sure. Any competent French leader will do, and there are many. Nicolas can then go off with his tall skinny bride and lie on the beach.
historatia 1 year ago
Sarkozy is a smart ass
mochiKozlov 1 year ago
huj ze napoleon nam pomugł nie jego wina że w tych czasach francuzi to kurwy
kolunpo 1 year ago
is he on somekind of drugs? :D
skifi1 1 year ago
Yeah, let's fight between ourselves and let the muslims take over Europe.
"Excellent" strategy, huh?
Either European peoples learn to tolerate each other and act together, of there will be no Poland/France/you-name-it to fight for.
qopha 1 year ago 3
Threatening the Poles and Irish people unless they give in the the communism 2.0 of the EU.
warriorprince1010 1 year ago
fuck you and your big nose
fabulousmaster 1 year ago
Well the A.Hitler was a Jew sponssored by jewish zionistic bankers ,so they sucryficed polish jews and their money to get faster the state of Israel and btw distroyed Poland ,and Nikolay Sarkozy is a jew with the Hungarian gypsy roots that is why he hates all the gypsies and dislikes Poland beacause he is a jewish-zionist,i just wonder why the jews are so much hate poles .. because of that that we saved their lifes . .
johnpaul1011 1 year ago
what language is he speaking? is it algerian? ;]
RaphaelVaughan 1 year ago
can somebody translate this Jew's speech?
moskiter 1 year ago
Kurwa Mać ! 250 years of occupation. hat do you want from the Polish? I am curious as to retain the British, Germans, Frenchmen in a similar situation.. That the dinosaurs perished .
England, France and Germany will soon be Muslim countries.
VALVEELEKTRONIK 1 year ago
"Sarkozy on an EU without Poland" - No, more like Sarkozy "she sha pe she she, she pasheshapa she she, she shushashoshesheshapa she she"... English bitch!
0wormer0 1 year ago 6
mr.Sarcozy - speak english... we don't understand.
mphet26 1 year ago
fuck u french wee-man !
gandza666 1 year ago
if there is to be a EU i want everyone to speak 1 fucking language, i dont understand a single word ur saying idiot
Alexanderstuve 1 year ago
Yes please! Take Poland away from this EU joke! Polish people, aparently you are good in revolutions, please make one soon and BURN Brussels!!!
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