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crap, cutting the f22 is pure politics, the same politics as the bush administration.Push the f35 and dump the 22, gates is doing the same thing here, the f22 is hands down the best fighter in the world.the f35 cant begin to touch it yet obama isnt cutting the 35. no change from the last admin. the f15 is 30 yrs old. replace it with the 22 NOT the inferior 35!!!
What do you guys think about the Typhoon against the newest Flanker? Are the Russians exagerrating it's effectivness? Because on paper that's a hell of a plane for the price. I'd be interested to see how well the Irbis radar really performs.
The Su-35, EarlMcCrackin? There's currently only one, so it's a non-issue really. If and/or when it completes flight testing, is built in any numbers, and is finally deployed, then we should speculate. Pogosyan at Sukhoi says they could build up to 200 Su-35s (at about 20/year), which in the big picture isn't really that many. Where have they publicly stated a price for it (or how much have you heard)? If Irbis lives up to its billing, it should be effective against the Typhoon. Time will tell.
"If Irbis lives up to its billing, it should be effective against the Typhoon. Time will tell."
Regardless of the whatever increased range the Irbis-E is claimed to have against reduced signature or VLO aircraft, it will also almost certainly allow any advanced RWR/ESM to passively detect the Su-35/T-10BM at even greater ranges still.
Agreed, MrPikon, that it would be folly for the Sukhoi pilot to advertise his presence to potential adversaries. But in both the case of the Typhoon and the F-22, the Sukhoi pilot wouldn't necessarily know the adversary was there (without help from ground-based radars or AWACS). The F-22's AN/ALR-94 would detect the Irbis-E easily, if the Sukhoi pilot was attempting to search such at ranges of 400km.
Irbis detection ranges are at peak power as well, EarlMcCracken, and not necessarily representative of continuous outputs. Tiffy's RCS is considerably larger than the F-22, so all else being equal, Su-35 should detect the Typhoon earlier, but how much earlier remains to be seen, as I'm not convinced Irbis has been fully shaken down (even though development has been underway for several years).
AN/APG-77 has a power advantage over Irbis-E, EarlMcCracken, so transmit range isn't an issue. It has the Irbis covered. Secondary sensors on the F-22 have ranges equivalent to Irbis-E. Additionally, Irbis has no LPI mode, so its emissions are a giveaway as to its presence. It is physically larger and heavier than AN/APG-77, but has a lower T/R module count, less advanced modules, less capable thermal management system, lower MTBF, and a moving array (moving parts to break). Close, but no cigar.
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What use of this aircraft, when we cannot engage on anything that is hostile to our best interests??? The pilots need permission from buffoons that have no clue what to do????
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"typhoon main competition is 4th gen fighters like the rafle"
The Typhoon competes not only with the Rafale, but with various fighters including the F-35 for international sales, and you seem to make a point of labelling the Rafale as '4th gen' but in Europe you will you find the Gripen, Typhoon and the F-22 also referred to as 4th Generation; whatever terminology you use the Rafale is a new generation fighter.
F-22 is a 5th gen...its not a matter of opinion and its not a matter of where you live depends on what its labeled...Its a matter of capabilities and features..do your research.
Dan Robinson must be part of a secret USAF brainwashing program, em745aa. How else could we explain his comments? Could it be that his comments are both his own AND true? And why would the RAF let such a video be posted on their website?
"Could it be that his comments are both his own AND true? And why would the RAF let such a video be posted on their website?"
No doubt it is his own opinion, why would the RAF want to censor the views of their pilots ? ...
His opinion on the F-22 is crystal clear, but it will be very interesting to see if it remains the same once he's actually flown the Typhoon; or flown against it. ;)
General John P Jumper is the 'only' person known to have piloted 'both' the Typhoon 'and' F-22, and being the USAF's Chief of Staff it would have been a bit tricky to censor his comments (:D) but they certainly seemed to contradict the notion that the F-22 is a whole generation more advanced than the Typhoon -
"Despite being designed for different missions, General Jumper said the Eurofighter and the Raptor are equally high-tech aircraft."
Another excerpt from the same interview, again referring to the Typhoon and F-22 -
"the two aircraft are running neck-and-neck, but America must always be vigilant to ensure it stays on the cutting edge of aviation technology."
"You can see the technology that is out there compared with ours, you see the avionics and all of the great progress that has been made. You make sure you are not too complacent, because the technology that they have is very competitive with technology that we have."
Implicit in the quotes you cite, MrPikon, is the fact that the US has the technology lead. Jumper warns against complacency (viewed from the point of superiority), lest the advantage dwindle or disappear. Eurofighter used to claim on its own website (a fact we've discussed before) that the F-22 was superior in most aspects (a startling admission to me). They've since changed their marketing strategy, but never have gone so far as to contradict their previous statements.
"Implicit in the quotes you cite, MrPikon, is the fact that the US has the technology lead"
I suggest taking another read -
"the two aircraft are running neck-and-neck"
So according to the Gen jumper the two are 'neck-and-neck'. In a race, if one competitor has a clear lead and crosses the finish line ahead of the other competitor would you say that the two competitors are 'neck-and-neck' ?
Where I come from 'neck-and-neck' means so close that the difference is virtually indeterminable. ;)
"Jumper warns against complacency (viewed from the point of superiority), lest the advantage dwindle or disappear."
"but America must always be vigilant to ensure it stays on the cutting edge of aviation technology"
And the F-22 is at the cutting edge of aviation technology, but of course as the rest of Gen Jumper's statement confers, more than one nation can be at the cutting edge of aviation technology; a concept it seems a lot of people commenting here can't quite grasp ...
"Eurofighter used to claim on its own website (a fact we've discussed before) that the F-22 was superior in most aspects (a startling admission to me)."
If you mean the official site then 'yes', Eurofighter still do say on there website that in the air superiority/dominance role the F-22 is the more capable aircraft, which is probably true, but as yet unproven of course. The nice little animated chart on the same page there also shows that Typhoon has a better cost/performance ratio though. ;)
The animation's new since I last visited their site, MrPikon, but it doesn't qualify or quantify how they arrive at their costs (flyaway, weapons' system, etc.). Without knowing, and without numbers to judge, it should be taken with the proverbial grain of salt. The flyaway cost, on the diagram below the one you cite, is equally vague, since no monetary units are expressed. Today's F-22 flyaway is $137.467 million? What's claim for the Typhoon? I'd read 70 million pounds ($136.934 million USD).
Do you know to what extent Jumper tested each platform's limits, MrPikon? Without that, it's hard to know the context in which your quotes were made. Political motivations may have also influenced the General's commentary.
"Do you know to what extent Jumper tested each platform's limits"
Did Dan Robinson push the Typhoon to it's limits before making his statement ? ...
General Jumper is the only person known to have flown 'both' aircraft, and as the USAF Chief of Staff at that time General Jumper would have been fully aware of the F-22's capabilities and features. He was perhaps less aware of the Typhoon's potential but still felt he had seen enough to comment that they were 'running neck-and-neck'. ;)
I don't ever recall saying that Lt. Robinson had flown the Typhoon, MrPikon. In his previous RAF assignment, he was an F-3 Tornado pilot with combat experience in Iraq. From what I understand, Jumper never experienced the F-22's max capabilities, although he should be aware of them as you state. I can't speak to his Typhoon experiences, as can nobody else posting on YouTube I suspect. His comments are vague in many respects as to how the platforms match up, thus all the varying interpretations.
"Political motivations may have also influenced the General's commentary."
Oh, come on 4Skunky, it would be easy to suggest that a similar motive 'may' have been behind Dan Robinson comments, he is after all the only pilot from the RAF to fly the USAF's most advanced fighter, even if he had hated the plane I'm sure that he would have been obliged be complementary of it anyway. (rolleyes) ...
... Of course Dan Robinson's comments go beyond just being complementary for the sake of politeness, that much is obvious, and I think he genuinely loves the plane; which is hardly surprising I suppose. :)
In the same way, Gen Jumpers comments leave little to the imagination, he says that the F-22 and Typhoon are 'equally high-tech aircraft', if this was all just for the purpose of politically back patting an ally then why not just make an ambiguous but still complementary statement about the plane ? e.g. 'the Typhoon is a fine fighter' ? ...
C. Todd Lopez of the USAF, attributes to General Jumper the statement that the two planes are "equally high-tech", MrPikon, but he isn't quoting the General directly, and nowhere does the original article say the two platforms are equals. The article does say Jumper had "familiarization flights" in both planes, but that's the extent of the claim. Jumper also says the F-22 "can maneuver with the best of them if it has to", referring to the F-22's capabilities versus other fighters.
"C. Todd Lopez of the USAF, attributes to General Jumper the statement that the two planes are "equally high-tech", MrPikon, but he isn't quoting the General directly"
If Lopez was not quoting General Jumper directly then would it not be untrue to say "General Jumper said", if in fact General Jumper didn't say anything of the sort ?, and if it isn't a direct quote, and Lopez's wording completly misrepresents the General's original point then why did the USAF allow it to be published ? ;)
I don't know if Lopez was paraphrasing or summarizing Jumper's thoughts, MrPikon. I do know some statements were placed in quotes, and others like the 'equally high-tech' were not. I don't know his intent or the context from which the statement was derived. I'm just taking it as it was written.
Of course it's political back patting. Yes they're equally sophisticated but with completely different roles. The Typhoon is more versatile and more impressive in Air-Ground capabilities. But in Air-Air there's no doubt the F-22 is currently the most impressive fighter to date. All it needs is an HMD update and it's about as good as it gets. Obviously that's a simplified answer (this is you tube) but I don't see why you insist on comparing them. If anything the F-35 is a better comparison.
Reading a little much into my comments, MrPikon? Political motivations, as the desire for Congress to keep funding the Raptor, implying that others could build aircraft that could threaten future US air dominance if the service didn't receive what it felt it needed (there were some rough political times in 2004/2005). That's one plausible political motivation. In his position, Jumper obviously shouldn't tip his hand, and should try to seek as many Raptors as he feels the USAF needs.
"Political motivations, as the desire for Congress to keep funding the Raptor, implying that others could build aircraft that could threaten future US air dominance if the service didn't receive what it felt it needed (there were some rough political times in 2004/2005). That's one plausible political motivation."
4Skunky, Is it really that inconceivable that Jumper was just giving his honest opinion about both aircraft, and was genuinely very impressed with the Typhoon ? ....
Not inconceivable, MrPikon, but as I said, much in his statements is vague, so it's a little hard to assess. Jumper has lots of flying time under his belt, but very little in either aircraft (his time in both planes described as "familiarization flights", FWIW). The amount of time in each wouldn't seem to qualify him to thoroughly assess the full capabilities. Maybe more like first impressions of each would be a more accurate description.
... So ignoring the Typhoon for a minute, where does that leave the F-35 then ? which will lack the ability to Supercruise and is projected to have manoeuvrability equal to that of the F-16. It will lack what both Lockheed and it seems also Dan Robinson consider to be defining characteristics of a '5th Generation' aircraft; hmmmmm ...
Both are inexpensive considering the capabilities they offer, or in comparison to the stellar cost of the F-22, but there's only one budget European fighter and that's the Gripen.
sorry its not eurofighter that makes it!! it is a group of 4 european countries making a fighter aircraft therefore eurofighter anyway back to the video, looks an awesome plane but the typhoon would still beat it anyday!!
As an American, I agree. But John P Jumper (the only man to fly both the Typhoon and Raptor) said they're both on a pretty much even par with one another, they're just two different kinds of planes, desgined to do two different kinds of missions. The Typhoon is awsome in a dogfight, whereas the raptor could hold its own in a dog fight with outstanding transient performance, but is built to hit threats far out. They typhoon can do that too, although seemingly not as well as the raptor.
-"As an American, I agree. But John P Jumper (the only man to fly both the Typhoon and Raptor) said they're both on a pretty much even par with one another"
Bear in mind that Jumper's commentary (have you read ALL of it?) was made years ago, and I doubt he flew both planes in the same manner as we've seen on these YouTube vids.
"Bear in mind that Jumper's commentary (have you read ALL of it?) was made years ago, and I doubt he flew both planes in the same manner as we've seen on these YouTube vids."
Your right, this was back in 2005 when both aircraft had barely reached IOC, and he only took the Typhoon on a brief familiarisation flight, so if anything you would think that as the USAF Chief of Staff he should have been more aware of the F-22's capabilities.
Perhaps, and I doubt he really put either plane through the extensive transient performance tests that the test pilots do, but still, you'd think he is pretty familiar with both planes.
I have read the whole comment, and I doubt that Jumper put the planes through the paces a test pilot does, but I believe his statement to have credibility given his access to information.
It's definetly a big, heavy fighter which is honestly an advantage in the bigger picture. More fuel and a bigger radar. Plus It still manages to keep a T/W ratio higher than 1.
Very long takeoff run compared to the Typhoon. Apart from the backflip a very lumbering display requiring full afterburner - are we sure this lump of lead can supercruise?
LOL. The Raptor might have the shortest takeoff distance of any fighter right now. That was the long roll out where they gain speed to do the sharp climb.
And according to pilots it has no problems supercruising at Mach 1.7.
All aircraft look like lumps of lead at low altitude, even the Typhoon. You forget, "mach speed is relative at different altitudes." Let's see your EF try and keep up with this at 50 000 ft MSL past Mach 1.2 - without burners.
Besides, that takeoff roll was long on purpose, to build up momentum for the vertical maneuver. Even an EF driver would have done the same.
"LOL id like to see a Tyhpoon take off in that distance straight into a verticle climb."
The Typhoon can take-off in 7 seconds flat, using just 900 ft of runway, the F-22 on the other hand takes 10 seconds and needs just over 1000ft of runway, so both have great STOL performance but the Typhoon has the F-22 beat in that respect. Also the F-22 on this clip didn't climb immediately after takeoff, it had a run-up first. ;)
the typhoon is a whole generation behind the f22. its performance is downright laughable compared to the f22. get a life. you buy a cheap fighter like the typhoon , with no advanced technolgy and thats what you get. a lemon
"the typhoon is a whole generation behind the f22. its performance is downright laughable compared to the f22."
Well that hardly says much about the F-22 then, bettered in quite a few important areas by an aircraft that's a 'whole generation behind'(rolleyes), now that's laughable ! ...
fact remains the same, the f22 eclpises any and everything to come before it. now a rafle su-30mki, tyhoon would be a fun cage match. for budget militaries like the ones found in europe, the eurofighter will be a great value.
"fact remains the same, the f22 eclpises any and everything to come before it."
Well the same can be said for the Typhoon, it has also proven capable of achieving high kill ratios against legacy fighters in exercises, but I wouldn't bet on either fighter repeating that sort of performance against the other.
"you buy a cheap fighter like the typhoon , with no advanced technolgy and thats what you get. a lemon"
Actually it has advanced features that the F-22 lacks, for example it has what is currently the most advanced IRST on any fighter along with the most advanced helmet mounted display/cueing system, and MMI features such as direct voice input; all of which the F-22 lacks.
acutally f22 pilots wear helmets with an incorperated cuing system, come on even f15 drivers have this equipment. voice input, its not clear if the f22 has it or not but its nothing very advanced considering you could buy a hyundai with a similar interface system... iris t is a newer missle but the aim9x is not a slouch and capable of downing anything in the sky. so anyway. its not worth arguing. europe has been 10-15 years behind in technology and aerospace for a long time...
"acutally f22 pilots wear helmets with an incorperated cuing system, come on even f15 drivers have this equipment."
You would think it would be an indispensable feature on a modern fighter, but the F-22 currently lacks JHMCS or a helmet mounted cueing system of any kind.
w w w . flightglobal . com /articles/2008/07/15/225436/farnborough-2008-raptor-rocks-the-show-but-doubts . h t m l
"voice input, its not clear if the f22 has it or not but its nothing very advanced considering you could buy a hyundai with a similar interface system..."
Well there's obviously some minor differences (sarcasm intended) ... between the voice input found on a Hyundai and the system found in a multi million pound state of the art fighter; and if it's nothing very advanced then why are they planning for the F-35 to have it ?
"voice input, its not clear if the f22 has it or not"
No it doesn't, the F-22 lacks DVI although it was originally planned during development, the idea was dropped as the technology at the time was deemed to risky, apparently a DVI system based on the one being developed for the F-35 may eventually be added though.
so to recap, the f22 is far superior to the eurofighter, correct? the eurofighter is better than the f16 and the f15 for somethings and its really not clear if its better than the su-30mki or the rafle? redflag with the eurofighter and the mki should have cleared things up????
"accept maybe the rafle or maybe the mig but your close"
Realistically there isn't a mig in service today that could touch the Typhoon, but agreed, the Rafale is probably the closest match to the Typhoon as a fighter; besides the F-22 that is. ;)
"so to recap, the f22 is far superior to the eurofighter, correct?"
In terms of both technology and performance the Typhoon is comparable to the F-22, and nobody can say for certain which is superior until there actually pitted against each other.
well when you figure out when you are going to pony up the money for a proper radar, some thrust vectoring, and all the other toys that are almost mandatory on 5 gen fighters, tack on an true stealh and some upgraded avonics and you will be close. europe does not have the politcal will or expertise and money to push a 5th generation fighter through. so you have the eurofighter. its good for europe and your limited defensive needs.
I really don't believe that they are comparable. Two different planes for two different regions of the world. On strictly technology based arguement, there's nothing touching the F-22 right now.
In terms of performance, the Typhoon has it's advantages over the Raptor, especially in WVR combat. It's a very agile fighter.
"I really don't believe that they are comparable. Two different planes for two different regions of the world."
No matter how much people debate this online it's a question that can only be settled in reality, when they eventually go head to head. Nobody can say for certain how they compare right now, but the way I look at it though, at the very least the Typhoon will give the F-22 a good workout; something it clearly isn't getting by flying against F-15's and F-16's. :D
its simple europe does not have the resources be it fiscal or intellectual. why do you think eads is trying to move with such a large footprint into the united states and asia. thats where the money is. western europe has been considered a pushover for years, why try to revamp already all ready poor , untrained air forces .
Why was there no 'wet weather contingency' ?? How about clearing half of the 'static' area and use this for parking. That would have been better than cancelling the event, and I'm sure they would have done this if the queen's visit depended on it !!
I am £300 out of pocket (hotel accomodation) because of the event organizers 'woefully inadequate' approach.
It's time tthe organizers started to plan from 'car-parking' upwards and not from F16 down.
Car Parking wasn't the only issue. This were massive floods on thviewing lawns as well with overflowing drains. Type in RIAT floods on the search and watch the video that comes up. Frankly, i can't see how they even considered sunday after what it was like.
I've seen the video you mentioned. However, the weather on both Saturday and Sunday was good. As such, over flowing drains would not have been an issue.
In respect of the viewing lawns, I had already packed my wellies and would have been happy to stand in a slightly squishy fields (assuming that was not enough room on the tarmac - lol). Unlike some people, I had planned for poor weather.
its pissed me off, all that work me n ma mates did to help set it up n find out all of it was for nothing! but at least we got to see all the displays :D F-22 was good and it nearly broke the sound barrier on its final high speed past!
Me and my boyfriend attend Fairford airshow every year - this year would have been the best yet with the Airbus, F-22 and the Vulcan! WOW! what a line-up! We were SO disappointed when we heard the shows were cancelled. Cant wait for next to come round. Thanks for the Fairford crew who tried to make it happen this year.
Ive heard all the exects & buinesss men will still be going. they get to park in the vip tarmac car park. wont be no flying but they will get to see all the static. what a waste!
i was going to fiarford on saturday with my mate who had never been before. We were going by train from dartford in kent. We had made it to London Paddington when we noticed that it was cancelled on the ticker bar on the train time board to swindon. We were gutted.
RIAT is like Christmas day for me I'm gutted, I think a nice concrete strip on the airfield for the crowd (or boards)and sort out the drainage in the lower field...
It was going to one of the best shows in years as well :(
British weather is getting more intense a few heavy thundery showers and where fu!!ed lessons are being learned! We were more or less at the gate saturday when we found out it was cancelled.
I have some bad news everybody. If you havent already heard it has just been anounced that the air tattoo has been cancelled on Sunday aswell for the same reasons as Saturday. Guess we will have to wait until next year :(
Yeah that sucks. The one thing I look forward to all year...The weather in this country is beyond belief. In fact its raining as i'm typing this message lol
I had Saturday tickets, only found out completely by accident Friday night at the local pub that it was cancelled, after driving hundreds of miles! They should have mentioned that they were considering closure on the website on Friday at least. Lucky you Sunday ticket holders but that aint guaranteed till 4pm Saturday - good luck.
What local pub were you in? I went to the Red Lion, in I think Castle Eaton??? I drove down from Norfolk on Friday afternoon got a campsite, and didn't find out til Saturday morning..... Absolutely gutted!
There's a little-known campsite at the Trout Inn, Lechlade - about 10 minutes from the airfield (£7.50 per pitch). We went there after being refused entry into the Kempsford campsite (paid well over £120). Gutted!
thing is thier going to lose everything if not millions and millions they have to pay aircrews thier hotels also everyone takng part aswell and thats the reason i recon 2morrow will go on
but every one dont bank thier hopes up as this is england and the weather s never good and always SHIT
the f22 is at farnborough but only on monday which is for trade visitors only, i hope fairford goes ahead sunday i,ve got 250 miles to travel to get there, don,t fancy the disapointment!
Its STARSCREAM!!
emilesaturn199711 5 days ago
off to fairford. there is going to be 3 of them there as a role demo
thekingofthexbox360 1 year ago
Amazing how fast the gear retracted and how low too.
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ah4321 2 years ago
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cloud101strife 2 years ago
off to riat this year hope it good
DarloCrewCE 2 years ago
This aircraft is taking over the Harrier in 2012.
AdamAlim95 2 years ago
WOW, super short take off and vertical lift, I love it!
Asianboi803 2 years ago
the lightning was doing that in airshows back in the 60's......
kitedude7 2 years ago
crap, cutting the f22 is pure politics, the same politics as the bush administration.Push the f35 and dump the 22, gates is doing the same thing here, the f22 is hands down the best fighter in the world.the f35 cant begin to touch it yet obama isnt cutting the 35. no change from the last admin. the f15 is 30 yrs old. replace it with the 22 NOT the inferior 35!!!
nwtruckerll 2 years ago 9
i saw that land i was one of 7 people on ther air strip when that landed
slipyslipknot 3 years ago
i waited 10 years to go to riat and then it got rained off, can,t wait till riat 2009.
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doubledeckertaco 3 years ago
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Harvey4411 3 years ago
What do you guys think about the Typhoon against the newest Flanker? Are the Russians exagerrating it's effectivness? Because on paper that's a hell of a plane for the price. I'd be interested to see how well the Irbis radar really performs.
EarlMcCrackin 3 years ago
The Su-35, EarlMcCrackin? There's currently only one, so it's a non-issue really. If and/or when it completes flight testing, is built in any numbers, and is finally deployed, then we should speculate. Pogosyan at Sukhoi says they could build up to 200 Su-35s (at about 20/year), which in the big picture isn't really that many. Where have they publicly stated a price for it (or how much have you heard)? If Irbis lives up to its billing, it should be effective against the Typhoon. Time will tell.
4Skunky 3 years ago
"If Irbis lives up to its billing, it should be effective against the Typhoon. Time will tell."
Regardless of the whatever increased range the Irbis-E is claimed to have against reduced signature or VLO aircraft, it will also almost certainly allow any advanced RWR/ESM to passively detect the Su-35/T-10BM at even greater ranges still.
MrPikon 3 years ago
Agreed, MrPikon, that it would be folly for the Sukhoi pilot to advertise his presence to potential adversaries. But in both the case of the Typhoon and the F-22, the Sukhoi pilot wouldn't necessarily know the adversary was there (without help from ground-based radars or AWACS). The F-22's AN/ALR-94 would detect the Irbis-E easily, if the Sukhoi pilot was attempting to search such at ranges of 400km.
4Skunky 3 years ago
number one is f22, number 2 might be eurofighter might be rafale or might be a russian jet, verdict is still out
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"number one is f22, number 2 might be eurofighter might be rafale or might be a russian jet, verdict is still out"
Until they are pitted against one another in exercises, or see actual combat, the verdict is out on how any of these fighters rank (F-22 included).
MrPikon 3 years ago
shame we will never have anything but hearsay about f22 v ef engagements
doubledeckertaco 3 years ago
Irbis detection ranges are at peak power as well, EarlMcCracken, and not necessarily representative of continuous outputs. Tiffy's RCS is considerably larger than the F-22, so all else being equal, Su-35 should detect the Typhoon earlier, but how much earlier remains to be seen, as I'm not convinced Irbis has been fully shaken down (even though development has been underway for several years).
4Skunky 3 years ago
Yeah, true. Not to mention the 400km range is for 3m^2 targets. Realistically the APG-77 should be around there.
EarlMcCrackin 3 years ago
AN/APG-77 has a power advantage over Irbis-E, EarlMcCracken, so transmit range isn't an issue. It has the Irbis covered. Secondary sensors on the F-22 have ranges equivalent to Irbis-E. Additionally, Irbis has no LPI mode, so its emissions are a giveaway as to its presence. It is physically larger and heavier than AN/APG-77, but has a lower T/R module count, less advanced modules, less capable thermal management system, lower MTBF, and a moving array (moving parts to break). Close, but no cigar.
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ajona1234 3 years ago
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What use of this aircraft, when we cannot engage on anything that is hostile to our best interests??? The pilots need permission from buffoons that have no clue what to do????
Tropixxx71 3 years ago
Why the hell did it have to be canceled because the car park was muddy. DARN YOU BRITISH WEATHERRRRR
pegleg1992 3 years ago
typhoon main competition is 4th gen fighters like the rafle. both budget european fighters
doubledeckertaco 3 years ago
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"typhoon main competition is 4th gen fighters like the rafle"
The Typhoon competes not only with the Rafale, but with various fighters including the F-35 for international sales, and you seem to make a point of labelling the Rafale as '4th gen' but in Europe you will you find the Gripen, Typhoon and the F-22 also referred to as 4th Generation; whatever terminology you use the Rafale is a new generation fighter.
MrPikon 3 years ago
F-22 is a 5th gen...its not a matter of opinion and its not a matter of where you live depends on what its labeled...Its a matter of capabilities and features..do your research.
blair9123 3 years ago 2
-"F-22 is a 5th gen..."
Hell, even this RAF exchange pilot says it is:
youtube. com/watch?v=vZ-Mfd6K6CI
But then, maybe he too is a "sucker" for LockMart's "propaganda"... Maybe we should all believe the Pikon's BS instead of this _RAF_ pilot.
*rollseyes*
em745aa 3 years ago
Dan Robinson must be part of a secret USAF brainwashing program, em745aa. How else could we explain his comments? Could it be that his comments are both his own AND true? And why would the RAF let such a video be posted on their website?
4Skunky 3 years ago
-"And why would the RAF let such a video be posted on their website?"
There can only be one reason: The RAF is in on it too. :)
em745aa 3 years ago
"Could it be that his comments are both his own AND true? And why would the RAF let such a video be posted on their website?"
No doubt it is his own opinion, why would the RAF want to censor the views of their pilots ? ...
His opinion on the F-22 is crystal clear, but it will be very interesting to see if it remains the same once he's actually flown the Typhoon; or flown against it. ;)
MrPikon 3 years ago
General John P Jumper is the 'only' person known to have piloted 'both' the Typhoon 'and' F-22, and being the USAF's Chief of Staff it would have been a bit tricky to censor his comments (:D) but they certainly seemed to contradict the notion that the F-22 is a whole generation more advanced than the Typhoon -
"Despite being designed for different missions, General Jumper said the Eurofighter and the Raptor are equally high-tech aircraft."
w w w . af . mil /news/story . asp ? id=123010102
MrPikon 3 years ago
Another excerpt from the same interview, again referring to the Typhoon and F-22 -
"the two aircraft are running neck-and-neck, but America must always be vigilant to ensure it stays on the cutting edge of aviation technology."
"You can see the technology that is out there compared with ours, you see the avionics and all of the great progress that has been made. You make sure you are not too complacent, because the technology that they have is very competitive with technology that we have."
MrPikon 3 years ago
Implicit in the quotes you cite, MrPikon, is the fact that the US has the technology lead. Jumper warns against complacency (viewed from the point of superiority), lest the advantage dwindle or disappear. Eurofighter used to claim on its own website (a fact we've discussed before) that the F-22 was superior in most aspects (a startling admission to me). They've since changed their marketing strategy, but never have gone so far as to contradict their previous statements.
4Skunky 3 years ago
"Implicit in the quotes you cite, MrPikon, is the fact that the US has the technology lead"
I suggest taking another read -
"the two aircraft are running neck-and-neck"
So according to the Gen jumper the two are 'neck-and-neck'. In a race, if one competitor has a clear lead and crosses the finish line ahead of the other competitor would you say that the two competitors are 'neck-and-neck' ?
Where I come from 'neck-and-neck' means so close that the difference is virtually indeterminable. ;)
MrPikon 3 years ago
"Jumper warns against complacency (viewed from the point of superiority), lest the advantage dwindle or disappear."
"but America must always be vigilant to ensure it stays on the cutting edge of aviation technology"
And the F-22 is at the cutting edge of aviation technology, but of course as the rest of Gen Jumper's statement confers, more than one nation can be at the cutting edge of aviation technology; a concept it seems a lot of people commenting here can't quite grasp ...
MrPikon 3 years ago
"Eurofighter used to claim on its own website (a fact we've discussed before) that the F-22 was superior in most aspects (a startling admission to me)."
If you mean the official site then 'yes', Eurofighter still do say on there website that in the air superiority/dominance role the F-22 is the more capable aircraft, which is probably true, but as yet unproven of course. The nice little animated chart on the same page there also shows that Typhoon has a better cost/performance ratio though. ;)
MrPikon 3 years ago
The animation's new since I last visited their site, MrPikon, but it doesn't qualify or quantify how they arrive at their costs (flyaway, weapons' system, etc.). Without knowing, and without numbers to judge, it should be taken with the proverbial grain of salt. The flyaway cost, on the diagram below the one you cite, is equally vague, since no monetary units are expressed. Today's F-22 flyaway is $137.467 million? What's claim for the Typhoon? I'd read 70 million pounds ($136.934 million USD).
4Skunky 3 years ago
Do you know to what extent Jumper tested each platform's limits, MrPikon? Without that, it's hard to know the context in which your quotes were made. Political motivations may have also influenced the General's commentary.
4Skunky 3 years ago
"Do you know to what extent Jumper tested each platform's limits"
Did Dan Robinson push the Typhoon to it's limits before making his statement ? ...
General Jumper is the only person known to have flown 'both' aircraft, and as the USAF Chief of Staff at that time General Jumper would have been fully aware of the F-22's capabilities and features. He was perhaps less aware of the Typhoon's potential but still felt he had seen enough to comment that they were 'running neck-and-neck'. ;)
MrPikon 3 years ago
I don't ever recall saying that Lt. Robinson had flown the Typhoon, MrPikon. In his previous RAF assignment, he was an F-3 Tornado pilot with combat experience in Iraq. From what I understand, Jumper never experienced the F-22's max capabilities, although he should be aware of them as you state. I can't speak to his Typhoon experiences, as can nobody else posting on YouTube I suspect. His comments are vague in many respects as to how the platforms match up, thus all the varying interpretations.
4Skunky 3 years ago
"I don't ever recall saying that Lt. Robinson had flown the Typhoon, MrPikon."
No, and I wasn't suggesting that you did. :)
MrPikon 3 years ago
"Political motivations may have also influenced the General's commentary."
Oh, come on 4Skunky, it would be easy to suggest that a similar motive 'may' have been behind Dan Robinson comments, he is after all the only pilot from the RAF to fly the USAF's most advanced fighter, even if he had hated the plane I'm sure that he would have been obliged be complementary of it anyway. (rolleyes) ...
MrPikon 3 years ago
... Of course Dan Robinson's comments go beyond just being complementary for the sake of politeness, that much is obvious, and I think he genuinely loves the plane; which is hardly surprising I suppose. :)
MrPikon 3 years ago
In the same way, Gen Jumpers comments leave little to the imagination, he says that the F-22 and Typhoon are 'equally high-tech aircraft', if this was all just for the purpose of politically back patting an ally then why not just make an ambiguous but still complementary statement about the plane ? e.g. 'the Typhoon is a fine fighter' ? ...
MrPikon 3 years ago
C. Todd Lopez of the USAF, attributes to General Jumper the statement that the two planes are "equally high-tech", MrPikon, but he isn't quoting the General directly, and nowhere does the original article say the two platforms are equals. The article does say Jumper had "familiarization flights" in both planes, but that's the extent of the claim. Jumper also says the F-22 "can maneuver with the best of them if it has to", referring to the F-22's capabilities versus other fighters.
4Skunky 3 years ago
"C. Todd Lopez of the USAF, attributes to General Jumper the statement that the two planes are "equally high-tech", MrPikon, but he isn't quoting the General directly"
If Lopez was not quoting General Jumper directly then would it not be untrue to say "General Jumper said", if in fact General Jumper didn't say anything of the sort ?, and if it isn't a direct quote, and Lopez's wording completly misrepresents the General's original point then why did the USAF allow it to be published ? ;)
MrPikon 3 years ago
I don't know if Lopez was paraphrasing or summarizing Jumper's thoughts, MrPikon. I do know some statements were placed in quotes, and others like the 'equally high-tech' were not. I don't know his intent or the context from which the statement was derived. I'm just taking it as it was written.
4Skunky 3 years ago
mr pikon, you go in circles with people. the f22 is far better than the eurofighter, now go away
doubledeckertaco 3 years ago 6
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"mr pikon, you go in circles with people. the f22 is far better than the eurofighter, now go away "
Going in circles with people ? your the one replying to comments I made six months ago with the same old predictable trolling. (rollseyes) ...
MrPikon 3 years ago
Of course it's political back patting. Yes they're equally sophisticated but with completely different roles. The Typhoon is more versatile and more impressive in Air-Ground capabilities. But in Air-Air there's no doubt the F-22 is currently the most impressive fighter to date. All it needs is an HMD update and it's about as good as it gets. Obviously that's a simplified answer (this is you tube) but I don't see why you insist on comparing them. If anything the F-35 is a better comparison.
EarlMcCrackin 3 years ago
Reading a little much into my comments, MrPikon? Political motivations, as the desire for Congress to keep funding the Raptor, implying that others could build aircraft that could threaten future US air dominance if the service didn't receive what it felt it needed (there were some rough political times in 2004/2005). That's one plausible political motivation. In his position, Jumper obviously shouldn't tip his hand, and should try to seek as many Raptors as he feels the USAF needs.
4Skunky 3 years ago
"Political motivations, as the desire for Congress to keep funding the Raptor, implying that others could build aircraft that could threaten future US air dominance if the service didn't receive what it felt it needed (there were some rough political times in 2004/2005). That's one plausible political motivation."
4Skunky, Is it really that inconceivable that Jumper was just giving his honest opinion about both aircraft, and was genuinely very impressed with the Typhoon ? ....
MrPikon 3 years ago
Not inconceivable, MrPikon, but as I said, much in his statements is vague, so it's a little hard to assess. Jumper has lots of flying time under his belt, but very little in either aircraft (his time in both planes described as "familiarization flights", FWIW). The amount of time in each wouldn't seem to qualify him to thoroughly assess the full capabilities. Maybe more like first impressions of each would be a more accurate description.
4Skunky 3 years ago
"... combination of stealth, supercruise, unrivalled manauverability, you know; fantastic avionics, all of this contribute to
really make the F-22 unique, and the only fifth generation fighter in the world really"
I hope I transcribed Flt Lt Dan Robinson's comment correctly ...
MrPikon 3 years ago
... So ignoring the Typhoon for a minute, where does that leave the F-35 then ? which will lack the ability to Supercruise and is projected to have manoeuvrability equal to that of the F-16. It will lack what both Lockheed and it seems also Dan Robinson consider to be defining characteristics of a '5th Generation' aircraft; hmmmmm ...
MrPikon 3 years ago
"But then, maybe he too is a "sucker" for LockMart's "propaganda"..."
Your suggestion not mine ! LOL
Pilots 'are' of course well known for being completly impartial and unbiased about the planes that they fly. ;) ...
Gp Capt Stuart Atha commenting on the Typhoon -
"It's the new Spitfire. It's in a league of its own"
w w w . telegraph . co . uk /news/uknews/1550056/Typhoon-delivers-the-fright-stuff . h t m l
;)
MrPikon 3 years ago
"both budget european fighters"
Both are inexpensive considering the capabilities they offer, or in comparison to the stellar cost of the F-22, but there's only one budget European fighter and that's the Gripen.
MrPikon 3 years ago
sorry its not eurofighter that makes it!! it is a group of 4 european countries making a fighter aircraft therefore eurofighter anyway back to the video, looks an awesome plane but the typhoon would still beat it anyday!!
emmabrown200 3 years ago
In your wildest dreams sport
shooter486 3 years ago 3
Not very likely that the Typhoon would beat the F-22, on ANY day emmabrown200. Typhoon is a capable aircraft, but not on par with the F-22.
EGandGMan 3 years ago
i was there next to the reds cus im a cadet :D
fsx93 3 years ago
omg lucky! I so badly wanted to see the f22 ;(
blooptbloo 3 years ago
Oh oke, thanks for the answer.
Nice Video, FULL POWER !! :D
MitchellvdBerg 3 years ago
Why did it flew its demo?
I tought that both days were canceld?
MitchellvdBerg 3 years ago
As a Brit this is quite possibly the only thing that could beat a typhoon in a dogfight!
Dryden0853 3 years ago
As an American, I agree. But John P Jumper (the only man to fly both the Typhoon and Raptor) said they're both on a pretty much even par with one another, they're just two different kinds of planes, desgined to do two different kinds of missions. The Typhoon is awsome in a dogfight, whereas the raptor could hold its own in a dog fight with outstanding transient performance, but is built to hit threats far out. They typhoon can do that too, although seemingly not as well as the raptor.
odessaboy 3 years ago
-"As an American, I agree. But John P Jumper (the only man to fly both the Typhoon and Raptor) said they're both on a pretty much even par with one another"
Bear in mind that Jumper's commentary (have you read ALL of it?) was made years ago, and I doubt he flew both planes in the same manner as we've seen on these YouTube vids.
em745aa 3 years ago
"Bear in mind that Jumper's commentary (have you read ALL of it?) was made years ago, and I doubt he flew both planes in the same manner as we've seen on these YouTube vids."
Your right, this was back in 2005 when both aircraft had barely reached IOC, and he only took the Typhoon on a brief familiarisation flight, so if anything you would think that as the USAF Chief of Staff he should have been more aware of the F-22's capabilities.
MrPikon 3 years ago
Perhaps, and I doubt he really put either plane through the extensive transient performance tests that the test pilots do, but still, you'd think he is pretty familiar with both planes.
odessaboy 3 years ago
I have read the whole comment, and I doubt that Jumper put the planes through the paces a test pilot does, but I believe his statement to have credibility given his access to information.
odessaboy 3 years ago
Take that, Sukhoi!
sunac 3 years ago 2
It's definetly a big, heavy fighter which is honestly an advantage in the bigger picture. More fuel and a bigger radar. Plus It still manages to keep a T/W ratio higher than 1.
EarlMcCrackin 3 years ago
Yeah... saw it from the campsite on Friday. Impressive display but not nearly as nimble as the Typhoon.
thevegetarian 3 years ago
The Raptor could literally fly circles around the Typhoon.
RaptorguyTx3 3 years ago 3
Yeah it could... it would take the whole to a full turn while the Typhoon would turn on a coin without using it's afterburners.
I agree with mathersa.
thevegetarian 3 years ago
-"I agree with mathersa."
Wow, two Brits agreeing with each other that the EF is better? Call Ripley's!
em745aa 3 years ago
Did you seriously just say that? haha
lacrossemid26 3 years ago
Very long takeoff run compared to the Typhoon. Apart from the backflip a very lumbering display requiring full afterburner - are we sure this lump of lead can supercruise?
mathersa 3 years ago
LOL. The Raptor might have the shortest takeoff distance of any fighter right now. That was the long roll out where they gain speed to do the sharp climb.
And according to pilots it has no problems supercruising at Mach 1.7.
JKFrazier 3 years ago
"are we sure this lump of lead can supercruise"
All aircraft look like lumps of lead at low altitude, even the Typhoon. You forget, "mach speed is relative at different altitudes." Let's see your EF try and keep up with this at 50 000 ft MSL past Mach 1.2 - without burners.
Besides, that takeoff roll was long on purpose, to build up momentum for the vertical maneuver. Even an EF driver would have done the same.
RingSight91 3 years ago
-"Let's see your EF try and keep up with this at 50 000 ft MSL past Mach 1.2 - without burners."
And don't forget that "draggy" missile load. ;)
em745aa 3 years ago
LOL id like to see a Tyhpoon take off in that distance straight into a verticle climb.
m33pstah 3 years ago
"LOL id like to see a Tyhpoon take off in that distance straight into a verticle climb."
The Typhoon can take-off in 7 seconds flat, using just 900 ft of runway, the F-22 on the other hand takes 10 seconds and needs just over 1000ft of runway, so both have great STOL performance but the Typhoon has the F-22 beat in that respect. Also the F-22 on this clip didn't climb immediately after takeoff, it had a run-up first. ;)
MrPikon 3 years ago
I would like to see the F-22 take-off in this distance/time and climb as soon as it's airborne; with no run-up ! :P LOL -
JI7dhAtaLGU
mPOOldlZymw @ 0:36
MrPikon 3 years ago
the typhoon is a whole generation behind the f22. its performance is downright laughable compared to the f22. get a life. you buy a cheap fighter like the typhoon , with no advanced technolgy and thats what you get. a lemon
doubledeckertaco 3 years ago
"the typhoon is a whole generation behind the f22. its performance is downright laughable compared to the f22."
Well that hardly says much about the F-22 then, bettered in quite a few important areas by an aircraft that's a 'whole generation behind'(rolleyes), now that's laughable ! ...
MrPikon 3 years ago
fact remains the same, the f22 eclpises any and everything to come before it. now a rafle su-30mki, tyhoon would be a fun cage match. for budget militaries like the ones found in europe, the eurofighter will be a great value.
doubledeckertaco 3 years ago
"fact remains the same, the f22 eclpises any and everything to come before it."
Well the same can be said for the Typhoon, it has also proven capable of achieving high kill ratios against legacy fighters in exercises, but I wouldn't bet on either fighter repeating that sort of performance against the other.
MrPikon 3 years ago
"you buy a cheap fighter like the typhoon , with no advanced technolgy and thats what you get. a lemon"
Actually it has advanced features that the F-22 lacks, for example it has what is currently the most advanced IRST on any fighter along with the most advanced helmet mounted display/cueing system, and MMI features such as direct voice input; all of which the F-22 lacks.
MrPikon 3 years ago
acutally f22 pilots wear helmets with an incorperated cuing system, come on even f15 drivers have this equipment. voice input, its not clear if the f22 has it or not but its nothing very advanced considering you could buy a hyundai with a similar interface system... iris t is a newer missle but the aim9x is not a slouch and capable of downing anything in the sky. so anyway. its not worth arguing. europe has been 10-15 years behind in technology and aerospace for a long time...
doubledeckertaco 3 years ago
"acutally f22 pilots wear helmets with an incorperated cuing system, come on even f15 drivers have this equipment."
You would think it would be an indispensable feature on a modern fighter, but the F-22 currently lacks JHMCS or a helmet mounted cueing system of any kind.
w w w . flightglobal . com /articles/2008/07/15/225436/farnborough-2008-raptor-rocks-the-show-but-doubts . h t m l
MrPikon 3 years ago
"voice input, its not clear if the f22 has it or not but its nothing very advanced considering you could buy a hyundai with a similar interface system..."
Well there's obviously some minor differences (sarcasm intended) ... between the voice input found on a Hyundai and the system found in a multi million pound state of the art fighter; and if it's nothing very advanced then why are they planning for the F-35 to have it ?
MrPikon 3 years ago
"voice input, its not clear if the f22 has it or not"
No it doesn't, the F-22 lacks DVI although it was originally planned during development, the idea was dropped as the technology at the time was deemed to risky, apparently a DVI system based on the one being developed for the F-35 may eventually be added though.
MrPikon 3 years ago
so to recap, the f22 is far superior to the eurofighter, correct? the eurofighter is better than the f16 and the f15 for somethings and its really not clear if its better than the su-30mki or the rafle? redflag with the eurofighter and the mki should have cleared things up????
doubledeckertaco 3 years ago
typhoon is superior to everything except the raptor
englishandproud1991 3 years ago
accept maybe the rafle or maybe the mig but your close
doubledeckertaco 3 years ago
"accept maybe the rafle or maybe the mig but your close"
Realistically there isn't a mig in service today that could touch the Typhoon, but agreed, the Rafale is probably the closest match to the Typhoon as a fighter; besides the F-22 that is. ;)
MrPikon 3 years ago
"so to recap, the f22 is far superior to the eurofighter, correct?"
In terms of both technology and performance the Typhoon is comparable to the F-22, and nobody can say for certain which is superior until there actually pitted against each other.
MrPikon 3 years ago
well when you figure out when you are going to pony up the money for a proper radar, some thrust vectoring, and all the other toys that are almost mandatory on 5 gen fighters, tack on an true stealh and some upgraded avonics and you will be close. europe does not have the politcal will or expertise and money to push a 5th generation fighter through. so you have the eurofighter. its good for europe and your limited defensive needs.
doubledeckertaco 3 years ago
I really don't believe that they are comparable. Two different planes for two different regions of the world. On strictly technology based arguement, there's nothing touching the F-22 right now.
In terms of performance, the Typhoon has it's advantages over the Raptor, especially in WVR combat. It's a very agile fighter.
JKFrazier 3 years ago 3
"I really don't believe that they are comparable. Two different planes for two different regions of the world."
No matter how much people debate this online it's a question that can only be settled in reality, when they eventually go head to head. Nobody can say for certain how they compare right now, but the way I look at it though, at the very least the Typhoon will give the F-22 a good workout; something it clearly isn't getting by flying against F-15's and F-16's. :D
MrPikon 3 years ago
"On strictly technology based arguement, there's nothing touching the F-22 right now."
JKFrazier, What technologies are you referring to specifically ? ...
MrPikon 3 years ago
'Typhoon' not Eurofighter. Eurofighter is the main company that makes it.
gus33 3 years ago 2
its simple europe does not have the resources be it fiscal or intellectual. why do you think eads is trying to move with such a large footprint into the united states and asia. thats where the money is. western europe has been considered a pushover for years, why try to revamp already all ready poor , untrained air forces .
doubledeckertaco 3 years ago
The capabilities of this plane are simply staggering, saw the video of it on the news and it's great to see it from another angle here.
That climb just blows me away, it almost looks like what it's doing is physically impossible.
waydeewaydee 3 years ago
Is it possible to see its departure on the Park&View on monday?
DX02030425 3 years ago
What a sham !!
Why was there no 'wet weather contingency' ?? How about clearing half of the 'static' area and use this for parking. That would have been better than cancelling the event, and I'm sure they would have done this if the queen's visit depended on it !!
I am £300 out of pocket (hotel accomodation) because of the event organizers 'woefully inadequate' approach.
It's time tthe organizers started to plan from 'car-parking' upwards and not from F16 down.
markb2908 3 years ago
Car Parking wasn't the only issue. This were massive floods on thviewing lawns as well with overflowing drains. Type in RIAT floods on the search and watch the video that comes up. Frankly, i can't see how they even considered sunday after what it was like.
07edwardluckett 3 years ago
I've seen the video you mentioned. However, the weather on both Saturday and Sunday was good. As such, over flowing drains would not have been an issue.
In respect of the viewing lawns, I had already packed my wellies and would have been happy to stand in a slightly squishy fields (assuming that was not enough room on the tarmac - lol). Unlike some people, I had planned for poor weather.
markb2908 3 years ago
iv seen the F-22 fly at mach 1.7! Side ways!!!
peejaa 3 years ago
Great vide0 ! ★★★★★ stars !
RUNyourCARwithWATER 3 years ago
its pissed me off, all that work me n ma mates did to help set it up n find out all of it was for nothing! but at least we got to see all the displays :D F-22 was good and it nearly broke the sound barrier on its final high speed past!
UKtonyUK 3 years ago
Very dissapointing, first cancellation for 38yrs! I hope the weathers good for Farnborough....fingers crossed
pjholl 3 years ago
I live 10 miles from fairford and i get to see everything for free.
kaedroho 3 years ago 2
Me and my boyfriend attend Fairford airshow every year - this year would have been the best yet with the Airbus, F-22 and the Vulcan! WOW! what a line-up! We were SO disappointed when we heard the shows were cancelled. Cant wait for next to come round. Thanks for the Fairford crew who tried to make it happen this year.
ritaflowers 3 years ago
Ive heard all the exects & buinesss men will still be going. they get to park in the vip tarmac car park. wont be no flying but they will get to see all the static. what a waste!
startrigg 3 years ago
i was going to fiarford on saturday with my mate who had never been before. We were going by train from dartford in kent. We had made it to London Paddington when we noticed that it was cancelled on the ticker bar on the train time board to swindon. We were gutted.
joeduckworth 3 years ago
Wow. The weather's a-changin' folks. At least Farnborough hasn't been shut down, yet...
EarlMcCrackin 3 years ago
after viewing the participation list id say it would be the best show ever
englishandproud1991 3 years ago
RIAT is like Christmas day for me I'm gutted, I think a nice concrete strip on the airfield for the crowd (or boards)and sort out the drainage in the lower field...
It was going to one of the best shows in years as well :(
bommaz 3 years ago
i cnt believe RIAT got cancelled both days :O.
I went to Flying Legends at Duxford n they announced that some of the coaches tha were goin 2 RIAT were goin 2 Duxford instead lol. It was packed.
jimbob1194 3 years ago
British weather is getting more intense a few heavy thundery showers and where fu!!ed lessons are being learned! We were more or less at the gate saturday when we found out it was cancelled.
SNAKEBITE197 3 years ago
I have some bad news everybody. If you havent already heard it has just been anounced that the air tattoo has been cancelled on Sunday aswell for the same reasons as Saturday. Guess we will have to wait until next year :(
stuartmw 3 years ago
Yeah that sucks. The one thing I look forward to all year...The weather in this country is beyond belief. In fact its raining as i'm typing this message lol
guysanders 3 years ago
Great , Its Cancelled For Sunday =[
AshOxley17 3 years ago
I had Saturday tickets, only found out completely by accident Friday night at the local pub that it was cancelled, after driving hundreds of miles! They should have mentioned that they were considering closure on the website on Friday at least. Lucky you Sunday ticket holders but that aint guaranteed till 4pm Saturday - good luck.
alanstarkie2001 3 years ago
What local pub were you in? I went to the Red Lion, in I think Castle Eaton??? I drove down from Norfolk on Friday afternoon got a campsite, and didn't find out til Saturday morning..... Absolutely gutted!
blackwatchuk 3 years ago
There's a little-known campsite at the Trout Inn, Lechlade - about 10 minutes from the airfield (£7.50 per pitch). We went there after being refused entry into the Kempsford campsite (paid well over £120). Gutted!
alanstarkie2001 3 years ago
Fuk Sake - Hope They Dont Cancell Sunday , You Will Know Today At 4Pm , Good Job I Dint Buy Saturday Tickets,
AshOxley17 3 years ago
thing is thier going to lose everything if not millions and millions they have to pay aircrews thier hotels also everyone takng part aswell and thats the reason i recon 2morrow will go on
but every one dont bank thier hopes up as this is england and the weather s never good and always SHIT
carpcrew2006 3 years ago
the f22 is at farnborough but only on monday which is for trade visitors only, i hope fairford goes ahead sunday i,ve got 250 miles to travel to get there, don,t fancy the disapointment!
st8vieg 3 years ago
Would the last two posters mind re-posting their comments? I really had a difficult time trying to understand what was being said. Thanks! Cheers-
gigisup 3 years ago
im gutted its cancelled was have way up there when it came on the radio. i was really looking forward to seeing this and the vulcan.
accez24 3 years ago
hay hold your horses still may be on sunday they are letting us now on saturday at 4pm
got up there earler everywhere bogged dissapointing but if show is cancelled get up there for departures on monday HAY HAVE FAITH ITS NOT OVER YET
carpcrew2006 3 years ago
i hope the F 22 will be @ Farnborough as RIAT is off
R1ch126 3 years ago
Would've loved to have seen this. Can't now, the airshow is cancelled.
wooner69 3 years ago
Beast! , Cant Wait To Watch The F-22 , :D
AshOxley17 3 years ago