truth will prevail and people will realize that they've been oppressed, denied rights and most importantly been manipulated into changing their language, culture, folklore and IDENTITY, what kind of greek are you when you sing Albanian songs?
Si Himariote une besoj se Greqishja jone eshte ma e paster se ajo e shtetit ame. Une e ndij veten ma shume Shqipetare sikur ate Greke. Une nuk kam asnje lidhje me Greqine. Greqia eshte shtet i krijuar ne genjera. Himara ka shume grek por jane ndryshe asaj Greqise. Ne kemi jetur gjithmone prane Shqipetareve ne paqe dhe Himara kurr nuk tja kthej shpinen shqiperise te bukur.
cameria arvanitica epirus thewhole part isalbanian like the half of macedonia andapieceof montenegro and it wont last long and all the truth will come out and we ll get our pieces back :D fuck greece and serbia, greek people are victims nothing else they look at least like victims are fuckin cocksuckers nuthin else stupid retarded cunts
You can choose to be want you like to be, is called self consciousness. But you cant change your blood, genes, language, culture and your history! People in XXI century must be proud of their identity. Nowday arvanites might feel ashamed to be albanians, because of difficult socio-economic condition Albania has passed. Greek church and state has made a one century gap between brothers. No one forces you to be called albanian, but dont forget your heavenly language, your parents etc
true justace ur a herb shut the fk up cuase we steal nothing so ur gona call egyptians liars who say we where frist lmfao fkin clown ur uneducated u know nada we made history suffer lmfao ur prob one of them kids who think that isare is agnels n they dont make trouble rofl shut it kid we make history dont steal it
lmfao at greeks beein albanian lmfao get ur facts right i have many albanian friends n they all say greeks where frist this song is not albanian evenm my albanian friends say so so u kids talkin sht should eat dk
Arvanites are those whose mother tongue is "Arvanitika" (in greek: arvanites=arvani+tis+notias=Albanians from the south of balkans).The word Arberesh is used in Albanian; most linguists use the word Albanian for the language
Arvanites are those whose mother tongue is "Arvanitika" (in greek: arvanites=arvani+tis+notias=Albanians from the south of balkans).The word Arberesh is used in Albanian; most linguists use the word Albanian for the language
This song is singing by Giorgos Margaritis very good greek singer, btw he is not Anrvanite but from greek speaking village of Thessaly, but still likes arvanitic folk
@MAXIMILIANVS , we dont sing in your language and y9ou do in our language, tahts the differents between albanians and greeks. and you also hate albanians.
@agon1984 yes exactly thats the differet, but the most importan is point of view! And who told you i hate Albanians? I have friend albanian girl but she doesnt live in Albania and never lived thats it.
Fact: the modern greek nation knows very well that their music, their national heroes, their folk dances, sportsmen etc. basically whatever is in the spot light that brings greece pride today are all: of Albanian stock.. they just find it hard to admit that the most important people of their modern nation are actually Albanian...
when these psychopaths will come out of the religious shell and get proper education is then when they will realise who they trully are..
@Ferizajcity they always call someone a greek if he can talk greek,,,if a pig could learn greek he were a greek, too. That's why the retarded gayreeks claim on every people on the world who spoke greek in ancient time...Like Epirus,Macedonia,Thrace :D:D,,,suuuuuure!! xD Learn history and do not blaim yourself with your senseless mythologies,,,achilles was hellenized illyrian,,,the todays albanian share his blood,,,you just share the culture,,,(but wait! Your culture today is even stolen:D:D)fail
@Truejustice100 Thej have many Problem, te hole Nations from the Greek and Fyrom are a big Lie. Thej dont know what is science, what is a Book, what is Facts...thej dont want see facts....thej want lie herself.
@Ferizajcity that's sad,,,crappy greeks steal history and even lie to themselves,,,their liabilities proof the fake of their history,,,if they got so ancient smart people, they would not be so retarded like today
@RomiosHellas Yes i know that for your greeks and slavs are the Albanians a Problem, becaus of that u want killed/eliminated all Albanians, how Serbia, how fyrom, how Greek.
I told you, you Greeks are how slavs, nazi culture who know only kill and eliminated other Culture and Religions.
how "barbarians", comm in, kill all and say "that my"
@RomiosHellas You want kill-eliminated because of why? because we make your Country, and give your Countyr Culture and History, give your country dance, dress and songs, give it such beautoful history and culture.
you are how fyroms-slavs and serbians..........can only lie yourself.....
tis dikia sou tis poutanas re paliogamioli alvane....paliompastarde na sikw8ite na figete apo tin elladitsa mas reeeee tin kanate skata me tis listeies k tis alles mlks sas..!!!! alla den ftaite eseis oi dikoi mas politikoi t ftaine pou sas kratane akomi....gamimene poustara alvane....den tous xalase tous alvanous panw sto kosovo pou tous dername ka8e mera tous eixame matosi t kefalia tous...k goustarame giati ektos apo to na vrizoun den kseran tpt allo gi'auto ante geia!!!
@tinizera xaxaxaxa...me ekanes k gelasa..xaxaxaxxaaaa ti na gamisete re palio gay re si sas petousame apo to treno en kinisi ekeina t ptisomena t glop epernan fwtia...alla to aksizate ka8e ksilo pou trwgte giati re mpastarda xwris na sas kanei kaneis tpt vrizate oti mporeis n fantasteis mexri k kapoioi dikoi sas mas elegan kala tous kanete...exeis na peis tpt panw s'auto re karagkiozi?
@visibr1 xaxaxaxaaa...pios einai aderfi re miss albanian gay univers...kai giati na me ponaei tis dikias sou tis manas den kserw an ponaei giati otan gamousame tis dikes sas tis manes re mpastarde ksereis ki'olas eeee tis diname krouasan seven k tis gamousame panw sto treno vlaka ksekoliari..xaxaxaxaxaaaaaaaaaa karagkiozaaaaakoooooo den ksereis ti na peis k les oti n'ane...xaaxaxaxxaxaaaaaaaa ante geiaaaaaa
vriiiseee vrise reeeeee mono auto ksereis na kaneis!!!
Depends how you read those inscriptions furthermore, you must not forget something; ancient greek were always excellent on humanities and writing while we excelled in courages and military knowledge this must tell you smth if you are smart enough as i think you are, if you want the truth read behind the lines!
How you read those inscriptions? How else could one possibly read them? They are Greek, there is no doubt about it. I don't deny the Albanians' military prowess in centuries gone by, but that's not what we're talking about.
Yes that's the point our traditions passed from generation to generation by word not by writing that's why you can not find much inscriptions in Albanian and thats why no one could totally cancel our memories even from millennium of invasions , but by the way can you tell me how old your inscriptions are,and another thing does it make greece albanian while we call it greqi?
Greeks were always excellent in 'writing' (meaning culture), as well as military art. Remember, persian empire attacked twice and was beaten by Greeks. Remember the Alexandros' macedonian empire.
Well greeks had been having a very important role on story thats true once, hovewer I think you were really brave on telling things than doing them, about Alexander the great no Alexandros he had origins traco-illyrian and his best warriors were Illyrian the same Pirro of Epirus and Gjergj Kastrioti they all Albanian, but i think you already know that and fear the truth that's why u fear Albanian!
we don't feel fear for noone and nothing....you don'd know history at all....and so don't speak you stupit boy!!!! MACEDONIA AND GREAT ALEXANDER IS GRREK!!!!!!!
Exactly. Even if the original Arvanites were pure Albanians, their descendants have mixed freely with the Greeks for centuries. You can no longer separate them.
Well I don't think we were mixed because greeks were worker to our land proprieties back in Cameria, but anyway greek during first 20th centurie separated us or should I call it with the right name, ethnic repression against Albanian, did you forgot your nazi-napoleon zervas?
I'm surprised did you forgot Albanian who were hired from Fascist Italian Army fought next to greeks for their freedom against fascist so after that we went with Germans right is that you are telling, and another thing do you know why Zervas felt down from the power because he was accused to collaborate with nazi and there are evidence for this.
Really sorry, my english is too poor to follow you. Who fought with or against Italians, Greeks and germans? And who was "hired"? But if you have evidence for all this, it's ok by me.
Whatever never mind, about evidences yes they exist, there are as well german officers of WWII testimonies about that or Italian army documents but hmmm that seem not to be mentioned or noted to greeks!
Another question ancient greeks made colonies around mediterranium so does it make italy a greek land as well while they gave it their own name in their inscriptions?
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Pes ta vre kopela mou pou 8eloun na vgaloun tous Menidiates,tous pragmatikous Arvanites,alvanous.Alla emeis ftaime,otan afhnoume na xa8ei h glwssa kai oi shmerinoi 19 xronoi den katalavainoun le3h...
Search the web for a report on Cham issue written by Miranda Vickers, a british researcher.
According to her there are about 40000 christian chams in the mountain villages of Chameria who still speak albanian at home but do not dare speak it in public for fear of reprisals. While the greek state is more relaxed about the Arvanites of the south it is very harsh towards the Arvanites of the north-west because it knows it has stolen Chameria from Albania.
LOL! The same Miranda Vickers of the British Military Academy? What are her academic qualifications? Is she a real historian, or just some English bulldyke in the British army who fell in love with an Albanian prostitute in Kosovo? Who commissioned her to write that report, and why? More importantly, how did she arrive at that number, in the absence of relevant census data? Did she count them herself?
Greece is the gayest nation on earth and such remarks are not what one would expect from a greek person.Miranda Vickers' data match the numbers given by Panayote Dimitras of GreekHelsinki.That is the "well-known anti-nationalist activist( this is a derogatory term in your book?).
I would never want to make a greek or a gipsy person an Albanian.Nothing against greeks or gipsies, but I value my race.Now,why would you want to turn albanians into greeks ????
I'm not homophobic at all, but I can so see that happening. Can't you? As for her data, where did she pull that number from? Why doesn't she cite her sources? Do you seriously expect me to believe there are 40,000 "Chams" in Thesprotia, out of a total population of less than 48,000? Time for a reality check, young man. As for you valuing your "race", I guess that's what separates us. Anyone is welcome to become a Greek if they so wish. Hellenism is not based on such racist criteria. ;)
By the way, if there are 40,000 "Chams" in Thesprotia as she claims, that would mean there are hardly any Greeks there, as the total population of the region is not much greater than that. Which begs the question, reprisals from whom? As for who stole what from whom, I think we all know what the real answer to that is. Greece liberated northern Epirus on numerous occasions in the twentieth century but it was repeatedly stolen by Albania with the help of Italy.
By the way, I do feel sorry for the loss Greeks have suffered at the hands of Turks.
Turks have not only stolen Roumelia and your Capital (built by the Illyrian emperor Constantine the Great) but they have also stolen the entire western Asia Minor from you.
That is a great historical injustice and I feel for you, but that doesn't give you the right to go steeling other people's homelands!
about do ta pres iam arvanitis from kriekouki and that song have hearig since i was child this song was women song and with out instrumental music and half arvanitis half greeks words arvanitic liguistic is not tosk albanians and no chams albanic speaking when albanians workes comig to our citi they tray do spaek to us but we understand nothig
some years ago have kosovoalbanias visit us they wand to fund roots
so they runnig till today far way from us asskicking was enought
@sopieni arvanites+ arberor+ is hellenic not greek is illyrian now go die in a corner. i think the same blood is in us as in albanians but the truth is they divided us by believe,politics and by the countries founded by england after the tur4kish empire, albania and greece are founded by england so plz stop telling yopurself and your brothers lies
@Pirrothecham you dont now nothing....just learn first from what dick you had came and then spoke for history......you and the others who vote thumbs up for this stupid comment!!retards!!
As for the "Christian Chams", they exist only in your deluded irredentist imagination. There are no Christians in Epirus who identify as Chams, at least on the Greek side of the border. Only Albanian nationalists claim otherwise. They are Arvanites and Greeks, even if they speak a dialect that is different from the Arvanitika of southern Greece.
I have been forced by Youtube to remove the URL buy you can search the web for this report.
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Likewise, they call themselves Arvanites (in Greek) and Arberor (in their language); but in Northwestern Greece, in their language, they use the term Shqiptar (the same used by Albanians of Albania), a term strongly disliked by the other Arvanites, who also resent being called Albanians.
Surprise! Epirus is the attic form. Epirotes actually said Apirus (ΑΠΕΙΡΟΣ) which is the doric form. What does this mean in albanian? After all, greek words always had endings (like -ΟΣ) in all idioms, 'epir' is nothing in language of Epirus.
Question ancient greeks made colonies around mediterranium so does it make italy a greek land as well while they gave it their own name in their inscriptions?
Last, not to forget... The surnames were adopted like this because we were forced to. Sometimes this remains. But who can change your spirit?No one? Besides, we never mixed as we did not want to mix. ok? Learn some history and come after.But serious history, not the one that your fascistic country teaches you
Do you deny that albania is a prison?What was hotza?Antidemocratic leaderships lead to insanity. You can always say whatever you want for Hellenes and Hellas. But if one day a dick will be stuck in your ass, don't ask who did it. It will be us. So, epeidi milas ellinika, voulose to kalutera giati de se pairnei, pistepse me. kalutera gurna sti xora sou giati sas perimenoun megala zoria edo.
--They are albanians no doubt about it-and it shows that in Greece there are 4 million Arvanites =albanians---cuze they have albanian language & albanian blood-
But fighting for Greece-It means that they are Some ALBANIAN TRAITORS, nothing more
They don't understand, but it's A SHAME to call urself a GREEK:--A Hybride Tribe from SOUTH OF SAHARA--according to AMERICAN GENETISTS
GREEKS: A CURSE OF HUMAN NATURE IN EVERYTHING
The most despicable human beings alive in ottoman empire :YANITSARIS
how can you explain that the arvanites are in vast majority orthodox christians and the albans are moslems???exist also the well famous "Panagia i Arvanitissa", a church dedicated to the Holly Mother Jesus...
Wie kannst du denn mir erklaeren dass die arbaniten fast ausschliesslich griechisch-orthodoxen sind in dem Moment dass die Albanen Moslemen sind?es gibt auch die so gennante "Panagia i Arvanitissa" eine Kirche gewitwet yu Mutter Christi
Albanian are more than 30 percent christian,orthodox and catolic.Most of the muslim are just by name,Have you ever seen an albanian that doesnt drink or eat pork?lol. they are not typical muslim people in albania since they were all christian before the 1450.They are the most tolerant people in the world when we talk about religion.
Are we Turkish or sub-Saharan African? Make up your mind. As for calling oneself a Greek being a "shame", but of course. The Albanians on the other hand have a fantastic law-abiding reputation in Europe and beyond...
Actually, Greece in 1910 had barely any Muslims. They were taken care of during the War of Independence. It was only after the territorial expansion which followed the Balkan Wars that Greece acquired a large Muslim population which was then exchanged with the Orthodox Greeks of Turkey.
On another note, for all those claiming that Giorgos Margaritis is somehow Albanian simply because he sang a song in Arvanitika, listen to his accent. Pure Greek. He can't even pronounce "sh" properly. In true Greek style, he says "s" instead. It's obvious that he is singing in what to him is a foreign language.
you dont have any idea of the Albanian language and our customs,and you are trying to denied things that are very clear to undersand.Its well know that Arvantikia its part of Albanian language.I mean all the serious Academic agree on that.Its without doubt, that their songs,are more close with the Albanian spirit and connected to our language.What do you feel when you hear this song?I mean its a language that you cant undersand,besides some Greeks words.
The language of the Arvanites may be closely related to yours, but what you need to understand is that language does not equate to ethnicity. The Albanians must learn to respect the Arvanites' right not to be Albanians. If you don't, the only natural outcome is resentment and hostility.
Yes but language its the first sourse of the folklore.I respect the right of the Arvanites,its a lost cause to fight for the origin after all this century.I just want to make a point,they can be Greek today,but their ancestor where not,cause when they dance and sing their old traditional heritage,they show the spirit of the past and its albanian.Its like when you talk with an American,well you are American but the dance that you danced was an Irish one.
But they are Irish Americans. The Arvanites are not Albanian Greeks, they are Arvanites and Greeks. They have never been Shqiptarë, a nation that emerged in what is now Albania after the emigration of the Arvanites to Greece. A more apt analogy would be to claim that the English are really French, on account of their Norman heritage.
Yes they have been the same blood and fisionomy.You can see the difference between Albanian anf Greeks,starting in the skin colour,etc.Shqiptare its very limited term to use for all the ethnic Albanian.The were the Arberor,Albania state was created in 1912 but not the Albanian identity.Its the same race,well documented since the Gjergj Kastrioti and Karl Topia.
Kastrioti and Thopia, along with the first attested Albanian text, date back only as far as the fifteenth century, by which time the bulk of the Arvanites had already settled in Greece. In other words, the Arvanites were not part of the processes that created the modern Albanian nation. There is an historical relationship between them, of course, but that does not equate to a common identity. The Arvanites are Greeks, not Albanians.
Im very surprised how much you are trying to denied, even their heritage and ethnic group.You can talk for the present situation,but you cant exclude their past root.They were the same people as Arberesh.They look Albanian,they speak a form of Albanian,they dance in the Tosk tradition.A lot of them regonize even their albanian identity.If they were Greek well they will have an old tradition related to Greeks not Albanian.I dont care,they cant be Greek,but they were our race,you cant denied.
.Im talking about heritage and ethnic group,and a word cant change your race and ancestors in biological terms.Arvanitas its just a greek word for arberor,arberesh,arnaut,albanese,albanian.They have been Arber like Albanian too.We cant play word games like this.You said they never been Shqiptare!Yes they never been part of Albanian state.The difference started to show up,only in 17 century,but for religion believes.Its a domino effect started from Turks and helped by Greeks.
And their heritage and ethnic group is not the same as yours, no matter how long you choose to remain in denial. The Arvanites are not ethnic Albanians, and the reason for that is simple: they don't want to be, period. As for your "blood" and "race" arguments, I'd rather not participate in such a banal debate. If you really believe that there is a pure Albanian race or that the Arvanites have not mixed with their neighbours, you are sorely deluded.
So what? Serbs and Croats can understand each other even better, but that doesn't mean Serbs are Croats or Croats are Serbs. Language does not define identity.
You may "love" them, code for the rather imperialistic Albanian desire to include them in your "Ethnic" (Greater) Albania, but they, curiously, want nothing to do with you. Probably because they are Greeks. ;)
Stole from you? Lol! When was "Chameria" ever part of Albania? As far as I know, southern Epirus (the oldest and most correct name of the region) was ceded to Greece by the Ottoman Empire as a result of the Balkan Wars. Unless you think that it is Albanian land simply because Albanians happened to live there at some point. If that is the case, then northern Epirus is Greek, no? ;)
Albanians have been majority in Chameria since time immemorial.
After WWII you have carried out ethnic cleansing on both muslim and christian albanians.You have expelled all the muslim albanians to Albania and dispersed most christian albanians all across Greece.
To this day you deny the existence of christian albanian chams.
Now, that is not particularly civilized!
You of all people should know what it means to have land stolen from you.
Turks stole your capital and half of historical Greece!
Since time immemorial? The first documented migration of Albanians to Epirus occurred in the 14th century. Compare that with the Greeks, who really have lived there since time immemorial, or at least since Epirus has been Epirus. Regarding the events of WWII, the collaboration of the Chams with the Nazis is well documented, so you really shouldn't be sulking now over an unfortunate situation which you brought upon yourselves.
North and South Epirus = Southern Albania. South Epirus was taken from Gayreece in 1913 and finally cleansed of more than half of its albanian population. The rest of the christian chams became gayreek. An Albanian tribe of Chiamides and Mollosians is mentioned even by the Greek historian Strabo.
No. "The rest of the christian chams became gayreek." That's what you wrote. In other words, while we may disagree on their origins, we both agree that they are Greek now.
@MAKEDANOS yeah yea, you here this music on the background what language is it song. ??? yeah right and you cant udnerstand it. so shut up and go suck some dick because makedonia really really dont exist
As for the "Christian Albanians", they identify as Arvanites and Greeks, and resent your imperialistic attempts to claim them as Albanians. To this day, you deny their existence as Greeks. You are the last nation on earth in a position to lecture *us* on civilization.
They *are* Greek, they don't need to *become* Greek. How is their language suppressed? They are free to speak it, but many see it as a relic of the past and are abandoning it in favour of learning more useful languages like English. It is up to the Arvanites themselves to preserve their language and no one else.
@MAKEDANOS An assimilated Arvanit speak Greek, but not an puure Arvanit, thats the different.
And u call yourself Makedon? Oh my god...when u stopid to lie herself!?
Arvanits are Greek, BUlgarien-Slave are Makedon---....wellcome in the 15 century Mentality from Greeks and Slavs.....you dont have science in your country? Books?
@MAKEDANOS sure they have to speak greek if they live in greece,,,but this do not make them greek,,,arvanitika is an albanian dialect,,,check out wikipedia and try to talk arvanitika with an arvanite if you think it is greek
So im a greek too?Anway you can read :A history of greece from its conquest by the romans to the present days,George Finlay and you can know just a little bit more,about north epirus or continent in your language,and albanian people.All that sources were based from the official greek information.I dont want you to trust me,but it will came a time that you will trust the truth not me.
Only Albanians claim he was Albanian. Then again, Albanians also claim everyone from Kapodistrias to Alexander the Great to Aphrodite was Albanian. And then you woke up.
to the uneducated author of this video that claims Greeks is a religion and not a nationality, what do you have to say about the ancient Greek people??? Where they all guided by a religion only??? And I know many Greeks that are athiest and some that still believe in the 12 gods and they consider themselves Greeks becuase being Greek is not a religion but an ethnicity that we are born with!!
Ali Pasha did not kill Kristians but muslimans..he killd 20.000 thousend in Egypt muslima..so u can not say he is a musliman killer..am allso ARVANITAS my famiely lived in CORFU now in Vlore Albanian
Ali Pasha did not kill Kristians but muslimans..he killd 20.000 thousend in Egypt muslima..so u can not say hi musliman killer..am allso ARVANITAS my famiely lived in CORFU now in Vlore Albanian
Pata knaqesi te degjoj ket kenge te mrekulueshme,zoti i bekoft ate qe kendon ket keng,ata qe na ofruan mundesin qe ta degjojm dhe ata qe me knaqesi e degjojn
ali pasha tepelena is particially to BLAME! i ready he killed christian albanians who didn't convert to islam...lol..i don't blame some of these arvanitas feeling more greek...i blame ali pasha tepelena..and albanian who lick his arse...
He killed all of his enemies that were a threat to his throne not just Christians. Ali Pasha built 5 churches in Aetolia during his reign. Arvanites feel Greek because "Greek" is a religion and not a nationality. Among those Albanians that worked and fought for Ali there were many Christians: Bocari, Verushi etc.
I see a lot of greeks site that claim him as a greek.I think i know my roots dont you think so,my father its a writer in albania,and we have old documents in our house.Every old man in the village would be shocked if somebody say that Zhapa its greek.Cause the second name of labova its labova e zhapes.I think you must realize that not just bad think come from us,they are even good thinks,that some people try to hide.
Orthographic rules hmm,coming from a pseudo-greek that throw only trash for albanian.This peasant know more than 4 language,and his peasant grand grand father has a statue in Athens for the contribultion of the modern olympic games,Vangjel Zhapa..No related to turks by the way,just an albanian christian orthodocs.
I suggest you learn the rules of grammar as well. You may "know more than 4 language" [sic], but your English grammar leaves a lot to be desired. I see you acknowledge your Greek ancestry? Evangelos Zappas was a Greek from Northern Epirus.
No its not a greek trust me.Just an albanian that liked greek culture,cause our village is called labova e vogel,little labova.He was for the independece of greece just like a lot of orthodocs christian albanian people.Dont read the wikipedia,that claim him as a greek,my uncle names for example are Vangjel,Sofokli,Apostol,Josif my father name its Albert.Its just the bizantin rite influence even in the names.
truth will prevail and people will realize that they've been oppressed, denied rights and most importantly been manipulated into changing their language, culture, folklore and IDENTITY, what kind of greek are you when you sing Albanian songs?
chessplayer100 3 weeks ago
Arvanites - Arber - Albanian !
FREEDOM TO SOUTH EPIRUS FROM EVIL GREEKS !
IllyriPower 2 months ago 2
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monoellada1 3 months ago 2
@monoellada1 kala ta lesssss....allo alvanos allo arvaniths reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!arvanitia re vlakes oxi alvania
katerinalou88 2 months ago
ELLAS ELLHNON XRISTIANON
1821kolokotronis1821 6 months ago 2
SHQIPERI ETNIKE ILIRIA KOSOVA ILIRIDA MALSIA CAMERIA PRESHEVA SANGJAKU =ILIRI= SHQIPERI ETNIKE
13tigri 7 months ago
Si Himariote une besoj se Greqishja jone eshte ma e paster se ajo e shtetit ame. Une e ndij veten ma shume Shqipetare sikur ate Greke. Une nuk kam asnje lidhje me Greqine. Greqia eshte shtet i krijuar ne genjera. Himara ka shume grek por jane ndryshe asaj Greqise. Ne kemi jetur gjithmone prane Shqipetareve ne paqe dhe Himara kurr nuk tja kthej shpinen shqiperise te bukur.
Taulanta2011 10 months ago 2
VIVA ETHNIC ALBANIA!
ARVANITES ARE OUR PRIDE!
EPIR IS ALBANIA!
TbOoOx 11 months ago 3
cameria arvanitica epirus thewhole part isalbanian like the half of macedonia andapieceof montenegro and it wont last long and all the truth will come out and we ll get our pieces back :D fuck greece and serbia, greek people are victims nothing else they look at least like victims are fuckin cocksuckers nuthin else stupid retarded cunts
AcEyez11 11 months ago
ellinika këngët e "lehtë Znj noume shqip shqiptar
grmen100 1 year ago
CAMERIA IS GREEK
SULIOTS ARE GREEKS
NORTHERN EPIRUS IS GREEK
ARVANITES ARE GREEKS
unfukkkmee 1 year ago
@unfukkkmee cameri arberesh kosovar shqipetaret e maqedonise are albanian.
illir123 1 year ago
@unfukkkmee ARE YOU NUTS!!!???????? ARVANITES ARE GREEKS!?!? GO LEARN SOME HISTORY, LOL! SHAME ON YOU. WHAT ABOUT JAPANESE ARE THEY GREEKS TO?!
TbOoOx 11 months ago
@TbOoOx hello there how came this arvanitas speak albanian if they are greek?can you please answer
bledi220 9 months ago
@bledi220 Who said ARVANITES are greek?!?! Arvanites means Albanians!!
TbOoOx 9 months ago
@unfukkkmee ,
You can choose to be want you like to be, is called self consciousness. But you cant change your blood, genes, language, culture and your history! People in XXI century must be proud of their identity. Nowday arvanites might feel ashamed to be albanians, because of difficult socio-economic condition Albania has passed. Greek church and state has made a one century gap between brothers. No one forces you to be called albanian, but dont forget your heavenly language, your parents etc
RenaldoNjeshi 11 months ago
@unfukkkmee
JESUS IS GREEK TOO
mehmet80b 6 months ago
true justace ur a herb shut the fk up cuase we steal nothing so ur gona call egyptians liars who say we where frist lmfao fkin clown ur uneducated u know nada we made history suffer lmfao ur prob one of them kids who think that isare is agnels n they dont make trouble rofl shut it kid we make history dont steal it
deejaypprada 1 year ago
lmfao at greeks beein albanian lmfao get ur facts right i have many albanian friends n they all say greeks where frist this song is not albanian evenm my albanian friends say so so u kids talkin sht should eat dk
deejaypprada 1 year ago
Arvanites are those whose mother tongue is "Arvanitika" (in greek: arvanites=arvani+tis+notias=Albanians from the south of balkans).The word Arberesh is used in Albanian; most linguists use the word Albanian for the language
MrTikifaik 1 year ago
Arvanites are those whose mother tongue is "Arvanitika" (in greek: arvanites=arvani+tis+notias=Albanians from the south of balkans).The word Arberesh is used in Albanian; most linguists use the word Albanian for the language
MrTikifaik 1 year ago
This song is singing by Giorgos Margaritis very good greek singer, btw he is not Anrvanite but from greek speaking village of Thessaly, but still likes arvanitic folk
MAXIMILIANVS 1 year ago
@MAXIMILIANVS , we dont sing in your language and y9ou do in our language, tahts the differents between albanians and greeks. and you also hate albanians.
agon1984 1 year ago
@agon1984 yes exactly thats the differet, but the most importan is point of view! And who told you i hate Albanians? I have friend albanian girl but she doesnt live in Albania and never lived thats it.
MAXIMILIANVS 1 year ago
Do ta Pres is Albanian folk?????? axaxaxa... nice joke... Do ta Pres is Arvanite song and Arvanites are not Albanians!! Stop reading Hotza's story...
fafos 1 year ago
@fafos do ta pres eshte gjuhe shqipe o grekofil o gjake prishur kur eshte gjuhe e njejte si thua ti ?eshte i njejti popull apo jo ?
bledi220 1 year ago
@fafos you idiot by blood and languige arvanites +arberresh are albanians u thick
alti73 1 year ago
@fafos
LIKE YOUR NAME IS FATOS NOT FAFOS
HAHAHAHAHA
mehmet80b 6 months ago
Fact: the modern greek nation knows very well that their music, their national heroes, their folk dances, sportsmen etc. basically whatever is in the spot light that brings greece pride today are all: of Albanian stock.. they just find it hard to admit that the most important people of their modern nation are actually Albanian...
when these psychopaths will come out of the religious shell and get proper education is then when they will realise who they trully are..
Viva Big Albania..
chessplayer100 1 year ago
@RomiosHellas Oh, show, an Turk want to say us what we are. Lol!
Ferizajcity 1 year ago
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@RomiosHellas You can suck my dick you ottoman gypsie
Truejustice100 1 year ago
rroft shipnia etnike.ore cham qe jetoni ne gre.....mos harroni gjuhen mem.fuck greece
DIAMANE1 1 year ago
rroft chameria .vdekje grekeve
DIAMANE1 1 year ago
When Arvanites are Greek, why the speak albanian? And why thej called Arvanit (greek=albanians) ? lol, dumb facist.
Greeks are so stupid nation, thej have many Problems whith her history, thej are the same how the serbs, the have too many problem with her history.
Ferizajcity 1 year ago
@Ferizajcity they always call someone a greek if he can talk greek,,,if a pig could learn greek he were a greek, too. That's why the retarded gayreeks claim on every people on the world who spoke greek in ancient time...Like Epirus,Macedonia,Thrace :D:D,,,suuuuuure!! xD Learn history and do not blaim yourself with your senseless mythologies,,,achilles was hellenized illyrian,,,the todays albanian share his blood,,,you just share the culture,,,(but wait! Your culture today is even stolen:D:D)fail
Truejustice100 1 year ago
@Truejustice100 Thej have many Problem, te hole Nations from the Greek and Fyrom are a big Lie. Thej dont know what is science, what is a Book, what is Facts...thej dont want see facts....thej want lie herself.
Ferizajcity 1 year ago
@Ferizajcity that's sad,,,crappy greeks steal history and even lie to themselves,,,their liabilities proof the fake of their history,,,if they got so ancient smart people, they would not be so retarded like today
Truejustice100 1 year ago
@Ferizajcity hahahahahahahah!!! the most problems are with the "albanians!" u exist bc of the ottoman and austro-hungarian empires!
RomiosHellas 1 year ago
@RomiosHellas Yes i know that for your greeks and slavs are the Albanians a Problem, becaus of that u want killed/eliminated all Albanians, how Serbia, how fyrom, how Greek.
I told you, you Greeks are how slavs, nazi culture who know only kill and eliminated other Culture and Religions.
how "barbarians", comm in, kill all and say "that my"
Ferizajcity 1 year ago
@RomiosHellas You want kill-eliminated because of why? because we make your Country, and give your Countyr Culture and History, give your country dance, dress and songs, give it such beautoful history and culture.
you are how fyroms-slavs and serbians..........can only lie yourself.....
Ferizajcity 1 year ago
pure albanian
kapo1821 1 year ago
wow shum kengë e bukur përshëndetje Vëllezërit Shqipëtar kudo që jan,Zvicërra
hogoshti1963 1 year ago 3
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αντε γαμω τιν αλβανια σας ανιστοριτοι
managerchristos 1 year ago
to mouni ths manas pou se petakse pousth ellhna
tinizera 1 year ago
tis dikia sou tis poutanas re paliogamioli alvane....paliompastarde na sikw8ite na figete apo tin elladitsa mas reeeee tin kanate skata me tis listeies k tis alles mlks sas..!!!! alla den ftaite eseis oi dikoi mas politikoi t ftaine pou sas kratane akomi....gamimene poustara alvane....den tous xalase tous alvanous panw sto kosovo pou tous dername ka8e mera tous eixame matosi t kefalia tous...k goustarame giati ektos apo to na vrizoun den kseran tpt allo gi'auto ante geia!!!
managerchristos 1 year ago
@managerchristos . STO KOSOVO SAS EKLISAN MESA STHN EKLISIA RE POUSTH KAI FYGATE TREXONTAS ME TA OPLA SAS ADERFES.ETSI SAS GAMAME
tinizera 1 year ago
@tinizera xaxaxaxa...me ekanes k gelasa..xaxaxaxxaaaa ti na gamisete re palio gay re si sas petousame apo to treno en kinisi ekeina t ptisomena t glop epernan fwtia...alla to aksizate ka8e ksilo pou trwgte giati re mpastarda xwris na sas kanei kaneis tpt vrizate oti mporeis n fantasteis mexri k kapoioi dikoi sas mas elegan kala tous kanete...exeis na peis tpt panw s'auto re karagkiozi?
managerchristos 1 year ago
@managerchristos aderfoula se ponaei,opos ths manas sou otan thn gamane
visibr1 1 year ago
@visibr1 xaxaxaxaaa...pios einai aderfi re miss albanian gay univers...kai giati na me ponaei tis dikias sou tis manas den kserw an ponaei giati otan gamousame tis dikes sas tis manes re mpastarde ksereis ki'olas eeee tis diname krouasan seven k tis gamousame panw sto treno vlaka ksekoliari..xaxaxaxaxaaaaaaaaaa karagkiozaaaaakoooooo den ksereis ti na peis k les oti n'ane...xaaxaxaxxaxaaaaaaaa ante geiaaaaaa
vriiiseee vrise reeeeee mono auto ksereis na kaneis!!!
managerchristos 1 year ago
ore shkruani dhe do nje fjale shqip se do e harroni fare.bravo re Jorgo se na kenaqe shpirtin.kjo eshte kenge ore cuna
iliri1973 1 year ago
4 ever My Brothers from Cameria ,Kosova is With you be strong (Qameri).
TheAriRezaku 2 years ago 10
I fuck you lire greek's.
You are all & gypsys gay
Fuck all you
cameria1000 2 years ago
Depends how you read those inscriptions furthermore, you must not forget something; ancient greek were always excellent on humanities and writing while we excelled in courages and military knowledge this must tell you smth if you are smart enough as i think you are, if you want the truth read behind the lines!
doriq1 2 years ago
How you read those inscriptions? How else could one possibly read them? They are Greek, there is no doubt about it. I don't deny the Albanians' military prowess in centuries gone by, but that's not what we're talking about.
MAKEDANOS 2 years ago
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Yes that's the point our traditions passed from generation to generation by word not by writing that's why you can not find much inscriptions in Albanian and thats why no one could totally cancel our memories even from millennium of invasions , but by the way can you tell me how old your inscriptions are,and another thing does it make greece albanian while we call it greqi?
doriq1 2 years ago
Έχεις καταλάβει τι στο καλό λέει; Ειλικρινά μπροστά στην εν κρανίω τρικυμία, σηκώνω τα χέρια.
mnls0 2 years ago
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Greeks were always excellent in 'writing' (meaning culture), as well as military art. Remember, persian empire attacked twice and was beaten by Greeks. Remember the Alexandros' macedonian empire.
mnls0 2 years ago
Well greeks had been having a very important role on story thats true once, hovewer I think you were really brave on telling things than doing them, about Alexander the great no Alexandros he had origins traco-illyrian and his best warriors were Illyrian the same Pirro of Epirus and Gjergj Kastrioti they all Albanian, but i think you already know that and fear the truth that's why u fear Albanian!
doriq1 2 years ago
we don't feel fear for noone and nothing....you don'd know history at all....and so don't speak you stupit boy!!!! MACEDONIA AND GREAT ALEXANDER IS GRREK!!!!!!!
managerchristos 1 year ago
Exactly. Even if the original Arvanites were pure Albanians, their descendants have mixed freely with the Greeks for centuries. You can no longer separate them.
MAKEDANOS 2 years ago
Well I don't think we were mixed because greeks were worker to our land proprieties back in Cameria, but anyway greek during first 20th centurie separated us or should I call it with the right name, ethnic repression against Albanian, did you forgot your nazi-napoleon zervas?
doriq1 2 years ago
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Nazi? Chams cooperated with nazis! Did YOU forget what chams do to greeks during german nazi possession (1941-45) to cause the zervas' reaction?
mnls0 2 years ago
I'm surprised did you forgot Albanian who were hired from Fascist Italian Army fought next to greeks for their freedom against fascist so after that we went with Germans right is that you are telling, and another thing do you know why Zervas felt down from the power because he was accused to collaborate with nazi and there are evidence for this.
doriq1 2 years ago
Really sorry, my english is too poor to follow you. Who fought with or against Italians, Greeks and germans? And who was "hired"? But if you have evidence for all this, it's ok by me.
mnls0 2 years ago
Whatever never mind, about evidences yes they exist, there are as well german officers of WWII testimonies about that or Italian army documents but hmmm that seem not to be mentioned or noted to greeks!
doriq1 2 years ago
Do ta pres makes me want to learn Arvanite and speak it as my ancestors spoke fluent Aromanian Arvanite and Greek.
IanHunedoara8 1 year ago
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doriq1 2 years ago
Another question ancient greeks made colonies around mediterranium so does it make italy a greek land as well while they gave it their own name in their inscriptions?
doriq1 2 years ago
bravo re pirrothecham nje vidjo shume e bukur hallall te qofte.Rrofte i gjithe kombi SHQIPTARE dhe sa me shpejt SHQIPERIA E MADHE
iliri1973 2 years ago 5
RROFTE ÇAMERIA KOSOVA dhe LABERIA
TUNG VELLEZERVE SHQIPTAR KUDO QOFSHIN
cameria1000 2 years ago 3
Nice video!!
ShpresPerShqipni 2 years ago 7
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Pes ta vre kopela mou pou 8eloun na vgaloun tous Menidiates,tous pragmatikous Arvanites,alvanous.Alla emeis ftaime,otan afhnoume na xa8ei h glwssa kai oi shmerinoi 19 xronoi den katalavainoun le3h...
XxXlifewandererXxX 2 years ago
There is a great thirst for learning the "old" languages of Epirus- Arvanite and Armanji both!
IanHunedoara8 2 years ago 6
all greek are gay,,,rrnoft USHTRIA ÇAME,,,,pa luftë s'ka liri,,,persendetje nga Trojani Kosove
korabveselaj 2 years ago 11
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Piros is the king of epirus.
And he is Greek!!!
NICKTHEDIG1989 2 years ago
Kjo kenge ma kenaq shpirtin dhe me ngjalle ndjenja patriotizmi cdo here qe e ndegjoj.RROFTE SHQIPERIA E MADHE.
vvoki 2 years ago 10
Do ta pres kocidhene te rrota kuqe, mos e rrit shume
besian007 2 years ago
Hi Makedonec my dear student,
Search the web for a report on Cham issue written by Miranda Vickers, a british researcher.
According to her there are about 40000 christian chams in the mountain villages of Chameria who still speak albanian at home but do not dare speak it in public for fear of reprisals. While the greek state is more relaxed about the Arvanites of the south it is very harsh towards the Arvanites of the north-west because it knows it has stolen Chameria from Albania.
GentiRex 2 years ago 7
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LOL! The same Miranda Vickers of the British Military Academy? What are her academic qualifications? Is she a real historian, or just some English bulldyke in the British army who fell in love with an Albanian prostitute in Kosovo? Who commissioned her to write that report, and why? More importantly, how did she arrive at that number, in the absence of relevant census data? Did she count them herself?
MAKEDANOS 2 years ago
Please refrain from homophobic remarks.
Greece is the gayest nation on earth and such remarks are not what one would expect from a greek person.Miranda Vickers' data match the numbers given by Panayote Dimitras of GreekHelsinki.That is the "well-known anti-nationalist activist( this is a derogatory term in your book?).
I would never want to make a greek or a gipsy person an Albanian.Nothing against greeks or gipsies, but I value my race.Now,why would you want to turn albanians into greeks ????
GentiRex 2 years ago 8
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I'm not homophobic at all, but I can so see that happening. Can't you? As for her data, where did she pull that number from? Why doesn't she cite her sources? Do you seriously expect me to believe there are 40,000 "Chams" in Thesprotia, out of a total population of less than 48,000? Time for a reality check, young man. As for you valuing your "race", I guess that's what separates us. Anyone is welcome to become a Greek if they so wish. Hellenism is not based on such racist criteria. ;)
MAKEDANOS 2 years ago
The truth is is hurting, I know you cant not acsept the reality that you are a ponites settler in Cameria!!!
In the year 1926 in Geneva Conference Theodoros Pangallos said:
The Thesis that maintenanced till yet that Albanian Orthodox (Arvanites) people are greek is FALSE and disown from all greek people!!!
sopieni 2 years ago 38
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Epirus has been Greek since time immemorial. The Albanians only arrived in the region in the late Middle Ages. Everything else is irrelevant.
MAKEDANOS 2 years ago
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By the way, if there are 40,000 "Chams" in Thesprotia as she claims, that would mean there are hardly any Greeks there, as the total population of the region is not much greater than that. Which begs the question, reprisals from whom? As for who stole what from whom, I think we all know what the real answer to that is. Greece liberated northern Epirus on numerous occasions in the twentieth century but it was repeatedly stolen by Albania with the help of Italy.
MAKEDANOS 2 years ago
By the way, I do feel sorry for the loss Greeks have suffered at the hands of Turks.
Turks have not only stolen Roumelia and your Capital (built by the Illyrian emperor Constantine the Great) but they have also stolen the entire western Asia Minor from you.
That is a great historical injustice and I feel for you, but that doesn't give you the right to go steeling other people's homelands!
Two wrongs don't make a right!
GentiRex 2 years ago
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about do ta pres iam arvanitis from kriekouki and that song have hearig since i was child this song was women song and with out instrumental music and half arvanitis half greeks words arvanitic liguistic is not tosk albanians and no chams albanic speaking when albanians workes comig to our citi they tray do spaek to us but we understand nothig
some years ago have kosovoalbanias visit us they wand to fund roots
so they runnig till today far way from us asskicking was enought
megasmagas 2 years ago
Ti do qirë nga prapa!
VERRÄTER!
GentiRex 2 years ago 2
megamagas@
dont talk a shit, you are not ARVANITES!!!!!
if you are Arvanites you must have Albanian Blood, wich you dont have it, be qiut propagandistis!!
sopieni 2 years ago 34
@sopieni we know what we are
if you are arvanitis you know the history of them you are not arvanitis you are albanian (alvanos=turkish cumshots
kounenesxt250t 11 months ago
@kounenesxt250t
South Epir is Albanian nothin more ore LEES
sopieni 11 months ago 6
@sopieni arvanites+ arberor+ is hellenic not greek is illyrian now go die in a corner. i think the same blood is in us as in albanians but the truth is they divided us by believe,politics and by the countries founded by england after the tur4kish empire, albania and greece are founded by england so plz stop telling yopurself and your brothers lies
chrysabra 7 months ago
It is up to the Arvanites themselves to preserve their language <<<<THIS IS WHAT I ADMITTED.
Arvanites are Albanians that started migrating south from Kosova and Albania to Thesaly and Attica as early as the 12 century!
Pirrothecham 2 years ago 7
@Pirrothecham you dont now nothing....just learn first from what dick you had came and then spoke for history......you and the others who vote thumbs up for this stupid comment!!retards!!
ConstantineDecadence 1 year ago
@ConstantineDecadence haha prooves and facts are needed, not your fascist flaming,,,but you greeks always just can talk,,,coward bitches
Truejustice100 1 year ago
Makedonec is my most fervent student!(lol)
GentiRex 2 years ago
Makedonec my friend,
Epir means Higher[land] in Albanian.
In case of doubt please refer to your compatriots and my Ethnic Brothers the Arberor [Arvantes] of Greece.
You can also check Albanian Dictionaries.
The modern Albanian spelling is Epër.
The christian chams refer to them as Shqiptar not as Arberor[Arvanites].
They are divided geographically from the Arvanites.
Please don't be shy and carry on posing questions.
I take pleasure in spreading the light of knowledge amongst the nescient.(lol)
GentiRex 2 years ago
As for the "Christian Chams", they exist only in your deluded irredentist imagination. There are no Christians in Epirus who identify as Chams, at least on the Greek side of the border. Only Albanian nationalists claim otherwise. They are Arvanites and Greeks, even if they speak a dialect that is different from the Arvanitika of southern Greece.
MAKEDANOS 2 years ago
Wrong yet again,
This is from Greekhelsinki report on Arvanites.
It is the greek perspective on the Arberors.
I have been forced by Youtube to remove the URL buy you can search the web for this report.
"
Likewise, they call themselves Arvanites (in Greek) and Arberor (in their language); but in Northwestern Greece, in their language, they use the term Shqiptar (the same used by Albanians of Albania), a term strongly disliked by the other Arvanites, who also resent being called Albanians.
"
GentiRex 2 years ago
Surprise! Epirus is the attic form. Epirotes actually said Apirus (ΑΠΕΙΡΟΣ) which is the doric form. What does this mean in albanian? After all, greek words always had endings (like -ΟΣ) in all idioms, 'epir' is nothing in language of Epirus.
mnls0 2 years ago
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Question ancient greeks made colonies around mediterranium so does it make italy a greek land as well while they gave it their own name in their inscriptions?
doriq1 2 years ago
ju lumt o shqipe,se ne jemi autokton,jemi DEM BABA DEM ne kto troje,pershendetje nga SHKUPI
forcashkupi 2 years ago
Last, not to forget... The surnames were adopted like this because we were forced to. Sometimes this remains. But who can change your spirit?No one? Besides, we never mixed as we did not want to mix. ok? Learn some history and come after.But serious history, not the one that your fascistic country teaches you
legemeotithes 2 years ago
Do you deny that albania is a prison?What was hotza?Antidemocratic leaderships lead to insanity. You can always say whatever you want for Hellenes and Hellas. But if one day a dick will be stuck in your ass, don't ask who did it. It will be us. So, epeidi milas ellinika, voulose to kalutera giati de se pairnei, pistepse me. kalutera gurna sti xora sou giati sas perimenoun megala zoria edo.
legemeotithes 2 years ago
Pirrothecham you have done a great step on telling the truth on cham songs, you should countinoue to publish these songs just like this.
long live albanians
fgblack 2 years ago 3
--They are albanians no doubt about it-and it shows that in Greece there are 4 million Arvanites =albanians---cuze they have albanian language & albanian blood-
But fighting for Greece-It means that they are Some ALBANIAN TRAITORS, nothing more
They don't understand, but it's A SHAME to call urself a GREEK:--A Hybride Tribe from SOUTH OF SAHARA--according to AMERICAN GENETISTS
GREEKS: A CURSE OF HUMAN NATURE IN EVERYTHING
The most despicable human beings alive in ottoman empire :YANITSARIS
aspetosi 2 years ago 3
Yeah, because Albanians don't have any Turkish names or loanwords whatsoever. Whatever you say, Rexhep Mejdani.
MAKEDANOS 2 years ago
how can you explain that the arvanites are in vast majority orthodox christians and the albans are moslems???exist also the well famous "Panagia i Arvanitissa", a church dedicated to the Holly Mother Jesus...
Wie kannst du denn mir erklaeren dass die arbaniten fast ausschliesslich griechisch-orthodoxen sind in dem Moment dass die Albanen Moslemen sind?es gibt auch die so gennante "Panagia i Arvanitissa" eine Kirche gewitwet yu Mutter Christi
metanastisgr 2 years ago
Albanian are more than 30 percent christian,orthodox and catolic.Most of the muslim are just by name,Have you ever seen an albanian that doesnt drink or eat pork?lol. they are not typical muslim people in albania since they were all christian before the 1450.They are the most tolerant people in the world when we talk about religion.
adonaicall 2 years ago
hhahahaahah---What kind of logic have greeks about ethnic background!
Are u realy that idiots, or are u extremely funny?
Greece in 1910 was 50% moslem---ur prime minister KARAMANLI-s, IS A TRUKISH UNDERCOVER
-Ur leader of oppositon KARAXHAFERRI is a pure turkish
Ur ex-president,--SIMITIS,is a Turkish Baker.--Ur Athlete QEDERI-s, is a TURKISH GUY, etc, --These are all Yanitsaris of Modern times
Not to mention bakllava, krevati musafir,Zapiti,etc etc
---GREECE IS A Turkish Toilete--
aspetosi 2 years ago 2
Is that why sub-Saharan Greece receives 16 million visitors every year, while Aryan Albania gets only a few thousand? lol
MAKEDANOS 2 years ago
Are we Turkish or sub-Saharan African? Make up your mind. As for calling oneself a Greek being a "shame", but of course. The Albanians on the other hand have a fantastic law-abiding reputation in Europe and beyond...
MAKEDANOS 2 years ago
Actually, Greece in 1910 had barely any Muslims. They were taken care of during the War of Independence. It was only after the territorial expansion which followed the Balkan Wars that Greece acquired a large Muslim population which was then exchanged with the Orthodox Greeks of Turkey.
MAKEDANOS 2 years ago
On another note, for all those claiming that Giorgos Margaritis is somehow Albanian simply because he sang a song in Arvanitika, listen to his accent. Pure Greek. He can't even pronounce "sh" properly. In true Greek style, he says "s" instead. It's obvious that he is singing in what to him is a foreign language.
MAKEDANOS 2 years ago
you dont have any idea of the Albanian language and our customs,and you are trying to denied things that are very clear to undersand.Its well know that Arvantikia its part of Albanian language.I mean all the serious Academic agree on that.Its without doubt, that their songs,are more close with the Albanian spirit and connected to our language.What do you feel when you hear this song?I mean its a language that you cant undersand,besides some Greeks words.
adonaicall 2 years ago
The language of the Arvanites may be closely related to yours, but what you need to understand is that language does not equate to ethnicity. The Albanians must learn to respect the Arvanites' right not to be Albanians. If you don't, the only natural outcome is resentment and hostility.
MAKEDANOS 2 years ago
And no, the Arvanites' songs and dances are not part of Albanian folklore, they are part of Greek folklore, because the Arvanites are Greeks.
MAKEDANOS 2 years ago
The Arvanites are Greek as much as Slavs and Romanians are Greek
Pirrothecham 2 years ago
The Slavs and Roumanians do not identify as Greeks. The Arvanites do.
MAKEDANOS 2 years ago
Yes but language its the first sourse of the folklore.I respect the right of the Arvanites,its a lost cause to fight for the origin after all this century.I just want to make a point,they can be Greek today,but their ancestor where not,cause when they dance and sing their old traditional heritage,they show the spirit of the past and its albanian.Its like when you talk with an American,well you are American but the dance that you danced was an Irish one.
adonaicall 2 years ago
But they are Irish Americans. The Arvanites are not Albanian Greeks, they are Arvanites and Greeks. They have never been Shqiptarë, a nation that emerged in what is now Albania after the emigration of the Arvanites to Greece. A more apt analogy would be to claim that the English are really French, on account of their Norman heritage.
MAKEDANOS 2 years ago
Yes they have been the same blood and fisionomy.You can see the difference between Albanian anf Greeks,starting in the skin colour,etc.Shqiptare its very limited term to use for all the ethnic Albanian.The were the Arberor,Albania state was created in 1912 but not the Albanian identity.Its the same race,well documented since the Gjergj Kastrioti and Karl Topia.
adonaicall 2 years ago
Kastrioti and Thopia, along with the first attested Albanian text, date back only as far as the fifteenth century, by which time the bulk of the Arvanites had already settled in Greece. In other words, the Arvanites were not part of the processes that created the modern Albanian nation. There is an historical relationship between them, of course, but that does not equate to a common identity. The Arvanites are Greeks, not Albanians.
MAKEDANOS 2 years ago
Im very surprised how much you are trying to denied, even their heritage and ethnic group.You can talk for the present situation,but you cant exclude their past root.They were the same people as Arberesh.They look Albanian,they speak a form of Albanian,they dance in the Tosk tradition.A lot of them regonize even their albanian identity.If they were Greek well they will have an old tradition related to Greeks not Albanian.I dont care,they cant be Greek,but they were our race,you cant denied.
adonaicall 2 years ago
.Im talking about heritage and ethnic group,and a word cant change your race and ancestors in biological terms.Arvanitas its just a greek word for arberor,arberesh,arnaut,albanese,albanian.They have been Arber like Albanian too.We cant play word games like this.You said they never been Shqiptare!Yes they never been part of Albanian state.The difference started to show up,only in 17 century,but for religion believes.Its a domino effect started from Turks and helped by Greeks.
adonaicall 2 years ago
And their heritage and ethnic group is not the same as yours, no matter how long you choose to remain in denial. The Arvanites are not ethnic Albanians, and the reason for that is simple: they don't want to be, period. As for your "blood" and "race" arguments, I'd rather not participate in such a banal debate. If you really believe that there is a pure Albanian race or that the Arvanites have not mixed with their neighbours, you are sorely deluded.
MAKEDANOS 2 years ago
A person speaking only arvanitika would never understand a person speaking only greek.
But a person speaking arvanitika would be at home anywhere albanian is spoken.
Any questions ? (lol)
GentiRex 2 years ago
So what? Serbs and Croats can understand each other even better, but that doesn't mean Serbs are Croats or Croats are Serbs. Language does not define identity.
MAKEDANOS 2 years ago
Hi Makedanos,
Serbs and Croats hate each other.We albanians , love our Arberor (arvanites)brothers :-).
Any questions ?
GentiRex 2 years ago
You may "love" them, code for the rather imperialistic Albanian desire to include them in your "Ethnic" (Greater) Albania, but they, curiously, want nothing to do with you. Probably because they are Greeks. ;)
MAKEDANOS 2 years ago
Wrong again Makedonec!
The Arberor homelands were never part of ethnic Albania.
The parts of ethnic Albania which you stole from us are Chameria, the strip of territory along the Albanian border.
The homeland of our Arberor brothers is and has always been greek territory.
What we demand for our Arberor brothers is the same rights we have granted to your greek brothers living in Albania.
No more no less!
You have got a lot to learn,but do no get discouraged.
You are very entertaining ! (lol)
GentiRex 2 years ago
Stole from you? Lol! When was "Chameria" ever part of Albania? As far as I know, southern Epirus (the oldest and most correct name of the region) was ceded to Greece by the Ottoman Empire as a result of the Balkan Wars. Unless you think that it is Albanian land simply because Albanians happened to live there at some point. If that is the case, then northern Epirus is Greek, no? ;)
MAKEDANOS 2 years ago
Albanians have been majority in Chameria since time immemorial.
After WWII you have carried out ethnic cleansing on both muslim and christian albanians.You have expelled all the muslim albanians to Albania and dispersed most christian albanians all across Greece.
To this day you deny the existence of christian albanian chams.
Now, that is not particularly civilized!
You of all people should know what it means to have land stolen from you.
Turks stole your capital and half of historical Greece!
GentiRex 2 years ago
Since time immemorial? The first documented migration of Albanians to Epirus occurred in the 14th century. Compare that with the Greeks, who really have lived there since time immemorial, or at least since Epirus has been Epirus. Regarding the events of WWII, the collaboration of the Chams with the Nazis is well documented, so you really shouldn't be sulking now over an unfortunate situation which you brought upon yourselves.
MAKEDANOS 2 years ago
North and South Epirus = Southern Albania. South Epirus was taken from Gayreece in 1913 and finally cleansed of more than half of its albanian population. The rest of the christian chams became gayreek. An Albanian tribe of Chiamides and Mollosians is mentioned even by the Greek historian Strabo.
Pirrothecham 2 years ago 9
No. "The rest of the christian chams became gayreek." That's what you wrote. In other words, while we may disagree on their origins, we both agree that they are Greek now.
MAKEDANOS 2 years ago
@MAKEDANOS yeah yea, you here this music on the background what language is it song. ??? yeah right and you cant udnerstand it. so shut up and go suck some dick because makedonia really really dont exist
agon1984 1 year ago
As for the "Christian Albanians", they identify as Arvanites and Greeks, and resent your imperialistic attempts to claim them as Albanians. To this day, you deny their existence as Greeks. You are the last nation on earth in a position to lecture *us* on civilization.
MAKEDANOS 2 years ago
Besides, you'd be hard pressed to find anyone speaking "only" Arvanitika these days. All Arvanites speak Greek.
MAKEDANOS 2 years ago
So you are saying that the Arvanite language is suppressed on purpose? So they can become greek?
Pirrothecham 2 years ago 2
They *are* Greek, they don't need to *become* Greek. How is their language suppressed? They are free to speak it, but many see it as a relic of the past and are abandoning it in favour of learning more useful languages like English. It is up to the Arvanites themselves to preserve their language and no one else.
MAKEDANOS 2 years ago
@MAKEDANOS An assimilated Arvanit speak Greek, but not an puure Arvanit, thats the different.
And u call yourself Makedon? Oh my god...when u stopid to lie herself!?
Arvanits are Greek, BUlgarien-Slave are Makedon---....wellcome in the 15 century Mentality from Greeks and Slavs.....you dont have science in your country? Books?
Ferizajcity 1 year ago
@MAKEDANOS
infact there's a a small village in argolis,which clearly preserves the language and traditions.almost all the elders speak only arvanitika. :)
f0e0 1 year ago
@MAKEDANOS sure they have to speak greek if they live in greece,,,but this do not make them greek,,,arvanitika is an albanian dialect,,,check out wikipedia and try to talk arvanitika with an arvanite if you think it is greek
Truejustice100 1 year ago
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So im a greek too?Anway you can read :A history of greece from its conquest by the romans to the present days,George Finlay and you can know just a little bit more,about north epirus or continent in your language,and albanian people.All that sources were based from the official greek information.I dont want you to trust me,but it will came a time that you will trust the truth not me.
adonaicall 2 years ago
Only Albanians claim he was Albanian. Then again, Albanians also claim everyone from Kapodistrias to Alexander the Great to Aphrodite was Albanian. And then you woke up.
MAKEDANOS 2 years ago
to the uneducated author of this video that claims Greeks is a religion and not a nationality, what do you have to say about the ancient Greek people??? Where they all guided by a religion only??? And I know many Greeks that are athiest and some that still believe in the 12 gods and they consider themselves Greeks becuase being Greek is not a religion but an ethnicity that we are born with!!
Belgiumman 2 years ago
long live the real albanians of greece
shame on the shameless bstards who pretend te greek when they are truley albanian by blood and race
AndreaKola 2 years ago
Zoti i bekoft shqitparet, pershednetje nga shkupi.
albahackvideo 3 years ago 2
Ali Pasha did not kill Kristians but muslimans..he killd 20.000 thousend in Egypt muslima..so u can not say he is a musliman killer..am allso ARVANITAS my famiely lived in CORFU now in Vlore Albanian
albo4ever777 3 years ago
Ali Pasha did not kill Kristians but muslimans..he killd 20.000 thousend in Egypt muslima..so u can not say hi musliman killer..am allso ARVANITAS my famiely lived in CORFU now in Vlore Albanian
albo4ever777 3 years ago
Shqip ore vella, vetem shqip!
Pirrothecham 3 years ago
po :P SHQIP ssss
ju u kam dhjere racen grekeve
AndreaKola 3 years ago
Pata knaqesi te degjoj ket kenge te mrekulueshme,zoti i bekoft ate qe kendon ket keng,ata qe na ofruan mundesin qe ta degjojm dhe ata qe me knaqesi e degjojn
atlanticsdigital 3 years ago
ali pasha tepelena is particially to BLAME! i ready he killed christian albanians who didn't convert to islam...lol..i don't blame some of these arvanitas feeling more greek...i blame ali pasha tepelena..and albanian who lick his arse...
tina1988x 3 years ago
He killed all of his enemies that were a threat to his throne not just Christians. Ali Pasha built 5 churches in Aetolia during his reign. Arvanites feel Greek because "Greek" is a religion and not a nationality. Among those Albanians that worked and fought for Ali there were many Christians: Bocari, Verushi etc.
Pirrothecham 3 years ago
ali pasha tepelena was a muslim killer.
arvanitevaiza 3 years ago
Degjo muzik te mrekullueshme shqiptare dhe lere politiken vashezo
Pirrothecham 3 years ago
no he was none of the two
he was a harsh leader and a real albanian
he helped the greek animals when he should have choped all their heads one by one, just like he choped the turkish ones
AndreaKola 3 years ago
i have to reminde you that he masacred the arvanites soulitiotes! he was a monster, a muslim killer.
arvanitevaiza 3 years ago
WRONG
stop listening to the aging greek propaganda
it was designed to keep the arbereshi in greece and enemy to the muslem albanians and the new albanian state
AndreaKola 3 years ago
Just like Milosevic should've chopped all the albanian animals' heads off one by one? Be careful what you wish for.
MAKEDANOS 2 years ago
I wish death to all the greek BASTARDS
AndreaKola 2 years ago
Take of that makedonas you fucking imbecile.
adonaicall 2 years ago
Who's the "looser" imbecile here? You're telling me to surrender a Greek name that has nothing to do with Albania. To which I reply: suck it.
MAKEDANOS 2 years ago
DEATH TO ALL THE GREEK PIGS, AMEN!!
AndreaKola 2 years ago
I suggest you inform yourself on the orthographic rules of the English language before posting here, fucking Turkospore.
MAKEDANOS 2 years ago
I suggest you just be more modest next time,about afrodite and hermes union,yes we know that.
adonaicall 2 years ago
That's a relief, the last Albanian I had an argument with claimed that Aphrodite was Albanian LOL!
MAKEDANOS 2 years ago
I see a lot of greeks site that claim him as a greek.I think i know my roots dont you think so,my father its a writer in albania,and we have old documents in our house.Every old man in the village would be shocked if somebody say that Zhapa its greek.Cause the second name of labova its labova e zhapes.I think you must realize that not just bad think come from us,they are even good thinks,that some people try to hide.
adonaicall 2 years ago
Orthographic rules hmm,coming from a pseudo-greek that throw only trash for albanian.This peasant know more than 4 language,and his peasant grand grand father has a statue in Athens for the contribultion of the modern olympic games,Vangjel Zhapa..No related to turks by the way,just an albanian christian orthodocs.
adonaicall 2 years ago
I suggest you learn the rules of grammar as well. You may "know more than 4 language" [sic], but your English grammar leaves a lot to be desired. I see you acknowledge your Greek ancestry? Evangelos Zappas was a Greek from Northern Epirus.
MAKEDANOS 2 years ago
No its not a greek trust me.Just an albanian that liked greek culture,cause our village is called labova e vogel,little labova.He was for the independece of greece just like a lot of orthodocs christian albanian people.Dont read the wikipedia,that claim him as a greek,my uncle names for example are Vangjel,Sofokli,Apostol,Josif my father name its Albert.Its just the bizantin rite influence even in the names.
adonaicall 2 years ago