Reform it? Never going to happen, change? Not going to happen. A fairer system? Dream on! your parliament belongs to the super rich, like you do. Stop all this dreaming, toe the line and do as you are told! Your betters will make the decisions, reap the benefits and have the good lives, you can pay for it! Or rather you MUST pay for it!
HAHA he's a funny guy!!! £7000 a year would cripple the system for students he say's, but now he's voted for it to be £9000 a year and this is a good thing. I'm pretty sure he's part of the fib dems, not lib dems
LIBERAL DEMOCRAT MPs - You have a choice: sell out your principles (My party, right or wrong) by following party orders & abstaining or follow your conscience and do the right thing: VOTE AGAINST THE INCREASE IN STUDENT FEES. Your choice will be felt by a whole generation. Do the right thing.
A fully elected house is the status Quo in the USA and has led to corruption and undemocratic oligarchical rule.
If their voted for by us then the House of Commons becomes pointless and if their voted for by members of parliament the Lords will just become stooges.
It's sad that student fees had to go up, but it won't affect you until you're earning £21,000+ & then only 9%. Also, if you become unfit to work and when you reach 65 years old the debt is wiped, so the extra cost is not so much of a burden as has been propagated.
Also it affects the rich more as higher earners pay higher interest; quite populist.
The DWP has teamed up with the Royal Bank of Scotland and various housing associations to offer loans to the poor at an interest rate of . . . 30% per year. So it's not just Atos making a fortune at the expense of those in so much distress. Hand over your taxes, not for their intended purpose but for.... 'big business'. The sick with resulting disabilities are valued only in £s, as they die under the weight of the suffering and poverty inflicted upon them.
Vacuous rubbish as usual! The Lib Dems have gone to the dogs since Paddy Ashdown stepped down. Change politics for good? Yes by implementing Tory cuts and pandering to racism by supporting arbitrary Tory caps on immigration. Hang your pious, self-righteous head in shame Mr. Clegg.
True social democracy would be the ideal. There is nothing wrong with wanting to improve your standard of living so long as it does not come at the cost of others. And those that have succeeded should be willing to give something back, either services, personal time or money. While those who are less fortunate are not allowed to fall through the cracks in society. Basic levels of housing, healthcare, education and jobs could be provided. No more handouts but hand ups,
well letys see if they come through on their last manifesto promise to abolish the poll tax /community charge which they said was an unfair tax.. among other promises like abolish the TV LICENCE ...TIME WILL TELL
If you ask me mr clegg u sold us all BS with your election...I cant Believe your going to be Camerons poodle I will never VOTE LIB DEM AGAIN... You made out to us all you was diffrent...YOUR just like the rest...!!!!! BS!!!!!
Hey Clegg: noone wants to see this, especially not your voters, present or future:
News Flash
Berlin 1933
"Praisident von Queenenbattenburg has invited Herr Hameron, Fuhrer of the National Socialist Conservativen Partei, to form ein minority government. Reichsproganda Minister Borif Goenson will be Deputy Fuhrer."
I think the biggest concern, in the sense of 'Profit Motives': People are generally scared in case conservative end up with the Majority of the vote if a hung parliament exists. Rather a hung parliament than a conservative vote to keep on track of economic recovery. I have participated in global economic research; sustainable development is the answer. That includes ensuring jobs for highly qualified students, whose skills are currently under used, we need work experience programmes.
@ElseMush Hey Clegg: noone wants to see this, especially not your voters, present or future:
News Flash
Berlin 1933
"Praisident von Queenenbattenburg has invited Herr Hameron, Fuhrer of the National Socialist Conservativen Partei, to form ein minority government. Reichsproganda Minister Borif Goenson will be Deputy Fuhrer."
@ElseMush theyve all got their noses in the trough,and they will continue to do so hell be making as much money for himself and his freinds as possible and screw the rest of us,more taxes for us less for the rich
@jaguarclaw Its not a wasted vote because I think the Conservatives would run the country better. That's what I believe and it's not really for you to criticise.
@whereismybailouttv Obama was leader of a recognised major party. Clegg is the leader of a small eccentric group of policy nuts. Vote for Clegg and you'll end up with a Labour Government, that's hardly change that works for you!
@janebusby Hey Clegg: noone wants to see this, especially not your voters, present or future:
News Flash
Berlin 1933
"Praisident von Queenenbattenburg has invited Herr Hameron, Fuhrer of the National Socialist Conservativen Partei, to form ein minority government. Reichsproganda Minister Borif Goenson will be Deputy Fuhrer."
Unfortuately only 3 parties that the media deems worthy are given the opportunity of appearing on prime time tv to canvass for votes & whats the difference between Clegg & Cameron? (Men of the people) both from wealthy backgrounds private schools etc etc... Get rid of Nukes! that principle worked well for gun crime, now it seems that only the criminals mainly use them. Doh! A three horse race between tweedle dum, dee & doh!
what you think on APR credit card, why consumer morally low if they query their legal right against shark APR and why you have agreed to banking: firms' right of 'set off' if not what you would do strait away. most ombudsman working for firm then consumer some also have taken high job after working for ombudsman
Information commission view why taking side of lenders? And finally, why you have agreed to banking: firms' right of 'set off' if not what you would do strait away.
They will scrap the nuclear Detterent as its not particularly necessary. Can't remember the last time we nuked somebody and its not as if we play the nuke card in trade negotiations?
The amnesty; this is well conditioned; a residence period requirement; english language ability etc. Do you want illegal immigrants to pay wages or be lost in the system? It is one off as well.
Lets leave EU and become protectionistic again as it worked so well in the twentieth century.
@12345andy54321 scrapping our Nuclear deterrent puts Britain at risk. Nick Clegg will allow illegal immigrants to claim benefits and housing. He wants to give away more of our sovereignty to Europe. He wants to scrap the pound and legalise marijuana. Nick Clegg is a danger to British democracy.
With respect, you cannot keep saying something without substantiation. I've already stated why scrapping the nuclear deterrent is sensible. The QUALIFIED amnesty is effective and we already do it unofficially after 14 years of residence. He is a sensible pro-European. Opening up the market is better than protecting uncompetitive industry. Regarding, marijuana, please type 'decriminalising drugs portugal' into google and read the article from 'TIME'. Decriminalisation can work.
@12345andy54321 yeah but you said that a reason for scrapping the nuclear deterrent is because you can't remember the last time we had to nuke somebody.
You should look up the word 'deterrent'. Nick Clegg puts our national security at risk, our independent sovereignty at risk and our economy at risk with a £17bn tax tax shift we can't afford. If we'd followed Clegg's advice a year ago and joined the euro, we would already have had to go to the IMF. We can't risk these dangerous policies.
I think it is improper to maintain the focus on deterrent when Russia and USA are reducing their arsenal. Either way, Clegg has categorically stated that Trident will not go ahead but a cheaper nuclear deterrent is a possibility. Given your concern over affording tax cuts, a cheaper deterrent should be preferred.
@12345andy54321 but Russia and USA aren't mad enough to scrap their weapons systems altogether. It's great that Clegg has now admitted that he wants to introduce another untried, unknown and uncosted alternative. It's clueless.
Yes, light may be brought to this 'black hole' as you fail to mention the revenue and savings from cutting pensions relief for high earners, the mansion tax on properties worth £2m, the abolishment of ID cards and the trimming of child benefit and tax credits for high earners. Very little emphasis is placed on so called efficiency savings. According to the Tories they can find £27bn efficiency savings without affecting frontline services. Do you believe that?
@12345andy54321The LIb Dem figue adds up to £7bn, hence the £10bn black hole. And that's before we have heard any policies about reducing the deficit that we have from the Tories, such as freezing the pay of higher paid civil servants, stopping tax credits to families with incomes over £50,000 and capping public sector pensions above £50,000. Tough decisions, but an honest approach.
My point is this; do you spend what is projected around £100bn on a system that sends out the wrong message with regards to proliferation at a time when arms reduction is the key; they do not counter the more immediate threat of terrorism. I believe that complete disarmament is impossible given that the knowledge to build them will exist. Surely a Defence Review in the new parliament looking at all the options is better than a sure committment to one cause.
@12345andy54321 The review was carried out a few years ago- based on both cost and operability and we're now committed to trident renewal. It will be coupled with a reduction in our nuclear stockpile and one less submarine than we have at the moment. A lesser system is unknown, uncosted and would put our security at risk.
I disagree. But I will agree to disagree. The only thing I object to is the honest approach of the Conservative Party.
The former chancellor Clarke and now Cameron are scaremongering the people over the prospect of a hung parliament; Nick Robinson of BBC spoke of how the Tory spin doctors have been part of the right wing media attacks on Clegg. This is before the Tory indecision over Europe and the support for a sectarian electoral pact in South Tyrone.
@12345andy54321 The British Chambers of Commerce have released a report that shows two thirds of businesses are concerned about the results of a hung parliament. Increasingly this election is about a choice between a hung parliament that would be politically and economically damaging or a fresh start with the Conservatives. The last hung parliament we had resulted in the winter of discontent.
Do you want British demoracy to be held to ransom by the report of 300 firms? What about the electorate? The polls suggest that more of the public would prefer a hung parliament. Imagine if British politics had to get rid of school bad indiscipline in the House of Commons and actually have to work together. The lower house would not be the rubber stamp it currently is. If Germany can operate in coalitions, then why is this country incapable of doing the same?
@12345andy54321 People don't understand the threat of a hung Parliament. What we need is a party with a clear majority, otherwise it'll just be squabbling in the back corridors of Parliament. I want a clear and transparent Parliament where a leading party has a mandate to carry out changes to clean up our political system. A hung Parliament would be a political disaster as well as an economic disaster.
The £17bn tax cut is to give people the first £10,000 tax free. If you look at the other parties I think the problem is worse; Tories; above inflation rise in public spending for NHS; married couples tax break; inheritance tax threshold rise etc
With regards to the Euro, the Lib Dems have promised a referendum. With respect, you have possibly read too much of Ken Clarke's scaremongering. Ireland has the Euro and is in bad economic condition; it has taken tough measures.Was the IMF involved?
@12345andy54321 its a Lib Dem tax shift that gives more money to people on middle or high incomes. The poorest 10% only see £1.5bn of the £17bn. The Tories have made clear that they're funding the married couples allowance with a bank levy and the inheritance threshold rise by a levy on non-doms. The Lib Dem tax proposal has a £10bn black hole.
Don't expect anything to change after the election whoever you vote for. All the main parties are loyal to organizations like Common Purpose, the Bilderberg group, the EU and the globalist banking cartel. All are aiding the subversion of the UK on behalf of the EU. All support the growing police state, the aggressive wars, the banker bailouts and the destruction of British freedom and sovereignty. The voting system is there to give the illusion of choice. Research the new world order.
Remember my friends its going to be you and I, who have to tell our children that we did not vote for the LibDems even that the hard facts tell us we should have. Its a fact that if you dont vote for the LibDems in 2010, then we are going to get more broken promises / blunders/ lies from labour & conservatives thats a fact. I dont want to have that story to tell my children and grandchildren do you? Thats why Im voting LibDem.
The Conservative & Labours behaviour over the last 50 years is diabolical. All the false statements made with deliberate intent to deceive us so Lord Ashcroft could be a Lord. Ive been a Conservative for more than 55 years, and Im sick of all the smoke & mirrors and broken promises, one after another. My wife and I with friends will be voting for the LibDems.
Haha... do you mean a society with no order? A society where nobody makes decisions for the collective benefit of society? A society without public services? A society that is simply survival of the fittest? Or would you prefer a society based upon feudalism (where people are ruled by lords and landowners) instead of democracy? Admittedly politicians have let themselves down, but its the responsibility of the public to ensure that the right politicians are voted in.
Im a member of the lid dems, I fully support everything the party stands for. But I feel Nick Clegg is unalectable. He is a great politician, but he is no Tony Blair to the media...
Unfortunately the major flaw in this democratic society is that the media controls it. The media control who is heard by the public. This is unfair and undemocratic and gives no party other than labour and the conservatives a chance.
@bctillidie Thats a good point, however the Lib Dem leader has now become the biggest beneficiary of the media. Clegg's youth, looks, and smoothness have rocketed him up in the polls despite the fact that few in Britain would approve of most of the things he would like to do if made prime minister.
@LightYearsFromHere I wouldn't say he's the biggest beneficiary at all. His recent surge in popularity has proven my point thanks to finally being given a more equal platform to make people aware of what the lib dems can offer. The biggest beneficiary of the media is without doubt David Cameron. The number of papers that are biased in his favour is ridiculous. Rupert Murdoch is the Tories' mot influential follower. People should have a right to unbiased and reliable sources of information.
@bctillidie Hey Clegg: noone wants to see this, especially not your voters, present or future:
News Flash
Berlin 1933
"Praisident von Queenenbattenburg has invited Herr Hameron, Fuhrer of the National Socialist Conservativen Partei, to form ein minority government. Reichsproganda Minister Borif Goenson will be Deputy Fuhrer."
@bctillidie That is because the media is controlled. There is no free press.
The real problem is that Labour, Conservatives and Liberal Democrats are all the same. The Greens are a joke. The BNP are scum. Only UKIP is left. Well apart from a few tiny parties.
Agreed. Its important that children are born with an equal chance to succeed instead of being oppressed by conservatism. I agree with those people who say that those who've not made the right decisions in life don't necessarily deserve welfare, but their children haven't made the decision to be poor and deserve an equal opportunity to prosper. Reducing poverty can improve crime rates and public health among other problems in society.
@AllyKaht I don't really agree with taxing the rich more for being wealthy - It's essentially the same as turning up at a shop and they charge you £100 for a loaf of bread because you have the money. A better option would be to simply introduce a maximum wage, if you made it say £100k a year, the wage limit would only affect roughly 1% of the population, and the extra capital they would earn could even out and boost the lower wages.
@AllyKaht Stifling the earnings of the rich slows growth and creates an incentive for them to flee to a more tax-friendlier country. Producing incentives for them to stay gets them to contribute to the economy by how much they spend, not by how much we take. The, 'robin hood system' as you call it, gives the state more and more control and a precedent to intrude in our lives. I believe in taxing the rich more than the poor, but not to the extent where we are living in an anti-capitalist economy.
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Its all Bull shit.
Tax the rich!? the people who drive this country? If you have worked hard all your life and earnt lots of money then you should be punished? Give my regards to your mentor Fidel Castro when you see him next.
I'm a 24 year old, been running my own business for 4 years and it is doing well for the sole reason I am working hard (7 day weeks). One day I hope to have a nice house with lots of land so I can be sustainable. I don't want my hard earned wages being used to fund your welfare cheques and ruining England with out dated immigration laws. When will an MP rise to the mark and just cut out all the bullshit red tape that is preventing entrepreneurship and development on this otherwise beautiful land
All I care is that things are more fair around here, criminals get what they deserve, the health care is improved and invested, people from working poor and working class get more educational growth and less benefits.
I hope that you will keep the passion you start with, that passion is all you need "experience" is a not necessary.
Love for this country and unwavering morals is all this country needs.
There are periods in history when change is necessary, and other periods when it is better to keep everything for the time as it is. The art of life is to be in the rhythm of your age.
Isreal sucks more than ass. The jewish government are oppresive and they took land of the arabs illeagally. The only reason the west supports them is because the jews in America have all the money.
If the arabs have all the oil money then why are the American soldiers is Saudi Arabia! The palastinians are arabs you thick shit! And I don't think Isreal should be wiped of the map I belive there should be an arab state and an Isreal state.
All I'm saying is that if jews didn't control everything in america why did america break the Nuclear Proliferation treaty in order to help Isreal build Nuclear weapons and enrich Urainium?
1 Because even Saudi Arabia felt threatened by Iraq and still feels threatened by Iran--foreign boots are on Saudi soil by invitation, remember?
2 There are no people called "palastinians", you "thick shit".
3 Indeed, there should be two states living side by side without one seeking to destroy the other AND without other nearby states exploiting one of the two to wipe the other off the map.
4B It was America which detected and revealed "the Vela incident"
4C It was Carter who outed "the 150 nuclear warheads" story
4D Ambassador Rabin in 1960 REPORTED to the US-SD after the fact, not seeking permission before the fact
4E Israel developed and co-tested with South Africa--which much of the rest of the world did not know had them until way after it announced getting rid of them
Just because America is what stands in the way of countries in the region from obliterating Israel does not mean that Israel is in the habit of seeking prior permission from America on matters which, if unstopped, will produce precisely that very result.
And while Israel sources much of its weapons from America, the reality of the world is that there are countless others willing to supply it with weapons and technology--after all, as you say, "they have all the money".
If the house of lords is elected directly by the demos, then it becomes like the house of commons. She what, then, would be the point of a second house at all?
Their Lordships blocked the 42 days prison bid. Their Lordships are far more expert with their brief than the careerists in the Commons. Where else could you find some of the greatest economists in the world, Britain's greatest post war PM in Baroness Thatcher, Britain's most accomplished surgeon Lord Darzi, or very good businessmen (who incidentally sit on the Tory benches). What has the Commons got! Careerists tossers leading 3 main parties and very little talent on front benches.
They can also Veto laws. In order for the upper chamber to be elected they would need the support from about 2/3 of the lords. The Lib Dem peers would certainly vote for it, the conservative ones would not, Labour may be split, asfor the others i have no idea.
Labour has been completly annihilated in the county council elections, meanwhile tories and Lib Dems do fairly well, with the conservative taking the vast amount of councils and Lib Dems holding the second most amount of seats in the majority of them and labour completly trailing behind, lets hope this is a sign of what the next pariament will be like;)
This is bullshit, it wasnt all labours fault, we live in a globalised world, its a world downturn, you cant just blame it one factor or nation you pricks. David cameron says he can make changes ... but he never says how, know why? because hes a toss pot and wont do shit. All bullshit, politics sucks.
The only way to change policies is to change the corrupt puppet politicians AND the masters who own them all. It has nothing do do with parties at all.
I'm really glad Nick Clegg's using the current crisis as a sprongboard to talk about wider-reaching changes to our political system which will, frankly, touch us more - your life is affected less by your MP's dodgy expenses than it is by the fact you have to obey laws proposed by an unfairly-elected parliament and blessed by a totally unelected House of Lords.
The only was forward out of this mess is to give power to the people.... but properly. Provide a mechanism of allowing people's voices to be heard directly by those in power, instead of via their MPs which doesn't work. We do pretty much everything else electronically now without worryinjg about fraud - why not governing the nation? Set up online or telephone voting on everything that matters and let the people decide.
I think a really big change needs to be made myself. End the domination of Parliament by the executive. Where is the separation of powers under the current system. I have voted LibDem for years but if they will ensure the whipping system is ended I must say I am very tempted by what I hear of this new Jury Party I believe it is called.
Well, it's the same problems we have in Norway. The most liberal party, FRP, is at about 25% now. Labour is about 30% and socialist party is at 7%. The two last ones have the government now (with a third minor party). But if only journalists vote the two would get maybe 70% and FRP would be left outside the parliament with not enough votes. See the problem? If media were more representative of peoples opinions things would be quite different. FRP has 25% with almost NO support in media.
Nick Clegg - you are a political waste of space. Why don't your party and yourself come up with your own political beliefs, instead of a half baked amalgamation of liberalist idiocy?
Your idea of government is a sugar coated whale loving liberalist idocy which thus far, has got us no where. Limp Dims will get us nowhere, and you my power grasping friend are most certainly not the man to help this country out of its current crisis.
'Nick Clegg - you are a political waste of space. Why don't your party and yourself come up with your own political beliefs, instead of a half baked amalgamation of liberalist idiocy?
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Thats like saying 'you damn conservatives, why dont you come up with your own plitical idealogy instead of stealing from conservatism idealogy.
The UK economy (not that it's alone, to be fair) is now held hostage to a bunch of international carpetbaggers and former camel herders. Lib Dems: Not putting the Grrrrr back into Great Britain :-) The Lib Dems are actually more dangerous than the BNP. The BNP does what it says on the tin, so can be avoided more easily. But the Lib Dems' politics, are akin to a frog, in a pan of water, being slowly brought to the boil without realising it is in a deadly situation.
Sorry to say but you're pretty impressively ignorant if you think the BNP does exactly what it says on the tin. Compare the printed and privately offered views of their members with their party leaflets and adverts.
And as to the rest of your points...you can't possibly accuse the Lib Dems of poor monetary policy...when pretty much everyone in Westminster and even the press listen with baited breath whenever Vince Cable has something to say.
That dosen't mean he's write. Him and his party were advocating even higher taxes and even higher public spending during the boom years. That would mean more debt. That would mean less confidence in our financial markets from international investors, which would mean it would be harder to borrow the money to implement a Keynesian stimulus, and it would be more expensive to borrow because of debt interest. Thank God Cable wasn't Chancellor.
Higher taxes increase national debt if you believe in the mechanics of the Laffer Curve, in which if you tax too high you lose revenues because people hoard capital, move it abroad or simply tax dodge.
Don't the Scandinavians have pretty aggressively over the top socialist tax systems? Much more than the Lib Dems propose? I was under that impression. I'm not going to get into an economics argument because it's not my forte. I don't the Scandinavian countries are doing badly for themselves.
Besides, aren't all the rich people ALREADY dodging tax horrendously? I mean, I think the Lib Dems would be more concerned with getting very rich people to pay a fair amount of tax.
They do. They also have very high suicide rates. Also, they, like Venezeula, live of oil prices. But Denmark abandoned the socialist Scandinavian model because it crippled their country. Switzerland has one of the most capitalist economies in the world, and it is very strong.
Taxation is a form of theft. People have a right to keep 100% of their income and choose how to spend the money themselves. The difference between a welfare state and totalitarianism is only a matter of time.
I'm not sure that is a particularly mainstream way of thinking. I'm pretty certain it isn't. I don't know about Denmark, but I thought Norway and Sweden were doing fine for themselves, and Finland? We both know the suicide rate is inconsequential. I didn't think Switzerland was a Scandinavian country.
Your opinion on taxation is a bit weird. It's very extremist. Either government is totally controlling or it does nothing at all. If history has told us one thing it's that extremes fail.
It's weird wanting people to keep the money they work hard for? Extremes that contradict human nature fail. Capitalism is the implementation of human nature. Capitalism wasn't an ideology created by middle class hypocrites e.g. socialism, it simply developed over time because people traded commodities using gold.
I agree, capitalism is the only possible way forward. Vince Cable was Shell's chief economist in 1995...he's a realist, not some sort of radical hyper-liberal wanting to dole out everyone's money.
The problem with neat, free capitalism is slavery and economic slavery. The sort of democratic capitalism the US and UK enjoy seems to be VERY different from the free reign, do whatever the fuck you want capitalism of burgeoning states like India, very rich people do need to be fair.
I disagree with you. Libertarian ideas are deeply flawed. You talk about people having rights, but in a Libertarian model 95% of people have less rights. It allows businessmen far too much. The government is the glue of the moral fabric of society.
Without moral fabric, society becomes a terrible place for the unfortunate, poor and weak.
The most economically free countries are the happiest and most prosperous. I'm not an anarchist, but I think the government should have responsibility for defence and helping those who physically cannot help themselves e.g. disabled people. Otherwise they can piss off and leave me alone.
That first sentence is just pure invention. There aren't any valid statistics for that. What does 'economically free' mean? Russia, with its flat tax? Brazil, entrepreneur's dream? China, where you can just pay off the government and have hundreds of sweat shops, paying your workers nothing?
The key to life and indeed politics is balance, and libertarianism fails to promote balance between economic power and morality.
The lib dem agenda is one of devolution and decentralization
Which means it's actually quite wrong to call it simply 'big government'. It does of course stand for making life fairer for people.
I have seen your profile and you support the ideals of small government. There's nothing wrong with being conservative but I suggest that you grow out of a libertarian mindset, it is a deeply flawed, disrespected and discredited system of government.
Check out the graphs from Heritage and the Cato Institute. They prove my point.
The Lib Dem agenda is to say absolutely anything for popularity. They are the most opportunistic shit faced fuckers in politics and they are the dirtiest campaigners in politics, who think nothing of lying. They jump on everybandwagon possible e.g. spread pernicious lies about Israel and their ''occupation'' of Palestine, which is complete bullshit, and their lies about global warming, which is also a myth.
I find it very difficult to believe there could be graphs to prove your point, can you link them please, I have an essay to write!
I think you are looking at politics through rose tinted spectacles if you think the Lib Dems do ANY more to curry favour with the public than any of the political parties out there. I don't know why you think the Lib Dems 'lie' any more than the Tories or Labour, but that's just crazy talk.
No idea what you are talking about global warming lol.
It seems you get too much information from the internet. Put away your conspiracy theory websites. The Middle-East issue is a complicated one and neither the Israelis nor the Palestinians are fully to blame for the problems that have been going on.
As far as global warming goes, look, if you want to be one of these people who disbelieves leading figures in the field then go ahead, you are entitled to your own opinion. I hope you grow out of it. It's like this 'evolution is fake' malarky.
Unlike you, I research ''independently peer revied science,'' not the pseudo science that Kofi Annan passes off as fact. Please tell me why the planet has not warmed since 1998 and why temperates have fallen slightly since 2002. Why has Mars also warmed during the last century despite no human activity? Please tell me.
MICKMARS90, you are a heretic! You are committing blasphemy against The Great Al Gore--the inventor of the internet!
Don't you know that global warming is now a huge industry--do you know how many will suffer economically if it is debunked? do you not care? Don't you know that Europe's sense of superiority is built on its "environmental credentials"--what will make it a world leader? what happens to The Greens?
No they don't. The UN does. Israel is the natural homeland, and was the homeland only for the Jews.
Notice how the so called Palestinians never sent suicide bombers into Egypt and Jordan when they controlled Gaza and the West Bank before 1967 when Israel rightly claimed them back. They didn't care. But they care now because the Palestinians are vicious anti-Semites.
The Israeli PM offered a two state solution the other day, and they rejected it because they cannot abide by Israel
And by the way I'm not necessarily saying that libertarian ideals are bad for the economy, they are just morally indefensible. 'Easy way out' rhetoric leads to Naziism and Communism.
The BNP 'does what it says on the tin' sufficiently well, to know what it is about, for one to reach an informed enough conclusion. I would agree that Vince Cable has many worthwhile things to say, but his actions are constrained by political expediency, so that what he says, is ultimately of no more value than those he criticises. The Lib Dems are supposed to be in the vanguard of a new politics, not a new line of incompetence, backed up by the capable Vince Cable.
I don't know what you mean by 'his actions'. About government policy, all Vince can do is opine and convince. He deals very well with his constituency which is why he is always far ahead in opinion polls in Twickenham and Hampton. I'm not sure I've heard many people in the Lib Dem party disagreeing with him? I could just be ignorant there though.
Vince Cable's actions, opinions and convictions, are held hostage to Fiat Money, the Central Banking system and Fractional Reserve Banking. The good people being polled in the likes of Twickenham and Hampton, probably have no knowledge about such complications and/or the implications, so have nothing to complain about. This is not to suggest that they are ignorant/stupid, but simply alludes to Tony Benn, who has said that he is never asked about the NASDAQ, by voters.
Well look I appreciate that you know more about economics than me but I said 'I don't know what you mean by 'his actions'', and you didn't really reply to that. His councillorship of his constituency has nothing to do with his opinions on government finance.
I guess in order to find a hole in Cable's arguments you could first point me to some public criticisms of his ideas by leading economists. That might be a start. I know for one that Andrew Neil thinks highly of him lol.
His constituency actions have no impact on the UK economy since he is not in an executive position. But, were he to become chancellor, his actions would have no more credibility than his Parliamentary counterparts. You won't find any criticism of Vince Cable by leading economists because the ones picked to be on the television and radio, are consistent with preferred economic policies (Paul Krugman, etc., and Vince is not on anyone's radar. Try these channels: PeterSchiffChannel misesmedia
Well are there any in newspapers or on the internet? It doesn't have to be the television or radio. But if you can't find any mainstream criticisms of Cable's ideas it either means, as you pointed out, that he is not important enough; or it means that there aren't enough criticisms to make.
I'll check out PeterSchiffChannel sure, seeing as I want to learn more.
Yes, I am an advocate of Austrian Economics. The most up to date treatment is Capitalism: A Treatise on Economics by George Reisman who was a contemporary of Ludwig von Mises and Murray Rothbard, and is still alive :-) You can download a *.pdf of the Reisman book from capitalism (dot) net.
I have the book. I have a lot of Reisman speeches from the media section of the VonMisesInstitute website. Excellent site. Who is your favourite Austrian? Mine personally is Rothbard. He was exceptionally knowledable about economics, but he was linguistically violent, and I actually feel sorry for those who came under his scrutiny e.g. his article on Milton Friedman and Lord Cunt JM Keynes. He was also a very funny guy.
I've seen a few of Murray R's videos on the misesmedia channel. He certainly had an impish sense of humour and wasn't afraid to ruffle a few feathers :-) Keynes comes in for a lot of stick, but it took others to put his theories into practice, like the guy who mused about Perfect Competition. It's like blaming Churchill for starting wars. Not on his own he didn't. Anyway, Peter Schiff, Thomas DiLorenzo, Yaron Brook, Lew Rockwell, Hans Hoppe, and Walter Block, for example, are good to follow.
Lew Rockwell's site is excellent. Professor Salerno did a lecture called ''Ending the Monetary Fiasco.'' It is an excellent lecture. Hazlitt wrote an excellent, line by line critique of the General Theory.
Keynes admitted his theories were more suited to totalitarian governments! If Keynes didn't propose those theories, they wouldn;'t be there to implement.
that is the wonderful idea that i've ever seen
gabberttia 4 months ago
All this means nothing. When the new world order kicks in, all this politico-jargon the politicians speak won't mean jack.
martynblackburn1977 7 months ago
Reform it? Never going to happen, change? Not going to happen. A fairer system? Dream on! your parliament belongs to the super rich, like you do. Stop all this dreaming, toe the line and do as you are told! Your betters will make the decisions, reap the benefits and have the good lives, you can pay for it! Or rather you MUST pay for it!
2ruedas2 8 months ago
How could anyone say no to these proposals in this video?
2edsajdmsa 1 year ago
libdems know how to lie snp keep their policies at least vote snp
MrScottishJamie 1 year ago
HAHA he's a funny guy!!! £7000 a year would cripple the system for students he say's, but now he's voted for it to be £9000 a year and this is a good thing. I'm pretty sure he's part of the fib dems, not lib dems
BAChristianJLS 1 year ago
LIBERAL DEMOCRAT MPs - You have a choice: sell out your principles (My party, right or wrong) by following party orders & abstaining or follow your conscience and do the right thing: VOTE AGAINST THE INCREASE IN STUDENT FEES. Your choice will be felt by a whole generation. Do the right thing.
andrewshere 1 year ago
@andrewshere Vote for the increase.
JuanMacready 1 year ago
A fully elected house is the status Quo in the USA and has led to corruption and undemocratic oligarchical rule.
If their voted for by us then the House of Commons becomes pointless and if their voted for by members of parliament the Lords will just become stooges.
purdeythedog 7 months ago
It's sad that student fees had to go up, but it won't affect you until you're earning £21,000+ & then only 9%. Also, if you become unfit to work and when you reach 65 years old the debt is wiped, so the extra cost is not so much of a burden as has been propagated.
Also it affects the rich more as higher earners pay higher interest; quite populist.
purdeythedog 7 months ago
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TheCheesyRebel 1 year ago
I shake my head over the tuition fees he promised not to raise
harrytermon 1 year ago
this lot WILL GET THE COUNTRY IN THE SHIT who knows how we get back out
probably labour again theres no one else the rest dont have a clue.
starstruckone 1 year ago
Change politics for good... for the good of the M.P's
Films4You 1 year ago
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The DWP has teamed up with the Royal Bank of Scotland and various housing associations to offer loans to the poor at an interest rate of . . . 30% per year. So it's not just Atos making a fortune at the expense of those in so much distress. Hand over your taxes, not for their intended purpose but for.... 'big business'. The sick with resulting disabilities are valued only in £s, as they die under the weight of the suffering and poverty inflicted upon them.
BritishSnail 1 year ago
Vacuous rubbish as usual! The Lib Dems have gone to the dogs since Paddy Ashdown stepped down. Change politics for good? Yes by implementing Tory cuts and pandering to racism by supporting arbitrary Tory caps on immigration. Hang your pious, self-righteous head in shame Mr. Clegg.
npe1 1 year ago 4
Bad liar Nick, you little Tory :P
Lab356 1 year ago
turn to 1:00 and shit yourself laughing!
Matpat112 1 year ago
Thatchers bastard offspring from her affairs with Archer & Major !!!!
ragnor56 1 year ago
Nick, can I have my vote back please? I didn't want the Conservatives.
forest4life 1 year ago
True social democracy would be the ideal. There is nothing wrong with wanting to improve your standard of living so long as it does not come at the cost of others. And those that have succeeded should be willing to give something back, either services, personal time or money. While those who are less fortunate are not allowed to fall through the cracks in society. Basic levels of housing, healthcare, education and jobs could be provided. No more handouts but hand ups,
kidfos 1 year ago
well letys see if they come through on their last manifesto promise to abolish the poll tax /community charge which they said was an unfair tax.. among other promises like abolish the TV LICENCE ...TIME WILL TELL
ratrat29 1 year ago
Vote me, get Tory, because I am one.
onwebcameron 1 year ago 2
If you ask me mr clegg u sold us all BS with your election...I cant Believe your going to be Camerons poodle I will never VOTE LIB DEM AGAIN... You made out to us all you was diffrent...YOUR just like the rest...!!!!! BS!!!!!
kinesas101 1 year ago
@kinesas101 they are all the same there made in the same factory its all a sham behind closed doors there all best pals same shit different day
ratrat29 1 year ago
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Hey Clegg: noone wants to see this, especially not your voters, present or future:
News Flash
Berlin 1933
"Praisident von Queenenbattenburg has invited Herr Hameron, Fuhrer of the National Socialist Conservativen Partei, to form ein minority government. Reichsproganda Minister Borif Goenson will be Deputy Fuhrer."
seriousnews2 1 year ago
I think the biggest concern, in the sense of 'Profit Motives': People are generally scared in case conservative end up with the Majority of the vote if a hung parliament exists. Rather a hung parliament than a conservative vote to keep on track of economic recovery. I have participated in global economic research; sustainable development is the answer. That includes ensuring jobs for highly qualified students, whose skills are currently under used, we need work experience programmes.
tinklephone 1 year ago
Watch his hands. He's coached to the eyeballs!
His party were in the expenses scandal just as much as the others.
ElseMush 1 year ago
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@ElseMush Hey Clegg: noone wants to see this, especially not your voters, present or future:
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Berlin 1933
"Praisident von Queenenbattenburg has invited Herr Hameron, Fuhrer of the National Socialist Conservativen Partei, to form ein minority government. Reichsproganda Minister Borif Goenson will be Deputy Fuhrer."
seriousnews2 1 year ago
@ElseMush theyve all got their noses in the trough,and they will continue to do so hell be making as much money for himself and his freinds as possible and screw the rest of us,more taxes for us less for the rich
ratrat29 1 year ago
@jaguarclaw Its not a wasted vote because I think the Conservatives would run the country better. That's what I believe and it's not really for you to criticise.
rickinoz2005 1 year ago
@jaguarclaw fair enough. But if none of us vote we'll end up with Gordon Brown for another 5 years, which is why I'm going to vote Conservative!
rickinoz2005 1 year ago
Keep this in mind. How many people in the 2008 Stateside election said Obama had no chance? And look what happened.
The difference between Obama and Clegg? Nobody's accusing Clegg of being a war criminal.
whereismybailouttv 1 year ago
@whereismybailouttv Obama was leader of a recognised major party. Clegg is the leader of a small eccentric group of policy nuts. Vote for Clegg and you'll end up with a Labour Government, that's hardly change that works for you!
rickinoz2005 1 year ago
NICK CLEGG must call David Cameron out on his closed door meetings on Rupert Murdochs Yacht.
The Tories are a nasty, elitest, corporate controlled party set on taxing the poor and cutting taxes for the rich.
janebusby 1 year ago
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@janebusby Hey Clegg: noone wants to see this, especially not your voters, present or future:
News Flash
Berlin 1933
"Praisident von Queenenbattenburg has invited Herr Hameron, Fuhrer of the National Socialist Conservativen Partei, to form ein minority government. Reichsproganda Minister Borif Goenson will be Deputy Fuhrer."
seriousnews2 1 year ago
Have you seen the video of Vince Cable being trashed on the Campaign Show by Jon Sopel?
People are fed up with hearing one man claim his party were not involved in the old, dirty politics.
rickinoz2005 1 year ago
I love Nick Clegg.
NikkiEatsRainbows 1 year ago
Conservatives and Labour have had their chance, LibDems should have theirs
mrpoultry 1 year ago
Nick.. who do you think you are addressing .. morons?
your policies are shit.
inkybinky 1 year ago
I couldn't vote Lib Dem for one reason and one reason only. I wouldn't feel safe.
We either keep our nuclear deterrents until the rest of the world lose theirs or we might as well put a gun to our heads now.
NDawn 1 year ago
Unfortuately only 3 parties that the media deems worthy are given the opportunity of appearing on prime time tv to canvass for votes & whats the difference between Clegg & Cameron? (Men of the people) both from wealthy backgrounds private schools etc etc... Get rid of Nukes! that principle worked well for gun crime, now it seems that only the criminals mainly use them. Doh! A three horse race between tweedle dum, dee & doh!
fridgehorse 1 year ago
il tell child killers "live and let live" vote for me.
mikey83x 1 year ago
what you think on APR credit card, why consumer morally low if they query their legal right against shark APR and why you have agreed to banking: firms' right of 'set off' if not what you would do strait away. most ombudsman working for firm then consumer some also have taken high job after working for ombudsman
Information commission view why taking side of lenders? And finally, why you have agreed to banking: firms' right of 'set off' if not what you would do strait away.
gujaratimusic 1 year ago
Have you heard the Lib Dems are going to scrap our Nuclear Deterrent and give an amnesty to asylum seekers?
They also want us to give more powers to Europe and join the euro.
rickinoz2005 1 year ago
They will scrap the nuclear Detterent as its not particularly necessary. Can't remember the last time we nuked somebody and its not as if we play the nuke card in trade negotiations?
The amnesty; this is well conditioned; a residence period requirement; english language ability etc. Do you want illegal immigrants to pay wages or be lost in the system? It is one off as well.
Lets leave EU and become protectionistic again as it worked so well in the twentieth century.
12345andy54321 1 year ago
@12345andy54321 scrapping our Nuclear deterrent puts Britain at risk. Nick Clegg will allow illegal immigrants to claim benefits and housing. He wants to give away more of our sovereignty to Europe. He wants to scrap the pound and legalise marijuana. Nick Clegg is a danger to British democracy.
rickinoz2005 1 year ago
With respect, you cannot keep saying something without substantiation. I've already stated why scrapping the nuclear deterrent is sensible. The QUALIFIED amnesty is effective and we already do it unofficially after 14 years of residence. He is a sensible pro-European. Opening up the market is better than protecting uncompetitive industry. Regarding, marijuana, please type 'decriminalising drugs portugal' into google and read the article from 'TIME'. Decriminalisation can work.
12345andy54321 1 year ago
@12345andy54321 yeah but you said that a reason for scrapping the nuclear deterrent is because you can't remember the last time we had to nuke somebody.
You should look up the word 'deterrent'. Nick Clegg puts our national security at risk, our independent sovereignty at risk and our economy at risk with a £17bn tax tax shift we can't afford. If we'd followed Clegg's advice a year ago and joined the euro, we would already have had to go to the IMF. We can't risk these dangerous policies.
rickinoz2005 1 year ago
I think it is improper to maintain the focus on deterrent when Russia and USA are reducing their arsenal. Either way, Clegg has categorically stated that Trident will not go ahead but a cheaper nuclear deterrent is a possibility. Given your concern over affording tax cuts, a cheaper deterrent should be preferred.
12345andy54321 1 year ago
@12345andy54321 but Russia and USA aren't mad enough to scrap their weapons systems altogether. It's great that Clegg has now admitted that he wants to introduce another untried, unknown and uncosted alternative. It's clueless.
rickinoz2005 1 year ago
Yes, light may be brought to this 'black hole' as you fail to mention the revenue and savings from cutting pensions relief for high earners, the mansion tax on properties worth £2m, the abolishment of ID cards and the trimming of child benefit and tax credits for high earners. Very little emphasis is placed on so called efficiency savings. According to the Tories they can find £27bn efficiency savings without affecting frontline services. Do you believe that?
12345andy54321 1 year ago
@12345andy54321The LIb Dem figue adds up to £7bn, hence the £10bn black hole. And that's before we have heard any policies about reducing the deficit that we have from the Tories, such as freezing the pay of higher paid civil servants, stopping tax credits to families with incomes over £50,000 and capping public sector pensions above £50,000. Tough decisions, but an honest approach.
rickinoz2005 1 year ago
@rickinoz2005
My point is this; do you spend what is projected around £100bn on a system that sends out the wrong message with regards to proliferation at a time when arms reduction is the key; they do not counter the more immediate threat of terrorism. I believe that complete disarmament is impossible given that the knowledge to build them will exist. Surely a Defence Review in the new parliament looking at all the options is better than a sure committment to one cause.
12345andy54321 1 year ago
@12345andy54321 The review was carried out a few years ago- based on both cost and operability and we're now committed to trident renewal. It will be coupled with a reduction in our nuclear stockpile and one less submarine than we have at the moment. A lesser system is unknown, uncosted and would put our security at risk.
rickinoz2005 1 year ago
@rickinoz2005
I disagree. But I will agree to disagree. The only thing I object to is the honest approach of the Conservative Party.
The former chancellor Clarke and now Cameron are scaremongering the people over the prospect of a hung parliament; Nick Robinson of BBC spoke of how the Tory spin doctors have been part of the right wing media attacks on Clegg. This is before the Tory indecision over Europe and the support for a sectarian electoral pact in South Tyrone.
12345andy54321 1 year ago 2
@12345andy54321 The British Chambers of Commerce have released a report that shows two thirds of businesses are concerned about the results of a hung parliament. Increasingly this election is about a choice between a hung parliament that would be politically and economically damaging or a fresh start with the Conservatives. The last hung parliament we had resulted in the winter of discontent.
rickinoz2005 1 year ago
Do you want British demoracy to be held to ransom by the report of 300 firms? What about the electorate? The polls suggest that more of the public would prefer a hung parliament. Imagine if British politics had to get rid of school bad indiscipline in the House of Commons and actually have to work together. The lower house would not be the rubber stamp it currently is. If Germany can operate in coalitions, then why is this country incapable of doing the same?
12345andy54321 1 year ago
@12345andy54321 People don't understand the threat of a hung Parliament. What we need is a party with a clear majority, otherwise it'll just be squabbling in the back corridors of Parliament. I want a clear and transparent Parliament where a leading party has a mandate to carry out changes to clean up our political system. A hung Parliament would be a political disaster as well as an economic disaster.
rickinoz2005 1 year ago
The £17bn tax cut is to give people the first £10,000 tax free. If you look at the other parties I think the problem is worse; Tories; above inflation rise in public spending for NHS; married couples tax break; inheritance tax threshold rise etc
With regards to the Euro, the Lib Dems have promised a referendum. With respect, you have possibly read too much of Ken Clarke's scaremongering. Ireland has the Euro and is in bad economic condition; it has taken tough measures.Was the IMF involved?
12345andy54321 1 year ago
@12345andy54321 its a Lib Dem tax shift that gives more money to people on middle or high incomes. The poorest 10% only see £1.5bn of the £17bn. The Tories have made clear that they're funding the married couples allowance with a bank levy and the inheritance threshold rise by a levy on non-doms. The Lib Dem tax proposal has a £10bn black hole.
rickinoz2005 1 year ago
Nick is the man you can trust.
The two old corrupt parties of Labour and Cpnservative have no new ideas.
Nick Clegg and Vince Cable offer us a responsible and credible economic future.
The unchanged Tory party offers unfunded tax cuts for the rich which will mean
massive cuts, job losses and more of the same failed politics. Vote Lib Dem.
max9ish 1 year ago
it was a liberal system that has caused mass crime and migration.
mikey83x 1 year ago
Don't expect anything to change after the election whoever you vote for. All the main parties are loyal to organizations like Common Purpose, the Bilderberg group, the EU and the globalist banking cartel. All are aiding the subversion of the UK on behalf of the EU. All support the growing police state, the aggressive wars, the banker bailouts and the destruction of British freedom and sovereignty. The voting system is there to give the illusion of choice. Research the new world order.
boogaloo80 1 year ago
The top 2 parties are way too comfortable, they're barely trying anymore.
LET'S SHAKE THIS SYSTEM UP A BIT!
Let's make them work for their money.
LIB DEMS 2010
janebusby 1 year ago
Why don't you come clean? Are you a Freemason? Tell the British public if you attend the United Grand Lodge?
herbertwarmstrong 1 year ago
Lib dems shouldnt get rid of nuclear deterent and if they are elected i dont think that parliment will allow it, its too dangerous to get rid of them
UKCallum1 1 year ago
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NICK CLEGG IS BRITAINS OBAMA.
VINCE CABLE IS BRITAINS JOE BIDEN.
No more voting against parties.
No more voting for the 2nd best or least offensive.
Vote out of ambition.
Vote FOR a party.
Vote for the best.
This year we grab our conviction and vote to get off this 90 year vicious cycle.
*** HOPE 2010 ***
janebusby 1 year ago
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NICK CLEGG IS BRITAINS OBAMA.
VINCE CABLE IS BRITAINS JOE BIDEN.
No more voting against parties.
No more voting for the 2nd best or least offensive.
Vote out of ambition.
Vote FOR a party.
Vote for the best.
This year we grab our conviction and vote to get off this 90 year vicious cycle.
*** HOPE 2010 ***
janebusby 1 year ago
Remember my friends its going to be you and I, who have to tell our children that we did not vote for the LibDems even that the hard facts tell us we should have. Its a fact that if you dont vote for the LibDems in 2010, then we are going to get more broken promises / blunders/ lies from labour & conservatives thats a fact. I dont want to have that story to tell my children and grandchildren do you? Thats why Im voting LibDem.
UBUBBOO 1 year ago
The Conservative & Labours behaviour over the last 50 years is diabolical. All the false statements made with deliberate intent to deceive us so Lord Ashcroft could be a Lord. Ive been a Conservative for more than 55 years, and Im sick of all the smoke & mirrors and broken promises, one after another. My wife and I with friends will be voting for the LibDems.
UBUBBOO 1 year ago
I've got more chance of shagging Miss World than this man has of being elected to PM.
Why don't the Liberals just pack up and go home? Hopeless.
MANOFTRENT 1 year ago
I dispair alright, listening to Mr `George at Asda` talking pish as if everyone else was on the fiddle other than beardy Liberal twats.
Sack all MPs and start again, their all shit, including Mr Whats-His-Name , here.
shatnerzbassoonoid 1 year ago
I dream of the perfect world,a world of hope,and in it,there are no politicians.
dave009ish 2 years ago
its called ANARCHISM.
AllyKaht 2 years ago
Haha... do you mean a society with no order? A society where nobody makes decisions for the collective benefit of society? A society without public services? A society that is simply survival of the fittest? Or would you prefer a society based upon feudalism (where people are ruled by lords and landowners) instead of democracy? Admittedly politicians have let themselves down, but its the responsibility of the public to ensure that the right politicians are voted in.
bctillidie 2 years ago
We don't have to be powerless! Let's take big government and put it in it's place of serving the people!
Regards,
President Lincoln
AbeLincolnisBack 2 years ago
I am leaving next year. Please do not bother to vote for Labour. Thanks for keeping us is power for 12 years.
11DowningStreet 2 years ago 3
Im a member of the lid dems, I fully support everything the party stands for. But I feel Nick Clegg is unalectable. He is a great politician, but he is no Tony Blair to the media...
kyral210 2 years ago
Unfortunately the major flaw in this democratic society is that the media controls it. The media control who is heard by the public. This is unfair and undemocratic and gives no party other than labour and the conservatives a chance.
bctillidie 2 years ago 6
Noam Chomsky. Propaganda is to a democracy what the bludgeon is to a totalitarian state.
tokyomd 1 year ago
@bctillidie I totally agree!!
H4YK8Y 1 year ago
@bctillidie Thats a good point, however the Lib Dem leader has now become the biggest beneficiary of the media. Clegg's youth, looks, and smoothness have rocketed him up in the polls despite the fact that few in Britain would approve of most of the things he would like to do if made prime minister.
LightYearsFromHere 1 year ago
@LightYearsFromHere I wouldn't say he's the biggest beneficiary at all. His recent surge in popularity has proven my point thanks to finally being given a more equal platform to make people aware of what the lib dems can offer. The biggest beneficiary of the media is without doubt David Cameron. The number of papers that are biased in his favour is ridiculous. Rupert Murdoch is the Tories' mot influential follower. People should have a right to unbiased and reliable sources of information.
bctillidie 1 year ago
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seriousnews2 1 year ago
@bctillidie That is because the media is controlled. There is no free press.
The real problem is that Labour, Conservatives and Liberal Democrats are all the same. The Greens are a joke. The BNP are scum. Only UKIP is left. Well apart from a few tiny parties.
That's why I voted and campaigned for UKIP.
STOPTHEEU 1 year ago
Tax the rich to give to the poor
Classic robin hood system
Its because you people who earn alot of money are greedy! I agree that we shouldnt give to wasters and lazy people. Thats not what its about.
Lets help the people who need it most. Because thats what Britain is all about. Good morals good intent good people.
AllyKaht 2 years ago 11
Everyone should be taxed the same (relative to resources).
muffins99 2 years ago
Agreed. Its important that children are born with an equal chance to succeed instead of being oppressed by conservatism. I agree with those people who say that those who've not made the right decisions in life don't necessarily deserve welfare, but their children haven't made the decision to be poor and deserve an equal opportunity to prosper. Reducing poverty can improve crime rates and public health among other problems in society.
bctillidie 2 years ago
@AllyKaht I don't really agree with taxing the rich more for being wealthy - It's essentially the same as turning up at a shop and they charge you £100 for a loaf of bread because you have the money. A better option would be to simply introduce a maximum wage, if you made it say £100k a year, the wage limit would only affect roughly 1% of the population, and the extra capital they would earn could even out and boost the lower wages.
xNyrad01x 1 year ago
@AllyKaht Stifling the earnings of the rich slows growth and creates an incentive for them to flee to a more tax-friendlier country. Producing incentives for them to stay gets them to contribute to the economy by how much they spend, not by how much we take. The, 'robin hood system' as you call it, gives the state more and more control and a precedent to intrude in our lives. I believe in taxing the rich more than the poor, but not to the extent where we are living in an anti-capitalist economy.
EllyMcCormack 10 months ago
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Its all Bull shit.
Tax the rich!? the people who drive this country? If you have worked hard all your life and earnt lots of money then you should be punished? Give my regards to your mentor Fidel Castro when you see him next.
scissoroar 2 years ago
You and Fred with his £700k pension for ruining the banking sector. If you're driving the country, feel free to leave.
ToeCap45 2 years ago 2
I'm a 24 year old, been running my own business for 4 years and it is doing well for the sole reason I am working hard (7 day weeks). One day I hope to have a nice house with lots of land so I can be sustainable. I don't want my hard earned wages being used to fund your welfare cheques and ruining England with out dated immigration laws. When will an MP rise to the mark and just cut out all the bullshit red tape that is preventing entrepreneurship and development on this otherwise beautiful land
scissoroar 2 years ago
This is your boss, your fired.
OnePresidentOfPeace 2 years ago
I don't have a boss.
scissoroar 2 years ago
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bctillidie 2 years ago
Nick Clegg.. Liberal with athoritaaw!
Not scared to bitch slap people when needed!
AllyKaht 2 years ago 2
All I care is that things are more fair around here, criminals get what they deserve, the health care is improved and invested, people from working poor and working class get more educational growth and less benefits.
I hope that you will keep the passion you start with, that passion is all you need "experience" is a not necessary.
Love for this country and unwavering morals is all this country needs.
Britain deserves to have a brighter future.
Den333D 2 years ago
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kjhgadkja 2 years ago
There are periods in history when change is necessary, and other periods when it is better to keep everything for the time as it is. The art of life is to be in the rhythm of your age.
BUFascist 2 years ago
Isreal sucks more than ass. The jewish government are oppresive and they took land of the arabs illeagally. The only reason the west supports them is because the jews in America have all the money.
sovietdragon99 2 years ago
Ha i love this phrase... its so true! Way to go beefy!
kyaker123 2 years ago
SOVIETDRAGON99
> The only reason the west supports them is
> because the jews in America have all the money.
That would be true
1 if "the Arabs did not have all the OIL MONEY";
2 if Palestinians were "Arabs"
3 if nobody cared about "Arabs" in surrounding countries seeking to "wipe Israel off the map".
gagothesith 2 years ago
If the arabs have all the oil money then why are the American soldiers is Saudi Arabia! The palastinians are arabs you thick shit! And I don't think Isreal should be wiped of the map I belive there should be an arab state and an Isreal state.
All I'm saying is that if jews didn't control everything in america why did america break the Nuclear Proliferation treaty in order to help Isreal build Nuclear weapons and enrich Urainium?
sovietdragon99 2 years ago
1 Because even Saudi Arabia felt threatened by Iraq and still feels threatened by Iran--foreign boots are on Saudi soil by invitation, remember?
2 There are no people called "palastinians", you "thick shit".
3 Indeed, there should be two states living side by side without one seeking to destroy the other AND without other nearby states exploiting one of the two to wipe the other off the map.
. . .
gagothesith 2 years ago
4A Israel is not a member of the NN-PT
4B It was America which detected and revealed "the Vela incident"
4C It was Carter who outed "the 150 nuclear warheads" story
4D Ambassador Rabin in 1960 REPORTED to the US-SD after the fact, not seeking permission before the fact
4E Israel developed and co-tested with South Africa--which much of the rest of the world did not know had them until way after it announced getting rid of them
. . .
gagothesith 2 years ago
Just because America is what stands in the way of countries in the region from obliterating Israel does not mean that Israel is in the habit of seeking prior permission from America on matters which, if unstopped, will produce precisely that very result.
And while Israel sources much of its weapons from America, the reality of the world is that there are countless others willing to supply it with weapons and technology--after all, as you say, "they have all the money".
gagothesith 2 years ago
Look at the background - He looks like he's in the cell of a police station!
Has he been caught with his hand in the till?
orson12 2 years ago
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Mr clegg is a theif! - he is no different to all the others who stole expenses money!
anillondon89 2 years ago
If the house of lords is elected directly by the demos, then it becomes like the house of commons. She what, then, would be the point of a second house at all?
inkstersco 2 years ago
Indeed there is no point to the house of lords.
They are not elected. They are put there by a far out dated system of class.
And what power do they have?
They can delay legislation by up to 6 months.
That's it. They have no power to speak of so what's the point?
Cragrepent 2 years ago
Their Lordships blocked the 42 days prison bid. Their Lordships are far more expert with their brief than the careerists in the Commons. Where else could you find some of the greatest economists in the world, Britain's greatest post war PM in Baroness Thatcher, Britain's most accomplished surgeon Lord Darzi, or very good businessmen (who incidentally sit on the Tory benches). What has the Commons got! Careerists tossers leading 3 main parties and very little talent on front benches.
Mickmars90 2 years ago
They can also Veto laws. In order for the upper chamber to be elected they would need the support from about 2/3 of the lords. The Lib Dem peers would certainly vote for it, the conservative ones would not, Labour may be split, asfor the others i have no idea.
Erech01 2 years ago
Labour has been completly annihilated in the county council elections, meanwhile tories and Lib Dems do fairly well, with the conservative taking the vast amount of councils and Lib Dems holding the second most amount of seats in the majority of them and labour completly trailing behind, lets hope this is a sign of what the next pariament will be like;)
Erech01 2 years ago
This is bullshit, it wasnt all labours fault, we live in a globalised world, its a world downturn, you cant just blame it one factor or nation you pricks. David cameron says he can make changes ... but he never says how, know why? because hes a toss pot and wont do shit. All bullshit, politics sucks.
Hiiiphop 2 years ago
Yeah so you have to decide which party is least like a bunch of money grabbing shit bags.
You have to vote and decide which party has the nearest views to your own. Ignoring politics is not going to make politicians think any better.
Cragrepent 2 years ago
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dartaddict 2 years ago 2
The only way to change policies is to change the corrupt puppet politicians AND the masters who own them all. It has nothing do do with parties at all.
mrpatience2007 2 years ago
I'm really glad Nick Clegg's using the current crisis as a sprongboard to talk about wider-reaching changes to our political system which will, frankly, touch us more - your life is affected less by your MP's dodgy expenses than it is by the fact you have to obey laws proposed by an unfairly-elected parliament and blessed by a totally unelected House of Lords.
munkittytunkitty 2 years ago
The only was forward out of this mess is to give power to the people.... but properly. Provide a mechanism of allowing people's voices to be heard directly by those in power, instead of via their MPs which doesn't work. We do pretty much everything else electronically now without worryinjg about fraud - why not governing the nation? Set up online or telephone voting on everything that matters and let the people decide.
gaz810 2 years ago
I think a really big change needs to be made myself. End the domination of Parliament by the executive. Where is the separation of powers under the current system. I have voted LibDem for years but if they will ensure the whipping system is ended I must say I am very tempted by what I hear of this new Jury Party I believe it is called.
expeditio 2 years ago
Can we put this on Overstream, please?
Thank you
jrowlandstuart 2 years ago
Never before, in the Field of political Bullshit, has so much been done, For so many by so few!
VOTE FOR BRITAIN< VOTE BNP
paulfromEssex1 2 years ago
Well, it's the same problems we have in Norway. The most liberal party, FRP, is at about 25% now. Labour is about 30% and socialist party is at 7%. The two last ones have the government now (with a third minor party). But if only journalists vote the two would get maybe 70% and FRP would be left outside the parliament with not enough votes. See the problem? If media were more representative of peoples opinions things would be quite different. FRP has 25% with almost NO support in media.
Kulumuli 2 years ago
Nick Clegg - you are a political waste of space. Why don't your party and yourself come up with your own political beliefs, instead of a half baked amalgamation of liberalist idiocy?
Your idea of government is a sugar coated whale loving liberalist idocy which thus far, has got us no where. Limp Dims will get us nowhere, and you my power grasping friend are most certainly not the man to help this country out of its current crisis.
BlochyBoi 2 years ago
'Your idea of government is a sugar coated whale loving liberalist idocy which thus far, has got us no where'
Considering a liberal party hasnt been in govt. since the 1920's you cant really claim that....
Erech01 2 years ago 2
'Nick Clegg - you are a political waste of space. Why don't your party and yourself come up with your own political beliefs, instead of a half baked amalgamation of liberalist idiocy?
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Thats like saying 'you damn conservatives, why dont you come up with your own plitical idealogy instead of stealing from conservatism idealogy.
Erech01 2 years ago
The UK economy (not that it's alone, to be fair) is now held hostage to a bunch of international carpetbaggers and former camel herders. Lib Dems: Not putting the Grrrrr back into Great Britain :-) The Lib Dems are actually more dangerous than the BNP. The BNP does what it says on the tin, so can be avoided more easily. But the Lib Dems' politics, are akin to a frog, in a pan of water, being slowly brought to the boil without realising it is in a deadly situation.
charlessmyth 2 years ago
Actually, the Lib Dems have been evwen more clear than the BNP, labour and the tories on what they would do.
Erech01 2 years ago
But about the consequences of what they would do.
charlessmyth 2 years ago
Sorry to say but you're pretty impressively ignorant if you think the BNP does exactly what it says on the tin. Compare the printed and privately offered views of their members with their party leaflets and adverts.
And as to the rest of your points...you can't possibly accuse the Lib Dems of poor monetary policy...when pretty much everyone in Westminster and even the press listen with baited breath whenever Vince Cable has something to say.
HamerD 2 years ago
That dosen't mean he's write. Him and his party were advocating even higher taxes and even higher public spending during the boom years. That would mean more debt. That would mean less confidence in our financial markets from international investors, which would mean it would be harder to borrow the money to implement a Keynesian stimulus, and it would be more expensive to borrow because of debt interest. Thank God Cable wasn't Chancellor.
Mickmars90 2 years ago
The nature of higher taxes means we wouldn't be in any more national debt...I don't see your point there.
HamerD 2 years ago
Higher taxes increase national debt if you believe in the mechanics of the Laffer Curve, in which if you tax too high you lose revenues because people hoard capital, move it abroad or simply tax dodge.
Mickmars90 2 years ago
Don't the Scandinavians have pretty aggressively over the top socialist tax systems? Much more than the Lib Dems propose? I was under that impression. I'm not going to get into an economics argument because it's not my forte. I don't the Scandinavian countries are doing badly for themselves.
Besides, aren't all the rich people ALREADY dodging tax horrendously? I mean, I think the Lib Dems would be more concerned with getting very rich people to pay a fair amount of tax.
HamerD 2 years ago
They do. They also have very high suicide rates. Also, they, like Venezeula, live of oil prices. But Denmark abandoned the socialist Scandinavian model because it crippled their country. Switzerland has one of the most capitalist economies in the world, and it is very strong.
Taxation is a form of theft. People have a right to keep 100% of their income and choose how to spend the money themselves. The difference between a welfare state and totalitarianism is only a matter of time.
Mickmars90 2 years ago
I'm not sure that is a particularly mainstream way of thinking. I'm pretty certain it isn't. I don't know about Denmark, but I thought Norway and Sweden were doing fine for themselves, and Finland? We both know the suicide rate is inconsequential. I didn't think Switzerland was a Scandinavian country.
Your opinion on taxation is a bit weird. It's very extremist. Either government is totally controlling or it does nothing at all. If history has told us one thing it's that extremes fail.
HamerD 2 years ago
It's weird wanting people to keep the money they work hard for? Extremes that contradict human nature fail. Capitalism is the implementation of human nature. Capitalism wasn't an ideology created by middle class hypocrites e.g. socialism, it simply developed over time because people traded commodities using gold.
Mickmars90 2 years ago
I agree, capitalism is the only possible way forward. Vince Cable was Shell's chief economist in 1995...he's a realist, not some sort of radical hyper-liberal wanting to dole out everyone's money.
The problem with neat, free capitalism is slavery and economic slavery. The sort of democratic capitalism the US and UK enjoy seems to be VERY different from the free reign, do whatever the fuck you want capitalism of burgeoning states like India, very rich people do need to be fair.
HamerD 2 years ago
A truly, free market capitalist libertarian society is the only way forward. People have rights and they should be kept.
Mickmars90 2 years ago
I disagree with you. Libertarian ideas are deeply flawed. You talk about people having rights, but in a Libertarian model 95% of people have less rights. It allows businessmen far too much. The government is the glue of the moral fabric of society.
Without moral fabric, society becomes a terrible place for the unfortunate, poor and weak.
HamerD 2 years ago
The most economically free countries are the happiest and most prosperous. I'm not an anarchist, but I think the government should have responsibility for defence and helping those who physically cannot help themselves e.g. disabled people. Otherwise they can piss off and leave me alone.
Mickmars90 2 years ago
That first sentence is just pure invention. There aren't any valid statistics for that. What does 'economically free' mean? Russia, with its flat tax? Brazil, entrepreneur's dream? China, where you can just pay off the government and have hundreds of sweat shops, paying your workers nothing?
The key to life and indeed politics is balance, and libertarianism fails to promote balance between economic power and morality.
The lib dem agenda is one of devolution and decentralization
HamerD 2 years ago
Which means it's actually quite wrong to call it simply 'big government'. It does of course stand for making life fairer for people.
I have seen your profile and you support the ideals of small government. There's nothing wrong with being conservative but I suggest that you grow out of a libertarian mindset, it is a deeply flawed, disrespected and discredited system of government.
HamerD 2 years ago
Check out the graphs from Heritage and the Cato Institute. They prove my point.
The Lib Dem agenda is to say absolutely anything for popularity. They are the most opportunistic shit faced fuckers in politics and they are the dirtiest campaigners in politics, who think nothing of lying. They jump on everybandwagon possible e.g. spread pernicious lies about Israel and their ''occupation'' of Palestine, which is complete bullshit, and their lies about global warming, which is also a myth.
Mickmars90 2 years ago
I find it very difficult to believe there could be graphs to prove your point, can you link them please, I have an essay to write!
I think you are looking at politics through rose tinted spectacles if you think the Lib Dems do ANY more to curry favour with the public than any of the political parties out there. I don't know why you think the Lib Dems 'lie' any more than the Tories or Labour, but that's just crazy talk.
No idea what you are talking about global warming lol.
HamerD 2 years ago 3
It seems you get too much information from the internet. Put away your conspiracy theory websites. The Middle-East issue is a complicated one and neither the Israelis nor the Palestinians are fully to blame for the problems that have been going on.
As far as global warming goes, look, if you want to be one of these people who disbelieves leading figures in the field then go ahead, you are entitled to your own opinion. I hope you grow out of it. It's like this 'evolution is fake' malarky.
HamerD 2 years ago 3
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dartaddict 2 years ago
Just go stick your ugly face in with the creationists.
if you think global warming is a "myth" you obviously are too fucking arrogant to look at facts and so your view is worth absolutely nothing.
Cragrepent 2 years ago 5
Unlike you, I research ''independently peer revied science,'' not the pseudo science that Kofi Annan passes off as fact. Please tell me why the planet has not warmed since 1998 and why temperates have fallen slightly since 2002. Why has Mars also warmed during the last century despite no human activity? Please tell me.
Mickmars90 2 years ago
MICKMARS90, you are a heretic! You are committing blasphemy against The Great Al Gore--the inventor of the internet!
Don't you know that global warming is now a huge industry--do you know how many will suffer economically if it is debunked? do you not care? Don't you know that Europe's sense of superiority is built on its "environmental credentials"--what will make it a world leader? what happens to The Greens?
gagothesith 2 years ago
How dare I? I shall now kill myself. Can you cremate me just to piss off the environmentalists.
Mickmars90 2 years ago
"lies about Israel and their ''occupation'' of Palestine, which is complete bullshit"
- even the Israeli's refer to gaza and the west bank as "the occupied territories"
Tommyttk 2 years ago
No they don't. The UN does. Israel is the natural homeland, and was the homeland only for the Jews.
Notice how the so called Palestinians never sent suicide bombers into Egypt and Jordan when they controlled Gaza and the West Bank before 1967 when Israel rightly claimed them back. They didn't care. But they care now because the Palestinians are vicious anti-Semites.
The Israeli PM offered a two state solution the other day, and they rejected it because they cannot abide by Israel
Mickmars90 2 years ago 3
Israel sucks ass
shaolindreams 2 years ago
Explain how it is possible for landmass to possibly suck an arse please because that is beyond me.
Mickmars90 2 years ago
And by the way I'm not necessarily saying that libertarian ideals are bad for the economy, they are just morally indefensible. 'Easy way out' rhetoric leads to Naziism and Communism.
HamerD 2 years ago
The BNP 'does what it says on the tin' sufficiently well, to know what it is about, for one to reach an informed enough conclusion. I would agree that Vince Cable has many worthwhile things to say, but his actions are constrained by political expediency, so that what he says, is ultimately of no more value than those he criticises. The Lib Dems are supposed to be in the vanguard of a new politics, not a new line of incompetence, backed up by the capable Vince Cable.
charlessmyth 2 years ago
I don't know what you mean by 'his actions'. About government policy, all Vince can do is opine and convince. He deals very well with his constituency which is why he is always far ahead in opinion polls in Twickenham and Hampton. I'm not sure I've heard many people in the Lib Dem party disagreeing with him? I could just be ignorant there though.
HamerD 2 years ago
Vince Cable's actions, opinions and convictions, are held hostage to Fiat Money, the Central Banking system and Fractional Reserve Banking. The good people being polled in the likes of Twickenham and Hampton, probably have no knowledge about such complications and/or the implications, so have nothing to complain about. This is not to suggest that they are ignorant/stupid, but simply alludes to Tony Benn, who has said that he is never asked about the NASDAQ, by voters.
charlessmyth 2 years ago
Well look I appreciate that you know more about economics than me but I said 'I don't know what you mean by 'his actions'', and you didn't really reply to that. His councillorship of his constituency has nothing to do with his opinions on government finance.
I guess in order to find a hole in Cable's arguments you could first point me to some public criticisms of his ideas by leading economists. That might be a start. I know for one that Andrew Neil thinks highly of him lol.
HamerD 2 years ago
His constituency actions have no impact on the UK economy since he is not in an executive position. But, were he to become chancellor, his actions would have no more credibility than his Parliamentary counterparts. You won't find any criticism of Vince Cable by leading economists because the ones picked to be on the television and radio, are consistent with preferred economic policies (Paul Krugman, etc., and Vince is not on anyone's radar. Try these channels: PeterSchiffChannel misesmedia
charlessmyth 2 years ago
Well are there any in newspapers or on the internet? It doesn't have to be the television or radio. But if you can't find any mainstream criticisms of Cable's ideas it either means, as you pointed out, that he is not important enough; or it means that there aren't enough criticisms to make.
I'll check out PeterSchiffChannel sure, seeing as I want to learn more.
HamerD 2 years ago
Are you an advocate of Austrian economics e.g. Von Mises, Hayek, Rothbard etc . I hope so. We need more Austrians on youtube
Mickmars90 2 years ago
Yes, I am an advocate of Austrian Economics. The most up to date treatment is Capitalism: A Treatise on Economics by George Reisman who was a contemporary of Ludwig von Mises and Murray Rothbard, and is still alive :-) You can download a *.pdf of the Reisman book from capitalism (dot) net.
charlessmyth 2 years ago
I have the book. I have a lot of Reisman speeches from the media section of the VonMisesInstitute website. Excellent site. Who is your favourite Austrian? Mine personally is Rothbard. He was exceptionally knowledable about economics, but he was linguistically violent, and I actually feel sorry for those who came under his scrutiny e.g. his article on Milton Friedman and Lord Cunt JM Keynes. He was also a very funny guy.
Mickmars90 2 years ago
I've seen a few of Murray R's videos on the misesmedia channel. He certainly had an impish sense of humour and wasn't afraid to ruffle a few feathers :-) Keynes comes in for a lot of stick, but it took others to put his theories into practice, like the guy who mused about Perfect Competition. It's like blaming Churchill for starting wars. Not on his own he didn't. Anyway, Peter Schiff, Thomas DiLorenzo, Yaron Brook, Lew Rockwell, Hans Hoppe, and Walter Block, for example, are good to follow.
charlessmyth 2 years ago
Lew Rockwell's site is excellent. Professor Salerno did a lecture called ''Ending the Monetary Fiasco.'' It is an excellent lecture. Hazlitt wrote an excellent, line by line critique of the General Theory.
Keynes admitted his theories were more suited to totalitarian governments! If Keynes didn't propose those theories, they wouldn;'t be there to implement.
Mickmars90 2 years ago
only time will tell if nick cleggs doing as good as you think he is!
pocdh 2 years ago
Vote Liberal =)
Peaceganjareggae 2 years ago 2