This is the best video I have seen. It gladdens my heart hearing such broadminded and erudite Zarathushtis in London, relating in short the migration of Zoroastrians from Iran, due to torture and forced conversions in Iran.
To me "let bygons be bygons" is the best policy, but what about the dwindling numbers of the present Zoroastrians?
I would strongly recommend a concerted effort of admitting the willing Iranis, Kurds and Tajikis, by initiation ceremony and welcoming all the new-comers.
The second massive wave of Iranian Zoroastrians immigrating to India happened during the reign of Shah Abbas II. ..When the army of Fars was going to liberate Gameron (Bandar Abbas) and Hormuz Island from the Portuguese. Many people from Yazd and southern Fars were force out. Some chose to convert to Shiasim . This is what my forefathers did.
do you have statistics and facts regarding the migration of Zoroastrians in the time of the Safavids? I know that many were froced to convert at that time (Abyaneh, Gabrabad, Sanatabad, Esphahan etc...) but if you have information about the Zoroastrians of Pars and Yazd being forced out please share
@shitonMOHAMMAD 2..Zoroastrians of Larestan in southern Pars were attached to their land as farmers as oppose to those in Yazd that were mainly merchants..it would have been easier for them to leave without having to convert...I am a descendent of .a local leader who had told Tavarnelle that they converted in name only in order to remain in their land.
very interesting. Did you ever hear about the story of a place called Ghatel Gah? A place near Borazjan where the locals were massacred by order of an akhound (cleric) who was furious to find the people were Zoroastrians and there was no mosque in the village. Same thing apparently happened at a place called Turkabad in the late 19th century. I compile a list of such incidents for historical purposes. Thanks
@shitonMOHAMMAD It is apparent that you know about this subject more than I do. My knowledge is limited to what I have heard from our elders..(apart from what the french explorer said)...I have heard many stories in this regard.....my fathers uncle who died at the age of 117 about 15 years ago had some interesting stories to tel. Although a devout shia toeards the end of his life he used to say that when he was young people didnt know how to do Islamic prayers. and their fasting was zorostrian
it is certain that in many villages across Iran and even Afghanistan, there are hundreds of thousands if not millions of "muslims" who are not really muslim but are the descended of forced converts. I come from the north of Iran where as a child I remember the elders professing to be muslim but still having many Zoroastrian beliefs that I only understood years later when I studied Zoroastrianism. My father's from Gorgan btw and Gorgan's last Zoroastrians left in the 20th century
@shitonMOHAMMAD Yes you are right, it was only in late 19th and early 20th century that organised shiasim was introdused to many parts of Greater Iran. Prior to this many people were still following their old religion although they were considered muslems.
@shitonMOHAMMAD Hi I was wondering if you could give me some information that you were sharing about the massacres of locals in Iran by akhounds. I would like to include that information in a video I am making.
there's several. Last one was at Turkabad in 19 or 20th century at a place called Ghatl Gah near Borazjan where the population was either massacred or forced to convert. There was the Oasis of Byabanak in the 14th century where the inhabitants were attacked by the Muslims and those that survived forced to convert; there was the forced conversion of Turkabad near Yazd in the late 19th century when the women and children were kidnaped and the men forced to convert
there's several. Last one was at Turkabad in 19 or 20th century at a place called Ghatl Gah near Borazjan where the population was either massacred or forced to convert. There was the Oasis of Byabanak in the 14th century where the inhabitants were attacked by the Muslims and those that survived forced to convert; there was the forced conversion of Turkabad near Yazd in the late 19th century when the women and children were kidnaped and the men forced to convert
there's the forced conversion of the villages and towns near Esphahan under Shah Sultan Hossein II and his akhound mohammad baquer, 500 Zoroastrians at Gabrabad, some 2500 in Esphahan and many others in Najafabad, Gaz, Koupayeh made to either convert or be killed. The blood of thousands made the Zayandeh Rud flow red according to Chardin.
There was Abshahi near Yazd where the muslims forced the Zoroastrians to convert or leave. In Khorassan Ribat, Mafazaq; Kahish,Jarmaq (about 1000 inhabitants) with Bahman, Mehregan, Khur, Mirza Farrokh
were all attacked and forced to convert in the 14th century; there's the massacres of Mazdakites and Zoroastrians at Ray under Nizam al Muluk; the killing of Zoroastrians at Dun in Pakistan by Timur, the razing of four Zoroastrian villages near Mardin in Turkey by Timur etc..
the forced conversion of Abyaneh by the Saffavids, the last Zoroastrians of Gorgan leaving by the 20th century because local muslims would kidap and rape the women and force convert them (sighe)...the razing of the main Fire Temple of Harat in the 9th century by local muslims (unpunished) and the subsequent conversion of the remaining one to a mosque by Timur,
Documents collected from the “Documents on contemporary Zarathushtis in Iran (1868-1948)
In 1878 in Yazd, one rajabali killed Rashid Zartoshty and sought sanctuary in the islamic shrine in Qum. According to shia muslim customs, scuch shelter-seekers are immune from arrest. With the intervention of Arbab Jamshid, the government paid only a small blood money to the heirs of Rashid.
@NizoumiPars Well the only source is a book written by tavarnelle a french explorer ..I have been trying to find it (the english or the persian version for years without success. My Father has read it.....Zoroastrians from yazd were almost certainly deported to India (a few thousand of them) ..however ..Zorostrians from Pars did not leave their homeland for two main reasons..1..They wanted to keep their identity as Persians and Iranians..over and above their religion .thus they converted in name
interesting: There is record of some 18,000 Zoroastrians leaving Persia in the 18th century (after the mass forced conversions because of the akhound mujta'ed mohammad baquer) in a dozen ships and going to India (Surat etc...) Another wave of some 10,000 left in late Qajar times. These last two waves are known as the "Irani" in India
It was very difficult for Iranians to live under Arab rule. Iranians fought for centuries to keep their language alive. those who left were mostly from Mazandaran as well as greater khorrasan regions. Many Arabic tribes were moved to different regions of Iran and this made life even more difficult for Iranians. Islam was imposed upon Persians by force. At least in India the Iranians were free to practice their religions. Many Persian royal families and Yazdgerd's family moved to China.
This is the best video I have seen. It gladdens my heart hearing such broadminded and erudite Zarathushtis in London, relating in short the migration of Zoroastrians from Iran, due to torture and forced conversions in Iran.
To me "let bygons be bygons" is the best policy, but what about the dwindling numbers of the present Zoroastrians?
I would strongly recommend a concerted effort of admitting the willing Iranis, Kurds and Tajikis, by initiation ceremony and welcoming all the new-comers.
Hormuzd1 4 weeks ago
Sepas gozoram dooste! Bayad deroud mi konnam!
kalimaganeshshivan 4 months ago
i have met some parsis in karachi pakistan they are great people but rather very odd people they are almost reciprocal of south asians
qj35 5 months ago
Bayad Gol be paye anha rikht
zangir2007 6 months ago
we love you all parsees in India and we do feel you all!!!
Ziba7000 1 year ago
The second massive wave of Iranian Zoroastrians immigrating to India happened during the reign of Shah Abbas II. ..When the army of Fars was going to liberate Gameron (Bandar Abbas) and Hormuz Island from the Portuguese. Many people from Yazd and southern Fars were force out. Some chose to convert to Shiasim . This is what my forefathers did.
NizoumiPars 1 year ago
@NizoumiPars
could you share a bit more info people? I am very interested
shitonMOHAMMAD 10 months ago
@shitonMOHAMMAD yes certainly ....ask whatever you are not clear about ..will be glad to answer
NizoumiPars 10 months ago
@NizoumiPars
do you have statistics and facts regarding the migration of Zoroastrians in the time of the Safavids? I know that many were froced to convert at that time (Abyaneh, Gabrabad, Sanatabad, Esphahan etc...) but if you have information about the Zoroastrians of Pars and Yazd being forced out please share
shitonMOHAMMAD 10 months ago
@shitonMOHAMMAD 2..Zoroastrians of Larestan in southern Pars were attached to their land as farmers as oppose to those in Yazd that were mainly merchants..it would have been easier for them to leave without having to convert...I am a descendent of .a local leader who had told Tavarnelle that they converted in name only in order to remain in their land.
NizoumiPars 10 months ago
@NizoumiPars
very interesting. Did you ever hear about the story of a place called Ghatel Gah? A place near Borazjan where the locals were massacred by order of an akhound (cleric) who was furious to find the people were Zoroastrians and there was no mosque in the village. Same thing apparently happened at a place called Turkabad in the late 19th century. I compile a list of such incidents for historical purposes. Thanks
shitonMOHAMMAD 10 months ago
@shitonMOHAMMAD It is apparent that you know about this subject more than I do. My knowledge is limited to what I have heard from our elders..(apart from what the french explorer said)...I have heard many stories in this regard.....my fathers uncle who died at the age of 117 about 15 years ago had some interesting stories to tel. Although a devout shia toeards the end of his life he used to say that when he was young people didnt know how to do Islamic prayers. and their fasting was zorostrian
NizoumiPars 10 months ago
@NizoumiPars
it is certain that in many villages across Iran and even Afghanistan, there are hundreds of thousands if not millions of "muslims" who are not really muslim but are the descended of forced converts. I come from the north of Iran where as a child I remember the elders professing to be muslim but still having many Zoroastrian beliefs that I only understood years later when I studied Zoroastrianism. My father's from Gorgan btw and Gorgan's last Zoroastrians left in the 20th century
shitonMOHAMMAD 10 months ago
@shitonMOHAMMAD Yes you are right, it was only in late 19th and early 20th century that organised shiasim was introdused to many parts of Greater Iran. Prior to this many people were still following their old religion although they were considered muslems.
NizoumiPars 10 months ago
@shitonMOHAMMAD Hi I was wondering if you could give me some information that you were sharing about the massacres of locals in Iran by akhounds. I would like to include that information in a video I am making.
Thanks
kiabadie 7 months ago
@kiabadie
there's several. Last one was at Turkabad in 19 or 20th century at a place called Ghatl Gah near Borazjan where the population was either massacred or forced to convert. There was the Oasis of Byabanak in the 14th century where the inhabitants were attacked by the Muslims and those that survived forced to convert; there was the forced conversion of Turkabad near Yazd in the late 19th century when the women and children were kidnaped and the men forced to convert
shitonMOHAMMAD 7 months ago
@kiabadie
there's several. Last one was at Turkabad in 19 or 20th century at a place called Ghatl Gah near Borazjan where the population was either massacred or forced to convert. There was the Oasis of Byabanak in the 14th century where the inhabitants were attacked by the Muslims and those that survived forced to convert; there was the forced conversion of Turkabad near Yazd in the late 19th century when the women and children were kidnaped and the men forced to convert
shitonMOHAMMAD 7 months ago
@kiabadie
there's the forced conversion of the villages and towns near Esphahan under Shah Sultan Hossein II and his akhound mohammad baquer, 500 Zoroastrians at Gabrabad, some 2500 in Esphahan and many others in Najafabad, Gaz, Koupayeh made to either convert or be killed. The blood of thousands made the Zayandeh Rud flow red according to Chardin.
shitonMOHAMMAD 7 months ago
@kiabadie
There was Abshahi near Yazd where the muslims forced the Zoroastrians to convert or leave. In Khorassan Ribat, Mafazaq; Kahish,Jarmaq (about 1000 inhabitants) with Bahman, Mehregan, Khur, Mirza Farrokh
were all attacked and forced to convert in the 14th century; there's the massacres of Mazdakites and Zoroastrians at Ray under Nizam al Muluk; the killing of Zoroastrians at Dun in Pakistan by Timur, the razing of four Zoroastrian villages near Mardin in Turkey by Timur etc..
shitonMOHAMMAD 7 months ago
the forced conversion of Abyaneh by the Saffavids, the last Zoroastrians of Gorgan leaving by the 20th century because local muslims would kidap and rape the women and force convert them (sighe)...the razing of the main Fire Temple of Harat in the 9th century by local muslims (unpunished) and the subsequent conversion of the remaining one to a mosque by Timur,
shitonMOHAMMAD 7 months ago
here's an interesting passage:
Documents collected from the “Documents on contemporary Zarathushtis in Iran (1868-1948)
In 1878 in Yazd, one rajabali killed Rashid Zartoshty and sought sanctuary in the islamic shrine in Qum. According to shia muslim customs, scuch shelter-seekers are immune from arrest. With the intervention of Arbab Jamshid, the government paid only a small blood money to the heirs of Rashid.
shitonMOHAMMAD 7 months ago
@NizoumiPars Well the only source is a book written by tavarnelle a french explorer
NizoumiPars 10 months ago
@NizoumiPars Well the only source is a book written by tavarnelle a french explorer ..I have been trying to find it (the english or the persian version for years without success. My Father has read it.....Zoroastrians from yazd were almost certainly deported to India (a few thousand of them) ..however ..Zorostrians from Pars did not leave their homeland for two main reasons..1..They wanted to keep their identity as Persians and Iranians..over and above their religion .thus they converted in name
NizoumiPars 10 months ago
@NizoumiPars
interesting: There is record of some 18,000 Zoroastrians leaving Persia in the 18th century (after the mass forced conversions because of the akhound mujta'ed mohammad baquer) in a dozen ships and going to India (Surat etc...) Another wave of some 10,000 left in late Qajar times. These last two waves are known as the "Irani" in India
shitonMOHAMMAD 7 months ago
Private message me a link, please.
PersoAryanism 1 year ago
ba dorud! vaghean jaleb ,mohem va ghabel TAFSIR.......Hamid.
theshirzadegan1 1 year ago 5
Great video thanks
Achaemenians 1 year ago 8
It was very difficult for Iranians to live under Arab rule. Iranians fought for centuries to keep their language alive. those who left were mostly from Mazandaran as well as greater khorrasan regions. Many Arabic tribes were moved to different regions of Iran and this made life even more difficult for Iranians. Islam was imposed upon Persians by force. At least in India the Iranians were free to practice their religions. Many Persian royal families and Yazdgerd's family moved to China.
goonagoonn 1 year ago 3