There was a breakdown from WITHIN the church as well as from WITHOUT the church. The apostles and priesthood holders of the original church were put to death and by the time John was exiled the Apostacy was already taking shape.
That's what was meant by "wolves entering the flock" men with evil agendas to get personal gain unto themselves. This was prior to 100AD.
I just want to thank the owner of this video, lazbo4174, for presenting himself in an open and logical manner. Too frequently do people bring themselves to shouting, name calling, and other nonsense over the ideologies of religion. Above all, respect every individuals right to worship who/how they please, you don't have to agree with it, but you should at least grant the respect deserved. Again, thanks to the owner of this video for conducting himself in a fitting manner.
the word trinity is not Biblical in origin and does predate Christianity as you stated. the word trinity is not used in Scripture the word that is used in the New Testament is θεότης theotēs which translates Godhead and in the Old Testament אלהים' ĕlôhîym which translates God or Lord
It's a house of cards that has been threatened by each wind of truth. I am not opposed to corporate worship or community; however, God's presence does not validate a specific religion.
I shrugged off the shackles of religion many years ago.
The reason for the many different pagan beliefs that are in the gospels is because of the Roman Empire, and the Hellenistic, when the empire first started out in 900bce,and spread out, they absorbed many beliefs and rituls along the way, this is not a coincidence, this is common sense! especially knowing that around Jesus'Time the population was a little over 90%pagan, for more info go to:
Christianity, especially Roman Catholocism, has it's roots in the Eqyptian religion, and shares many dates, characters, stories and rituals in common. Indeed one could trace the Egyptian religion's roots as well. Because all religious writings are simply the written handing down of the same set of stories, over and over again. Various sects of Christianity have incorporated many aspects of Paganism because it evolved from the same root, IMHO. Look at Catholics and idol worship, for example.
i agree with you for the most part, especially your last statement, but i do believe true Christianity, which is an extention of true Judaism, to be the true religion
Satan knew of the coming birth of the true Messiah and created counterfeits before and after to confuse and deceive those of weak faith and little charactor, to worship him in darkness. Christ was a God, one of our Gods-the workman, our creator God and he will only ask us so many times to come to him. We are free moral agents with the right to do our own will and the choice is up to us alone to decide if we were created or happened by chance and there is nothing to the prophecies and our world.
Dude, you're too much. You say you think the devil has infiltrated the church..do you know where you get the concept OF the devil? Paganism! Do your research pal ;)
AtheistSeeker... modern Christianity's concept of the Devil is more often than not wrong this is maybe due to the fact that they borrowed the concept from paganism as you have stated. thankyou for your comment
When I first heard the lie that the Christian faith was based on earlier pagan religions it almost destroyed my faith in Jesus Christ. This was about 4 months before I came to the Advenist church.
It took a dream from God to restore my faith in Him. I was basically told that when the Roman Empire became "Christian" that they gave Christian names to their pagan Gods.
have u also been told that an angel wrote the ten commandments and eating certain foods will send u too hell and worshiping on sunday will get u the mark of the beast and using certain shampoo will keep u from getting ur prayers too God and u can only have friends outside sda for conversion reasons only yet? i had a roommate for over 3 yrs that was/is an sda and he let me in on all of this.
Jesus Christ who is called an Angel(but he is not a created being) in certain places of the Bible did speak and write the 10 commandments at mount Horeb and everything that is made is made by Jesus Christ. The Bible says those who eat unclean meats and don't repent are headed for hell-fire. Bible says I should have no fellowship with those outside my faith.
i am not bing i am my own person. u have really lost it. o wait no u haven't ur an sda u can justify anything as long as it fits ur cult ideas of the dead woman u worship. u show me in the bible where it says if u eat unclean meats ur going too hell. the only thing i have seen is if u not born again u can not enter the kingdom of God (john 3:3,7)
Isa 66:17 They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one [tree] in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.
Lev 7:21 Moreover the soul that shall touch any unclean [thing, as] the uncleanness of man, or [any] unclean beast, or any abominable unclean [thing], and eat of the flesh of the sacrifice of peace offerings, which [pertain] unto the LORD, even that soul shall be cut off from his people.
that is OT laws they were nailed too the cross when Jesus said Telestai. i know because of grace of God i have been saved on mothers day 1982. That was the day i knew when i die i will be going too heaven, because of John 3:3,7. What day were u saved on?
Gen 7:2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that [are] not clean by two, the male and his female. 3 Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth.
He died to be the ultimate sacrifice not too be an angel. no angel dies and comes back too life. i know ur taught that one is still being saved even though the bible says too see the kingdom of God u must be born again John 3:3,7
You may be currently born again but that doesn't take away your free-will to walk away from Jesus and be lost. Bible says I die daily. We must make an effort everyday to cruicifly the old man and self.
Have you been to heaven yet? Then you are not saved yet but are being saved. Paul goes over this saved but not saved yet concept though his letters in the Bible.
Jesus is not an angel, correct. But the Bible does call Him an Angel. Angel means messagener. According to Revelation 1 my pastor is an angel.
Gen 22:15 And the angel of the LORD called unto Abraham out of heaven the second time,
Exd 3:2 And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush [was] not consumed.
From John 1:1-3, 14 this 'angel of the Lord' is Jesus Christ.
Cont) The angel of the Lord is also known as the captain of the Lord's host in Josh 5:14-15.
This 'captain' receives and accepts worship from Joshua and the ground he was standing on was holy ground. Only God can make something or someplace holy.
I came to Jesus Christ in April 2006 and was baptised into His remnant April 28th 2007.
I am being saved(present tense) and so are you(if indeed you are in Christ?). It is presumptious of us to say we are saved.
And by the way we don't worship Mrs. White. She is just a prophet of God who wrote over 300 books for us. If you don't want to call her a prophet then fine. Just treat as you would any commentator on the Bible. Actually I bet you never read any of her books have you?
if she wrote for christians how come there not everywhere? i have read the early writtings the gift of prophecys where she calls sunday worshipers have the mark of the beast and if u eat unclean meats u can't get too heaven. u came too Christ or got saved in ap. 06? anyone can come to Christ anytime. we are not being saved currently we either r saved or not John 3:3,7
Because the devil's plan is outlined in these books. Satan must keep Christians in the dark.
She also says that nobody currently has the Mark of the Beast. Nobody has the mark until it is enforced. The Sunday law is a last resort of the devil. He knows that the Sunday law brings about the last plagues and the end of his rule, the end of this age so why do something that will cause his dectruction?
(cont) Unless he is forced to because God pours out the latter rain on his people?
Anyone who works on the 7th day Sabbath breaks the commanments of God(unless he is in the service of God or is performing vital services like looking after the sick and helpless) and will receive the Mark of the Beast because they reject God's holy Sabbath and chose the pagan false sabbath of the world which is Sunday.
Rev 21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither [whatsoever] worketh abomination, or [maketh] a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.
Rev. 12:17 Describes a people called the "ramnant"-those who remain loyal to God, who keep His Commandments in the last days. I want to add 1 more thing. If you love God then obey His Words. It is so beautiful to be 1 with Christ. We serve a awesome God.
AYOu're dead on the money brother. Satan has indeed tried to corrupt Christianity. Such as the coptic texts of the 1-3 centuries which were blatant attempts to distort and cause doubt, disrupting faith. Good points.
So many nations, ppl, tribes, families and individuals are suffering from the curses of their ancestors and adding curses to this process up till the present day, till the fulness of time, When YHWH decides it has been enough. Rev. 6: 16,17, "And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lam; for the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?" Bless
Actually all nations etc. All have fallen from grace; Rom.3:23,24 'For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God (YHWH); being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus/Yahoshua.'
The collective memory of humankind as to the days of Creation and the true Creator YHWH, is severly degenerated, as part of the original sin. Truth perverted, twisted, prophecies incorrect interpreted, not to the Glory of the Creator but to enhance the ego of man and women into roles of false gods & goddesses alike. Multiplied over the centuries and generations.
lazbo4174,
Plz watch the videos under my favorites and you can see allot of evidence that the universal church would totally apostasize.
Anything done by TheBackyard Professor should really interest you.
Good Luck
TrueChurchLDS 3 years ago
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There was a breakdown from WITHIN the church as well as from WITHOUT the church. The apostles and priesthood holders of the original church were put to death and by the time John was exiled the Apostacy was already taking shape.
That's what was meant by "wolves entering the flock" men with evil agendas to get personal gain unto themselves. This was prior to 100AD.
2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 is clear!
Acts 3:21
Revelations 14:6-7
FAIRLDSdotORG
TrueChurchLDS 3 years ago
I just want to thank the owner of this video, lazbo4174, for presenting himself in an open and logical manner. Too frequently do people bring themselves to shouting, name calling, and other nonsense over the ideologies of religion. Above all, respect every individuals right to worship who/how they please, you don't have to agree with it, but you should at least grant the respect deserved. Again, thanks to the owner of this video for conducting himself in a fitting manner.
graizer281 3 years ago
grazier281... I would like to thank you for your encouraging words my friend. I pray that you are richly blessed
Thanks
Mark (lazbo4174)
lazbo4174 3 years ago
Christianity is a fusion of pagan beliefs, particularly Horus, Isis and mystery cults like Mythraism.
The writing of stories that we call "Gospels" predates christinaity by as much as 200 years.
When Constantine created Christianity he encouraged the burning of all of the non-canonocial gospels.
Christianity was created by Constantine and his courtiers to fuse Rome under one religion.
Christianity is a re-branding of pagan stories, none of the Biblical stories are unique to christianity.
DefaultPosition 3 years ago
The doctrine of Trinity predates Christianity. In fact here is verbage you won't even find in the Bible.
Consider: trinity, triune, God the son, God the Holy Ghost, light from light, very God from very God,
And in church history people who refused this doctrine were put to death. Today, they are lampooned right out of fellowship.
That's ABSURD!
Spiritual dogmatism is the bane of humanity; fanaticism is the brother of doubt.
bestliferob 3 years ago
the word trinity is not Biblical in origin and does predate Christianity as you stated. the word trinity is not used in Scripture the word that is used in the New Testament is θεότης theotēs which translates Godhead and in the Old Testament אלהים' ĕlôhîym which translates God or Lord
lazbo4174 3 years ago
It's a house of cards that has been threatened by each wind of truth. I am not opposed to corporate worship or community; however, God's presence does not validate a specific religion.
I shrugged off the shackles of religion many years ago.
bestliferob 3 years ago
true religion is a good thing my friend... James 1:27
lazbo4174 3 years ago
And maybe James is speaking of something good OUTSIDE of our existing religious institutions.
Anyway, happy TESHUVAH!
bestliferob 3 years ago
I suggest watching the videos about the council of Nicea as it pertains to the TRINITY.
The Modern views of Christianity does NOT reflect the views of the apostles nor does it reflect the views of the first Jews.
The Backyard Professor uses texts and references. I happen to be learning Hebrew from him.
good luck
FAIRLDSdotORG
TrueChurchLDS 3 years ago
The reason for the many different pagan beliefs that are in the gospels is because of the Roman Empire, and the Hellenistic, when the empire first started out in 900bce,and spread out, they absorbed many beliefs and rituls along the way, this is not a coincidence, this is common sense! especially knowing that around Jesus'Time the population was a little over 90%pagan, for more info go to:
myspace. com/zeruaj
go to my blog section for more info.
Peace & Love to everyone of you.
karotistik 3 years ago
Christianity, especially Roman Catholocism, has it's roots in the Eqyptian religion, and shares many dates, characters, stories and rituals in common. Indeed one could trace the Egyptian religion's roots as well. Because all religious writings are simply the written handing down of the same set of stories, over and over again. Various sects of Christianity have incorporated many aspects of Paganism because it evolved from the same root, IMHO. Look at Catholics and idol worship, for example.
mouseturbator 3 years ago
i agree with you for the most part, especially your last statement, but i do believe true Christianity, which is an extention of true Judaism, to be the true religion
thanks for sharing your thoughts
lazbo4174 3 years ago
Satan knew of the coming birth of the true Messiah and created counterfeits before and after to confuse and deceive those of weak faith and little charactor, to worship him in darkness. Christ was a God, one of our Gods-the workman, our creator God and he will only ask us so many times to come to him. We are free moral agents with the right to do our own will and the choice is up to us alone to decide if we were created or happened by chance and there is nothing to the prophecies and our world.
tarheeltim32 4 years ago
Dude, you're too much. You say you think the devil has infiltrated the church..do you know where you get the concept OF the devil? Paganism! Do your research pal ;)
AtheistSeeker 4 years ago
AtheistSeeker... modern Christianity's concept of the Devil is more often than not wrong this is maybe due to the fact that they borrowed the concept from paganism as you have stated. thankyou for your comment
lazbo4174 4 years ago
The Lord Jesus spoke of church-attenders and those who follow Church doctrines.
'HOWBEIT IN VAIN DO THEY WORSHIP ME, TEACHING FOR DOCTRINES THE COMMANDMENTS OF MEN."Mark 7:7
KraljAlek 4 years ago
It is talking about traditions of the church not doctrines you can prove from the Bible.
daro2096 4 years ago
Thanks for sharing this video with me laz,.i look forward to seeing the series!..(*_*)..
my christ continuie to bless you & your family!,.top1 laz!!
basshorse 4 years ago
When I first heard the lie that the Christian faith was based on earlier pagan religions it almost destroyed my faith in Jesus Christ. This was about 4 months before I came to the Advenist church.
It took a dream from God to restore my faith in Him. I was basically told that when the Roman Empire became "Christian" that they gave Christian names to their pagan Gods.
Praise the Lord.
daro2096 4 years ago
have u also been told that an angel wrote the ten commandments and eating certain foods will send u too hell and worshiping on sunday will get u the mark of the beast and using certain shampoo will keep u from getting ur prayers too God and u can only have friends outside sda for conversion reasons only yet? i had a roommate for over 3 yrs that was/is an sda and he let me in on all of this.
djchillman 4 years ago
Hi bingolly1, I missed you.
Jesus Christ who is called an Angel(but he is not a created being) in certain places of the Bible did speak and write the 10 commandments at mount Horeb and everything that is made is made by Jesus Christ. The Bible says those who eat unclean meats and don't repent are headed for hell-fire. Bible says I should have no fellowship with those outside my faith.
daro2096 4 years ago
i am not bing i am my own person. u have really lost it. o wait no u haven't ur an sda u can justify anything as long as it fits ur cult ideas of the dead woman u worship. u show me in the bible where it says if u eat unclean meats ur going too hell. the only thing i have seen is if u not born again u can not enter the kingdom of God (john 3:3,7)
djchillman 4 years ago
Isa 66:17 They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one [tree] in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.
daro2096 4 years ago
Lev 7:21 Moreover the soul that shall touch any unclean [thing, as] the uncleanness of man, or [any] unclean beast, or any abominable unclean [thing], and eat of the flesh of the sacrifice of peace offerings, which [pertain] unto the LORD, even that soul shall be cut off from his people.
daro2096 4 years ago
that is OT laws they were nailed too the cross when Jesus said Telestai. i know because of grace of God i have been saved on mothers day 1982. That was the day i knew when i die i will be going too heaven, because of John 3:3,7. What day were u saved on?
djchillman 4 years ago
Did Jesus die to clean a pig or to clean man?
The clean and unclean laws go back to Noah.
Gen 7:2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that [are] not clean by two, the male and his female. 3 Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth.
daro2096 4 years ago
He died to be the ultimate sacrifice not too be an angel. no angel dies and comes back too life. i know ur taught that one is still being saved even though the bible says too see the kingdom of God u must be born again John 3:3,7
djchillman 4 years ago
You may be currently born again but that doesn't take away your free-will to walk away from Jesus and be lost. Bible says I die daily. We must make an effort everyday to cruicifly the old man and self.
Have you been to heaven yet? Then you are not saved yet but are being saved. Paul goes over this saved but not saved yet concept though his letters in the Bible.
daro2096 4 years ago
Jesus is not an angel, correct. But the Bible does call Him an Angel. Angel means messagener. According to Revelation 1 my pastor is an angel.
Gen 22:15 And the angel of the LORD called unto Abraham out of heaven the second time,
Exd 3:2 And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush [was] not consumed.
From John 1:1-3, 14 this 'angel of the Lord' is Jesus Christ.
daro2096 4 years ago
Cont) The angel of the Lord is also known as the captain of the Lord's host in Josh 5:14-15.
This 'captain' receives and accepts worship from Joshua and the ground he was standing on was holy ground. Only God can make something or someplace holy.
daro2096 4 years ago
I came to Jesus Christ in April 2006 and was baptised into His remnant April 28th 2007.
I am being saved(present tense) and so are you(if indeed you are in Christ?). It is presumptious of us to say we are saved.
And by the way we don't worship Mrs. White. She is just a prophet of God who wrote over 300 books for us. If you don't want to call her a prophet then fine. Just treat as you would any commentator on the Bible. Actually I bet you never read any of her books have you?
daro2096 4 years ago
if she wrote for christians how come there not everywhere? i have read the early writtings the gift of prophecys where she calls sunday worshipers have the mark of the beast and if u eat unclean meats u can't get too heaven. u came too Christ or got saved in ap. 06? anyone can come to Christ anytime. we are not being saved currently we either r saved or not John 3:3,7
djchillman 4 years ago
Because the devil's plan is outlined in these books. Satan must keep Christians in the dark.
She also says that nobody currently has the Mark of the Beast. Nobody has the mark until it is enforced. The Sunday law is a last resort of the devil. He knows that the Sunday law brings about the last plagues and the end of his rule, the end of this age so why do something that will cause his dectruction?
daro2096 4 years ago
(cont) Unless he is forced to because God pours out the latter rain on his people?
Anyone who works on the 7th day Sabbath breaks the commanments of God(unless he is in the service of God or is performing vital services like looking after the sick and helpless) and will receive the Mark of the Beast because they reject God's holy Sabbath and chose the pagan false sabbath of the world which is Sunday.
daro2096 4 years ago
Nobody alive today will be able to say I did not know to God that Sunday was a false sabbath.
Everybody is marked in the last days, you will either have the Seal of God and be saved by grace through faith or the Mark of the Beast and be lost.
daro2096 4 years ago
(cont) That is lost eternally.
daro2096 4 years ago
Have you read the Desire of Ages or The Great Controversy?
daro2096 4 years ago
Rev 21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither [whatsoever] worketh abomination, or [maketh] a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.
Read also Lev 11.
daro2096 4 years ago
AMEN SISTER. I too have come acrossed bingolly1. We should pray for the softening of his heart.. God be with you :)
use2bnauty 4 years ago
I am a he lol but thanks.
daro2096 4 years ago
Rev. 14:12 Describes a people who will keep God's commands and be filled with the faith of Jesus. Amen!
Jesusisit 4 years ago
Jesusisit... Amen! Rev 12:17
lazbo4174 4 years ago
Rev. 12:17 Describes a people called the "ramnant"-those who remain loyal to God, who keep His Commandments in the last days. I want to add 1 more thing. If you love God then obey His Words. It is so beautiful to be 1 with Christ. We serve a awesome God.
1217777777 4 years ago
AYOu're dead on the money brother. Satan has indeed tried to corrupt Christianity. Such as the coptic texts of the 1-3 centuries which were blatant attempts to distort and cause doubt, disrupting faith. Good points.
NephilimFree 4 years ago
fanx bro
lazbo4174 4 years ago
So many nations, ppl, tribes, families and individuals are suffering from the curses of their ancestors and adding curses to this process up till the present day, till the fulness of time, When YHWH decides it has been enough. Rev. 6: 16,17, "And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lam; for the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?" Bless
deborahbetty58 4 years ago
Actually all nations etc. All have fallen from grace; Rom.3:23,24 'For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God (YHWH); being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus/Yahoshua.'
deborahbetty58 4 years ago
The collective memory of humankind as to the days of Creation and the true Creator YHWH, is severly degenerated, as part of the original sin. Truth perverted, twisted, prophecies incorrect interpreted, not to the Glory of the Creator but to enhance the ego of man and women into roles of false gods & goddesses alike. Multiplied over the centuries and generations.
deborahbetty58 4 years ago
fanx for your comments Deb
lazbo4174 4 years ago
hey nice vid. tell me when u do the one with the list of festivals. i'm interested in seeing that.
Metadeth7 4 years ago
i'm gonna deal with the festivals etc one at a time, will deal with Christmas and the things connected to it first of all
lazbo4174 4 years ago