Spotlight on a Young Polygamist Family - Our America with Lisa Ling - Oprah Winfrey Network

[BornBW]

He switches rooms? haha. I have 2 women that sleep in my bed every night and both are hotter than these 2. You think he has it made? One is my wife legally the other joined later but pretty much same ordeal. There is no separate rooms though.

[118100006]

Its not a religion... It's a life style choice... If you study ancient cultures, history and the Holy Bible you'll find that multiple wives as always been the practice its just modern society that frowns on upon it yet they nod their heads and approve of homosexuals... FYI there is also evidence that homosexuals were not accepted in ancient culture.

[ic0urtneyi]

it's a religion and it's their belief. what gives anyone the right to say it's wrong? noone is being harmed and they are consenting adults so it's their choice. even w/ warren jeffs making a mockery of their faith, all religions have a public figure doing the same thing

[PolyPride3]

Have people ever considered that it's possible for 2 different people (like the 2 wives in this video) to be attracted to the same guy.  And what happens if those 2 different people are open to poly? Why must a man choose when he can have both?

[PolyPride3]

If these women want 25 kids or lots of kids as it seems in this video, then that is a very challenging situation. Multiple wives would help but then again so would multiple housekeepers. Either way would work just as long as choice and no abuse is involved.

[PolyPride3]

Jmmlk1987..

It's only a double standard if the women actually want multiple husbands and if they didn't want multiple wives. It could be that these women don't want multiple husbands and instead they want multiple wives. Nothing wrong with that just as long as everyone is getting what they want instead of people telling them what they should want.

[PolyPride3]

jmmlk,

You seem to object to the wife allowing her husband to have sex with another woman. Morals vary from person to person but in my view it's moral for a husband to have sex with the other woman who is also his wife and not just any woman. This is all done in honesty and that's how the relationship works.

[JettMane]

this is why i love bisexual women.

[118100006]

Jmmmlk1987

Your missing to whole point.

[jmmlk1987]

It's a double standard. If he's allowed more than one wife, they should be allowed more than one husband. Then and only then would I start to agree with these arrangements and begin seeing it as a completely fair, eye to eye relationship.

[jmmlk1987]

I'm all for personal choice & for there to be an unlimited amount of love shared in a family. Who am I to say that what they're doing is wrong? But in my personal opinion, I see 2 women that are afraid of going through life and life's challenges alone so they feel the need and get comfort out of having a "best friend" that lives with them and shares the role of mother and wife. I think it's very sad that they find it completely ok and normal for their husband to be having sex with someone else.

[PolyPride3]

@jmmlk1987

I don't see any evidence that these women wanted polygamy because of fear of life's challenges. Even if that was the case, I don't see marrying as being wrong just as long as they are getting love, support, and happiness in the process like this family it seems. Would you think it is wrong for a single mother to want to get married IN PART because she doesn't want to go through life alone and it's too hard on her?

[118100006]

There was an interesting point made in this clip... That jealously is put aside and issues are worked through.... You can see the genuine love between the sisters... You can't achieve that without working things out... In the end what remains is a strong, secure home.... That's what polygamy is about.

[118100006]

I don't know how or why but ever since i was a small boy i always believed polygamy was right. If you study history, ancient cultures and the Bible multiple wives has always been a way of life. I seek like minded women; I like strong educated independent women not afraid of hard work, home schooling children, farming, hunting, fishing. I also realize what i miss most is companionship and a large family. So my mind is made up i want to marry tender, caring and loving sister wives.

[thezinkcoo]

@118100006 I agree with you. If you read history polygamy was always the norm all over the world. Now people have been so brainwashed into beleiving that it is wrong.

[118100006]

I'm not Mormon either but I agree polygamy is not only for Mormon, Muslims or some far away land. It's also for consenting adults in modern America.

[4melimeli]

They are beautiful. Love and respect are the only important things. Love has not limits. Love matters, not sex! If they love and respect each others and provide each others, I don't see why people would be againts polyamory. Polyamory for more sex is wrong, but for love and a sense of community is right for both men and women. The love of God and the spirit of christ are universal.

[ProvidentTools]

THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT MORMONS ONCE AND FOR ALL.

[PolyPride3]

Brunhilda,

You made a point about polygamy causing a shortage of available women for men. The reality is that we have that right now under a monogamy-enforced system. Secondly, your point is valid only if polyGYNY is allowed but my points have been about allowing all forms of polygamy. In a democratic society that also has equal opportunity and rights between the genders polygamy would be allowed in all forms. If people like you truly wanted all men to have a wife then they'd be for polyANDRY

[PolyPride3]

Brunhilda,

You said that polygamy does not allow women to have multiple husbands, gays to marry, etc. Your point here is not logical in that it restricts polygamy to MORMON polygamy or polyGYNY. If you look at just the definition, polygamy can be practiced in any combination of genders and sexaulity. Also if you refer to history and even cross-culturally, then you'll notice that polygamy can be practiced in different ways and for different reasons. PolyANDRY is practiced in India and Tibet.

[PolyPride3]

Two comments that I made yesterday aren't showing up for some reason so I'll go ahead and repost them again and make copies.

[PolyPride3]

For the record, I'm not a Mormon and never was. I'm just open to polygamy between consenting adults and I only use some Mormon polygamous relationships as an example, when relevant. Otherwise, there are others who practice polygamy and other non-marital multi-partner relationships like polyamorists, non-Mormon polygamists, and the many alternative lifestyles out there. People really need to get over associating polygamy with ONLY Mormonism which is another negative effect of the media.

[PolyPride3]

cont'd from my last comment

When people don't have any 'logical' reasons for disagreeing with polygamy, their hatred for it most likely stems from 'prejudice'. That's not suprising since most are born and raised in and taught monogamy. When polygamy is based on the choice of ALL adults involved, including women, I fail to see how it is misogynist. I'd rather believe some are just unreasonable intolerant or prejudiced.

[BrunhildaSwecker]

@PolyPride3 The issue is that:

1) It does not allow for say, one woman to marry multiple men.

2) Multiple men to be married to each other.

3) Multiple women to be married to each other.

And then because the system is simply so easily corruptible.

Is that enough logic? Furthermore, look at the basis of their beliefs. They are under the impression that by being in multiple-wife marriages, they will become the gods on other planets. Seriously?

[BrunhildaSwecker]

@PolyPride3 Not to mention, if you do the math:

Females and males are born in approximately the same number. So let's postulate this:

There are 100 men and 100 women in a little town. They have no connections to the outside world (not to mention even if you add in the outside world, you still end up with bad math). Each man marries 5 women. This means that only 20 of the men can be married. Each family of 5 women to 1 man has 20 kids, equal numbers of females and males. This means-

[BrunhildaSwecker]

@PolyPride3 If we continue out math there are several consequences:

1) the number of young men unable to marry increases as each generation continues, (even if we assume that there are no women of the second/third/etc. generations marrying older men).

2) What are these displaced men to do? Fight? Wait until the next generation of women comes along and marry into them, displacing more young men?

3) What about inbreeding? Genetics?

4) What about women and men who are lesbians, gays, asexuals,-

[BrunhildaSwecker]

@PolyPride3 transgendered, or anything else? Where do those people fit in? Not to mention, what about wives who hate each other? What about people fighting over who gets what, whose children gets what, who gets to sleep with the single male? What about filling out taxation forms properly, how complicated would THAT be?

Not to mention cheating. For example, if Bob is married to Cassie, Sandra, Beth and Martha, but Martha and Cassie are secretly lesbians who have sex together is it cheating?

[PolyPride3]

@BrunhildaSwecker

To continue with your other points about population shortages of one gender... Like I said, all forms of polygamy in any combination of genders and sexuality should be allowed within the context of CONSENT of ALL adults involved. That takes honesty so that way no one is cheating anyone, and even if that does occur, just like it does in monogamous relationships, there's always that option to leave for a more honest poly or monogamous relationship with honest people.

[BrunhildaSwecker]

@PolyPride3 So, is that not 'logical' enough for you?

[BrunhildaSwecker]

@PolyPride3 And another thing:

Let's say Jenny and Kelly are married to Gordon and they have two kids each. Then Gordon dies, and Jenny marries another man, Denny (who has another wife, Hannah), and brings her two biological kids with her. Let's say Jenny's kid Wanda starts to fall for one of Denny's and Hannah's kids, who is NOT biologically related to her, Albert. Is that a good idea? What about the pain of having to ditch her other two siblings when Kelly/Gordon/Jenny's marriage died? Hmmm?

[PolyPride3]

@BrunhildaSwecker

Your point about Jenny, Kelly, Gordon, Hannah, and Denny is no different than a SINGLE man who has kids marries a woman who has kids also. And I don't believe any of the kids should engage in any romantic or sexual relations because they are half brothers and sisters. That's my belief but since people know to apply that in monogamous settings I'm not sure why you assume polygamists would not do the same.

[PolyPride3]

On the YouTube search, type in "Christine on choosing polygamy". Christine is the polygamous wife on the show Sister Wives. She explains wanting polygamy for companionship reasons.

[MeredithOD]

@PolyPride3 yeah it's funny how you say that the media pedals incorrect or limited notions of polygamy like portraying it in a misogynistic light. You're wrong. Actually, the American media strives to present as accepting a portrait as possible--for instance, the works of Journalist Lisa Ling and TLC's Sister Wives. However, this portrait is vastly WRONG. The foundations of polygamy are egregiously misogynistic. Don't be fooled by the overly accepting media's portrayal. It is corrupt

[PolyPride3]

@MeredithOD

MOST of the media coverage has been about polygamists on ISOLATED compounds like those under Warren Jeffs. Yes, I do admit that only recently there's a 'slight' shift. The foundations of polygamy are not isolated to one theory or one people, ANYONE can practice it and start it for religious or secular reasons and with any combination of genders and sexuality. You're likely thinking poly is just MORMONISM when you put unnecessary conditions on polygamy.

[PolyPride3]

cont'd from my last comment..

Some women choose polyGYNY because they want extra companionship in their marriage. A marriage to them can be more than just romance and can also include social companionship in the way that women socially bond together. Of course, most women aren't that social as to want to share their man with a good friend but some may depending on how close they want their companionship to be. Benefits u have extra support emotionally and financially among other things.

[SSBBify]

His last name is Young. You can't explain that.

[GodIsLove621]

all lies

[xaktube]

brainwashed

[MeredithOD]

I really don't enjoy Lisa Ling's take on polygamy on the media circuit. After all her years of experience as a journalist, you'd think she'd be more aware that it's easy to behave well when the cameras are rolling, but her "investigation" did not begin to scratch the surface of what this lifestyle is really like. Part of being brainwashed is presenting a favorable image to the outside society.

"The kids seem well-adjusted..." okay, Lisa..whatever you say...

[Xt0tallyXr0cknX]

@MeredithOD And how would you know who is "brainwashed"? What makes you think you weren't "brainwashed"? Open your mind, lady.

[nuukl]

@Xt0tallyXr0cknX Please do some research on polygamy before you call Meredith close minded for calling out Lisa Ling's so called investigation. I was also disappointed in this episode, not all the facts about this polygamist group was told to the viewers. Even men who have been raised and left the polygamist way of life warn about the dangers of allowing it. Girls are indoctrinated since birth to live the polygamist principle, they are not taught any other choice for their salvation.

[MeredithOD]

@Xt0tallyXr0cknX Granted everyone is brainwashed, mainstream society is just brainwashed to believe something different. But there are certain societal standards that are in effect for a reason. Polygamy is unfair and unhealthy. Period.

[Xt0tallyXr0cknX]

@MeredithOD I agree that everyone is extremely influenced by the things around them. But you are also not giving reasons as to why it is "unfair and unhealthy", that is just your opinion. I'm still waiting for someone to convince me using facts and logic or anything that is actually real that polygamy is unethical.

[MeredithOD]

@Xt0tallyXr0cknX The needs of only the father is met. The reason for this is because the faith decries that the man of the household will decide who is brought into Heaven based on how they served him in this life. The women believe that suffering in this life will grant them bliss in the afterlife. Now look at the implications that this thought process will have on the emotional development of the children. And if they ever try to live as part of mainstream society, they

[MeredithOD]

@Xt0tallyXr0cknX will be extremely outcasted and illequipped, emotionally, psychologically and mentally, to handle life outside their domain, as it is so vastly different from the rest of the society of which they are a part. Also, just think of the cultural ramifications, even just logistically, the world country would suffer if polygamy ever "caught on." Several men would be left without a spouse while a few had several...Doesn't make sense on any platform.

[Xt0tallyXr0cknX]

@MeredithOD I'm sorry. But the ideas in the scriptures of polygamy are just as outrageous and silly as the scriptures of Christianity. The existence of any kind of afterlife is supported just as much as the idea that suffering in this life will grant happiness in the afterlife. We don't know for sure what happens when we die, so it is ignorant to defend to the death that a group of people is wrong because they believe slightly differently than what you believe.

[MeredithOD]

@Xt0tallyXr0cknX I don't know what happens after death, but I sure know that I don't want to teach my daughters to stuff and serve men in this life or otherwise be doomed. I know that philosophy doesn't raise healthy daughters...or sons.. who will be capable of functioning in society. Defend their rights all you want--it is WRONG.

[Xt0tallyXr0cknX]

@MeredithOD Polygamy is not always about serving the man though. Women also feel independence in polygamous marriages. That's the thing. And you keep saying "wrong" like you know what is absolute spiritual law and you don't so just stop. Stop saying that. It is a round-about argument and I really hope your job does not require logic or ethics.

[PolyPride3]

@MeredithOD

People usually think that polygamy is all about the man because they lack knowledge of all of the diverse ways polygamy can be practiced. Most people are used to only hearing about the patriarchal and primitive style of polygamy which is oftentimes reinforced by the media. If you read on polygamy beyond that, including learning about some of the reasons why women would choose the poly lifestyle, then you'll see that polygamy can be practiced to where it's not about ONLY the man

[Xt0tallyXr0cknX]

@MeredithOD And what cultural ramifications? How would the world suffer? I'm sorry, but I don't live an ignorant life and I wouldn't shun and outcast people for having different beliefs. There are a lot of people who are not equipped to handle life. That is not inherent to polygamy. Also, there are a lot of men on this earth who don't have wives now...So that "platform" is irrelevant. Clearly it isnt going to catch on everywhere, so just calm the hell down.

[davidbenjeshua]

And yet, the mormons are wrong. While The Bible allows polygamy, it does not command it. It is an acceptable form of marriage, but not the ideal form. In the Bible, KINGS are not to multiply wives (Deut 17:17), and Pastors are to have only one wife (1 Timothy 3:2). Polygamy can be convenient, from an economical perspective. More incomes, in only one house. BUT, the Book of Mormon is a lie. Watch: "The Bible vs the Book of Mormon". Now, women should not divorce when their man gets another wife.

[davidbenjeshua]

In The Bible, Jacob had 4 wives, David had 7, Solomon had like 700, Joash had 2, Abraham had 2, Isaac had 1. God never said that when a man has more than one wife, it is adultery. But God said (Matthew 5:32) that if a man divorces his wife in order to get another one, (unless she is unfaithful), THEN he commits adultery. So if this guy in the video would have dumped the first wife, to get the second one, that would be adultery. But having both is the same that men did in the Bible.