Oh but there is a fossile with both human and dinosaur imprints! It is calleed the Delk specimen! Proof that dinosaurs and humas DId live at the same time!
@GregDrayGregDray that one fake fossil is gonna make you ignore the other properly dated using actual proven research fossils found in museums all over the world? REALLY!?!?!?!
@gguessman "So Adam was only in the Garden a relatively short time"
Why do you say that? We don't know how long they were in the Garden. Adam wasn't born, we don't know when that 130 years is dated from. Presumably it would be from when he lost his innocence by eating the forbidden fruit. That was when God started treating him as someone responsible for his actions. It implies that Adam was in the Garden of Eden for an extremely long time before that, e.g. time to name every animal.
@sarabellumm When the Bible says man was created on the sixth day, what does that mean? Six days after what? 6 days after "the beginning," of course. References to time are anchored to that starting point. It is logical and straight forward that "the second day" comes after "the first day" which in turn comes after "the beginning." Each day of the creation week is numbered which is a reference back to "the beginning."
@sarabellumm Adam's age is counted from the moment God made him on day 6 (Gen 1:21, 27). He was made responsible the day God gave him instructions to follow (all on day 6). When he disobeyed, he suffered the consequences. 130 years after God made him on day 6, Adam had Seth (Gen 5:3),
If taking the Bible at face value is hard to accept, it may be because we have been fed a steady diet of billions of years and evolution. These are diametrically opposed to Genesis and a recent creation.
@sarabellumm Adam's age is counted from the moment God made him on day 6 (Gen 1:21, 27). He was made responsible the day God gave him instructions to follow (all on day 6). When he disobeyed, he suffered the consequences. 130 years after God made him on day 6, Adam had Seth (Gen 5:3),
If taking the Bible at face value is hard to accept, it may be because we have been fed a steady diet of billions of years and evolution. These are diametrically opposed to Genesis and a recent creation.
@gguessman "Adam's age is counted from the moment God made him on day 6"
How do you know that? How do you know it isn't counted from when he lost his innocence? It implies he was in the garden a very long time, having time to name every animal.
Remember that sago trees buried with dinosaur fossils have thorns at the bass of each branch.
Thorns were made after Adam sinned (Gen 3:18), so dinosaurs and anything else found buried with thorns is less than a few thousand years old.
It is not necessary to accommodate millions of years and Evolution. Scripture does not teach it. I encourage you to stand up for a litteral 6 day creation.
@gguessman I have a question, If Adam and Eve were the first and only humans at the beginning and they reproduced then would all humanity not stem from incest?
Also, carbon dating is not that accurate yes..but radio metric dating has many tens of different ways that all achieve the same result, 4.5. BILLION years old. I'm Christian in terms of following the logical and useful ways to live my life from the Bible and I believe this.
@MrAkbvigilant "they reproduced then would all humanity not stem from incest?"
Science tells us that every human on earth is the descendant of one single female they call Mitochondrial Eve. If you don't believe me, look it up on wiki or in an encyclopedia. So by definition, science has proven that we are all the product of incest, we are all at least distant cousins, and the farther back you go, the closer our ancestors are to our common great, great, many great, grandmother.
@sarabellumm I am aware of this theory and it is very interesting, but many scientists also hold strongly the theory that a group of humans made the last leap in evolution and this is why although at some point i'm sure incest would take place, if they originated from different 'pre-humans' there would be a lot less. We are all distantly related I agree, but to me the Bible should explain that actually in the beginning incest was not a sin, it has become one.
@sarabellumm you'd think, thats why I cannot understand fundamentalists who need everything spelt out in black and white. Thank you for liberally following with a more open-minded approach and realising that as time changes an old text must be updated here and there to match the age we live in.
I wouldn't call it "updated" as you describe. We understand some things that a bronze age writer couldn't possibly understand. Even a first century writer, though far more advanced than the OT writers, explain things with a view towards that which matters to them in their world. We we read it we need to look at it from their viewpoint. Many of the atheists negative comments about the Bible show a complete lack of understanding of that. You always have to look at the author & his target audience.
@sarabellumm sorry, by updated I mean the fact that 'thou shalt not be a peado' is not in them, hence the sick few priests who fiddle with kids think they can get away with it in their sick minds. Stuff needs modernising, its just common sense at the end of the day and some 'sins' were just not as rife at the age the author wrote it, hence the target audience is different. I'm glad you said 'his' as it is clearly written by men and not God 'itself', neither male nor female.
MrAk: Well the Catholic priest problems make the opposite point. The Catholics are the Christian group that thinks they have an "oral history" that supplements the Bible. Thus they use that to create this hierarchy of priests, cardinals, & popes, etc that you won't find in the Bible. Thus they set up a situation, with their non-biblical bureaucracy, where this stuff could happen. So it wasn't the ancient Bible that made that problem it was the "modernization" that the Catholics did on their own.
@sarabellumm I'm with you on the hierarchal system the Catholic Church has created and i'm not saying an old text that didn't firmly say 'don't do this and don't do that' is the problem. Simply to state that as an atheist who knows many other atheists if we do not ever have the urge to hurt someone and to live a good gentle-natured life then religion has done as much bad if not worse damage to humanity than believing that God doesn't even exist. The life and Universe is what I call God.
@MrAkbvigilant --Just focusing on damage doesn't give credit for all the hospitals, orphan's homes, food pantries, universities (Harvard, Yale, etc) that are directly attributable to religion. Christianity inspired most of the really good stuff in the Western world.
@sarabellumm True, some really good stuff has been inspired by Christianity, but lets not say 'most' of the really good stuff in the Western world. Most 'good' music, 'interesting' paintings that aren't of religious figures and most charities i'm certain would still exist without any fear of going to hell. I think a good % of people who do good deeds and are religious are doing them for reward. Now, that is not to say that is a bad thing, I'm just not convinced that religion is needed anymore.
Whether it is needed anymore or not, it certainly has been important in the centuries leading up to here. I wasn't really talking about paintings for the "good stuff" as much as things like the printing press made because people wanted Bibles. Institutions like Harvard, Yale, Dartmouth, etc all started as divinity schools. Most great US hospitals too. Many countries of the world owe their written languages to Christian missionaries wanting to give indigenous people Bibles in their own language.
@MrAkbvigilant The problem is death, disease, pain, suffering as well as sin that brings all these detriments. There is a need for a relationship with the One who knows all our faults and still loves us enough to die for our sins once for all on the cross. Sin is powerful. It kills. Physical death is a direct result of it. We need a Savior.
Don't confuse the Savior with the short comings, violence, apathy, and hypocricy of man. He is patiently waiting for us to choose Him.
@MrAkbvigilant About incest: When man was first created, he had perfect (flawless free) genes, and it was expected that a man would marry a sister, cousin, or niece. Many generations after Adam sinned (which brought on genetic diseases and death), God gave the command not to marry close relatives (Lev 18:6-18). This would help prevent genetic copying errors from manifesting as diseases in subsequent generations.
This has been around since Moses wrote it 3,500 years ago.
@gguessman actually all genetic variation supposedly comes from noah and his sons and their wives...you know after that flood? Incest....... and the animals did incest too? and then im supposed to believe in light of what I learned from molecular genetics that all animal plant bug and human life we see today reached this level of variation and population from 2500 bc (the actual date of the flood in bible) to now? stop spouting nonsense it hurts my eyes to read >:(
@gguessman That doesn't matter one bit. If I only have 20 different perfect legos, and my freind has 20 different legos, But 10 of his are identicle to 10 of mine, it doesn't matter if we they are perfect we got 10 useless legos. In fact mutations are the only thing that lets inbreeding even start to work. (Not that there are not mistakes but without them it is even worse)
what about the stegosauerus carving in cambodia, the iguanadon on the nile mosaic, anatomically accurate clay figures of dinos, the brass etchings on bishop bells tomb, eye witness accounts from alexander the greats travels or soft dino tissue found in montanna and 150 myo ink in a squid in UK ? atheism is darkness, this vid proves it !
what ab artifacts found six thousand years ago predating modern civilization that were of dinosaurs how would these ppl make dinosaur figures out of imagination when dinosaurs came 8718915 million years before
what ab artifacts found six thousand years ago predating modern civilization that were of dinosaurs how would these ppl make dinosaur figures out of imagination when dinosaurs came 8718915 million years before
Co-existed? More like we would've been a prime entree for T Rex and the other meat eating dinos. The whole planet would've been one big Jurassic Park.
Of course these people insist that meat eating dinos were really plant eaters, because "God wouldn't let them eat humans", and that "smart magma" somehow liquified human remains while fossilizing dinos. And some lady at my gym said that dinos were really "big dogs"- beings grew bigger because they lived longer because "they ate purer"!
what ab artifacts found six thousand years ago predating modern civilization that were of dinosaurs how would these ppl make dinosaur figures out of imagination when dinosaurs came 8718915 million years before
what ab artifacts found six thousand years ago predating modern civilization that were of dinosaurs how would these ppl make dinosaur figures out of imagination when dinosaurs came 8718915 million years before
If man, woman and all the land animals were created on the sixth day less than 10,000 years ago, it follows logically from the literal interpretation of the Bible,that they must have coexisted.
No but it does trace generations of families from the creation of man to Jesus. So we can have a good idea of how old the earth is. But Moses is supposed to have lived to between 108 years old to 800 years old so. Maybe it was good dental hygiene.
@Forgefire5 There are a lot of "we don't knows" in there. We don't know how long Adam was in the Garden, long enough to name all the animals though. We don't know if any unimportant generations were skipped, that wasn't too unusual to do. Also the date of "creation of man" is not the same as the "how old the earth is". Many point out that the days in Genesis 1 are read as eras or epochs by many. Particularly given that the sun wasn't created on the first day, so it can't be a 24-hour period.
@gguessman-- I already know the Bible doesn't have any dates in it and doesn't say anything about the age of the universe. I have no idea how to access your 2009 paper.
@gguessman Okay, I looked at your paper. It doesn't account for what could be an unlimited amount of time between God creating the earth and God creating man. See Genesis 1. You can't assume the periods of time called "days" in Genesis 1 are 24-hour periods, given the term is used before the creation of the earth and sun.
@sarabellumm You have good points. In the Bible the time length of "day" is determined by the context. "Day" means a normal 24 hour day/night cycle whenever numerical qualifiers are used like first day, second day, etc. "Day" also means 24 hours when there is any mention of evening or morning. This holds true throughout the hundreds of time it is used in scripture. I know of no exceptions to this.
Ex. 20:11 in 6 days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea and all that is in them...
I am in a bit of a predicament here: I don't think, there is enough evidence for the existence of unicorns (just a couple of videos on YOUTUBE showing it is not sufficient), yet what this actually non-existent thing is saying, seems to be correct. What am I to do?
@GeeKayKayGee If evolution is not true, then what is the alternative? The only other one I can think of is planet seeding, then you have to ask, were the aliens created, or did they evolve. So if evolution is proven to be untrue, then creation is verified (though not proven).
@SrgGoofy "So if evolution is proven to be untrue, then creation is verified (though not proven)."
I find it difficult to argue about this claim as I am not well versed in logic, debate, science and theology and as your statement lacks imo, precision. By 'evolution' do you mean currently accepted evolutionary theory as a whole, so called 'Darwinian Evolution' or do you mean a blanket 'no thing, neither biological, mechanical nor intellectual, has ever evolved from that which preceded it.'?
By 'creation', do you mean creation as is commonly preached by the Abrahamic religions, do you mean creation as told by say the many different indigenous groups of North America, or do you mean creation as ummm... 'out of nothing by some agent or force that is undetectable and unknowable'.?
Were we to argue I might open by claiming that the question need not necessarily be binary, need not be 'it is either this or that'.
I would argue that perhaps there is a 3rd or 4th or more I would argue that perhaps there is a 3rd or 4th or more alternate possibilities and we must first come to agreement on definitions before exploring the idea of 'this or that'.
@GeeKayKayGee Well, for simplicities sake, we'll use the creationists concept of Macro Evolution, which states that a new Kind can arise from existing Kinds, and that life can spring forth from it's component parts. And we'll call Creation "Intelligent Design" where some entity planned and executed creation.
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the bible has been right allllll along. booya
jdurnal 3 months ago
dinosaurs and humans coexist, watch it, cos they did coexist
10bhave 7 months ago
Oh but there is a fossile with both human and dinosaur imprints! It is calleed the Delk specimen! Proof that dinosaurs and humas DId live at the same time!
GregDrayGregDray 9 months ago
@GregDrayGregDray that one fake fossil is gonna make you ignore the other properly dated using actual proven research fossils found in museums all over the world? REALLY!?!?!?!
warangel87 9 months ago
adam and eve could have been in the garden for 2 billion years.....
feshelll 11 months ago
@feshelll
1. Adam was kicked out of Eden (Gen 3:23-24), then...
2. He had Cain and Abel who grew up to adulthood: Cain was a farmer and Abel a shepard (Gen 4:2), then...
3. Cain murders Abel (Gen 4:8), then...
4. Adam had Seth when he was 130 years old (Gen 5:3).
So Adam was only in the Garden a relatively short time.
gguessman 10 months ago
@gguessman "So Adam was only in the Garden a relatively short time"
Why do you say that? We don't know how long they were in the Garden. Adam wasn't born, we don't know when that 130 years is dated from. Presumably it would be from when he lost his innocence by eating the forbidden fruit. That was when God started treating him as someone responsible for his actions. It implies that Adam was in the Garden of Eden for an extremely long time before that, e.g. time to name every animal.
sarabellumm 10 months ago
@sarabellumm When the Bible says man was created on the sixth day, what does that mean? Six days after what? 6 days after "the beginning," of course. References to time are anchored to that starting point. It is logical and straight forward that "the second day" comes after "the first day" which in turn comes after "the beginning." Each day of the creation week is numbered which is a reference back to "the beginning."
gguessman 10 months ago
@sarabellumm Adam's age is counted from the moment God made him on day 6 (Gen 1:21, 27). He was made responsible the day God gave him instructions to follow (all on day 6). When he disobeyed, he suffered the consequences. 130 years after God made him on day 6, Adam had Seth (Gen 5:3),
If taking the Bible at face value is hard to accept, it may be because we have been fed a steady diet of billions of years and evolution. These are diametrically opposed to Genesis and a recent creation.
gguessman 10 months ago
@sarabellumm Adam's age is counted from the moment God made him on day 6 (Gen 1:21, 27). He was made responsible the day God gave him instructions to follow (all on day 6). When he disobeyed, he suffered the consequences. 130 years after God made him on day 6, Adam had Seth (Gen 5:3),
If taking the Bible at face value is hard to accept, it may be because we have been fed a steady diet of billions of years and evolution. These are diametrically opposed to Genesis and a recent creation.
gguessman 10 months ago
@gguessman "Adam's age is counted from the moment God made him on day 6"
How do you know that? How do you know it isn't counted from when he lost his innocence? It implies he was in the garden a very long time, having time to name every animal.
sarabellumm 10 months ago
Opps. Sent that pematurly. Let me try again.
This is for Bible Believers:
Remember that sago trees buried with dinosaur fossils have thorns at the bass of each branch.
Thorns were made after Adam sinned (Gen 3:18), so dinosaurs and anything else found buried with thorns is less than a few thousand years old.
It is not necessary to accommodate millions of years and Evolution. Scripture does not teach it. I encourage you to stand up for a litteral 6 day creation.
gguessman 1 year ago
@gguessman I have a question, If Adam and Eve were the first and only humans at the beginning and they reproduced then would all humanity not stem from incest?
Also, carbon dating is not that accurate yes..but radio metric dating has many tens of different ways that all achieve the same result, 4.5. BILLION years old. I'm Christian in terms of following the logical and useful ways to live my life from the Bible and I believe this.
MrAkbvigilant 11 months ago
@MrAkbvigilant "they reproduced then would all humanity not stem from incest?"
Science tells us that every human on earth is the descendant of one single female they call Mitochondrial Eve. If you don't believe me, look it up on wiki or in an encyclopedia. So by definition, science has proven that we are all the product of incest, we are all at least distant cousins, and the farther back you go, the closer our ancestors are to our common great, great, many great, grandmother.
sarabellumm 11 months ago
@sarabellumm I am aware of this theory and it is very interesting, but many scientists also hold strongly the theory that a group of humans made the last leap in evolution and this is why although at some point i'm sure incest would take place, if they originated from different 'pre-humans' there would be a lot less. We are all distantly related I agree, but to me the Bible should explain that actually in the beginning incest was not a sin, it has become one.
MrAkbvigilant 11 months ago
@MrAkbvigilant "the Bible should explain that actually in the beginning incest was not a sin, it has become one"
Why? Incest is barely mentioned in the Bible. I would think it assumes we have some brains to figure that out.
sarabellumm 11 months ago
@sarabellumm you'd think, thats why I cannot understand fundamentalists who need everything spelt out in black and white. Thank you for liberally following with a more open-minded approach and realising that as time changes an old text must be updated here and there to match the age we live in.
MrAkbvigilant 11 months ago
I wouldn't call it "updated" as you describe. We understand some things that a bronze age writer couldn't possibly understand. Even a first century writer, though far more advanced than the OT writers, explain things with a view towards that which matters to them in their world. We we read it we need to look at it from their viewpoint. Many of the atheists negative comments about the Bible show a complete lack of understanding of that. You always have to look at the author & his target audience.
sarabellumm 11 months ago
@sarabellumm sorry, by updated I mean the fact that 'thou shalt not be a peado' is not in them, hence the sick few priests who fiddle with kids think they can get away with it in their sick minds. Stuff needs modernising, its just common sense at the end of the day and some 'sins' were just not as rife at the age the author wrote it, hence the target audience is different. I'm glad you said 'his' as it is clearly written by men and not God 'itself', neither male nor female.
MrAkbvigilant 11 months ago
MrAk: Well the Catholic priest problems make the opposite point. The Catholics are the Christian group that thinks they have an "oral history" that supplements the Bible. Thus they use that to create this hierarchy of priests, cardinals, & popes, etc that you won't find in the Bible. Thus they set up a situation, with their non-biblical bureaucracy, where this stuff could happen. So it wasn't the ancient Bible that made that problem it was the "modernization" that the Catholics did on their own.
sarabellumm 11 months ago
@sarabellumm I'm with you on the hierarchal system the Catholic Church has created and i'm not saying an old text that didn't firmly say 'don't do this and don't do that' is the problem. Simply to state that as an atheist who knows many other atheists if we do not ever have the urge to hurt someone and to live a good gentle-natured life then religion has done as much bad if not worse damage to humanity than believing that God doesn't even exist. The life and Universe is what I call God.
MrAkbvigilant 11 months ago
@MrAkbvigilant --Just focusing on damage doesn't give credit for all the hospitals, orphan's homes, food pantries, universities (Harvard, Yale, etc) that are directly attributable to religion. Christianity inspired most of the really good stuff in the Western world.
sarabellumm 11 months ago
@sarabellumm True, some really good stuff has been inspired by Christianity, but lets not say 'most' of the really good stuff in the Western world. Most 'good' music, 'interesting' paintings that aren't of religious figures and most charities i'm certain would still exist without any fear of going to hell. I think a good % of people who do good deeds and are religious are doing them for reward. Now, that is not to say that is a bad thing, I'm just not convinced that religion is needed anymore.
MrAkbvigilant 11 months ago
Whether it is needed anymore or not, it certainly has been important in the centuries leading up to here. I wasn't really talking about paintings for the "good stuff" as much as things like the printing press made because people wanted Bibles. Institutions like Harvard, Yale, Dartmouth, etc all started as divinity schools. Most great US hospitals too. Many countries of the world owe their written languages to Christian missionaries wanting to give indigenous people Bibles in their own language.
sarabellumm 11 months ago
@MrAkbvigilant The problem is death, disease, pain, suffering as well as sin that brings all these detriments. There is a need for a relationship with the One who knows all our faults and still loves us enough to die for our sins once for all on the cross. Sin is powerful. It kills. Physical death is a direct result of it. We need a Savior.
Don't confuse the Savior with the short comings, violence, apathy, and hypocricy of man. He is patiently waiting for us to choose Him.
gguessman 10 months ago
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sarabellumm 10 months ago
@MrAkbvigilant About incest: When man was first created, he had perfect (flawless free) genes, and it was expected that a man would marry a sister, cousin, or niece. Many generations after Adam sinned (which brought on genetic diseases and death), God gave the command not to marry close relatives (Lev 18:6-18). This would help prevent genetic copying errors from manifesting as diseases in subsequent generations.
This has been around since Moses wrote it 3,500 years ago.
gguessman 10 months ago
@gguessman actually all genetic variation supposedly comes from noah and his sons and their wives...you know after that flood? Incest....... and the animals did incest too? and then im supposed to believe in light of what I learned from molecular genetics that all animal plant bug and human life we see today reached this level of variation and population from 2500 bc (the actual date of the flood in bible) to now? stop spouting nonsense it hurts my eyes to read >:(
warangel87 9 months ago
@gguessman That doesn't matter one bit. If I only have 20 different perfect legos, and my freind has 20 different legos, But 10 of his are identicle to 10 of mine, it doesn't matter if we they are perfect we got 10 useless legos. In fact mutations are the only thing that lets inbreeding even start to work. (Not that there are not mistakes but without them it is even worse)
ebilly99 9 months ago
This is for Bible Believers:
Remember the sago tree fossils buried with dinosaurs
M !b
gguessman 1 year ago
Dude I just attended a dinosaurs funeral yesterday.
arabmadridista 1 year ago
what about the stegosauerus carving in cambodia, the iguanadon on the nile mosaic, anatomically accurate clay figures of dinos, the brass etchings on bishop bells tomb, eye witness accounts from alexander the greats travels or soft dino tissue found in montanna and 150 myo ink in a squid in UK ? atheism is darkness, this vid proves it !
8chopper9 1 year ago
You don't need to be atheist to know that. Evolution is accepted by catholicism.
Only American rednecks don't believe in it.
fbaezaiv 1 year ago
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what ab artifacts found six thousand years ago predating modern civilization that were of dinosaurs how would these ppl make dinosaur figures out of imagination when dinosaurs came 8718915 million years before
williamfancypants32 1 year ago
what ab artifacts found six thousand years ago predating modern civilization that were of dinosaurs how would these ppl make dinosaur figures out of imagination when dinosaurs came 8718915 million years before
williamfancypants32 1 year ago
It still amazes me that there was a museum in which they showed an exhibit of dinosaurs and humans coexisting.
I have to question the sanity of the creators of that exhibit.
MyPaperBleedsInk 2 years ago 2
Co-existed? More like we would've been a prime entree for T Rex and the other meat eating dinos. The whole planet would've been one big Jurassic Park.
Of course these people insist that meat eating dinos were really plant eaters, because "God wouldn't let them eat humans", and that "smart magma" somehow liquified human remains while fossilizing dinos. And some lady at my gym said that dinos were really "big dogs"- beings grew bigger because they lived longer because "they ate purer"!
Pbirv 2 years ago
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what ab artifacts found six thousand years ago predating modern civilization that were of dinosaurs how would these ppl make dinosaur figures out of imagination when dinosaurs came 8718915 million years before
williamfancypants32 1 year ago
what ab artifacts found six thousand years ago predating modern civilization that were of dinosaurs how would these ppl make dinosaur figures out of imagination when dinosaurs came 8718915 million years before
williamfancypants32 1 year ago
People were making dinosaur figures 6,000 years ago? II don't think so.
Pbirv 1 year ago
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Lohitaksha 2 years ago
OMG! THIS IS LIKE IN MAI DREAM! :O
Purlpemania 2 years ago
That unicorn is an impostor! I know this because he is in fact, visible.
Bobbiethejean 2 years ago
lol!
WeThinkAtheist 2 years ago
WOW! I can't believe you are allowing a pink unicorn to teach you. LOL!!!
B1gDaddy001 2 years ago
The Bible doesn't say anything about humans and dinosaurs living together.
sarabellumm 2 years ago
@sarabellumm
What about Genesis 1 and 2?
olasonn 2 years ago
sarabellum
If man, woman and all the land animals were created on the sixth day less than 10,000 years ago, it follows logically from the literal interpretation of the Bible,that they must have coexisted.
Lohitaksha 2 years ago
"less than 10,000 years ago"
Where do you get less than10,000 years ago? The Bible doesn't have dates in it.
sarabellumm 2 years ago 6
@sarabellumm
No but it does trace generations of families from the creation of man to Jesus. So we can have a good idea of how old the earth is. But Moses is supposed to have lived to between 108 years old to 800 years old so. Maybe it was good dental hygiene.
Forgefire5 1 year ago
@Forgefire5 There are a lot of "we don't knows" in there. We don't know how long Adam was in the Garden, long enough to name all the animals though. We don't know if any unimportant generations were skipped, that wasn't too unusual to do. Also the date of "creation of man" is not the same as the "how old the earth is". Many point out that the days in Genesis 1 are read as eras or epochs by many. Particularly given that the sun wasn't created on the first day, so it can't be a 24-hour period.
sarabellumm 1 year ago
@sarabellumm well put
MrAkbvigilant 11 months ago
@sarabellumm Please see my 2009 paper on this subject: google "The age of the universe: what does the bible say?"
gguessman 10 months ago
@gguessman-- I already know the Bible doesn't have any dates in it and doesn't say anything about the age of the universe. I have no idea how to access your 2009 paper.
sarabellumm 10 months ago
@gguessman Okay, I looked at your paper. It doesn't account for what could be an unlimited amount of time between God creating the earth and God creating man. See Genesis 1. You can't assume the periods of time called "days" in Genesis 1 are 24-hour periods, given the term is used before the creation of the earth and sun.
sarabellumm 10 months ago
@sarabellumm You have good points. In the Bible the time length of "day" is determined by the context. "Day" means a normal 24 hour day/night cycle whenever numerical qualifiers are used like first day, second day, etc. "Day" also means 24 hours when there is any mention of evening or morning. This holds true throughout the hundreds of time it is used in scripture. I know of no exceptions to this.
Ex. 20:11 in 6 days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea and all that is in them...
gguessman 10 months ago
@sarabellumm
No, but many dinosaurs were land animals which were created alongside man on the sixth day.
Forgefire5 1 year ago
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@Forgefire5 "many dinosaurs were land animals which were created alongside man"
Which fits very well with evolution if both being in the sixth day is seen as being in the same epoch.
sarabellumm 1 year ago
Excellent!
AuntieDiluvian 2 years ago
I am in a bit of a predicament here: I don't think, there is enough evidence for the existence of unicorns (just a couple of videos on YOUTUBE showing it is not sufficient), yet what this actually non-existent thing is saying, seems to be correct. What am I to do?
deauvillimus 2 years ago
Trust the message, distrust the messenger...
AnonEyeMouse 2 years ago
hm, interesting concept. Let me ponder...
deauvillimus 2 years ago
And evidence against evolution is not, de facto, evidence for god.
So many creationists, so many lessons to be learned.
GeeKayKayGee 2 years ago 6
@GeeKayKayGee If evolution is not true, then what is the alternative? The only other one I can think of is planet seeding, then you have to ask, were the aliens created, or did they evolve. So if evolution is proven to be untrue, then creation is verified (though not proven).
SrgGoofy 8 months ago
@SrgGoofy "So if evolution is proven to be untrue, then creation is verified (though not proven)."
I find it difficult to argue about this claim as I am not well versed in logic, debate, science and theology and as your statement lacks imo, precision. By 'evolution' do you mean currently accepted evolutionary theory as a whole, so called 'Darwinian Evolution' or do you mean a blanket 'no thing, neither biological, mechanical nor intellectual, has ever evolved from that which preceded it.'?
GeeKayKayGee 8 months ago
@GeeKayKayGee
By 'creation', do you mean creation as is commonly preached by the Abrahamic religions, do you mean creation as told by say the many different indigenous groups of North America, or do you mean creation as ummm... 'out of nothing by some agent or force that is undetectable and unknowable'.?
Were we to argue I might open by claiming that the question need not necessarily be binary, need not be 'it is either this or that'.
GeeKayKayGee 8 months ago
@GeeKayKayGee
I would argue that perhaps there is a 3rd or 4th or more I would argue that perhaps there is a 3rd or 4th or more alternate possibilities and we must first come to agreement on definitions before exploring the idea of 'this or that'.
GeeKayKayGee 8 months ago
@GeeKayKayGee Well, for simplicities sake, we'll use the creationists concept of Macro Evolution, which states that a new Kind can arise from existing Kinds, and that life can spring forth from it's component parts. And we'll call Creation "Intelligent Design" where some entity planned and executed creation.
SrgGoofy 8 months ago
PINK UNICORN :D
TheReasonWhyGuy 2 years ago