you have to be loyal in order to be a citizen? how undemocratic is that bullshit... the whole point of loyalty, is to be loyal to a just system and if you swear loyalty blindly then you are not loyal, but only a fool part of an abomination of governance.
Please see a video called FREE ARYE PISHMAN by williamwagener.
Then write and ask Orly Levy-Abekasis, who is on the same ticket as Avigdor Lieberman, why she had a perfectly sane man, who is a wounded war veteran, arrested and interned in the Mazra Psychiatric Facility.
@warpedcomedy YES, I AGREE 100% WITH YOU.I AM GOYIM( mother goy, father goy) FROM BRAZIL , BUT I KNOW , YES I KNOW AD I AM HAPPY FOR IT: ISRAEL IS A VERY VERY VERY BLESSED PEOPLE.ISRAEL IS LORD NOT SERVANT, HEAD NOT TAIL.ERETZ ISRAEL BELONGS ONLY TO ISRAELI PEOPLE.GOD"S CHOSEN PEOPLE.
Avigdor Lieberman born Evet Lvovich Liberman is a Soviet-born Israeli politician. He is the founder and leader of the Yisrael Beiteinu party, whose electoral base are the immigrants from the former Soviet Union, Lieberman is typical of the type of person that has invaded Palestine, delusional fantasist, arrogant, bigoted neo-fascist, and corrupt gangster, he represents the true face of Israel.
Lieberman was right. Bishara was accused of giving Hizbullah information on strategic locations in Israel that should be attacked with rockets during the 2006 Lebanon War, in exchange for huge amounts of money. Wiretaps were authorized by the Israeli High Court of Justice. Investigators say that Bishara recommended long-range rocket attacks which would serve Hizbullah cause.
how would you feel if a parliament member in your country, would have stood up within the parliament and say "i hate this country, i think it should be destroyed, i dont think this country have the right to exist."?
you will see that only in israel, and guess what? no one cares, no one cares that parliament members are against the country the represent.
Ahhh, another voice rising from the Israeli choir of genuine fear and manipulated anger.
Well, it was like this in American not so long ago. Yup, African Americans demonstrating against the country, taking up arms, espousing violence and rebellion/sedition- question is this: why shouldn't they have?
Years of political / economic / social prejudices where even the most elementary exercise of their most basic rights was exhausting eventually dissolves even the veneer of loyalty.
@bigollameo there is a difference between pointing out wrong things within the country, and between denying it's existence.
many of the arab parliament members have stated that the believe this country should not exist or to be destroyed. they completely denied everything said within the declaration of independent (which is the closest thing we have to a constitution).
some of them said that their participant in the parliament is "trying to fight zionism from within"
@kidi1232 this guy represents the 20% of the arabs in israel and those that were kicked out back in 1948, and since israel is claiming democracy, this is the least thing it can do for these people, spare us.
terrrists should realize that they have been corrupted by the doctrine of Islam they should fight against this obnoxious doctrine to save world civilization. samrat Akbar rejected Islam after realizing that he had been corrupted by this doctrine
@tomturbo1312: Free Gaza from Hamas. Israel completely withdrew in 2005 and is no longer an occupier according to International Law. I know this because I'm a lawyer and I read the law.
Well your not a very a good lawyer because the conensus is that Gaza is still occupied as Israel controls Gaza's borders and airspace and Palestinians do not have free movement which they would if it was not occupied!
"A new hitler" - i love it when leftists, islamic apologists, and islamic fascists bring up hitler in relation to israel.... shows an utter lack of historical understanding.
You can't still land fuckhead. Muslims "stole" land all over Africa and middle east, killed millions and want to continue doing so this day. Israel should conquer all these facist pricks.
Bad is always Bad no matter it is Jews/Muslim/Christian/[anithing]. Every people (irrispactive of religion) should talk for peach. Only then we can have a better Israel and better Iran and better world.
This is bullshit. There is no similarity between Hitler and Lieberman. Lieberman has no problem with Israeli Arabs that promise to take an oath of loyalty to Israel. On the other hand, Hitler would not find a Jew acceptable, no matter what the Jew did.
In a way Lieberman's loyalty idea is racist because he presumes that Arabs are guilty and have to prove themselves innocent. On the other hand, he sees nothing wrong with right-thinking Arabs continuing to dwell in Israel.
Please people, direct your anger at the real racists. Saudi Arabia, Iran, Syria, Pakistan, Egypt, etc. Where is the anger at the Jews treated as dhimmis. You people are all hypocrites.
Lieberman is simply stating that when Muslim ministers in the Knesset support Hamas, they should be tried for treason as should a member of Congress in the US who supported Al Qaeda. And you call this racist?
This is perfectly sensible. In addition, U.S. members of Congress that supported Iraqi terrorists by advocating a premature withdrawal of U.S. troops from that country should also be tried for treason.
I don't understand all this name calling towards Lieberman. His agenda is to keep Israel a Jewish state just like the arabs want to keep every other nation in the middle east Muslim. I don't hear you crying about how it is a crime to be a Jew in Saudi Arabia. If we accept the premise that Lieberman is some kind of Nazi and his ideas are "crazy" we disregard Israels right to be a Jewish nation as guaranteed by the United Nations.
Israel is supposed to be a democratic state isn't it? I find the state for only one people outdated and there would be a national outcry if a english politican said that he wanted england to remain 80-100 anglo-saxon
mudjinga. yes Israel is a democratic state where muslims can vote. Jews CANNOT EVEN BE CITIZENS in arab countries. Where the hell do you get off talking about Israel when it is surrounded by dictatorships that guarantee virtually no human rights and only allow Islam as a religion. Israel is not England. It is the home of the Jewish people.
yes i am jewish and i agree with you. just listen to his party's latest rhetoric about "steps" in implementing their citizenship program--like every fascist leader they work in increments to slowly naturalize their crimes
So some Jews building on land that they own is inhibiting peace. Then why wasn't there peace in the 30s, when there was no Jewish state and the Arabs were offered 90% of what is now Israel. Guess what. They said no. They said no Jewish state. They said it again in 1948. Again in 1967 and again in 2000. The real problem, which you liberals need to face is the Palestinians want to complete the holocaust and destroy Israel. That's what they say publicly in Arabic.
This isnt about liberals. I am a liberal and might just support Israel more than you.
But otherwise you are correct. They say they want 1967 borders now, but it wont be long before they go after the rest. That's what the right of return is all about. Overpopulate the jews democratically.
It is good that you are a liberal and support Israel. A lot of the leftists I talk to hate Israel and reflectively take the Arab narrative hook line and sinker. But you are right, it is incorrect for me to generalize.
Actually, I am not fully a liberal, but I associate with liberals more than conservatives or moderates.
Unfortunately, the entire reality has been hijacked by this dream-cult that there was some great country called Palestine there. Palestine was the name of a region that was mostly desert and swamp. It was all part of a lie they concocted when they realized the Jews were seriously moving into the area.
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ethics of an entity is understood in its strong state. Israel has been showing it very openly for decades now, and it's amazing how there are still pro-zionist people.
Good grief. Every Arab country in the world has secret police and is essentially a totalitarian society. Hizbullah and Hamas hold rallies where their followers march around, wave flags, and give the Nazi salute. Most Arab leaders are military dictators (e.g. Qaddafi, Asad, Abdullah II, Mubarak, Omar Bashir). Any claim about Israeli fascism is ironic and ridiculous.
What you say is certainly true about Ahmad Tibi, but that's Wasel Taha in the video. Anyway, I agree that people are too quick to apply the label "fascist" to Lieberman.
With the elections getting closer there is a slight chance Lieberman may become Prime Minister. If that happens, all the problems in Israel will be solved. This man is what the country needs to end all wars.
i guess even the most tolerant state would not leave it behind and suffer that.
would not stand that thankless baseness betrael.
2) most of the under ground criminal like Saling and transportation hard drugs,
robbering a privete and commercial places,stealing cars and all other staff, by israels crime statistic coming from those "Rotten neighbor". (i was witness in 2 cases of car stealing by the day)
of course Liberman is talking to an Israeli citizen and member of Knesset
israel is'nt yet palstine or any other country nation! (i have nothing against christians, Buddhism, pagans religions and peoples more then that i got friend from all of theme)
but think of this
1)what if in your contry youth nation citizen will get out by the mass in street and scream out yell in the public "death to all other nation citizen living in your country"
first of all Liberman is talking to an Israeli citizen and member of Ksennet; I don't understand what makes that Arab MP to be your or Liberman's "Rotten neighbor".
secondly, "Hail Libernan"? Really? Do you put your hand up too when you say that?
The the way to deal with scumbags Palestinian Arabs! Transfer to Jordan...your homeland! arabs the one who occupied Isral,.Go home Pals to your Jordan!
Would one of you peaceniks please explain how it is that the misogynist and repressive Islamic culture isn't considered fascist? The guy Lieberman is talking to has been part of a system that's murdered some of your friends.
I'd really like to hear an answer instead of the usual reactionary sloganeering and ad hominems.
2. I don't know enough about Islamic culture to actually reply to that. If it is repressive and so on, that doesn't excuse the fact that the majority of Israelis are voting for this man and it doesn't change the fact that he's a fascist. As an Israeli, I find this man a cause for worry.
1. Good question. Only when those who say "peace" facilitate the murderous groups who want to eliminate Israel as a sovereign Jewish political and cultural entity.
2. This bothers me because I think if you did know more you wouldn't say Lieberman is a fascist. I'm an Israeli too.
3. There are several major orgs who've planned, supported, & carried out murder operations for longer than Israel has been a State, and Tibi is a member of several such orgs.
1. Though I don't agree any use of violence and as such hardly facilitate murderous anything, personally I have major problems with Israel's "Jewishness"- I'm an Atheist (from a Jewish secular family).
2. Lieberman IS a fascist- fascism isn't relative. I know Islam is a chauvinist culture- chauvinism isn't relative either. By the way, Jewdism, is also chauvinist and the Israeli culture is full of chauvinism- I know, I'm a woman.
3. I would like to be able to debate on this, can you send me names of the organizations, so I can research and come back with a fully formed opinion? (that isn't Tibi in the video- it's Wasel Taha)
Also, look, the Arab MKs HAVE and DO meet with members of Hezballah and Hamas, orgs which call for Israel's annihilation. Is it fascistic to say that those who provide support to the nation's enemies should not be given the privileges? Even the US, the UK, France, etc. have laws that punish treason - doesn't make them fascist. I am not saying I am a fan of Lieberman and this particular ad is very disturbing, but lets not jump the gun by calling him a fascist
1. This is problematic because you're asking all of us to conform to your views, which are extremely hostile to Torah observance. Also, your view ignores the fact that Israel was created as a Jewish State, not a secular one, certainly not an atheistic one.
2. You're misusing the term fascist. It's not fascist to want to force those who don't accept the Jewish State to leave it. Where is the Synagogue in Mecca? Jews can't own property in Jordan. And muchmore.
1. Im not asking anyone to conform to my views, Im just asking to be able to ride the bus on Saturday. Im just asking that my ID wont say Jew under nationality. Judaism is not a nationality- its a religion. Im not hostile to the bible- To each his/her own, right? I just dont see why I have to live by it. Jews come in all degrees- from orthodox to secular- Saying that Israel wasnt created as a secular state is news to me- Herzel, Ben Gurion and many others were secular Jews.
2. Fascist movements oppose any ideology or political system that gives direct political power to people as individuals rather than as a collective through the state (liberalism, democracy, individualism); that is deemed detrimental to national identity and unity (class conflict, communism, internationalism, laissez-faire capitalism); that protects and enhances the power of weak people rather than promoting strong people (egalitarianism);
I'm not an Israeli or Jew and I support Lieberman. And I'm not a fascist. This is the deal in a nutshell. Anyone who is not loyal to the state should leave. People who support the state, such as the Druze and loyal Jews, should stay. This isn't racist. The Arab MKs support terrorist groups. They are traitors. They should be expelled.
We're here in the land, but in our minds and hearts we're still in galus.
1. You discern no difference between Islam and Judaism. Would you make the same demands of an Islamic government? How do you think they'd respond?
You're raising very important points that shouldn't be dismissed with reactionary dogma by anyone. They're serious matters. There are solutions that most will accept, but the extreme anti-Torah and the extreme galut-Torah people prevent any genuine thinking and discussion.
"Im just asking that my ID wont say Jew under nationality. Judaism is not a nationality--its a religion"
"Judaism" may be a religion--but to "be a Jew" is to belong to a certain nationality. At any rate, the new teudotz zehut no longer list "Jew" as a nationality. I made aliyah last year, and my ID doesn't say "yehudi" under "le'om".
But the truth is, even in many European countries, it was historically the case that they listed their Jewish populations as a separate national group.
I vehemently object to this ad. But, I think its premature to call him either a fascist or a racist. After all, he has much Druze Arab support and has called for bettering their situation. One of the few israeli politicians to openly object to the lower status of the very loyal and patriotic Druze Arabs. So to say he is racist against Arabs seems unfair.
I have no problem with Israel's "Jewishness" and I'm not a Jew. Things are actually really simple. Jews, both secular and Orthodox have been persecuted throughout history. They need a safe place to live. That is the Jewish state, the state of Israel. If this land were controlled by Muslims, there would be another holocaust. They have made this VERY clear. So it has to remain a Jewish state.
you have to be loyal in order to be a citizen? how undemocratic is that bullshit... the whole point of loyalty, is to be loyal to a just system and if you swear loyalty blindly then you are not loyal, but only a fool part of an abomination of governance.
ODOMAN123 6 months ago
@ODOMAN123 more gibberish from some idiot marxist.
jpeditor 5 months ago
@jpeditor gibberish to brainwashed fags like you.. but truth to those who live freely, and only swear loyalty to governments that don't ask for it..
ODOMAN123 5 months ago
I HAVE TO APOLOGIZE TO THE NEXT PRME MINISTER OF ISRAEL,THAT I DIDN'T VOTE FOR HIM LAST TIME.I AS MANY OTHER ISRAELIS WILL VOTE FOR HIM NEXT TIME.
Tomislavv2 6 months ago
No loyalty No citizenship!!!!!!!!!!!!!
CHAI CHAI CHAI AM ISRAEL CHAI 4 EVER
ejzen11 7 months ago
Please see a video called FREE ARYE PISHMAN by williamwagener.
Then write and ask Orly Levy-Abekasis, who is on the same ticket as Avigdor Lieberman, why she had a perfectly sane man, who is a wounded war veteran, arrested and interned in the Mazra Psychiatric Facility.
SilverRedIndigo 8 months ago
Lieberman is RIGHT! Kahane was even RIGHTER!
warpedcomedy 1 year ago
@warpedcomedy YES, I AGREE 100% WITH YOU.I AM GOYIM( mother goy, father goy) FROM BRAZIL , BUT I KNOW , YES I KNOW AD I AM HAPPY FOR IT: ISRAEL IS A VERY VERY VERY BLESSED PEOPLE.ISRAEL IS LORD NOT SERVANT, HEAD NOT TAIL.ERETZ ISRAEL BELONGS ONLY TO ISRAELI PEOPLE.GOD"S CHOSEN PEOPLE.
AW0987 1 year ago
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Avigdor Lieberman born Evet Lvovich Liberman is a Soviet-born Israeli politician. He is the founder and leader of the Yisrael Beiteinu party, whose electoral base are the immigrants from the former Soviet Union, Lieberman is typical of the type of person that has invaded Palestine, delusional fantasist, arrogant, bigoted neo-fascist, and corrupt gangster, he represents the true face of Israel.
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Jetrothull 1 year ago
that twat got german name "lieberman"... i wants some piece land at the maldies islands please, my bible says it, i just found it in my basement
argonium79 1 year ago
Lieberman was right. Bishara was accused of giving Hizbullah information on strategic locations in Israel that should be attacked with rockets during the 2006 Lebanon War, in exchange for huge amounts of money. Wiretaps were authorized by the Israeli High Court of Justice. Investigators say that Bishara recommended long-range rocket attacks which would serve Hizbullah cause.
valentinerikson 1 year ago
@valentinerikson LIEBERMAN IS AWESOME. Lieberman Emet!
kirby4d 1 year ago
Die Lieberman, die! Kahane will be happy to have u...in hell!!!!
Phantomplayz 1 year ago
@Phantomplayz go eat ur mums dick
Moti2008 1 year ago
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@Moti2008 U too can join Kahane... Do us all a favor and die!!
Phantomplayz 1 year ago
Lieberman stands for truth.
ADR10723 1 year ago
@ADR10723 Ken, emet.
kirby4d 1 year ago
how would you feel if a parliament member in your country, would have stood up within the parliament and say "i hate this country, i think it should be destroyed, i dont think this country have the right to exist."?
you will see that only in israel, and guess what? no one cares, no one cares that parliament members are against the country the represent.
kidi1232 1 year ago 3
@kidi1232
Ahhh, another voice rising from the Israeli choir of genuine fear and manipulated anger.
Well, it was like this in American not so long ago. Yup, African Americans demonstrating against the country, taking up arms, espousing violence and rebellion/sedition- question is this: why shouldn't they have?
Years of political / economic / social prejudices where even the most elementary exercise of their most basic rights was exhausting eventually dissolves even the veneer of loyalty.
bigollameo 1 year ago
@bigollameo there is a difference between pointing out wrong things within the country, and between denying it's existence.
many of the arab parliament members have stated that the believe this country should not exist or to be destroyed. they completely denied everything said within the declaration of independent (which is the closest thing we have to a constitution).
some of them said that their participant in the parliament is "trying to fight zionism from within"
this is abusing democracy.
kidi1232 1 year ago
@kidi1232 this guy represents the 20% of the arabs in israel and those that were kicked out back in 1948, and since israel is claiming democracy, this is the least thing it can do for these people, spare us.
0aiwas0 2 months ago
@0aiwas0
no parliament member anywhere in the world would dare to speak up against the existance of the country he's living in.
except in israel.
kidi1232 2 months ago
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בלי נאמנות אין אזרחות
B'li Ney'manut Ein Azeyrxut
רק ליברמן מבין ערבית
Rak Liberman Mevin Aravit
kirby4d 1 year ago
ליברמן, כל מילה, פנינה!!!
gingerXLL 1 year ago
go back were you come from mother fucker...go back to russia son of bitch
somsom1ful 1 year ago
רק ליברמן מבין ערבית
kirby4d 2 years ago
great person
nizan916 2 years ago
get out of gaza you fuckin jewish shits
MrKaplan01 2 years ago
get out of fairytale land you fuckin brainless shit
Israel is out of Gaza if you have been in a coma for the past 6 years.
kirby4d 2 years ago
HAHAHA! You dope, Israel is not in Gaza. Maybe you should learn a thing or two before writing anything.
boombarass 1 year ago
@boombarass. It is quite clear that Israel controls gaza, They are in charge of everything and everyone that goes in or out of Gaza.
Surely you know this?
Furthermore, IDF entries into gaza take place all the time.
oldjoe5 1 year ago
no arabs in Israel
adik1971 2 years ago
cutt off the nile
abeshaking370 2 years ago
only a terrorist and racist would choose a scarey monster like lieberman. wow what a scarey fag
phudelover 2 years ago
Terrorist? why? lieberman is a great leader
MatanG2 2 years ago
Lieberman is #1 israeli diplomat
abeshaking370 2 years ago
Lieberman for PM!
kirby4d 2 years ago
terrrists should realize that they have been corrupted by the doctrine of Islam they should fight against this obnoxious doctrine to save world civilization. samrat Akbar rejected Islam after realizing that he had been corrupted by this doctrine
nazma2008 2 years ago
The world needs to fight the obnoxious doctrine of Zionism. Islam is OK so is Judaism.
petersz98 2 years ago
@tomturbo1312: Free Gaza from Hamas. Israel completely withdrew in 2005 and is no longer an occupier according to International Law. I know this because I'm a lawyer and I read the law.
uhhd 2 years ago
Well your not a very a good lawyer because the conensus is that Gaza is still occupied as Israel controls Gaza's borders and airspace and Palestinians do not have free movement which they would if it was not occupied!
petersz98 2 years ago
solidarity with the palestinian resistance, FREE GAZA
tomturbo1312 2 years ago
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tomturbo1312 2 years ago
1000% its true...send arabs back to jordan. islam - religion of death
adik1971 2 years ago
Adolf Hitler once said "Die Juden sind unser Unglück" (The Jews are our harm). Liebermann once said about Arabs : "They are a national threat".
Well, not much difference
2a7e2l91x 2 years ago
Yeah...and Hamas says that muslims should kill all the jews. So whats your point?
terumodoc 2 years ago
LIEBERMANN IS IN SOME WAY A NEW HITLER
2a7e2l91x 2 years ago
"A new hitler" - i love it when leftists, islamic apologists, and islamic fascists bring up hitler in relation to israel.... shows an utter lack of historical understanding.
terumodoc 2 years ago
@terumodoc
You Rightwingers will ruin Israel, but call me again, when the Arabs will have re-conquered your stolen country.
2a7e2l91x 2 years ago
You can't still land fuckhead. Muslims "stole" land all over Africa and middle east, killed millions and want to continue doing so this day. Israel should conquer all these facist pricks.
theasdf09 2 years ago
So, Should I join Hamas as I a Muslim?
Bad is always Bad no matter it is Jews/Muslim/Christian/[anithing]. Every people (irrispactive of religion) should talk for peach. Only then we can have a better Israel and better Iran and better world.
ushnooo 2 years ago 4
I agree with you. I support peace as well.
Too bad most of the Arab countries don't feel this way.
modelfan1979 2 years ago
This is bullshit. There is no similarity between Hitler and Lieberman. Lieberman has no problem with Israeli Arabs that promise to take an oath of loyalty to Israel. On the other hand, Hitler would not find a Jew acceptable, no matter what the Jew did.
In a way Lieberman's loyalty idea is racist because he presumes that Arabs are guilty and have to prove themselves innocent. On the other hand, he sees nothing wrong with right-thinking Arabs continuing to dwell in Israel.
mikelowry5 2 years ago
So, according to your argument, anyone who faces a national threat is a nazi, right?
stupid asshole
predador21 2 years ago
Read again! Pretty the same
2a7e2l91x 2 years ago
Racist?
2a7e2l91x 2 years ago
Please people, direct your anger at the real racists. Saudi Arabia, Iran, Syria, Pakistan, Egypt, etc. Where is the anger at the Jews treated as dhimmis. You people are all hypocrites.
uhhd 2 years ago 2
Lieberman is simply stating that when Muslim ministers in the Knesset support Hamas, they should be tried for treason as should a member of Congress in the US who supported Al Qaeda. And you call this racist?
uhhd 2 years ago
This is perfectly sensible. In addition, U.S. members of Congress that supported Iraqi terrorists by advocating a premature withdrawal of U.S. troops from that country should also be tried for treason.
mikelowry5 2 years ago
I don't understand all this name calling towards Lieberman. His agenda is to keep Israel a Jewish state just like the arabs want to keep every other nation in the middle east Muslim. I don't hear you crying about how it is a crime to be a Jew in Saudi Arabia. If we accept the premise that Lieberman is some kind of Nazi and his ideas are "crazy" we disregard Israels right to be a Jewish nation as guaranteed by the United Nations.
uhhd 2 years ago
And hitler wanted to keep Germany a "German" state....we see how that worked out....
prepschoolkid 2 years ago
Israel is supposed to be a democratic state isn't it? I find the state for only one people outdated and there would be a national outcry if a english politican said that he wanted england to remain 80-100 anglo-saxon
mudjinga 2 years ago
prepschoolkid. you're an idiot.
mudjinga. yes Israel is a democratic state where muslims can vote. Jews CANNOT EVEN BE CITIZENS in arab countries. Where the hell do you get off talking about Israel when it is surrounded by dictatorships that guarantee virtually no human rights and only allow Islam as a religion. Israel is not England. It is the home of the Jewish people.
uhhd 2 years ago
Lieberman just needs to end his rants yelling "sieg heil!"
Fellini115 2 years ago
yes i am jewish and i agree with you. just listen to his party's latest rhetoric about "steps" in implementing their citizenship program--like every fascist leader they work in increments to slowly naturalize their crimes
shtetlcholoycd 2 years ago
thank you for speaking with common sense. This is not about being Jewish, Arab etc. It's about madmen trying to impose their own systems of control.
AndrewMann552 2 years ago
We have been waiting for peace since 1948.
Sorry, but enough is enough.
Sincerely,
The Israelis, Jews/ Zionists of Israel
sixersman12 2 years ago
Why build settlements, you can't have both settlements and peace.
Zavrion 2 years ago
This is silly.
So some Jews building on land that they own is inhibiting peace. Then why wasn't there peace in the 30s, when there was no Jewish state and the Arabs were offered 90% of what is now Israel. Guess what. They said no. They said no Jewish state. They said it again in 1948. Again in 1967 and again in 2000. The real problem, which you liberals need to face is the Palestinians want to complete the holocaust and destroy Israel. That's what they say publicly in Arabic.
modelfan1979 2 years ago
This isnt about liberals. I am a liberal and might just support Israel more than you.
But otherwise you are correct. They say they want 1967 borders now, but it wont be long before they go after the rest. That's what the right of return is all about. Overpopulate the jews democratically.
kirby4d 2 years ago
It is good that you are a liberal and support Israel. A lot of the leftists I talk to hate Israel and reflectively take the Arab narrative hook line and sinker. But you are right, it is incorrect for me to generalize.
modelfan1979 2 years ago
Actually, I am not fully a liberal, but I associate with liberals more than conservatives or moderates.
Unfortunately, the entire reality has been hijacked by this dream-cult that there was some great country called Palestine there. Palestine was the name of a region that was mostly desert and swamp. It was all part of a lie they concocted when they realized the Jews were seriously moving into the area.
And if you tell a lie often enough...
kirby4d 2 years ago
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ethics of an entity is understood in its strong state. Israel has been showing it very openly for decades now, and it's amazing how there are still pro-zionist people.
zionism is actually one notch higher than nazism.
artistanbul 3 years ago
Good grief. Every Arab country in the world has secret police and is essentially a totalitarian society. Hizbullah and Hamas hold rallies where their followers march around, wave flags, and give the Nazi salute. Most Arab leaders are military dictators (e.g. Qaddafi, Asad, Abdullah II, Mubarak, Omar Bashir). Any claim about Israeli fascism is ironic and ridiculous.
RenShiWu 3 years ago
UR SO RIGHT.i love how they are so hypocritical.
i cud name 10 things but i wont waste my time
sixersman12 2 years ago
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Hitler Was Right ... this is the jews REAL face .... this is the evil jews behavior when they be strong.
oTubee 3 years ago
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leo853, you don't mean Hail Lieberman, you mean "Heil Lieberman.
truthtoliars 3 years ago
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I agree with leo853 who says:
"ill have to underline of course not all of theme are barbarian animals but 95% of theme for sure!!"
because indeed in opinion polls in that "state for Jews" only 95% of them say they support the genocide of Palestinians.
Yes, 95% of the Israeli Jews are barbarians and in fact worse than animals.
truthtoliars 3 years ago
What you say is certainly true about Ahmad Tibi, but that's Wasel Taha in the video. Anyway, I agree that people are too quick to apply the label "fascist" to Lieberman.
ajamrani 3 years ago
yes, they do it after seeing a minute of him on youtube. They should watch at least two to confirm the fact he's one.
Tr1ploid 3 years ago
With the elections getting closer there is a slight chance Lieberman may become Prime Minister. If that happens, all the problems in Israel will be solved. This man is what the country needs to end all wars.
NoamTube 3 years ago
ill have to underline of course not all of theme are barbarian animals
but 95% of theme for sure!!
so yes i put my right proud hand on my
chest when i say "Hail Libernan".
i hope i answered you question fairly and clear enough for you to understand not only mine but most of our citizen position!
leo853 3 years ago
rapeing young girls (i know at-list about 8 case only in my town and belive me it's alot).
action of extreme violence in the streats
without no morals no ethics no culture just like barbarian animals!!!!
thats not enoght?
i can tell you alot more?
leo853 3 years ago
i guess even the most tolerant state would not leave it behind and suffer that.
would not stand that thankless baseness betrael.
2) most of the under ground criminal like Saling and transportation hard drugs,
robbering a privete and commercial places,stealing cars and all other staff, by israels crime statistic coming from those "Rotten neighbor". (i was witness in 2 cases of car stealing by the day)
iligal transportation of Prostitutes.
sailing iligal wepons.
leo853 3 years ago
hi dear vovanbotan!
of course Liberman is talking to an Israeli citizen and member of Knesset
israel is'nt yet palstine or any other country nation! (i have nothing against christians, Buddhism, pagans religions and peoples more then that i got friend from all of theme)
but think of this
1)what if in your contry youth nation citizen will get out by the mass in street and scream out yell in the public "death to all other nation citizen living in your country"
leo853 3 years ago
hail Liberman!!! the only one who got the guts to say what he think about the real face our Rotten neighbours.
leo853 3 years ago
leo,
first of all Liberman is talking to an Israeli citizen and member of Ksennet; I don't understand what makes that Arab MP to be your or Liberman's "Rotten neighbor".
secondly, "Hail Libernan"? Really? Do you put your hand up too when you say that?
vovanbotan 3 years ago
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Hail, the new Joseph Goebbels has spoken! Already buy some zyklon B ?
VlaanderenKanBeter 3 years ago
The the way to deal with scumbags Palestinian Arabs! Transfer to Jordan...your homeland! arabs the one who occupied Isral,.Go home Pals to your Jordan!
miri53 3 years ago
Would one of you peaceniks please explain how it is that the misogynist and repressive Islamic culture isn't considered fascist? The guy Lieberman is talking to has been part of a system that's murdered some of your friends.
I'd really like to hear an answer instead of the usual reactionary sloganeering and ad hominems.
Prometheo1 3 years ago
1. Since when is Peacenik a four-letter word?
2. I don't know enough about Islamic culture to actually reply to that. If it is repressive and so on, that doesn't excuse the fact that the majority of Israelis are voting for this man and it doesn't change the fact that he's a fascist. As an Israeli, I find this man a cause for worry.
3. What system are you referring to?
Tali999 3 years ago
Thanks for an intelligent response.
1. Good question. Only when those who say "peace" facilitate the murderous groups who want to eliminate Israel as a sovereign Jewish political and cultural entity.
2. This bothers me because I think if you did know more you wouldn't say Lieberman is a fascist. I'm an Israeli too.
3. There are several major orgs who've planned, supported, & carried out murder operations for longer than Israel has been a State, and Tibi is a member of several such orgs.
Prometheo1 3 years ago
I had no doubt you're an Israeli. :)
1. Though I don't agree any use of violence and as such hardly facilitate murderous anything, personally I have major problems with Israel's "Jewishness"- I'm an Atheist (from a Jewish secular family).
2. Lieberman IS a fascist- fascism isn't relative. I know Islam is a chauvinist culture- chauvinism isn't relative either. By the way, Jewdism, is also chauvinist and the Israeli culture is full of chauvinism- I know, I'm a woman.
Tali999 3 years ago
3. I would like to be able to debate on this, can you send me names of the organizations, so I can research and come back with a fully formed opinion? (that isn't Tibi in the video- it's Wasel Taha)
Tali999 3 years ago
I've tried to post something here but it keeps disappearing.
Prometheo1 3 years ago
Also, look, the Arab MKs HAVE and DO meet with members of Hezballah and Hamas, orgs which call for Israel's annihilation. Is it fascistic to say that those who provide support to the nation's enemies should not be given the privileges? Even the US, the UK, France, etc. have laws that punish treason - doesn't make them fascist. I am not saying I am a fan of Lieberman and this particular ad is very disturbing, but lets not jump the gun by calling him a fascist
B21983 3 years ago
1. This is problematic because you're asking all of us to conform to your views, which are extremely hostile to Torah observance. Also, your view ignores the fact that Israel was created as a Jewish State, not a secular one, certainly not an atheistic one.
2. You're misusing the term fascist. It's not fascist to want to force those who don't accept the Jewish State to leave it. Where is the Synagogue in Mecca? Jews can't own property in Jordan. And muchmore.
Prometheo1 3 years ago
2. If more Feminists really understood what's going on in the Torah observant world, they'd convert in large numbers.
Equating Jewish chauvinism with Islamic misogynist chauvinism is a specious argument that a person of your intelligence ought to challenge.
The arsim culture is chauvinistic and abusive to women, but I don't see any organized action against them.
The real issue here is Torah. You have an extreme dislike of it, and this seems to have made you sympathetic to the Muslims..
Prometheo1 3 years ago
1. Im not asking anyone to conform to my views, Im just asking to be able to ride the bus on Saturday. Im just asking that my ID wont say Jew under nationality. Judaism is not a nationality- its a religion. Im not hostile to the bible- To each his/her own, right? I just dont see why I have to live by it. Jews come in all degrees- from orthodox to secular- Saying that Israel wasnt created as a secular state is news to me- Herzel, Ben Gurion and many others were secular Jews.
Tali999 3 years ago
2. Fascist movements oppose any ideology or political system that gives direct political power to people as individuals rather than as a collective through the state (liberalism, democracy, individualism); that is deemed detrimental to national identity and unity (class conflict, communism, internationalism, laissez-faire capitalism); that protects and enhances the power of weak people rather than promoting strong people (egalitarianism);
Tali999 3 years ago
I'm not an Israeli or Jew and I support Lieberman. And I'm not a fascist. This is the deal in a nutshell. Anyone who is not loyal to the state should leave. People who support the state, such as the Druze and loyal Jews, should stay. This isn't racist. The Arab MKs support terrorist groups. They are traitors. They should be expelled.
modelfan1979 2 years ago
We're here in the land, but in our minds and hearts we're still in galus.
1. You discern no difference between Islam and Judaism. Would you make the same demands of an Islamic government? How do you think they'd respond?
You're raising very important points that shouldn't be dismissed with reactionary dogma by anyone. They're serious matters. There are solutions that most will accept, but the extreme anti-Torah and the extreme galut-Torah people prevent any genuine thinking and discussion.
Prometheo1 3 years ago
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autocrat100 2 years ago
"Im just asking that my ID wont say Jew under nationality. Judaism is not a nationality--its a religion"
"Judaism" may be a religion--but to "be a Jew" is to belong to a certain nationality. At any rate, the new teudotz zehut no longer list "Jew" as a nationality. I made aliyah last year, and my ID doesn't say "yehudi" under "le'om".
But the truth is, even in many European countries, it was historically the case that they listed their Jewish populations as a separate national group.
ShmorgelBorgel 2 years ago
I vehemently object to this ad. But, I think its premature to call him either a fascist or a racist. After all, he has much Druze Arab support and has called for bettering their situation. One of the few israeli politicians to openly object to the lower status of the very loyal and patriotic Druze Arabs. So to say he is racist against Arabs seems unfair.
B21983 3 years ago 2
I have no problem with Israel's "Jewishness" and I'm not a Jew. Things are actually really simple. Jews, both secular and Orthodox have been persecuted throughout history. They need a safe place to live. That is the Jewish state, the state of Israel. If this land were controlled by Muslims, there would be another holocaust. They have made this VERY clear. So it has to remain a Jewish state.
modelfan1979 2 years ago
"personally I have major problems with Israel's "Jewishness"- I'm an Atheist (from a Jewish secular family)."
Nu, so were Ben Gurion and most of the early leaders of Israel total atheists--yet they never had any problems with Israel's Jewishness.
Lieberman is a demagogue, absolutely--but he's not a fascist. There is a difference.
ShmorgelBorgel 2 years ago
Thanks for posting this!
The problem is - too many people are likely to be seduced by his fascist rhetoric...
TravellerWithin 3 years ago
They already have, Traveller. The polls indicate he's got 15 (out of 120) seats in parliament.
Tali999 3 years ago